The Tower of Babel (with Bodie Hodge)

forget from the beginning if you're joining us tonight we have a very special guest with us we have Bodie Hodge all the way via zoom from the Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky and Bodie is going to be talking about the Tower of Babel tonight so it's going to be something really enjoyable to look forward to because often when we speak on creation we don't often look at the Tower of Babel we dude normally the days of creation before the floods even go into the New Testament but we often skip over variable and such an important event so it's great to have Bodhi Hodge with us so Bodie glad you could be with us tonight yeah it's great to be on the show great great to be here with you before you start your presentation and I'll get out of the way why don't you just begin by telling folks a bit about yourself what you get up to your ancestors in Genesis and then kick off with your presentation well sounds good you know here at the Ministry of Answers in Genesis you know we have the Ark Encounter we have the Creation Museum neither one are open right now people keep asking that you know we'll let everybody know when we're allowed to reopen but we're looking forward to it my name's Brody Hodge I've been at the Ministry of Answers in Genesis about 17 going on 18 years now so then around here for a while I got the opportunity to see the Creation Museum be built I've had the chance to see the Ark Encounter be built and that was really exciting now my background is that I actually have a bachelor's and a master's degree in mechanical engineering I used to teach at Southern Illinois University at Carbondale Illinois pretty good sized University there used to teach all levels of undergraduate engineering as a visiting instructor so I enjoyed that I also had a chance to work at caterpillar at their proving grounds think large construction equipment bulldozers excavators articulated trucks things like that so I had a great time working with that and before I went into ministry and you know when the Lord College in a ministry you're kind of there forever so here I am but you know I love history that's been one of my passions I love theology I love the Bible and you know I really gravitated toward doing a lot of apologetics particularly creation apologetics and so when it comes to some like creation the fall the flood and the tower Bible those are areas that I I thoroughly enjoy researching and if you guys are anything like I was I was taught basically the secular view through all my schooling you know whether I was a kid in grade school or high school or even college I mean I was drilled with the secular view that we evolved and we evolved particularly out of Africa and I was so engrained with that particular view that it was difficult for me to actually step back and go well what really happened because I'd heard that so much that we evolved out of Africa little did I realize how much literature and histories from cultures all around the world actually go back to a Babel event go right back to Noah by and large a lot of that history is just ignored it's just sat on a shelf somewhere and people ignore it for the purpose of adhering to an evolutionary worldview now what you understand that's a very new idea this idea that we evolved out of Africa really goes back to Charles Darwin so many of you might be familiar with the secular viewpoint just to give you a taste of it here the timeline and the secular story goes all the back to an alleged big bang essentially so they say there was no time no space nothing at all really existed and of course people debate about what that initial substance was was that some sort of singularity did it pop into existence there's a lot of a lot of question marks surrounding this but what they really say is somewhere in the neighborhood of about 13 to 15 billion years ago this nearly infinitely dense and nearly infinitely hot being popped into existence and rapidly exploded or expanded they call that the Big Bang as the story goes you get the Sun Moon and stars and and so forth over millions and billions of years finally we get the earth and it cools off they say it was originally molten we get the first seas somewhere in the neighborhood of about 3.8 billion years ago then through random processes chemicals come together and form the first life and it evolves further and further to where you finally end up with things like monkey-like creature that evolves into an ape-like creature that evolves into some sort of human-like creature and here we have it that's what most secular textbooks teach that's what most Natural History Museum's teach this is what we see and right we see in pop culture we see it in movies like Jurassic Park we see it a little kid shows like Dinosaur Train and so forth I mean it us all over the place so believe it or not in today's culture people are just inundated with this idea that people evolved and that the universe evolved and that there's been all this biological change from some sort of single-celled organism all the way up to man leading up to today but part of that that little story there and you're like I said you know we deal with creation here six-day creation the fall the flood and how those affect the world but when it comes to the issue of the tower Bible it actually relates to this subject very well Charles Darwin was teaching in his book The Descent a man it was actually originally published in 1871 he said it is therefore probable that Africa was formerly inhabited by extinct age closely allied to the gorilla and chimpanzee and as these two species are now man's nearest allies it is somewhat more probable that our early progeny lived on the African continent than elsewhere this is called the Out of Africa model this is what's taught left-right and sooner in our world that we evolved out of Africa in fact when people want to find missing links where do they go love to go look primarily in Africa that's where they're looking at because they find apes there and so they assume humans evolved from those particular types of aids now let you understand how significant this statement was when when Darwin made this statement back in the late 1800s this challenged everything especially throughout the Western world because the Bible was the dominant view of what happened in the history and let's face it there is no greater authority than God in His Word so when God says that mankind after the flood settled in Babel I'm gonna try to say Babel by the way just so you guys know that I'm over here in the state and in the state we a lot of times they babble our dictionary allows them to say it either way but I want to try to say Babel just cuz I know a lot of people are watching this from over in the UK and I know we do have people in mainland Europe and people all around the world watching this so welcome hope you guys are having a great time but this model this out of Africa model was totally different from what the Bible teaches God teaches that everyone came together at Babel and the Lord had to scatter them and confuse their languages and that explains then as people go from Babel to various parts of the world and of course that solves a really big issue - in today's culture on the issue of racism and I'm not going to talk a whole lot about that we have a number of talks on that subject you can hop on the website Answers in Genesis org type in races or racism and you should find hosts of articles that deal with that but you know when it comes to this particular issue yes there's one race just hit this in short form we know that we all go back to Adam and Eve we're all related this is a family gathering here on the Internet we're all separated by at least six feet I guess but here we are but yeah we're all one family all go back to Adam and Eve and we know that because God's Word says that and there is no greater authority than God and by extension his words in Hebrews 6:13 it says from when God made a promise to Abraham because he could swear by no one greater he swore by himself and the Word of God comes with the authority of God himself so it shows you how powerful that is so when God says we go back to Adam and Eve Adam was the first man Eve was the mother of all the living then yes there is one race no of course we do have people that ask that question well why do people look so different well that's because for genetics we have variations in that and that's a good thing you know otherwise a Simon there and I would look exactly the same but the good thing is we don't look exactly the same he probably doesn't want my baldness that's going on but you know when we look at this yes we have variation Adam and Eve they have other sons and daughters in Genesis five four so originally brothers and sisters had to marry that answer is that famous question where it can get his wife it would have been a sister it's possible it was a nice good either way brothers and sisters originally had to marry and that was okay it wasn't till the time of Moses that God said no more clothes in her marriage we have the bottleneck in the flood we're knowing his family survived eight people all total and then we see those descendants that start intermarrying right there and they end up at the tower Bible and as the Lord scattered them different family groups then split apart and went to different parts of the world which split apart the gene pool I like to say it this way people went to Africa they took jeans for darker skin people who went to Europe and jeans for lighter skin people went to the Orient took jeans for an almond-shaped course those exception to all that but by-and-large that's why we see a variation in different people groups but it's a beautiful thing what we need to remember especially as Christians is that we all go back to Noah we all go back to Adam which means we're all sinners were all related and we're all in need of Jesus Christ no matter what we look like now another thing that's really fascinating and interesting is at the tower Babel if you like that we'll go back and actually look at the count in Genesis chapter 10 it gives what we call the table of Nations and there's different cultures around the world that have certain tables and Nations and some of these actually match up quite well with what the Bible teaches the heritage of Noah you had his three sons Japheth Shem and ham I tried to color code this you can kind of follow as you go down to the different sons grandsons great grandsons there in yellow you have the grandsons of Noah he had sixteen grandsons at least listed here now in Genesis chapter 11 we learned that Shem also had other sons and daughters after the events that occurred at the Tower Bible yes of course these guys continued to have children and that's not a problem but if you look down through here all the names on the board right now are some of our direct ancestors which is fascinating when you think about it if you guys are anything like I was you probably hated being in Sunday school or some sort of a youth group when somebody said hey can you read Genesis chapter 10 you're like what I have to pronounce all those names you got to be kidding me what are you doing to me but actually I used to be like that and now I look at these names and I'm fascinated by them once I've done some research on him because I look at those different names I say wow this whole people group came out of this person or this people group and this people combined and made this people group that we find still today in fact I look at some of these names because I actually have an ancestry that that goes back to all sorts of people I've got German English Irish I've got some some Portuguese I've got some French Norman in there I actually go back to William the Conqueror believe it or not I can trace that I go back to some people in Sweden I go back to some Italian royalty I got all sorts of stuff and there I even have a touch a Native American and on my father's side so I look at these names and I go wow that's who that one came through that's who this one came through that's and it actually brings us to life I get really excited about some of this and so we're gonna dive into this so if you guys are wondering I actually wrote an article that's on the Answers in Genesis website that says the title of it is how many human generations are there from Adam until today and I'm using my particular lineage and of course my lineage joins up with the Queen's lineage don't worry I'm actually not in line for the throne anywhere even remotely close to it so don't worry about that but the Queen is my 42nd cousin if you use the common usage method which is the way I did it but I actually list them all in there Adam would have been my 84th great-grandfather by this lineage Noah's my 74th great-grandfather and Jesus fascinatingly would be my hundred and thirty ninth cousin by this method so that's a great way to witness hey let me tell you about my hundred and thirty ninth cousin but you know I would suggest that a lot of people can can do some of this a lot of royal genealogies go right back to Noah and it is quite fascinating and even Queen Elizabeth her particular lineage also goes back to Noah which is it's a fascinating subject of research but we're not taught a lot of this stuff nowadays in our school systems instead we're taught that we evolved out of Africa from a lower creature and a lot of the history the actual accounts from historians has been left on the wayside so I want to start here with Genesis 11 verse 4 and they said to one another come let us build ourselves a city in a tower whose top is in the heavens let us make a name for ourselves lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth now this is one of the reasons that they said hey let's do this they didn't want to be scattered they they knew God's command in Genesis chapter 9 that they were supposed to be fruitful multiply until the earth they were trying to defy God's command here they want to make a name for themselves if you remember before the flood people were trying to make a name for themselves too so you can see a deviation from trying to follow God to trying to follow man and so they wanted to build a city and they want to build a tower whose top is in the heavens now how high was it probably nowhere near our skyscrapers of today but it was definitely higher than everything else it reached above everything else I've had people say well where was the tower about well the possible location of it is here in what we call Iraq today in the Bible one of the early cities that came out that's mentioned there in Genesis chapter 10 is a city called eric ER e CH i think it's how a lot of our translations have it iraq is actually a variation of that particular name that's where the name comes from it's a very ancient name but at our bible would have been between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers that is where the plain of Shannara is it means they'll land between two rivers and from there of course people then spread all over the earth after the the splitting at the Tower of Babel so people go from basically where the Tower of Babel was now they probably settled closely initially and then some of their descendants continued to move in some cases because the larger life spans after the flood some of these guys probably initially settled and moved on and continued to move on a big picture on the timing though it's obviously after the flood but it is before the call of Abraham just to give you a taste Abraham was not at the tower Babel different nations arose as a result of will happen at the tower Babel Abraham was called well after that just to show what God could do with Abraham so more specifically if you look at the animals of the world this is by Archbishop James Ussher and he's probably one of the more complete chronologist now I've seen a lot of numbers I got Cal Mets numbers I got Frank Lawson's numbers Jones I got those different ones I even took the opportunity to add up from creation up to the captivity and I did it without looking at anyone else I just wanted to see what I can get in the Bible and I was four years off from Usher and when I got to the captivity and I want to figure out why and come to find out there were places where a father and a son Co reigned and usher caught those and I didn't catch him and so I sure was probably a bit more accurate than I was but if you look at his date he has 22 42 BC for his date which is somewhere in the neighborhood of right at about 6-year 106 years after the flood and the reason he has the date Peleg was born a hundred and one years after the flood and it was in the days of Peleg that this actually occurred now old historian named Anitha lived over 2,000 years ago now he he actually stated that the events that occurred the tower battle happened five years after the birth of Peleg so that's where usher gets the date 106 years he adds five more years on to that but I've seen various chronologist put it anywhere from 101 years to 130 years and you know just sometimes you know we even see a further variation but that most of them are right there in that particular category because the Bible doesn't tell us the exact date for the tower Babel so somewhere in that range obviously within palings lifetime an interesting piece of archaeology that we have here is called the tower Babel steel or Steel II I've heard it pronounced both ways it's not made out of steel it's actually a rock it's an engraved rock and you can see an image there Nebuchadnezzar and if you look kind of there on the as you're looking at the screen kind of on the left side you can see the step pyramid like structure well that is the Tower of Babel and there's an inscription on this talking about how Nebuchadnezzar was there with this old dilapidated tower and you know if you think of his day the Babylonian Empire was much later than than the events at the Tower of Babel so this tower would have still been in existence in his time and it was in pretty rough shape he actually had this idea to have it repaired it had it refinished but he never did do it in fact the Persians wanted to do the same sort of thing when they were in charge and so did Alexander the Great when he came in and conquered the Persians now with Alexander the Great he actually did give the order to have it torn down to have it rebuilt and apparently they took the facade off the outside and then they tore it down but then Alexander the Great died a very early death so that kind of destroyed the project so there it was left all cord out nothing but a dugout foundation and that's what we find today dr. Clifford Wilson he was a renowned archaeologist originally from the States but ended up being the head of archaeology down in Australia he was quite a popular guy he actually wrote a little bit of stuff with us at Answers in Genesis before he died a few years ago he's published in our answers book volume 1 wrote an excellent chapter actually on the subject of biblical archaeology and the answers book vol 1 again but he's argued that this particular area you can see it on Google Maps - if you were to look down on it this large pool in modern Babylon that where the ruins are he thinks was where the original tower Babel actually sat if you look at other ancient historians Herodotus Herodotus was an ancient historian Greek historian particularly living about the 5th century BC he says he's talking about the tower it was still in existence in his time this was actually before Alexander the Great had it torn down he said it was still in existence in his time has a solid central tower one stadium square with a second erected on top of it and then a third and so on up to 8 all eight towers can be climbed by a spiral running around the outside about halfway up their seats for those who make the ascent to rest on which makes me wonder about Herodotus really appreciated those stairs for those seats to sit on as he's going up all this but just to give you an idea what this may have looked like here's a reconstruction of this particular tower it's called the Ottoman Anki and you're I know you guys are impressed with the fact that I could actually pronounce that name at menarche that here's this tower it's a step tower and he has eight towers all total now on the very top you know on that tower Babel steel it was actually kind of undiscerning to some of the other accounts that I've seen what what was on top they would build different things but a lot of times it was destroyed by fire and that makes sense this thing's taller than everything in the area it was a big lightning rod whatever they built on top of it well there are little temples or little sacrifice spots whatever it might be they're gonna get struck by lightning quite often so that makes sense but it probably did look something like this if you do flip the Google Maps and want to look down on it here's a basically a satellite image looking down on this at menarche tower that's in the ruins of Babylon Alexander the Great was the one who wanted to have it torn down they dug out that foundation there and this is really what you're left with that's why I pulled up with water just from being in there now it's interesting Arata said it was it was one stadia square in the stadia is about 600 feet now if you actually do a measurement you have 300 feet by 3 energy so make sure wonder how are they measuring this where they were they measuring you know 300 plus the 300 as that's the square makes you wonder because it would fit that dimensions if you did count it that way so I always thought that was kind of interesting in the Bible the word for tower though is the Hebrew word big doll it means a tower obviously but what's interesting is that same word also figuratively means a pyramidal bed of flour so you can see the pyramidal connotation even in that word Tower which I thought was quite fascinating and as people go to various parts of the world they leave the tower Bible guess what they took their building projects with them and we find these all over the world pyramids are specialized form of ziggurat basically they're just not stepped and we find pyramids in China we find them in Egypt even over here in the Americas we find some of these step pyramids that the Mayans had bill which is really fascinating in North America up here we have the Native Americans a certain group of them were the mound builders they would build structures look like this but it's basically made out of dirt and you find some of this also in northern Europe some of the big mounds up there as well really neat stuff now let's go back here for a moment to this table of Nations and I don't know what's going on here I click and nothing happens so I see the big circle of death but we'll see if this pops up sometimes it just takes a moment that's technology for you the devil's now in the details he's in the technology in case you guys are wondering but hopefully this will get popped up here I wanted to come back to this table of Nations which I brought up before and I actually skipped right over my slide you'll see if I can go back to it now yeah here it is table of Nations when we look at these different peoples I always liked where did they go to what nation came out of which one and I wrote a book called the tower Babel where you know I go through all these different names and I'm like okay well what people groups came out of them and it really is a fascinating study I did this in a previous talk on the tower battle this is a this talk here from this one I kind of shift and I do it a little bit different now because people don't come up to me and they they they don't say hey Bodie what are the descendants of Gomer go to or Bodie hey where did the descendants of Tyrus go to they don't ask question they usually come up to me and say hey where did the Irish come from or where did the English come from where the Chinese come from of the Germans and so I actually said you know what let me flip this around and do it the other way so that's kind of what I've done in here and I'm not gonna hit every single people group out there because I can't do that in the short time but I am gonna hit the few highlights in here just to give people a taste of some of the people groups so I'm gonna start off with the Scots and the Irish where did they come from obviously you got Scotland up here you got Ireland over here of course Northern Ireland's part of the UK you know but when it comes to people groups they're all you know they're together you get the Irish so I've had people say well where did they come from well obviously you know if you just think of routes you've got the land round you got the water route obviously the water route you know you go by by boat but what about a land route could people have actually gone all the way to Scotland and all the way to Ireland on a water route yeah or on a land route yeah it's possible and here's what I want to do I want us to think biblically okay we have the flood of Noah's day the flood of Noah's day rearranges and shifts continents around and so forth so we probably still have residual water on continents or inside continents that are leaking out at the same time we we trigger an ice age which takes a lot of water out of the oceans and puts it on land and so you have these massive glaciers in various areas and the creation of the evolutionist we actually agree on something for once we agree that there was an ice age and the secular side they have a whole bunch of ice ages going back in the past we have one major when triggered by the flood but the point is you would take somewhere in the neighborhood of about 300 and 350 feet of water out of the ocean now I don't know you know you'd have to divide that to put that into metric I've got it kind of we've got that number in my English side head over here using those fraction base measurements and so the decimal sorry guys but here's a map of what that would look like if you take about that much water out of the ocean and put it on land you can see if you look up there where the where the British Isles are we see where we're Island is that is basically covered with land that's a huge land mass there in fact the North Sea is not that deep it's called the old German sea or the Germanic see that particular area would have largely been filled in and you basically just had a river that ran down from Scandinavia going all the way out to the ocean through there so if you look at that yeah people could have easily walked to Ireland all the way to Scotland during the peak of an Ice Age you can see people could have walked all the way to North and South America all the way out to Japan potentially as far as Australia now there are still certain places you couldn't get to you definitely have to take boats you know I'm gonna walk to Hawaii or Madagascar for example but you got to think known as Suns for master shipbuilder so they could easily have transverse a lot of these oceans a lot of their descendants probably learned their shipbuilding techniques and were able to go all over the place but what's interesting is that little area up there around the United Kingdom and Ireland some of that land is known as Dodger land I've heard some people call it dog or land and it's not that deep sometimes we have trawlers that pick up archaeological artifacts from when people used to live in there so if you think drop 350 feet that's all gonna be exposed to land and what's interesting is since the time of the Ice Age you know a lot of things have melted off from that you know I've been to Scandinavia and I've seen areas up there we just saw glaciers just slide all across the stuff if you think about this they're still gonna be times where the ocean level is gonna rise and lower rise and lower kind of going back and forth and I found an old map and I've seen a lot of different old maps that do things like this this is a map from 1730 it was actually done by someone I believe they were in Amsterdam is where they were at and they did this map and if you look very careful out there where the the North Sea is you see some of those banks you can even see Dodgers Bank on there and what it is that's still underwater but it's so shallow that ships can get stuck in it and so they actually mapped it out on there so that the ships would go around it and if you look carefully if you look at Northumberland there's quite a few islands right off of the coast there now we still have you know a handful of islands that are out there holy Island if I remember right is one of them but there's quite a few there even as you go up towards Scotland's quite a few islands listed on this map that we don't see today if you grab Oxford's later SMAP or hop on google maps you can zoom up there and you're not gonna find those so this gives you a taste of how when the ocean levels down a little bit yeah you're gonna run into some of these potential banks you're gonna have some of these different islands that are exposed and so this would have been during a medieval times you know where it kind of peeked back out and then you have the medieval warming period and so forth so you see that shift in the ocean level which is quite fascinating stuff and you know over and over in England some of these places in Europe you guys might have access to some ancient maps that but even I haven't been able to get my hands on so be really neat study for someone well if you look more specifically at Ireland and you look more specifically at Scotland Geoffrey Keating actually did the general history of Ireland he did this back in the 1700s published in London and here's what he says the posterity of japheth inhabited most of the northern countries of Asia and all Europe Magog one of the sons of japheth was what was the great ancestor to the Scythian z-- and the several families that invaded the kingdom of ireland after the flood before the Malaysians made a conquest of the island and this will more fully appear in the body of this history and if you continue through that book I got a copy of it's just fascinating it actually outlines some of these these guys who first made it to Ireland and he's saying that they are the sons of japheth specifically the sons of Magog that's who the Sith ian's came out of so I mean we've got this sort of thing so here's another one of them this one came from James Anderson and his book royal genealogies done in the 1730's he did this by order of one of the princes and Great Britain by the way put together all these royal genealogies from around the world this is back when Britain essentially conquered a huge portion of the whole world so they had access to a lot of this information and he has it also through Magog and then down through both and so forth so you get all the way down here so there's there's at least two images right there giving the ancient lineage of the Irish going back through may God there's really good the Scots they also went through Magog according to some of the ancient history that's been tabulated here this was Robert Bruce and tires book and this was published in 2005 but he's looking a lot of ancient manuscripts and a lot of that information of course if you look at some of the history between the Irish and the Scots it's intertwined you see some intermixing and so forth and even some reversing it's a certain way in possession so where did the Spanish come from so let's kind of shift down there just a little bit because there's actually a connection between some of the Irish and some of the Spanish as well but at the same time Spain is a melting pot it really was particularly in ancient times if you think of where their position is the Mediterranean Sea is people go all the way across it it kind of becomes a melting pot specifically so yeah you have people coming from the sea people coming from land once again if you're looking james anderson know when you know with a lot of the information he put together he has spain going back through Japheth and particularly tubal this was again one of Noah's grandsons tubal in fact the land of Spain had been known as the land of tubal one of tubal's various names was I beers ended up naming one of his sons i beerus but think about this we still call that peninsula the iberian peninsula even today and what's interesting is tubal yeah he settled in Spain for a particular amount of time some some of his descendants ended up going up between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea if you look there Caucasian Iberia the way the history goes to Bowl lived in Spain for a long time if any migrated over there and actually lived in between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea for quite some time as some of his descendants continue to move north going up into the Russian area that we now call tubal or two bowls I even the name Siberia if you drop the ash you still see a reflection of the name I beers in there the Greeks called him I beers by the way but the way his history goes he ended up moving back to Spain and then he moved down into what we call Morocco and in Morocco he ended up dying down there and that's where he was buried somewhere down in that particular area so we have a big piece of history in there but I want to back up one if you look at some of the very names of tubal and this is very common for a lot of the sons grandsons and great-grandsons of Noah because of the tower Babel all these different languages come out and believe it or not different people have various names we see a lot of names of Noah in different cultures different names of Noah's wife and so forth but some of the variant names a tubal was jubail Pluto which is elevated to a godlike status and some of the mythological cultures one of his names was Atlas Mauritania sand so you can see where the name Mauritania even comes from and the Moors and some of those those particular names that you also see Atlas and there's variations of that because some of the descendants of tubal here ended up going back to Italy and settling in that particular area and they became known as the italics and that's where we get the name Italy even today that's a variation of the name atlas we still have the Atlas Mountains in in Morocco and some of those areas there as well but you'll see a reflection of some of these names sometimes you don't always know they notice the name Gibraltar down there two Bulls grandson we still have Gibraltar which is owned by Great Britain but said British people that are in there right now but you still see reflection of those names that have been there for quite some time now you might think okay well we got Spain figured out it's nice and easy but like I said earlier it was a melting pot and there's a lot of other groups and ended up making it into Spain as well some of the descendants of shims son Aaron that's where we get the name the Arameans or the Syrians the old language of aramaic of course aramaic that we know of today is actually west called II after the Babylonians came in and conquered Arum in that area the air make that we know of there is actually a Hebrew type of language but at any rate we also have some of the descendants of Magog and baath that ended up there the the my lesions going back to Milo here he was the third-generation king in Spain I ended up migrating in there so we have so much with regards to Spain here's another one this is also outlined in James Anderson's royal genealogies going back to Jamin Jabin just so you know is the Hebrew name for Greece so you have some of the Grecians that made it that far one of the areas in the Iberian Peninsula is Tarshish and there was the city of Tarsus Jonah tried to flee to that so he's probably trying to get all the way across the Mediterranean Sea to get over there in that particular area was taken over by the Phoenicians a little bit later so you can see there's all sorts of people groups that are making their way into Spain and of course we have a Gaulish people that made it onto the peninsula as well we call that Portugal of course not all the people there Gaulish and and Portugal by the way but that's all another discussion so just in short these are some of the groups that I've been able to trace into Spain you got some of the descendants of tubal some from Aram's some from Magog some of the Libyans and Egyptians which came out of no his grandson midstream that's how that's pronounced made it there some of the Greeks from jayven the Phoenicians from Canaan and of course we've had a whole groups of people come in there really since those early ages as well oh boy that'll make your brain explode seeing all these different names I hope that doesn't scare everybody but hopefully we're gonna have a little fun with that well I don't need right where did the Germans English and Scandinavians come from and it's like well what are the odds all those groups have been put together because they all came out of the same answer our descendant from Noah and if you look Noah's son Japheth that was his oldest and his oldest was Gomer and then gomers oldest was actually ashkenaz so it's interesting this is kind of the post-flood oldest lineage going here ashkenaz is an ancient name for Germany we even see some variations of that name a lot of the Jews that ended up in Germany were known as the Ashkenazi are the the Jews Olinda lived in the land of ashkenaz but Germany was very powerful Kingdom for a long time they were actually a United Kingdom for a long time all the way down to wolf I'm sick injure after that it broke into three parts and then it broke into massive numbers of petty kingdoms and we still see some of that reflection even today but just to give you a taste ashkenaz originally settled on the north west side of the Black Sea the Black Sea used to be known as the Ashkan Sea so you can still see a reflection of that name after living there for quite some time some of his descendants migrated back down to Asia Minor probably as they go along host of the Black Sea but at the same time he moved up to central part of Europe with 20 of his sons one of his sons names was Don es and that's where the Danes came from Sarmatian where the summations came from and so forth so you know if you actually trace those particular lineages we can trace the angles and the Saxons and a lot of these different groups came out of it in fact the name Saxon itself is actually a variation of the name ashkenaz Saxon in fact is the name Scandinavia ah Scandinavia you can see reflection of the name Ashkenazi those are just variations within that particular name but we see a number of names you know that are you know kind of associated with Ashkenaz scon D or the Ashkan see like I mentioned but some of the different sons that he had 20 of those sons you know think of Gaeta which is where the you take came from Gotha where the German Goths came from and Albania s-- or Albinus which is where the Albanians came from so you still see a reflection of that name like I said earlier some of these guys they came out with different names that were given to them by different people groups as they left the tower Babel some of the variant names of ashkenaz was to East go for to Easton and also mercury and you can see how he was elevated to be you know one of these in Greek and one of these Roman gods even because those were the people that were known some of those names later were worshipped as peoples ancestors which is not the right thing to do but that's what sadly the sinful heart of man's own ends up doing and I think there's a good reason for some of this I'm gonna talk about that here in just a moment but if you look at some of these name to east cones or do each Minh say the Jews making ashkenaz the father of the Germans we actually see that in some of the old commentaries as well but you can even see that particular name is where the Dutch came from or even Deutschland the fatherland that sort of thing coming from but what about ancestor worship why is it that people would race up some of these names tubule or Ashkenaz some of these guys and start to worship their ancestors I want you to think about the for a moment because we see ancestor worship in various parts all around the world we saw with the Greeks the Egyptians a lot of Germanic myths we saw with Shinto of Japan why did people worship their ancestors we even see it with baile worship baile was actually one of the variant names bei loose which was more of a title given to Nimrod and people would actually worship Him this is ancestor worship now why would they do that I want you to think about that age declines after the flood before the flood quite a few people were living you know upwards of nine hundred years you think of Adam he lived 930 if you if you think of Jared he live 962 Methuselah 969 Noah lived 950 years of course you have Enoch who was translated but there was one of them there though before the flood who Leigh met who died at 777 he was basically 200 years younger than his father so you there might be something going on and their Shem was actually born before the flood but he died at the age of 600 so you know there might be some sort of age decline some sort of genetic issue that was going on in there all the descendants of Noah and then are succumbed to this sort of thing and so you starting to see this decline of Ages but if you just look at this overlap of Ages post flood if you consider this Noah actually outlived his great-great-great grandson Peleg think about that for a moment he outlived him Shem outlived the majority of his ancestors going all the way down almost to Abraham Abraham was one of the first ones to actually outlive him if you think about this this is just shocking but what does that do in a culture people start looking at their ancestors in a different way if you say oh wow there's my great-great-great great-grandfather and he looks good as a fiddle and you're on your deathbed do you start looking at them different yeah you do and sadly what happens is people start elevating their ancestors then to be gods or immortals now of course that's a that's a false idea they are not gods by any means in fact when you look back at a lot of this ancient history they viewed these gods as people who still died they just outlived everyone else well actually makes sense with what was happening after the flood after the time of Abraham by the time you get to Moses if you look at parallel historical accounts that was essentially the time they said that the Immortals or the gods had died out there weren't any more living at that particular time so I mean that's gonna happen think about this Shem outlived his great-great great-great-great-great grandson Terah which was Abraham's father it's just fascinating when you look at that so yeah we see these different people who did ancestor worship it is wrong it is false but we can kind of understand why this was the case when you see those age declines so a little bit more about that decrease in age just so you know I would de-emphasize that it was diet or that it was increased oxygen or environmental changes those may have played a small role you know because after the flood knowing his family were first permitted to eat meat Genesis 9:3 but you know what there's been people who were vegetarian their whole life they don't live 900 years old some people thought well maybe the oxygen content change from the atmosphere as a result of the flood it probably did change a little bit but at the same time increased oxygen oxygen can help in certain instances but a lot of time it's detrimental that's why we take antioxidants to get rid of that free extra oxygen environmental changes small factors if anything there may be anatomical issues but the biggest factor is probably that there are genetic bottlenecks at the flood and at the tower Babel that split everything apart and really caused that could go all the way back to sham could go all the way back to Noah and particularly his father Lamech I've always found it fascinating do you remember that instance where Noah after the flood he lay naked in his tent as resolved to getting himself really drunk and of course then hand comes in and announces it to the world like he put it on the internet you know and you know then Japheth and Shem had to go in backwards and cover him you know why was it Japheth and shims responsibility to go in and cover where was Noah's wife I've always wondered you know didn't know his wife died early did she have a genetic disposition to reduce age as well and so that's then coupled in subsequent generations it's possible we would definitely leave that option open because if you look after shim we have three generations where people were living somewhere in the neighborhood of an average about four hundred forty five years boom all of a sudden we have the Tower of Babel immediately after that it jumps down to somewhere in the neighborhood of about two hundred thirty six years on average and then it just continues to reduce to what what we have today so I do have one thing that's kind of interesting to think about on this we know that Shem lived six hundred years old but how old did Japheth and ham live did their lines go a little bit slower did Japheth stay silt still live eight hundred fifty years old and ham still live a we don't know that you know we sometimes just assume that Japheth and ham also dropped off at the same time that Shem did but that may not be the case so that's an interesting thing to think about at least if you look at some of that when I looked at two garma who was actually a descendant of Japheth it recorded that he lives 600 years old which was actually gives you an idea they might have actually been living a little bit longer in that particular lineage if you look at some of the ancient literature on that imagine trying to find a job in those face by the way 125 years experience required too bad I only have 96 years I'm still not qualified so long ages that's what happens but you know what sometimes I've had people say well you know just imagine trying to live for 900 years old hey guess what those who are covered in the blood of Christ you're gonna live forever so 900 years isn't very much when you step back and think of eternity well where did the French the Portuguese and the Celts actually descend from a lot of people may not know who the Celts are at Celts were a very popular group several several places throughout Europe even on the British Isles some of the Celts made it there let me just kind of give you a trace here before I hit some of the the actual literature Japheth his son Gomer which was his oldest actually moved up and ended up settling in what we call Gaul Galia or what we call France today and even the name Celt and gelt the geez and C's are almost interchangeable and so that's you get the variation of those names the Galatian groups came out of the Gaulish groups and so you have a Galatian group that ended up down in Spain and then you have the port of Gaul Portugal that was down in that particular some of the Galatians fought a war and they were coming down and on their way to Asia Minor people wanted the Greece to get involved in this this was a few hundred years trying to remember the exact timeframe several hundred years BC and the Greeks didn't want to get involved in this battle and this war that was going on but then when the Galatians got down there near Asia Minor and started encroach on their territory they're like yeah they're gonna get involved so they actually just obliterated their army which left colonies of the Galatians in two different areas the Galatians that were left in Asia Minor Paul actually wrote to them the letter of the Galatians that we have in the New Testament the Welsh or a Celtic group that actually came out of Gomer as well one of the variations on the ancient name there was gold meringue if I'm saying that properly so you still see a reflection of that even some of the areas of Celtic Caledonia intermixing with some of the Scots and Irish up in that area a one group of people that mid sow or the Mau people in China which China has a lot of different ethnic people groups within it that particular people group actually has a lineage that goes straight back to Gomer which is kind of neat too but if you look Arthur customs and his book know his three sons he says we thus have the following series GMR become which is the spelling for Gomer without the vowels feeling of that becomes G you are and ultimately became G ul or the name Gul which we're familiar we put the AU in there that's where that actually came from so the the Gauls were actually descendants of Gomer and there's a reflection even in the name we just don't always follow that the Gauls Galatians and the Celts were all established historically as being the same basic groups of people I always thought that was neat the final form you know we observed that as Gaul we see that with John Gil's commentary here as well not just with arthur customs so we do see that from a number of different peoples in fact this is one of the more famous groups the gulls a lot of history on this that can be traced and I just want to give you a taste of it here I want to move over to the Chinese because I want to make sure I have time to hit all this before I run out of time where did the Canaanites and the Chinese come from and it's just what are the odds they would put some of those together I mean with a dumb luck that's that's the beauty of being able to know the history before I put together the slides but a lot of the people in China actually came from the Sinai Peninsula or from the Sinai groups that were there I think of the wilderness of sin Sinai Mount Sinai that sort of thing the Chinese when they went to war against Japan was called the sino-japanese war you still see a reflection of that particular name they were descendants of the cyanides who were descendants of ham now a number of the Canaanite groups were wiped out by Joshua and the Israelites subsequent time some of them intermixed of course with the Israelites but you can see where some of those groups were the land of Canaan they came out of ham obviously and the land of Canaan is pretty well known so yeah even out of China came out of the sign eyes one of the groups of the descendents of Canaan isaiah mentions them as well and I say Isaiah 49 verse 12 behold these will come from afar and lo these will come from the north and from the west and these from the land of Samia and of the commentator samman that's China that's what they call today even John Gil's commentary back in the 1700s Manasseh Ben Israel will have it that the Chinese are intended China is indeed called by Ptolemy the country of the Sai Knights so I mean this really goes back we got some ancient history there relates to that so you have the Sai Knights that come out here they dominate a number of other people groups and I intermix with quite a few that are out there or what are the Greeks and the Japanese come from mm-hmm what are the odds those to be put together well earlier I gave you a hint the descendants of jayven that's Noah's grandsons Jabin or where the Greeks came from so anytime you see Greeks in the Old Testament that Hebrew behind it is Jamin that's actually noah's grandson so you have several different greek groups came out of and we kind of lump them all together some of them went as far as Spain and went in to Tarshish some went as far as Britain and intermixed there we also saw some of these guys going up into Macedonia some of them in the northern parts of Africa but see the Greeks were excellent shipbuilders these guys were you know some of the boatsman these guys would go all over the place and they had some pretty intense trade on the bow and it makes you wonder how far their trade actually went because some of these guys went as far as Java Island what still reflects the name jayven and that's in Indonesia some of them went as far as Japan and intermixed with the cyanides and several other groups there now they were the seafaring people so they were probably taking people groups from all over the place to some of these islands that intermixed as well but here's an instance in Daniel 821 where you see that the name shaven behind what we translate is Greece if you look in the New Testament though it isn't always Jabin that's in there like in this case it's Hellas this is one of jaemin's sons was being translated as Greece in this particular instance - in acts 20 verse - but Father Jove if you think about that you can see a reflection of how he was elevated to a godlike status as well but yeah they traveled all the way out went as far as Java Island and you know we still see reflection of the name they are all throughout that island some of them went as far as Japan some of the chroniclers in the Age of Exploration back in the 1400s as early as that writing on the Philippine Islands Francisco Collins he was a Spanish explorer when I got to explore the Japanese islands got to know the people and who they who they came from they went all the way back to the they say Tharsis which is Tarsus the son of Javon so it gives you an idea maybe Jonah was trying to get that far away makes you wonder but at any rate you know we see some of these connections now of course a lot of other people groups have come into this area and a lot of the cyanide ended up out in Japan as well but that was that much later in history where the Egyptians come from the Egyptians are kind of one of the easy ones actually the Egyptians are much quite a mitten scripture in Genesis 12 now there was a famine in the land so Abram went down to Egypt the Hebrew behind that is mystery and that's Noah's grandson mitzrayim is how that's pronounced again and that's the land of Egypt the Philistines came out of Egypt from one of his particular sons and you know we we can follow that fairly easy so yeah that that's an area not too far we see a lot about them in Scripture one of his sons live Abbas is one of the names given there they're called the Luba min Daniel 11:40 3 they end up migrating over and kind of pushing the foot heights out who later became known as the Moors and some of that area over there but that's actually where the name Libya comes from it's a variation of that particular name some of the descendants of midstream went out and settled between China and India there's an area there if I'm pronouncing this right Meza ran that still reflects that particular name if you look at some of the African groups there's a lot of different African groups obviously the Egyptians are one group of Africans but we sometimes don't think of Egypt in connection with some of the other African groups but the put i'ts put was a know his grandson son of ham and he originally settled in what we call Libya today he moved on over to the western parts of Africa a lot of the Moorish groups they took over Mauritania Morocco probably intermixed with some of the groups there even the Olmec across the ocean in central parts of America they were the precursors to the Mayans they actually have a written language it's very similar to what we see in West Africa and even a lot of the look was very similar which you see in West Africans as well so a lot of these guys ended up there if you look at cush cush is still be you know they're still oftentimes call themselves Kushites so you can still see a reflection of that particular name down in there a lot of places in lower part of Africa called themselves cush or lower cush is what that name was of course Nimrod remained at the tower Babel took over that area and he was a descendant of cush as well some of the Kirsch's descendants went out and formed the hindu kush and some of them went as far down the Malay Peninsula and some of made it all the way to Australia there's actually genetic tie between the Kushites and the Australian Aborigines which is kind of neat so you just kind of step back and look at Africa you can see some of the descendants of mitzrayim some of the descendants afoot and some of the descendants that cush now bear in mind that you also have people going by Bo all around that form different colonies all around in Africa and we have that even going up into the more modern times as well where the Turks come from the Turks are descendants of Gomer son - garma and originally they went up and they were east of the Caspian Sea and kind of up in that area they had a very powerful empire called the tartar empire conquered a big portion of Russia at one stage as a Byzantine Empire was waning in power there on the north side of the Mediterranean Sea the Turks came down and conquered what we now call the land of Turkey parts of Greece Kosovo Albania in those particular areas and so you end up with a lot of Turks in that particular area - where the Russians come from hmm this is a really neat one because there are several different groups of Russians as well one of the major groups was the sippy ins who are descendants of mega remember the Scots and the Irish they came out of Magog so did a lot of the the Russians in the south in particular now they've dominated much of Russia have conquered you know all the way to the Pacific Ocean and so forth the Slavic groups would have come out of Magog as well if you look at some of the north Russians this is where Japheth son Neshek actually meant some of them settled in Asia Minor at the the land of Cappadocia they're actually mentioned later in Scripture but some of them went farther north and settled in the region of Moscow Moscow we still see a reflection of the name and that there's still too much air a lowland I'm a share estate part which reflects that name some of these guys ended up going over and that's where some of the Finnish groups ended up at and some of the Baltic states are right in that particular area some of these guys I think if transversion went all the way over into the Americas and I think there's at least a couple of groups that I've been able to trace over there but you know it's tougher when it gets to the Americas and I know it's going to be tough you know I don't even think I'm gonna have time to be able to get to all those particular groups either but let's look at the Indians this is the the Indians in the land of India not the Native Americans John gale points out looking at some of the ancient literature right I've seen some of this from some of the other ancients do and if you look specifically at Jacque ttan joktan is one of the descendants of Shem they originally settled in Arabia now what happened after that though you know if you follow subsequent history a lot of these guys ended up moving out and they went over to India and that's what John Gil's pointing out here a lot of the Arabic writers said that Jacque can ultimately had 31 sons by one woman two of them remained in Arabia basically the rest and all went over and settled into India now if you just think 11 East 11 language families going into the subcontinent of India that makes a that that's just going to be a language hodgepodge right there in that particular area if you know much about India it really is I knew some great Indian guys they were in my lab at the University two of these guys actually lived about a mile apartment they couldn't speak to each other unless it was in English because their language was so different well you know a lot of other people groups have made it into India as well and so it's it's made that language issue even bigger and so really is it's a language melting plot they're in the land of India so there's quite a few people's in there but a number of them actually came through Joktan the son of Shem Native Americans and Aborigines well I gave you a taste of where the Aborigines came from we ended up having genetic ties with some of the people in the Malay Peninsula and some of the Kushites in Africa which kind of surprised some people would have didn't really surprised a lot of us but if you look at one particular people group in Europe if you look at Tyrus Tyrus one of Noah's grandsons through Japheth that's actually where we get the name Thrace the old name from Bulgaria we still see a reflection and the old Tyrus River of course has been renamed the Turanian see the Etruscans and Italy actually came out of Tyrus but right down there in the Aegean Sea there's ten islands that were there those ancient names of those islands are actually the same as ten of the tribes of Native Americans over here in the North and South America so some of these guys we think had actually transversed all the way across the ocean whether they winter crossed jumping up through Iceland and Greenland and going around that way the same route the Vikings took is a good question we also see reflection of the antic kotti coming through Tyrus as well and there might have been a connection there with some of the Americans as well without going into all the detail if I've plotted a lot of this in the book the Tower of Babel some of the people that I've been able to trace over the Americas are the descendants of Magog some of the sign i'ts - garma Gomer Tyrus ashkenaz put and I think there's several others but I don't like to put their names up here unless I got some pretty good documentation for it but if we just step back and just look at much of the world you can see where some of these grandsons we're just going all over the place and this is just looking at it at a 30,000 foot view if you actually get down there and start looking at these it's even more complicated and you know I want to encourage people that are living in various parts of the world that may have access to ancient stuff in languages that I'll never be able to read I want to encourage you to study these different people groups and I just figure out you know who are they where did they come from and some of this ancient literature is just a goldmine but sometimes people don't understand when they read it you know why it's so significant so I know at this point I know I'm probably running out of a certain amount of time here what I would like to do though is I just give you a taste of some of the resources that you can go to to find out a little bit more about some of this information because if I'm right am i right but I only have about three minutes left you can go for another ball I have a ten minutes bode if you want all right well I'm at least going to tell people about some of the books and resources because some of that's really important information I do want to sum up with something know - the gospel is really important to this I could talk about the tower Babylon people groups left right and center and I could go for hours really doing it but I want you to understand you we're talking about the tower battle stuff in Genesis chapter 10 and Genesis chapter 11 I want you understand that history is true in the Bible because if history is true the message of the gospel is also true so you know there's a huge connection in here when you start to realize wow this out of Africa model was dead wrong and when we actually look at ancient historians and histories and geographers and even names of places all over the world you can't help but miss Genesis chapter 10 it is all over this so you know i-i've just been fascinated by how many people in the world have just let go of actual historians to buy into this brand-new rewritten out of africa history model you see I want people to understand the gospel is true the message of Jesus Christ is true and you know what you can see Christ at the Tower Bible and I think sometimes people read through the counting miss it for example in Genesis 11 7 the wording there was let us go down and confuse their language notice the plurality of a singular God in here this is a reflection of what we see in Genesis 1:26 let us make man in our image you can see that we also see this in Isaiah that plurality but one God when you see that word for Lord that's used in the account that's a variation of the name I am that name I am was revealed a little bit more detail to Moses and Exodus 3:14 God is I am I am Who I am Jesus used that same turnoff terminology in John 8:58 he says before Abraham was I am he was right there claiming to be God I also want you to notice the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ not too long before the events at the tower Babel there was a very violent group of people that were met by a very violent flood in judgment and yeah we see people already starting to defy God at the events at the Tower of Babel or Babel and yet we seeing so much grace in this this minor judgment he confused our language and scattered us but at the same time we got to see those languages come together at Pentecost through the blood of Jesus Christ we can all come together and I'll tell you what that is one of the most powerful messages that I can present using Babel to springboards the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ now I won't encourage everybody please visit us on the web site Answers in Genesis or we have whole section on the tower Babel you can type in a lot of these names find out a little bit more about them also the book the Tower of Babel quite a bit of this stuff is in here I've got maps you can follow that I've got the full reference so you can look up some of this ancient literature you know in some cases what I gave here was just a little quote from some different commentaries or different books but the book is really documented very well so I encourage you to take a look at that a bit more detail now I wrote this book it's not a technical tree Tice there are some areas where while you I'm gonna struggle pronouncing those names don't you don't get me wrong I struggle to but at the same time I would suggest teenagers can even read this book so I don't want you to think wow this looks way over my head I do have a talk recorded where I'm going through the different people groups and I'm starting with the fact that we got Noah Shem ham Japheth and who are the descendents that came out of those a little bit different the way I did it in this talk but this is still a powerful talk I want to again reference the book the annals of the world if you guys want to know more about chronology and a lot of ancient history this book is a massive book by the way you're not going to read this one quickly Adam's wall chart this is a chart of history it starts off with creation then we have the Adam and Eve we have the events that the flood then the tower Babel and then you get to see just a taste of all these different people groups and us who was in charge different kings this is how much history is actually out there it's laid out graphically this guy did this about a hundred years ago and I'll tell you why he had way too much time on his hands oh no doubt about that Josephus he actually gives us a stepping stone you know a lot of different people groups he points out about 2,000 years ago who these people were descendants of it was a great work of stepping stone for different people groups if you want to continue studying that if you're watching this and you're brand new to Christianity here's what I would suggest I start I would suggest you start with the book begin it's selected scriptures Genesis 1 to 11 the Ten Commandments the Gospel of John the book around was in the last two chapters of Revelation it's an overview of Scripture just to give you a taste of it and then you can go back and read the whole Bible we also answer certain questions I clear up some misconceptions as you go through this if you want anything I suggested me our answers books we got for vol was all total in volume - I actually did a chapter on the tower Bible specifically it's a shorter chapter nowhere near what I got in the book but it gives you a taste of it it also answers questions like where can get is why what about races and why is there death and suffering what's the flood mobile or local was it really six days what about gap theory there's host of different questions in here I would suggest most people can read these books even teenagers have no problems with them for the first three volumes we as authors give you a short answer to a number of the questions the books have a lot more information we've never done one for volume four at this stage answers books for kids we now have eight volumes this is just the first four actual questions these are great for devotions with kids answers books for teens one and two this is more geared toward teens I would suggest the younger teens we you know what about the big bang what about dinosaurs from a biblical viewpoint with volume one the red one we actually put a chapter in here on the issue of sexuality and I know dr. Burton's gonna be talking about some of this at a podcast tomorrow you're gonna hear with assignments I want to encourage you guys to come back for that as well but the chapter in here on sexuality it really is powerful I used to work with teens and I have kids come up say how close to that line can I get before it's a sin let's say you know how pure can you be until you get married hey here's what I found out these kids they want to know what the Bible says on the subject but I also found out they're scared to death ask the question and you know what parents pastors youth leaders we're scared to death talk to the kids about it so we put together this chapter it's not even very long it's done tastefully we've seen whole youth groups split the kids apart and take them through on this particular issue and it has been powerful dragons dinosaurs in the Bible I love study in that subject I know I kind of mentioned it here and the fall of Satan I you know we got so many resources friends I want to encourage you just go in if it's at the Answers in Genesis bookstore we rarely sell a book that I wouldn't suggest as an excellent book how do we know the Bible's true flood of evidence the lie we got book after book you want to know more about evolution and what's wrong with that the Out of Africa model missing links this is a book you want it's called glass house shattering the myth of evolution if you want more about world religions and cults we worked with experts from five continents to write and review this book series but there's only two religions in the world guys let's just break it down nice and simple gods and not gods if it doesn't come from God one way or another it comes through the mind of man that's humanism in its most basic sense all other religions one way or another our breakdown of that humanistic religion but powerful powerful set is the Bible true how do we know I'm not gonna go through everything that's in here guys but I do want to mention something the UK bookstore has a 20% off right now with their books and resources and I don't know if they have all these on there I know there's other things you can find over in the UK you might be able to find John Osgood's book over the face of all the earth we don't have that Answers in Genesis here but you can learn a lot about ancient peoples there we used to sell this I don't know if you can still find a copy this called after the flood Bill Cooper you know this is a book that actually inspired me quite a bit forgotten people of the Western world you might be able to find some of these you got to be discerning on some of these you know I would agree with a lot of the stuff in here maybe not everything but if you guys want to research different people groups I would highly suggest that here's a really fascinating book to you and I don't know if you can find a copy this is called God's promise to the Chinese I don't know if any of those are in the UK bookstore not some of those you might 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Norway South Africa even South Dakota so people from all over the world and we do all those books that Bodi mentioned we do have at our Answers in Genesis UK bookstore do you have time for a question or two or sure let's go for it so sometimes people raise the objection to some of the accounts in the Bible and would stay in Genesis 10 and 11 the Tower of Babel table of Nations the contradictions have you got an answer for people for that you know I do and that's actually one of the chapters I have in the book the Tower of Babel what it is when you actually look back at Genesis not everything is written in an exact chronological order so what you need to understand is which parts of the chronological parts which parts jump back and so forth we see this in Genesis chapter 1 and there's been people who claim well Genesis 1 and 2 or a contradiction because there's some things that look out of order but if you look carefully in Genesis chapter 1 all the way up to 2 3 that's the chronological account the rest of Genesis chapter 2 you're actually jumping back seeing what's going on particularly in day six same sort of things going on here in Genesis 10 and 11 in Genesis chapter 11 verses 1 through 9 that's the chronological account in Genesis chapter dinh before that that's the significance or the breakdown of what happened of all those different languages and the different divisions that are in there and I think there's a good reason for that when you have that breakdown in Genesis chapter 10 it actually goes through all these different people groups but some of shims are actually missing and what happens is after the chronological account you immediately go into shims line leading down to Abraham and I think there's a good reason for that I think it was done logically but that clear clarifies any contradiction that there was multiple languages than there was one when you actually understand it properly yeah if you dig deeper you always always find the answer they're not contradictions absolutely what about there's a person that comes up all the time when you look at the Tower of Babel the table nations and that's Nimrod he get specific mentioned there in Genesis what can you tell can you tell us a bit about Nimrod what was his involvement or did he have any involvement at Babel well you know when I grew up I used to think Nimrod was just something called your brother my older brother called me a Nimrod all the time I'm like oh there he is in the Bible but what's interesting you know because if we think chronologically you got Genesis 1 to 11 that's chronological count Genesis chapter 10 doesn't necessarily precede it so when you look back at Nimrod Nimrod he is a mighty hunter and then you know there's some connotations behind that kind of a negative connotation behind that a lot of commentators think he was a hunter of men that sort of thing a warrior if you will but he immediately begins by conquering four places Babel was one of them Caillat there were four different places and that's when he sets up his kingdom so there was at least four cities at that time when he became a king and took over so we have to be very careful of saying well Nimrod was in charge making everything happen in Genesis chapter 11 when there was already people spreading out he went into the land of Asher for example so Asher had already spread out from the tower Babel by that particular point now that's actually contrary to what we read was certain historians have Nimrod in charge of what's going on at the Tower of Babel forcing them to do all this but if you look carefully Genesis chapter 11 it says let us build a city let us build a tower let us they were saying this in unison they weren't saying oh we're gonna take orders from Nimrod on this so I think once you understand that chronological issue that actually kind of goes away and we also I mean Nimrod remained at the tower Babel he spread out from that particular point we can actually follow him in history you know one of the titles for him was they loose and that's shortening to bail and that's forget bail worship and that sort of thing so there is quite a bit of history a lot that we can learn from that but I think we have to be discerning and be very careful with what the text of scripture actually says yeah great thanks Brodie someone's actually given us the question from sigh Cooper hi psych Cooper how can I convince other Christians that they should take Janus seriously and literally well for things first definitely be praying for them and I think one of the things that needs to be done too I think a lot of Christians there they don't have a super high depth of their Christianity and I don't say that lightly because you know I look back in my past there were times I you know I was the the shallowest Christian you can imagine it's like yeah okay I believe in Jesus but I don't know if I could trust this account or that account I think a lot of Christians get stuck in that because we're influenced by the world and so I think one of the things that people need to do they need to understand the power of the Bible the Bible comes with the authority of God Himself the Infinite Creator God himself he is an all-powerful all-knowing he is the God of gods and so his word comes with the authority of himself so when you actually step back okay God's Word is the absolute authority on all matters all of a sudden you start looking at accounts in the Bible a little bit different and I like to put it this way if someone wants to object to something in the Bible by what authority can they do that what authority they appealing to to go against say Genesis chapter 1 or Genesis chapter 11 well to impose the absolute authority of God knows where do you have to appeal to man that's an arbitrary Authority that's actually fallacious right off the back that's called a faulty appeal to Authority for false authority fallacy so when you I think one of the things we need to do is we need to convince Christians right off the bat that God's Word really is God's Word it really is the authority that'll change your life yeah and would you agree that we could also point people towards Jesus and his view of Genesis his view of solutely yes a if look if he's your Lord and Savior how did he view things that's right in fact we have a number of chapters in the answers books and how do we know the Bible's true series where we deal with that one of the chapters is how did Jesus look at Genesis and you know that that's a powerful way he viewed the flood as really view creation as real man and woman were created at the beginning of creation at the end of creation as a long age worldview would be we also have another chapter in there how did other Bible authors take Genesis and I think both of those combined are powerful chapters to say hey the Holy Spirit is consistent from start to finish that's powerful you're doing it yeah maybe one one final question you mentioned it briefly but how does Babel sort of breach into the New Testament with the book of Acts Pentecost where and the nations are scattered in Genesis 11 but then we see the gospel go out at the time of Pentecost you know there's quite a bit and I actually love that you know with the Holy Spirit being unleashed you know we got to see all the languages come back together right there you know people thought they were drunk like what's up with this madness but people were here in the gospel in their own language and you know what that was the initial precursor as those people went back to their homelands they took the gospel with them so by the time the Apostles were arriving you know Paul was wanting to go to Rome the gospel it already gotten there because of probably will some of the things that happened at Pentecost so we do see that we see the gospel uniting and bringing people together but just think of the Great Commission from Christ himself go into all nations teaching them baptizing them disciple in the name of the Father Son and the Holy Spirit we're to go into all nations you know we've got that that freedom to go into all nations and you know by the power of the Holy Spirit we see people say Jesus is Lord and I'll tell you what it's it's the Holy Spirit's job and he's got us going on the ride and it's a wonderful ride so there's so much in the New Testament you know and I've always wondered you know when we get to heaven what language is gonna be spoken in heaven and I'm pretty sure it's my Western Illinois hick dialects actually though it'll be fast now I think we got a taste of it there at Pentecost you know where it all comes together so it's some to look forward to we'll be glorified in heaven remember it's interested in as well in Luke's Gospel and in Luke chapter 10 Jesus sends out the 72 a reflection of the table of Nations so there's not lots of connections there to Babel in Scripture yeah there's so much you know we're just gonna taste islets no yeah so if you do want to know more I would encourage you to go to the Answers in Genesis store at Answers in Genesis ah dog and get bodis book real great book and his DVD and some of the other things that Bodhi mentioned it but thanks for tonight Bodhi thanks for your time it's been a great great blessing and thank you to everyone from

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