Unbeatable Mind Podcast with David Goggins

hey folks welcome back to the unbeatable mind podcast so stoked you're joining me today as you know I don't take it lightly I know you have a lot of things distracting you and vying for your attention but you will not be disappointed with our show today this show is also being taped so you can find it at our YouTube channel or at our website but if you're listening on itunes sitting next to me is the one and only David Goggins and I'll tell you a little bit more about David if you don't know him which would be surprising to me in a moment before we kick it off though if you haven't heard we are running a big charity event this year it's not actually an event it's an all your thing we're calling it burpees for vets our objective is to do 22 million burpees and to raise a minimum $250,000 for veterans who are suffering from post-traumatic stress many people don't know this but 22 vets a day are committing suicide is unset we're gonna do our part and if you'd like to join us go to burpees for vets dot-com hashtag burpees for vets whatever and there's a few ways to join us I won't go into the details here but we hope you do let's help raise awareness and funds and also create a direct support program to help these guys and ladies all right David Goggins welcome buddy so David Navy SEAL Army Ranger tactical air force CCT right I was a yeah I was a tea tea ACP ta CPAC tactical air control went to depth of selection twice does the for selection twice Delta silicon and what me did it quit they didn't want me oh cool I want to talk about Delta's like and that sounds pretty I know some folks have been through that ultrarunner just generally a badass all right we got a lot to talk about because you know when it comes to unreal mind community we'd love to talk about resiliency mental toughness physical preparedness the things that go toward that like nutrition sleep recovery all that's interesting but also like what drives people what drives you to do what you do so before we get right into that juicy stuff why don't you tell us a little bit about like who is David where you're from what was life like when you were a little munchkin and what were some of the early influences that kind of shaped who you became I had so many different things that shake me up I mean I was an abusive father growing up mm-hmm he believed in himself mm-hmm he believed in my way or the highway he would wake up in the morning time and start drinking no so he's an alcoholic he had a bar at a skating rink he used to run prostitutes from Canada to Buffalo New York because we had a big line of credit Artie's banks all these all these high wig bankers you know in these different banks would love my dad cuz my dad figured out hey you know he was real smart in every way possible so he just said these men like women I bring prostitutes over these men give me line of credit at the banks so that's what he did he set fire to lobbies buildings you know to collect insurance to collect insurance this guy's a real gem yeah he is good guy good guy so uh just he was just a guy that uh didn't care much about anything but himself so he's an abusive guy beat the [ __ ] out of me my mom my brother growing up and around 8 years old my mom got tired of all this and just to back up a little bit um had a big time learning disability I didn't go to school much because my dad didn't really I look he's so much believed in school he believed more in the business and so as a family business was a skating rink so his game we could open it up I would something up from time I was able to walk I was working that skating rink and then at nighttime the bar would open up so we'd be downstairs cleaning up a skating rink me my mom my brother my dad I'd be upstairs at the bar and the bar would sit down about 3 o'clock me and my brother about 10 or 11 o'clock would be in the office sleeping and then we hardly the school so there was hardly no school ha any like you know any interaction with kids so a big time social anxiety I didn't I was just a really fucked-up kid had a lot of stuff going on to make it worse my mom left us about eight years old we moved to a small town called Brazil nienna Brazilian has some great people in it so don't get me wrong this is Indiana yeah Indiana Brazil Indiana Brazil in the Brazilian interesting name and um a lot of great people there great teachers there but there are also a lot of racist people there in 1995 the KKK was not allowed to march in our parade the 4th of July parade but they were allowed to march a hundred or towards your feet behind hmm so this is 1995 so a lot of people in that town get mad at me come on podcast every now and then I mentioned how I came up and they get upset and it's funny to me because they didn't see what I lived you know and the first thing about it to me is put a white person in a town of 10,000 people that all black yeah see what happened we see how the [ __ ] they feel about that [ __ ] so if you believe that my life there was great so I give you a couple incidences that happen there one time I was at Pizza Hut and eating with a bunch of kids you know not everybody hated me a lot of kids like me and um just this young girls um dad came in Pizza Hut saw her there sitting with me in the table totally get up and said I won't ever see you sitting this [ __ ] again when all these people piece of huh another quick answer that happened there was a Spanish notebook of mine we kept our Spanish notebooks in class and never forget opening my Spanish notebook and on it it said [ __ ] we're gonna kill you but there's no book so these are some of the incidents that happened there and a lot of people in this small town didn't know that I was hurting because I created two people one was David Goggins was the real me this soft kid who was very insecure and learned disability stuttered in my starting from third grade to about seventh grade from just having this you know social anxiety just being nervous and scared and the only that my mama's gonna get remarried at like a nice 14 years old and he got murdered Jesus so it's just whenever I would try to overcome something and my mom worked three jobs into school full-time just to paint a picture of just a very bleak life for myself but it also created I started looking for bad mm-hmm so instead of trying to find good and stuff like I said now I mean you were talking I was looking at you say okay what the [ __ ] is this guy you know I'll be waiting everything that came out of your mouth I've like what you know I'll be picking you apart man thinking are you judging me are you criticizing me are you so it was a downward spiral growing up for me and that learning disability really hurt me also because I basically started copying on everybody's schoolwork so from fourth grade until my junior year in high school I cheated mm-hmm and I have my life I'm it's hard to talk about because this is real you know I I did heaven I was a survivor I found ways to get through situations so that's kind of my child to my senses I mean there's quite a few people like that right a lot of people came from abusive families a lot of people and minorities were treated like [ __ ] in this country right and so you're not alone and the difference is you're able to talk about it big time which is huge right so what was the turning point like what shifted to that flip the switch for you there were a lot of turning points in your hair by every talk but one big turning point was when I turned that Spanish dope again so I was in Spanish class obviously open the notebook up he said [ __ ] we're gonna kill you had a drawing of me and actually talked to the principal because I'm in the process of writing my book right now his name is Kurt Freeman Neil yeah I talked to him today's ago no kidding he said I remember like like it was yesterday so I left my class just didn't tell a teacher we write to his office and show them it and he said and I've run a good speller at all obviously I shot a topic and they spelled Niger Niger I know I spoiled Niger you know I'm saying they spelled Niger Niger so he looked at me and said they're ignorant and that's the best advice you can give me my mom's working three jobs I was a latchkey kid I was I was on my own I did my own thing man I missed almost all of my junior year of high school never to school just get my own thing and that was a turning point when I really realized I was on my own I mean it just kind of hit me like the best advice you can give me is that spilled Niger Niger mm-hmm and pretty much you know I think you called my mom up and I went back to class and I realized that life isn't [ __ ] fair it's not fair and you better figure out some tools in some ways to stop feeling sorry for yourself because no one is coming to rescue no one feel sorry for you right and it did a day no one really cared about me that's how I felt that was the reality of it mm-hmm so except for your mom yes my mom big-time care but she was uh she was a busy she was busy when you have when you have your soul taken from you my dad did a good job of that and then her soon to be you know they're getting married the next month he got murdered the day after Christmas so he had Christmas day after Christmas he got murdered so when your mom's getting healed from this guy and that guy gets taken from her you the downward spiral is real mm-hmm you know I remember and after that happened I'm never get going to the funeral and one thing that really messed me up was I went back to school after the Christmas break and my first day back in school this to this day it haunted me because being a part of a murder it's crazy the plus having the mindset I had going into the murder you know I wouldn't a strike anyway I went back to school and we I was a I was in junior high so the junior high was from I think like from first grade eighth grade mmm you know they had us in there and I'll never forget on our bus route we're supposed to pick up this young kid and he had some cookies for the bus driver but forgot him so his mom end up taking the school so our bus was parked there in the parking lot and I sat in the back of the bus and I'll never forget seen him pull up and I looked out the window and I see him pull up with his mom and the kids all excited to get the cookies to bring back to the bus driver he's freaking out like oh my god he's excited because the bust I was parked there and he's got the cookies again goes back to mom hands into the cookies and then I just looked forward you know I look forward in the bus and I'm sitting there the bus moved forward and I heard the mom screaming and literally pulling her hair out of her head and I was like what the [ __ ] is going on around and on the window I didn't know it was but he was blood on my back window and I know what was going on and the mom was pulling so I took the window down I looked and I saw the kid and the bus had been over said oh my god so I talked about it because I was 14 years old and having Wilmeth get murdered and then going into this I end up sleeping on the floor of my I found comfort in the floor and I tell you this to let you know where I had to come a long way mm-hmm to get in front of you to talk to you about my life that's right so I slept on the floor about four or five months just for fear for some reason my mom I walked on mom's room and she slept in her chair so I don't know what the comfort was about that but it was just a downward spiral and I came back to school you know after we you know because we actually moved teen appleís in the end and then I came back to Brazil Indiana and I forget one time coming out of school and they had they had written [ __ ] we're going to kill you on my car you know I had a brown citation so it's just uh it was it was like I said there's a lot of great teachers great people there and I keep on saying because people get so sensitive and I see a lot of sensitivity in that town not understanding what the [ __ ] it takes to go through that being of different mm-hmm and I say of different cuz I was very different how many other minorities were in the time well I think in the school I can name them all right now we got is five or six black people mm yeah right and then in the town itself when I was there I think it's less than that now think it's eight to nine thousand people now when I was just one of 10,000 people and no more than ten black families mm-hmm and so you know this is a small town in Indiana mm-hm you know and some of the best people I've met were there and also some of the worst people never there so yeah that's kind of how I came up mm-hmm um you know decided to go in the military or you graduated from high school though barely really barely graduating high school graduate the 1.7 GPA nice missed a whole bunch of school but what got me on track though was exercise in the military my junior year I decided I need to join the militant do something to change my life so I sang with the Air Force and B Air Force pararescueman mm-hmm and who they are as guys I'm sure you know who they are no yeah but the people don't know is people jump out of airplanes and save down pilots or rescue people how did you learn about them I met this guy named Scott Guerin I was in this group cost you know I'm still their Patrol yeah I've missed part of that myself the opportunity cool we make around yeah at uniforms great program on the fly but they had a program where I'm gonna fly and also learned about pair rescue and Pet Rescue was a cool job and then a special camp so at 15 years old you could apply and go to this junior pair rescue camp suite and once again the only black kid there I walk in and I hear this guy talking raspy voice name was Scott Guerin this Air Force pararescueman had jumped out of a plane and a combat controller had gone through his parachute collapsed it he fell to his death pretty much you know parachute malfunction everything happened wrong and they you know a couple of guys trach them gone back alive I heard his story of survival I want to go beep air rescue me so that that's what got my mind but think about it was got take ASVAB test mm-hmm I copied all through school so I got to as valve test you know I thought I copy again right so the guy beside me had a test fab is the like those the water down SAT is like SAT for military an SAT test so not going to school I had to pretty much take this test and the guy beside me that was a copy off of a test a test be no guy test see and I was like a [ __ ] hmm I can't copy truck our own I'm I'm own I got 20 which is bad IV I need to give the 50 to getting pear rescue took it again guy can 18 like a month later they don't have like one more time to take it but he has six months before he could take it for the third time so we lived in a seven dollar month place for a while it was called government subsidized apartments food stamps then we find moved to a place that cost two hundred thirty dollars a month so money was tight for us growing up and my mom got a tutor for me for hours not that I'm not a day but for the month for hours with month for hours a mother cific ASVAB tutor or just to the period okay so I pretty much had to memorize all these different things I worked my ass off and I passed the test nice so I got the military and the pair rescue story goes kind of quick I go through pretty quick but basically I realized my true fear of the water mm-hmm and I was the only other 36 african-american become a Navy SEAL in the history the SEAL Teams so are you familiar with that and my roommate was one of them Jimmy man oh nice no no if you knew no but I didn't know how scared I was in the water so I got this packet beat like before the training program started kind of teaching you how to you know get ready for the program I kept like a warning order and it was push-ups sit-ups long stuff I got sucked the last page that said swimming mm-hmm okay I've never really swam I'll give you a try so I got a how-to book on swimming went to the pool and this one I realized why a lot of blacks are not in Special Operations you sink I think like a [ __ ] see I got in that water man and this lifeguard was trying to hold me up trying to talk first thing you do is swim in his float right so I laid back on my back and the guy said relax it relax I long dart it to the bottom of that pool and I came up to the side of the gun and I was sitting there breathing all heavy he goes man you're [ __ ] here's your negative point I go negative what he goes you know you can't float yeah so I put the same work ethic in as I put it into my own studies I learned how to swim so I got the pair rescue is about towards the guys in the class one black guy being me and I passed the swim test passed the running two push-ups all that stuff and the next couple days we had this thing called water confidence mm-hmm this is when you know how comfortable you are on the water so people don't know about water conference basically it is is they pretty much try to drown your ass underwater they take away the one thing you've had your whole life which is breathing and they want to see how comfortable you are in the water with different tasks mm-hmm I hated it I realized that it was brutal it was brutal so same as cool comp essentially same was pool comp essentially but what this was so apparent was like a 12-week long six week long either six or 12 changed a long time I think it's ten weeks long a fact of basically preschool school yeah so it was and we stayed in the water that's all oh all eight shares which is pear rescue school when I went through is this that that every day so for six weeks I didn't sleep I was just terrified to go back to that water but I didn't wanna quit can always quit things in my life when things got hard I bounced out so Robin where did that idea come from was that that you're not gonna quit because because I quit everything and I I want to make a stand and so once I finally got through the ASVAB test I started feeling more confident right I can read I can write I taught myself something and I work so hard on how to swim I started giving a little more confidence we want to go backwards and I never go backwards and I was a great motivator and so when everything got hard for me I went back with I said not this time so I wasn't going to quit regardless so but what happened was week six they they pulled us all out like 2530 guys left and they drew my blood they found out has sickle-cell sickle cells the blood disease and some african-americans have and under stressful situations jamia type situation well I had sickle cell trait okay but you can still die from it so it's called sudden death it happens a lot and I'm so they didn't know they're like well you made it so far so they pulled me out training for a week and they want to do more studies more tests see what's going on they did all that stuff I stayed out for a week and I got real comfortable so he go from being uncomfortable to comfortable your minds like I'm not going back in that water again you saw your boys getting drowned and getting trashed in the water and you're on the sidelines watching and saying uh-uh so a week went by the doc called me back up I'm thinking I'm gonna get medically disqualified from the air force I'm like this is great I'll never have to quit they'll kick me out I'll never have to quit so the doctor looks at me doctor says you know what I could push you back in training I said oh [ __ ] bucks myself a weeks gone by a couple weeks left and I'm out of here man I made it through all later I go we can you know try to be a pair estimate no I went back to the CEO I'm Sergeant Larkin or not sorry certain numbered song number looked at me and said I'm glad you're back in training man but you got start from day one no [ __ ] and I was like so my mind raced real fast yeah I thought I went right back to my old self I had to find a way out of this I cannot start back from day one but I don't want to quit so I used that medical thing as an excuse for me I said hey you know what sergeant I I'm I'm scared about the sickle cell thing and no I want to scare about that scared the water mm-hmm now they want to quit so I found a way out without quitting in the way out was him saying we don't understand so he gave me a medical mm-hmm so I keep my head up a little bit and not quit but my pride was shot because I knew the truth I knew that I really quit mm-hmm so I did a job called tack pee great hardcore job you work with infantry units some seals have tag P some Green Berets have tag work with Rangers everybody would call in the air support yeah I call the air support so f-16s f-15s great job you're the only Air Force down the ground with hardcore dudes but there's no water mm-hmm there was no water confidence involved all landline that's got to be eating you up eat me up is that what made you think of the seals eat me up there so I'm her 25 pounds now and in three years I went from 175 to 297 oh [ __ ] so I gained a hundred and six pounds that well doesn't work too adorable it was a lot of both I ate my ass off I found comfort and eating because you always have this thing hanging over your [ __ ] head when you're not doing right by yourself yeah I basically quit pay rescue training I did quit pay rescue training mm-hmm you know it bothered me so it haunted me yeah so I gained this way I tried to become a power lifter I tried to find things that was good at so I ran away from things that challenged me mm-hmm so I got the Air Force weighing two or nine seven pounds and start working for ecolab spraying for cockroaches from 11 o'clock at night seven o'clock in the morning and that became my wife for many years we are in the Air Force a four and a half years so for now yep I wasn't here first night what happened to her you did your hold yeah I did my tour and I actually just got out from there and two weren't nice and pounds with limited education starts praying for cockroaches wow that sounds great it was great it was great so if you let us like it you can learn a lot from Cochran oh yeah I really you can be surprised what's the biggest the cockroach taught you it taught me to get the [ __ ] out this job it taught me man you know what dude you better second to [ __ ] up and get out this job because right now the way your life is going and you'll be 400 pounds by five years from now but you might be the head cockroach guy right maybe the haircut but you know what and I'm not making fun of a guy's to do that job at all it's just it was the reality of my life friend you know at 297 I came home from work one day I was spray down staking shake is my last spray down I knew the manager real well he would make this special shake for me man with a chocolate a little bit vanilla a little bit of a struggle when you're depressed you'd like to eat and drink shakes or whatever out of 45 minute can you home in my car and I stopped by 7-eleven in a box of mini chocolate donuts and I keep those I'm drink the shake and go home and I would get home I would pop the TV on walk back to the shower listen to the TV while I was taking a shower and that was my day this day what came on was a Discovery Channel show younger biz Discovery Channel or History Channel was making of class to 23 or something to 23 or to 24 like that that was huge you know to 24 and I said the hardest training the world or something so you know I try to be a pest and somebody sees what you're talking about so I walked outside the couch start watching this man saw the waves rushing over them that's not bubbles to jackhammering the sugar cookies or surf torture to torture of what they were going through and I felt so small mm-hmm I felt like I was with everybody said I was nobody what I said I was nobody and I felt horrible horrible and I watched it it's very innovate I'll never forget the graduation ceremony this was stuck to me it stuck with me into this day the CEO whoever gave the graduation speech said repeat mothers was effective smothers yeah we live in a society where mediocrities often rewarded yes and we don't to talk about something something these men men like this for some of the detest mediocrity and I heard that and I saw him stand up there was so much and I saw the 18 16 minute set in the you know in their dress whites we're graduating that's all the 150 guys that are ringing the bell quitting the [ __ ] and um I said what about feels you know to be that [ __ ] sitting in that white uniform knowing that all these other guys came that were just as good me must better than me and I'm sitting here at the very end of it all I I've never had a feeling of completion a feeling of success and um I said I got I got to face this water I got faced this fear and I was like man I learned at 297 I just started calling so I called up different recruiters active-duty recruiters and they got into the conversation about how much I weighed and this and that and to cut to the chase they all pretty much laughed me off the phone like you know man you're six foot one and 297 you're killing me 191 you know like height and weight limits and everything else and I was way exceeding those with prior service and everything else I was one of those not too good recruits right pick up yeah so I went to the reserve recruiter Steve and Sal Joe was my recruiter I walked in way 97 he looked at me strangely and I said I want to be a seal and lucky enough the guy looked at me and said let's see what we can do he waved me I weigh 260 pounds overweight and this was during the hold in 1999 transitioning in 2000 so the whole computer glitches and everything else people were worried so they want to get me into this class because this this Reserve Program not to be a part of was going to end so basically as a reserves as you go through two buds from the reserve people I remember that they had a program only lasted for a couple years and I was in it that's right lose weight so fast and so as a reservist the guy said man there's a program that's about to end that you can go and if you make it through buds you then go active duty right and you'll be a seal if not you come the [ __ ] home right sounds like yeah so anyway you gonna make you lose 106 pounds in less than three months yes I can't lose it no wait went back to work a bad day happened I found a lot of cockroaches a lot of rodents on my way home driver so this is my life my life is this this is my life I'm not that smart depressed I have a horrible life I have these two guys one guy that so I became this to a 97 pound person because he became my body armor yeah because the inside was fragile weak insecure kid so I put this big man around it so when people looked at me i intimidate them I scared him but if they knew the real me just a little punk yeah a little punk kid and 24-year old guy's body so I knew that no one else did so I tried to save my life and it started there I went to recruiters office I went there bad day at work the bad damn work made me realize so I'm gonna make us proud you lose the way in three months you just run your ass off I couldn't run the first thing about it was so I said it myself around for miles my first run off the gate I'm gonna run for miles I ran a mile around a quarter of a mile walked home sound the cows depressed I said man there's no way I can do this but what I realized though is I wasn't going to give up had already given up too many times and I thought about how would I feel at 50 years old if you gave him enough if I gave up now I not to have you know so I kept all the stuff in my mind you know basically I started becoming obsessed hmm I slowly it didn't happen that night on the couch right over a period of time I started becoming obsessed with studying with weight with being somebody was making people who thought was gonna be nothing kind of like feel like [ __ ] I became obsessed with you have to make this right in other persons could do it yourself so I became obsessed with just being obsessed and and and that's what it was man you know - for anyone to get through SEAL training you have to be a little obsessed yes and a little bit you know crazy focused yes but to come from where you came through yes you got to be doubly obsessed and that's what happened yeah and then when I started so so through it all if I sat down like this are you were essentially saying I got a I've got to become the man who's even capable of getting and it gets to the start line yeah to get the start line and so but that's what happened because most of the guys are there they're pretty pretty studly they're gonna top my dad was a seal yeah [ __ ] my family cream is swim yeah you know I'm saying I mean we had little athletes in my damn family you know and I was a kid who kind of got to coming to your bad genes you know all these little sickly issues all these allergic to [ __ ] I was a little sickly kid it's funny how when people hear my story now they want to put a title on me like I'm superhuman yeah like you had some special capability and I loved it because basically it makes you feel better by putting a title on me right you can do too and so bass joints yes choice yeah it's a horrible choice man it's a hard choice it's a lot of suffering involved so for me to get this dart line through that start line journey I realized [ __ ] I'm capable mm-hmm so what happens to this whole process is the change of the mind mm-hmm it's a change of the guard mm-hmm someone once owned my brain I never owned it no I never had no I had no control you out your outsourced yes right everybody had it here's my dad's fault it was a kids are coming [ __ ] fault my mom wasn't home fault my soon be stepdads fault little kids that get rid of buzz fault my life was everybody had a piece of my [ __ ] brain yeah and through this journey of suffering and the suffering I put it in because I started finding myself yeah I started oh no I'm gonna take his [ __ ] back for me this part of my brain is mine now I'm so puzzling back this piece of my brain and through that I grew confidence and then where I got to boy can I ask you so uh-huh it how do I even say this because I'm trying to think through what that process was like were you were you getting like insights after insights that work like with it allowed you to pull this pull your brain back you know pull control back or did it just kind of like happen like really really subtly I mean we're they're like leaps we're all of a sudden you just like said screw it my dad you know I don't know anything and he doesn't have control over me anymore was an emotional mental I mean help me out here understand people like we're talking about three months here yeah information so but think about this there's some magic that happens we get to the three months pretty quick in my story but the thing about though this is years yeah a conversation got it in a very dark dark I mean this dark I mean very dark bad dark yeah sometimes you gotta go dark to get places yeah I get that this is a bad dark where I had this internal conversation with myself a lot and I knew I had to make a stand kinda new Rollins go I knew this road lead yeah that was on it was a it was just I was afraid I was afraid to make that stand so always so this so this process was going on a long time I mind mm-hmm you know I was afraid of this afraid of that afraid of this afraid of that and you have to face this [ __ ] man but through face and a lot of stuff that's what started happening to me through facing it I started getting more and more courage Barry wants one thing at a time one thing at a time yeah so when I overcame the water more courage when overcame the fear of myself the fear of failure the fear of being judged to fear for kind of like so I made so in this process I went from David Goggin I started forming a guy named Goggins mmm-hmm I had to really invent I realized had to reinvent a whole nother human being right within myself because it Who I am wasn't gonna make it this is not this guy's not gonna cut it so I think I did be a guy who can take any kind of pain any kind of suffering any kind of torture mentally physically emotionally spiritually I had had the people who visualize everybody that called me [ __ ] you had to be in a room of people like this I had to make up these things in my mind at least I had to overcome and and I started callus in my mind do it through a process and it based on with working out the start it was working I started with doing like if it started raining outside for instance my mind would say [ __ ] that man I'm gonna run mm-hmm it was 3 o'clock in the morning to start reading outside my mind said you gotta go get up and go really you have to because I was fighting this other person so you essentially tried to do everything you didn't want to do that's all it was period everything I didn't want to do is what got me to where I'm at today interest every single thing so where we find comfort now that's where I started getting scared yeah when I started saying oh it's raining I'm not going out there no you cannot say that you cannot do that you you have got to do this the other so whatever my brain thought I did the opposite mm-hmm wherever the comfort wasn't with the opposite direction in over a period of time boy it calluses this [ __ ] mm-hmm out of your mind you start to really develop a whole nother being mm-hmm and I saw this kid who was one scared afraid starts to I love this idea of I'm sorry you're fine you're fine I'm just like I'm so fascinated with this idea of visualizing the biggest challenge and then conquering it in your mind and because that's really super powerful that's we call that winning inner mind before you step foot in the battlefield that's right in our training and you did this just naturally like you figured it out well what drove me a lot and it's kind of funny growing up being the kid I was I found strength in different movies yeah so I come home in one movie I felt a lot of strength as funny as it may seem but I visualized this scene I do it today during the pull up record if 4030 pull-ups in the last time I did it actually got it took me three times I played one song for 17 hours pretty much it's from this movie Rocky one round 14 mm-hmm I related to the person in the movie mm-hmm but just the one scene when Apollo is beating the [ __ ] out of Rocky he falls in the corner mm-hmm and everybody in rocky and Apollo turns around arms up happy [ __ ] I I got this guy he turns around not knowing that Rocky's trying to get up off the canvas Mickey st. Mickey's his trainer saying stay down or everybody's saying you did good you did good you had 14 rounds with the champ rocky didn't hear [ __ ] he got up and was fixing my mind today I've seen it right now when he got up a power starts to turn around to see the aftermath of what the [ __ ] he is destroyed and he did not expect to see what he saw right and when I see of the whole movie I see a power crease face yeah fear crept in yes it I said to myself as a young kid I want to be that mm-hmm I don't need to win I don't need trophies I need people to [ __ ] like me I just want what he has yeah a fictional character whatever the hell was I want that and I visualized that and I want to become the guy who can get off the canvas and look at somebody who beat the [ __ ] [ __ ] out of him life what's about life right now in life even life itself push their head down towards David gosh [ __ ] yeah this [ __ ] is not going to stop so that mentality became what I wanted and that's how it started with that visualization of the canvas mm-hmm and all I got to do is just keep getting up and the training of physically challenged ears yes is what opened the doors just open it didn't and that led you to the emotional peeling because you got to expose yourself to extreme discomfort yes yeah and then the pride that comes along with it right is you can't buy it yeah so what about your buds class and you know what was that like what did you learn there so I was in three whole weeks in one year cool yeah I started off in class to learn wasn't enough for you know right so I was in a special time so me being that reservists it screwed me so you can only be like gone for like ten days like so if if you weren't in training you guys sent back home really yes I thought you ridden on active duty to go to buds you got active duty but once something happens when you get like medically rolled or something like that so I get so what happened was in my first toe week yeah he's gonna start so Sunday yeah I got to a couple days in the whole week in BAM I had some injuries mm-hmm got rolled got rolled to the Burnett's class went home for a little bit head start day one mm-hmm the next class Pete in doc started day one of in doc went through all that part got the hell week got through hell week the second time around you're a start-up in a second phase broke my knee no [ __ ] got sent home I was gone from 231 to 235 being in this special program you started from day one buddy start from day one again but that's like a year that's like four four classes in almost a year like nine months isn't it so my first hike was in March in my third hillock with the March the next year oh my god so I had so at home you just trained your ass off - no I was actually trying to heal I see so when I came back I mean I was broken I mean Isaac came back to Budds I was a duct tape man cuz my just bad stress fractures that I would put the black sock on get duct tape and I would take it was funny I'm gonna show you right now which is kind of crazy but I got to do it to you cuz you're here with me yeah this is the remnants of 2001 see it right there yeah it's a pressure ulcer that so I would put that little gauze right there I would duct tape my feet all the way up to top my calf and so when you move that part of your ankle yeah that starts to develop an eye sore so over six months that sore got bigger and bigger and bigger on both ankles so basically that's how I got through I told my stress fractures I take the micro so for the first 30 minutes the pain was so [ __ ] excruciating but think us what happens focusing yeah it goes numb yeah but then at night time we taking that [ __ ] off the blood flows back through and it's real painful so that's how I got through hmm so you know is my last time they were gonna let me go through again so I had to do that dude Yeah right so that's what I do did you learn anything about leadership that is noteworthy at Budds and steel training you know in terms of your because now you're working with a team it's not just the new David Goggins how you know I got to prove to myself that I can be feel you're working with other teammates right you're relying on them for you know for a lot of a lot of support and vice-versa I can imagine that would be kind of an interesting transition for you because you didn't have growing up right and I struggled with it in the SEAL Teams yeah yeah I'm not afraid to a minute one thing that that got me and I and I dive deep into it you know I'm diving deep into it later on but one thing that got me real bad was once she realized so I had this image of the seals now and the image of the seal was kind of hurt me a little bit I thought everybody had to so I was training for this standard the standard of every day you got you got a kick-ass man you got your 10-mile runs and 25 miles I bled this [ __ ] it became who I was before I got the buds and then as I went through buzzing three whole weeks in I got to see a lot of guys there's some not a lot there's a few guys to get through buds that hang on the coattails of hard dudes that's true 10% rule I call that yeah hang on dude and they get through and they and that's it they're drafted and I got to see that and it pissed me off but then again going back to your leadership question would hurt me the most was my expectations of myself were so high once I got through all this [ __ ] I went through as a kid and I realized a human being can do so much more and I put myself around these uncommon people and I was like it wasn't that for me I wanted everybody to do what I was doing so I would get an attitude get the guys if all the guys weren't getting up doing it 20 mile rock mm-hmm if if the guys weren't uh you know getting up getting hard every day yeah they got hard a lot of them but I had this different standard so I have poopy pants I I get mad yeah and I get that in am I surprised some of the listeners to know that there are guys who kind of throttle back after buds yeah there's yeah and then when they get a new platoon it's a big problem yes right but there are then platoons that kind of attract those guys and they don't perform very yes they thought Oh back they fall back and that hurt me though cuz as a leader the one thing I did [ __ ] horribly wrong is I got I'll never forget I got ice cream for SEAL team 6 after my first Platoon no one does that hmm I got picked up mm-hmm and um you deploy with him we're sitting six no never did so I picked up at my first petunias 13:5 for Green Team mm-hmm and after my second platoon this has been things start going bad from Green Team for you don't if you don't know listeners the training program for Deborah's SEAL Team six so basically what happened to me and this person might be actually talked about it openly but who gives a [ __ ] what I my leadership on my 2nd platoon I actually start developing an attitude towards people who didn't PT hard mm-hmm who didn't get after who worked I know I took it all the way to limit and so I should have been a better leader by knowing okay not everyone wants to be David Goggins now maybe wants to go run a hundred [ __ ] miles everybody everyone's got the skill says you know right you know maybe they want to go to the gym whatever the gym is fine but it was just a different standard so I couldn't take away my standard for the whole about the group interesting I looked at people that [ __ ] you man you know you yeah you ain't tryin get [ __ ] hard [ __ ] you so my mentality I wasn't a good leader and I look back on that now trust me a lot of people could have things differently I'm taking account of day four I could've done different I looked at that so my mentality from a weak kid became super hard like beyond hard next-level hard and um but that's what I was getting myself into as a leader I should have stepped back and I say these are your expectations David Goggins right what are we here to accomplish right you're on a mission what is the mission you got a team to accomplish it's not no no the SEAL Teams the community's real small I came home to get my orders to go to Green Team never got him interesting so I got shitty oh you guys against me now okay I see what's going on that's how I end up going to Delta Force try not for them a couple of times piss more people off so that's all you did that as a seal does anybody can go screen if you're active military yeah credentials but think about is we have our own yeah we have our own so team six yeah so for seal goes I'm gonna screen for Delta yeah and they don't like that they don't like that yeah you're not the only one who's done it though right yeah they've been a bunch of team guys have gone after so you get you get tagged yeah so basically yeah yeah yeah it's important to lead by example if I say lead by example if you're the leader it's the loneliest job on the planet and if you do it you have to be up early you leave late you got do the sucky jobs at least that's how I look at it you got to be the man that is always the person who's being held accountable to the highest standard mm-hmm and not expecting your people do anything that you're not going to do 20 times more than they are even when even when you're the leader mm-hmm and and I it's all about accountability for yourself in leadership roles not about being pissed because people aren't doing what you're doing mm-hmm different skill sets yeah I had a couple of friends not and that well I had a couple friends in the helicopter that went down on the QRF for wings yep then I had a few more friends from Team 3 who were in the I think was a helicopter also that went down in Afghanistan they were shot down mm-hmm I'm forgetting the name of that Operation Red Wings well Red Wings was marcus luttrell marcus luttrell a trophy but then a couple years later there was a 2012 but thank you Tom yeah yeah helicopter was shot down with a bunch of devgru guys yep now I had a few friends in that and have a guy's bike from that JT yeah it's a bunch of team three guys had gone on to dev drew Liu Lang list Chuck Mills all those guys were killed Matt anyways um you know for me and I was a reserve officer at the time right you know and I actually transitioned out in 2011 2012 but it just like really impacted me the the number of team guys who were killed in combat after 2001 and that wasn't see my experience was kind of almost peacetime right right except as a reserve officer I got recalled to go to Iraq and that's when I got to taste war but nothing like you know the operators who were kicking on doors it sounds like you had kind of an impact you were impacted by the loss of some teammates and what did that what was that experience like what did you do with that it was it was big for me so I was in but for so long and went through so many different times in hell week and stuff I was in buzz class with Danny Dietz yeah I remember who's on that op I was on with Michael Murphy right guys that's the mark you know you know Congressional Honor winner I was around the same time as marcus luttrell mark his twin brother I was there for him to go through and I should I was there for a lot of guys in the QRF team a guy named get god I hate that I forget his name anyway he got the honor man in my buzzer class 230 Chris Christensen no there was less guys 230 he was in that chopper that went down yeah so all these different guys I knew them all and I was at freefall school during the incident with him working the trail March 12 in brother and I got the information before Morgan did about the OP happened the last day of freefall school mm-hmm so we're getting ready to graduate and I went to tell Morgan what happened and Morgan knew his brother wasn't dead no one else knew really if he was dead or alive but Morgan knew he wasn't just cuz he was a twin he could yeah he could feel it so four days later I got a call from Morgan say they found Marcus alive and I was like [ __ ] man that's crazy so a few months later it was still hard to me a little bit you know like you know I got five souther do so at this time I was much bigger I was in the body building and my cardiovascular activity was the elliptical trainer for 20 minutes every Sunday mmm where's my cardio so nice guy named Josh picking Dover got off on this crazy workout routine of volume lots of repetitions lots of push-ups Isis sit-ups lots of leg presses but no running mm-hmm and um so anyway heard about it Google the 10 hardest races in the world and what came up was this race for the bad water 135 comfort of it yeah Hearn thirty-five mile run through Death Valley her 30 degrees to the top of Mount Whitney isn't it earth it's to the portal to the portal the portal Mount Whitney starts from the lowest part of the Western Hemisphere into the porter of Mount Whitney and so I found a great foundation Special Operations Warrior Foundation right I see no I'm gonna raise money for these guys but I didn't know that this race was a one-day race other than was the stage I mean I mean it was just for completion yeah that's [ __ ] I mean oh hi Molly if I get two weeks to do this you know whatever so utterly wrong 20 miles was my longest run ever in this year I just got back from Iraq with the free fall school I hadn't done any runnin at all and so called Chris cost when the race director of bad water and he said the qualifier for my race I'll come up on a Wednesday mm-hmm the call you know sort of qualified for my race you got to run a hundred miles in 24 hours or less I was like like that if I could possibly this is crazy man I'm about this world so um he said there's a race because you get a qualifier but there's only two races left pretty much it was that race and then the race called the hurt 100 in Hawaii mm-hmm when the hardest true races in the world I do nothing about that world at all so the first race was on Saturday come upon Wednesday's Saturday it's called the San Diego one day where you run around the one-mile track for 24 hours good god to see me mileage and get yeah I was a big-time knucklehead and I don't even know Joe burns or not I know enduring well him the first so it was a Friday before the it was but three days after I called Chris cost enough Joe burns in the gym working out and I was like you know what man would get hard you know Joe put me through three of my you know all three my help exceed he was the dadgone lead instructor so uh I said you know I'm gonna go get hard with Joe burns he was ever doing heavy squats deadlifts power cleans just grant him a workout and I'm gonna run 200 miles the very next day okay so I go in there unknowing just team guys [ __ ] I'm going to just lift some weights when they're little hard day next morning ten o'clock in the morning I'm out on this track with a blue lawnchair mile Plex and Ritz crackers that's my nutritional plan for 24 hours of running right so um the first 50 miles are fine you know not too bad um how long did that take you know I'm not sure logic but it took me 12 hours to do 70 miles okay I do know that that's pretty good pretty good clip yeah especially for not a runner I was real tapered obviously so but this next 30 miles is with hell week Ranger school while there's nothing whatever the learning experience I got from our 72 my 101 that's when they're getting changed my life forever I thought I had going through all these different crucibles in my life and I'm not at the pinnacle mental toughness as they call it mental toughness whatever you know it like middle toughness is a lifestyle yeah it's not a class yeah so I was here I thought man I'm exactly I'm Way up here mental toughness wise my mind says great miles suddenly I sat down this chair and my nutrition was so bad my my plan was so messed up I sat down and I literally had to go to the bathroom so bad in our bathroom it's 12 hours hmm and that risk cracker was basically a risk cracker ball because you know without the proper water and I'll just jacked up so I sat there and at the time I was married and I couldn't stand up and I couldn't go to the bathroom I basically sat down and took a [ __ ] on myself start peeing blood and uh my ex-wife used to be I'm gonna she's an I don't know what she doing now but she was a nurse and I was in bad shape but I hadn't really gone to bathroom at not like it did afterwards but but I was I was I was pretty bad TMI yeah I was pretty bad but the thing was I couldn't get up my mouth was all messed up but one thing I realized that that kills most people in in any kind of training life this is life period is we get so anxious mm-hmm and in that one or two or three seconds you seize up I caught the one second decision you seize up but you flood you flood the compartment which is your brain of all this [ __ ] the what-ifs oh my god you spaz out and then you quit and once you quit you know you'll be great help us all time in hell week huh 30 130 hours you're getting the first hour they freeze your ass off and you can't comprehend her 30 hours in the [ __ ] you're freezing you're not gonna go home that night Nicky I mean you know you're not gonna isla pasta to get to no pasta meal that night your guess is mine and you can't handle it so I started just learning these processes have calmed my brain down when the worst shake my entire life I've gone 70 miles I've never gone past 20 miles I'm horrible it's a great rewarding feeling but it's also a feeling of of the worst pain had in my life my feet are broken I messed up bad and I had to take this big pile of [ __ ] and slowly start to compartmentalize mm-hmm it was in front of me and the first thing was you can't stand up your blood pressure's messed up so you can't go in there thirty miles they should be under stand up fix that mm-hmm I got around those issues I was able to stand up got on the track again and I was barely making on the track and then this is what changed my life to this day I can't really imagine anything ever topping it and mount 81 my ex-wife looked at me and she said you're not going to you know we're not gonna make this time because I was going like at 37 miles barely getting on the track the shape I was in that mile 70 was worth taking my life I can't say it enough I end up running the next I read a husband one mother in the next 20 miles did it walk another step and I did it in like 18 hours and 56 minutes and what I believe happened to me when my mind body spirit everything for the first time and there's never happened again since that time everything really connected when my mind knew he's not going to quit this race have to do this yes yeah not negotiate nonnegotiable I gave myself no way out mom I said we got we had to find more do you think I mean we talk a lot about spiritual strength as a reserve as it you know it's like a like tapping into life force you know energy that can can flow into you to support your efforts so you've gone beyond just gutting it out gone beyond what your physical body could possibly do so did you feel that energy was that sort of energy and I try not to go there a lot with it yeah I think that's exactly what it was it was something that I can't even my my mind knew we had to find this this guy's not gonna stop right and it was like I willed myself to the finish line I ran 20 miles when I couldn't walk a quarter-mile Harley write about random or easy I can't people what yeah that's what there's no explanation that's what happened right just hey and it was uh he's kind of like saying well how did that woman pick up the car off exactly her son you know she just lifted a friction lift you know 1,000 how did that happen the human mind is the most amazing thing ever that's insane I love that so what are you doing now are you doing a lot of speaking and are you still running these adventure events and trying to break World Records now or what's going on I'm still your big vision right now for your future well right now I'm I had a horrible health issues for the last five years and so worked on that for a while and you think it's related to the extreme training that you did is related to I won't go too deep into it but a lot of it has to do with just uh the body being tight yeah Wow too tight need yoga man in yoga hopes out different things help out so I actually developed some program that I've been doing for a long time that I'll you know that helped me out you know basically now what I do now is um I'm actually gonna hopefully be a smokejumper right on yeah so get back out there again I took some time off to get my health back up get back out to again I still run the crazy races I still train crazy I still believe in embracing the suck I believe in um you know do things that make you not comfortable now you do it to inspire others it seems I do to inspire others but it's also still important for me realize that you haven't arrived right there's no there there yeah you have it like a lot of people who get that some people not a lot who get that try dint know I've made it know I'm with you on that I know not feel like I'm just getting warmed up ya know in my own way but and that was my issue no I haven't arrived I haven't arrived I have a big resume that I'm very proud of but I haven't arrived at all you know what I love we use a quote from the smokejumpers do today whether others well yep do tomorrow what others can the others can't that's right that's killer yeah you know if I could do something right now I don't have time for it because you know my [ __ ] but I would go be a smoke drunkard oh there is and I think fire service is just awesome it is it reminds me you know if you wanted to be a pair of rescue then it's the same difference it's the same thing you know seals go take live seals are awesome but pararescue and smokejumpers and and paramedics fire fighters you know they're first responders to save lives everybody that's such an honorable yep I David you've been one of our most requested guests for the people mind podcast and so Allison had them submit some questions and I got a bunch of questions you cool with that we do a little Q&A here let's do it so these are these are from our bill mind podcast listeners and and some of these are pretty damn good I got a minute it's first one what is your why not wha what is your why why do you do this why do you do what you do um my wanted changes a lot does it it changes a lot but right now my my why right now is to not lose what I have it's not losing I developed to not lose what it took me a lifetime to get where I'm at today mm-hmm and my why is I always want to improve myself to improve other people right you know for a long time there this journey was lonely and as I got to the top of it I realized now looking back how many people are struggling just like me not everybody had I mean I had the tools either I I'd had the tools but I figured a lot of tools out along the way and that was it's always a good job to go back and give the toolbox to people that that can mount yeah nice like that and what was you were you know you've been through some of the most demanding military training you know seals Ranger tak T Delta what were the what was the most important lesson that you learned from the military this is the second question most important there's a lot of the military I would have to say it's kind of - it's teamwork it's very important but there's something much more than that now if you are not a good individual if so team is everything but in that team that saver boat crew of six people you have to be a very strong individual and don't always look to be led right and when times are [ __ ] disgustingly hard that's when that that's that's what I learned I learned it's when it's those times when even the hardest [ __ ] in the world are looking around for guidance it's that one love if that one [ __ ] mm-hmm be that one [ __ ] be that guy be that one [ __ ] when even you're saying yourself boy this [ __ ] sucks I don't want to [ __ ] be here right now and looking at all the guys around you and you've seen it yeah oh yeah the eyes just go down like [ __ ] man get the [ __ ] out of here it's just brutal be that guy who finds the [ __ ] courage to say no what man but students let's do this so that's what you that's the one big thing I learned be that could be that one other warriors be the one [ __ ] that says [ __ ] yeah the one guy what we got the other uh-uh was it hard [ __ ] be the hardest of them all yeah that's what I realized very cool Jesse isler wrote a book living with a seal turns out that was you yes he says he learned something from learn some things from you what did you learn from him I get that question a lot but what I've learned from Jesse Hitler what I learned from Jesse is learning I hope that people don't take this the wrong way but I'm a pretty straightforward guy about myself and everybody else that's involved it's [ __ ] real hard to get uncivilized when you're civilized hmm once you've gone to that place where you have everything a man could one mm-hmm trying to go back into the [ __ ] gutter because the gutters were you [ __ ] get hard mm-hmm you don't get [ __ ] hard outside the [ __ ] gutter you get hard in the sewer so so taking a person and that's why I realized to myself I cannot my life is good right now but I can't let it be too good every I have to remind myself that these calluses on my hands come from hard work and the second your hands get soft everything else gets soft wisdom by stand by it's coming so what I learned is like you can have too much you can't have too much and your mind goes with it mm-hmm your mind goes with it yeah the warrior travels light and its rightful simple right and does the work every day every day that's really interesting there is a huge kind of movement toward you know weekend warriors and we have a ton of people coming to seal fit events and you know even with our 50 our Kokoro camp only 30 percent of the guys were making it through right and I think you just identified that's why because it may be inspiring but man it's work you got to do the work everybody's looking for the 6-minute ab routine right everyone wants to see you know what can I run a hundred miles tomorrow can I can I achieve this tomorrow can I achieve that today how about this let's compromise I want to lose weight but I need to keep my cappuccino how the [ __ ] [ __ ] works man know how it works yeah well I people lose weight those ways is this it's not another thing I lose it for real yeah so what's your daily routine look like right now pretty easy this is every day of my life I wake up I eat a little something small a little protein something go off my run come back go back to the gym after the gym I start my daily routine of let's talk about the run in the gym rep okay what's the run like the run is minimum eight miles okay a maximum of 30 miles nice so base and you got a plan you know that's not like I think I'll do eight today right it's a very done it and then I'll come back I will do my gym workout which is an upper body lower body routine usually I won't go too deep into it but I believe in a calisthenics and also weight training yeah I believe in being the most dangerous person on the planet yeah of course that could run a hundred miles by faster that's right okay mouths can you dim it five fifty can you do five fifty push or pull ups dead hang he do a hundred push-ups you know so I believe it'd be the best it'll be different categories and think people say it's impossible to do that stuff it's not just takes a lot more work right okay so then after your gym workout what's next at the gym workout I do work as far as like we have the workers for the day and that varies a lot of times now it's studying four different classes trying to get the whole mental thing on always and then at night time every single night I stretch out these two hours two hours at least two hours a night this is happening in for five years I've missed two nights in five years do you do anything while you're doing your stretching listen to a podcast watch TV read a book do that I do lot of thinking I'm thinking breathing thinking yeah journaling with you when you do it I've done of my life for the last since 2005 nice yeah yeah I like that it's good routine now that's a single person's routine how is it going to change when you're married I'm pretty much married now okay Oh beautiful fiance over there looking at me there's a Grayson for this answer right first I've kept the same routine so I had to find so so had to find someone that was coz one thing I don't want to ever do in my life is I believe in the whole compromise then you got it all this relationship stuff whatever but I also believe in I really not compromising your vest cause like Who I am yeah I like Who I am and if I'm not gonna compromise that for anybody whatever I've worked too [ __ ] hard to finally get somewhere try him look in the mirror and I'm like [ __ ] man I'm not proud of this so what's your nutrition plan it varies with my mileage mm-hmm so if I'm running a hundred miles a week that carbohydrate intake with with the good fats Rises high mm-hmm right now I'm I'm my mouth start to go back up but my protein intake is very important I believe in having the good muscle to get muscle tooktook so I'm really big in the protein right now so my my protein is real high and it varies as I do think I'm a big calorie counter I'm so let's say I go out and run ten miles I know ten miles on flat ground I've burned about eleven hundred and eighty calories on flat ground mm-hmm at 7:15 you try to use any app or like Fitbit type I have I have a garment by use different kind of apps or whatever so I of a garment but I've now been trained like this for years so just have my own little science and so all this diet stuff it comes with knowing yourself right no one have your body metabolizes with different stuff but stuff works good in your gut your GI system and so for me I'm taking the calories that lost first thing I do over to two meals mm-hmm plus I get back mm-hmm and then I start to protein back up again I get the car so you don't be kid like just the healthy carbs that right healthy car you're not eating junk just know it's not checking the cars back in me then I'm back home have you have you experiment and all with ketosis ketogenesis I have done a lot of research on it for how I travel what stuff it's too tough Tim to stick to that right now yeah I got it so hello little gagas gagging so diet Goggins or diet there you go so yeah it works good awesome one last question so you inspire a ton of people who are you inspired by it's funny man and people may hear this and say man you are a cocky ass dude take it the right way mm-hmm your heroes will let you down hmm interesting your heroes will let you down one person that you can switch and change is yourself mm-hmm holding yourself accountable you being your own [ __ ] hero with means is look at yourself in the [ __ ] mirror and you're not gonna be Tiger Woods you're not gonna be whoever the [ __ ] else you want to be wherever your hero is they're gonna let you down trust me they will we're human beings and you cannot be them you're not then you gotta find your best self and in doing that stop reading books about other people stop doing this but people spend time with yourself spend time with yourself create your own super being now create your own rocky create your own Rambo create your own superhero and what that means is I'm my own role model yeah because when I'm [ __ ] up I'm looking to marys and you're [ __ ] up and we gotta fix this now I can't call up somebody and say hey man you really let me down mm-hmm so I that's how I believe I believe in being your own hero and also write in your own book yeah write your own book and my big thing is um if not changing the life not doing [ __ ] with your life and if you run the deathbed and I said you sat down and no one knew who Mark Devine was no one knew you from Adam but you've been writing a book in this joint right here for a last let's say diet 90 years old and you're in a hospital and a kid comes in to see mark Devine you'll know the kid a kid doesn't know you just came in to see you and you gave the kid a [ __ ] book hmm about your life would that book change this [ __ ] life for the better mm-hmm if you can't say that [ __ ] you need to start [ __ ] rewrite another [ __ ] book yeah and people change off of hard work dedication sacrifice and suffering that's where that change comes from friend so that's 2 out of that be your own hero I love that I agree with you a hundred percent become your own storyteller write your own script that's it and just you know there is no last chapter no never until you're on the deficit that's right that's right and you're still trying to [ __ ] right exactly [ __ ] yeah I got it chapter man awesome David yeah well thanks so much Bruce yeah you rock we really appreciate your time maybe she will come back do this again I know you're in the book and no thank you we'll get that out there and people need to read that read your story appreciate thank you so much for having hey this is Mark Devine thanks very much for watching the unbeatable mind podcast on YouTube you can also find the podcast at itunes stitcher SoundCloud Google Play and under below mine calm slash podcast be sure to check out the new episode released every week who young

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