Vijay Deverakonda: So welcome everyone! Full spiritual vibe I am getting, all Youth and
Truth and all people sitting with great postures. This is like the film-making bunch, all the
people are sitting hunched (Sadhguru Laughs). This is all the Sadhguru bunch, all looking bright. So, I am here today in - Conversation with Sadhguru and the topic for today, or the area we are covering is Youth and Truth
and we’ll try to stick to stuff that’s relevant to us. A lot of questions come from me personally, things that trouble me and things that I wanted to
ask someone and I thought it’s a good opportunity. And we’ve picked a bunch of questions from
the people as well, from the general youth as well. So, I’ll start, Sadhguru.
Sadhguru: Mhmm (Indicating agreement). Vijay Deverakonda: First of all welcome to Hyderabad.
Sadhguru: Thank you (Laughs). Vijay Deverakonda: You must have come several
times before, I am not sure (Sadhguru Laughs) but… Sadhguru: I came here many times
even before you were born (Laughter). Vijay Deverakonda: Oh yeah! He was already telling me he’s been
doing this since thirty-seven years. But I already know he likes Hyderabad because
he was appreciating the Hyderabad traffic police, he was like “These guys are good.” So first thing Sadhguru, I think I feel like I am… I probably am a polar opposite of you because
I am extremely flawed and extremely confused. I think I might have a multiple
personality issue happening. I hate giving advice. Sadhguru gives a lot of it… Sadhguru: Really?
No, no. I never give advice to anybody,
nor I’ve taken advice from anybody. Vijay Deverakonda: Oh, you’ve never taken as well? Sadhguru: No (Laughs) because I’ve
never took advice, I never give advice. Vijay Deverakonda: Oh! Okay,
Oh okay, so there I have gone wrong. And I think a lot of issues like I blame human
nature in general for a lot of our misgivings and I have like lots of doubts, questions, fears. and usually, like you… you are drawn to
some sort of people, you build a relation, you trust them and usually these are the people
you go to with your fears, with your doubts, these are the people you share your problems with. This is the first time I am sitting with
a completely strange man, a guru, and opening up (Sadhguru Laughs)...
opening up to these fears and questions. So, first thing Sadhguru is I would like
to get to know you a little bit better. So my first couple of questions
are about you. Can I proceed? Vijay Deverakonda: My first question is,
I watched a… I am not as aware as you guys
but I do watch some of his videos, and I am always surprised by how do you
have an answer to everything like (Laughter), and most of it makes sense. My first feeling was… Sadhguru: Hey! What do you mean most of it, hmm (Laughter)? Vijay Deverakonda: As in like I asked you about happiness and you sold me Inner Engineering program (Sadhguru Laughs). So other than that, like most like… and I
feel like common sense is very uncommon, that’s already very uncommon and I... I always wonder how do you
have an answer to everything, like? Sadhguru: I… See it’s like asking, “How come you see the tree? How come you see the people? How come you can see the camera? How come you can see ant and bird?” No, I just got eyes! Vijay Deverakonda: But I can see these things
but I don’t have an answer to everything. Sadhguru: No, no, this is… suppose a person
who doesn’t have eyes asked this question, “You can see a tree also? You can see a bird also? You can see an elephant also!?” No, I don’t see all those things, I just
have eyes and it sees everything. Vijay Deverakonda: Okay. So I basically need to open my eyes Sadhguru: Yes, to bring that clarity. If you have clarity, whatever
you see, you see it the way it is. If you don’t have clarity, you muddle it
up in your mind with all kinds of things. Essentially this is happening…
this is an evolutionary issue (Laughs) - in the sense, see this… this development
of the cerebra..., of this cerebral activity, of this ability to process information and
thought the way we are doing it right now, is a new happening in the
evolutionary scheme of things. So you have a brain for which you
don’t have a stable enough body. So, the brain is not functioning for you,
it functioning against you most of the time. What you call as fears, anxieties, troubles,
you romanticized all those things in the movies (Laughs) but essentially it’s
your brain working against you. I think very tragically, one Telangana or Hyderabad television anchor recently committed suicide about four or five months ago. Jumped off fifth floor or so, and then
she left a note, “My brain is my enemy.” Well, it took millions of years
to get this brain to this state and now it becomes your enemy, simply because
you don’t create a stable enough platform. This is all human beings have to do. If you create a stable enough platform,
then your intelligence will work for you rather than working against you. When it works against you, you call it stress,
you call it anxiety, you call it fears, you call it confusion, you call it
madness but essentially it’s just that, your intelligence has turned against you. Please don’t romanticize this because
your intelligence must work for you, (Laughs) if your intelligence turns against you,
there is no force in the universe that can help you ever! Vijay Deverakonda: So you are saying if we create
a stable enough body to handle this brain, we will… Sadhguru: I said a stable platform. Body is included. Vijay Deverakonda: And how do
we create this stable platform? Sadhguru: That’s why I gave you the
Inner Engineering program (Laughter). Vijay Deverakonda: How many...
how many days is this program? Sadhguru: Oh this can be just weekend. Vijay Deverakonda: A weekend? Sadhguru: Yes.
What we need is 32 hours of focused time. We can format it over the seven
days evenings or one strong weekend, but essentially we need
thirty-two hours of focused time. Vijay Deverakonda: So my next question was,
do you have some sort of super power because this sort of clarity you have and how you
can analyze everything and give a reply. I find it hard to see… like very rarely
you see a person be able to do this. Now you have explained that it’s a
stable platform that makes you do it but… so there is a saying that, “Give a man
a fish and you will feed him for a day, teach him fishing and you will feed him for life”. So I wanted to ask you, tell me how to develop this
platform so that I don’t need to ask you answers, I will go and give people answers (Sadhguru Laughs).
But... Sadhguru: You will see this all the time around me. When people come initially,
they come with thousand questions. As they settle down into practices,
they are there for ten, fifteen years, they have not asked a single question, this doesn’t
mean all questions got answered, questions dissolved! Vijay Deverakonda: So do you think if I do
this engineering program I’ll have clarity like you and be able to respond to… Sadhguru: If you do Inner Engineering program.
Vijay Deverakonda: Yeah. If I… did I just call it “engineering”
(Sadhguru Laughs)? If I do that, I will be able to sit and
give answers to people like this? Sadhguru: You should also stop acting,
and be real (Laughter). I am real, hmm? Vijay Deverakonda: Okay. But can you make it clear to
me because I really want to… Sadhguru: Doing this (Gestures)
also can grow. (Laughter) And you don’t have to do anything,
if you don’t meddle with it, it will grow. Vijay Deverakonda: Okay. My next question is, like I am the person I am
because of various things that happened in my life the decisions I have made, how I faced like… events happen in your life and how you react
to them is how I have become the person I am. I am wondering what happened to you in
your life to make you the person you are today? What is it that happened in your life
that made you take this path even? Or, why you are sitting there and I am sitting here?
Maybe if those incidents… Sadhguru: Oh! I think we have the
same kind of chair just to make sure. Vijay Deverakonda: Why you are giving the
answers and I am asking the questions? Sadhguru: Because you have questions (Laughter). Vijay Deverakonda: Why do you have the answer… I am asking what is it that happened in
your life that turned your life this way? Sadhguru: It’s just that I asked all the
questions that you are thinking of right now and a million fold more questions much earlier
than you, and invested my life into those questions. Did not ask those questions casually. Did not go and ask somebody else what about this,
what about that? Questions bothered me and I knew… I realized just listening to the chattered around you,
none of them have a clue about anything. So, I invested my life into the questions. Vijay Deverakonda: And you found your own answers. Sadhguru: I did not find answers
(Laughs) my head became empty, even now it’s totally empty and clear. So, if you go and stand in front of
a clear mirror, whoever comes, hmm? Whether Konda comes or mountain comes,
it will show. So does it mean to say the mirror knows the
konda, and the mountain, and the elephant, and the man, and the woman
who stand in front of the mirror? No! It’s just clear (Laughs). Vijay Deverakonda: So right now you are just
empty and that’s what gives you this clarity, hmm? Sadhguru: See when you say “empty”
- see it’s like this, you have a much smaller beard
but you are trying to pull it. Vijay Deverakonda: No, it’s just a habit.
Sadhguru: When is the shooting? Vijay Deverakonda: Huh... Sadhguru: You need it little longer,
is that the reason why you are pulling it? Vijay Deverakonda: No, it’s just a habit but I would (Sadhguru Laughs) love it to grow to that level. Sadhguru: No, why I am saying this is, our hands,
or our body can start doing something compulsively. If it becomes very compulsive,
then people will say it’s an ailment. Otherwise people will say it’s their personality. So personality is a mild ailment,
when it gets very strong, people will say, “Oh, he’s gone crazy!” Yes? So, when the same happens with your mind,
people think it’s natural, it’s not natural. Mind has become compulsive. Compulsive thoughts,
compulsive emotions are happening. People say, “This is my personality.
This is way… This is how I am!” This is not how you are, you have
become like this accidentally. As you said, various situations and
push and pull of life does this to people. So this is a choice that a human being has,
that you either become an accidental person, or a conscious person. The significance of being human is
that we can be a conscious life. Why we are in some way better than other
creatures is not because we are more competent. No, a monkey is far more competent in catching
a ball, throwing a ball, whatever, you name it. In terms of strength we are not
comparable to other creatures. Only reason is we can live consciously. We can do everything that they do, we do the
same things but we can do it consciously. So if you cannot conduct the process of
your mind, emotion, and body consciously, then it becomes accidental or compulsive. That is not the way a human being
should go especially you being an actor, if you don’t have a personality of your own,
whatever person you have to play at that moment, you could be a total that person
– rather than becoming a personality yourself. Because personality means a mask essentially. In the Greek drama, the word
“persona” meant a handheld mask. Those were days there are only three actors,
but there are ten characters in the drama. So these three guys will take on different
masks, hold it and do those dialogues, this is how the drama was done. So when this mask gets stuck to your face and
you can't remove it, that’s called a personality. So why do you need a personality? To do different kinds of activity,
you need different kinds of personality. People who have been around me for long enough,
they have this trouble of seeing me. I have warned them, “See I am going
to change my persona now, watch out! I am going to change everything about me. Don’t think I have lost it and don’t fall off, hang on!” Well, some people have the wisdom to hang on.
Some people will lose it, and they’ll fall off. Though I warned them six months
before I changed my personality (Laughs). Completely changing everything about me,
the way I even I think and feel, what food I like, also I change (Laughs). Because this is what a human being means. Vijay Deverakonda: But you do that consciously? Sadhguru: Consciously! Vijay Deverakonda: For… To what objective like why? Just for change or… Sadhguru: No, to fulfill different purposes. Vijay Deverakonda: Okay, okay.
Like some spiritual stuff. Sadhguru: No (Laughs)!
Life purposes. When I was in the mode of consecration of Dhyanalinga,
people saw me like a fireball, always intense. Spoke very little. Rarely smiled. (Laughs) Now they can't believe that. So once that was over, then I told them,
“See we’ve lived on the peaks for too long, time to get down to the valleys and
do something more easy and simple.” So then I get into the activity in the world,
so I change my clothing, I changed the way I eat, I changed the way I look,
I changed the way I smile and talk, everything because now you are reaching out to the world, at that time it was a different goal altogether. Now it’s a different thing. So accordingly, you do that. Vijay Deverakonda: From this conscious...
conscious living and compulsive behavior, what would you like to tell us like what are…
what is better for us? Because we are all just reacting to…
everyday I’m faced with different situations, and I am just reacting to them,
I’m doing whatever is in my best interest, and that is shaping the person I’ve become
and I am making these decisions consciously. Maybe this I am doing compulsively, but this I don’t
care about, it doesn’t affect my life in anyway. But… Sadhguru: No, no, I was just joking (Laughs). Vijay Deverakonda: Yeah, so but rest we are all
making conscious… mostly conscious decisions. Sadhguru: See, as you said,
you are reacting to situations. When you say reaction, it means it’s compulsive. There is a difference between reacting to
something, and responding to something, isn't it? Vijay Deverakonda: Okay, maybe wrong vocabulary. Responding (Laughs). Sadhguru: No, no, no, there is reaction. You may think through what is your
well-being but still it's a reaction, isn't it? Vijay Deverakonda: No, we are
also responding to something. Sadhguru: You are also… I mean it’s... Nobody is
hundred percent this or that, let’s not misunderstand, somebody is all up there and somebody
is all down here, there’s no such thing. Every human being rises and goes down,
up and down are happening. But the fundamental thing is, in a day from
the moment you got up today till this moment, hardly quarter of the day is gone, how much of your
thought, emotion, physical activity has been conscious? Including your breath and
heartbeat and everything else? Vijay Deverakonda: Oh if I have to sit and be… but
this is supposed to be involuntary, no? Breath and stuff. Sadhguru: It is involuntary,
but are you conscious is the question? Vijay Deverakonda: Are you conscious
of your breath now, every breath? Sadhguru: See, as… you can inquire, anybody can inquire, people who are around me, travelling with me, have they ever seen me doing any exercise? Vijay Deverakonda: Do you know in the car while we were driving, you would do this with your mustache… Sadhguru: No, yes that is because today it is all
little flurred up and before I come to the camera, even now I am doing it. In Tamil Nadu some tele… Vijay Deverakonda: (Laughs) So this is
also conscious, it’s not like me doing…? Sadhguru: No, in Tamil Nadu some
television channels are using... because this is always a problem,
because I’ve never cut these things. So I have to do this before I go in front of the camera and now one Tamil Nadu channel uses a
promotional where I am doing like this (Gestures). Okay (Laughter)? And they’ve made it… projected it in a completely different way, I am like challenging the people like this. I am not challenging anybody, I am
straightening out my mustache (Laughs). Because if I do this or this (Gestures),
it can make my very face look like this. So, instead of cutting, I am spending little
time on doing this, not separate time, when I am driving tch, no time wasted (Laughter). Vijay Deverakonda: Yeah. Yeah. So now I’ll move on to the first question… Sadhguru: From beard to? Vijay Deverakonda: From beard to
(Sadhguru Laughs)… It’s actually quite a smooth transition
but I think this is the… this is the most important question
that’s bothering the youth today and it’s not only our nation but across the world, everyone’s wondering how to stop hair fall (Laughter)? Like I don’t know, is there… do you have
some solution to this Sadhguru? I think a lot of us would sleep better (Sadhguru laughs). Like see so many of them… Sadhguru: People tell me this hair care products, or... the amount of money spent on hair care products on the planet, is much bigger than what’s spent on education! Vijay Deverakonda: Whoa! (Sadhguru Laughs) See how much
we are concerned about our hair. Sadhguru: See, I think you must learn from
this tree, see how it’s growing it’s hair. Vijay Deverakonda: It’s lucky that it’s growing (Sadhguru
Laughs), but this (Gestures) is falling (Both Laugh). Sadhguru: I think my effort is to shift their
focus from their hair, to their head (Laughs). Vijay Deverakonda: Okay. So we still don’t have a solution for
hair fall, right now it’s about the head. Sadhguru: Well if you keep the head cool,
the hair may not fall. Vijay Deverakonda: May..., may not. Sadhguru: Willl generally not. Vijay Deverakonda: Okay.
Why did you have hair fall (Few laugh)? Sadhguru: Oh because my hair… because for years, for
almost eight years or so, I wore badly designed helmets. Vijay Deverakonda: Oh! You are a biker, hmm?
Okay. Sadhguru: Literally eighteen-twenty hours,
I was in a helmet, and helmets were not well designed, they were sitting here on the top, they should be
holding here (Gestures) but they were sitting on the top. And, I have never cared about my hair.
Vijay Deverakonda: It doesn’t bother you? Sadhguru: There’s no hair care, if it’s
gone, life becomes so much simpler. You don’t even have to carry a comb with you (Laughter). Right now I don’t have a mirror with me but I don’t even need a comb, if I… the hair goes off, no problem at all. Sometimes I am searching for a rubber band. So, all those problems will go away, I have no issue. Vijay Deverakonda: So if you have hair fall, relax! Sadhguru: As long as you got a head, working head. As long as you have a working head,
why are you concerned about the hair? Vijay Deverakonda: I am an actor so I am concerned,
mostly people for… Sadhguru: See if you lose your hair, you can
wear whatever kind of wig you want (Laughter). Vijay Deverakonda: Ah, no... So our first… So I’ve divided this question session into
certain categories so that it’s simpler. Vijay Deverakonda: So the first category I’ve kind of
called it “life”, just random miscellaneous questions. So Sadhguru, one thing I have thought about
is, I don’t know much of life that was… that’s past… that was there before I was born, I don’t know of a future after me, I know of the life I have. So I wondered if the purpose of life is to just live
and to live it fully according to my whim and fancy because this is one thing I know I have with me. So, my question is, is the purpose…was I right in
thinking that the purpose in life is just to live it fully? Sadhguru: One hundred percent! Live it fully! But living it fully does not mean party every evening. Living it fully means before you fall dead,
you must explore all dimensions of life. Nothing that’s possible for a human
being should go un-experienced. If you are talking about living fully
in that sense, you are on the dot! But later on you added, “according to
my whim and fancy”, that’s a problem. Because your whims are not yours, they are social fads. Either you are doing what everybody is doing,
or in reaction, you are doing what nobody is doing. That’s not the way to go towards a full life. But exploring life to its fullest depth and dimension is
the really only purpose of life. Otherwise what else? Vijay Deverakonda: But what is
this depth and dimension? What are these dimensions that
we are supposed to explore? Sadhguru: Well, is it true that you have a body?
Vijay Deverakonda: Yes. Sadhguru: Hair or hairless, but body (Laughter).
Vijay Deverakonda: It’s there. Sadhguru: So body is something that you slowly
accumulated over a period of time, isn't it? You are not born like this. So you have a thought process,
the content or the data for this thought process, also you’ve accumulated over a period of time,
as you say many things that happened to me, decisions I’ve made, what I did and did not do… Emotions also accumulated. What you accumulate can be yours,
cannot be you, isn't it? Vijay Deverakonda: Okay but… Okay. Sadhguru: This… This samosa, is it you? Vijay Deverakonda: It’s not. Sadhguru: If you eat it. Vijay Deverakonda: I might extract
some nutrients from it if there are any. Sadhguru: No, it becomes you, isn't it?
This body is just this. Vijay Deverakonda: Yeah till it’s… Sadhguru: Just the food you’ve eaten, isn't it?
Vijay Deverakonda: Okay. Sadhguru: So this is not you but it becomes you
– it’s not true, it’s still not you. Most people don’t get the point till you bury them. When you bury them,
they understand the body was not me. So what you call as my body, what you call as
my mind is something that you’ve accumulated. It’s like, my car is parked there, if you’re a… if it’s a new car, you think it’s you because if somebody
makes a scratch on it, your heart will break (Laughs). So, inanimate things are becoming you, this
means you are giving up human life totally. When something inanimate becomes you, obviously this
phenomenal life and the exuberance of that life is lost. So the moment you get identified with something that
you have eaten, the moment you become a samosa, if you eat lot of them, you’ll become
a triangle like that (Laughs). Yes! Some people don’t know when to stop the samosa
eating, they will become like a triangle (Laughs). So, if you think… if you get identified with
the samosa, “this is me”, is it a tragedy or no? Or do you call it as exuberant life? Vijay Deverakonda: No, it is a tragedy. Sadhguru: It is a tragedy. So if you get identified with the body,
it’s a kind of tragedy. If you get identified with the heap of information
you have in your mind, that’s another kind of tragedy. You are not exploring life, you are just trapped
in the physiological and psychological circuit. Instruments that were given for you, for your
use and life have become bigger than life. Vijay Deverakonda: But… So now you are saying this body is not me,
this thought process is… Sadhguru: I am not saying.
You tell me. Are you samosa? Vijay Deverakonda: No wait (Few laugh)! So you spoke about people realize it when
they are buried that this body is not me. So that means, are you saying that
we exist after the body is buried? Sadhguru: No, no, no.
Vijay Deverakonda: Then how are they thinking… Sadhguru: Is it true the soil that you see
here, is what became the food that you eat? Vijay Deverakonda: Yeah.
From it the plant took nutrients and… yeah. Sadhguru: Yes, the soil became food. Food became flesh and bone. If you get this point right now,
you will live a different kind of life. But most people get it only when you bury them. Till then they don’t get it. Vijay Deverakonda: I think I am in that
category after buried, I will get the point. Sadhguru: No, no, that’s why… that is why we stepped out and trying to reach the
young people because we want them to get it now. If they get it now, they can live a phenomenal
life because life is such a great phenomena. It’s a same life… See, when it comes to body,
that’s your body, this is my body. This’s my mind, that’s your mind.
Vijay Deverakonda: Correct... correct Sadhguru. Sadhguru: But when it comes to life,
there is no such thing as my life and your life. There is just life. The tree is also life,
the bird is also life, you are also life. The very cosmos is a living cosmos. You just captured some amount of life. That is what life is supposed to be. Life does not… see today when people say my life, you are supposed to understand they’re talking about their career, they’ are talking about their relationships, they’re talking about their car, they’re talking
about their home, they’re talking about their dog. They're talking about something else
– the accessories of life. These are all accessories of life,
including your body and your mind. The life is the most precious and the
most phenomenal thing happening here, but that is not in your not even in your experience,
what are you talking about living life completely. Vijay Deverakonda: Yeah because this body
and mind is a thing we know, we can see, we can experience and feel reaction to this life. You’ are talking about I don’t know what it is even.
Even none of us know… Sadhguru: See that is like saying, “I can’t see
the air I breathe, so I will live without the air.”, that’s what we did, that’s why all the cities are so badly
polluted because we thought we cannot see the air – it doesn’t concern me. When you suffocate it concerns you, right? Vijay: So I can feel it when I am
suffocating or take a deep breath… Sadhguru: This also.
You will also feel it when life is exiting. Vijay: When it’s exiting you feel it...
Sadhguru: Yeah, you feel it. I am saying isn’t it time that you feel it when it’s here? Vijay: Yeah I want to. Sadhguru: When it is housed, you must experience it. When it is exiting you realized, what is the point of that? Vijay: For this if I do the Inner Engineering… Sadhguru: So this is the reason why
I have stepped out for this “Youth and Truth” because most people think spiritual process
is at the last moment of their life (Laughs). When they are dying, they must know something. I am saying when you are living, when you have
just started your life, when life is ahead of you, you must know this. Vijay: We want to… I want to. I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely
want to and I am going to try and dig deeper so that I can get to other questions. Sadhguru: See what does engineering means, - what one person thinks magic is
actually another person’s engineering isn’t it? Vijay: Yeah. I agree.
Sadhguru: Yes or no? Yeah, yeah. I don’t understand how a car functions,
or how a bulb comes on, for me it’s magic. Sadhguru: Hey, don’t admit all this,
your fans are watching (Laughter). Vijay: No, I’ am... I’m quite
open about my ignorance levels. Sadhguru: So, it’s engineering
– but suppose a hundred years ago, I brought a phone and made you talk to somebody in another part of the world, you think I am doing magic, isn’t it? So engineering is like that, if you’re finely engineered
you look magical, other people thinks you... you are magical but you know you are well-engineered. Vijay: Do you think I look magical (Laughter)? Do you think Sadhguru looks magical
Participants: Yes (Sadhguru Laughs). Vijay: I am not finely engineered then (Laughter).
Oh shhh… One thing that always bothered me Sadhguru was
why do human beings find it so hard to live and let live. Like, I think it’ is such a simple concept that I will
mind my business, I will be happy, you do your thing. Like countries are messing with each other,
religions are messing with each other, castes are messing with each other, people,
inside families people mess with each other. I’m just like why can’t everyone mind their own business, and be happy and do their thing? So why is that…? Sadhguru: See, that’s a very simplistic desire,
if you look at the way we are structuring our lives, it’s designed for conflict. Vijay: Okay. Sadhguru: Right now, our idea of being happy.... Happiness means what?
You must have this, this, this and this (Gestures). So whatever that this, this, this
and this, it is always in limited quantity. Now... right now as we sit here,
between the tree and us, there is conflict. The tree wants to put its roots down into the earth but because of people have been walking here
as much as she tries, she doesn’t get to touch. See there close to the stem, it touched
but she wants all this because she knows, her survival and her prosperity depends
on how many roots will find the soil. But we are sitting here drinking tea,
we think we are very happy, but we are encroaching because
this is the nature of physical world. Because physical world or the physical itself
has happened because of a defined boundary. Now, through the physical world you are trying to
achieve something which is not physical in nature. Your happiness was never physical, your joy
was never physical, your love was never physical It’s something that you experienced. Certain pleasantness of life within
you which you gave names to it. But now you’re trying to achieve the non-physical
through physical means and now as you expand, you will find it doesn’t matter if you remove all the
trees on the planet, still you are not happy (Laughs). Not even healthy after some time, forget about happy. So, this is always happening. Once we relate our experience of
life to what we have and don’t have, now conflict is inevitable because
what you can have is always limited, physical is always going to be limited
because it’s a world of boundaries. Without boundaries there is not physicality, isn’t it? Without a defined boundary, there is no physicality. Now you are a tch, Devarkonda,
- well your ancestors settled for a small kingdom, but if you give them little power,
they would like to occupy the next kingdom. In the history books we will write… You know I come from the Vijaynagar (Laughs) empire. In the history books if you read, what
glorious victories our Krishnadevaraya had - we are all very proud of it. But victories are never glorious
– that’s what the history books say. Victory is shameful, brings a whole
lot of death, injury, widows, orphans. This is how victory is achieved always in a war, isn’t it? Because those who won write the history,
they will describe it as glorious. But those who lost… Usually those who lost, lost more people,
more wealth, more misery – everything. So when we are looking at it this way
that our happiness is in having more, then conflict between individuals, conflict between
communities, conflict between nations is inevitable. So this is why spiritual process has become important. This is why… Why do you think I am coming and meeting all
this... all of you film stars and business leaders, all kinds of influencers is because we want
to make spiritual process the main stream. Spiritual process does not mean looking up,
looking down. Your experience of life should
transcend the limitations of physical. Something beyond physical, if it’s your living experience, you will see and you will do your physical to
the extent it’s necessary, not to a point of conflict. Vijay Deverakonda: So you are saying
because of limited resources and… Sadhguru: No, no, no, because of limited experience. See right now your entire experience is
rooted in body and mind. Physicality, isn’t it? But physicality wants to expand, limitlessly. If you want to expand limitlessly, see just ask
anybody, right now they have a little property. They want to make little bigger property. Vijay Deverakonda: But this is more for
security than just constant expansion – for most of us. Like I… I can make a bunch of money with what I’m doing, but I know that I just want like
maybe two houses and one car. Sadhguru: Why does one man need two houses
(Few Laugh)? Vijay Deverakonda: For my parents.
Sadhguru: That’s okay. You can have ten also, that’s not my concern. Vijay Deverakonda: So I am saying
I am not constantly expanding. Sadhguru: No, no, you will expand. See your expansion may not be in property. See if you know money,
you will think only unlimited money. If you know property,
you’ll think unlimited property. If you know knowledge, unlimited knowledge. If you know fame you will look at unlimited fame. So whatever your currency may be, but you
can’t stop human beings from expanding. So how much expansion does one want,
if I make you instead of Deverakonda, I’ll make you the king of this planet. Will you be fulfilled? Vijay Deverakonda: No. Sadhguru: Because you’ll look at the other planets. You’ll look at the other galaxies. Vijay Deverakonda: As in first I’ll say,
I don’t want to be king of the planet. Sadhguru: No, I am not planning to make you
(Laughter). Suppose we make you the king of the planet,
immediately you’ll look up what about the moon, what about the sun, what about the galaxy? This is the nature of human being
because human being wants to expand - nothing wrong with it. It is just that wrong means is being employed, - in the sense, you want to expand limitlessly, but you are choosing the dimension
of boundaries to expand limitlessly. Vijay Deverakonda: Oh, okay. So you are saying… Sadhguru: What you are seeking is boundlessness. But you are seeking it through boundaries of physicality. So unless your experience of life goes beyond
your physical self, this is how it’ll always be. Conflict is inevitable. Vijay Deverakonda: But then this is
something most of us will never end up… Sadhguru: That is why we are saying
why this effort right now to touch the youth, to touch the world is to bring what is called as - in Tamil Nadu we said “oru sottu aangmikam,” - One drop spirituality. Spirituality does not mean you have to take Sanyas and walk on the street or do something else, sit in a temple, this is not what it is. Within you, your experience is
little more than body and mind. Something beyond that has
become a living experience for you. If this one thing happens,
you will naturally function consciously. This compulsive need to expand will go away. Because once you touch a non-physical dimension,
then you are boundless. Once there is an experience of boundlessness
you understand physicality has to be managed. In this world, we have to make space
for the tree, the ant, the bird, the elephant and the other people also,
not as a philosophy, but as a living experience. Vijay Deverakonda: This is all coming from
some sort of greed and expansion. Sadhguru: I wouldn’t use the word greed. This is longing to expand limitlessly which is
essentially a spiritual desire finding physical expression – wrong means. It’s like you are driving your car,
but you want to go to the moon. If you try very hard, you will be
in Husain Sagar (Few Laugh). Vijay Deverakonda: Maybe we
are doing it unconsciously. Sadhguru: Totally unconsciously. Vijay Deverakonda: This need
to expand is very unconscious. Sadhguru: See the need to expand is wonderful,
otherwise human beings wouldn’t progress. But it’s being conducted unconsciously, and we have misunderstood this longing
to expand limitlessly as a physical need, because right now our experience
is limited to physical self. Vijay Deverakonda: So, this is one question in the
segment that comes from a boy called Bapu Chetanya. So Bapu wanted me to ask you,
is being patriotic or is patriotism good? Sadhguru: See, a nation is an artificial
situation we have created in the world. What is the ideal? Well it will be fantastic if it was a
global village or nation as we call it. But will the globe happen without management? Vijay Deverakonda: So for management we… Sadhguru: No, no we anyway have to have a leader. Now should we have an Indian leader,
African leader, American leader? Question will come, and fight will start. That’s how nations have happened. Who should manage which part of the world (Laughs)? Because we could never agree that
who should manage the whole world. So we made it into small parts. Well, over two hundred parts. Well we could strive to make four or five nations in
the world instead of two hundred nations at some point. Now European Union is there. Similarly we can make an American Union, a
Asian union and make just three or four nations. It looks like a good possibility, but there is
also a prospect that if they get heavily armed, if two continents go to war with each
other, it’ll..., there will be no small wars. There will always be only world wars. So in some ways, the way it’s broken it’s
okay because it’s broken on cultural lines, linguistic lines, so many things, religion,
this, that, in so many ways it’s broken. It’s best to preserve that. Sadhguru: Now is patriotism a good thing? Patriotism means an emotion
towards your nationality or your nation. See, do you believe that you can build a
family without investing your emotion? Vijay Deverakonda: As in, build a family
maybe not, have a family, yes (Laughter). Sadhguru: Well, I was not talking
about an arrangement (Laughs). I am saying can you really get the best out of
the people around you whom you call as family, if you do not invest your emotion? Vijay Deverakonda: We can’t, we can’t.
Sadhguru: No. So when you can’t build a nation of four
people, family is a nation of four people. If you can’t build a nation of four people, how are you supposed to build a nation of hundred-and-twenty-five crore people without investing emotion in it? Is this emotion ultimate? No, but it is an immediate need. And a nation is the largest amount of humanity,
volume of humanity that you can handle right now. Hundred-and-twenty-five crore or
1.25 billion people is a world by itself. So do you need emotion? Yes. This emotion must be graduated as a
nation grows into different levels of evolution. Right now, we have a nation where over four
hundred million people have not eaten properly yet. Even today there is a report in the newspapers
saying that the World Health Organization says, the most underdeveloped
children on the planet are in India. We are not dying anymore, but we are undeveloped.
Skeletal system is not growing fully. From first day, they have not eaten properly. The necessary nutrients are not there
to develop a full scale human being. So we are creating underdeveloped
humanity which is not a small crime. It’s a crime. This crime is on all of us, all right? This crime is on all of us that
our children are all stunted. We have the maximum number of stunted
human beings on the planet right now. When it’s like this, this is not a time for debate
whether we should invest our emotion or not. Still after seventy years,
daily we have issues on our borders. Daily soldiers are dying, all right? If only, if you tell all the soldiers who are standing - because I have been engaged with the armed forces, with the BSF, with Indian army, coast guard and all of them,
ITBP all these people. If you only tell them... - I have been to Siachen, I have met
the Siachen warriors on the yoga day. If you look at the hardship they
are going through on a daily basis, not fighting the enemy, just the natural elements. At twenty-two thousand feet camping out there
continuously being there twelve months of the year. If you just tell them this nation doesn’t mean anything
to them, at least they can go back to their families. When a man stands there on the border willingly,
to sacrifice his own life, willing to widow his wife, willing to orphan his own children, is it a small thing? Have we even understood what we are talking about? So if you tell them we are not interested in the country,
they can also go home and do their own thing. So, these are different levels of evolution in a country. Right now sovereignty of the
nation is constantly under threat. And millions of people, nearly half a
billion people are not even fed properly – in this state we need lot of patriotism. You know, every one of us should
be “bharat mata ki jai” right now. Let us say in another twenty-five years, all these people
are fed, everybody is comfortable and well to do, everybody is getting the education
and the nutrition and stuff, then you must downscale your patriotism a little bit. Let’s say tomorrow it all becomes… Asia, Europe everything becomes very friendly,
it’s all business and no war. We will lower our militaries and everything, nuclear arms
are down, then you can further lower your patriotism. Down, down. Someday if such a situation comes,
we can live here without even thinking I am Indian, will be a wonderful day but that’s far away. Right now, you need it. You need it in full force because the
sovereignty of the nation is in trouble, and half the people have not even eaten properly,
what are you talking about? Vijay Deverakonda: So his follow up question was ''because I am born in this country and
because it’s giving me security and support, if it’s okay to be patriotic and if it’s… if I can be proud of being patriotic,
why can’t I be proud of the caste I am born in, of the religion I am born in, of the race, color of
skin I am born in, if they are also giving me support. If they are being a smaller support system.'' like a caste is a smaller size of our
country itself or a religion is also… he is born into this caste, he is born into this race. So he is like when they are also providing me
this support and stuff, why can’t I proudly… why can’t I be proud into the caste… because nation
is like geography, divided on geographical lines, this is divided on caste lines. Sadhguru: See all these things that you mentioned – of nationality, caste, religion,
language, ethnicity, color of my skin… all these are… a human being is
a composite of all these things. You cannot exclude any one of them. Right now the mode in the country is such - you know there is an English saying called “Throwing a baby with the bath water”. You know how this term came? This term came because at that time, in a cold country
like England, the families had bath only once a year. Vijay Deverakonda: Okay. Sadhguru: How is that for you?
Vijay Deverakonda: (Laughs). Sadhguru: Not in India, okay! (Laughs) Even ten thousand years ago,
we were still having bath every day. But English had bath only once a year. Because the cold country,
from October onwards, it’s cold, cold, cold. Only end of May, June, mid-June.
So at that time, they have a family bath. So big bath tub. First the man of the house will take the dip. If that guy goes in and comes out,
it’s already turned dark (Laughs). Not because he lost his skin color,
because you know one year of muck. Then all the men in the house go. Then the women go. Then the babies, children and babies go. So it happened sometimes,
that there are so many children and everything, they put them in this big tub which is murky,
you can’t see anything. When they want to throw the water out,
some babies got thrown out (Laughs). This entire thing of carrying a bride, carrying a bouquet
came from this culture because the bride smells so bad. She has to have a flower bouquet,
otherwise you can’t go near her. This is all (Laughs) this is the fragrance
of the flower made her attractive. Otherwise she is quite… because she is gone
into the tub after all these men (Laughs). So we are throwing the baby with the bathwater. In this culture, the caste and creed was created
as a transference of knowledge and skills because we understood in those days
that whatever skills a father has, he is naturally prejudiced in favor of his children. So he will teach it in a best
possible way to his own children. So the family trades and
culture always went like this. This is the only reason why those who
want their children to be really educated, send them to gurukulas away from the family, where there is one man who is
risen above his identities of blood, and he is going to teach the best to their children. But the rest of the skills, simple skills of carpentry or blacksmithry
or whatever else is needed on a daily basis, this was transferred only through the family. So they maintained this close thing. A blacksmith’s family means they eat in a
certain way as it’s necessary for their type of work. They will marry only a blacksmith’s girl
because she knows how to make the fire, this, that. If you marry a carpenter’s girl,
she won’t know how to do this. So it is from this they did. Out of this, a phenomenally
kaleidoscopic culture we created. It’s so fantastic from one community to
another, they are living side by side, in the... you know in the neighborhood
for probably hundred years. Two-three generations have lived. But the way they cook, this home
and this home is distinctly different. If I go to any house, if I just smell the seasoning,
I just tell them what caste you belong to. Just if I smell the seasoning
I know what caste you belong to. Vijay Deverakonda: Do you think we still cook
it as… if they are married in the same caste… Sadhguru: If they are married in the same thing, and
traditionally women who are trained in that are there. But today, most women are going to school and college.
They never spent enough time in the kitchen, so everybody smells like pizza or (Laughs) whatever. That’s a different thing. But it is so distinctly different. You should not destroy this. The only thing we need to take away is discrimination. Unfortunately, our differences became terrible
discrimination that we started treating people badly. This profession is low, that profession is high. If you are doing this, we will treat you badly. This discrimination we need to take. But right now we are trying to level out the
whole culture which is not going to work, and if it works it will be a very poor nation. We will become like other nations
where everybody eats only burger. Okay (Laughs)? Here also, people are beginning to eat only burger. I have nothing against anything, but the thing about a human being is to
do things in an aesthetically correct way. I don’t see how it is very civilized or correct
to take food which is about seven inches tall, and open your mouth seven inches and eat it. That is a way of a crocodile (Laughter). That’s not the human way. We have been taught to eat in a certain way, because a
human being wants to do everything in a beautiful way. Dog also eats, cat also eats,
but we want to eat with style. We not only want to nourish ourselves, we also
want to make it into an aesthetic process in our life. If those things are taken away from our life,
what is the point in the name of leveling out the society? Well if you take… if you make everybody into monkeys,
we will all become same, of course (Laughs). You just have to genetically push back everybody
to be a monkey. We’ll all be one kind of monkeys. That is not the intent. It is perfectly fine to be proud of your culture,
to be proud of whatever you belong to, but if you have the sense to appreciate how other
people are different, you also appreciate the difference. They are different and you
must appreciate the difference. World is colorful, India is as colorful as
it is only because all of us are so different. Every fifty kilometers you drive, people are different. They speak differently, look different,
dress different, eat different, everything different. So it’s fantastic! We must keep this color in the country. This is our… this color has not come just like that. 10,000 years of maturity to get this color. We should not destroy this colorful
nation by believing in some kind of a silly… you know, leveling out business. But at the same time, it i’s very, very important
that we remove the discriminatory aspect of it and we learn to appreciate all
the differences that others have. Vijay: My next topic is on love.
This is an age where we all are… Sadhguru: Oh! (Laughter)
Vijay: Yeah. Where we all fall in love and we all love
to love and we all love being loved. So, my first question is, “All you need is love” is a
popular saying and I’ve been told by people that like, “Money is not the most important thing,
love is more important. If we have love, we can be together, we can be good.” but I come from a school, where I’m like dhanam moolam idham jagath (Referring
to Sanskrit phrase – Money is the source of this world) I’m like what, what will I and you love, and if we
don’t have money, what will we even do (Laughter)? So, my question is, is having a life full of love
and not much money better (Sadhguru laughs)? or is like going for ambition and working on
our careers, making lots of money and security, but then maybe you don’t find the right
person, but you settle or whatever. So, what is the trade- off? Because it is a trade-off, we don’t have
time to do both things. Like most of us don’t. Hmm. So… Sadhguru: I was told some things
were going on in the WhatsApp and stuff that in Hyderabad after the demonetization,
women are beginning to marry for love (Few laugh). Vijay: Women are making so much money, Sadhguru.
(Both laugh) Sadhguru: So, I would like your definition
of what is it that you are calling as love? Vijay: First of all, that’s another question (Laughter). Like, my personal feeling… like I don’t know. I’ve felt love but I don’t know how to define this word. I think this is a word that’s… that greeting
card companies came up with to market stuff. And one more issue I had with love is,
because is it so intangible, when I say, “I love you,” you say, “I love you,”
we could mean something completely… Sadhguru: I didn’t say that (Laughs).
Vijay: Hypothetically. Hypothetically, like if... when someone says “I love you”,
I think maybe she means that I will give a kidney, I will give my life for you if you are in trouble,
and maybe I’m, when I say, “I love you,” I’m like… Sadhguru: No, no, she only said, “I will
give my heart, never the kidney” (Laughter). Vijay: No. But to that extent, that “I will do…
my life is yours”. When someone says “I love you”, they could mean that and I could reciprocate with “I love
you” to the same person but maybe my meaning is that, “I really like spending time with you and you are
the only person and whenever I want to go out, I want to spend time with you and but I will not
give a kidney or give my life for you” (Laughter). So, the thing is we just say “I love you”,
but because it is not tangible, you never know what is the exact… this thing of it. So, that is one more, that’s one vague
conversation which will go on forever. And I have so many questions for you
and I think we are running out of time, so… Sadhguru: No, this kidney love, I like (Laughter).
Vijay: Oh, you like, but tell me what is better? This is an answer I need like can we survive with love
and not… not enough money or is money important, and then we can also find love, like whenever we can,
if we do (Sadhguru laughs)? Sadhguru: See (Laughs), we went
through this in some way in the beginning. Vijay: Okay. Sadhguru: What you call as “myself” right
now is a body, a certain amount of thought, thought and ideas and whatever and… Vijay: We will stick to this dimension.
If you go to another dimension I’ll lose you there always. Sadhguru: No, no, we will not go...
And there is a bunch of emotions. And there is life energy. Without that energy, all this wouldn’t be functioning. So, these are four dimensions (Vijay laughs). What you are referring to as love is
a certain sweetness of emotion. The question is not about who triggered it for you. It is just that because of somebody or something, you started experiencing a certain sweetness of
emotion which became so valuable at that time, you promised a kidney (Few laugh) at that moment - because that sweetness meant so much that, actually
in Hindi they say something what gurdha, what is that? What is that, hmm? Something, “I will give away my kidney” or...
Vijay: Gurdha to you (Both laugh)… Sadhguru: That same thing
is said in a more powerful way. So, at that moment, I am willing to pull my kidney out
and give it to you, but not the hair (Vijay laughs). That is clear, okay (Laughs)? So, essentially it's sweetness of emotion. What’s sweetness means is
– see if the body becomes sweet, we call this health. You feel healthy because there is a certain
sweetness in the body, pleasantness. Sweetness is pleasantness, isn’t it? You call something sweet because you say,
“Oh, she’s so sweet” because she’s pleasant for you. In your experience she is pleasant, so
she is pleasant… so you say she is sweet. So, if your body becomes pleasant, we call this health. If it becomes very pleasant, we call this pleasure. If your mind becomes pleasant, we call this peace. You are feeling pleasant, so you say I am peaceful. It became very pleasant, you call this joy. Your emotions become pleasant, you call this love. It became very pleasant, now you call it compassion. If it is somewhat pleasant only for one person,
we call this passion. It became very pleasant, we call it compassion. Now, you feel like that – absolute sweetness towards the tree
and the air you breathe and the people, you don’t even know who they are,
it doesn’t matter, you have pleasantness – so we say compassion. If your very life energies become pleasant,
we call this bliss. If it becomes very pleasant we call it ecstasy. If your surroundings become pleasant,
we call this success. So right now, what you are doing is, you are pitting sweetness of emotion
versus sweetness of the surroundings. To create sweetness of the surroundings,
we need the cooperation of many forces, hmm? Situations have to cooperate, people have to cooperate,
many things have to fall into place, otherwise success doesn’t happen. Pleasantness of surroundings will not happen
unless there is a skill to it, there is a talent to it, there’s a certain amount of management to it,
there are many things. But the sweetness of the body, the sweetness
of the mind, the sweetness of the emotion, and the sweetness of your energy must be
one hundred percent your making, isn’t it? Vijay: Hmm. Sadhguru: Yes or no?
Vijay: Hmm. Sadhguru: The sweetness of the surroundings,
everybody has a stake, all of them will play a role in this, but the other four dimensions,
the sweetness should be managed by you. So, if you are in charge of that, then you would keep
this (Referring to oneself) always profusely sweet. Your mind, your emotion, your body,
everything, you would keep in that way. Then all this struggles wouldn’t even be relevant to you. This is one dimension. Money is a means to facilitate external situations. Love is a means to create internal pleasantness. How can you use a bathroom spray to
make global warming go, can you? Vijay: I can’t! Sadhguru: It doesn’t work like that, I’m saying.
Vijay: Yeah, it doesn’t. But I’m saying is, this sweetness of inside or sweetness of
surroundings both require time to build that sweetness. Sadhguru: No, no, no, no, no.
Vijay: Like if I have to be successful… Sadhguru: Sweetness of outside needs time,
energy, effort, resource. Vijay: Like a relationship needs nurturing,
you need to spend time on it. Sadhguru: See, that is a different thing,
this is what I’m trying to distinguish. See, love is what happens within you,
this is the sweetness of your heart. Relationship is a… sometimes it's hard work. Vijay: Oh, when I’m talking about love, I am not
talking spiritual… this is all relationship only, everything. Sadhguru: No, no, I’m not talking anything spiritual. There is nothing spiritual, this is emotion.
Vijay: Okay. Sadhguru: See, right now, you’re smiling. Is it spiritual? Or just a regular smile, hmm (Laughs)? Vijay: Spiritual dimension, I don’t understand. Sadhguru: That is what, you don’t have to understand
that because you don’t even have to name it that. All I’m saying is, if your body is feeling
pleasant, you feel healthy and nice. If your mind is feeling pleasant,
you feel peaceful and joyful. If your emotion is feeling pleasant,
you feel loving and compassionate. So, why do you want to call it spiritual,
non-spiritual, nonsense? There’s no such thing. So right now, you sit here, you have very sweet
emotion, not towards anything or anybody, you’re just sitting here
– sweet emotions, has it happened to you? Nobody need to be there, just like that,
if there is something, you share it. If there is nothing, you can sit
here with a very sweet emotion. Now, relationship is hard work. That is external success. You have to build it, you have to manage it,
there are many aspects to it. Well the other person may be looking at
your external situations too, all right? They are not just looking at the sweetness of your heart. They are also looking at what you are wearing,
what you’re driving, how you are, who you are, everything they are looking at it. So, a relationship involves those dimensions. You cannot say it is completely free of that. Well, when the gurdha thing happens,
maybe little bit they will cross that. But it doesn’t mean it's completely free of that,
no, it’s always involved - physical things are involved, isn’t it? Vijay: Huh. This sweetness… what did
you call love? Sweetness of the heart. Sadhguru: Hmm. Sweetness of your emotion. Vijay: Sweetness of my emotion,
if it happens for two, three people then… (Laugh) Sadhguru: It cannot happen with two-three
people, it can only happen within you. Vijay: Hmm, in a… okay. Sadhguru: It only happens within you. Vijay: If it is happening within me (Laughs)… Sadhguru: No, no, three people
are stimulating it (Both laugh). Three people may be stimulating it. I’m asking you, “Do you want to be a
push-start machine or a self-start machine?” Vijay: Self-start. Sadhguru: Self-start means your
sweetness must be turned on by you. If you want to share it, you can share it. If you don’t want to share it, you don’t share it,
but you must be sweet for your own self, not for some… See, love is not about somebody. It's the pleasantness of your existence, isn’t it? Is it not important? Forget about other people, relationship stuff,
but is it not important if you sit here, you are pleasant by your own nature? Somebody need not come and poke
you and crank you to be pleasant. Right now, what you are talking about is
– three people have to crank me to make me pleasant – a very poor machine (Laughs). You remember the old Ambassadors?
Vijay: Yeah. Sadhguru: Always, they’re parked down slope
because morning you have to push. Now, all the cars are self-start - improvement, technological improvement or no? I’m just asking you to upgrade your technology so
that you’re self-start, if you wake up in the morning, you’re full of joy and love. If somebody comes, we will share. If nobody comes, we’re just fine. Vijay: One more question related to this
in a very utilitarian, very basic, in human level, our minds and heads… No, you are also a human being. (Laughter)
Sadhguru: Don’t you call me inhuman. (Both laughing) Vijay: So, once when I was in my intermediate and this
is where your hormones are going through the roof, and this is mostly where you
are attracted to the opposite sex or the same sex depending on your choice. Once my dad sat me down and he told me,
“Vijay, if you buy a bottle of water, you can drink it, you can close the cap, you can keep it half full, you can know that when I reach that place,
I still have a half a bottle of water. You can drink it to the last sip. You can refill if you want, it's always with you. But if you fall in love with a girl, she is not
an object, she’s a person and unlike an object, she has her own feelings, her own emotions, and she
can develop likes and dislikes that might not suit you. She might make decisions that you
might not think are in your best interest because she has her own life
and she has her own choices.” So it was like, what he was trying to do was
he was telling me focus on your career now because that will always… if you
work towards it, it will always pay back. And for love, once you’re settled and stuff,
you can spend time on it. Right now, it's about career. If I was a girl, he would tell
me the same thing about a boy. So, it again comes back to this question
about on a very real level that we have, so many of us have to make these
choices where do we pursue ambition with all our intensity and time and energy, or do we… when you find the right person, do you try and… It's hard to find this balance though, because it's very
competitive these days and you have to give it all to… survival’s much, you need to work harder to beat…
beat the competition and survive. Don’t go on the competition trip,
(Sadhguru laughs) I’ll come to it. So, like nurturing a relationship versus nurturing
ambition, like this was something he said, so I wanted to know your thoughts on that. Was he off the mark, was he off the point, was he…? Sadhguru: No, in his own way
what he is trying to tell you is, there is a time to build yourself
and there is a time to live. If you try to live too early,
then life may not stay with you. You may end up in a place that you,
you yourself will not like after some time. So, essentially he is saying first
build your life, then you try to live. But if you try to live too early, it (Laughs)
won’t last and you won’t have a big life, you’ll have a very small life. Vijay: And one more thing is,
we all love, we all love being loved. I’m talking again on a relationship level, that’s all I know. Sadhguru: No, no, let’s settle this (Vijay laughs). When you experience love,
it happened within you or here (Gestures)? I know you… in the movies you’re see...
showing all those heart marks flowing this way, and that way in Instagram and all that. But when you felt it,
it happened within you or outside of you? Vijay: It happened within me
but as a response to something. Sadhguru: It's in stimulation. That’s why I said do you want to be a
self-start machine or a push-start machine; somebody has to come and stimulate,
only then you will feel sweet. Vijay: So, you are saying without any stimulation, I can sit here and just feel full
of love and feel happy and stuff. Sadhguru: If you are self-start.
Vijay: Whoa! That must be a cool place to be at, like...
Sadhguru: See, this is cool (Laughter). Vijay: That must be a cool place to be at. We have to try and get there some day, like. Sadhguru: That’s why Inner Engineering. Vijay: But first I have to pay rents (Laughter). Sadhguru: No, paying rent
will not even be a concern. Vijay: When…
Sadhguru: Yes. Vijay: Because you could just
be under a tree and full of love… Sadhguru: No, that’s not the point,
it's not being under… Being under a tree is fantastic,
but it's not about that. See, right now, small things are being made
big because most people don’t need a enemy, they’re doing fine by themselves. They are self-defeating all the time. Their own thoughts, their own emotions
trouble them more than the world, isn’t it? Why are your thoughts and emotions
working against you (Laughs)? Should they be working for you or against you? Which way is it?
Vijay: For me but, yeah. Sadhguru: If they are working for you,
you think earning a living, paying a stupid rent and eating what
you want is a big problem? (Laughs) Earthworm and grasshopper is earning its living. With this big brain, you can’t earn a living?
What are you talking about? Because such a big brain is working
against you, that is the only problem. The only problem human beings have is they got a
big brain, and the damn thing is working against them. If it is working for them, making a living,
surviving in the world is not even a issue. Vijay: That’s why I feel like all problems are… Sadhguru: Self-created. Vijay: …our nature, like they didn’t structure us properly.
(Laughter) They should have done it… Sadhguru: No, no (Laughs). See...
Vijay: Now we have to sit and go to engineering? (Sadhguru Laughs) See, what is a possibility… If there is a possibility, if you do not explore
the possibility, it becomes your problem. That’s all that’s happened to most people. Human being is a possibility. You are not fixed like other creatures. All other creatures, nature has fixed,
what they can be and cannot be. With a human being, - see we did not say a tiger being, an elephant being, we only said you, human being. That means you know how to be. If you know how to be, will keep your body, mind,
emotion, energy in the highest level of pleasantness? Yes or no? Will you be blissed out or miserable
I’m asking if you know how to be? Vijay: I would like to be blissful. Sadhguru: Yes, so should we call
you human being or human animal? You are a human being because you are the only
one on this planet who has the capacity to be. That means you know how to be. If you know how to be,
you will definitely be blissed out. If you are blissed out, what is the problem paying rent,
earning a living, managing relationship, is it a problem? Everything you will do effortlessly. Now, you are not fulfilling the basic aspect
of being human being. You are not being. You’re trying to do everything else (Laughs). Vijay: Do you think I’m capable of Inner
Engineering, from your time with me? I can’t sit five..., I can’t meditate five minutes. I feel like I’m wasting time (Sadhguru Laughs). I feel like it’s the most unproductive thing type,
I’m very restless. Sadhguru: No, that is because
you done all the wrong things. Vijay: I didn’t even try it properly but… Sadhguru: What I’m saying is, when it comes to
doing things with the body, what one person can do, another person cannot do. When it comes to the mind, what one
person can do, another person cannot do. But when it comes to the inner dimension
of the life, all of us are equally competent. Nobody is better equipped than anybody else. I’m not better equipped than you. It's the same thing. Only thing is I paid attention to that dimension,
you did not. If you are willing to pay attention,
it is as much possible for you as for anybody. Vijay: Thirty two hours focus… Sadhguru: Thirty-two hours
of focused time to start with. Vijay: Huh. So my next question is,
Shakespeare once said… Sadhguru: You missed out focused time. Vijay: (Overlapping conversation) Yeah I will… Hmm... Sadhguru: No, we’ll give you…
we’ll give you focus, don’t worry. Vijay: With a whip.
Sadhguru: No, no, we have other ways (Laughter). You think I have such crude technology? This is very hi-tech. This is very hi-tech. No whips, no torture. We have other ways of doing. Vijay: Like… I would love it if you just like
touch something and it’ll happen (Laughter). Like without sitting like, if you just touch me
like this and Inner Engineering happens. Sadhguru: That in case I act you… act with…
in a movie with you, I’ll do that (Laughter). Boom (Gestures). And you can act (Laughter). Vijay: Find some way no, Sadhguru?. You found answers to so many things. Find one way to shorten this thirty-two
hours focused time (Few laugh). Sadhguru: Yes. Well... we have. For certain people, we have shortened it much
more but generally, for most people thirty-two hours. You must understand normally, Inner Engineering
in ancient times, used to be twelve years. One solar cycle, twelve and a quarter
years you must stay with the guru. From twelve and quarter years,
thirty-two hours I have made it… Vijay: Good job (Laughter). Sadhguru: If you reduce it any further
it’ll become ridiculous (Laughs). Vijay: So, Shakespeare once said,
“Everybody is somebody’s fool” in the... what it means is that always in life, there is
someone who loves you more than you love them, and there is always someone
you love more than they love you. So a lot of people, I’ve met, are in situations where
they have to choose between the one that loves them, or the one that… they love. Sadhguru: I thought that happened
only in the London society. It i’s happening in Hyderabad also.
Vijay: Here also. Everywhere it is happening (Laughter). Because now we are meeting
a lot of more people, interactions. Sadhguru: I understand but why
don’t you pick the one that you want. Why are in the wrong place all the time? Vijay: Pick the one that you want? Sadhguru: No, no, you are saying, you love
somebody but she loves somebody else and… Vijay: That’s how the life is no, unfortunately. Sadhguru: So that is because you are
making all the wrong choices, obviously. Vijay: No, but it’s nature.
Sadhguru: It’s not nature. Do not... Do not... (Laughter) Vijay: Haven’t you all met someone
who loves you more than you love them, and who you love more than they love you? Sometimes there is love both ways… Sadhguru: No, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no (Laughs). Vijay: You just tell me in one line what is the better, stay with the one who loves you
more or the one you want to be? Sadhguru: No, no. See, this is not a prescription. All I am saying is, why are we
continuously going this way, (Gestures) when we want to go this way (Gestures)? If you want to go this way,
(Gestures) please go this way. You want to go this way (Gestures) you go this way. Vijay: Now it is… we… I’m like which way?
Sadhguru: Now what you’re a… what you… what you are asking is, is this better or this better? There is no such thing. No direction in the world is better than the other. No person in the world is better than the other. If you put your heart into something,
it becomes wonderful. It is not the best thing. It is just that for you, it i’s wonderful
because you invested your involvement. Vijay: But from there if they don’t invest,
gone no, Sadhguru. Sadhguru: That gives you lot of freedom (Both laugh). Vijay: So you are just saying
hit and trial method (Laughter). Like go for it and…
Sadhguru: No, no. No, no, no. I am saying that gives you lot of freedom
because you experience love and they don’t, and they won’t bind you, it’s very wonderful. Vijay: It’s not Sadhguru (Laughter).
It’s not at all wonderful. Sadhguru: Because you are looking at a transaction. Transactions, you have to
use your brains not your heart. Vijay: Okay. So there you have to think
what is best for our future and… Sadhguru: Yes, if it’s a transaction, in
transaction you have to use your brains. You are talking about a love affair. So, there you have to use your heart. In a transaction, then you must use your brains. Vijay: My next topic is one of the
most controversial but it’s religion. Does religion serve any purpose, Sadhguru? Like in these times… Is there any purpose to religion? Sadhguru: See you must understand this. In the East, in this culture,
in India, we don’t have a religion. We’ve never had a religion.
Vijay: Yeah, Dharma. Sadhguru: Dharma means a law. We have laws. Right now, to drive on the street there is a law. Between husband and wife there is a Dharma
- a certain kind of law. You must maintain those things, otherwise
however close people are, things will go bad, if you don’t maintain certain things. Between father and son, there is a dharma. Between the king and the praja there is a dharma. Like this we created. Of all these things we said, these dharmas have to
be debated in every generation and be amended, and amended, continuously. But there is one dharma that you do not amend,
this is called as sanathana dharma, - that means the eternal law. Sanathana dharma does not mean a
religion as it is being claimed today. It means an eternal law. What is an eternal law? Physical is always transforming, evolving,
changing, so that cannot be an eternal law. You have to fix new laws. See there was a time, suppose with an axe,
within half a day if you can bring down this tree, you would be a hero in this village. Because just clearing the tree was such a big feat. But today, if you bring down this tree…
if you as much as bring an axe, we are going to arrest you and throw in the prison,
all right? So now the dharma has changed
because the situation has changed. When it was the time when the entire region was forest,
to build your home, to build a village, if you could knock down a tree
and make space for people to live. People thought you are a hero, but now if you
cut the tree you are the enemy of the people. So dharma has changed. So, we said all the dharma should change but one
thing should not change which is a eternal law. What is an eternal law about? A dimension which is not physical. For that, there is no change of laws. It is the same law. So, this is called swadharma or sanathana dharma. So the knowledge or the dharma of the self,
beyond the body is sanathana dharma. So that is what we’ve valued
most because that is permanent. Rest of the things are changing and evolving. All this culture got disrupted because continuous
invasions for 1000 years, everything got disrupted. People who are repositories of this knowledge
everything, were killed and you know, all kinds of things we have gone through. Let’s not revisit that. But essentially, whether you take Hindu way of life,
Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, no where there is a god. There is no god. All the people whom you worship, are people
who walked this geography at one time. Yes or no? In Telangana and Andhra Pradesh, there is history of
Rama walking down to Sri Lanka and again walking up. People celebrate those places where he sat down, where
he stayed for two days, where he did this and that, so many things. Vijay: They were all just spreading this dharma or…?
Sadhguru: No, no, no. They were just living their life. Unfortunately their life occupied them with
so many tragedies, kidnappings, and wars, and stuff, but I am saying there is proof that
they walked this planet, they walked this country. We worship them because they showed that they
had something in them which would not change, no matter what kind of drama they went through. Wars happened, kidnappings happened,
death happened, all kinds of horrible things happened
in their life but there were free from it. So because the highest value in this culture is
freedom or liberation which we refer to as mukthi. If you listen to the conversations of
your mother or may be your grand-mother, in daily conversation without uttering the
word mukthi, moksha, karma, prarabdha, there is no conversation in this country. Yes or no? Every day – not spiritual conversation,
daily conversation, if they sit down and stand-up, they’ll say, “Aaiyyo karma,
prarabdha, mukthi, moksha. When will I get mukthi?” This is the talk always ’cause the entire
country was invested towards liberation. Not god. We use these people as symbols of liberation. Even though life put them through all kinds of
trials and tribulations, they remained above it. So we see that they are free. They are in a certain state of freedom that
the physical world never disturbed them. But at the same time, they were not withdrawn. They were actively engaged in the physical world. Fighting a battle means absolute involvement, isn’t it? When you’re pitching your life out there,
can’t be any more involvement in life. So they were absolutely involved,
but at the same time untouched by life. So we worship that quality because
they are representing mukthi. They are representing absolute freedom from life. So it’s because of that these people became symbols. Whether Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Guru Nanak
or whoever, they all became symbols of mukthi. Even when they were living, they were free. Actively involved but free.
Vijay: But does the religion serve a purpose? You are saying it is like a rule book
that we follow to stay civilized. Sadhguru: No, no, no. There is no rule book in India. Vijay: But you called it - the law. Sadhguru: See the law… That’s what I said. Law... The reason why Indians
are full of questions (Vijay laughs) and now youth are asking all these questions
is because this is the land of debate. Vijay: Yeah. Which is very good. Like… It’s amazing. Sadhguru: When Shiva came, when Adiyogi Shiva came, he is a personality of that kind that in
front of him nobody would ask a question, but his wife asked him a million questions. That is what is Shiva sutras. And his seven disciples asked thousands of questions. Well you know, Arjuna and Krishna that question
and answer business is big, in India (Vijay laughs). See Arjuna and Krishna are so intimate with each other. They know each other so well but that guy,
in a crucial moment, how many questions he has. Because in this culture, dharma has always been
a point of debate, because dharma has to evolve. All dharmas have to evolve except the sanathana
dharma or the eternal law or the swadharma, need not evolve because that is not changing. So this is a land of seekers of truth and liberation. Here there is no religion as such. We have taken this religious attitude from outside, because outside heavy competition came. Once it came, we thought we must
also organize ourselves like that. We are trying to, but we will never will because the
best thing about Hindus is we are always confused. No, it’s a very good thing. Confusion means you have questions and questions, otherwise you’ve stupid conclusions about everything. The idiotic conclusions that people have made,
had destroyed this planet, killed millions of people around the world, simply because somebody has a idiotic
conclusion about everything in life, isn’t it? So, we don’t have 'this is it' kind of book. Our books are all debates. So people think we are confused but
we don’t think confusion is a bad thing. We are joyfully confused. That’s a great thing. You have concluded something. If I ask two questions, your conclusion will fall apart. That is why if I ask you a question, you will kill me. Questioners have always been killed in
every other culture, do you know this? They ask a question, you kill the man. That’s one way of handling the questions (Few laugh). But if you entertain the question,
it will lead to more, and more, and more. And this is how we have always been. So this is a godless, religion-less land
but we have managed this culture well, because this is based on human consciousness. Not on heaven, not a ruling power up there, here we have always managed humanity
by activating human consciousness. We told you, “Your life is your karma.”. What this means is, your life is your doing. Nobody managing it from anywhere else. Essentially this whole movement
what I am calling as Inner Engineering, is a movement from religion to responsibility. This is where we need to go, that every human being who sits here is responsible
for who the hell they are and who the hell they are not. What they are and what they are not,
they are taking complete responsibility for that. Only then, individual human beings will live well. Only then a nation will live well. Vijay: Some of the questions I am asking
with regards to religion. It is just like… Sadhguru: You are just trying to get me
into trouble, I understand (Laughs). Vijay: No. It’s actually like, you could
say pass Sadhguru, if you do not want… Sadhguru: Hmm? Vijay: You can just say pass, this question…
Sadhguru: No, no. I don’t pass any question because you know,
that is why I am sitting in the police lines. (Laughter) Vijay: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know that. So, like some of these questions
have come from across… I think the youth that follow me especially,
my friends come from across religions and cultures. And these are things everyone questions. From be you a Hindu, a Muslim or a Christian. Huh... I think everyone… So I am asking…
some of these questions are very general. They don’t come from any
particular religious point of view. One question I had is, do you think
these loud religious processions, or rallies or these chants and prayers that are
pushed over loud speakers, across religions. Do you think it stems from some sort of
insecurity or competition between religions? Is it necessary to have such a loud public display? Like people have a problem with PDA, but if I hug
someone or kiss someone I’m at least not shouting. It’s at least quiet. It’ is not disturbing anyone. So, do you think it’s coming
from some space of insecurity, these extremely loud display of religious fervor? Sadhguru: No, competition.
Vijay: Competition, it stems from there? Sadhguru: Yes (Laughs).
Vijay: So if everyone is more relaxed, you think all this… Sadhguru: Yes. Because… Because religions are always
trying to improve their numbers. Other religions are turning up
the volume to keep their numbers. Vijay: Yeah. To keep their numbers or
increase their numbers. Yeah, Sad (Few laugh). Sadhguru: If people… especially those
people who believe all life is made by god. I don’t see why you have to strive
to make me belong to your god, because anyway you are saying
your god only created me. I will also accept, okay your god created
me, all right, then leave me alone no? Anyway I belong to your god. He can take me back whenever he wants.
I am not resisting (Laughs). Vijay: But now I think this has become like
political numbers and so it just like various… Sadhguru: Yes. See. People have understood... Not today, for a
few thousand years they have understood – it’s not only after democratic governments
came they have understood. Even before they understood, numbers is power. So it’s a power game. They would like power beyond politics.
(Laughs) Do you understand? It is not about transformation. It is not about liberation. It’s about power. An enslavement of people. Vijay: Since I was growing up and now we
are in Ganesh Chaturti season of the year. It has always been like after Diwali
it was my most favorite festival, because in school we would make these chariots,
take a procession and it would be celebration, we would all enjoy it. But once I grew up I wondered… once I came to
the city and saw the amount of clutter it creates, I always wondered… it’s a social
celebration, we celebrate together. I wondered why one big Ganesha for the entire city,
like a Jagannath Yatra or something for example. Why can’t we all have one at home, and then just the entire city celebrates together
with one instead of making three every street? And then it has one domino effect of
polluting because people are careless. It was not meant to be this way, probably
when it started (Sadhguru laughs). But now that we have made it this, do you think like
a rule passed by the government that one Ganesha, it would have political repercussions, so no one
will dare do it but doesn’t it make more sense? Sadhguru: See, we can do it at some point, that… See, right now in many cities it’s been made like this. For example Diwali crackers, everybody is
supposed to come to one big ground in the city, and all the children come there and burst their crackers. Instead of bursting it all over the place, in certain
towns and cities it is slowly being cultivated. Not hundred percent mandatory,
but it’s being pushed in that direction. Don’t burst crackers all over the town,
everybody assemble in one place and do it. The next step would be, like in United States
and other places, for their... you know, July 4th and stuff, they have major fire crackers. Suppose the city itself sets up one hour
long big major spectacular fire crackers, then people will come and watch. Vijay: No, I don’t think our thrill is about watching it
as much as the adrenaline for holding it in the hand, and throwing it (Few laugh).
Sadhguru: No, no, that is what I’m saying. See, the thing is all the dom doom ones,
they can do it in their home. Children like to do it. Oh, we thoroughly,... thoroughly enjoyed it. I will not deny it to the children of this day, that they should not burst crackers
because somebody thinks pollution. If you are polluting with crackers,
next three days let’s walk to the office, hmm? Vijay: Compensate for… Yeah.
Sadhguru: Yes, that’s all. You can’t take away every
aspect of culture using pollution. I think it’s a very motivated push that
certain people are doing which is not right. Coming to the Ganesha, it’s very much a possibility
but maybe one will not work for the entire city, when a population is like fifteen million,
twenty million people, one may not work. Probably for every area or every three, four, you know,
extensions, maybe a population of one million, one. Sadhguru: So if you have fifteen million population, fifteen Ganapatis. They all come to one place and in one big procession
they go, the entire town participates in that, would be fantastic actually. It is a direction in which we have to push. We made some attempt. We have done this with Pongal in Tamil Nadu. There are four days of Pongal. There is one Pongal for the implements and
other things, there's one Pongal for the people, one Pongal for the animals
which work with us in the farm. And there is one Pongal for reaching out
to people our neighbors and everything. So like this there are different Pongals. So these four days everybody is doing in their own way. Now we have done this in the ashram,
we invite thousands of people to come, and together we are giving them a open
field in the ashram to cook there openly. And it’s is like a big festival, we organize
music and folk dances and everything. So, people come in thousands
and celebrate their Pongal there. Instead of each one doing in their own home
because slowly they don’t know what to do. All they do with the… festival means, just eating. There is no other celebration. Nobody is there to organize music, folkdance. This all used to happen in the villages. But now we are organizing it in the Yoga Center,
so that people come there and participate. Things like this can be created in every town,
in open fields – where big celebration happens. Organization and talent, a display, children can participate, which people
cannot do by themselves individually. Definitely we need to think in that direction. We should maybe push Hyderabad
first in that direction, why not? Vijay Devarkonda: We should. If they don’t screw my happiness for
bringing this up (Laughter), we should. Sadhguru: This is why you must do Inner Engineering
(Laugh) that nobody can mess with your happiness. They can maybe sabotage the activity,
but they cannot mess with your happiness. People keep asking me.... I keep unleashing one project after another, which
involves massive outlay of finance, activity, people. People say, “Sadhguru, all this one after
another you are doing, suppose it fails?” If it fails, what to do, hmm? If everything fails, I will still die blissfully. But I don’t want to die without making an
attempt to create what we want to create. Because nobody can mess my happiness. You come, we will fix you up so that
nobody can mess your happiness. Once this one assurance is there in you, “nobody can
take away my joy.”, you will do many more things in life, isn’t it? Vijay Devarkonda: I don’t know, if I’m just
happy all the time, maybe I won’t do much. Sadhguru: No, no tell me… You tell me, on a certain day you are very happy. On that day you are willing to
do more or you are unhappy, on that day you are willing to do more? Vijay Devarkonda: I’m mostly happy
when I’m not doing anything (Laughter). Sadhguru: That’s not the point. See that is because of excessive work. One day when you get a break, you think like that.
Vijay: Yeah. Sadhguru: But you tell me, when you are happy,
you are willing for more activity… Vijay Devarkonda: Yeah. You are more energized than you can…
Sadhguru: Yes. You are willing to bend backwards
and do what’s needed, isn’t it? Vijay Devarkonda: Yeah. True, true, true. Sadhguru: When you are unhappy,
we can’t make you take one step. Vijay Devarkonda: True. Point (Laughter). Actually true, no? Very true. Sadhguru: (Laughs) Hundred percent, hmm? So we will fix up your happiness in such a way,
they… nobody can mess your happiness. Let’s get the Ganapathi thing going in Hyderabad. Vijay Devarkonda: Yeah. One more thing I was wondering was,
because Ganapati is such a huge thing. I was wondering… and all the people are
very excited and passionate about this. But one day I was thinking if instead of having a
whole Ganesha statue and taking this procession, and music and dance and the celebration, what if,
culturally, from long back, from when it started. It was about these three, seven, nine, eleven days. You clean your locality, clean the city. Do you think people would have
participated in the festival as much, if it was about cleaning rather
than an easier job of taking up? Sadhguru: See, that participation was
there when we were rural communities, because everybody knew everybody. Here, nobody knows… Most people don’t know who is their neighbor. So they are not willing to go and clean that, all right? Vijay Devarkonda: Yeah, they feel desensitized to…
it’s someone else’s mess why should I do it? Sadhguru: So today we are expecting an organized
municipality or a corporation to do that. So we don’t have to get into that. But even if people can just get together, culturally come
together, irrespective of their caste, creed and religion. – That itself is a great thing. That is cleaning up the society, not the streets (Laughs). And in that we can always bring, after the
Ganapati festival, after the procession goes, the streets should be cleaner than the way it started. Not that after the procession goes, it’s a heap of filth. That awareness if you bring, it’s good enough. Vijay Devarkonda: Yeah. We have to try. I think they have been trying it over years to do… Sadhguru: No. They don’t know how to do mass movement. You tell me, if we… I don’t have the time right now. But if I stand up, we can easily do that. Vijay Devarkonda: We should try and do. As in it will save like a… Sadhguru: Everybody, keep one small Ganesha at home. Bring your Ganesha and surrender
to the big Ganesha in the locality. This big Ganesha all of them start off at the
same time, fifteen, twenty of them in the town. Everybody goes, everybody at least gets to walk
ten kilometers, which itself is a great feat (Laughs). They don’t have to swim in Hussain
Sagar, but at least they walk to it. That itself is a big thing. Vijay Devarkonda: My next question is from
a boy called Ganesh Kumar which… Sadhguru: Oh (Laughster)!
Vijay Devarkonda: Oh, yeah (Laughs). So the question, this is related to family. So he was asking, ''Should I care and be concerned and put efforts towards family
who don’t care about you as much. They are my family but they don’t care,
they don’t show any sort of appreciation for what I do, and how much effort I am putting. And they are so distant, they don’t
even wish during festivals or… So, and we all have relationships in life,
be it friends, be it family, be it colleagues. Somehow some people just don’t…
are not grateful for having you, or don’t give you the acknowledgement
for the effort you put in towards this. So should you care enough to continue
putting this effort towards them, or should you just cut them off
from your life (Sadhguru laughs)?” I’m the cutoff batch, like... Sadhguru: See, what you wish to do, how much you wish
to do, with individual people is an individual choice. It’s not for me to say something without
knowing the realities of your life. But in general, why should your caring stop? Your activity or your time and your investment of time, could be altered depending
upon what is the relationship. But when you say family, generally you are
talking about parents and siblings and stuff. Well, today you have grown up and
become a young man, standing on your feet. But you must understand, you were not born like this. You were born as a helpless infant. So somebody cared enough to…
someone who pees on you, who shits on you, who doesn’t know how to eat, who
doesn’t know how to stand up, nothing. Somebody cared and made sure
today you are standing up on your feet. That did not happen without any love or care. It happened, all right? Well you may not be…
you may be measuring and saying, “Oh, some other parents are loving their children
so much more. Mine are not loving that much.” This is a silly way to look at it. But they have made you stand up on your feet. If you have no love for them, at least have gratitude. If you lose your gratitude, unknowingly, in some
way, you are kind of forsaking your humanity. Not that only if you are grateful you
will be human, that’s not the point. But gratitude is a simple way of
keeping some things alive within yourself – sensitive to contributions that come to your life. If you lose that, then you will slowly become
absolutely reckless and careless about everything, which is not a good thing for you. Forget about them, it’s not a good thing for you. Vijay Devarkonda: But this applies to parents. I understand because when you were helpless like
one animal, they brought you up and… but the siblings. Sadhguru: Oh, I didn’t know you were born
as a animal, I thought… (Laughter). Vijay Devarkonda: I think that kids…
babies are pretty much animals. They piss everywhere, poop everywhere, cry, bawl. (Laughter) So like kids I think are pretty much animals. As you grow up I think you become smarter,
and cultured but… Sadhguru: (Laughs) But a whole lot of
people say, “I want to be like a child.” Vijay Devarkonda: I think they mean like
in their school (Sadhguru Laughs)… in their school where they’re just running
around and everything was taken care. But I was asking you… like what you said, definitely we should be
grateful for the people, who brought you up, but what about siblings who didn’t offer so much to
your growth, or friends, or work colleagues for example. Sadhguru: See, relationships… any kind of relationship. If you are straight about it, as you already mentioned
once, in this conversation, it’s a kind of a transaction. No transaction will continue for long,
if it is just one way. In some way both the parties have to benefit,
only then it goes on, whether it’s market or marriage. That’s the reality. Only if both the parties are benefiting,
transactions will go on. Otherwise, transactions will cease. So for this, you don’t have to think,
“I want to cut off, I stop caring,” why? If transactions don’t go on, slowly things (Gestures)… Vijay Devarkonda: Die down by themselves. Sadhguru: Maybe not die down, maybe absent for
some time, somewhere you meet them, and boom, once again you can hug them for some time. I’m saying, relationships need not be thought
in terms of “Okay it’s over, I’m going to cut it off.” It’s a silly way of doing things. When transactions don’t work, slowly, go far. That’s how it is. It’s a wise way of handling life (Laughs). Vijay Devarkonda: My next… Sadhguru: Otherwise, when you cut relationships
consciously, like that “I’m going to cut it.” You will turn friends into enemies. What is that for? Enemies need lot more management
than friends (Laughs). Yes. Vijay Devarkonda: Okay, so once I knew I was
doing this and it was “Youth and Truth,” I decided to put up an interactive message,
so that I get representation from the youth as well, and get some questions to ask you. A lot of them asked about atma, some about happiness, and there was a overwhelming amount of
messages coming especially from Tamil Nadu, that were asking about the issue
of land grabbing near your ashram. And I know that this question has been
asked several times (Sadhguru laughs), and I think you’ve even given an answer. But there is still a feeling that land grabbing
has happened and I don’t know where this is… I don’t know the truth about any of this. I’m completely ignorant. I haven’t read the actual accusation or… Sadhguru: They did not talk about the kidneys? Vijay Devarkonda: Kidneys no.
Sadhguru: Kidney grabbing they didn’t talk. Oh, they have been going on with kidney
grabbing for some time because it didn’t work, now they have come to land
grabbing in the last three years. Vijay Devarkonda: Oh it’s been… Sadhguru: In the last twenty-five years, some campaign
is going that I have killed hundred elephants, eras… (Laughs) erased out a full rainforest. Nobody knows where the rainforest is, and
I killed hundred elephants with just my bare hands, (Laughs) and I pull kidneys out, you better check it out,
you might have lost one (Few laugh) and this land grab. I have said this openly, I shouldn’t say it
too often but because you are saying, young people from Tamil Nadu are asking.
I’ll invite these young people, your fans, ask them to make a group of whatever
ten-twenty people who are very smart. Let them come with all the maps and
Panchayat documents and everything, – anywhere, either private land,
government land, forest land – one inch, not one acre, one inch,
if Isha Foundation has grabbed one inch of land, this is the last you’ll see of me. I’ll leave the country. I’ll… Is that good enough (Laughs)? Vijay Devarkonda: So I’ll…
Sadhguru: I’m saying... No, I am saying, this is going on like this. People said, they campaigned, they made videos
of how elephants are dying in the ashram, okay? All animated videos were made. They said full forest was removed. Then we put out the Google Maps, the land was not
in our hands in 2006, it was somebody else’s land, later on we bought it. From 2006 onwards there are Google Maps, we
put out the Google Maps, it shows it’s barren land. Vijay Devarkonda: No vegetation.
Sadhguru: No! And you see the Google Maps from 2006 to now,
has vegetation gone up or gone down? Well, before that there were no Google Maps,
check the Panchayat records. All the survey numbers that we own today, just check the Panchayat records
from 1994 since we own these lands, what were the crops before 1994, was that forest? Was it even trees? Or was it crops, dry crops mostly? Well check the Panchayat records,
don’t go by what I say. But without checking, young people if they are interested
in truth, or they are interested in just slander? You’ve done enough slander. United Nations recognizes me as the
ecological champion in the world, okay? We are part of their program. We have the highest ecological award in the
country, Indira Gandhi Paryavaran Puraskar. Wildlife Trust of India says that
not an inch has been taken. Forest Department in Tamil Nadu says
there is absolutely no encroachment. Ministry of Environments and Forest says
there is no encroachment anywhere, nor are we in anyway obstructing any wildlife. In fact, we’ve blocked all the hunters and
others and sandalwood cutters and everybody, so we’ve made enemies of course. We made enemies from vested interests and
they are going on for last twenty-five years. Young people must be interested in truth. I will open all the records, Panchayat is there,
forget about my records, I’ll open the gates of ashram for you to come and
stay there for a week and investigate everything. Talk to all the agencies concerned. If one inch is taken, only one inch,
if it’s taken, I’ll leave. Is that good enough for the young people? Vijay Devarkonda: Have all these
been put out the UNESCO… Sadhguru: Everything is there on the website. Vijay Devarkonda: Okay. Oh all the documents… Sadhguru: Yes, everything is there, this just goes on. Simply because it’s a motivated media. Anonymous media on the social media thing,
they just go on saying the same things. So if they are genuine, if these (Laughs) fans of yours
are genuine youth concerned about the ecology, concerned about justice in Tamil Nadu, please let
them come and investigate whichever way they want. I’ll open the entire document segment,
it’s all digitized our documents. We’ll open the entire thing, you can look at it then
go and refer to it in the Panchayat documents, that is also reasonably digitized. If there is an encroachment, please show me. All agencies have found there is no encroachment, and above all (Laughs) am I interested
in a stupid piece of land that you have? This is because certain people
want access to the forest, and we are sitting there as a
block because it’s at the tri-junction. Vijay Devarkonda: Oh, tri-junction?! Sadhguru: Tri-junction means
three state borders are there. There are certain activity going on. It is those people who are
carrying on this campaign endlessly. And why… you know ask the police...,
ask the police, what all they’ve been doing... because they want access to the jungle… Vijay Devarkonda: Because it has resources? Sadhguru: No, they have their own other agendas.
Vijay Devarkonda: Okay. But if there is a really interested bunch of kids who
really want to know and they can spread the word, Sadhguru: I am telling you, right now I will keep
you as the contact, if there are ten-fifteen people, sensible people who have some knowledge
about this, want to come and examine, I’ll do it but after that, you and your fans
must openly speak this is absolute rubbish. Vijay Devarkonda: They will, these ten-fifteen and…
Sadhguru: Please, please do that now (Laughs). Vijay Devarkonda: If... if therey are interested… Sadhguru: It will save lot of time and energy
for me answering these idiotic stuff all the time. Vijay Devarkonda: I think we could have done, if this wasn’t an issue, we could have
done one other question instead of this. Sadhguru: Yes, life is going waste because
it’s going on like this, the same thing. Why I am speaking like this is,
because young people who are with me, these are not people who have come for money. These are volunteers, they came in their twenties
and they’ve worked hard to build this entire thing. You must come and see what we have built. In the world, it’s one of the unique
places that we have built on the planet. People are coming from across the world today. And it’s appreciated everywhere in the country. It is on the Incredible India campaign
but these people are unhappy. I will tell you to what extent they are prejudiced - a group of government officials
come for inspection, all right? Including the collector. So one official says, “They have built
a factory shed without permission.” Vijay Devarkonda: Isha?
Sadhguru: Yes Isha has built. So we ask, “Where is the factory shed,
we have not built anything?”. He points at Adiyogi statue
and says this is a factory shed. The collector asks, “What is this?
You're calling Adiyogi as factory shed?” He says, “As far as I am concerned, it’s a factory
shed because inside it has steel structure, outside it has sheet metal, it’s a factory shed.” You’ve seen the Adiyogi statue? Vijay: I’ve seen pictures.
Sadhguru: The images? Vijay: Yeah. Sadhguru: Looking at the Adiyogi statue, if you're calling
it a factory shed, just tell me who is this man (Laughs)? We have permission for a monument,
we built a monument, but that guy wants to categorize Adiyogi statue
as a factory shed, and put some case on us. Tell me who? You must think through this politically,
who is calling Adiyogi as a factory shed? So this is what young people are being influenced by. Please come and examine if you want. Whatever you want, alright?
Vijay Devarkonda: Done Sadhguru. Sadhguru: And fifteen years ago, how the
mountain was, today how it is, how green it is. Vijay Devarkonda: There are images. Sadhguru: Please check it out no, don’t believe me. The entire mountain has turned green, who did it? You think all these idiots who
are writing nonsense did it? Millions of trees have gone up on the mountain. Who did it please check it out. People ask, “Where is the proof you planted?” Well go, walk into the mountain and see
all the trees are eighteen, twenty years old, that doesn’t happen in a forest, isn't it? In a rainforest, if you find except bamboo,
all the trees are eighteen, twenty years old, somebody must have put it, isn't it? You don’t want to give me the credit, leave it. Somebody put it eighteen,
twenty years ago after we came. Maybe I didn’t do it, Shiva did it, it’s okay (Laughs). It’s fine, we are not asking for credit,
we are happy it’s green. Vijay Devarkonda: But I hope that this issue
clears out and everyone have their answer. Sadhguru: No, no, this issue
will never clear out (Laughs). Vijay Devarkonda: At least for the non-motivated
because I’ve seen that seeing this discussion, people who are not motivated also tend to
take sides, as in this news influences… Sadhguru: No, I am saying, this issue will never
clear because they will come up with new things and new things all the time. Otherwise they’ll go on saying it because
these are people..., this is a Nazi mindset. They believe that if they tell a lie
hundred times, it’ll become true. Unfortunately in this country, they’ve learned that. So, if these youth, we’re talking (Laughs)
Youth and Truth if they are interested in truth, let them take a week off, come and examine every
document, every survey stone around the boundary, if one inch is there, I will leave. You will never see me again!
Vijay Devarkonda: Can they bring cameras? Sadhguru: You can bring cameras, please.
Vijay Devarkonda: Okay. Sadhguru: You can bring cameras, I will set up a
team to take you around which is all our property. If we have occupied any forest land as you
are claiming, you will not see me again. Is that good enough? Vijay Devarkonda: Done! I’ll let them know
(Sadhguru Laughs). Sadhguru: Thank you. Vijay Devarkonda: Thank you so much Sadhguru
(Applause). Sadhguru: Please take care, there is
something that you need to handle right now.
