What happened to the ancient Egyptians? (Part 19)

well hi everyone here we are again dr. Nathaniel Jenson myself Ken Ham CEO of Answers in Genesis Krrish Museum in the Ark Encounter and we are up to number 19 so I don't know about you Nathaniel but I think I I feel a little bit like the little boy once who was at a conference and he came up afterwards and he said mr. Helme I'll be listening to all the talks and my brain is full so I don't know how many people out there I like him and their brain is full but we are on to episode 19 if people want to see all the episodes they're all there on answers tbh that's our streaming service very inexpensive for a year subscription just over three dollars a month and you get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Answers in Genesis videos we got Spanish ones up there now we're also putting Arabic up as well as all of the English ones of course and you can also go to our youtube channel the Answers in Genesis YouTube channel but today episode 19 what happened to the ancient Egyptians in a few cultures evoke as much passion curiosity and mystery as ancient Egypt because the giant pyramids powerful Pharaoh's glittering to's mummies from the dawn of civilization well the dawn you know in in a sense after the fun Egypt is hard to ignore what happened to these people who are their descendants the Egyptians of today who are they or might the genealogy of these peoples reach much further than the Nile Valley the River Valley and into Europe what relationship does Egypt had to some Saharan Africa how did these regions of Africa interact before the arrival of European explorers okay I'm my brain is full just thinking about all that so you're going to join us today as we unravel well dr. Nathaniel Jenson is with all of his studies unravel the Enigma of ancient ancient Africa and as do that when people keep in mind that a lot of this research is based on genetics I mean this is the new history of the human race when we say new history compared to what the secular world teaches of course it is is rewriting history and not rewriting biblical history rewriting secular history so to speak and your research on the y chromosome where that is inherited through the mail and you can look at the differences and similarities as you compare people groups all around the world and it helps you understand relationships and so how closely related they are and how people were connected and so ok here we are we're ready for what happened to the ancient Egyptians doctor and the founder Jensen I was reminded of the stereotypes we carry into questions like these when my wife and I were watching a National Geographic episode recently on ancient Egypt and the gold treasures of King Tut's tomb and these sorts of topics that never grow old and I noticed how the Egyptian archaeologists as part of the show would own ancient Egypt as their own and that sort of common assumption the country I live in means the ancestors who the people came before me must be my ancestors it that seems all too common it's an assumption I've taken for granted myself and we're seeing time and time again this turns out not to be true there's been much more migration interaction intermixing among peoples and we previously thought and we get to tackle that question head-on today as part of the larger question of what's the relationship among peoples on the globe we've been spending a lot of time looking at people's alive today and their relationships among them in the past this now brings us closer to the question of what is the relationship between these ancient cultures many of them famous and ones we hold with reverence and awe and people's alive today could there be Caucasians like me of European descent who have a relationship genealogically to the ancient Egyptians today's episode is all so when we get to finally deliver on the promise that so-called black white white people exist Caucasians who had dark-skinned ancestry in their past we've seen in previous episodes fulfillment of the promise I made that to see that most Europeans have recent Asian ancestry that these nationalities that we take such pride in German French Greek Roman disappear within a few hundred years in the human family tree we've looked at the pre-columbian americas and seen a shocking find there and next week we're going to look at finally this question of some of the most ancient history then the Anna tolls and who they were and their relationship to ancient catastrophes and my hope in all this is that we we'd marvel at who we came from and the stories of those we love and we probably never dreamed of marveling before I've discovered that this is one of many possible reactions to what we've seen another is to take offense because we're touching on dearly held nationalities so you think about what is the origin of Jewish people today and some what we discussed in the past episode I found people aren't necessarily too happy with because we're rewriting some of how people think about their own story but this is this is what genetics records and sometimes it's unpleasant and my hope is that we'd all be able to sit back and say this is an incredible story that God has ordained and in our next episode we'll look at some of the more biblical background to what we've been discussing so for if you've grown up like me Africa forms the foundation of the mainstream to human origins now I grew up in a Christian household creationist household yet you can't help but notice from the mainstream sources all around us National Geographic and just what's on TV that the mainstream narrative puts Africa at the big dawn the beginning of human history modern human history they say hundreds of thousands of years ago the first in modern anatomically modern humans arose from an ape-like existence on the plains savannahs of Africa and this map summarizes in a nutshell one screen the long time scale of human history according to evolution beginning here in ancient Africa 200,000 years ago sometimes now 300,000 years ago migrating Out of Africa hundred thousand fifty thousand years ago and spreading out through the rest of the globe and as we saw in previous episodes 15,000 years ago relatively recently according to evolution would have moved into the Americas now 200 thousand years ago is a big landmark in my mind there's still a lot of blanks to be filled in and mainstream science between the origin of mankind and the first civilizations but once again even in mainstream science Africa sits at the dawn of human civilization with ancient Egypt and to this day for good reason we still marvel at the wonders and treasures of ancient Egypt it's one of the cradles of civilization that archaeological textbooks will speak of that along with Mesopotamia and Indus River Valley in China and central Mexico but for me even growing up taking Western civilization well Africa maybe at the dawn of history after the flood and plays a prominent role in the history of Israel biblically in my mind there still was a big blank between ancient Egypt and some of the interactions between that civilization and ancient Israel there's still a big blank between the people migrating after Babel and everything that's going on south of Egypt sub-saharan Africa it's been a big mystery for me for a long time especially its relationship to ancient Egypt and my history that I grew up with was it's basically Egypt then nothingness for uncertainty until we get to the age of exploration and the arrival of missionaries explorers Europeans in the sub-saharan African region in the last few hundred years so what is the story of Africa especially as it relates to ancient Egypt there's this big several thousand year gap between the cradles of civilization and history's I was taught in sub-saharan Africa especially beginning with Livingstone and such and of course there's the question of what do you do with all the history mainstream folks talk about in Africa prior to this how does Egypt fit into all this what does genetics say about it because weird episode 19 I'm going to review the previous episodes very quickly just in case there are folks joining us for the first time episode 1 we looked at the history of human population growth the history of peoples and seeing how very different it is from the history of politics the sets the foundation for everything we've said going forward episode 2 look at the math of our family trees to see how much more connected we are than we think in shocking ways episodes 3 and 4 looked at the genetics of ethnic change and the math of human reproductive rates and seeing that you can have one ethnic group take over another silently in ways we never would expect you can have most Europeans be of African ancestry and not know it in theory episodes 5 & 6 laid the foundation for all that we've said since looking at genetic clocks that exist in each of us changes it happened at the DNA level that mark off the passage of time and allow us to reconstruct a family tree for the globe and we've seen that it's the male inherited DNA the Y chromosome that's the key to all this and this is not anything you'd find with mainstream popular genetic testing like 23andme Family Tree DNA one of these sites ancestry.com this is something unique to Answers in Genesis to the creationist community this is information you can find only here so we began to explore the street episode 7 looking for lost relatives of Europe and we found some in India in Central Asia in episode 8 we so the explanation seems to be the Mongol Empire and its aftermath the greatest empire the world has ever seen episode 9 we saw a connection to ancient China and and the one that connects to modern Europe through the barbarians of the north it appears we turned our attention to Western Europe and the Americas since they're related and episode 10 and so there's a hidden history here the ancestors of most of Western Europeans are Central Asians in a way we wouldn't expect and that goes back just about a thousand years we then turn the page to the pre-columbian americas in episode 11 looking at dramatic changes in mainstream archaeology we applied the human family tree to this question and saw a gigantic shock in episode 12 there's been a resetting today's Native Americans were not the first Americans this caused us an episode 13 to revisit some of the oral histories of Native Americans and saw that they may have actually recorded this first in a way that most folks if not not paid attention to 14 we looked at some of the famous civilizations of the Americas like the Mayans and why they collapsed and saw that this new discovery about an invasion of the Americas before Columbus may explain this 15 we saw a relationship between ancient Native Americans and Europeans that I never would have predicted 16 we turned our attention to who were the first Americans and potential relationships to the ancient cultures the Pacific and Aboriginal Australia 17 we looked at what happened to the Vikings returning to Europe and some of the earliest European civilizations and the role that the Black Death may have played in the proliferation of these central asian lineages in the modern era 18 we looked at the question of the Jews and some very popular claims of so-called Jewish lineages and the evidence for and against it and the question of whether or not we can identify Moses Abraham's DNA and this is a question we'll pick up again next week today we want to look at the question what happened to the ancient Egyptians this brings us closer to the beginnings of post flood history and the history of ancient Israel there's been two major studies we've been looking at I want to return to them again both of them sample a number of African lineages not necessarily Egyptian ones but these will still provide us clues by which we can get back to this ancient history you'll notice here that this again this 1,000 genomes project that that's the name of it looked not at the most not of the majority of the geographic sections of the globe but at the major places of where the people are which is India China western Africa Europe so forth and you can see there's a number of African lineages right here where there's a high concentration of peoples well these African lineages show up down here we you may have noticed in previous episodes there's this very long branch that comes out that we have not discussed up until this point you may been wondering how this affects everything we've been discussing because it it looks like it doesn't fit all these other lineages that we've looked at in previous episodes how can you have people with such long branches going into the future what does this mean and this plays a huge role in the apologetic discussion and the question of where did humanity first arise in Africa or elsewhere the second study shows something similar again they they also sampled much of a good chunk of Africa release of where the people are they didn't sample as deeply as the thousand genomes project they looked at a wider geographic swath of the globe but looked at fewer people within each population once again though you can see the Africans down here and especially the long branches in these African lineage so what is this a critic might say this is the against everything I've said this this this odd outlier long branches that implied a history that's in the future that just doesn't fit and the way they'd say we need to reorient the tree is to place the beginning somehow here make all the branches equal in length like this mainstream scientific paper did we're not gonna zoom in here but the the African lineages aren't read down here I said we should orient the tree by putting start right here they would say no no no these long branches you have to orient the whole tree so that everyone lands and and it comes to the present at the same point in time so that means if you do the mental gymnastics to reorient the tree that puts these long branches way back here it extends the history of humanity way into the distant past and then also means the first lineages that branch off are Africans so the orientation of the family tree that's the point here is the basis part of the basis for the mainstream community saying we arose in Africa first however there's a key assumption in all this the Assumption all this is that the rate at which the y-chromosome clock ticks we said the basis for this ticking is the imperfect inheritance of this Y chromosome from father's to sons these copying mistakes they assume that the rate of which the clock ticks is the same in all lineages now why would I call that an assumption why wouldn't I just say this is a measurement well because the only father-son y chromosome clock rates that have been measured have been measured in europeans not in africans no one has actually gotten African fathers and sons' especially the DNA from Africans African fathers and sons' in those long lineages see how fast or slow the clock ticks what if their clock ticks twice as fast three is three times as fast let's say instead of two to three mistakes per generation it's four to six that's not a big difference but a lead if that's true to these long branches over time there's an indirect way to test this and it relates to something we discussed back in episode 6 the smoking gun of human history the history of human population growth you can go back to that episode and see the details but the point is the branches on a family tree reflect changes in population size in a sense this is self-evident in terms of my y-chromosome inheritance I have three boys so there's one branch for me and then it goes into three my three boys and then my little nuclear family the number of branches of my family tree is reflected of the population size of men in my family that principle is applicable around the globe so you can count the number of branches in the global human family tree at any particular point in time to get a sense for how many people there are we talked about how the shape of human population growth over history now I've drawn up here beginning in a thousand BC up to close to the present as sort of this hockey stick shape where it's gradual growth for two thousand years and then shoots up in the last few hundred well if you can reconstruct the history of human population growth count the number of branches within the global human family tree but from a perspective of the tree being only forty five hundred years old you get a very close match between what we know from archeology and history written history like Roman census records Chinese census records compare that to what we get from the y-chromosome boom there it is that's the smoking gun now what we may it not have discussed in as much detail which may not have realizes all that comes and is based on where you put the start so let me show you what I mean what if we reorient the tree and we say okay let's see what happens if we do what the evolutionists say we should do we should reorient the tree put the African branches in the back and and totally turn it all around so that all the branches are the same length we assume that the clock ticks the same rate and this means we must have started in Africa all that everything that goes with the evolutionary model except the total time scale we say it's still 4,500 years but it begins way back here in Africa that's where Noah is well you can then try to reconstruct the history of human population growth and what you find is it's a much poor match so you notice right here again the hockey stick shape in this light blue right here from archeology and from history if you then say well what happens if we say the tree starts in Africa and we really want the whole thing like the evolutionists say well that it's below the line it doesn't match for here here it doesn't match for from a thousand BC first thousand years it's about two thousand years of being off the blue line and then it finally jumps up and starts matching so let's compare these side-by-side if we put nowhere I say we should should be putting Noah we get a ninety-five percent match between the tan line and blue lines if you put Noah back here where the evolutionists say we should you get about a twenty seven percent match between the tan line and the blue line so here's empirical scientific evidence that this is orienting the tree wrong straight from science and you can read more about this if you're interested the technical details in these papers that I published so that's just one glimpse into the scientific reasons why it's entirely appropriate to remove this part of the mainstream story off the human time line we didn't come from some primitive ape-like creature in Africa we came from no on his family a few thousand years ago somewhere in the Middle East and then boom they dispersed so let's focus now and turn our attention to the human timeline the human history and especially African history so that we can get out the question of ancient Egypt so we're gonna go back to this tree with Noah back here and so just to wrap up what I just said the the strong implication of what I just showed you is that these particular Africans perhaps have their clock ticking a little bit faster now someone has asked me doesn't that add some uncertainty or error to what I'm doing in theory yes and practice no that's been accounted for I just haven't said so it's in the papers that I published that's been accounted for from the start and has very little effect on what we're doing I accounted for that fact and it changes very little of what we've discussed so let's turn our attention to these African lineages we've talked about in previous episodes that the major divisions in the global Y chromosome family tree are assigned labels in the systematic manner these are some of the major African branches it ain't pretty science isn't well-known for coming up with aesthetically pleasing and nice-looking names it's pretty ugly but it's functional there's a there's a system to doing all this that isn't pretty but it helps you know where you are in the tree we talked about how if you go back to the beginning the the several initial early major divisions in the family tree are assigned an arbitrary letter of the alphabet ABCDE r s so forth if some of those deep branches themselves branch again later in history they're assigned a number D 1 e 2 if those subsequent branches then divide again you get another letter e 1 a e one B and and every time keep branching as you go on through history and the letter another number II 1 B 1 a that's how you get these very ugly not ugly labels like right here what this means is it's the deep branch e first division divide it again divide it again divide it again ugly but that's the way it works helps you know what's going on so there's six major branches in these studies that we've been discussing I'm gonna remove two of them the first one I'm gonna remove eetu because it's only about 4% of the African lineages that we see today I'm also going to remove a one just to keep the discussion simple because it's only about it averages about 5% and sub-saharan Africa the ones that are of most interest for our discussion today are these four lineages right here a B and then two subdivisions within a 1 e 1 B 1 a mouthfull u 1 B 1 B and I'm entering these and using these ugly labels just because some of you watching may have taken a genetic test and maybe in some of these groups we'll talk about why that may be the case in a moment to keep it easier to follow which branch for talking about I'm gonna sign them separate colors and I do that because we're gonna look at the geography of each of these lineages and Africa and the geography has some shocking implications for history that I I wouldn't have predicted so let's start with a a is found in two major regions of Africa it may not seem like it as much significance up here sort of north central Africa and Southwest Africa well the peoples who have a tend to be the click speaking peoples of Southwest Africa they are the Kois on or the Bushmen these are the rock stars of evolution because they have some of these longest branches which they say they know the key to looking at African history with just seeing the evidence for that not being the case but they're still a fascinating people group as well as the people up here which are the Sudanese ones including the Dinka I said they're very interesting because of their features Africa has some of the greatest diversity in physical features on the planet you've got people in Sudan who have some of the darkest skin on the planet and some of the tallest people on the globe and they have an Asian look to their eyes some of the click speakers they actually have clicks that I can't even do myself as part of their language they have very light skin light brown these are very very dark brown is very light brown they also have Asian looking eyes and so this raises all sorts of questions as to what is their history B has a fairly similar distribution down here up here and a little bit in between there's there's pygmy peoples very short stature peoples in central Africa will also have some of this there's also I think some click speakers in East Africa who share this lineage that's a and B the dominant group within Africa sub-saharan Africa is this e 1 B 1 a you can see it's most of West Africa and again the size of these circles I failed to mention this I apologize the size of these circles is a reflection of the relative concentration what percentage of peoples in this region have this lineage well big circles lots of people small circles a little bit so Sudan lots of ANB very little B 1 B 1 a but in West Africa Central Africa and down into southern Africa lots of this e 1 B 1 a you might recall from episode 4 we discussed the transatlantic slave trade the sad history of 12 million sub-saharan Africans forced against their will across the Atlantic over a million failing to make it ten point seven million arriving heavily in South America also in the Caribbean and surprising to me very few directly into North America and in just a tiny fraction into Europe well given their origins what might we expect their lineages to be this slave trade drew heavily on Western Africa and as well as the western coast of Central Africa some of South West Africa and so unsurprisingly perhaps 62 percent of African Americans are in this a 1 B 1 a lineage the echo of the slave trade the last group I want to discuss is this e 1 B 1 B again a mouthful but it's basically the north and east african lineage that will return to momentarily if you look at these all together it might just look like a big jumbled mess with the little meaning but there's some explosive clues in these patterns that'll unravel some of the mysteries of ancient Africa recall from previous episodes we discussed languages and right lay creationists have pointed to the Genesis 11 dispersion at the Tower of Babel as the impetus for the formation of the major ethno-linguistic groups today Genesis 10 lists about 70 men and if you look at the number of languages today you see there's a there's a much bigger number of living languages compared to Genesis 10 and the answer to this comes from looking at the relationships among languages we speak today for example you can see looking in looking at English and German words there's a lot of similarities in in words everyone needs to use father mother being born live so forth there's more similarities between English and German than between English and Spanish but Spanish and Latin have a lot more similarities to each other than either has to English it's almost as if these similarities and differences imply historical relationships this isn't evolution this is language diversification following God's initial confusing of the tongues at Babel and we saw that a general rule of thumb for identifying what these original language groupings were is this group call family now there's a little bit more than twice as many families as numbers of men and Genesis 10 we talked about in previous episodes how there's been a unusual multiplication of families and multiplication I mean by in terms of the people classifying languages and the Americas and even mainstream folks are talking about how we're likely that's likely going to be reduced a very small number and that will bring the total number of families and much closer alignment with the Genesis 10 family number so there's there's a very intriguing correlation here so it looks like God separated these groups into their families and within each family you have multiplication sort of like if you're familiar with our work on species it's similar to the concept of go on creating kinds and then within a kind you get multiplication but not conversion from one kind to another what about Africa this is where we can bring our discussion to bear and see some profound correlations I didn't expect to find and you may not have expected to find given everything we said about Europe notice how in Europe there's basically two language families there's light-green indo-european so the Germanic languages the Romance languages English Spanish French German Norwegian all that and this even extends into India there's Sanskrit in other languages that are part of the same family and there's one other family here this this dark green one you're a liqueur fenugreek that's Hungarian Finnish and then some of the ones that stretch into modern Russia yet we saw the genetic level Europe is a hodgepodge of Central Asian origin lineages there's different ones for Western versus Eastern Europe there's a couple different ones for Eastern Europe there's looks like there's an indigenous European one there's a whole mix and it doesn't necessarily reflect the language groupings well in Africa there's about five language families there's the indo-european one down here which I don't feel like we should even count because that's just due to the migration of Europeans to South Africa during the Age of Exploration in terms of indigenous languages if we can use that term there's this one Madagascar it's part of the Austronesian episode 16 we talked about history of the Pacific and that the connections between Indonesia and Madagascar in terms of mainland Africa there's this large Niger Congo family in green in lime green as the koi sana clicks speaking people's nilo-saharan is this peach colored one which includes the very tall Dinka of Sudan as well as the Masai of Kenya and the North Africa is dominated by these orange afro-asiatic languages like Arabic let's zoom in on Africa change the colors slightly and then compare it to the genetics we've just seen again Madagascar is sort of the outlier here because it's connected to the east to the Pacific you've got the indo-europeans due to recent immigration from Europe and then the what I'm gonna call the African languages boys on and blue the the two divisions of Niger Congo and shades of brown nilo-saharan the Messiah and the Dinka and dark blue and then the afro-asiatic in this tan color light tan do you see any correlation to the genetics we discussed if you look at this big mix this busy diagram it may not be obvious so let's break it back down into its component parts P 1 B 1 B this North and East African lineage is shockingly close to the distribution of the afro-asiatic language family that's surprising you don't see anything quite like this in Europe up here is the genetic groupings and right up there is the language groupings is that there might be some parallel history a 1 B 1 a is this sub-saharan lineage that covers much of west central and southern Africa very close to the Niger Congo distribution which is west central and goes down into southern Africa that's it that's a remarkable correlation a and B even though they're classified as separate divisions as we saw earlier have a sort of overlapping distribution found in similar places that if you were to combine these into one circle would be fairly big circle of a and B down here a decent sized a B circle up here and down here and up here show overlap with the nilo-saharan and Kois on language families but there's a linkage here account in both places it's almost as if these two groups of people were once close to one another perhaps intermixing but now are divided by these font two languages it's as if these two groups even though they're separate languages may have been in close geographical proximity until they were split perhaps by an invasion of he's bound to people's could this be the bomb to expansion to which mainstream scientists prefer only this sub-saharan African history alone though for the moment and turn our attention back to D 1 B 1 B this North African and the East African lineage because it holds some even more clues that lead us closer to ancient Egypt it's not just an African lineage it spills over at low levels into the Middle East the Arabian Peninsula the Levant so Israel and such Jordan Turkey and southern Europe basically absent from northern Europe Eastern Europe India China it's it's North African but also here and this represents then the fulfillment of the promise that so-called black white people exist dark-skinned excuse me light-skinned peoples who have African ancestry now I have to correct something I've said they've had it for thousands of years in developing and doing the research for this presentation I'm gonna add a little caveat that we'll get to momentarily but notice there's a strong dominant African lineage that has a presence in Spain Italy Balkan Peninsula there are Europeans running around you probably look like me and Ken and this is gonna have spillover into the to the Americas Australia as well other places that were settled by Europeans there are people who have ancestry and African don't know it could be white supremacists who have ancestry in Africa and don't know it who are these people to answer that question I want to bring in the of language again again we saw this amazing overlap between genetics and language which in Europe is unparalleled Europe is this mix of invasion after invasion after invasion yet fairly homogeneous linguistics in Africa the language seems to match the genetics just like the genetics there's spillover of afro-asiatic into Arabia Asia after Asiatic Arabic think of that language as being a dominant language as part of this language family well I think of Arabic I think of Muslims and Muhammad and the Islamic conquests now initially I thought this he won b-1b lineage in blue here I thought this was the echo of the Islamic slave trade you might recall from episode 4 that there was this other slave trade doesn't get as much attention as the transatlantic yet it has a similar total number of people enslaved 11 to 12 million it lasts much longer than the trend of transatlantic slave trade so it's not this big rush of people's within a few centuries it stretched out over 12 centuries to six hundreds of courses when Muhammad begins his conquests and it extends all into the 1800s and instead of moving people to the Americas it moves people towards places where the Islamic peoples are now I used to say this was the echo of the slave trade I'm now leaning towards the different explanations for why this exists why these lineages exists where they do and what the history of this particular grouping of primarily African lineages represents so let's dig deeper into the Islamic conquests which begin in Arabia then begin expanding outward into close to southern Asia across North Africa into Europe this is not the permanent state of affairs though of course we talked about last episode and thinking of the history of the Jews that by the mid 800 s the eastern part of this Empire begins to be cut off and reconquered by Central Asians Iranian and Turkish people's and as well they've had to get pushed out of Europe Spaniards reconquer and the Muslims are pushed out of Europe right before Columbus set sail for the new world this is what I'm going to focus though on for its relevance to e1 b-1b this North African lineage I said the Turks didn't stay there last time they moved across and marched through the Middle East in that 1000 AD and in short order they were pushed out of Middle East by a subsequent conquest from Central Asia the Mongols the greatest empire the world has ever seen the Turks though persisted in the tip of modern-day Turkey so that's how they went from Central Asia to modern-day Turkey and that again this is something I ought to keep reminding myself up I think Turkish people I think modern-day Geographic Turkey know their origins are in Central Asia they Recon Corps push out some of these Mongols and their empire stretches into the Middle East and we said last time it seems to be the most likely explanation for the distribution of this group J lineages it's found at these levels in these places heavily in the Arabian Peninsula the geography of the Ottoman Empire overlaps very well here and the timing of various splits there's multiple lines of evidence that I think point towards a Turkish origin for much of the modern peoples in these places let's zoom out a little bit so we can see Africa and compare it to this e 1 B 1 B if we over at these two distributions there's sort of a complimentary distribution in other words if you think about the history of the Islamic conquests it's like the combination of J and E 1 B 1 B fits the distribution you have to remember that after Mohammed comes the Turkish people's and it makes sense there's an intriguing Geographic correlation that I want to explore further who are these a 1 B 1 B peoples so let's go back to the tree of their name a 1 B 1 B and because we talked about you want to be when a you know they're close to that e 1 b 1 b 2 lineage and the tree down here so let's look at these two lineages next to each other there are subdivisions of this e 1 b branch and E one is a deeper Division II is the deep division of a tree u 1 B 1 B is up here you want to be when a is down here so in a sense forgetting about a and B for a moment these two elin edges cover most of Africa and they're sort of mutually exclusive by and large they're basically North African and sub-saharan African lineages this is the dominant lineage in dark-skinned African peoples well these two lineages have a common ancestor around 500 BC again these are very rough numbers it depends on where exactly you put know in the tree we'll have much more to say about exactly where we put Noah in subsequent episodes we'll get at that shortly the first thing I want us to notice though is that this date for a major split in Africa is not that far from other splits we discussed in episode 16 recall then that the very dark-skinned peoples of the Andaman Islands they're basically south east of India close to the southeastern Asian Peninsula Burma Myanmar Thailand so forth there's very dark-skinned peoples there that split off from of all peoples a Japanese lineage in 800 BC and around that same time was a major split again among dark-skinned a light-skinned people's the the people splitting off you're around 800 BC includes Siberians India peoples in India Papua New Guinea Australian Aborigines another Japanese lineage there's there's all sorts of activity happening around this ancient time period in the BC era and we talked about how perhaps these peoples may have had an origin from a migration from Africa we don't know yet but there's this intriguing hypothesis that it suggests and here we have a division within Africa within a few centuries of that date so was there some sort of major migratory activity in Africa in the first millennium before Christ what's going on here there's another implication of this connection and I want to show it by trying to trace the history outwards this is the explanation I'm leaning towards now instead of this being a 1 B 1 B being dark-skinned sub-saharan Africans who are being forced out of sub-saharan Africa into the Islamic empire to be slaves I think there's something else for one you might recall from episode 4 that the this Islamic slave trade has a different under makeup than the transatlantic slave trade transatlantic slave trade the people are trying to force people onto plantations to work the fields it's about two to one men to women this slave trade the Islamic slave trade is looking for household workers by and large so it's two to one females to men and we're looking at the y-chromosome lineage so that's one reason why I'm not convinced this is necessarily a slave trade it may be something else so 500 BC these two lineages are one people one population they have a common ancestor and then in 500 BC or so around there a splits happens and I'm gonna say they go these directions for one because e 1 B 1 a becomes the dominant lineage in sub-saharan Africa just statistically you find some dark-skinned person sub-saharan Africa or if you're in the Americas you have dark skin you have a high probability of being in this lineage but these guys dominating North and East Africa Ethiopia Somalia Libya Algeria Egypt I'm suggesting they may have also gone to the Arabian Peninsula so that's over a thousand years later 600 to 800 when Muhammad and his band of Arab Muslims began expansion it may be this e 1 B 1 B lineage that does the expanding I find this intriguing eerie correlation between the geographic extent of the Mohammed Empire and our and his descendants and the distribution of e 1 B 1 B another reason why is when I was initially getting into linguistics when I saw the distribution of Africa's languages North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula I thought that's the Muslim conquest that has to be it how else can you explain the distribution these languages and here you see a genetic lineage that is very strongly correlated with it the only exception is it isn't dominant now in the Middle East but there I think there's a reason for that fast forward a few centuries to the thousands we talked about the arrival of the Turks from Central Asia they go marching through the Middle East I think this is how you begin to lose the dominance of e 1 B 1 B in the Middle East Turks of course then gets nearly extinguished by the Mongols they survive and still fight the sixteen hundreds they begin pushing north and south north into Europe south into the Arabian Peninsula I think start kicking out some of the original Arab Muslims Turkish Muslims take over let's zoom out a little bit further so we can see the rest of the world and how this history plays out at some point well this history is going on II won b1 a begins his expansion in sub-saharan Africa so much so that by the time the trends that like slave trade begins these are the people's they're enslaving and bringing to the new world and that sequence events I think explains the distribution of these lineages that we see today it raises new questions I think it explains it basically what I'm saying is I think this is originally an African lineage that gets into Arabia expands this direction that direction and then gets replaced by Turkish peoples who don't quite get as dominant in these directions new questions yes these people you're a common ancestor who were they what do they look like so let me back up for a sec I'm saying these might actually be Arab Muslims who have African origins originally 500 BC so at some point there's dark-skinned peoples but you look at Arabs today they don't look like sub-saharan Africans at some point I think there was a dark-skinned ancestor because again one of these lineages becomes all these dark-skinned peoples this is where we bring an ancient Egypt these people have a common ancestor then they split in 500 BC this I'm saying looks like it probably became the Arab Muslims with him when conquering and remained the dominant lineage in North Africa but got replaced by Turkish people in the Middle East these people went on to dominate sub-saharan Africa well the geographic connection between this group in this group clothes right through here so what was going on in ancient Egypt the 500bc could Egypt be the origin of these two peoples and since a1 b1 B eventually spills into Europe could there be Europeans who have ancient Egyptian lineages within a century or two of this date 500s BC the rulers of Egypt are Nubians dark-skinned peoples from Sudan and Ethiopia they are one at some point one of the ruling dynasties in Egypt is this the ancient Nubians could this be the kingdom of Aksum of Ethiopia or of Moreau to answer these questions you'll join us next time the future episodes of the new history of the human race well Nathaniel it's very interesting you know I was thinking as you're going through all that you know we most people have been taught this out of Africa idea because of the evolutionary paradigm you know that man evolved out of Africa came from the ape-like ancestors you know started walking upright and so on and then moved out around the earth so there's a lot at stake here from a perspective of the secularists because if the history you are giving here is correct and it doesn't make sense and it fits with you know your genetic studies which confirms what the Bible's been saying all along I mean it's it's it's not just how do these different cultures come about I mean the whole the whole evolutionary worldview is really challenged here and undermined so there's a lot of stake for the Sakura Sydney there is much at stake and what makes it so significant from my perspective for the mainstream community is what I just described is not a long-winded here's where the evolutionists are all wrong it's here's why the biblical timescale is right and how you can make sense of all this and oh oh oh this connects and this connects and it's a positive this makes sense which is a much harder argument to counter because their last resort historically we're dealing with creationists as well give us something better we just did not what are you gonna do they haven't gotten that point the debate to have it have a response to that so this this this has gigantic ramifications for their for their model and you know the other thing too that I was thinking you know looking at some comments that people have made some of the sessions that you've done I think people had this idea there's no way that sort of change could occur that quickly but the point is it can it's just they've been indoctrinated because of the evolutionary paradigm once again to think that such changes takes place over thousands upon thousands hundreds of thousands of years but when you go to actually potential right there that God put in the original humankind I mean such change can occur very quickly you know we've been one generation you can have significant changes as you've shown within two or three I mean you could have dark skin and then suddenly you've got light skinned and think people think how could that happen so quickly but it's very easy when you understand genetics and I think it's just the indoctrination in the millions of years doctrine ation and Out of Africa idea mainly both from a great reaches and doctrine ation that you know those changes take long periods of time cause some to say how can what you be saying is right and yet what you're saying bits with real science observational science and when you start to understand genetics you realize those changes can happen so quickly and I even had to correct my own view on this I was gonna go looking for some some images to illustrate what I was saying and I was gonna make the point when I was developing this presentation that see just look how differently the dark-skinned sub-saharan Africans are from the Arab North Africans in the Middle East and then you go looking for images of Muslims and Arabs and you're like there's a lot of pretty dark-skinned Arabs that still run around North Africa in the Middle East I can't take this point this man tak be the echo of the African origin of these peoples they've intermixed then with other Asians and so there's middle ground but you look at some of the peoples today in Egypt in Libya and Algeria in Saudi Arabia and I had to say I can't do this there's there's a lot of dark-skinned people's here this contrast is not what I initially assumed it was theirs to me still a lot of physical echo of this history in the peoples of these places today you know and there's a lot of other ramifications too as you've been saying I mean you mentioned white supremacists who could have really dark-skinned people in their ancestry not that long ago since they would not like to think of that as possible from an evolutionary perspective oh you know they've got this you know superiority idea and this has taken a long time but understand we're so closely related didn't take as long as you think we're looking at cultures today that are developed as a result of all this we're more closely then related than people think so episode 20 tomorrow the neglected biblical clues to ancient history and I know in your notes that you sent me you said new biblical discoveries is a dangerous play it phrase so I'm wondering what you mean by that and I guess we're gonna find out in episode 20 want to give us just a really brief summary and then we'll finish this session we've rightly talked about the seven seas of history which hit at the major points of debate among evolutionists and creationist creation corruption confusion a creation corruption catastrophe infusion Christ conquest or Christ's cross consummation and there you have here's the Bible says vs. evolution plus the gospel I've been forced to go back and say okay if we're gonna dig at the details of the history of civilization after the flood I went into this naively and realized it and have discovered along the way there's some other key biblical signposts you have to take into account when doing this history so I'll tell some of my own story and some other clues I think from Scripture that that I've missed and perhaps others have missed and I say it's always dangerous because how many of our opponents have said well and how many problems we'll continue to say well there's this missing clue in Genesis 1 that gives us a clue it's millions of years old wrong that's not what it says so I go into questions like this with fear and trepidation of you can't be rewriting a text but at the same time we're all fallible humans the Bible is God's Word it's a massive book that takes a lifetime to master and even then we haven't explored all of its depths and where we ever explored the depths of God's nature and and his acts so I'm only 40 years old and there's things I've learned along the way and the key question of course is this has come from reading things into the text or saying actually I read this passage and notice this for the first time it's been there all along but I just haven't paid attention to it those are some of the things we're going to discuss next episode though I encourage our audience to be Bereans and always hear claims like this by comparing Scripture with Scripture which is what we should be doing and I think we'll find some fascinating clues and then confirmations and genetics of human anthropology and you already want people even in this episode that sometimes we have these ideas that we cling to and they cherished ideas and we might think they're like even a silver bullet or something but you know are they biblical it doesn't really fit with what we observe and sometimes you've got to give up some of these ideas you know models built on even on scripture models build on Scripture or a subject to change but remember that Scripture is not but sometimes we like to hold on to our models because there are pet models so people get ready you've already had your models challenged all the way through and it's going to happen again with episode 20 so thanks dr. Jensen thank you

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Published: Sat May 30 2020