So you want to buy a new GPU. That's super or
maybe you're looking at buying one of those new RTX 40 series super GPUs and you know what
that's pretty super too. Well good for you kid and I'm sure you're going to be happy with whatever
choice you make, but before you hit that buy button let me arm you with some helpful information.
You might just want to know some of the details we're about to share in this video and grab a
cup of coffee or a snack or two, because we're about to take you on journey. Now when it comes
to buying GPUs there is a lot to think about. So we've compiled another buyer's guide to help
you potential GPU purchaser, because even though 2024 just started it's already been a big year
in GPUs already. Much like our guide we put out for the 4070 Super we're going to give you some
data points, talk about things worth considering and ultimately help you decide which GPU is right
for you. But instead of looking at just one of the super GPUs and GPUs we're going to look at all of
them together and they're competitive counterparts from AMD. Now before we get too much further we
have a bit of a heart-to-heart. So let's gather around the table it's family meeting time. We
know how passionate you guys are about topics like this and you know what we get it, because we
are too. We have a number of competing opinions on GPUs here on the Robeytech Team and honestly
our disagreements and openness to listen to one another have been super helpful at honing our
conversations when we talk about them in a video like this. No I don't write these in a vacuum. We
have an incredible team of people here at Robeytech that include members of our community that
help us chisel these guides down to a quality guide with multiple points of view represented.
It's like a sixpack of GPU goodness. So whether you're a fan of Team Green, Team Red, or Team Blue
I have one simple request. For the next few minutes let's forget about which team shirt we're wearing
and appreciate that we have have a GPU landscape where there is an incredible competition and
options at every single price point. And that this kind of competition only pushes each company to do
better and that there are members of our community who represent all of these different points
of view. Besides red shirts end up in horrific accidents, blue shirts end up just cleaning up the
messy pile of red shirts, and green shirts end up getting stuck at stuffy Starfleet parties with
weird food. I'm actually not sure which fate is the worst. So why this guide? Why now? Well because
of these right here. The new super GPUs from Nvidia and how the release of these GPUs shook up the
current landscape of GPU recommendations. When we initially heard the announcement from Nvidia that
there would be new super GPUs in the 40 series we had to know what changed since the launch and
why Nvidia was giving us super GPUs instead of say new architecture, like the 50 Series. We
actually asked Nvidia directly, which in case you missed the short you can watch it actually right
here, and Justin from Nvidia, who by the way has the greatest name on the planet, said that since
the 40 series launched Nvidia had time to refine architecture while adding more cores, Ram, Etc. with
their better yields and all of the awesome stuff that comes with refined production. Speaking of
better yields if you want a better yield of tech knowledge and PC Building knowhow make sure you
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miss content like this in the future. Okay so now let's introduce you to these GPUs that have just
entered the limelight. Starting with the RTX 4070 Super. This mid-range GPU is a bit of a monster
when you look at its glow up from its non super counterpart. The 4070 Super has over 21.7
more shaders, ray tracing and tensor cores than the non super 4070. While the 4070 Super has the
same 12 GB of vram and 192 bit memory interface the base clock has slightly increased from 1.92
to 1.98. The Boost clock on the other hand stays the same as the nons super at under 2.48 GHz and
launched at $599. We've already seen how performance this GPU can be in our mid-range GPU buyers guide,
but we're still going to talk about it right here, because this is an all up guide. Now next up we
have the 4O70 Ti Super. At least this is the ASUS TUF Gaming take on the latest super model since
the Ti didn't make the Founders Edition treatment. Starting at $799 the 4070 Ti Super takes us into
the enthusiast territory where parts get bit pricier for better performance. For its upgrades
the 4070 Ti Super vram has been buffed from 12 GB to 16 GB of gddr 6X and its memory interface
has been increased from 192 bit to 256 bit. The base clock is increased from 2.31 to 2.34 while
the Boost clock remains the same at 2.61. So it's like Nvidia sent the 4070 Ti to the gym and it
starting to show some results. Now you might be asking Robey the 4070 Super was juiced compared
to the 4070, did Nvidia do the same thing with the 4070 TI Super? Well we didn't quite have the same
21.7% increase like we saw with the 4070 Super, but the 4070 Ti Super does have 10% more shader
cores, 9.67% more ray tracing cores, and 10.14% more tensor cores. Thanks to a core upgrade from
the 8104 trip to the 8103, which interestingly enough is the same one used in the RTX 4080. Now
speaking of 4080s we come to the Colossus of the new stack of cards the 4080 Super and this one
is impressive in a very different way. The 4080 super has a 5% increase in shader, ray tracing
in tensor cores, as well as a modest 4% bump in base and a 1.8% bump in boost clock speeds. It still
has only 16 GB of vram, though only doesn't sound right, but the memory bandwidth has seen a 20
GB per second increase. For overall increases it's, it's not much, but you know what it's honest
work. Especially when all of these increases come with a 16.6% price reduction from $11199 down
to $999. 9999999 It just feels like one of those informercials. Wait did Nvidia just really give
us a better GPU for less money? What's going on here. I didn't think Nvidia did stuff like that. Yes
in this case they actually did. The new price tag puts the RTX 4080 Super at the same price point as
the AMD Flagship GPU, the Radeon RX 7900 XTX. A GPU that the 4080 has been like trading blows with over
the past year, but wait you might say. The 7900 XTX is now the same price as the 4080 Super, but the 4080
Super only has 16 GB of vram and the 7900 xdx has 24 and the internet told me that more vram means
it's better and since that's the loudest voice it must be right. And you know what, to that I say hold
on, not so fast. Now there is a lot of incomplete information surrounding this topic and we're
working on putting a video together to explain what vram is how it works and how much much of
it games actually need for optimal use. To do this we're working on rounding up a group of qualified
experts, not the internet, to give a clearer picture, but be patient on this one, because we want to make
sure we do this right and it's going to take some time. Now since we can't get too deep into this
conversation at the moment for now I'm going to shoot straight with you. At this level when you're
looking at 16 gigs versus 24 GBs the difference in gaming is not as big as you think given all of
the arguments around it. Most game developers are optimizing their games to allocate 4-8 GB of the
GPU memories for their gaming use. Hold on, wait, what. That doesn't make any sense. It is actually,
because if you think about it with what 12 gigs is or even 8 gigs that is the top 2% of all GPUs
and that's how they don't make money. And see this doesn't even cover how much of the allocated vram
actually gets used on the optimized settings. Now keep in mind I said optimized settings, not extreme
settings. There is a difference. Can games use more than 4 to 8 GB of vram? Absolutely. We wouldn't have
this whole debacle if that wasn't true, but what we're starting to see in situations like Hogwarts
Legacy is that it's just the devs devouring vram at launch. That's not a vram problem. That's a
development optimization problem. Look I'm not blowing smoke here. I worked in game development
for over 20 years and I can confirm this is true, but like I said we're working on a thorough
examination of the topic so hang in there. Now until we get a clear picture we have to put to bed
the blanket notion that more vram makes a superior GPU and gently, but firmly hold a pillow over that
rumor's face. Okay that took a dark turn really fast. Maybe that wasn't your question and you're
just wondering what is NVIDIA doing with the non super GPUs and now you're just too scared
to ask. I have a less violent answer on this one. So far Nvidia plans to drop the price of the 4070
non Super to $559, but Nvidia has different plans for the 4070 Ti and 4080. These GPUs will continue
to get driver support alongside the RTX 40 series GPUs, but production will fade away into the
sunset. Kind of like the 6000 series from AMD, which is finally starting to thin out after
all that over production. Onward to the question on everyone's collective minds. How well do these
GPUs perform? How much more Super are the super gpus versus the non-super? And how do they stack
up against the competition? Since we're going to be looking at a lot of information here we're
going to look at this data a little differently from how we did when we looked at the 4070 Super.
We'll look at the percentage differences between the Super, non-Super, and the comparative Radeon
GPUs. Just for clarity's sake when we talk about percentages they are based on the performance of
the Super GPU being tested in that category. Once we have all of that information we'll talk about
any standout patterns we see and what they are. For our testing we paired the 4070 Super with the
4070 and the RX 7800 XD. For the 4070 Ti Super we paired that with a 4070 Ti and the RX 7900 XT.
And finally for the 4080 Super we paired that with the 4080 and the 7900 XTX. Hey there's all
categories and we're all like glued together. To gather performance we tested six games that do
a good job of showcasing features and pointing out biases between GPUs. In other words there are
games that are totally good for NVIDIA and games that are totally good for AMD and games that are
good for no one. In five of these titles we tested at 1440p on their highest available settings
and in the case of Cyberpunk 2077 that meant ray tracing Ultra. And Modern Warfare 2 we tested both
extreme settings for those who enjoyed the very short campaign and minimum settings to maximize
frame rate for competitive play, like most of you do in Call of Duty. We also took the minimum
spectum approach with Fortnite as well. Now when we get to testing with super sampling we used each GPUs native super sampling when available. There are a few exceptions that we had to use, like Intel
xcss and TSR for AMD and FSR for NVIDIA. Yes that's something that actually happened. Now once we've
compared enhanced and non-enhanced data for each set we'll talk about which GPU is right for who.
So with all of that exposition out of the way, 3 hours into this video, let's actually begin to talk
about the 4070, 4O70 Super and the 7800 XT in pure rasterization. In the battle of mid-range GPUs the
4P70 Super and the 7800 XT were neck and neck. We're talking about .29%, but there is a story behind this
number. In Cyberpunk 2077, Forza Horizon 5 and Shadow the Tomb Raider and Tiny Tina's Wonderland the
4070 Super had a lead of 5% at the low end and nearly 35% at the high end. Modern Warfare 3 ended
up being contested territory with a 7800 XT leading by a 2% margin at extreme settings with the 4070
super took a nearly 6% lead at minimum settings. It was actually Fortnite that skewed the whole thing
as the RX 7800 XT took a 16% lead over the 4070 Super. As for the OG RTX 4070, the 4070 Super had an 8%
lead on average across all the games. The only time it came close to performing on par with a
4070 Super was in Fortnite. What a troublemaker. Now when we add in super sampling, like dlss, FSR
and xcss, the gulf between these GPUs actually got wider. Overall the non super 4070 trail behind
behind its new super friend by 7.68%. While the 7800 XT fell behind by 16.3% overall. And that
overall is important because the 7800 XT still bested the 4070 Super by 11% in COD and extreme
settings and just over 3% in Fortnite. Hold on to that clue. It might just be useful information
later. What was really interesting to see in this group was just how well the RTX GPUs did using
FSR and Tiny Tina's Wonderland. This is a small aside here, but seriously if you have the option
for super sampling try them all, because one may work better and not just necessarily the native
one. You might actually be surprised. Now moving on to the Enthusiast GPUs the story gets a little
bit more competitive. The 7900 XT has some clear victories in titles like Modern Warfare 3, both
at extreme and at minimum settings, as well as Forza Horizon 5, while Fortnite was close enough
to call it even. And by close I mean 0.55%. On the other hand the 4070 Ti Super was dominant in
titles like Cyberpunk 2077. Shadow the Tomb Raider and Tiny Tina's Wonderland. Overall, the 7900 XT came out
to play here leading the 4070 TI Super by 1.5% in our non-enhanced benchmarks. As for the 4070 Ti
it fell behind the Super by about 4.22%, but it did have one Shining moment In the minimum
spec benchmark of Modern Warfare 3. When we dug in this a bit more to find out what happened
here it looked like the 4070 Ti Super was doing more of the heavy lifting on this one instead of
sharing some of that workload with the CPU. While the 4O7O Ti non super was doing a far more balanced
approach. Now the story was pretty similar when we enabled super sampling the 7900 XT led the pack in
Forza and Fortnite, as well as Call of Duty at both minimum and extreme settings. What can I say AMD
knows what they're good at and they're sticking with it. Now if you look at the overall numbers
the 4070 Ti Super led the super sample test with a 1.5% lead over the 7900 XT and a 3% lead over
the 4070 Ti non super. Realistically though, it was almost dead even. AMD stole the win in Forza, COD
and Fortnite. Once again while the Super ran away with Cyberpunk, Shadow the Tomb Raider, and Tiny
Tina's Wonderland. And now we move on to the Clash of the Titans. It's time for some high level high jinx
or so we thought. In pure rasterization benchmarks the 7900 XTX came out swinging, but landed within
1.93% of the performance of the 4080 Super, but the 4080 Super wasn't all that much more super than
the non super 4080 on the overall average. Sure it had gains in Cyberpunk 2077, Tiny Tina's
Wonderland and Shadow the Tomb Raider, but the 4080 had the 7900 XTX shine in Call of Duty and Forza
completely upsetting the lead of the 4080 Super. When we look at super sampling the story is all
too familiar at this point as well. The 4080 Super takes a significant lead in Cyberpunk, Tiny Tina
and Tomb Raider, but for crying out loud Forza, COD, and Fortnite. Why are these always a problem
and why is it always these three. And it wasn't just that they handed AMD the win here the 4080 hopped on
the victory train and caught as well. As things stand at the end of our super sampling benchmarks
the 7900 XT and the 4080 Super landed in deadlock, while the OG 4080 was actually chuckling from
the side lines enjoying a 1.6% lead over both of them. That's right the OG 4080, but it's 16% more
expensive. I don't know if that's worth 1.6% lead. Okay so we just threw a ton of percentages at
you and if you've been tracking along with them the picture isn't so cut and dry as to which GPU
is a stand out winner in every case and hopefully you saw the patterns too. At just about every
level the competition is almost evenly split. Even though we average the overall performance
data competitive games, like Call of Duty, Forza, and Fortnite as much as we joke about them they
all lean towards AMD, which makes sense when you consider that up until the announcement of the MSI
claw, AMD has been powering just about every modern gaming console in handheld. Think about these three
games for a minute. Call of Duty and Forza are both huge on Xbox and Fortnite is a juggernaut on both
Xbox and Playstation. BNoth consoles run on custom AMD APUs and when you have strong player bases
in the console space developers are going to optimize their titles for the hardware that makes
the most sense, which in this case most games are developed on AMD. Does that rain on the parade of
the new Super GPUs? Where does that leave us? Is there even a clear winner? I think the answer to
that last question is yes. There is a winner, but it's not who you think it is. The winner is you.
That's right, You the consumer, but Robey these are all still pricey GPUs. How am I the winner? Did you
just secretly give one of these GPUs to me? No not so fast Buckaroo, but stay tuned we're going to be
seeing a lot of these GPUs and building with them on live streams and so you know what you have
many a chances to win one. So that's not a no. It's just not a in this video. When we look at the
GPU landscape the real winner here is the consumer, because the over architected improvements over the
non super the prices are the same launch price as their non super counterparts or in this case
for the 4080 super it's actually dropped by 16%. Meanwhile the RX 7800 XT is positioned somewhere
from $20 to $100 lower than the 4070 Super founder edition price and at the time of this video AMD
dropped the price of the 7900 XT from its origin $899 launch price to $849. And we're seeing
partner cards with prices at $749 and below. Everybody knows where they need to vote and that's
with your wallet. While we haven't seen a price price reduction for the 7900 XTX at this point and
may I say yet, the performance of the 4080 Super let AMD know that it could plant its flag at $999 and
still go toe-to-toe with the 7900 XTX. They each have their strengths and weaknesses, which we'll
get to, but in most cases there really isn't a bad option here. So what do we do with all this Robey?
We still have to answer the question of which GPU is right for you and here is where we land. If
you're looking to play highly cinematic single player games, like cyberpunk 2077, Alan Wick 2, or
even Starfield for that matter. Games that want all the visual bells and whistles, especially games
that are implementing ray tracing and I, I know, I know as annoying as it sounds to some folks, just
like AI enabled enhancements, it's here to stay and it's really hard to beat the edge that Nvidia
has here. The things Nvidia is doing with dlss, ray reconstruction, and frame generation with the 40
series they're all pretty amazing and that makes the Super GPU that much more appealing at launch
for this particular set of games. With what we're seeing though the picture quality and gameplay
experiences are top-notch with these extras even if it's going to cost you more in some cases. And I
know that some of you cringed before, but I'm going to say it again. Sorry AI driven enhancements for
games are here to stay and right now Nvidia has the upper hand here as well. That statement may age
like fine milk, but I have to say it. I may not have a window into the future, but as of right now I
know that games are being developed with this technology in mind. And why wouldn't developers
use tools like this if it helps their games run better on more platforms. It's kind of a win-win
here. Just be aware though if your main games are games like Call of Duty or Fortnite, Nvidia Super
GPUs do a good job with performance, but they do trail behind. However, if you don't care as much
about any of that and you're just looking for pure rasterization power, that nasty rasty. What AMD
is doing with their RX 7000 series GPUs is pretty awesome, especially if you like COD. If you're
looking at playing games that rely on raw power, things like competitive Shooters and racing titles
where adding all the extras just creates latency or just creates things that you don't need then
the RX 7800 XT, the 7900 XT, and the 7900 XTX really excel here. And sometimes at a cheaper price. Now
I know we talked about Nvidia's edge and features, but if you're looking to dip your toe into those
more cinematic experience the Radeon 7000 series is no slouch in this department either. They just
bring a more mild flavor of that sweet baby ray tracing to the table. Who knows, maybe AMD will
pull a rabbit out of the hat as they refine and Implement FSR 3 and who knows what's happening in
the future. Now at the new prices of the 7800 XT and the 7900 XT these GPUs are priced to go
head-to-head within their categories. And when we look at the price and performance of the 7900 XTX
versus the 4080 Super it's on par at the moment and before you bring up drivers, because this is the
thing that comes up all the time when it comes to AMD. They are getting better and if your questions
just talk to our community over at discord.gg/Robeytech. We have a lot of mainline all AMD folks who swear by
what team red has been doing. Keep in mind too that all of this information that we looked at doesn't
account for things like frame generation or fluid motion frames or even the features for Content
creators or productivity. Those will have to be for a discussion for another day. This is just
about gaming and what you can do with it. Now with all of this considered here are a few things
to think about. Thing number one. Evaluate what type of games you gravitate towards and choose
the GPU that makes sense for you. Thing number two. When it comes to extra features consider
what's available today and what's actually being promised for tomorrow and are the current
features implemented well and are they being used to enhance the games you want to play. Decide
if those extra bells and whistles are anything that you could actually use and if they're worth
waiting for or having in the future. Thing number three. Be okay with your choice. It's your money
not other people's money. Don't use other people to validate your purchase decisions and don't
berate others who make different choices. Your gaming habits are unique and you need to buy a
card that's right for you not them and vice versa. Getting more specific about GPUs we've looked at
a lot today, but this is our key takeaway. The too long didn't watch. For solid 1440p performance the
4070 Super and RX 7800 XT are going to be great picks. Both GPUs average 100 frames per second in
most of our tests. These mid-tier GPUs are both stellar options, but the 4070 super is probably
the most impressive of the super stack at this point. If you're looking for a GPU to drive 1440p
performance at the top end the 4070 Ti Super and RX 7900 XT both have standout performance here,
even with ray tracing crank, both GPUs averaged about 70 frames per second in Cyberpunk with the
help of their native super sampling. Now if you're looking for no compromise performance at 1440p or
you want to push into 4K the 4080 Super and the RX 7900 XT are both redonkulous powerful GPUs that
each do what they do well. But you should really take a careful look at what games you need your
GPU to excel at before making a big purchase like this. At the end of the day GPU shopping comes down to taking an honest inventory of what you need your GPU to do. Which features could enhance
your experience and then deciding what you're reasonably willing to pay in order to meet those
expectations. While we can't make that decision for you we do hope that we gave you information
today that'll be helpful in helping you search for the right GPU for you. Those are just a few of
our thoughts on the current GPU landscape and how the new 40 series GPUs fit into it. But we want
to hear from you down in the comments. Are you looking for a new GPU? If so did one of these GPUs
stand out as your next upgrade? We would love to know all of that down in the comments below. Now
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