Devin Arthurs he's accused of killing his
roommates Jeremy himmelman and Andrew enchuck in their
Tampa Palms Apartment. Arthurs previously said
the pair did not respect his religion when he disavowed neo-Nazism
and converted to Islam. This video contains the interview of a man
who shot his two roommates Andrew Enchuck, Jeremy himmelman. Brandon Russell and Devin Arthurs built a friendship based on
their shared extremist beliefs, each have been seeking a sense of belonging
and order for various reasons. Enchuck and himmelman had recently started
to turn away from those beliefs, but the lure of remaining in a rent-free apartment
with access to fishing was too good to pass up. Arthurs had made the decision
to convert his religion and said that the others made fun of him for it which was the original reason
he gave to the police after his arrest. However his story quickly changed and he became a hero who through his
actions saved thousands of people from his roommate's plans. While Russell Brand was out of
the apartment on National Guard duties, Devon Arthurs shot and killed Andrew
enchuck and Jeremy himmelman. Arthurs then walked into a local smoke shop where he held three hostages
and then surrendered to police release before revealing that
he had shot his two roommates back in the apartment they shared. [Inaudible] unfortunately most of the people that they've talked to me about
this they don't say stuff like that. Well they themselves were not there [inaudible] But I'd say well I don't mean
to interrupt history but before we get into all that, so before we get into meetings
so to speak listen I have to read you some things
and go over some formalities okay? Once my partner gets in here,
we'll go that route. All right. I'm going to start a recording, recording here
so it's all documented or memorialized. Okay? All right for the record my name is Kenny linger,
I'm a detective with Tampa Police. This is Jerry Sandal also
detective of the Tampa Police. We're here at 411 North Franklin
Street police headquarters in reference to a homicide investigation and that investigation case number is
17-260-921 the date is May 20th 2017. It’s about 1:24 am also here with us is, sir can you
state your name for the record please? My name is Devin Sean Ryan Arthurs. Devin your date of birth please? My date of birth is March 18th 1999. Okay. And Devon, before I read you, you flew off, but you familiar
with your Miranda warnings? Yes sir. Have you ever had them read to you before? I had them read to me by a
police officer on the way here. On the way here,
or you read them to you? Okay. Right. Okay. Did you understand him
when the officer read them to you? Do you have any questions about it? No, I don't have any questions. I'm going to read them to you again,
so forgive me. -I'm not, not to insult you, but it's just…
-No, I understand. ...But it's just that he said all right
so we have to do this for your protection. And before I get, before I do that,
I want to make sure that I'm dealing with an individual
here has a clear mind and are you under the influence
for any narcotics or alcohol or any… No, I'm completely sober, man. Okay. No prescribed medication?
No. Cold medicine, nothing at all? -No.
-Okay. Do you or have you ever been diagnosed
with any kind of mental illness or anything like that that might prevent
you from having a conversation where you understand what I'm saying
or I understand what you're saying? No, I don't.
I've never been prescribed with that, but I wish, I wish I went to
a hospital before this. I wish I had listened to my family and just like, I wish I had a fog of
what they were recommending, recommending me to do and stuff like that. What's that regarding? Regarding like you know me
going over there and going to get help. Arthurs mentions that
his family wanted him to get help. Something that he now thinks he may need. While this is true. It is unfortunately too late for his roommates. Something like that. Okay. Did you discuss with
your family in the past? Yeah, it was mainly over like
depression and stuff like that. Okay. But never over, like I never, it was never
anything like to this severity. Never. Yeah. Were you taking any medication at all
or you never got to that point? Never that point. Okay. All right.
But, so up to this point, you've been able to understand any
conversations you've had with any officers or any other individuals you've come across? Yeah. You understanding our conversation
so far with no problem? -Yes, I am.
-Okay. With that being said,
what I'm going to do is I, again, not to insult you,
but I have to just to make sure that you're going to be
able to follow along with me. Yeah. Your education level,
how far did you go in school? I dropped out of school. At what grade? I dropped out at 10th grade. 10th grade? Yes. Did you have school here in Tampa? No, I went to school in Orlando. Orlando? -Yeah, I went to Lake High School.
-Okay. And in 10th grade, did you complete 10th grade? No, I left midway in. Okay. Do you know how to read and
write though? The English language? Yeah. Okay. Do you speak or
write any other language? No. Okay. I'm going to ask that you follow along with me.
I'm going to read it out loud. If anything I'm going to ask you
follow here with me as well. But if you have any problems
or any questions, I'm going to stop the end of each sentence. You just be, you know, feel comfortable in
asking me to explain a little further, okay? Alright. And for the record,
I'm reading from TPD, form 310. And its consent to be interviewed
concerning an offense of, and as we've already discussed,
as you've already been aware, it's a homicide investigation. Okay? Okay. It says you have the right to remain silent. -Do you understand what that means?
-Yeah, of course. If you give up the right to remain silent,
anything you, you say can be used against you in court.
Do you understand what that means? Yes. You have the right to consult with an attorney
before you make a statement or answer any question, and the right to have
an attorney present during questioning. -Do you understand that?
-Yes, I do. If you want an attorney but
cannot afford to hire an attorney, one will be appointed to represent you before
and during questioning free of charge. -Do you understand that?
-Yes, sir. You have the right to use any of these rights
at any time you want during the interview, and you may stop the interview at any time.
Do you understand all that? Yeah, I do. Okay. With these rights in mind, I’m going to ask this sentence right here. I, and if you are willing to talk to me now, write your name in here,
and these rights read to me, I understand them,
and I’m willing to talk at this time, no threats or promises of any kind have been
made to coerce me to make a statement. -Do you understand that last part?
-I do. Okay. Yeah. If you understand these rights,
I ask you, print your name here. Yeah, print and sign the bottom,
and then your initials up there as well. Right here? You can initials right there. -So I check that or do…
-You can, yeah, you can check. -Okay.
-There you go. -I’m going to put right my initials here. -Oh, okay.
-My bad. And then put your name on that line. All right. And then down here. Sorry. One more time.
Print and sign please. Alright. Right. All I’m going to do right here, I’m going to write my name
and Detective Sandal’s name. Then again, this is the 20th day of May. All right. Before buddy, let me begin like this,
when we go to the jail, can I please speak to the doctors there? They told me that
I can talk to doctors when I get there. Of course, of course.
I don’t, I don’t run the jail. Yeah. But when we get there, we’ll explain.
Are you feeling any physical illness right now? -No.
-All we ever want is the honest truth. That’s alright. I’ll give you.
I’ll give you the… These people, I’ll tell you exactly what happened today. Yeah. Take it from the beginning, man. So I remember I woke up. Yeah. Well, what, tell me about that.
What, what’s that all about? Adam Forthem division is a terrorist organization. It’s a neo-Nazi organization that
I was a part of before I converted. -What’s it called?
-Adam Forthem Division. Okay. And I remember my roommate Brandon, he’s alive,
the guy that was in the American uniform, I hope he gets his shit together. I hope he gets his life together.
He’s a good person. But the things that
they were planning were horrible. They’re planning bombings and stuff like that on countless
people, they’re planning to kill civilian life. What did they,
were they specific in their plants? Uh, power lines, nuclear reactors,
synagogues, things like that. And the reason why, like I mentioned
this is because, and in self-evident, you go into the place, like there’s a giant as off regiment flag
that’s in the background. As off Regiment is an organization,
Ukraine, which is an NS movement that crucifies people and it’s harmed
a lot of people that came directly from there. These people were not good people,
is what I’m trying to say. That came directly from where? That came directly from
Ukraine for the conflict and... Okay. You came from Ukraine? No, no, no, no. Excuse me.
No, I didn’t come from the flag dude. I’m saying that where I,
I’m saying like, for context, Brandon… How did you end up at that apartment? How, how did you, how did, how did you move
in with them and how, how did that go? I’ll explain this like I remember,
I remember when I was four, I, I will just start from the beginning of like
these beliefs and stuff like that. That that’s fine. When I was 14, I first like started getting into
these organizations and stuff like that. -Which organizations?
-Neo Nazis in the beginning. Okay. I remember, like, I,
I remember I converted when I was 17. Converted to what? Islam. I remember. I was like,
I outgrew like the racist sentiments. So I was like, this is silly. And you know, I watched like,
you know, I’m very, I’ll be honest, like I’m sympathetic with groups like Al-Qaeda
and ISIS and stuff like that and I was very, very angry
about the coalition bombing. So I mean, that day I was watching videos of infants
that were killed by American bombs. Which was that today? Yeah. And that’s what it was driving me crazy,
is like that was getting me, and I was also seeing the posts that
was being made in an encrypted habit. Other members of how they want to
kill blacks and how they want to kill. Members of what, which? The same organization, sir. Yeah. Which organization is that?
Adam? That’s that one. The one that you were formally a part of? Yeah, formally a part of. And I was living there because I was living primarily
with the guy in the American uniform, the Brandon he was, and he’s a decent
human being that can be reasoned with... What exactly did he say? They would say stuff like,
I want to blow up refugee ships. They would say stuff like,
they want to go target like blacks. Like how Dylan Roof did. These people,
they were not just innocent people. They weren’t just my roommates,
is what I mean. Have they ever done any bad things or they,
I mean specifically that you know about maybe you were a part
or that you weren’t part of? I was never a part. I was,
we never targeted anybody, but we had plans. We had guys in the American military that literally would go to like bases and
steal huge amounts of equipment. We’re talking Kevlar night vision, stuff like that
through the intensive of criminal activity, I.E, you know, targeting government structures,
and targeting people. This is part of the group that you were,
the group that you were a part of? Yes, sir. Not to mention like the morality of this group
and how these people think. I remember, I, and I did this in the past. I remember when we would help
as off regiment in Ukraine by hacking telecommunication networks
that were held by the separatist. Right. So we had factories and we shut down electricity. And I remember there was an article
that a factory got shut down and a dozen people had died, like frozen
to death and I was horrified by that. I was absolutely mortified. Because you were a part of that? Yeah, I was mortified. I remember. And it was horrifying because I knew
that nothing would ever come out of it. I would wake up each morning,
my mom would tell me like, good morning. And they had no idea. And I remember I brought this up to a few people that are part of the organization and
they just started laughing about it. They thought it was the funniest thing.
And I was horrified by it. And it’s like, you know, I’m such an idiot
for still living in that situation, for being in there, being at that apartment. How long have you been there? I’ve been there for several months.
That’s it. Several months?
Because my understanding is that Brandon rented that apartment probably
about a month and a half ago. Yeah, about a month and a half.
Excuse me. Okay. So you’ve been there about,
since he rented it? -Yeah.
-Okay. And how about the other two guys?
Were they in the apartment? They, they’ve been here for a few weeks. Oh, so they you were first in there
and then they moved in after you? -Yeah.
-Okay. These people would laugh about the concept
of like blowing up like refugee ships. And they had the explosives, they had the plans.
They had the encrypted conversations. These two individuals or? -The entire organization.
-Okay. And it’s like, and the thing that
gets me is preserved by what they said. How long had you know these guys? I’ve known these guys almost for a year. Okay. Where’d you first meet them? Met them online first and
then I went up to Boston, rang and I hung out with
them for a few minutes. You met Brandon online as well? Yeah. On a specific site.
Was it the site you mentioned? It doesn’t exist anymore. What was it? What was it called? It was called tiny Chat through tiny chat.com
through a position. It was just tiny chat.com. Tiny chat. It doesn’t. Yeah, tiny Chat, but a small, tiny. But the thing is
that Tiny Chat is like, kind of like YouTube. You have huge channels
and stuff like that on there. The real site where they like we’re fascist,
like organized and stuff. It’s called Iron Merge.
And then you also have Storm Front and... Like is that, that’s like
a social media group for those? Yes, it’s a whole website. And I’m like I know everything about that site
and the people that are behind this. And I remember... The detective allows Arthurs to
speak without much direction and Arthurs clearly has a lot to unload. Everything he says it’s quite disturbing. And all of the sites he mentions will have
to be investigated though in truth, they are probably already being monitored. I just feel like, because when the police showed up to the location, they saw that there was explosives in the garage. They can, if they access the computers, they can find that there’s a lot of encrypted
chats for the organization itself. It’d be easy to track down each member. Are these three guys prominent
members of those organizations? Brandon’s, Brandon’s
the leader of the organization. He is? Yeah. And I was a senior leader
at one point, and I remember. And how many guys have got follow you guys? I mean, you guys part of this organization? 60 to 70. Throughout the world?
Throughout the country? -Throughout the country.
-Okay. And these people were basically, if you’re familiar with like, the order of Bob Matthews or whatever, he was a guy that killed like a bunch
of federal agents and stuff like that. Like that’s basically who they venerate. And these people, they have
no human empathy like we do. Like, it’s hard to describe. I wish that if I could go back
and do something over, I would sign myself into a hospital to
work about my anger issues and my, and my rational thinking skills,
which I don’t think is as at par of like. But I think for you it’s beyond the anger issue,
I think at least something a little, little deeper for you. I think it’s more of a,
it’s a passion that you are in, you’re passionate about doing well for people. Tell these guys today, walk me through today. You’re there all day, the three of you guys? Yeah, we were there all day. Except [inaudible] except
he was at work for a little bit of it. For he was at a recycling plant working. And I remember he came home.
I remember like I was in these, on the encrypted chat and they’re saying
all this stuff like, you know, well. What is encrypted chats? It’s a thing called Wire. And W-I-R-E. Wire. Yeah, wire. It’s an encrypted chat. And there’s an out of chat on there,
people are like talking about like bombings, robbing like raiding military bases
and stuff like that. Okay. Yes. And let me ask you this,
and forgive me, but I’m just trying to keep trying to, and you’re kind,
you’re educating me this whole process. So I’m going to ask questions to
this student sitting here. That is, you believe you have a faith, you said? -Yes.
-What is your faith? -I’m a Muslim.
-Okay. Does that coincide with this
organization you’re part of? -No. No. Not at all.
-So how long have you been a Muslim? I’ve been a Muslim since June of 2016. Okay, so fairly recently. Yeah. Have you still maintained a part in this organization, or is that about when your tied
to those organization were cut? My main ties to this organization is like,
I was a part of it out of necessity. I needed a place to stay away from my family. Not that there’s anything wrong with it,
I should have lived with them. I was just trying to get out of the house
and stuff like that. And I would try to, like, I managed to convince some
people to like drop a lot of these beliefs and stuff like that. And I can feel thankful that
I’ve done something like that and that’s why I was a part of it. It was mainly to try to get people away
from the shit and try to basically. That’s when you fed when you first joined up? No. This is when, no,
I was already a part of it when I converted. I just, like, when I converted, I was like,
I got it while I’m in here. I can’t just leave it. If I left it, then I’d probably
be killed or something like that. But if I, I’d either be killed
or something in that nature. But if I didn’t do that, then when it comes down to it, like it’s, then I might as well try to
convince people while I’m there. Like almost like basically convince people, like,
don’t do this. Don’t throw your life away. But you made no secret about it to even Brandon,
I imagine of your faith, right? They knew they knew what you were about. Yeah. And they still, I mean,
they still tolerated you. They still tolerate.
Yeah, they did bear. Yeah. This strikes an odd note. Arthurs claims that his roommates
hated people of his faith and had dark intentions to carry out in that regard. If that was true, why did they
continue to allow him to live there? It doesn’t quite add up. Why? What? I mean. I honestly don’t really know. I think Brandon, like, I think Brandon
has a true connection with me. Okay. Which computer are you talking about that you,
that with this encrypted chat? Every computer in that house. The one that you saw,
were you watching us? Yeah. Computer, my personal tower. Where is that one? It’s in my condo. You’ll find like I pay a lot of con I pay a lot of attention to
like Siri and Iraq, like the conflicts over there. But inside the condo? Yeah. There's two bedrooms and
a main and living room. -Yeah. It's the living room.
-Which one's your room? The living room is where I keep my computer. Okay. So that one right there,
the one that's in the corner there, the main. Yeah. Looks like a TV in the corner.
That's, that's your setup? -Yeah.
-Okay. So that's essentially your room. Yeah. So I remember you were in the other room, you were saying, I heard the word
HMTDs referring to the explosion. Yes. Yeah. We're discussing... You familiar? 100%. I know these people may know,
they know exactly how to build. They knew exactly how to build bombs over that
could have destroyed this entire building. -Who were these people?
-Adam Buffet. These people. -Okay.
-Yeah. These people, not these three individuals in there,
I mean, they're lumped in with that Brandon. Brandon's literally somebody that
has knowledge to build a nuclear bomb. I'm not meaning about that.
He's literally somebody that, he's somebody that literally went to school
for four years to study radiation, specifically to build a nuclear bomb and... Do you know if these materials
inside the condo right now? No, there's no nuclear materials. Are you sure there isn’t? Yes, there isn’t nuclear materials in that garage,
there isn’t some nuclear materials. Okay. What's in that garage? That, in that garage there are HMTD Yeah, those explosives you have,
some ammonium nitrate I believe. And I know that there's some radiated materials that
he was able to bring in through the Bahamas. And because he's a Bahamian citizen,
he was able to bring it in. How'd he bring it in? You know, brought it in through the airport. He was able to spoof the people that
were working there with the TSA. Okay. And do you know what the, is it kept in a
particular vessel inside the garage? Do you know where it's kept? It's just in the, it's in the garage or it's in his clo or it's in,
in the supply closet in his room. Okay. And you'll know because it's a giant SS flag above a lot
of the equipment ammunition and stuff like that. Okay. You know the more that I tell you, the more
you see the scale, how big things really are. Yeah, yeah. No, no, this is,
I mean absolutely serious stuff. So that's me. You can give me
to assist with, like I said, combating these, you know, these misguided individuals to say the least. Then, you know, I think we should
make the effort to do that. And it's really like, the thing that really shocks me as well with it and about like a lot of these
organizations is that they're everywhere. They're everywhere. All over America,
all over Europe and stuff like that. You have people constantly, like,
constantly planning to bomb migrant centers, constantly bombing planning,
bombing government buildings, just like the one that
we're sitting in and stuff like that. You know, it's a real deal.
They have a real intent. Like, I need you both pretty much swearing
that this is not going to get released. I can't give certain information without time. What I can do is I can restrict certain
information inside the report. Okay. Sensitive information. Alright. If this is deemed sensitive with it certainly sounds like
you're going that direction, then we can make... Well, I'm telling you something that…I'm telling you
stuff that the FBI should also be a hearing. Okay. And I’m not, I’m telling you things that, you know, agencies all over America,
all like that. I’m not trying to sound like a schizoid because
I know that I’m trampling over words and stuff. No, no. Like you, you are well,
you’re within control, man. You’re all right. You’re good. Keep going. And these people,
I mean, I know like in Russia, in Belarus and Ukraine, we were talking about people that are embedded with
NATO forces and NATO’s not even aware of it. People that, uh, literally crucify people and burn them to death in the middle of Ukraine
because they’re POWs captured by capturing from separate his forces and it’s hard,
like there’s people in Germany like plan, like basically planning to place IEDs
and stuff like that on road, on roads and Dunkirk and Berlin and stuff like that to
target refugees on buses and things like that. I know we’re talking on
a broader scale and I get. Can you bring me back to,
let’s just talk, well, not just America, I’m going more specific than that.
Let’s talk about your condo, the four of you guys in that condo. Let me, let’s back you up to when you converted.
What led to your conversion? What, what was that epiphany you had
when you, did you come across anything? I remember I came across the Quran
and started reading it. I was like, this is far better. My comp, this is far better
than any of those. Any of those... How’d you come across the Quran in the first place? It was given to me. I remember I visited in Moscow
and to see what it was about, I wanted to see
if what I was told was true and I was wrong about
what I had believed about those people. I was wrong about how I felt about
certain races of people. I realized that, you know, there’s no point in having
lingering hatred and stuff like that. There’s no point in wanting to kill a man or
a little girl just because she’s black or, or Asian. As Arthurs describes his conversion, he mentions that he no longer finds it necessary to
take the lives of others purely out of hate. If nothing else he genuinely seems to believe that
the murders he committed were for a good cause. And I remember I really held onto these beliefs
and it that really clicked to me. And I started reading into it and I found the miracles of the Quran
and the things that we got it. And that’s what really like,
sparked my interest into it. That’s what really got me. Did you have any guidance from anybody else that
was maybe more, you familiar with the faith? -Self-taught...
-Self-taught. Okay. I remember I would go to, I would go like, and this has nothing to do with
what happened today with just a little bit of context. Yeah. Give me some background. Yeah. That’s where I’m at. I remember I used to go to like the mosque
and Sly Avenue, really big mosque. I remember I used to go to
my student open backer. And those people are very kind and,
and good natured people. They don’t have, wouldn’t harm a fly. You know, they don’t talk about any of the conflicts
or anything like that going on over there. So they’re, you know, they’re fine.
They don’t have anything to do with this. Just some context on how
I really came to have this and how unfortunately things
have gone so out of proportion that it’s led to what we have right now. You know?
I mean, all I can really do at this point. Well, I know you believe that,
but then I’m asking specifics. Did you, do you know about these specific
plans that these two individuals had? Yeah. They’re planning on going down, down south to alligator alley and
destroying 500 kd lines that were going, that were going along the, the road there. How are they planning on doing that? They’re planning on taking HMTD and replacing it
at the base of the, of the thing and then blowing it up. Just these two individuals? -Oh, the Brandon.
-Brandon’s going to be a part of that as well? -Yeah. And I remember.
-Did they expect you to be a part of that? Yeah, they did. I wasn’t going
to be a part of that though. Even with your current faith,
they still expect you to go along with it. Yeah, they were just, I guess,
I mean, that’s why, I mean, I know for a fact that they wanted me to,
I’m just saying, I guess because they’re idiotic to think that
I would’ve went to go do that with them. And I remember with the nuclear materials, who’s planning on building mortar
and firing it into a, there was a nuclear plant off the coast of Florida and it’s off the coast of Miami and it’s used to power that
entire city in Fort Lauderdale and that kind of thing. And they were planning on firing
that mortar of nuclear materials in it at that plant into the cooling
things that are in the water. If that would’ve happened,
that would’ve caused a massive, massive reactor failure, which would’ve led to
the entirety of the water around there becoming irradiated. And think about a BP oils spill, except it wipes
out parts of the entire eastern seaboard. What was their purpose for doing that?
What would? Because they want, they want to do
for forthright. They’re delusional. Okay. -And they, and like absolutely delusional.
-Are there drugs involved? I mean. -No, there’s no drugs involved. This is all unadulterated just thought this,
this is just their irrational thought. It’s not just your rational thought
when they’re like getting the explosives together when they’re like, so when they’re bur
when they have a guy in the US Army, go that reenlisted specifically for the group. This being Brandon? No, not Brandon. This is somebody else in
the Midwest in Colorado, I think. -Who’s that?
-Jason. -And Jason last name?
-I don’t know his last name. Okay. But he reenlist, I’m just giving
an example. Some of the. Oh, okay. Like he reenlisted specifically for
the crew to go into his supply room and steal stuff like steal night vision goggles, take, you know,
huge me like metric times of ammunition. As time went on, he planned on doing that.
And he did do that. He got kettlebell breaks. And Brandon’s [Inaudible]. He joined specifically for
the knowledge of the training. And he wants to use that
training against the government. He did.
He doesn’t care about the United States. I mean, he literally had an American flag at the front
door that he trample on every time that he walk in. Like literally, they,
these people join the military specifically to get training to get access to equipment and
get access to being able to kill people and they, and to be more efficient at doing so. But we keep talking to
these people in generalities. I want specifically talk about the three
individuals that lived with you at that time. Brandon was the only one that
was in military, is that correct? Yes. Neither you knew the [inaudible]. Was in the French foreign
vision for a little bit. Okay. And he phased out of it. He said that there were too
many blacks in it, so he left. Okay. But he was a part of
the French foreign vision at that point and not in any arm services
or anything like that? No. -How about you?
-No. Was any, do any of you besides Brandon
have any formal military training here? No. Did, was Brandon helping you guys? Was Brandon providing any kind of training to you guys
and he was getting knowledge of the military. Yeah. Brandon was doing paramilitary
trainings and stuff like that. With you three in particular? Yeah, with us three and with a few other people. And how did that go about?
Where’d you guys do that? We would go to the Ocala National Forest and
we would go into where there’d be ranges that were pretty much never administrated by,
like, by the people. And we would shoot, we would shoot like
basically SKSs, AK 47 s and stuff like that. Where did those weapons come from? Those weapons came from
Brandon going to harm’s list and buying it basically undocumented,
which is legal in the state of Florida. But so he was just buying, uh, -Outright
-Outright. He wasn’t stealing them from
any armory that he’s a part of. He would No, no, he never did that. He said, but because his NLS couldn’t give him
access to that, to that kind of material. What is his name? [Inaudible]. 25 Q. He’s somebody that
specializes in communications. Okay. And he didn’t do that because of,
because he didn’t have access to it, you know, he didn’t have that. He, excuse me, like he,
he didn’t steal from them specifically because he didn’t have
access to those materials. And his motivation was specifically training. Yeah. His motive. Yeah, exactly.
That’s exactly what his. The arms he would take care of was on his own. There was no evidence that
any training of this type ever took place. There is so much information that
Arthurs could have gotten from the internet that it could take quite a
while to unravel fact from fantasy. Yes. The training he would
get from the US military. Yes. Okay. And he was basically like,
I mean if you go into his condo, there’s literally a portrait of Timothy McVay,
like on like on in next to his bed. Like he... -Like you ever talk about McVay?
-...Oh yeah. He loved McVay. He loved McVay. He said that, like he said that the only thing that
McVay did wrong he didn’t put more materials inside the truck to bring the whole building down. So I mean the, he absolutely like venerated, McVeigh,
there’s a, he was North Korea too, dude. Literally has a North Korean flag up
if you go up the stairs, they’re crazy. Did Brandon ever specifically talk about doing anything
similar to that, to any government buildings? Oh, absolutely. All the time. Any specific ones? Office like government offices, federal buildings. -Just in general?
-Just yeah, in general. Did he ever sit down? Did you guys ever
sit down together and plot out the operation? Yeah. You mentioned the alligator all.
Is there some plans that that’s... Yeah, it’s not going to happen anymore. ...Well, no, no. You’ve taken care of that,
but I mean, what, where are those plans? Well the advanced plans were all said verbally. Things were not written down or are tied specifically
because of this reasoning, however, there is the giant map of the United States
where we frequently go there and we would plant and we would look
at like streets and roads and stuff like that... But not actually plot anything.
It’d just be just conversation. Yes. Verbal. And I wouldn’t go into that map
and see things circle. Yeah. There’s nothing circle push,
put in certain targets or anything like that? -Nothing, nothing like that.
-Okay. And because exactly,
because of this reason. And I remember I tried to throw them off getting him
to do stupid shit that would get them caught. Such as what? Such as like, it’s very, very technical,
very specific stuff. But I would say stuff like I,
I would give them like bomb recipes that were basically duds that
wouldn’t work specifically. Like, you know, to drive all the way out
there for it to be operational failure. Now by they being those two or three of. Three of them, it’s, I don’t really have that
much knowledge on bomb making or. -Who has that knowledge?
-Brandon. Brandon has, Brandon’s an engineer as well
as the fact that he’s studied like the radiation stuff. So Brandon’s the brains
when it comes to the explosives. Yeah, absolutely. And so that stuff in that apartment is him. Yeah, that stuff is him. And but would also, would also help with like, you know, giving Brandon money to purchase
that stuff and that kind of thing. So they would fund it, but he was the,
the guy that would handle it. Yeah. Those two guys. That would be bad news if they were
in there messing around with that kind of stuff. Yeah, absolutely. How about you?
Do you got any familiarity with that stuff? I feel I, basic, basic familiarity. Do you feel comfortable with that or is that again, hey,
that’s Brandon’s thing. I know enough not to... I feel comfortable all up I feel comfortable,
like if I was to move it around, but I mean like a lot of that is not,
and is not shock sensitive. I e that if you were to send people in there like
a bomb dispersal unit to go in there and examine it,
it’s not shock sensitive stuff. So if he slammed it at the floor,
it’s not going to explode. Maybe, maybe there’s something in the cooler with
all the duct tape around it that might be shocks. Is that the garage? Yeah, it’s on the cooler. -Yeah.
-Okay. Brandon’s family didn’t know
about the explosives though. Does Brandon’s family know
about what he’s into? Yeah, they don’t like it,
but they don’t do anything bad. Okay. So they acknowledge it,
but he is all for his own. Yeah. You know, it’s just and you know, it’s just, it’s really kind of surreal for all this to be
happening because like I’ve heard, I’ve heard them say, and that’s why I’m kind of saying
that entire tape needs to like, be insensitive. Like this entire thing just… You made, yeah. I mean, just by you making that statement,
it is sensitive man. It’s sensitive material. All right. That’s what we’re talking about.
Sensitive material. You made that clear. So make sure that we have
all the bases covered here. Is there anything else in
that apartment or that condo that you think we should be made aware of? Especially if we’re going to go in there and
do any kind of searching or you know investigation. What, what’s in there that
we need to be initially made aware of? You mentioned bombs, you mentioned things in the garage,
or at least, well… Things in the garage are the bombs
pretty much like explosive materials. There is no time fused bomb there, there are
explosive materials there for making bombs. They are making, nothing put together.
Nothing’s been constructed? Yeah, nothing’s been constructed yet, but this is clearly stuff that is mined up
for the explosives there. -That’s the purpose of those items.
-Yeah. So, so that’s, that’s the,
that’s the entire purpose of it. You guys don’t build model rockets and
go out in the back and shoot them off? No. Weapons and bomb making materials
were found in the apartment. However, another member of the group they
belonged to said that the occupants were internet trolls rather than serious threats. They enjoyed posing in pictures, but lacked any real direction. Others say that the deceased were
already losing interest in the movement and moving on to other phases in their lives. You know, fireworks, 4th of July coming out. No, nothing like that. No, none of that. It’s all literally there specifically to kill people. Now is the, if anybody comes across,
is there a plan, an exit strategy? Is there a, this is what we’re going to say, this is,
make sure we’re all the same pages. This is what we we’re going to do with the stuff. No, they never planned that ahead. And whatever planning that they have behind
that back is kind of futile at this point. Well, why, why did you
remain amongst these guys? Now it begs a question as to
why they tolerated you there, but why did you tolerate being around them? Because I was an idiot and
I was just mainly thinking along the lines of, I was thinking along the lines of, oh wow, I get to stay here in this really nice apartment, in this really nice condo while
paying a rent of like 120 a month, you know, and I had the internet and stuff like that,
so I might as well just, you know, stay here. Okay. Just deal with like, the deal with like, uh, the here and there, like, like, you know. Were you working? I’ve been applying to a lot
of places to get jobs, but it just... How do you pay for your
a hundred and something rent? I mean, how does that... I have my own money and stuff like that. So where does that come from? -From my parents pretty much.
-Okay. All. So, I mean, I can, so, you know, I can, so like, the thing is,
is that it was just really cheap living there. I could get away from my family for a bit with a,
with more independently. And that’s the reason why I was there. Unfortunately, I came over and the, you know,
know this whole unfortunate thing is unraveled. Have you guys,
were you guys living together prior to? I remember me and Brandon,
we lived at a con, we lived in an apartment. I’m trying to remember the name of it,
but it was an apartment like that before this condo. -Here in Tampa?
-Yeah, here in Tampa. Remember I lived with him
and he was a lot more variable. He was at, he was a lot more,
a lot less focusing on this stuff. He was a lot more normal, if that makes sense.
Like a normal human being. So you, you think he has become more
focused to use your words on the cause? -Yeah.
-Recently? Yeah. I definitely think that.
And I think that… Has he always been, you know,
dabbling in the bomb making stuff or? Like he’s, he always liked it of like
a hobby type of thing in the past, but now it’s just more like, you know... Now its mission oriented. Now its certain purpose now it’s,
now it’s like, we’re going to be insurgents. We’re going to kill as many people as we can, and then we’re going to do this try to
achieve white revolution as they call it. So this was, this was a growing problem. Oh, absolutely. It was growing and they,
and their numbers kept on growing and stuff like that. How do you think you would’ve continued
to tolerate this or handle this? Would you, do you think you would’ve
been driven out at some point? I think that I would’ve
definitely been driven out. Like I was like today,
like I was at my boiling point. I was supposed to just messaging,
I was literally had the Skype open and I was like, about to decide like,
dude, I’m packing my shit. I’m going back to Orlando. You know, you guys can go
fuck off pretty much. And I was playing,
I was going to then contact the FBI or some local police to go like that.
Like that would’ve been me. Did you, when you converted to, to a Muslim? Yeah. All right. They were all aware of that? Yes. Did at any point in time, did you reach out for any
assistance or any guidance or anything from anybody like on
the internet or, or chatting or anything or? No. Or you just continued to do or listen to what they
were doing with their encrypted stuff? No, I did not. I didn’t try to reach,
I mean, in hindsight, it’s very stupid what I’ve done and honestly,
like, it feels almost like all of this feels very surreal,
like a dream, if that makes sense. -But you do, you went to a mosque?
-Yeah. -And you were starting to kind of self-teach.
-Yeah. When you first discovered the Corona, when you went, you were provided for Corona
and you were, you were reading it, then you went to, went to
a mosque one on Sly Avenue. Yeah. You went there and you immersed
yourself in the people that you were targeting up to
that point and realized... -...you know what, these people aren’t...
-Yeah. -They’re, they’re not the problem.
-Yeah. So Exactly. Yeah. So you kind of got caught up in that,
in the religious faith. Yeah. They weren’t these, there was no one specifically
there that pulled you aside and say listen, you know? Yeah. So we we’re planning some
things too against this other group. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re absolutely that, that those people, like,
they don’t even know me by name at that place because I go there specifically to read the resources
and stuff like that. They were there at that place. So they, they are just there to serve out their faith and religion as any other Christian would do and, and whatever denominational church they,
you know, that Christian would attend. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And you, is that what you, and immersing yourself in
that the self-teaching, is the readings. You’re saying that’s how you kind of came
around to thinking the way you do now? Yes. -There’s no, no outside sources.
-No outside source. -That recruited jail or today?
-There is no outside source, no. Okay. The outside source that
you were a part of is this other group that has been, you know,
in your head for, for a while now... Yeah. And I’ve been trying to find a way to, to get away for a while now,
and I am already a dead man. Well, do you think that whatever plan that you guys were going to carry out
specifically the lines down on Alligator Alley, do you think someone else is going
to use Brandon to continue? Do you think it’s still going to happen? Oh, I, well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It’s not going to happen. Brandon’s entire condo is now a police,
you know, police quarantine. He doesn’t have access to the materials.
He doesn’t have access to the manpower. But he could be,
he could get it again, couldn’t he? Arthurs believes his actions have
taken down whatever plot was in place. If this group was as far reaching as he claims, it is doubtful that the deaths of two members and the loss of the contents of
the apartment would stop them. If yet, I mean, it could, but I mean, like,
it would take a while for him to do that. Okay. Why, why is that? You know,
this is not something you acquire as quickly? Well, I mean, it’s just not something
he acquires quick. How does he acquire this stuff? What? I don’t exactly know, but I mean, like,
he just gets it through channels that like through legal and
illegal means by illegal means like he’ll purchase it off of people that he needs. And I don’t know anything about that,
but I know that he just purchased it off people. He went to USF, so he had access
to a lot of these classrooms and had these chemicals
and he could steal them. Okay. And he also would purchase them legally, but in the smaller packets and
over time by, you know, a lot of them so it become culminate
having much bigger, you know. Okay. Davon, so you weren’t necessarily
part of that operation? No. You’re aware of it because you’re there. Yeah. You’re aware of it because
you’re part of the group. And at one point you were a card carrying member,
really pushing forward the message. Yes. And then at some point you started
to kind of get away from that. You found something,
you know, something better. Yeah. More worthwhile. But you were still there,
you were still around part of it. -Yeah.
-So you were aware of it through that? Yes. -Is that, do I understand that right?
-Yes. You weren’t actually going out and,
and being a part of this at that point. Yeah. Yes. But these three were still there.
They were still on the cause. -Yes.
-And they, you were just privy to all that. Yes. I’m very, very concerned that when I go to
the next place, I’d much rather if I can go to a hospital or immediately
see the doctors when I go to the jail. The divers be kept separate. Yeah, absolutely. In an isolating chamber. We can talk to the people, people of be,
and they can pretty much, you know, try to get me on the right side. They can, they can do, they can do like a keep separate from you. They, I mean, it’s, it’s kind of confining
for you, but though, well. I’m not concerned. I’m not concerned about the other inmates. So it would be there.
I’m just concerned mainly of like, I don’t want to, I’m very prone to getting angry a lot. I’m very to the point where I think that
I might be kind of sick in that sense and I want to get help for that.
I want to be able to get the proper help. I think that I would much
rather be at a mental hospital where I should have been because
my family’s been telling me like, you know, go to a hospital,
try to get this stuff sorted and stuff like that. And I’d very much like to go do that. I’d like to see my opportunities
and in trying to get my mind in, you know, in place, you know, because obviously like I’m not, I don’t feel like I’m capable of living day
to day like any other like normal citizen. Like, I feel like I just really want to get like
the mental help that I can’t, I don’t feel... You think it’s beyond your religion, please. You don’t think that you can find that
help in your faith, you think? I think that my faith certainly helped me,
but I mean, when it comes to like psychiatric help, that’s more of, you think that’s word.
It’s a medical thing, you know? Right. A GVS word. That’s where you have to go.
That’s word. Definitely need. Yeah. I think that like that I would definitely the be better off just like going to a hospital or something like that and
just spending like time there trying to get me, trying to get my mind sorted. Do you, do you know their families? I mean, do they, are they still in? Yeah. Does he have any family here? No. How about... I didn’t meet his family, but they’re also, yeah. How’d you guys meet him? We drove, me and Brandon drove up to, pretty much I went with him because
I figured like you know, here is a cheap, cheap trip.
I can go, go. What was the purpose of going there?
What was the person, you guys going? Recreation, but yeah, to me with, recreation as well
as like networking for the group at that time. If you were to give any advice to the FBI or any other law enforcement groups to identify this group or the channels
that are associated with this group, where would they start?
Where would you say suggest they start? It’s too complicated for an answer.
I mean, they could, I would really need to like, meet with them and I need to show them like the resources
and stuff like that needed. It’s such a huge answer that it’s, yeah. Is there other resources? Online resources or are we talking
about personal resources? Online and personal resources
like it’s absolutely huge. Like the answer itself. Like, it’d be too simple for me
to say like Iron Martish because iron large is stored in front. Well like storm fronts is an example of like a,
of a fascist, like forum pretty much. Iron Martsh is an example of like a wholehearted, like everybody on, there’s very,
very like, dedicated huge numbers. Adam Buff and guys on there. And you know, I remember, they, Adam, Adam Boffin, like I say Boffin
because it’s like Boffin is in arms. Say that spelling for me. Spell it. A T O M W A F F E N. Okay. So that’s how it’s spelled. So Adam, like Adam Bombs
what we’re talking about. Okay. Yeah. Although he believes he is in need of therapy, Arthurs does not see the connection between that and his actions and still believes
that he has done the right thing. Because a nuclear physicist and
like well trained today for a few years. So when, so now you. Brandon, you didn’t create this group,
this group was created by you guys about... -Brandon.
-Yeah. Oh, Brandy created? Yeah, Brandon created it.
Brandon, this group, I got it. Like I mainly like figure in my head, like I could, if I could get like a meeting
with an FBI agent or something like that, I could shut down like not just Adam
but at several other organizations. Like probably we could probably facilitate that. I would very much like to do that. What, were you with Brandon
when he created this? I was not with Brandon. Did you meet him through this? When he created it, did you meet him through? I met him through the tiny chat,
but that’s just like, like I said, YouTube, it’s like a huge, it’s huge channel. But did you meet him with this common interest? Yeah. Which was specifically like
Neo-Nazis and I remember. Okay. So, and that’s how the guy
sparked your conversation with him? Yeah. Was he, had he already created
Adam Buffet at that point? Yeah. Okay. So, But it was very small at the time
and stuff like that. And as the years went on like it just
kept on getting bigger and bigger and more and more,
you know, people came on, came on board with more and
more radical views and stuff like that. -That was by his design, wasn’t that?
-Yeah. Were some of these people in the military? Yes. Okay. And you mentioned earlier, and I just want to bring you back to it,
you mentioned earlier that one of them had actually re-upped, went back in just for that. Yeah. Reenlisted specifically to steal resources. Jason in Colorado, right? Yeah. So, yeah. And like he,
if I could just talk to an FBI agent, like individually or something like that,
if I could get my computer as resources, I could show them like all these
channels and stuff like that. So on your computer there,
is there, there’s the stuff that you’ve been a part of with this would have,
would be examples of what, what I’m talking about here.
So when you saying that simple. You could find encrypted channels,
you could find names easily. You can find people that I’ve been
in contact with and stuff like that. It’d be very easy to identify
who these people are... -Through your resources.
-Yeah. When you, when you converted, uh,
you didn’t say, you know what, I’m putting this behind me. I’m, you know,
I’m ghosting the direct computer. I’m done. I’m moving on to something better. Yeah, I’m still there. No, it’s still there. Yeah. What about this Brandon and,
they have similar computer. They have like laptops and
phones and that kind of thing, and it’d be very easy to like,
to go through it and find... Desktop will be on there. Yeah. Phone contacts,
wire chats, stuff like that. Very, very easy to get through that, a lot of these in these programs don’t require, like, wire specifically doesn’t
require like a password or user. So if you just open it up on either of their things,
you can find the resources. So you would need in order to educate the, anyone else that would be
further investigating this group, you think, having your, your computer, an FBI agent as you requested,
sit down and go over this stuff, you think then you would open some eyes?
You would think it would? Yeah, I definitely do. I think that it would, that it would open
some eyes to a much bigger thing than what happened today and
I think that that could definitely like, you know, basically save a lot of lives overall.
I think that that could. -Let me ask you a question.
-Yes, sir. You... ...would be willing to sit down with an FBI agent
and explain a lot of this stuff? Yes. Absolutely. -And you,
-I want to. Okay. Usernames and passwords. You remember them. I mean, you. I don’t even need them. I can just, if I, if. Like your phone is your,
what kind of phone do you have? I have a shitty like old phone.
Like it’s a flip phone but... Okay. So it’s not,
so you don’t have like a password. It’s no password for it. What about, what about the computer? My password is buzzed. That’s what it is. -B-U-Z-Z-E-D?
-Yeah. B-U-Z-Z-E-D. -All caps? All lowercase?
-All lowercase, all over. Case lowercase, buzzed. Yeah. Is your computer still, you, you said you
were on it before all this happened. Did you shut everything down or is it still open? Still on. Still on. I lost it. Like I, I ever. Any kind of booby traps on it. Where if. No, no . I’m not talking about like bullet explosion. Things would just shut down
and erase if somebody didn’t. No, but Brandon’s computer
I know for a fact actually has a, on his computer, he has a encrypted,
but I know that don’t have that, FBI would have,
would not have a problem getting into, like reinforcing into those,
into those electronics. I mean... What about username? That’s password.
But what about user name? It’s a username for like Windows
logins for these computers. You don’t need to put in the username for these. Arthurs is eager to speak to the FBI. Which begs the question: why didn’t he contact them with the information
before resorting to shooting is roommates? Okay. So just the password.
You said Buzzed. Yeah. Yeah. But what about you?
You, did you have a Facebook at all? No. No. Facebook.
No social media at all? Well, actually I think about, I don’t have
a Facebook that I used for like, my own personal use. I had it for like,
I had it for messaging people, but I used a fake name and there’s nothing
on there that can be really found. It’s just something for that
I used for petty, like stupid. Like, but playing Facebook games
and stuff like that. And what was that? What was the,
what’s the name of that Facebook? I think he was like John Coleman or something, but it’s not really relevant to the case or anything. Okay. No, just, so obviously this day and age,
it’s going to be a standard question. Everybody’s got a face,
but he must have a Facebook. This is what he has so they can look at it
and say, oh yeah, you’re right. This is he. For nothing more than petty. Yeah. This is, I don’t know, it’s still like really overwhelming, like all of it,
you know what I mean? All that’s happened. Yeah. All. Yeah.
Well, I mean, and you know. And in the meantime you’ve
also expressed in this investigation and you wish to reach out to the FBI specifically. Yeah. About maybe doing some good, you know, having some
good come from this horrible event today. Yeah. And it may be,
it may be something worth worthwhile. I mean, they’re going to
actually be made aware of this and they’re going to do their
homework to ensure that listen, and this is, this is just being from
speaking from a private standpoint, just to make sure that you’re not talking
out your ass about something here in order to maybe gain some,
some favorable treatment. No. Okay. They have to, they have to confirm. No, I’m saying this is what they’re going to listen
to this and say, let’s make sure this stuff’s actually... Well, I mean,
the main thing that is really like, true, if you ever just even just walked into the condo, you walk into the condo, you know,
it’s going to seem really out of whack. You have giant North Korea,
you have a big North Korea. -Yeah.
-It’s going to, It sounds like what you’ve painted a picture
I was going to reek of [Inaudible]. Yeah, absolutely. But, and I’m terrified of that happening with me,
that we’ll get people killed. That doesn’t just endanger me.
That endangers your lives. I don’t condone that type of thing from police
departments, we don’t operate that way. Okay. What, you know, what happens in
here is for strictly legal purposes, it’s not for entertainment purposes,
which is what I considered that kind of stuff. We mean not release something like this.
No, this is part of this case. All right. I appreciate that. And that’s more important than, I’m not trying, I’m not trying,
I’m trying not to be like a, like an ass or anything. You’re not. And I understand that it’s just like your lives
would be endangered too. I’m just saying. We listen, we don’t necessarily, you know, have a subjective thought in this,
in this whole situation, okay? So we are in the business of just
getting the truth out there. We’re not in the business of putting
anyone else’s life in danger. Matter of fact,
we’re in a business of preventing. The detective assures Arthurs that
all of his claims will be investigated. Arthurs expresses concerns
for the safety of himself and the detectives for having that information, which shows a degree of paranoia. Devin Arthurs was charged with
two counts of first degree murder, three counts of armed kidnapping, and two counts of aggravated assault. Since 2020, Arthurs has received
competency restoration treatment after experts told the judge that
his mental condition made him incapable of a rational understanding
of the court proceedings. They diagnosed Arthurs with schizophrenia
and autism among other conditions. His trial is still pending. That’s the end of today’s video. If you liked what you watched and
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