Welcome to Sad Boyz, a podcast
about feelings and other things also. - I'm Jarvis.
- I'm Jordan. And today, we're joined
by a wonderful guest, - Michelle Khare.
- Hey, Sad Boyz and Girl. - And Girl. Michelle Khare –
- That's me, or...? - No...
- Oh, you're the sad girl. - Sad girl, sad boyz.
- Makes more sense. - Yes.
- Michelle Khare, if you are not familiar, - is the most powerful person I know.
- What the hell? I don't know if you've ever
been described that way, but you are very physically strong,
you are very mentally strong... You lifted us up by our necks
when you walked in. Yeah, that's how I greet people. You were kind of an X-Man in that regard. You did it telepathically. Uh, Michelle Khare, YouTube star, content creator,
host extraordinaire, professional athlete?
Can we call you that? - I was, yes.
- [JARVIS] You were. And now I think you're
even more professional at many different things. I'm a professional
jack-of-all-trades, I suppose. - There you go.
- Not really that great at anything, but... - Is that what we...? Oh, great.
- Yeah, finally. We were looking for a way
to describe it, and – What about if I'm
bad at most things? - Well...
- Yeah, not really good at anything at all. A joker. - How's it going?
- I'm great. I'm so excited. We're gonna fight next week!
I'm sorry; we have to fucking say that. That's crazy! Not each other. Not each other. That would – I would be destroyed. I would poof into dust.
You would never hear from me again. Yeah, you'd fly away like Team Rocket,
make a little "ding" in the sky. Yeah, "I'm blasting off again." - Creator Clash is next week.
- Yeah. This is – I don't know about for you, but for me this is like
the last hard week of fight camp. - Yeah.
- Because you gotta recharge a little bit and be at your, you know, fullest, most rested, uh, self for the actual fight, which is on the 15th of April.
We're recording this on the 4th. How are you feeling?
I have been training for the better part of a year, because I found out at the last
Creator Clash I was going to start. You've known for a year? - More or less.
- That's amazing. I didn't start training
for a few months, but... Ooh, downplay it, OK. I was able to – you know,
from a technique standpoint... He's cheated. I mean,
we can just say it. It's fine. Actually my arm is, uh, mechanical now. - [robotic noise]
- Yeah, you just had time for all the surgery in the world. Arin punches you,
and your head doesn't move. - Yeah.
- Oh my god, - that visual's scary.
- My face flap falls down to reveal my Terminator steel skull. Game Grumps. But you were not a last-last-minute addition, but you've been called up
on relatively short notice. Relatively, compared to everybody else.
I mean, I haven't known for a year. There was, unfortunately,
Ididathing, um, was not able to compete, had an injury, and you were called up to... Um... wait, how do I wanna phrase this? You were... ...the... you were the only... - hero that could potentially...
- Person crazy enough to do it. That could potentially
face Andrea Botez. Yeah. I mean, big props to her as well.
I mean, this is crazy. I saw her – I mean, she fought with 3 weeks
of training at chessboxing, and I saw that event. I was there. - And I was super impressed with her.
- [JORDAN] That was one of the wilder ones. - Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
- Yeah, I've heard - she's very tenacious.
- She can't be killed. I mean, I don't mean to scare you,
but she's... Yeah, she has got a lot of secrets,
I'm sure, in store for you. What secrets do you know?
It sounds like you've been talking to her. Well, I'm secretly training her.
I'm gonna be in her corner. I'm gonna be like her coach, actually. She's using huge gloves. - Like, the size of you.
- Yeah, the biggest. - She's using 55-oz gloves.
- [MICHELLE] Amazing. So, you heeded the call
very relatively recently. But I do understand that you were working on a boxing video. - Yes.
- Was that before, or...? Yeah. So, basically, on my channel I do Challenge Accepted, where basically I choose a different sport or profession or lifestyle to assume and, like, try to obtain the lifestyle of
for an extended period of time. You saw the Try Guys, and you were like,
"These weaklings. I'm gonna..." - I love the Try Guys.
- We love the Try Guys, too. "They have to work together to do it? - How about Try Girl, singular?"
- "Try Girl, just one, and I'm gonna do it harder,
better, faster, stronger." - You're never gonna see Zach,
- Oh, yeah. like, uh, in a burning building, OK? Hey, look, we love those guys. But like you said before
we started recording, Keith's a piece of shit. - I would never say that!
- And don't even get me started on Eugene. I'm not even gonna joke about that. Uh, no, we're joking.
Zach has been on the show. Uh, we did delete it. - I think that was the livestreaming era.
- [MICHELLE] Oh, OK. It was an episode
that didn't come out because it was during the
livestreaming era, - so it still exists on a hard drive.
- [MICHELLE] Oh my god. I think we're releasing a lot of those
on the Patreon, actually. We are, we are. Patreon.com/SadBoyz. Yeah. Come on, Patreon. But I don't wanna undersell – and I know you've got
a full pitch for this. I did listen to the
Colin and Samir episode, but... The amount of physical stress and strain you put
yourself through on a regular basis is commendable, to say the least. - Well, thank you.
- And I want nothing to do with it, - and how dare you.
- You're literally doing this next week. I mean, yeah, and it's awful. With intent to crank it way down
after the fight, right? Yeah, but you were like – Like, did you train this morning? - When do you – ?
- Well, yeah. You made me wake up early today. - Yeah.
- You have been training, right? Yeah, I don't know why
I said that like a "gotcha." I'm sparring tonight. But, uh, no, I get the vibe that you are, like, having to juggle a lot of things
at once a lot. Yeah. I mean, I think we all are. I mean, I feel like I have
a fortunate advantage, in the sense that, like,
I've been an athlete, and my channel is about me balancing running a channel - and also doing this.
- [JARVIS] Right. Adaptability is, like,
pretty essential, right? Yeah. Some of the things I think
people probably went through when they agreed to do Creator Clash, like, "How do I wake up early
and then go to work after this? Who's gonna be doing my tasks for me
when I'm really freaking tired?" I already have systems
for that put in place. - [JARVIS] Which are really valuable.
- Which is a huge privilege. I think that that is something
I can relate to as well, because if I had done something
like Creator Clash a couple of years ago, it would have destroyed my life and I wouldn't have gotten
anything done in the meantime. But I think Jordan and I were just talking,
like, the fact that I'm able to still, like, train for this, and there's a bunch of personal stuff
that's been going on, I'm, like, fostering a dog,
we've got the podcast, I'm still putting out things
on my second channel. I'm taking a break
from my main channel. I'm gonna bring that back
after Creator Clash. But overall, um, that is only possible because of building out those systems. - Yeah.
- [JORDAN] The infrastructure is... There's a reason companies
have employees, right? Granted, sometimes too many or too little, or it's hard to optimize for.
But I think when something is as essential as consistency - Mmhmm.
- and something you care about, And then there's another thing
you have to care about and prioritize, I assume it's maybe not to this extreme; it's probably a little bit
like having a kid, no? Where all the things you
were doing before have to stay, but now there's this new, huge obligation. - Huge.
- They say parenting is the hardest job, but I'd actually say
it's being an influencer. Yeah. I think it goes
oil drilling in the sea, - Yeah.
- being an influencer and punching, and then, like, way down, "ooh, mother." - "Mother," "Wah, wah, I'm a baby."
- Pregnancy, labor, delivery. - Whatever. Shut up. Easy.
- "Oh, I'm giving birth." Come on. - Did it.
- I stubbed my toe. So, but you were working
on a boxing video. I heard you mention it
in the Colin and Samir thing. Yeah. So, basically, what happened is ironically, by coincidence,
last year I was like, - "Everybody's doing boxing."
- Right. "Maybe I'll do a boxing
Challenge Accepted." "It can't be that hard to get
into an event, right?" Like, "Everybody's
doing these events." "I could deliberately
injure Ididathing." You're like, "I could fight KSI.
What's the big deal?" I really underestimated the difficulty of finding,
like, the right match-up. - Right.
- The right match-up is everything, right? 'Cause you have to find someone - same height, weight, ability level.
- [JARVIS] Right. And then in our case,
they have to have a certain following. Like, we're really trying to hit this
really freaking narrow bullseye. I was like, "You know what? I'm –" And I didn't realize that at the time,
so I started training with Tony Jeffries, - who's an Olympic bronze medalist.
- [JARVIS] Hell yeah. He's amazing. And we did, like, a fight camp of sorts. But then I didn't get a fight. And basically, after like
10 to 12 weeks of that, you know, you get to a certain point, and in fight camp, you can only do
so much if you don't have an opponent. - Right.
- Like hard sparring, for example, literally does not make sense to do
unless you're actually gonna do a fight, - 'cause it's so dangerous.
- I was gonna say, yeah. - Yeah. So, like, I –
- And I imagine finding an opponent... That, like, yeah, hard sparring is tough, because the opponents of your size – It's hard to probably find somebody
of the right ability level, too. - Yeah.
- There are pros at the gym I work at, - [MICHELLE] Of course.
- who, you know, can't really hard spar with any of the Creator Clash fighters, but it's more like,
"Oh, you're enough size, so this person can work with you."
And you can, like, learn from that, and that's a valuable experience,
but actually, like, going all out is really tough. If you're trying to lose
like 8 pounds by the summer, you don't need to get
punched at full power. Exactly. So, we're doing this thing, this fight camp or
whatever you wanna call it, and, I mean, it's hard. Hard work last spring. Um, he totally kicked my ass. But you know, at the same time,
like I was saying, you can only go so far. And then
when I eventually didn't get a fight, Creator Clash 1 came and went, I was like, "Well, this is really expensive - and really time-consuming."
- It is really expensive. And I was just like, "You know what?
I think I need a break from all of this." And then at that point – The reason I wanted
to try and find a fight in the spring, ideally, of last year was because I was
getting married in October. And I was like, "You know, if something happens and I need surgery, - I don't really wanna impact that."
- Oh my goodness, yeah. So, by the time the
end of spring came around, I was like, "This is not
a good idea right now," given the other commitments.
So, then I went on and did other projects. I ran a marathon,
did a bunch of other things. - Just casual stuff.
- Useless for boxing. "What, now I have incredible cardio?
What's the fucking point?" We're not gonna be
running a marathon in there. - "Won a Nobel Peace Prize."
- No one's punching you in the head - when you're running a marathon.
- Yeah. Maybe for you. "Oh great, I flew to the moon.
Fucking whatever." And then, I mean, planning a wedding is its own beast in and of itself. - So, I was swamped with that.
- It's somewhere, like, right under - being an influencer, I think.
- Or the other ones, oil drilling, yeah. Yeah, right above labor and delivery
for birth, I think, you know? - Right, is just the wedding planning.
- It's way harder than that, but... - SEAL Team 7.
- Yeah. Yeah, it's like, "Oh, you're booked out
for how many years?" Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, throughout this year, even though I'm not, like, - training consistently –
- [JARVIS] Right. Obviously, I'm doing other things. And I was still like, "Hey," like, I talked to Ian and Anisa
about Creator Clash 2, and there a couple people's names
who were floating in and out, and then they came and went
for various reasons, or injuries or personal reasons. Yeah, there's so many things like that. So many things. Like, people
do not realize that it's not just, like like, it is so hard to
find the right opponent. Yeah, and anything could go wrong. Anything, as evidenced by
what happened this year - with Ididathing.
- Right. And just, like, countless... Like, I injured my back
a couple months ago, where I was like, "Is this gonna
become more of a thing?" I, like, started going
to physical therapy and, like, working through that,
making sure that I could – - More time and effort and expense.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. Yeah, and I'm like,
"Oh, can I even – ?" It's not a matter of
affecting my normal life, but in terms of training intensely and putting my body through
a lot of physical strain, I don't wanna also have an injury that I'm putting myself at potential
long-term risk for, right? - Yeah, absolutely.
- So there's a lot of challenges that, even when people make it to the fight, they've probably gone through the ringer. - Yeah.
- Is it catchweight? Like, how much leniency is there? - [MICHELLE] 10 pounds.
- 10 pounds for this fight, yeah. - Yeah, which is pretty big.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. This would never happen - in a professional –
- 10 pounds is the difference. - Like, you could kill someone.
- And I'm – That's like a pug, you know what I mean? The other person would have to
bring a dachshund into the fight. Yeah. If you... if you, um, are underweight, you can bring a border collie to kind of offset, - and you can teach him to attack.
- Yeah. Well, I'm not scheduled yet. Ian has not replied to the DM, but I'm fighting 4 toddlers. - [JARVIS] They're all stacked.
- In a trench coat. Oh my god, that's why they're so tall. I was wondering
how they made it to 6'3". - Yeah.
- I'm fighting a Chinese dragon - full of different performers.
- Yeah. Yeah, but then, basically, I had the wedding in October, and then... Anyone, I did not realize the amount of fatigue that whole thing brings, by the way. - It's wild.
- [MICHELLE] Crazy! - Training, or the wedding? Both?
- Oh, wedding. - [MICHELLE] Wedding, for sure.
- It is a lot of emotional effort. Yeah, and the planning. Like, just the whole thing
is fucking crazy. But, you know, obviously
a very special life event. It was the best day of my life;
I'm not gonna lie. And we were gonna congratulate you, but... - Oh, thank you.
- We don't wanna let that pass. But, I mean, throughout this entire year,
because it was so much up-and-down, and so much, like, "OK, I'm gonna try,"
and then "I'm gonna not," like, "What am I investing in here?" I kind of, like, gave up on the idea. - [JARVIS] Right.
- And literally, I'm not kidding, we were about to release the video
of me just doing this, like, 10-week thing with Tony in December. - Wow.
- The full thing was edited. We watched it, and I was like, "Nah, I have to fight somebody." - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- This is not the right... - It doesn't pay off.
- It doesn't. The challenge is
fighting someone. Like, there was this
whole storyline of, like, "Ah, finding a fight is really hard."
I'm like, "No one's gonna get it. - Nobody's gonna get this."
- [JARVIS] Yeah. Um, and it was right around the time
that the chessboxing event happened. And I was so blown away by the reception
of that whole thing. - Yeah, it was cool.
- And, I mean, Andrea and Dina, fight of the night, period. I tweeted this.
I was like, "This was incredible." And it was the most viewed part
of the entire livestream. It was incredible for so many reasons, because the pre – I don't know how this
presented on the stream, but being there, it was just like
they played these pre-fight videos. And Dina had the wildest trash-talk, like, and then was tweeting, like, "I hope you have a podcast, 'cause that's the only thing you'll
be able to do after I fuck up your face." I was like, "Oh my god." Wow. Yeah. Yeah, dude she was like "Sugar" Sean. - She was so cheeky.
- I was a little bit rooting against Dina, because I was like,
"This trash-talk feels mean," - Yeah.
- But they're friends. Everything's fine. - But, like –
- It's the game. It's the game. But in the moment of being sort of on the floor,
watching the fight, I was like, "Oh, I want Andrea
to come out and just, like..." And she's also the person I knew,
'cause I, like, met her, you know, last year sometime. And so when she came out, it was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah!" And then there was
the whole arc of, like, the fight not going her way, - and everybody was like, "What?"
- Mm. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then - they retracted it after.
- [JARVIS] They reversed it, yeah. And that was the whole thing,
because were all in, like, the backstage area.
I talked to her after the fight. She, obviously, was like
a super-good sport about it. But everybody – and, you know,
her sister, on the other hand, was like, "This is bullshit,"
and I was like, "This is bullshit," 'cause her sister was right next to me
and we were, like, high-fiving. - I love it. That's amazing.
- He was, yeah, the surrogate right person. Like, you're not saying anything out loud,
but like nice and clear, and yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, they're great,
um, Alexandra and Andrea Botez. Andrea. Sorry; there's so many
different ways to pronounce that name. Are you 2 in contact right now at all, or it's like separation of church and state, - you don't wanna chat?
- What's interesting about our situation - is that we created the situation, unlike,
- [JARVIS] Mm. you know, I think a lot of fighters come – or are approached, maybe,
by an Ian and Anisa, or come to them, like,
"Hey, I wanna do this," - And then they find the match-up.
- Yeah. And in our situation, it was a, "Hey... do you think we could, like, see if we could, like, get in this thing?"
You know what I mean? With her coming fresh
out of her fight camp, and, you know, tweeting at Creator Clash,
"I wanna do this," I was like, - "Well, maybe." I mean, like...
- [JARVIS] Right. There are very few people who would do this
on this short of notice, I think. And the stars really sound like
they're aligning, because you weren't coming from complete 0. - Correct.
- [JARVIS] You had some training. - Yeah, absolutely.
- If you were learning to throw a punch, - In December, yeah.
- like, in December, that's tough. [MICHELLE] A different story, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, like – I think there – What's really hard to explain is the insane difference, miles of difference between hitting the mitts and applying that
when you're getting punched in the face. Oh my god, there's – a million things
are happening at once. It's like those are two
completely different things. It's like playing StarCraft, where there's so many things happening, - Yeah.
- And you can't possibly, like – That's my dry-cleaning. Thank you. - Oh my god, it's Arin.
- Yeah. Oh, let me see –
(slow-mo punch sound effect) Um, the first few times I sparred, I was like, "I know
what I'm supposed to do, - but I can't think fast enough."
- Oh, yeah. - And then I close up into a little ball.
- Yeah. - And you saw that happen.
- It's extremely emotional. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- It's scary. You get hit hard
and your equilibrium's gone, and you have to try and recover,
while also still boxing and blocking. And your coach is like,
"Just do a 1-2-1," and you're like, - "What am I doing?"
- Yeah. "Remember your training," - and you're like, "Who are you?"
- Yeah. - "Everything is out the window right now."
- "Which one am I? Am I Michelle?" So, yeah. It's this
really interesting situation, where, yes, I had done
a version of boxing training way earlier in the year, and then she was coming fresh off this. And, you know, there's this whole thing – we even had this conversation where it's like, "Well, there's still a height and weight
difference between us," you know? Are you gaining? I technically am gaining,
and she's coming down. - [J & J] Mmhmm.
- And we're gonna land right in that, - that 10-pound thing.
- [JARVIS] That sweet spot. And then, of course, I'm gonna pee after
and she's gonna eat after, so - Right. You're gonna pick back up the pug.
- So, we'll see what happens, but yeah. But, um, I... I think, like, each of us had to really sit with, like, it's impossible to have
a perfect situation. A perfect situation, yeah. And that's something I kind of realized
throughout the year, because I I was really looking for, like,
"I need a person who is 115 and 5'2" and this and that and whatever," and all these other things.
And I was like, "You know what?
I really have to overcome... - this."
- Yeah. - If this is the opportunity, let's go.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. And I've really gotta hand it
to Andrea, because, like... we... You know, what's interesting is I feel like
most people who are fighting each other, it is this, you know, separation of church and state,
"We're not gonna talk," and stuff. We literally got on
a Zoom call and were like, "OK, what piece of content
are we gonna make?" "Let's get together and shoot a poster," because, you know, - we wanted a fucking epic poster.
- Yeah, that's awesome. It was very clear, 'cause I was doing... I'm doing Creator Clash as kind of not content, a little bit. - That's better, honestly.
- Well, no, for me it's more like - this is a personal challenge.
- [MICHELLE] I love that. And it just doesn't align with anything, but I just wanted to
shake my life up a little bit. And when I saw the stuff
that you guys were doing, I was like, "Yes. That's good. I like that. I didn't do that.
I'm glad someone did." Yeah. I mean, this is not normal. - We met in person to have a discussion
- [JARVIS] Right. - about this whole thing.
- You're like Floyd Mayweather and, like, Logan Paul going to a meeting and being like, "All right,
how are we gonna make millions of dollars?" Except it's for charity. And obviously,
we're both intelligent people. She's a chess player. - We're, like...
- [JORDAN] You're a boxer. There are things we're not sharing. - We're not telling each other everything.
- Imperfect information. But, you know, I mean, it's like, um – Yeah, we did a full shoot day together
to shoot our announcement video. Um, my team shot a lot of her stuff. - Her team edited some of this.
- [JARVIS] Right, right. Like, I feel really blessed that... It's interesting that
I feel like we have been... In a way – I – I'm not – There's no way to say that we've been
collaborators, to a certain extent. We're gonna punch each other
in the face next week. But, like, all things considered, it's been a really positive experience, - for me at least, so...
- [JARVIS] Yeah. Not gonna be on April 15th
for Andrea, but whatever. - Ayy, let's go.
- Nice, you're gonna kill her. - You're gonna just punch her to death.
- That's – I mean, that – I've had a similarly positive experience. I think that, like, my coach – We'll probably have him
on the show at some point, - maybe after the fight.
- [MICHELLE] You should. Just because he has an
interesting background, you know, he was like
a pro boxer, like, sort of had some injuries, was trying to
decide what he wanted to do, you know, with his career, found coaching. And he has a really good network.
He's really good. He trained Michael Reeves
for Creator Clash. - Michael Reeves kicked ass.
- Ooh, you got that guy! Wow. - [JARVIS] Literally, that was the one –
- The Golden Gloves guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They asked me
if I wanted to do it. They were like, "Here are
your trainer options." I was like, "If I can get Michael Reeves's
coach, I'll do it." - [JORDAN] "I'll take Michael Reeves."
- I can't wait to see you just swerve your head
like a cyclone around everything. I know. That is a thing.
Head movement's big. And I feel like that's
one of the things where it was in the APM of, like, - "I need to remember to do this,"
- [JORDAN] Mmhmm. but eventually it becomes second nature. - [MICHELLE] Mmhmm.
- You know? But you can tell, especially with chessboxing, because people did not have
as much time to train, there's some stuff that takes time.
Defense takes time. That's why you saw a lot of
the meta for chessboxing - was just to bum-rush your opponent
- Yeah, or, like, brawl. [JARVIS] Yeah, exactly. Where, um... And a lot of people were planted. Their feet were planted;
they weren't moving. They were kind of a sitting target, and it was just like,
"Oh, I guess I'll just do this." 'Cause that – when you're on the mitts, - that's what...
- [JARVIS] That's what you do. - A lot of times, it is.
- That's how you start, you know? And so you have to
layer things in, you know? Yeah, I haven't done combat sports, 'cause my fists are lethal weapons,
so I'm not allowed to. Yeah, no, legally. You would be deported. Well, after what I did –
the event, the incident. The incident, yeah. Let's just say there's a reason
Osama's not around anymore. - Yeah, that's true.
- SEAL Team 7 was the real one. - SEAL Team 7, SEAL Team 1, "It was me."
- That was me. But it sounds a lot like – The closest, maybe, is like swimming. I was a swimmer in college, and there are really, really bad habits that come from default strokes. So, if you do front crawl, for example, people often will go, like, left, right, left, right, with their head
to breathe on either side. And also, they won't wear earplugs, which just gives people tinnitus, 'cause
your ears are smacking against the water. But the habit of holding your breath is so common, because
people are used to just going as far as they can. Maybe this is a marathon thing, as well. You're optimizing for how much
you've just run in life. Like, "Well, if I've gone
swimming casually, then I just swim. And when I'm tired,
I take a moment." - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- Whereas if you're going to do... like, 20 lengths and there's someone else
or you're in a time trial, you need not just cardio, but, like, to manage your breathing in a way
that you don't have to in real life, right? - Oh.
- You can't – like, You have to exhale for
extra strength on contact, right? You are kind of
hitting the nail on the head, because it is very common, and I am guilty of this, especially early on,
to just hold your breath - [JARVIS] when you're throwing punches.
- Mmhmm. Where you're inside, because you just – It's a thing you have to
think about, and you're like, "Oh, suddenly I'm gasping
for breath. I need to... Uh-oh, whoops. I made a mistake.
Now I'm lightheaded." [JORDAN] Well, if we were, uh, Neanderthals and there was a sabertooth, the last thing you'd want is
to have no inhale, for all of your oxygen to be out
and then something jumps at you while you have no strength
and you have to gasp in. Also, it's like aerobic
vs. anaerobic exercise, right? - Mmhmm, constantly.
- So, sprinting – Sprinting is – hold on – anaerobic? Is that the one where you don't breathe? Sprinting, you're not really,
you know, like – And then long-distance running,
you're like – I know you breathe during it, but –
do y'all know what I'm talking about? - I think it's anaerobic, no?
- Yeah, like the difference between, like, VO₂ max heart rate
vs. endurance heart rate. Yeah, 'cause VO₂ max is like your... like, the capacity for oxygennnnn... stuff? I don't know enough. - I took a health class 10 years ago.
- It's been a long time. - Um, but – what was I gonna say?
- It's called StarCraft. Anyway, we were talking about – Yeah, it's different, actually, - like, sparring vs. hitting the mitts.
- Huge difference, yeah. The one thing that I wanted to say about finding a perfect fight
and a perfect match-up is the funniest evidence
of what you're describing is there are these older dudes
at boxing gyms. They've been around the block.
They've probably trained people. They're probably in some sort of
fight circuit somewhere. The amount of times that
I've been looked up and down and someone goes, "I got a fight for you," - or they're like – my coach is like,
- What the hell? "We can get him in over here."
- That's crazy. And I'm like – "Is he heavyweight? Yeah? 6'1"? OK. Yeah, we can get –" And then my coach is like,
"You can't get him anywhere. - He's got a fight. Leave us alone."
- Yeah. It's almost like you're being sold, - on, like, the market.
- You're being showered with opportunity. Yeah, that's one way to look at it;
"objectified" is another way. - [MICHELLE] Ohhh.
- You know? Where they're like, "Hmm. OK, yeah, I could work with that." Like, "What do you mean, 'work with that'?
I don't know you. Leave me alone." - They're touching your teeth.
- Yeah. I have to do a lot of, um, foam roller stuff for my back,
like, as a pre-workout. And it's like during that moment, a guy
will just look over at me and be like... - "Yeah, we can get you in somewhere."
- Oh my god. - [JARVIS] I didn't ask or want that.
- Yeah. Is boxing specifically something
you would want to keep up afterwards? 'Cause now it's been
like a priority for so long. You know, honestly, I am gonna, uh, drink a margarita after - and then make a decision.
- Are you allowed to have hobbies, given – I feel like you are juggling
so many things. Do you make time for yourself? I know you take off weekends, which I think is a very smart thing to do. Well, with the exception of now,
I'm boxing, but... That, actually, you know what's weird? So, I have a big training day
typically on Sundays, and it feels so nice, 'cause I
don't have to go to work after. - Oh, yeah.
- [MICHELLE] That feels really nice. - [JORDAN] Do you always do mornings?
- Um... Well, now we're doing two-a-days,
so like morning and evening, I guess. No, I shifted a lot of my boxing stuff to evenings, because the morning-time, I need to do a lot of brain work,
you know what I mean? - Yeah.
- It's like where I can feel sharp and be on camera and stuff like that. Well, there's this false reality
from the Rocky and Creed movies of, like, "Get up at 4:00
and do the thing." You can still do the
same workout at 10:00 AM - and it works, you know?
- Right. - [MICHELLE] With more sleep, and...
- Yeah. - It's about fitting everything in.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's been a whirlwind, because she and I talked
on the phone in December, and even then it was like there wasn't a spot in Creator Clash 2. And we're just kind of like,
"Well, I guess we'll both, like..." I was like, "Well, I'll start going back to the boxing
gym and kicking things up maybe a couple times a week,"
and she did too. So, this was just sort of
hearing about Creator Clash 2. You were like... Well, not hearing about it,
necessarily, but like, "Hey, maybe we could try to do this
together for some event, whether it's Creator Clash
or another opportunity." And so I was like, "Well, I guess we'll kind of start training." But it wasn't until the new year
where it was like, "OK, go time, Avengers assemble," 6 days a week 2-a-days,
you know what I mean? Yeah. I remember seeing you... So, we met at the Streamys - in person for the first time.
- I was really flattered - when you came up to me at the afterparty.
- [JARVIS] Oh, yeah. - Like, "Oh my god, it's Eddy and Jarvis."
- You asked where the restrooms were. You were like, "Hey, can I get a drink?" Um, and then the next time I saw you was we were doing, like,
a media day for Creator Clash. Was it – it just so happened - to be at the gym that you train out of? -
- It does. So, the media day that everyone saw on Twitch occurs at the gym I was training at. This was before we knew
the fight was confirmed. So, I just show up for, like, normal training and, like,
"Oh my god, everybody's here." - Literally, I walk in –
- This was before the fight was...? [MICHELLE] Before it was confirmed.
This was in the limbo time when Andrea and I were like, "We think this could happen,
but I don't know," so we're like... And there was murmurs sort of
on the backend of, like, "This would be the fight
to replace this other fight, if this other fight didn't happen." Because it was like, "Uh-oh."
It kinda goes from, like, "Uh-oh, there's a problem, what is our backup plan?" And then, "OK, this reality came to pass. OK, now we need to confirm
that we're swapping this in." But for this media day, I remember, like, I parked; I walk over. The first thing I see is Michelle [JARVIS] going on these ropes. And I was like, "Is that Michelle Khare?
What? What's she doing here?" Well, because everyone
was in the media room, everyone for the media day had
taken over the main part of the gym. So, my coach was like, "Let's just go in this corner
and do this thing." - So, I was awkwardly doing my own shit.
- Yeah. It was so funny, 'cause I just kept looking over, and she was doing the most
intense workout I've ever seen. And meanwhile, we're just trying
to look pretty at the camera. Hello there, friends. We're having a grand old time over here on Patreon.com/SadBoyz. We're doing a little bonus episode. It is happening right after
you finish listening to this one. - Jordan's here.
- Hi. I'm on the show, too. Go ahead and check it out,
Patreon.com/SadBoyz. Now, back to the show. - [MICHELLE] I'm excited.
- Reckon you'll, like, live? - Huh?
- You reckon you'll survive the fight? - Oh, yeah. I'm extremely confident.
- [JARVIS] Ooh, I like that. You're the most, um, alpha person I know. I say it in a complimentary way. Like, uh, I think a "type-A personality" is used in a derogatory way, - but you seem so on top –
- Oh, I definitely am. I'm a Leo, so... Yeah, you're very on top of things. You're very put together. Um, and it's something
that I respect about you, because it is not how I am. Uh, disagree. You sent me
a Google Calendar invite - for this event today.
- It's a huge step in the right direction. My thing is all of my systems are to combat the way that I naturally am. Yeah, in spite of the way that we are, - we have, like, systems.
- Being successful professionally required me to, like, learn skills, - and those are things I have to apply.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. It's like we sent an e-mail today
to, like, a venue, - 'cause we wanna do a live show.
- (squeals) That's exciting. I texted Jordan, and I was like, uh, like, "we worked in industry
for how many years, and all I got was this lousy ability to
write a professional e-mail," - you know what I mean?
- Literally, it's also so gratifying, especially now, 'cause I don't
get to indulge in it much. But for brand deals, I built my own little – I have,
like, a formula spreadsheet that just automates all my little,
my little brand deals. We have the same birthday.
We're both Taurean. I don't know if that
correlates to that at all. Wow. So, you have, like, a spreadsheet that has, like, the amounts and the splits and the deadline and when it's due to you? I have an auto-indicator
if it goes past the date. OK, we need to share
spreadsheets after this, because I also have one,
but it doesn't sound as cool as yours. Mine is pointless.
The amount of detail in there - was only for my own benefit.
- You guys are literally tech people. Yeah. I know a lot about functions. I'm sorry; this is a sham.
Acting disorganized when you've, like, gone to hell and back in,
like, Java and C++ and sifted through to find
the wrong period at the whatever... Yeah, exactly. Well, so,
it's just like a different vibe. I think that – what was I gonna say? I don't know. I do... I think it's more like, um, nature vs. nurture, a little bit. - [JORDAN] Mmhmm.
- Where I, to be successful, did need to, like, learn how to
walk and talk in a certain way, - or to be successful in certain spaces.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. The adaptability of your work
is maybe a testament to how natural it is for you, maybe. - Oh. Thank you.
- If we did a project that was like, "Let's just engage with this new thing - for months..."
- [JARVIS] Yeah. I would need a little bit more spin-up before I could even
generate content around it. I would be far more reticent – But what's interesting
is that I feel like... Honestly, it's like an intimacy with my athletic self, which I think is different - from your everyday self.
- [JARVIS] Right. That's something that
takes years to develop. So, when I go into a new episode
of Challenge Accepted, I know, "All right, day 1,
I'm probably gonna feel this way. Week 3, I should probably,
like, move things around, because I know that's usually
when I hit this point mentally." - [JARVIS] Riiiight. Yeah.
- Like, I have that intimacy with it, in the same way you guys can, like, write a really funny video
and sit down and do it. - Yeah.
- Like, that is a skill. And even though the breadth of things that I have done, I guess, is wide, the technique and, like, the process is one that's been refined
and the same, if that makes sense. I read on your Wikipedia page
that you interned at Google? - Yeah.
- [JARVIS] What year? - Loser. What a nerd.
- What year were you there? I guess that was like my – it's not a job, but it was
one of my first – - [JARVIS] Internships.
- 20...13? Hold on. 20... - 2013, yeah.
- I think I was there summer of 2012 - as an intern. So we, like,
- Oh my god. - just narrowly missed each other.
- Yeah. - [JARVIS] That's pretty crazy.
- And you worked at Yelp, yeah? - Mmhmm, I did.
- I definitely interviewed, - and totally bombed it.
- What did you interview for? - Like, fuckin' sales or some shit.
- Oh, and you'd never worked – Yeah, 'cause I was just
like, "I need to work in tech, 'cause that's, like, cool,
and there's money there." - I had no clue what I was doing.
- Did you interview in person? No. I did, like, a couple phone rounds. - [JARVIS] Screenings.
- And then I remember the guy, this sales guy, he asked me,
"Why do you wanna do this?" And I was like, "Uhhhh..." - I totally bombed it.
- It's so funny, 'cause, like, I think Yelp has, like, is become well known as
one of the worst sales orgs ever. - The turnover is bad; the pay is bad.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. It's like everyone's first stop on, like, - a career in that arena.
- [MICHELLE] Mmhmm. And... Now, I was in engineering at Yelp. And that org, the people involved,
I have a lot of respect for, and had a lot of mentorship there
that was really meaningful for my career. Uh, but... This is, like, a little bit of
tech industry being – - Mm.
- gonna be tech industry. There was this – and I think maybe I've
talked about this on the podcast before. - But there was almost this 2-class system,
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. where it was like, "Um, engineering can eat the pizza, - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- but if you're in sales, buzz off, loser." - Yeah. Right.
- And I was like, "This feels wrong." When I was interning at Google, I was
technically in the marketing department. - Mm.
- I remember that was a conversation had, also, of, just the, uh... I guess, the unspoken hierarchy. Yeah. It doesn't feel good. It feels like an adopted behavior from really traditional organizations, despite the fact that when you have, like, a tech product, communication between teams is
literally the only thing that matters. There was this weird delineation when I – I kind of – with – because I was a very early
sales employee at Patreon, and then we started a partnerships team
once we'd hired enough people, and I was moving out of managing them. And once we started a partnerships team, way more appreciation from the org. Wow, because you're bringing in the money. [JORDAN] Yeah. The partnerships team is,
"Hey, they're shooting for the big fish." - [JORDAN] And the truth is –
- Right. With partnership, you're talking to these big creators, vs. sales is like you're a line employee. - Sending e-mails and having phone calls.
- That's just like a film set, you know? - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- [JORDAN] Yeah. Like, if you're an actor on a TV show
and you have one line, you're given a trailer. - [JORDAN] Yeah.
- You're given a full day rate. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- Like, a car potentially might pick you up from your place in LA to bring you to set. Meanwhile, a PA who's working, you know, probably a 20-hour day running around
getting coffee and getting paid $200... - It's crazy.
- It's wild, - and it does not need to be this way.
- It really doesn't. [JARVIS] But, I mean, yeah. And I think it's important
to talk about that stuff. Oh, not to mention, on, like, on set, in media production, there's literally a term, "above the line" - and "below the line."
- Oh, it's insane. Below the line's basically all the crew.
And then above the line are - the ones that go to the premiere.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. - That's crazy.
- Yeah. Isn't that fucking crazy? And it's a literal line, like, on a call sheet,
if I'm thinking correctly. But, like, it's a separation. When you submit budgets like that, it's standard. You have to do it. - Yeah.
- It has to be standardized. They had a default template that they used for budgeting,
and they sent it through, and it's just a... It's just a CSV that you upload
straight to their internal process. And this project had kind of no below-the-line people,
basically. - [JARVIS] Oh.
- Because it was a crew of, like, 5 people. - Right.
- And yet you still had to have, like, premier, gold tab, as opposed to the grey tab
of below-the-line. And I just don't –
it doesn't reference skill at all. - Yeah.
- You can have never directed something or performed in something,
and get treated like a god, - and potentially be good at it.
- Yeah. Whereas, I don't know, being a DP, you're bad until you learn how. There is no "being a DP
intuitively," right? - Yeah, wow.
- But we're influencers and we're special. - NOW we're special.
- And we get to make up all the rules. I'm sponsored. We wanted to show you
some goofy things that we found. - Hit me.
- Specifically because you were married recently, and are now - our wedding expert.
- Oh, god. Jordan and I are
filthy singles in your area. - You know, by choice.
- By choice. 'Cause, like, I'm busy... - Single Pringle.
- ...getting kissed. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- "Oh, I remember I was gonna go on a date, but I was busy doing push-ups."
People liking it. This is titled "It has taken me 11 years to realize my wedding should be shamed." - Oh my god.
- This is someone who's, like, bringing themselves forward. - They're, like, turning themselves in.
- Yeah, like they're at the police station. "Hi, officer. The bodies were
underneath my floorboards." "I worked for months on end to plan our wedding
to the very last detail, sort of. - It was a medieval-themed affair" –
- [MICHELLE] Oh, god. - (Jordan cackling) What? Why?
- That's all I needed to hear. [MICHELLE] That's all
I needed to hear. Oh, no. "An outside wedding in the middle of August in the southern states."
That's a funny way of putting it. Well, that's awful, 'cause it's really hot. - Hot, yeah.
- If they're wearing, like, chain mail... - I mean, what are we talking –?
- Dude, imagine the chain mail sunburn, - where you just have chains.
- That's pretty hard, actually. It was probably around
the time that, you know, the Danes were invading
the coast of the south of America, when the Tudors and Henry VI
were living there. - Right, in the southern states.
- The southern states. - "We owned 10 acres at the time." OK.
- OK, what happened? Yeah. I guess they're gonna explain. "We cleared a small area of trees, building a standalone deck and pergola." Pergola. It's so fun to say. Go ahead. Wait. Michelle, you try. - Pergola.
- [JARVIS] Wow. That's a perfume title. That sounded like you
could be one of those, um, "how to pronounce" channel narrators. - Per-go-la.
- [JARVIS] There you go. - [JORDAN] Per-go-la.
- Per-go-la. Pergola. "The pergola served as the point for the ceremony, and the deck was for the reception. It was great. Because of the theme, some guests came in their Ren-faire garb, of course, others in dresses, others in jeans/shorts." - That's so weird.
- "Some freaks were" – Who wears jeans/shorts to any wedding? Oh, for a second I thought
you meant jean shorts. Medieval jean shorts. - Yeah, medieval jorts.
- This is crazy. OK. "None of this was the problem.
I loved it. We served smoked turkey legs, brisket, breads, cheeses, and fruits, along with wine, mead, water,
soda, and juice." - Why is this much detail relevant?
- All right, OK. - Cool. All right. Am I RSVPing?
- They're just reading the receipt - from the catering.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. Truly. Oh my god. Yeah, I did not – I – I will eat my words if it becomes relevant - that there was brisket and cheeses.
- [JORDAN] Yeah. "The problems began arising when guests needed to use the restroom. As I said, I planned everything
down to the smallest detail... almost." - Aren't they on, like, a 10-acre lot?
- [JORDAN] Yeah, what the hell? It feels like maybe not
the biggest problem that could happen. But what is about to occur? - This is not where I thought it was going.
- No, me either. Is this the biggest
medieval feature of all, - is it's a hole?
- Yeah. - It's like France.
- They're roleplaying? Yeah. It's a bucket that your wife
has to throw at you. What is – ? 'Cause, um, it's like in RollerCoaster Tycoon,
where you forget to put restrooms. - Yeah.
- And everybody's just like – yeah. "I forgot to make sure our guests
had a way to relieve themselves - that wasn't ducking behind a tree."
- [JORDAN] What? "The ceremony/reception
went well into the night. The decking was lit, along with lights strung
around the trail we'd created" – Uh-oh. I see where this is going. "But the house was about
an acre's length away." - That's so far.
- Yeah. How did they get to the – ? Did they, like, have carts or whatever? 'Cause an acre's, what, like 50,000 feet
or something like that? Was nobody ever at...? Wait, no. Hold on.
Am I an idiot? How big's an acre? I mean, chunky. 43,000 feet. OK. Cool. Whew. They must have been to the plot of land
during the planning phase, right? And nobody at any point
had to piss? At any point. - They were all holding it.
- What about the people constructing it? - Oh my god, yeah.
- Um, they went behind a tree. "Once out of the wooded area, our guests didn't really have a way to see
without using a flashlight on their phones. I became one of those brides who didn't think about people
needing to use the restroom, or people wanting to see in the dead of night on the way back
to their vehicles. Oof." - "One of those brides"?
- That didn't have as catastrophic – I thought it was gonna be, like,
"A joust broke out and someone died." - I thought it'd be like,
- "Somebody was bitten by the horse." "Everyone was stumbling around
in the dark, pooping all over the floor, because we didn't give them a bathroom." That's maybe what happened,
but she didn't write about it. I think maybe I just wouldn't come back. I think I would go to the house, - piss, and then go home.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. Imagine you finally get to the house, and you have to remove your chain mail,
as you desperately try and sit. Oh, I hope you've got like a, uh, - something you can just easily release.
- A flap. - Yeah. A medieval-style long-johns.
- [JARVIS] A medieval flap. Yeah, what did – ? Someone in the comments
is gonna be like, "Actually, there were medieval relieving mechanisms built into
all chain mail," and I'm like, "Oh, OK." "A special cord you
pull, and it all comes off." Yeah, it's like when you put a thread, - and then the whole thing unravels.
- The armor collapses. All the chains fall to the ground, like a snake shedding its skin. Is that a... I mean,
you recently got married. Were you "one of those brides" - that forgot to give people a toilet?
- No, our bathrooms were like - 10 feet away. Very accessible.
- It feels like the 3rd thing I'd think of. - Yeah.
- Partner, rings, toilet. Yeah. "OK, people have food,
and then they might – "OK, so food goes to going to the bathroom. Is there bathrooms? No?
All right, let's do it anyway." - Was there any moment of drama?
- [JARVIS] Oh, yeah, was there any? Ooh, drama at my wedding. - [JORDAN] "Where's my husband?!"
- Actually, there was. So, we got married in LA, in Malibu, at a fully-outdoor venue. Sounds familiar. - It was not an acre away from a bathroom.
- [JARVIS] Hold on, hold on. - This one was sci-fi themed.
- What was on the menu? The menu was actually excellent. - Brisket, breads, cheese, juice.
- Was it really long? - It was steak, sea bass, Thai chicken.
- [JARVIS] Mmm. - [JORDAN] Water.
- It was – we – you know what the thing is? I think that we, as video people, have an edge when it
comes to wedding planning. - [JORDAN] Mm.
- Because for most people, I think, you're doing wedding planning, like,
after your 9-to-5 on the weekends. - Oh, yeah.
- And it's like, "I have to pick flowers," and all this other shit. Whereas, like, we have
the privilege of, like, producing things constantly. Like, we know what it's like to bring a group of people together and
have a schedule and a crew, and everything, whether small or big. So, those things like restrooms
and "what are the phases of the party?" - and "will there be water here?"
- Right. that, I felt like, came really naturally
to me and Garrett. Well, here's a question, because you
made content out of your wedding. - [MICHELLE] Mmhmm.
- Did that make it – 'Cause you were just talking about doing it
after your 9-to-5, and I'm like, well, your 9-to-5 - could have been wedding planning.
- It was. But it was also content producing. I don't wanna just be like, "Oh,
I just made my job wedding planning," because you're also probably thinking
through the content element of things. I think a lot of people
have done, like, - wedding vlogs, stuff like that.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. I was like, "Well, everybody's done that, and I don't know if I'm interesting
enough to make a wedding vlog." So, we actually thought of, "What are ways we could make the wedding planning easier, - by creating good videos?"
- [JARVIS] Mm. One of the videos was trying to plan
the whole wedding in a week. We were like, "That would be
fucking awesome to plan this whole thing in one week,
and then we just get to, like, be romantic and enjoy
the rest of the engagement, and not worry about
invitations or anything like that." And yeah, we cleared a whole week
out of the schedule. We got a camera crew and lined up every single meeting,
and bam, bam, bam. - And honestly, I recommend it.
- [JARVIS] Oh. For anyone planning a wedding,
clear your schedule, take a week off work,
and just do it in a week - with a coordinator or planner.
- Yeah. Because all of the decisions were, like, fresh. So, you come right from the florals to pick the centerpieces.
"OK, well, we were just there, and we picked that color, so let's do
this," rather than every other weekend, - spreading it out for a year or whatever.
- And then maybe you get, like, a toilet or some shit. - Yeah, the toilet, for sure.
- Think about where the toilet is. - Yeah, or the trough.
- Maybe you get trees that look like – Or, sorry. Not trees that look like
toilets, but the other way around. - Toilets that look like trees.
- That would be very cute, - like you're a little pixie.
- Yeah, and you're like (cutely) "Oh." You know? That's you.
You're squatting behind the – But it's not a real tree. Everybody gets a horse, so you can get
back to the house as quickly as possible. But the one piece of drama for our wedding - was it fully rained on the day.
- Oooh. It was extremely stressful, because – You know, this sounds so obvious, right, - when you book an outdoor venue?
- Right. - But it's LA.
- [JORDAN] Yeah. Before the Noah's Ark storm of
whatever has occurred this spring. - No, this is a thing.
- It rains like 3 days a year. Yeah, before we were paying
our penance to God for the sins of Hollywood,
or whatever the hell. Like, LA didn't see rain, - and then all of a sudden...
- [MICHELLE] This whole spring. - It's just been raining all the time.
- Yeah, which I have enjoyed, but... Um, yeah, so it fully rained, and it was one of those, like,
we're on the phone at 5:00 a.m. on the day of the wedding, deciding, "Are we going to tent the entire venue?" - Which kills a lot of it, right?
- [JARVIS] Ooh, the vibe, yeah. And so we took a huge risk,
and we were like, "OK, we're gonna tent the dining area
and the dance floor, but we're gonna leave
the ceremony area open." So, I'm going through
the whole day thinking, "Our guests are gonna come, and it's
gonna fully pour on them at this wedding." - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- And thankfully, it all – it stopped. - Oh, wow.
- [MICHELLE] It was perfect. And then with all the clouds, it created this really nice
diffused lighting for all the pictures. - Oooh.
- I feel extremely blessed. - Good production work there.
- Great production by the clouds. - By the clouds.
- They've got magic hour. - [JARVIS] Yeah, golden hour.
- It was perfectly diffused light all day. I did go to a wedding recently
where it also rained, and we all, like, um, we all got into,
I believe it's called a pergola. Oh, yeah, I've heard about this. With mead. And there was a saxophonist, like, playing sultry tunes. And then it started raining on him,
and he was just like – Then he went inside of the gazebo
or whatever that we were all in, and we were all super packed in this place, and there was just a guy playing saxophone. And it was, like, really fun,
and it was a beautiful wedding. - [MICHELLE] I love that.
- The rain did stop pretty shortly thereafter, so we weren't packed too tightly for long. I'm making myself laugh at the idea of a saxophonist having to play
a saxophone full of water. (warbling musical sounds) Did you see that video of the, um, the woman in the elevator
playing the acoustic guitar? - (groaning in disgust)
- What? - [JORDAN] Pull it up. And the train.
- Let's see if I can find it. And the train. Then she played
the same song on the train. Wait, can we talk about
something real quick? - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- That this person who posted this claims they only realized that they should be shamed 11 years later? That's more like
a night-of situation, I think. - Did no one bring it up?
- 11 years later, you wake up
in bed and you're like, - "I didn't have a restroom in my wedding!"
- Cold sweat. "Stuck on an elevator.
Luckily, I had my guitar and decided to start a singalong." [WOMAN] ♪ Take me home,
country roads. ♪ One more time! [TIKTOKKER] "One more time"? (laughing) - Do you think that was staged?
- It had to be. [WOMAN] ♪ Virginia, mountain mama, ♪ ♪ take me home, country roads. ♪
One more time! - [WOMAN] ♪ Country roads... ♪
- [MAN] Pardon me – pardon me. Is he saying "pardon me"?
"Could you shut the fuck up?" "Pardon, madam." If you... [MICHELLE] What? I believe the actual law in the UK is if you do this on public transport, you get put in a guillotine and beheaded. Yeah, and it's been a law
for, I don't know, - since the 1400s.
- It's been a while. - We lose thousands of people every year.
- [MICHELLE] Wow. That is, like – Sorry, I just thought of
our equivalent of doing a podcast - in an elevator that's stuck.
- Wow. I mean, she's confident. I wouldn't be confident enough to do that. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- Is that a blessing or a curse, right? - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- 'Cause, granted, one in every few performances is the most
embarrassing and worst thing in the world, but she's not bothered by it,
and it is giving her her 10,000 hours of live performance, and some notoriety, I guess, - is a step in the right direction.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. Oh my god. I think this is her beat now. - 'Cause she's got it on a plane.
- She's on a bus. - She's on a bus, she's on a plane...
- [TikTokker singing] - [MICHELLE] Oh, I saw the plane one.
- [JORDAN] Oh my god, it's the same one. Dude, she knows what she's doing.
She knows what she's doing. But that feels rude to me. - I'll be honest. I'll say it.
- That's appalling. Yeah, because guess what these people who are on the plane don't wanna do? It's have a concert right now. - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- If I was in the emergency seat, - I would pull the lever.
- Yeah, - I would throw myself off the plane.
- I would willfully fly into the engine. Challenge Accepted, I'm learning
to operate a parachute in the sky. - Yeah. Take me home, mountain mama.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. - Just jump out.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah, she definitely – This is – she knows that she's ridiculous. Yeah. The saxophonist was very good,
though, and we all enjoyed it, even though we were very tightly packed. And apparently, how they found
the saxophonist was on the street. They were a street performer. And it was
like, "You're so good. Do you do bookings?" And he was like, "Yeah."
And they just found him from that. - That's awesome.
- [JARVIS] It was cool. Yeah, it was my childhood friend's, uh, one of my childhood friend's weddings. Market Street on Market, - right by Westfield in San Francisco –
- Market Street on Market? Yeah. There are so many - sick performers that are playing,
- Oh, yeah. - seemingly 24/7.
- [MICHELLE] Oh, wow. With, like, Blue Man Group
improvised drums, and I wish I had a reason
to do something with them. I would see them perform
and I'd be like, "Do you wanna just play in my... my loft apartment with no square footage?" "Do you wanna just live in there and wake me up every single morning with
a rendition of the songs from Whiplash?" Um, I do have to point out that
Jerry Springer responded to this and said "Illegal,"
which is very funny. - Well, he's a judge now. He knows.
- Yeah, he's a judge now. - [MICHELLE] What?
- Yeah, Judge Jerry. It's a whole thing. Um, so... - I wanna take a hard turn here.
- [MICHELLE] Ooh. And I'm gonna ask you, Michelle Khare,
what scares you? [JARVIS] 'Cause you seem fearless, right? Yeah, that's right. I haven't been
training, but lethal weapons. "But are you prepared
for the ninjas to attack?" People, like, flip into the windows. Oh my god. You know, now we're really
getting to the Sad Boyz part. And Girl. Yeah, we like to take a really hard turn
into the sad topics. Yeah, it gets darker. Oh my gosh, wow. Hmm. - Uh, I don't like heights.
- Ooh. It's a very normal, like – - That's a normal answer.
- It's normal. But, like, life philosophy answer, I feel like I've gone through
different phases of fears that have been like, you know, "I'm scared I'm not
gonna get a meaningful job," or "I'm quitting my job, and my
channel's gonna fail," that kinda stuff. - Yes. Been there.
- But I think at this point, I think the thing that is always my biggest concern is, like, joy and happiness - and losing that, honestly.
- Ooh. Yeah. And I think that's why,
at this point, I'm so brutal about what episodes I decide to do for the channel, at least, because in the pandemic, I really struggled, because
I saw so many people, like, hard pivot into streaming. Or, like, "Oh, my videos have always been just me talking to camera, and we were able to create
even more content and really grow." And obviously that's
a very niche group of people - who thrived in that horrible situation.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. But for me, all of my videos
rely on community, meeting other people. And when I lost that,
it was incredibly tough. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- So, I think that gave me a lot of
perspective on my priorities. So, I mean, for me, that mental health component and losing that is a huge fear of mine. Do you feel like you've got
a good support system now? Oh, absolutely, and I was
fortunate to have that - even in the pandemic. Um...
- [JARVIS] Mmhmm. Did getting married feel like a... Did it provide a little bit of stability,
even, like, subconsciously? Like, "Here is this static thing that, if I fall, there's a safety net - in a way that there might not be"?
- Oh my god, without question, Garrett, my amazing husband and partner, is, like, everything. I mean, he is – he is so calm and, like, logical, - Mm.
- and supportive and kind. I mean, I literally could not
do any of this. I could not do this fight next week
without him at my side. The marriage component,
it's interesting you ask that. When we got engaged, it wasn't like a, "Ah, now this is checked off."
It was like a, "Yay!" We get to do more of the same,
and forever now. - Right.
- Bonus treat. Extra. [MICHELLE] Yeah. So, I feel
really fortunate that, like... I... I already really felt that support
from him already, but... Part of it is, like, losing happiness
or that mental health component of things, - [JARVIS] Right.
- And then also, just like, doing something, and then feeling like
I didn't give it 104%. - Ooh.
- [MICHELLE] Being like, [MICHELLE] "Goddamnit,
I could have done more." - Interesting. Interesting.
- In your content, or everything? - Everything. Everything.
- [JARVIS] Mm. Like, you know, I could have... In the event of achieving, like, happiness and the best outcome, not like... - money or anything like that, but like...
- Right, right. Um, just feeling like – I think it's the fear of feeling like
I gave up on myself too early - in any situation. That's really it.
- Ooh, OK, yeah. Not like, "I should try harder," but like, "I gave up on myself
before other people gave up on me." Mm, OK, yeah. That's really interesting, because I think initially I was gonna say, you could, you know, not to, uh, give you a hard time,
but I'm like, "You could afford to be kinder
to yourself, because even doing - 96%, 80%, 50%, is more than 0,"
- Oh, yeah, absolutely. Mmhmm. you know what I mean? So, the attempt,
I think, is something that... - It takes energy to get to that point.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. And obviously you wanna
give yourself credit for that. But I totally hear you in that, like – especially when you have
people in your corner... - Literally. Next week.
- [JARVIS] It's me. "Get her. Use the secret." So, especially when you have
people in your corner who... are supporting you and really
have a lot of faith in you, obviously you don't wanna let them down.
But then you, of course, know that those people want... You could never possibly let them down,
because the people who have really decided – unless you – Uh, are like, you know,
breaking into my house and eating the pizza out of my fridge, you're never gonna, like,
let me down, you know? Because the people around you, they... It's deeper than that, obviously. But it's one of those things where, like, you know it logically, - but then the actual feeling is different.
- Mmhmm, yeah. I don't wanna let my coach down. I don't wanna let, you know... I've felt like, "Oh, please,
don't come to the fight, - 'cause what if I let you down?" You know?
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. 'Cause people are like,
"I'm gonna move mountains to make sure I can be there,"
and I was like, "Don't – oh, god." It's like, I don't want
the additional pressure of that. Despite the fact that,
I mean, anyone, especially the people you're close to, have way lower expectations of what - being let down would even be.
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. Like, "Hey, it's OK. Anything can happen. I'm not going there based on any of
the expectations you have for yourself. I'm just there to witness
and be involved. It's all good." I have a lot of money
riding on the fight, - but that's – you promised me you'd win.
- Yeah, you did say you bet the house and the car that's at the bottom
of the Grand Canyon. - Well, I have to get them first.
- Oh, yeah. I've bet them kind of rough.
I bet your house. - Oh, shit.
- Yeah, yeah. And Jacob's car. Oh, man. I did that thing in, like,
poker in movies, where I put the keys down
when I've run out of chips. - Yeah, yeah.
- Oh my god. - And it was Jacob's keys.
- Jacob was there. "Bad news, Jacob. I bet
your keys on this poker hand, and I don't know how to play poker.
I don't even know if I won, or what." - "Also, can you drive me home?"
- "It's gone. Can we hotwire your car?" I think that's probably
a very common genre of fear, right? - [MICHELLE] Mmhmm.
- There can be different contributors, I'm sure, and in the case of content, that presents a lot of
very unique, specific things. But it's almost like
the foundational fear. - Yeah.
- It's – it's "the things I have..." - It's a fear of regret, in a way.
- [JORDAN] Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say – I've talked about my fears before. Fear of loss, that's me. Losing. Losing things, 'cause I've experienced,
like, a lot of loss in my life, and so I'm like, "Oh, anything
can go at any moment. Ruh-roh." - Mmhmm.
- Jordan, how about you? - Oh, yeah, I know.
- I mean, my last couple years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of my greatest fears happened
in the span of, like, 3 years. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- So, on one side, it's the fear that it'll happen again, but I also have a lot less to lose now, - in the least morbid way possible.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. So, yeah, you know,
it really isn't a, like, "I'm fearless; I'm whatever." - Yeah.
- But proportionally, I have so much to appreciate now
that I didn't in the really low point - Mmhmm.
- that it's easy to distract myself. - Right.
- But I'm noticing that start to decrease, like, now that work and, uh, career and social confidence are all back. Do you feel stronger,
having gone through those things? Yeah, though sometimes just number, - [JARVIS] Mm.
- which is not the best thing, um, I occasionally get
a little concerned about. I went through a breakup a few months ago, and people kept asking me, like, "Are you OK?" and I'm like,
"Oh my god, yeah. Sorry, it's like nothing.
It's like getting a parking ticket." - It's just like a...
- Wow. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- I'm – I'm – I struggle to – and I used to be a very emotional person
with any kind of, like, interaction. But short of the other person being
distressed or upset, I... I don't know. I get very distracted by the little things that I'm enjoying
right now. #1 fear is losing my visa again. I mean, that was, like,
the second-worst thing ever. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- So, I just don't have any, uh... You know, anytime
something's going smoothly, anytime I think about taxes, I go,
"What if I fuck up and get deported?" Or, like, anytime I'm like, "I'm back at the gym,"
or "I'm having a good time," or "The podcast's going great," I'm like, - "But what if I get deported?"
- Wow. - [JARVIS] Yeah, it's scary.
- But I will say, went back to the UK last week. All the fears came back. It was
really weird. It was like being – I was like, "Oh, I just left all these. I didn't pack these.
I left them in my old apartment." Right. Well, that's – I mean, it's like smelling a familiar smell, or hearing a familiar song or something, where you can place yourself back. This is like the most intense version
of that, where it's like if I put a VR headset on you - and created a 3D model of your, like –
- Me in immigration? Yeah, then it would
probably trigger those same, like, feelings, because of the,
like – what is it called? It's a type of memory. - Oh, it's like sense memory, no?
- Episodic? - Episodic memory?
- [MICHELLE] Ooh. That sounds fancy. - Vibes?
- Gosh, I never know the name of things. "Episodic Memory" sounds like - a name of a band.
- [JORDAN] Yeah. - [JARVIS] Oh, it does.
- Episodic Recall. We play covers of, like,
American football songs. Midwest emo. - Um...
- Oh, yeah. "A type of long-term memory
that involves conscious recollection of previous experiences together with
their context in terms of a time, - place, associated emotions, etc." - [MICHELLE] Oooh.
- [JORDAN] (triumphantly) Yes! That's a 5 on AP psychology.
Let's frickin' go. - Shwoop.
- That's really deep. I mean, it kind of sounds like all of
the fears are the same genre, right? - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- I think some people have – I wouldn't even know how
to describe them, but more, um... tangible fears, I guess? - Less a fear of a sensation.
- Like snakes? - Yeah.
- I wish my fear was snakes, man. That would be so simple. Now, OK, hold on. There's gonna be somebody like,
"I have a debilitating fear of snakes," and I'm like, "OK, not what I mean." Uh, grass is always greener.
That's all I'm saying. - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- Oh, direct – sorry. Direct, um, kudos and thumbs-up to the person that commented recently when I was wearing a T-shirt
and my spider tattoo was visible. They said, "Just wanna say" – It was the top-voted comment on an episode. "I just wanna say, pretty proud of myself. I'm no longer scared of the tattoo." - Wow.
- Oh my god, that's so sweet. What a sweet community you have. I don't know if it was an exposure thing. I don't know how that happened.
I didn't provide any help. You've been slowly providing
exposure therapy through, uh, wearing
more and more revealing clothing. Mmhmm. I just wanna say
to those people that, um, - there's one behind you right now.
- (Jarvis gasps) OK, hold on. Have you seen – ? So, we were talking before the show about fucked-up reality television. And one of the things, one of the – So, some of these genres
of fucked-up reality television are like, um, pranking people, essentially, creating, uh,
a form of psychological torture where they think that their reality
is one thing, and then it's not. Like, I Wanna Marry "Harry,"
the show where they just found a red-haired British guy
and told a bunch of women in a house that he was Harry, Prince of Wales, and then, uh, they hired an on-site psychologist or – yeah, psychologist, to tell them,
because they didn't believe it. They were like, "No, you should
respect him. He's Prince Harry. Come on, what are you talking about?"
So, like, that was a thing on TV. But I wanna talk about frickin'
Jerry Springer and that type of show, like Dr. Phil.
I don't know who did this specifically, but there was an episode or multiple where it'd be like, "I have
a horrifying fear of spiders," and then they'd be interviewing them, "Oh, spiders? OK,
interesting, interesting. Well, bring out the spiders!" And then they just bring out
a bunch of fucking tarantulas, - and they freak out.
- That's so messed up. And everyone goes,
"Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha," - and it's not "ha ha ha."
- That's Dr. Phil shit, 'cause he's not a doctor. So, he just goes like – I cannot believe he has gotten away - with all of that.
- [JORDAN] It's crazy. Oh my god. The fact that – it'd be like if,
instead of becoming a judge for Jerry Springer's follow-up show,
'cause he was a lawyer prior and a mayor, so there's some path there,
instead, he became a surgeon. - It's just like so – there's not –
- Is Judge Judy really a judge? - I don't think she is.
- No, she's not. Dr. Phil has a PhD in psychology, but – But isn't it, like,
an online course or something? No, he's got a PhD, but the thing is, um, he hasn't been accredited or practicing for a really long time. Um, so... - He's a bad bloke, I guess.
- Yeah. So, yeah. But yeah, I don't think you need –
to just be a TV doctor, you can kinda just be like,
"Hey, welcome back to Dr. Jarvis. Today, let's talk about the spiders
that live in our juice." And it's like, "Wait, why? How did – ? Now I'm afraid – now I've created –
new fear unlocked," or whatever. "Let's talk about the snake
that's going to get you tomorrow." So, I tweeted about this when Steve Harvey first got his judge show. Is it Judge Steve? - It's called Judge Steve Harvey.
- [JORDAN] Oh, I will. And I have – I tweeted the intro sequence of it,
so I think I can find it. I think I said "Steve Harvey is a judge now," Jarvis Twitter. - "He is now Jarvis Twitter."
- "Steve Harvey is a judge now, - and I hate this."
- This is amazing. So, this is the intro
to Judge Steve Harvey. I just love this so much. [STEVE HARVEY] Hey,
it's a big world out there, and it's filled with people
that just don't see eye to eye. See, that's where I come in. - I ain't got a law degree,
- [MICHELLE] God, his collar. [HARVEY] And I'm way
too fly to wear a robe. But this is where common sense presides, In my house. Court is now in session. [MICHELLE] He is a full-on Count Dracula. - Yeah.
- Yeah, dude. That was shot – Especially the part where he turns,
it was shot like an AmEx commercial. My favorite is where he says,
"Now, I ain't got a law degree, and I'm way too fly
to wear a robe." (all laughing) [HARVEY] See, I ain't got a law degree,
and I'm way too fly to wear a robe. And then he's smiling
with his luminescent teeth. - His teeth look great.
- They're insane, man. They're so cool. Also, when I recorded this, um, I was on Zoom with Anastasia and we were doing
a Gold video on this show, and you can hear
Anastasia laugh right here. - [HARVEY] See, I ain't got a law degree –
- (all laughing) And I was like, "I'm not
gonna re-record this. I'm just gonna post it." Oh, man. Do you have any trashy TV
you've indulged in in the past? - Trashy TV?
- Yeah, some classic reality television - which may be not ethical.
- I don't think this is trashy, but I love Survivor. - Oh, Survivor's not trashy.
- [MICHELLE] It's good. - Survivor's refined.
- [MICHELLE] It's not trashy. Jeff Probst is my hosting idol. Like, I, if I could... You know, career heroes, - Jeff Probst is a career hero.
- Careeroes, yeah. - Careero – ooh.
- So, no, Jeff Probst – I was a latecomer to Survivor. And I actually happened to watch the season that John Morrison is on, was on, who's in Creator Clash. - He was in Survivor?
- He was in a Survivor season, yeah. - [MICHELLE] Oh my god.
- Yeah. So, he came to the gym to spar, um, and I sparred him, and I was like, "Why do you look so familiar?" - Um...
- His coach is Jeff Probst. But the thing I will say
about Survivor is – or about Jeff Probst specifically, - is I have never seen someone better –
- Wait, I've seen this season. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- I did not put this together, 'cause I only know them from first names. Oh my god. This is who - Harley is fighting?
- [JARVIS] Uh, yes, Harley's fighting him. Sabrina, actually. (all laughing) - Yes, I've seen – oh my god.
- Yeah, it's wild. I love – ah, man, I hope there's a world where somebody writes a bio about me, and it includes "A strong
and likable player." - Oh, no.
- I've seen this whole season. Crazy. - This season is on Netflix.
- [MICHELLE] I just didn't put it together, 'cause people look so different on the show - than they do in real life.
- In real life, yeah. Because they're starved; no one's wearing makeup and, like, - brushing their teeth.
- The really miserable version of Survivor that I think... "Trashy," I guess, is one way
of describing it, but more just like, um, more cynical, a little less sincere, a little less, uh... it doesn't have the fun reverence
that Survivor does. I'm also a very, very latecomer
to the show. In the 3 seasons I've watched, there's so much excitement
about the project, and everyone knows it. - It's not this, uh...
- Like, there's meta. It's like, "Oh, we're actually gonna,
when the merge happens, we're gonna have to be sure to..."
And I'm like, "Oh, shit, OK." It's like you're speaking
a different language. In the David and Goliath one, they're like,
"I'm such a huge fan, I've seen you." There's something nice about that.
But Naked and Afraid? - [JARVIS] Mmmm.
- What a miserable show that is. - Oh, yeah.
- It's the exact same bullshit, except – They also never make shoes,
for some reason. Like, they craft all kinds of stuff,
and they never – 3 contestants – we were burning through it,
'cause we'd finished Flavor of Love - and our hearts were empty.
- With Tila Tequila? Yeah. Uh, no, no, you're thinking
of A Shot at Love. Oh, Shot at Love with Tila Tequila. Sorry, different trash reality television. We were watching that and we felt sad
'cause we'd finished it, and then... three separate contestants go off the show because they get bitten
by a giant creature on the foot, they step on a bush and,
like, sever a toe. And it's just like, "OK,
before we even get food, I don't know, let's wrap a leaf on it." I'm not a survivalist,
but let's just put a leaf on it. I can't believe people
elect to do that show. I mean, it's funny that you're saying that. - Oh.
- Right, like your whole channel is, "I can't believe people elect to do
whatever the hell this is." As opposed to the TV show that has thousands of seasons, and loads people have done it. Oh, but I don't know if I had
an incomplete thought, but Jeff – Oh, yeah, Jeff Probst seems like
he enjoys his job so much. - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- I feel like he's reached, like, a perfect balance between, like, what one can want in life
and then, like, what – like, whenever he's on
the island, like on a boat, you see him on a boat
arriving at the island, I was like, - "This man is living his own dream."
- Yeah. - And he's on season 45.
- Yeah, it's amazing. - [JARVIS] It's cool.
- Where would you put, uh, the Lacheys in your ranking? - Lachey?
- Oh, yeah, like Nick and Vanessa Lachey. - Oh, like the Love is Blind situation.
- [JARVIS] Love is Blind. I – OK, here's my thing
with Love is Blind: I watched season 1, - and I enjoyed it.
- [JARVIS] Yeah, right. - And then they kept going.
- The reunion stuff - was a little gratuitous, in my opinion.
- [JARVIS] True, true. And a little like "We're just trying to" – Netflix was trying to get
more content and money, and the contestants were like,
"I'm hard-launching my influencer career." - Right, as they often are.
- So, it felt like they were... What I think was interesting about the
1st season was that they were real people, and then when they did
the reunion, they were like, - "I'm a PR-trained reality star."
- Yes. "And every moment I can, like, I'm wearing
my own merch," and stuff like that. And I get it. I get the game. - We all do it.
- Of course. But I think the charm of
the 1st season was the novelty. And I feel like the ones since, um – In the same way Survivor, season 1, they talk about, "How the hell
do we built a shelter? - Where do we get food from?"
- Right, there's a meta now, like, - "I read the Wikia."
- [MICHELLE] Yeah. Exactly. "I read the... I memorized
all the puzzle types." I know some of the people
who've won Survivor, and some of them, like, they coach people - who are applying to be on the show.
- [JARVIS] Mm. And that's amazing. Like, I want every – - [JARVIS] That's cool.
- If I were going on Survivor, you bet your ass I would be in a - survival month-long camp.
- Challenge Accepted. Exactly, and make content about it. I'd bring 6 pairs of shoes. I'd be equipped for every eventuality. Yeah. But, you know, some of the charm of 1st seasons of things is that there is no meta, and people are actually
trying to figure it out, whereas so much of Survivor now is like, "I've seen every season, and I know that if I say this
at the right time and do this at the right time..." But again, how do you avoid that? - That's part of the strategy.
- It's a part of it, but I get why the first version of it is
more charming or more interesting. It's like the budget in a movie franchise
going up with each movie, and maybe they get a little too long,
a little too elaborate. But hey, the parts you like
are still there. You just have to scratch
under the surface. Yeah. I did a... Gold video that is probably
coming out this week, that I watched season 4 of Love is Blind, episode 1. And I just reacted to it, but I tried to
predict everything that was gonna happen. So, I'm curious to see how that, like... - how that turns out.
- Leave a comment if he ate shit. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- If he took a huge L. But I also miss – when Nick Lachey
introduced himself in the first season, he said, "I'm Nick Lachey, obviously,"
or something like that, 'cause Vanessa introduced herself first,
so it made sense. But it's just, like, such a funny thing, and he hasn't done it since. I wonder if I can find it.
I talk about it in my video. What is so interesting
about Love is Blind is that Nick and Vanessa Lachey,
you know, they're... I think it's interesting
that they're on there as a couple, because they, I don't believe, - met in a blind date situation.
- No. This is – It's almost like they're the
pinnacle of that, which is great. Maybe they have a great relationship. But also, like, have you guys noticed that the show doesn't need a host? - Like, they're just kinda there.
- They just show up every now and then. - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- Yeah. Uh, yes. So, the point you just made is something
that I talked about in my video, 'cause they do kind of make it seem like they're the poster childs for, like, love being blind. And I was like, "You guys were both huge" – Like, Vanessa was on MTV for,
like, my entire childhood, and then Nick Lachey was
of 98 Degrees fame, and also, like, Newlyweds with Nick and Jessica. Like, he's just been
on TV for so long. Um, also, when I typed "I'm Nick Lachey," it autocompleted to
"I'm Nick Lachey, obviously." But this is all just him
on the reunion doing it. One thing I admire
about both Love is Blind and Married at First Sight,
to some extent, is that these shows
are multiple seasons deep, and yet for the sake of the narrative they still have to keep going, "I guess we're gonna find out
if love's blind." - Yeah.
- [JARVIS] Every time! - You're like, "Bitch, it isn't."
- Yeah, we know. And we knew before the show. What love is is exactly what
we knew it was: partially physical attractiveness,
and partially emotional attraction. Because what happens is
people seemingly fall in love, they come out, and they instantly either
are or are not attracted to each other. And the ones that are stay together. They have this whole, like, anti-dating app propaganda
at the beginning of every season, where they go, "Honestly, I'm just tired
of swiping on people and judging them for how they look, so that's why I'm gonna..." And then cut to the reveal,
where they're like "Oh, whoopsie. Uh, turns out I'm not
attracted to this person." Especially Married at First Sight,
they're kind of trad, - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- The way they frame stuff is like, "Yeah, this new world
without traditional values, where you fall in love and
you follow the way of Jesus Christ, you cannot truly find love."
It is like, so... uh, "This is the right way
to find a relationship." "What you've been doing,
dating around with multiple people?" That is funny, to be like,
"Well, this is my last hope." Someone on the new season
of Love is Blind was like, - "I've been married twice, and
- [MICHELLE] Oh, shit. I just hope this works out."
And I'm like, "Dear god, if you get married on this show..." My first thought – I don't know
how this is gonna end. As of recording this,
it hasn't ended yet. I'm like, "This person seems like
they'll walk away at the altar, because they're gonna be like,
'I've been through this 2 times already, and I just can't commit.'" Like, that was my
prediction in my video. But, uh, if they do get married, you're just silly. (laughs) - Like, don't –
- [MICHELLE] Aw. Just date outside of the show. There's not legal binding, like, "You're not allowed to get married ever, unless you do it on the season finale." Yeah, it's not 90 Day Fiance. You can stay in the country
if you don't get married. If you're in, like, Chicago
or whatever, Seattle, wherever they film the seasons. It's different places, but yeah. - All right, well...
- We should go on it. - [JARVIS] Together, yeah.
- We should get on the show. - [JARVIS] You have been looking for love.
- You know, I've thought a lot – Like, I've daydreamed
about going on Survivor a lot. - [JARVIS] Oh, yeah.
- And, um... It's in the cards. Well, you know, the tough thing about Survivor, after I've spoken to people
who've been on it, is like, if you get far enough but get voted out, you still have to, like,
stay over there - [JARVIS] Mm.
- On, like, Ponderosa for the whole time. 'Cause you need to be at the end. - You need to be voting.
- [MICHELLE] If you make the merge. Wait, how long is the whole – ?
I can't remember. - The whole experience is a month.
- [JARVIS] 9 years. Oh. - [MICHELLE] Yeah.
- Sorry, I was really wrong. Originally it was 42 days, - but in the pandemic they shortened it.
- And they kept it short. [MICHELLE] Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause I guess it's cheaper, probably.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. They were like, "We can get away with this?"
It's kinda like how, um, Gatorade bottles still look the same, but they actually made the, uh, the concave in the bottom bigger, so – - [MICHELLE] Less product.
- Less liquid, yeah, or, like, the air, they put more air in the chip bags. They made the Survivor season shorter just as a cost-saving measure. Yeah. I think the tough part
for me would be, um, the narrative is out of your hands. - [JORDAN] Yeah.
- Big. Huge. Yeah, and that's really hard,
which, you know, I empathize a lot with after having hosted a survivalist show. - [JARVIS] Yeah.
- Um... You also know how
manipulable post-production is. You could completely change
the narrative of your videos - with some tactful edits.
- Yeah. And I just... Yeah. Having my stuff - taken out of context...
- It's wild. Someone could be like, "Um, Michelle's kind of
kooky and annoying," and then they find, like, a weird clip of you being like, "buh-buh-buh-buh." - They do that shit!
- And then they're like, they're like, "Great. Now we've got" – And then it just kind of, like,
turns into this cycle, like, "I guess we're running with this 'Michelle doesn't know
what she's doing' narrative." And then she's like, "Whoopsie, I tripped," and it's like, "Classic Michelle." The producer leans in, like, "Can you shake your head left and right
and go (gibberish)? - Then we're gonna use that."
- "For $100, will you misspell this word, or mispronounce this word?" 'Cause I know behind camera,
'cause I've seen the other side, I know all the questions they're asking. They're gonna ask you 400,
and they'll only use one. - [JARVIS] Right.
- And I get it. You have to make a story. But there are so many times we hear Survivor winners say, like, that their winner's edit was so different - than their actual experience.
- [JARVIS] Yeah. - That kinda freaks me out a little bit.
- 'Cause they're working backwards. 'Cause the thing about unscripted, and you know this, is that, like, you...like, the audience wants to watch an arc. Yes, so they have to make one. Whether or not one's there or not. You're creating the marble slab, and they're going, "OK, here's David," and you're like, "What about
all that other stuff?" [MICHELLE] And I bet, like, there are so many times when someone is implementing
their strategy really early on, but they exclude it, so then
they get to the end. How many times have we seen
someone win, like, "They didn't do anything"?
But then it turns out the other contestants were like,
"They were running it the whole time." - [JARVIS] Yeah, yeah.
- Kind of an Oceans 11 flashback sequence. Oh, yeah, and then
at the end, they're like, "Well, actually, during
this moment, I was doing this." Yeah, since they started doing
flashbacks, I get so mad. Yeah, oh my gosh. Well, in the interest of time, we should probably close this one out. You know what I realized
we don't generally do? - [JARVIS] What?
- Plugs. - We gotta do that.
- Is there anything you wanna plug? - Yeah, is there anything you wanna plug?
- Oh. Well, please, uh, come watch Creator Clash on April 15th. Support not just us, - but also many charities.
- [JARVIS] Everybody. Many charities. - I'll be trying to get in the ring.
- [MICHELLE] Yes. - Just have a go.
- Just do it, like, Niko Omilana-style. Get in that ring. "Please. Please let me in." You can also, of course,
Michelle's channel will be linked. If there's anything else we should - know about you...
- [MICHELLE] That's really it. Well, we end every episode of Sad Boyz with a particular phrase: - [JARVIS AND JORDAN] We love you.
- And I'm sorry. Boom! Uh, "A French serial impostor convinced
everyone he was a missing Texas teen." - (in bad French accents) "I am ze baby."
- "I am le baby." - "I love, uh... Rick and Mor-dy."
- "Coco-melon." "'igh School Musi-cal." "My name is little Timmy, and you are
watching Disney Channel," or whatever. "Rather pe-culiar parents." (outro music)
