- I never wanted to hurt my sister. I just wanted to protect
her from, that's it. But if you wanna hear how
she died, I don't know. - Okay, was she laying on the ground? - Yes and. - So you told her to lay down. - Right, and she was fully conscious, and she was talking to me during it. If I tell you this now, I
mean, you're recording this, I don't have to say it in
court or anything, right? - I don't know that for sure. - I mean, I really don't wanna, like, talk about this that much. - [Narrator] 18-year-old Keith Randulich made a short but harrowing
call to 911 on May 22nd, 2009. When the dispatcher
answered, Keith said simply, "Come over quick," and hung up. A few minutes later, he called
back and this time said, "Get over here," before he
once again put down the phone. Keith was urgently calling for help because his little sister
lay dying in the basement. After calling, he stood
looking out the windows of the home where he
lived with his mother, stepfather, two brothers,
and little sister, anxiously waiting for the
emergency services to arrive. When he didn't see any flashing lights, he made a third call to 911. But this call was even more
chilling than the previous two. When the police arrived at 7:54 PM, Keith was standing at the
front door to greet them. He was covered in blood. It was all over his
pants, socks, sweatshirt, as well as his face and hands. When police struggled to
find the injured little girl, they asked Keith where she was. And he quickly told
them, "In the basement." Keith's 16-year-old brother had been playing video
games upstairs in his room. He had no idea that a horrific incident had just occurred in the home, that is, until he saw the flashing lights from the police cars as they pulled up. He then came down and
asked what was going on. Officers ordered both
boys to get on the ground, and they were handcuffed
and searched for weapons. Neither had any on them,
but Keith told the police that, "It's in the room with her." The child, four-year-old Sabrina Clement, was found lying on her
back in a pool of blood on the basement floor
with wounds to her throat. The blood saturated into
the carpet below her. A household steak knife was on the ground, lying between her legs and feet, covered in what appeared to be blood. She was wearing a multicolored shirt that was pulled up around her chest, with pink shorts and socks. The emergency responders
checked for any signs of life, but they were far too late. (foreboding music) The house was searched,
and on the ground level, investigators also found seven red stains on the kitchen floor, the
sink, and the counter. The spots were already dry. They found a wall-mounted
telephone covered in blood. As well, the blood
droplets were on the carpet and stairs leading down to the basement. The two teen boys, Keith and his brother, were taken into custody to the
Will County Sheriff's Office. Keith was quiet on the ride over, not speaking to any of the officers. At the station, Keith's
brother was questioned first. Once officers determined
he had no helpful knowledge about what happened, he was
escorted from the station. But now, Keith was ready to talk. And no one was prepared for the chilling and disturbing story he was about to tell. Due to the unsubstantiated nature of some of the accusations
seen in this interrogation, portions have been omitted and summarized. The following interrogation
has been analyzed by a qualified team,
including a licensed attorney and a licensed clinical psychologist. - You're at the Will
Country Investigation Office downtown Joliet here. - Yes. - You've been moved from the
Mokena Police Department here. I have to ask you once again, did any police officers ever talk to you about the incident that
happened today so far? Ask you any questions about what happened? - Okay, wait, yes, I
forgot to mention this. - Okay. - Right when I went in
the car the first time, not the police officer in that car, but another police officer just said, "What was going through your blank mind?" - Okay. - [Narrator] Right off the bat, Keith is cooperative with officers. He maintains eye contact and
speaks clearly with them. His choice to not cuss
in front of the officers could be a sign that he is compliant and feels a level of respect towards them. - But that's as much as- - That's all they asked? That's all that was asked, so they didn't ask you any particulars or anything like that, correct? - Correct. - Okay, do you need a water? - No. - No bathroom breaks? - No. - You're all good? - Yes. - Okay, you're doing okay, very good. - [Narrator] These initial
gentle words and actions are done to build some level
of trust and rapport with Keith in anticipation of the
coming interrogation. - Yeah. - Okay, great, we'll be
back in one second, okay? - Okay. - [Narrator] Although some
dismiss body language analysis as pseudoscience, it's used by the FBI and CIA during interrogations. When the CIA is
interrogating an individual, they look for clusters of
three or more indicators that occur in either quick
succession or all at once. These indicators can be signs
of discomfort or uncertainty in what the individual is stating rather than indicators of deception. It's extremely important to note that you cannot detect deception through body language analysis alone. The way he holds his arms around his body, like he's hugging himself,
is a self-soothing technique and a protective position,
and could be an indication that Keith is uncomfortable, either with his current situation or with what has just occurred. He seems to be unintentionally trying to make himself look
small or insignificant. This could be a defense mechanism of trying to appear innocent. If he is smaller and talks softly, it is hard to imagine he
could commit a horrific crime. The officers leave Keith alone
in the interrogation room for over 11 minutes. The entire time, he remains
almost totally motionless, staring down at the floor or at the red stains covering his pants. - Hi, Keith. - Hi. - I know I introduced
myself back at the station, but if you didn't remember, I'm Detective Louthan. - All right. - And I'm with the
Mokena Police Department. And if you want to,
throughout the interview, call me Jason if you want or Jay. - Jay. - That's fine. - All right.
- Okay. Do you like to be called Keith? - Yeah. - Okay, and this is Detective- - I'm Detective Trinke. I'm with the Sheriff's Office,
that's why we came here. - Okay. - So, okay. - You go to Lincoln-Way? - Yes. - Okay. - Uh, east. - East? - Mm-hmm. - Okay. What are you, a senior? - Yeah. - Getting ready to graduate? - I was. - I guess, when does school end? - Uh, the last day is, like, June 1st. - June 1st, okay. - How are you doing at school? - I was gonna graduate,
I mean, I had all As, one C in English, but. - Yeah, that's cool. - I was fine, you know. - [Narrator] The officers
start out with small talk, trying to build a rapport
and comfort level with Keith. These kinds of easy
questions can get a suspect to feel more comfortable talking before the officers move on to
the more important questions. Already, Keith is using past tense when describing how he
was going to graduate. - You take any classes
or sports or anything? - No, but I mean, yeah,
I had a future, you know. - Yeah. - I didn't do this for no reason. - [Narrator] Keith
immediately acknowledges that he's done something
without any denial. This shows that he's aware
there will be consequences for his actions. Keith continues speaking in a respectful, clear, and cooperative manner. None of these behaviors
typically align with psychopathy, although it's important to
note that some psychopaths can present this way at first. - Well, we gotta talk to you
about what occurred, okay? But I'm gonna read you
your constitutional rights before we do that, okay? - Okay. - [Narrator] Keith takes responsibility for the incident right away. However, even though he may appear to be admitting some level of guilt, this is technically not an admission because there weren't enough specifics about the crime in his response or in the question he was asked. - So why don't we just do this, Keith, why don't we just start,
did you have school today? - Yeah. - Okay, why don't you just
start with how your day went, when you got out of school, what you did? Why don't you just take us through- - After I went out of school or before? - Well, when you left
school, you got out of school at 2:45 or 2:40? - Right, right. Went home. Yeah. - [Narrator] The
interrogators are establishing a timeline of his day. This sort of information
is basic background, but it starts to help
officers develop elements of the alleged crime, motive, opportunity, means, access, and so on. - I talked to my mom about moving out. She said that I could stay, but I mean, she said that she had,
I just told her that. - What was it? - I said that I wanted to
move out to a friend's house, but I didn't really wanna do that. - [Narrator] It's only now
that Keith starts to show signs that he's uncomfortable. Before, he was able to keep himself still. But as soon as he starts talking, he begins ringing his hands. He also looks down at
his hands and hesitates, all which are signs of anxiety. - I got a firearm permit last week and I wanted to buy a firearm. And she said I couldn't do that. So I was lying and saying
I'd move to a friend's house if she wouldn't let me buy it. - [Narrator] Keith emphasizes
that he lied to his mother. And his tone indicates that
this is not only something he is aware of, but something
that is meaningful to him. This could be evidence that
Keith is a rule follower or maybe a bit rigid
in his personal concept of right and wrong. He's an 18-year-old adult,
so technically he's not lying to his mother when he
threatens to move out. However, he considers this a lie, which could be an indication
of a very strict adherence to what he believes is right and wrong. This will become very important later. - Okay. - And I wanted to use this
because, not on my little sister. - [Narrator] Keith alleges to the officers that he believed his four-year-old sister was being assaulted by a family member. He claims that because he
couldn't kill her abuser, he killed his half-sister
instead in order to protect her. The allegations that Keith
makes have never been proven. And the police have not found any evidence of the claims being true. - I would tell my parents and
they would never do anything about it. And they would say, "Don't
snitch," and things like that. - [Narrator] This is
another piece of evidence which indicates that Keith has a rigidity and strict adherence to acting morally or what he believes to be correctly. - That's how that happened, so. - You confronted your parents about? - Multiple occasions for
like the past two years. - [Narrator] And the third call Keith made to 911 that night, he told the dispatcher that he had murdered
his sister with a knife. As soon as he answered the door to the responding emergency services, he told officers without hesitation, but in a soft voice, "It was me." The blood covering much of his clothing already appeared to be
dry by the time the police got to the home. - I killed my sister. He had nothing to do with it. He was in his room. I told him, he was watching
her because my parents and, were his dance. He was watching her. I said I would watch her. So he went up to his room. I took her down to my room,
which is the basement. And we just watched "SpongeBob." And she said she wanted to paint with me, so I took out a knife and, it's very disturbing. I would never have did it, but I just wanted to protect
my little sister from my. - [Narrator] Keith is very
uncomfortable as he speaks. He struggles to describe
killing his sister, becoming fidgety and
continues to wring his hands. His voice changes and becomes shaky and takes on an emotional tone. Though the officers remain
quiet and do not indicate any judgment with their body language in the hopes that Keith will
continue giving them details about the crime, he struggles
to make eye contact. That is until he begins
to justify his actions. He looks clearly at the officer in black when he says he had to do
it to protect his sister. By making eye contact at this point, it could indicate that it matters to Keith that the officer understands his reasoning or that this is the part
of what he is saying that he feels sure about, and therefore can look up when he says it. - So did you guys ever start painting? - Painting? - You said she wanted to paint with you.
- Right, no. I told her that she had to lie down and I would paint with her. That's what happened when
I took out the knife. - Did you have the knife
downstairs already? Where was the knife? - It was in right here. - You had it inside your hoodie? - Yes. - How long had you been
carrying the knife around? - Probably like five
minutes before I asked her to let me watch her. Why did you want, how come you asked, to let you watch her? - So that I could kill my sister. - Okay. - When did you start thinking about that? - When my parents said that
I couldn't buy my firearm, I knew that I couldn't kill. But I never wanted to hurt my sister. I just wanna protect her from, that's it. But if you wanna hear how
she died, I don't know. - Okay, was she laying on the ground? - Yes, and. - So you told her to lay down? - Right, and she was fully conscious and she was talking to me during it. If I tell you this now, I
mean, you're recording this. I don't have to say it in
court or anything, right? - [Narrator] Though his body language, the fidgeting show that he's uncomfortable or anxious about what he's saying. Keith uses a rather flat
and matter-of-fact tone when describing how he killed his sister. Yet his concern about having
to speak publicly in court could be an indication
of shame for his actions. - I don't know that for sure. - I mean, I really don't wanna like talk about this that much. - [Narrator] The autopsy
would later reveal that the 40 pound little
girl suffered from numerous and massive stab wounds to her neck. The disturbing reality of the crime is a stark contrast to the
soft tone of voice Keith uses to describe it. - And he was upstairs? - Okay, he was watching TV with her in the living room first. - Okay. - Then I went in there and
said, "Let me watch her." So he went upstairs to his room and then I took her downstairs to my room. - Did you have the knife at that point? - Here's what happened. I came up from my room. I did the dishes real quick. Then I just took a knife, put
it in my hoodie right away. Then I walked right in
there and said that. - So where did you get the knife? - Kitchen cabinet. - Okay. - Did you have any conversation with her? You said that she was alert. She was talking to me during it and I was just trying to do
it as quick as possible. - Okay. But she was in a lot of pain. - Okay, Keith, could
you, I know it's tough, but we'll get you through this. Could you describe to me how you did it? Let's back up a minute. Could you tell me what
kind of knife it was? - Just, it wasn't a butter
knife, it had like edges to it. - Like a steak knife type? - Right. - What kind of handle? - Just brown, it was like big. - Would you say it was metal? - How big would you say? - The handle or the blade? - The whole knife. - Oh, the whole knife was maybe like this. - Okay. Was it one of those
Knifes that you would find in your drawer with all your other forks, and knives, and spoons? - Yeah, it was just like a steak knife. It wasn't anything like
a weapon or anything. - [Narrator] This is a noteworthy phrase. Since anything can be a weapon
depending on how it's used, this sounds like some sort
of psychological distancing from the means of the crime, as well as from the crime itself. - Wooden handle or more
of a mental handle? - I think it was wooden. - Okay. And then you said you had
her lay down on the ground? - Yeah, I told her to do that. - Okay, and this was in? - My room. - Your room, which is? - The basement. - The basement, okay. - Did you tell her that
you were gonna do this? - No, I just said I loved her. And then I took out the
knife and she smiled. And I made just a little cut, neck. And I went to back 'cause I was afraid. And she screamed and grabbed her neck. And she said, "No, stop." But I just kept, I started doing it again. And then she started talking to me. And she was still conscious and said, "Why are you killing me?" So then I started on the right side. She didn't talk anymore,
but she was still breathing and had her eyes open. So I just ran upstairs
and called the police. Then when I came back down,
it looked like she died. - [Narrator] Now he becomes very emotional and his attention darts around as he struggles to make eye contact, which is an indication
that he may feel remorse. It could also show that he is shameful about what he's done or fears
judgment from the officers. The officers maintain their
calm and understanding tone. With a suspect who is timid,
like Keith appears to be, this is the approach
most officers will use, as being aggressive and confrontational will likely make him shut
down and less likely to talk. - When you went upstairs,
did you find your brother? Did your brother find you? - No, he was in his room, the living room, I mean, we had a family
phone in the kitchen. So I went to the family phone. I dialed the police. I just said, "Come here." I hung it up, went back
downstairs, checked on her. And then I went back up, I
didn't hear any police cars, so I called again. I said, like, "Come here," again. I hung it up. Then I looked outside for
more, I was like waiting. So then the police called
back, so I picked it up. I said, "There was a murder." And then I was just explaining
to them that I did it. - Where did you put the knife? - Oh, it was right next to her. - You just dropped it
on the ground by her? - Yes. - Okay. - Where were you when the police came? - I was waiting for them at the front door because the lady said, "Do
you see the police outside?" I said, "No." So I hung up the phone and
I walked to the front door and the police rang the doorbell. I opened the door and then they
just said like, "Get down." They told my brother, who came downstairs, 'cause he saw the police from his room, he said, "What are they doing here?" They told him to get down too. And my brother was in
shock because he said, "What did you do to my baby?" So. - How do you think he knew what happened? - He saw the blood. And at first, he didn't
know it was my sister, but like, someone, one of
the police officers said, like, "Who died?" I said, "My sister." And he said, "Where's she at?" I said, "The basement." Got hysterical and he said, "What did you do to my
sister?," or something, so. - What was your sister,
what was she wearing? - What was she wearing? Just a t-shirt, pants. I can't really tell you
the color or anything. I wasn't paying attention. - Okay. - After she died though, I
gave her a kiss and I said, "I'm sorry, I had to do this." I really love my sister. - When did you do that, after
you came back downstairs the first time?
- Right. Yeah, I only went down one more time, like, right after I called the police, I went back down and
that's when I did that. It looked like she was dead. - [Narrator] Psychopaths
sometimes demonstrate this bizarre dichotomy
where they will portray an image of themselves where
they have the utmost morals and values, and enjoy feeling superior to others as a result. But then they will commit horrific acts and then justify those acts. Keith has clearly justified his actions by saying that it was
to protect his sister, and that he apologized to her. - Could you just describe
for me how you did it? - Like a maniac?
- I mean, when you say the side, I guess. - Yeah, I mean, were you behind her? You know, just kinda-
- No, I was in front of her. Like, she was lying down like right there. I just was kneeling and
I just did it like that, just to her neck, like
right here and here. - Did you kneel on top
of her or on the side? - Right in front of her. - Right in front of her? Okay, so at first she thought
you guys were playing around? - Yeah, yeah. I told her that we were gonna paint. - [Narrator] Keith doesn't
appear to be distancing himself from the crime here. He even shows on his own body where he cut his sister's neck. The only real indication
that he's uncomfortable is his nervous laugh. - Right when my mom told me
that she wouldn't let me use any of my money to buy a firearm. - And that would've been
when you first got home from school around 3 o'clock, 3:30? - Like, yeah, 3:30. - [Narrator] The officers
are trying to establish if the crime was premeditated. Notice that Keith holds his chin as though he is deep in thought. Not only does he appear comfortable
answering this question, but he also wants to get
the exact time correct. - That's her name, Sabrina. - Sabrina. - Up until today, when
you had the discussion with your mom about the firearm, you stated that you wanted the firearm to- - Right, to shoot. - To shoot. - And that was it. - [Narrator] This is the first time Keith mentioned his
sister's name out loud. He may have been referring
to her as my sister prior to this as a way to
assert his relationship to her. If Keith is a psychopath,
this phrasing could be an indication that he may have felt like he had ownership over Sabrina, which could work to justify
his actions to himself. In contrast, he could also
have been distancing himself from her and the crime by
not actually using her name until now, after he's
discussed killing her. Once he's used her name, you will see that he's more comfortable
using it going forward. - Yeah, that was all I
would have used it for. - So you never thought
about killing Sabrina up in until that point in time? - Never. - It wasn't until your mom said, "No, you're not getting a firearm." - She said I had to like
go out and work for it. But he was tormenting my sister, like worse and worse every day. - Why did you choose her neck area? - I thought it'd be the
fastest way to kill Sabrina, just as quick as possible
without as much pain. - Did you ever see this anywhere, I mean? - No, I don't think, I
mean, I've heard about it. Like there was like people
who strangle people. I didn't wanna do that to
her 'cause, but I mean, she was in an extreme
amount of pain though, I'll tell you that. She was screaming, and crying, and trying to fight me, but
she couldn't fight back, so. - Did you ever think
at some point in time, you could have stopped? - I did, right after I cut
her neck the first time. I made a little cut and then I stopped. And then she grabbed her neck, but I just kept going. - Did you ever do any
research or looking into. - No, sir. About doing anything like this before on the internet or any books or anything? - No. - Did you talk to my parents at all or? - No, we have not. - Okay. - You all right? - Yeah. Also, I just like to say
real quick that my mom and my stepfather are pretty good people. - [Narrator] Keith's
comments about his parents are a form of deflection,
but it seems out of place since he's accepting blame for the crime. - Hanging in there? - Yeah. - I don't know if you
wanna drink it or not, but it's just water. - All right, yeah, I know. All right, thanks. All right, hang in there. We'll get you through this. - All right. - All right. - [Narrator] The
interrogators left the room, leaving Keith alone for about 20 minutes. He remains almost
motionless the entire time. Once again, holding himself
with his arms around his waist. The fact that an officer
returns with water for Keith is interesting because he
previously declined any. There may be a sense of shock and pity on the part of the investigators. The friendly gesture could also help to build rapport and trust with Keith. After the officer leaves the room again, Keith will be left sitting by himself for another 50 minutes. This is interesting
because often the police do not leave suspects sitting by themself for long periods of time, unless there is a purpose to it, such as their own need to
regain emotional composure, to verify the suspect's statements, or as a tactic to unsettle the suspect or give them time to reflect on their own answers to questions. Often, interrogators do not
want to give the suspect too much time on their own
because they may use it to concoct a story that
they will then stick too. But in Keith's case, he
appeared very truthful, forthcoming, and fully cooperative during the interrogation so far. Though he may have paused at times, he answered every question he was asked. Once again, Keith
remains almost motionless for nearly an hour, barely
shifting in his seat. - How you doing? - I'm all right, how are you? - Do you need more water or anything? - No, I'm fine.
- Bathroom? - Not right now. - Okay. - [Narrator] The interrogators return in order to clarify some
of the details with Keith. They focus on trying to
understand his motive and clarify his confession. Though a motive isn't
something that must be proven in court, often a jury can struggle to imagine a suspect willingly
choosing to kill someone as close to them as a sibling. Knowing Keith's motive will help a jury to imagine the reason the crime occurred. - Keith, we just wanna go over
a few more things with you, ask you a few more questions. We have interviewed and spoke
to some other family members so we have a better idea
of what was going on within your family, so. - [Narrator] Keith begins
to give the interrogators more details about the alleged assaults which he claims Sabrina suffered. He details specific instances
where he began to believe that Sabrina was suffering. Once again, his strict personal moral code comes into play here. He appears to have felt compelled to do what he believed was right, even if it meant taking
such extreme measures as to kill his own sister. But I think he doesn't consider
his actions as extreme. He seems to have a laser focus
on just making things right, that he is completely blinded to the fact that he is committing a murder. He seems to severely lack common sense in seeing how horrific his solution is. Keith reiterates his
claim that he was trying to protect his sister by killing her. This is crucial as it
appears to be his motive or at least the motive he's stating, whether or not that is actually
the case is another thing. At this point, Keith has said twice that he is 99% sure an
assault had occurred. But as he tells the story
for the second time, he also clarifies that
he isn't completely sure that they did take place. This is of course a contradiction. It appears that he believes his statement, but he waivers when he
admits he doesn't have proof. - Did you consider Sabrina your sister and your blood?
- Yes, absolutely. - You never wanted to
exclude her from the family? - Never. - Did you ever have any ill feelings or discontent about her being born because it was with a different father? - No, that's, I don't know
why my mom said that, okay? - Keith. - [Narrator] The investigators
are not necessarily discounting Keith's motive
of protecting the victim from abuse, but from a
rational perspective, it does not make sense. They are fishing for other
motives, more logical ones, that might help make sense of the crime. The interrogators offer him other motives, ones that they seem to
think make more sense, such as resenting his
little sister being born. But Keith is adamant that this is untrue. On the surface, it appears that Keith had genuine familial affection
for his little sister, which makes this all the more
unusual in terms of motive. - Sabrina was always part of my family. - The problem I have, that we both have is how could you be protecting Sabrina by doing what happened tonight? - Yeah. - Doing that, I mean, it's. - Well, I'm not proud of that. There's no excuse for it. I knew what I was doing. It was premeditated, you could say. Looking back- - I'm just gonna stop you real quick. When you say premeditated, what do you mean it can be premeditated? - Well, like, the legal
definition thought out. I thought about it like at 3:30, I did it at like a couple hours later, so. It was not temporary insanity, but. - [Narrator] The fact
that Keith speaks clearly, and with understanding about
his crime being premeditated, and that the act was not the result of temporary insanity show
that he is intelligent and indicates that he
likely did some research before the murder, looking into what his
consequences would be. - No, but what would put you in this, what at 3:30 made you start thinking that you wanted to do this to her, I mean? - Okay. - Something must have happened and that's what we're
trying to figure out, because, Keith, you're not
telling us the whole story. - All right, I told you what happened. My mom said I can't.
- But you're telling us the whole truth. - She said I couldn't buy a firearm. I wasn't going to get this firearm and just kill, right away. I was never gonna do that. That was just an option I wanted to have in case anything ever happened, where he got out of
control with my sister. But she said, "There's no
way you're getting this." And, is bigger than me,
he's taller than me, he's a lot stronger than me. I would rather have got, out
of the way than my sister, to be honest. - But you didn't and you
got rid of your only sister. - Right. And she was the person I
loved the most in my family. She was my best friend. - Why did you love her the most? Okay, it's not that I didn't
specifically love my parents. It's just that me and
her were always close. We spent more time
together than anyone else. Well, I mean, she spent
the most time with her mom, but I spent the most time
with her than anyone else. - [Narrator] The interrogators
begin putting more pressure on Keith in implying that he
is intentionally lying to them or not being honest to
himself about his motive. Because the motive doesn't make sense, the investigators feel they must probe for a motive that does. The problem is that it looks like both are discounting the possibility
that Keith's reasons may be internally consistent to himself, even if externally, they
are wholly unreasonable and illogical. - You seem like a good kid and I believe in a lot
of what you're saying. - Yeah. - But I'm not believing everything. - Okay, I mean, if you have something you want me to clarify, I will. - Well, here's what I
don't want to happen. I mean, obviously, there's a death here. - Yeah. - Your sister is gone. - I know. - Tomorrow or whenever, we go through a process
where we just determine the cause of death. And when we do that, it's a
full examination of a body. - Yeah. It's an autopsy. - Absolutely. - Yeah.
- And my concern is that, are we gonna discover anything else that could have happened? - Yeah. - Or maybe it may have
happened and Sabrina said no. And that's why this whole thing happened because Sabrina's growing up now. - Like she said no to what? - That's why I'm just asking. I mean, did anything
take place where Sabrina was fighting with you and said no? - Oh, absolutely not. She was completely innocent. I saw her, we were watching "SpongeBob." She said, "Let's paint." So I just said, "Lie down." And that's when that, she's
not to blame for this. - I wouldn't say she's to blame for this. I mean, that's not, what
I'm trying to figure out is- - You're saying, like,
did she like instigate me or anything? - Did she instigate you or did you maybe get excited and get
aggressive to her or anything? - No, I was absolutely not like that, sir. - Have you ever? - No, like I said, I
think, might have did. At least there was that one time for sure, but I was, I'm not like a child. I don't like little children. - [Narrator] Even when the interrogator is probing to see if Keith ever had an inappropriate relationship with his little sister, it takes him a while to
understand the implication. He still refers to the officer as sir, remaining both calm and respectful. - Keith, you've made numerous statements of how beautiful Sabrina was and how much you loved
her and she's your friend. - Right. - Well, how could you hurt
something so beautiful? What would- - Yes. - What could make you do that? - [Narrator] You can see that one of the interrogator's
body language has changed. He's no longer sitting
back with his chest open, but is hunched over. And he frequently rubs
his forehead and face. This could be because
he's feeling frustrated that he can't seem to get
the answers he's looking for from Keith. The officer is no longer
trying to establish a rapport or sense trust with Keith,
but his tone remains calm, despite outward signs
that he may be frustrated. - Abuse of her was
getting worse and worse. Like I said, my original
plan was if, got out of line, I would just take care of
him and then I'd be here just about a 14-year-old
instead of a 4-year-old. I didn't wanna do that. - But Keith, you know right from wrong. - Yes, I do. - You're a man, right?
- Right. Yeah. - [Narrator] The interrogators have consistently been implying or outright saying that
there is something more here, a missing piece that
can potentially explain more about what compelled
Keith to commit this murder. - Okay, what would you do- - If you're so mad at,
for what he's doing, you turn around and do something
worse than what, was doing. - If it was, I disagree with that. - I'm not saying it was,
but what you did tonight, I mean, it's. - Well, it took about four minutes, but she's not in any more pain anymore. She's not like, every day, having someone torment her. - [Narrator] He seems to have rationalized that killing her in four minutes is better than her continuing to suffer. This is another example of
how he has very rigid thinking and very strict ideals of right and wrong. - Did you ever talk to a school counselor? - About what? - About what was-
- Your counselors always talk to you every year. - Okay, about maybe,
or going to the police and telling them what
was going on at home or, I mean, there's options of when
there's abuse taking place. - Right. - I mean there's Department of, DCFS, Department of Child and Family Services. I mean, there's, did you ever think about any of those things? - I've told my parents and
they just like laughed at me and they said, "Don't be
a snitch," and whatever. I didn't have the DCFS number. - [Narrator] Keith deflects here, once again rationalizing his decision. - I'm not a parent so
I really wouldn't know about that stuff. - I mean, I've heard about it, but I didn't remember
any of it at that time. - I just wanna make sure that
we're not leaving anything out because you know, like I said before, we wanna put this behind us and move on. - Okay.
- Deal with what we have to deal with. - Yeah. - But I'm concerned that
maybe there is still more that's not, that we haven't talked about and we haven't figured out. And I just wanna make sure that, I mean, and if you feel fine and you don't wanna talk about it, that's none of my business
then, none of our business. But I think there is more
there that we need to get out and clarify 'cause I
can tell just, I mean, I don't know you, I just met you today, but you just don't seem
like you're comfortable, like there's something more
that maybe you don't trust us to talk about yet. - I completely trust you. I trust the police,
that's why I called them. I have nothing to hide. I didn't change my clothes and hide them. - No. - I didn't frame anyone,
I admitted it right away. - [Narrator] Keith is a complex case. He's been forthcoming and cooperative the entire interrogation, and even before when he
immediately called the police after killing his sister. But it could be said that he likely has anti-social personality disorder with narcissistic features, since he felt he had the right to make such a horrible decision and
end the life of his sister. However, there are really
no observable indications of significant anti-social
or narcissistic traits during his interrogation. There are no indications of a God complex nor any overt evidence that
he has a lack of remorse. Keith doesn't appear to
be enjoying the attention he's receiving from committing the murder and being involved in the interrogation as many psychopaths do. - I'm just trying to get this over with. Whatever my punishment is, it is. I'm fine with that. I have nothing to hide. I mean, if you have any more questions, I'll discuss them with you. But I'm not hiding anything. - Okay. - Was there anything that you were afraid
Sabrina could say about you? Were you.
- No. - Threatened by anything? - I told you, I had no
relationship with my little sister. - [Narrator] Here, he
reverts back to referring to Sabrina as my little sister, perhaps feeling the need to
once again distance himself from using her name. As you'll see, the
interrogators are still fishing for a motive that makes
more sense to them. They cannot seem to accept
his irrational explanation that killing his sister
was a way to protect her. - Well, I'm not talking about. I'm saying, did she
know about something or? - Oh, no, no, she did not. The only thing was, when
I pulled out the knife, I knew right then that I had
to kill my little sister, 'cause she saw it and there was no going back at that point. - [Narrator] Keith mentioned
that once Sabrina saw the knife, he knew there
was no turning back, that he had to kill her, because she knew his
intentions at that point. This is strange because
he turned himself in and confessed to her murder. So why would he care that she
would've maybe seen the knife and suspected he planned to harm her? - Me and my mom had a fight
about the firearm thing so she would not leave me in charge, she wasn't just friendly towards me, like she brought me dinner, but she wouldn't leave me in charge with Sabrina at that time. - How'd that make you feel? - We talked about, she asked
me originally, last week, she's like, "You wanna
babysit for 650 Sabrina?" I said, "Yeah, I'll
babysit her for that day." Then we got in a fight
and then she just said, "is gonna babysit." That had nothing to do with
why I did what I did though. The only reason she didn't let me babysit was because me and her had a fight. - And how did that make you feel, that you weren't babysitting? - Well, I mean, okay, you
have to understand this. So she was in my room before that though, like before they left,
when she was getting, she got us Taco Bell, before they left, she was in my room, like playing with me and stuff. So it wasn't like I
couldn't see her, you know. My mom knew that we were playing
together and whatnot, so. - But earlier, you said
you first thought about doing this at 3:30? - Yeah, around there, yeah. - So then she came down into your room. - Yeah. - After that, and you played with her? - Yeah. - [Narrator] The implied motive that maybe Keith killed Sabrina to get a sort of revenge
against his mother for not being allowed to
babysit is a weak motive. But it's one that fits better into the police's
understanding of a motive. - That was around maybe
like 4:30 to 5 something. So if you already at 3:30
had it set in your mind that you were gonna do this, how come you didn't do it at that time? - Because my mom was coming home and my stepfather was still home. So I didn't want one of them to stop me before I finished it. I knew that once I started, like, Brina would be horribly disfigured and have like breathing
problems the rest of her life if she didn't like die at that time, so. - [Narrator] It's clear
that Keith put some thought into the crime and it's possible outcomes. - Were you worried about, being home? - No. I knew he'd just go in his room. I mean, he had nothing to do with it, but. - Why did you think he
would just go in his room? - He listens to music, that's his thing. He didn't know anything though, you know. - What would you say if
he told us otherwise? - You could ask him, but he's not gonna, I don't know what he would say because all I know is the truth. He didn't know I had a knife right here when I asked him to let me watch Brina. You could interview him. I never talked to him, "I think I'm gonna cut
Brina's throat today." I never said that to him or anyone. I didn't even know about
it till it was 3:30. - So before 3:30 today,
it never crossed your mind that you wanted to end Sabrina's life, harm her in any way? - No, I was thinking if
I had to do it to anyone, I would have to do it to. - Why do it at all? - Because, could not be stopped. His mom spoils him and
he has a sugar problem where he can't control himself when he has any amount of sugar. - What did you worry about when you say, was getting bigger, stronger? - Yeah, well, he was bigger
and stronger than me. I wasn't worried about it. It's just that's why I didn't
attack him with a knife because I couldn't, he's
a lot stronger than me. - [Narrator] Keith appears
to not wanna risk himself because he says that the alleged assailant is bigger and stronger than him, which is why he needed the firearm. It could also mean that he knew the person would be able to retaliate
against him if he did anything. Keith was able to
logically understand this, and therefore, refraining from targeting the alleged assailant in order to actually protect himself from harm. However, he was willing
to sacrifice Sabrina because he still felt
compelled to right the wrong. - And you knew your parents
were going out this evening, so that's why you?
- Yes. - Well, okay, like I said, I
knew that they were going out, but I only thought of that plan at 3:30. - Keith, did you ever have anybody try to take advantage of you at any time when you were little? - No. - Okay. - No, sir. - I just wanna make sure.
- Yeah, I know. Okay. - I can't crawl into your mind, he can't crawl into your mind, but we just wanna make sure that we get, you know, that we can understand. - Sure. - We have a job to do. - I know, I know. - And you know, there's gonna be a lot of questions asked of us. - Right. - So we gotta be able to bring closure to your brothers, to your mom and dad. - I understand. - Do you know what closure means? - Comfort, condolences. Reason. - Try to help them understand why. - Yes. Well, I didn't wanna do it, but the main reason why I did it was just because, was getting just too, he was getting worse and
worse as the days went by. - How do you feel now that
you did it and it's over with? - I feel that if I could go back, I would try and do it to, and not her. Maybe I would get a job and work so I could just take care of,
instead of my little sister. I mean, it was a waste of life. If I could have went to the police and proved anything about, I
definitely would've did that, but I didn't have any proof. - Pretty much covered everything then? - Yeah. - Keith? - Yes, sir. - We've covered everything? - Yeah. - I just feel like when
I'm talking to you, you don't wanna look at me, like. - Oh, I'm just- - You know what sometimes that means when people don't wanna look at you when they're talking to you? - Right. - Sometimes it means that they're not telling
you everything. (laughs) - I mean, I just want to
get out of these pants so, you know. - Okay, we'll get you outta those. - Well, you want more water? - No, well, all right, yes, please. - Okay, I'll get you another cup. - So am I staying here tonight then? - Well, we're gonna take
a quick break real quick and we'll be back in. - Oh, okay. - Give you some water. - We're gonna work out the clothes thing. - And we're gonna get you out of those. - Yeah. - Anything else you need? - No, just the clothes. - All right, sit tight, I'll
get you some more water, all right? - All right, thanks. - All right. - [Narrator] An officer
and an evidence technician will now come to photograph Keith and collect all of his clothing. This is standard procedure. The soiled evidence will
be placed in paper bags prior to analysis. - Hi, Keith. I've got some clothing
for you to wear, okay? Because we need to take the
clothing that you have on. Okay. We're gonna do it on
the opposite of camera because you have to strip down of everything that you have and give it to our evidence technician. And then we'll go ahead and we got clothes for you to put on. - All right.
- Okay? - [Narrator] Throughout the interrogation, Keith maintains his
story without deviating. Nothing about this case makes sense. Though in the final disposition, it appears that the story Keith
tells is the truthful one. The next day, Keith's
mother and his stepfather were brought in for a short interview. At 9:10 PM the previous night,
while Keith was in custody, they, along with their youngest son, had returned to their home
to find a crime scene. The investigators at the scene
told them what had happened and that both of their
other sons were in custody. During their brief interview, Keith's stepfather told police that he had been acting strangely lately, but that he was a quiet kid
who mostly kept to himself and didn't have a lot of friends. However, he was certain everyone got along okay in the family except for a few normal arguments. In contrast, Keith's mother, Anne Clement, had a very different story to tell. Keep in mind that they
just learned the day before that their young daughter
had been killed by their son. What she said was revealed
in police documents, which state that this is not verbatim. She claimed that Keith
actually didn't get along with or like anyone in the
family except for Sabrina, and was often ungrateful, disrespectful, and said hurtful things
to his family members. There were even a few
incidents of physical violence between Keith and his mother, and sometimes, with one of his brothers. Before they left the Sheriff's office, she also made it clear that she never saw any evidence of abuse or assault. After the interrogation, investigators took a
closer look at the home. They found what was described
as disturbing writings and journal entries
created by a family member. Most appeared to be
stories or song lyrics, and eerily, some reference
to violent imagery and a child being killed
by having their throat cut. One read, "I left another
body in the street choked, her clothes blood soaked, and
the attack was unprovoked. I'm the reincarnation
of Elizabeth Báthory. There ain't one inch in
my house that ain't gory, mutilating and bathing in the blood of female preteens and babies. The blood of the innocent
shall grant me immorality." While another read, "I enjoy it when someone I'm about to
kill screams and cries." The police concluded that
Keith hadn't written the notes, nor had the family
member who Keith accused of assaulting Sabrina. The family member who
wrote the journal entries said they were lyrics to Eminem songs. And it was determined that they
were unrelated to the crime. Keith was eventually determined
to be psychologically fit to stand trial. The psychiatrist found in their report that Keith has a personality disorder, but it didn't specify what disorder. Keith ended up entering
a blind plea of guilty to first degree murder for the slaying of his four-year-old
sister, Sabrina Clement. A blind plea is where a
suspect pleads guilty in court before any agreement is in place. It's called a blind plea
because there are no guarantees. And the sentence is all up to the judge. In 2011, none of Keith's family members or friends attended his sentencing. Though he was just as soft
spoken as he had been earlier, Keith spoke directly to the judge. And once again, kept to the same story that he told officers
during his interrogation. He also claimed that the state attorney shouldn't, quote, even
be allowed to judge him because they didn't grow up in a situation similar to his own. The prosecutors had
requested a life sentence, or a 60 to 100 year term. That way, Keith would be in
prison for the rest of his life. However, in April, 2011, he was sentenced to 40 years of straight time in prison, meaning that he must serve the 40 years and will not receive a
reduction in his sentence for good behavior. Keith Randulich is currently at the Pontiac Correctional Center. His projected parole
date is May 21st, 2049. He will be 58 years old by
the time he is released.
