The Iconic "Burp Gun" - Shooting the PPSh-41

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If anyone has played Red Orchestra or Rising Storm 2 recently you know how accurate and easy to control on full auto the PPSH-41 is and surprisingly this representation is very accurate to the real world. When V10 alpha went live I was very disappointed with how the PPSH-41 handled in game, it is completely uncontrollable in full auto and if it remains this way it might as well be removed from the game.

The PPSH was designed to fire in full auto and it being a (moderately) compact subgun its entire role should is to be fired in full auto and be very effective within 75-50 yards tops...and atm within 10 yards its useless.

If any weapon system is going to be in the game, it shouldnt be there for novelty, but to fill a role/function and it should work well. Sadly it doesnt do any of that.

👍︎︎ 70 👤︎︎ u/_Otero 📅︎︎ Dec 29 2017 🗫︎ replies

Upvoted for gun jesus

👍︎︎ 58 👤︎︎ u/gurgel03 📅︎︎ Dec 29 2017 🗫︎ replies

Little known fact: the recoil is accurate because the ppsh in game is the rare 50 cal ppsh

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/piratepengu 📅︎︎ Dec 30 2017 🗫︎ replies

I just want through drum like it had in PR

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/staggerman 📅︎︎ Dec 29 2017 🗫︎ replies

gonna be honest, the recoil on alot of weapons is just stupidly unrealistic and harsh. especialy considering the new bipods in V10 that make any deployed weapon have no recoil. wich also makes no sense?

also why has the US had all but the grip, full auto M4's removed from them in v10?

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/James_Shotgat 📅︎︎ Dec 29 2017 🗫︎ replies

That slowmo tho.

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/childofthekorn 📅︎︎ Dec 29 2017 🗫︎ replies

deleted What is this?

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Dec 29 2017 🗫︎ replies

What recoil?

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/theLV2 📅︎︎ Dec 29 2017 🗫︎ replies
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Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on ForgottenWeapons.com. I'm Ian McCollum, and I'm up here in Canada today shooting the classic, iconic Soviet PPSh-41. So yesterday we took a look at the history and the mechanics of this gun, not that there's a whole lot of mechanics going on on the inside, but today we're out here at the range and we're going to do some shooting. Now as we discussed yesterday, these use two different styles of magazines. They had a 71 round drum, which was basically copied from the Finnish Suomi KP/-31, and they also had a 35 round stick magazine. So I'm gonna be using stick magazines today because the drums are notoriously unreliable. They work OK once you get a drum in good condition, and match it to a gun that it fits with. But that's a lot of work to try and figure out. And we know that this mag works in this gun. So I have one good stick mag. I should say, the stick mags are ... more reliable, but getting them to match and fit the guns is just as much of an issue as it is with the drum magazines. So I got one to work with today that we know works. So let's get on with it. The stick mag loads the exact same way as the drum. There we go. Let's see what our absurdly high rate of fire is like. And we're out. That is, in fact, a pretty absurdly high rate of fire. And that was the reason that the PPSh was equipped with drums. Because a 30 or 35 round stick mag goes pretty darn fast. What's interesting is if you look at the German MP40 and its 32 round stick mag, and its relatively low rate of fire, 550-600 rounds per minute, compared to the PPSh-41 with its 71 round drum, double the capacity, but it's also basically double the rate of fire, you kind of have about the same amount of actual firing time, (you know, how long can you hold down the trigger), between the two guns, which is interesting. I'm gonna go reload this magazine now, and we'll do a little bit more shooting. Alright, we're reloaded. Time for some more. ... So the reason for the problems with these magazines was a wide variety and tolerancing between both the magazine wells and the magazines. So some are too tight, some are too loose, this one is just right. Alright, so what we have going on with this is a really high rate of fire obviously. But what's interesting to me is that that high rate of fire is actually really quite controllable. I think what happens is you kind of have this bell curve ... well, actually it would be a reversed bell curve. It would be a parabola of rates of fire versus controllability. And when the rate of fire is very low, something like the US M3 Grease Gun, the gun's really easy to shoot well, because ... you actually have enough time to bring the gun smoothly onto target between each round. And then you get into this centre area of 500, 600, 700 rounds per minute, probably more like 600, 700, 750 rounds per minute, where you don't have enough time to get back on each shot, and the gun is actually bouncing around quite a lot. It's putting a staccato recoil into your shoulder, too fast for you to keep up with but too slow ... it's not like a continuous hose, not a continuous pressure. Once you get back up to a high rate of fire, like this, then the pressure on your shoulder is more of a continuous push, and it's kind of like directing a high-pressure water hose, and you're able to keep the sights on target actually fairly easily. So, the MP40 was just low enough rate of fire to be quite controllable, this is a high enough rate of fire to be quite controllable. The PPS-43 is actually in this kind of middle ground where it's harder to shoot it really well. For all of its magazine reliability issues, the PPSh-41 is actually a remarkably nice gun to shoot, and you can actually stay on target with it remarkably well. I have two last rounds in there, so I'm gonna see if I can fire a single round on the trigger. I probably can't, but it's worth a try. There is a semi-auto selector on here, but that'd be cheating. Oh yeah. I didn't hit, but I was able to get one round off the trigger. Cool. Well I don't know about you, but it's been really interesting for me getting a chance to actually shoot some of these World War Two submachine guns kinda side by side. Enough to get a feel for how they differ from each other. And what comes out of that is that some of the guns have characteristics you might not expect. Like the high rate of fire on the PPSh-41 actually not really being a problem for controllability. For ammo use it definitely is, but at least you can hit stuff with all the ammo that you're using. So, hopefully you guys enjoyed the video as well. Thank you very much for watching. If you are up in Canada, stop by Marstar, check out everything they have to offer. A big thanks ... for them from me for having a chance to take out their PPSh-41. And of course, thank you to all the fine folks on Patreon who made it possible for me to travel up here.
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Length: 6min 28sec (388 seconds)
Published: Sat Dec 16 2017
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