- Hi guys, how are you today? My name is Bailey Sarian
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I would tell you anyways. If you are new here, hi. Every Monday I sit down and
I talk about true crime story that's been heavy on my
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crime or you like makeup, I would highly suggest that you subscribe. I'm here for you every Monday. And Saturday, too, I upload
on Saturdays as well. Last week, we talked about John List. Remember? (hums affirmatively) Terrible, terrible human being who didn't want to admit
that he lost his job, so he just killed his
whole family instead. All right. Fuck that guy. So today, I want to talk about Tim McClain and this Greyhound bus situation. It's pretty awful, and it's so weird. So I guess I'll just shut up
and let's get right into it. So Tim McLean was born October 3rd, 1985. He grew up outside of Winnipeg, Canada in a small town called Elie, Manitoba. And you know, it's just one
of those small towns where, growing up, you really have
to make up your own fun. That's small towns for you. You build, like, little
mud huts and stuff. Did anyone build mud huts? That's what we did. So Tim's friends would say
that he was very outgoing. He loved people. He was not shy at all. Like, if he got invited somewhere, and he didn't know anybody in the room, he would be able to go up to anybody and just make friends with them. I'm so envious of people like that. I aspire to be like that, but, you know, I'm complete opposite, I'm like, (hums) Doesn't matter. Tim loved just meeting new
people, seeing new places. So one summer, when Tim
was 22 at this time, his longtime friend since,
like, childhood hit him up and was like, "Hey, what
are you doing this summer?" And he's like, "Nothing." Well, I don't know if he said "nothing," but he was like, "Nothing." She told him, "Hey, okay,
well, pack your bag for a week. I don't know how long we're gonna be gone, but pack your bag for a week and come meet me at this place, I got a job opportunity for you." So the two of them go
to this job opportunity, and it's actually at a
carnival working as carnies. Is that the right term? I believe so. Carnivals traveled from city to city, gotta work all the
different games and stuff. It wasn't going to be a permanent job, it was just like a quick little thing, but then it turned into a long summer job for the whole summer. It seemed like a lot of fun, like, you become really close with
everybody that you work with at the carnival, and you become
like a tight-knit family, pretty much, who travels
from city to city, so you're constantly seeing new places, new cities, meeting new people constantly, so it was the perfect job for Tim because he loved traveling and
he loved meeting new people. He seemed to find a passion in it, like, he was very
passionate about this job. And honestly, at 22, that
sounds like a fun-ass job. You're traveling with a bunch of people who became now, like, your friends, you're going from city to
city, you're making money, you're seeing cool places that you probably would have never seen before, you're just having a
good time, a good summer. So it was the perfect job for him. Now at this time, I think
he had a girlfriend. I'm not really quite
sure, it was kind of hard to find a lot of information on Tim's upbringing, and
background, and stuff. He had a girlfriend, I think, or they were just, like,
hanging out, you know? So her name was Colleen and
he knew her since first grade. After high school and all that, they went their separate ways. This Colleen lady, she
ended up getting married, and then she got a
divorce, and her and Tim started hanging out
after she got a divorce, and this was in, like, 2008. So they kind of rekindled
their friendship or whatever. So not long after Colleen was pregnant, this would be her third child, so she had two from her previous marriage, and this would be Tim's. Tim was back working at the carnival, and at this time, it was at Edmonton, and the Carnival's next stop was Regina, and that's when Tim
made a crucial decision. Instead of going to Regina, he'd go home to Winnipeg
to make arrangements for his move to British Columbia. He liked it there, so
he planned on moving. Some friends offered to
buy him a plane ticket so he didn't have to take the bus, because it would be a 24-hour bus ride, but Tim insisted on
taking the Greyhound bus. Then, just after midnight on July 30th, bus 1170 began its journey,
24-hour journey, back home. Okay, so then there is
another person in this story, and his name is Vince Li. Now he was born in China. Vince was born April 30th, 1968, and then he moved to
Canada in June of 2001. He ended up going to college there, and he graduated in 2002 with
a computer programming degree. He worked in Winnipeg at
a church for six months, and he got married, and he was trying to support his wife, Anna. His old boss at this church would say that Vince seemed really nice, really happy, he seemed thankful to be having a job because he was having a
hard time finding a job, and he seemed very committed
to what he was doing, as well. Now there was a language barrier,
and his old boss would say that it was frustrating for
Vince because, you know, lack of communication or not
being able to communicate with someone is just really
frustrating in general. His old boss would say that he could tell Vince was frustrated because he just couldn't
seem to communicate clearly with his coworkers and stuff. Learning a new language
is effing hard, come on. His old boss would also say that Vince showed no signs of aggression. He didn't seem like an angry man. So then in 2005, Vince started working as a forklift operator in Winnipeg, and his wife worked as a waitress, and then Vince moved to Edmonton in 2006. He worked a lot of just random jobs. He was working at Walmart, he was working at a fast food restaurant, he worked as a newspaper delivery boy. Man. Sorry. Vince was getting more and
more frustrated over time because he had this degree
for computer programming and he was working these
random little jobs, nothing in his, you know,
what he went to college for, so he was just growing
more and more frustrated. And then later in 2005,
Vince would be diagnosed with schizophrenia, and this
would be left untreated, but him and his wife ended
up getting a divorce, and he left a note for his ex wife, Anna, saying, quote, "I'm gone. Don't look for me. I wish you were happy." End quote. There's no report on what his plan was or where he was gonna go, he just wanted to get out of there. And it seems like this
Anna lady wasn't happy, so he was just leaving. I guess according to Anna, his ex-wife, it was a complete surprise, like, it was super random that he left. He was just gone one day, and she found that letter
and it was like, "Oh. Well, I guess I'm single now." July 29th, Vince gets on a Greyhound bus and it's bound for Winnipeg. Around 6:00 PM, Vince got off of the bus in Erickson, Manitobuya. Manitoba. Manitoba. Is that- Okay. Now Vince got off this bus in Erickson, and he had three pieces
of luggage with him, and he stayed the night on a
bench next to a grocery store, but close to the bus stop, you know, because he wanted to hop onto another bus. According to one witness, they saw Vince sitting on the bench and
it was, like, 3:00 AM. I'm not sure what they were
doing at 3:00 AM, but whatever. they see Vince sitting straight up, and his eyes were, like, wide open, and they remembered this
because it was weird. I'm sure if any of us
saw that, I'd be like "Fuck that, I'm going over here." So then it's later
reported that Vince sold some of his luggage, I guess
in order to make money. We're not really clear on that. Anyways, but he sells some of his luggage, and in his luggage was,
like, his computer and stuff, and he decided, "You know what,
fuck it, I'm gonna sell it." So he sells it, makes some money, and he's waiting for the next bus to come. At this bus stop that he was at, there was only one bus that came a day, so he's waiting for that specific bus. Now finally, at 6:55 PM, a
bus pulls up to the bus stop. This is the same bus that Tim is on. Remember Tim? We just talked about him,
I really hope you remember. So the bus pulls over, people get off so they can smoke their
cigarettes or stretch their legs, and they pick up any new passengers. Vince, he hops on this bus. Now Vince was, like, a tall man, he's in his forties, he has a shaved head, he's wearing sunglasses, he seemed to just kind
of mind his own business. This is according to people on the bus. So when Vince got onto the bus, originally, he sat in
the front of the bus. Now Tim was actually
in the back of the bus, like the very, very back row. Not that that's bad or anything,
but Tim was in the back, and when you're in the back of the bus you're kind of, like,
cornered into the back. If I say back one more time. Anyways, so Vince gets on the bus, and he's in the very front. So a scheduled rest stop came up, and Tim stepped out so he
could have a cigarette, and a lot of people got off so, again, they could stretch their legs, they could get snacks at the
vending machine or whatever. Now, when Tim got back onto the bus, he goes back to his seat. That's when Vince, he
gets up from his seat and he goes to the back
of the bus and sits next to the empty seat that's next to Tim. So Tim's, like, at a window seat, right? And then Vince is sitting next to him. There's people sitting in front of him, and then behind them is a
wall, so, again, cornered. Now witnesses say it
didn't seem like Vince knew Tim at all, but Tim was friendly. When Vince came and sat next to him, Tim said, "Hello, how's it going?" 'Cause again, he was a friendly guy. So Tim puts on his
headphones, listens to music, and he kind of leans
his head on the window so he could just go to bed. On the bus, they've got
the little TVs going and they have "The
Return of Zorro" playing, some passengers are
sleeping, some are reading. So suddenly, out of nowhere,
the passengers just hear a blood-curdling scream,
wakes everybody up. And it was coming from
the back of the bus. So according to witnesses,
it was about 8:30 PM, and Tim was sleeping
with his headphones on when suddenly, the man next to him just pulled out a large knife from his backpack and he just began to stab Tim. And he was stabbing Tim in
the neck and in the chest, just going to town on this poor kid. Now again, witnesses would say
that Tim tried to fight back. He was trying his hardest
to get Vince off of him. Then it said that Tim
was either thrown onto the floor of the bus, or he
fell onto the floor of the bus. Tim's seat, again, was
towards the back of the bus, so the seats in front of him made it really difficult to escape
because he's cornered. Like, the killer is right here, right? And then you got people in front of you and a window right here. Where are you supposed to go? Now the bus driver, his name was Bruce, he is yelling at Vince to stop, to stop. I mean, what can you do? You're driving. "Stop that!" You know? He pulls over to the side of the road. Quickly, all the passengers
get off of the bus. Bruce the bus driver stays behind and he's yelling at Vince to stop, "Please stop, please stop," trying to reason with Vince. And Bruce says that's when
Vince was holding the knife and walking towards Bruce. And Bruce is like, "Fuck that," so he gets off the bus,
he closes the door, and he barricades it, locks it, makes sure that Vince cannot escape, sadly just leaving Vince and Tim inside. Now they didn't know at that time, like, if Tim was still alive,
"Should we get him? Like, should we try and save him? What should we do?" Everyone's just panicking. So a bus driver was driving in the area, and he sees the bus pulled over, and he sees a bunch of people, and they all look like
they're in distress. So this bus driver named Chris, he pulls over and asks what's going on. He actually helps barricade the bus door because Vince was trying to escape, and he's there just making sure
that Vince does not get out. Oh, and by the way,
when the bus was exited or when they pulled over, the
police were called and stuff, so they're just kind of
waiting for police to show up. Vince inside with Tim's body, he turns back and goes back to Tim, and he just continues
to stab and attack him. You know, it's a Greyhound bus, so there's a bunch of windows and stuff, and everybody standing on the outside, all the passengers and whatnot,
they could see into the bus, so they could see Vince
and what he was doing. So they're just, like, watching. Ugh, I couldn't imagine. So then another Greyhound bus
that was on the same route, and it was carrying passenger,
like their overload, so they see the Greyhound
bus is pulled over, and so they pull over. The driver of that bus,
his name is Bernie, and so Bernie was like,
"Okay, I'm gonna try and go on the bus and see
if Tim is still alive. Can I help him? Maybe I can do something." So Bernie decides to go into the bus and he's asking Vince to stop. He's asking him why, like,
"Why are you doing this?" But Vince simply responded with, quote, "Get emergency," end quote, while continuing to stab Tim. Now, Bernie would say
that he's on this bus and he's yelling at Vince to stop, right? Now the whole time he's
yelling at Vince to stop, he had this crazy look
in his eyes and he's just staring at Bernie, like,
"Fucking kill you," and Bernie was just like, "Oh shit, no." And Bernie said that he didn't really look at Tim at that moment because, you know when you see something maybe bad happening over there, and if you just don't look at it, then it's, like, not real? Or you're trying not to look at it 'cause you just don't
want to acknowledge it, so you're just not looking at it? Anyway, what he was saying
is he didn't look at Tim yet 'cause he just didn't want to lose it! And then Bernie says he
finally just looks at Tim, and he sees Tim's body,
and Vince was cutting deep into Tim's body and just taking out pieces of his flesh. And then Bernie realized that Vince was cutting deep into Tim's neck and he was beheading Tim. I think at that moment, you know, Bernie exited the bus because he realized that there was really
nothing they could do at that point to save Tim. He was, sadly, dead. So Bernie got off the bus and they barricaded the door again. Bernie then suggested to the bus driver, "It would be best if we
cut the power on the bus so Vince wouldn't be able to start up the bus and drive away." So Bernie engaged the
emergency immobilizer system, which makes the bus inoperable
so he can't take off. Again, at this point,
they're still waiting for authorities to show up. So then they see Vince inside the bus, and they see him walking around, and he goes to the front of the bus, and he's trying to start the
bus up so he could take off, and then once Vince realizes
that he's kind of stuck, he starts to get really, really agitated, he's growing very frustrated. So Vince goes to the door of the bus, and he's trying to stab and
cut his way out of the door. Everybody, well, not everybody, but the bus driver and
Chris the truck driver, they're all trying to make sure that Vince does not get out of this door. So at this point, Vince accepts the fact that he is trapped inside this bus. So they see him kind of
give up on this door idea and he just goes back
to what he was doing. So he went back and he continued to stab and mutilate Tim's body. Finally, at 9:00 PM, emergency officials arrived at the scene. Corporal Harder, tried to talk to Vince down from the outside of the bus and he's pleading with him to
drop the knife, to come out, to throw the knife out of
the small window of the bus. And then they ended up bringing in special negotiators and a
heavily armed tactical unit. They're trying to negotiate with Vince, they're trying to get
him to turn himself over. It's said that Vince's, his
responses were very chaotic. They didn't make any sense. The one thing that they did
make out was Vince loudly said, "I'm going to stay on this bus forever," which is, like, okay. So again, all the passengers and stuff are standing on the side of the road and you can see inside of the bus, they could see what Vince was doing, And then they're just
watching Vince in there just doing weird shit. They could see him mutilating Tim's body with scissors and a buck knife. Vince would pull certain body parts and organs out of Tim's body. Again, they're watching. They could see. I think, just, Vince wanted
to put on a show or something. I don't know, man. But Vince pulls a body part out, and then he, like, smells it. Everybody's watching, he smells it, (sniffs loudly) And then he puts it in his mouth and begins to eat it. There were also reports
that Vince, he was, like, licking the blood off
of his hands and arms, and then he would just walk
up and down the bus aisle, just carrying various
organs and body parts, and he was showing them
off to the witnesses before stuffing them into garbage bags. Like the small, you know,
shopping garbage bags. Vince then decides to pick up Tim's head and he's carrying it back and forth, letting everyone see it. A lot of the witnesses were saying it's one of those things
where it's horrific, right? But you also can't stop looking. Around 9:30 or 10:00 PM,
the stranded passengers finally were taken and
they were transported to be interviewed at Brandon RCMP Detachment, which I think means police department. You know, I do a lot of
researching for these stories, but I always forget to
Google the small stuff that I don't know, like RCMP. What is that? I should have Googled that. The passengers are taken to be questioned, and hear all their stories and whatnot, trying to understand the
situation and what happened, July 31st, 2008 at 1:20 AM. This is hours after the initial attack. Vince broke one of the back
windows open on the bus and he threw out some
belongings, along with the knife and the scissors
that he was using. Vince then decided to
jump out of the window and he wasn't necessarily
turning himself in, he was gonna try and run for it. Great plan, Vince. But that didn't work out. He jumps out the windows, and then that's when Vince
is trying to resist arrest, he's trying to get away, and of course, police use their little taser (imitates taser) and they control the situation. The police were able to go onto the bus and they just see a horrific scene. They see that there are
trash bags everywhere, and inside these trash bags
were parts of Tim's body. What he was doing with them- Oh! Ow! Do not talk and do mascara. Jeez. So they go up to Tim's
body and they see that his ear, his nose, his tongue, they were all missing from Tim's face, so they're like, "What the fuck is up?" They search Vince and
they find in his pockets were Tim's ears, nose, and tongue. Don't know what he was gonna do with that. And then, sadly, Tim's
eyes and part of his heart, they were never found or recovered, and they are assumed that Vince ate them. So then at 10:00 AM,
Greyhound representatives took other passengers to
Walmart, I think it is, or it was a small store,
I kind of saw both. But they took some of the
passengers to the store to replace the clothing
that they were wearing because they had blood on
their shirts and whatnot. They let them get some items to replace the bloody clothes, and then they sent the passengers on another bus to head back to Winnipeg so they could go home. Vince, his trial was on March 3rd, 2009. Vince was pleading not
criminally responsible. Now this means... Hold on. Not criminally responsible, so this means that he accepted the offense occurred, he's like, "Yeah, that shit happened, but I wasn't fully there, mentally. So technically it wasn't me." So Vince would go on to say
that he got on the bus, right? And he sat in the front,
and then there were voices in his head that were
telling him he was in danger. Vince said, he sat next to Tim, Tim smiled at him and
asked how he was doing, and Vince said he heard the
voice of God telling him that he had to kill Tim or
he would die immediately. This is the part that
pisses off a lot of people. It pissed me off, too, okay? So Vince was charged with
second-degree murder, but ended up being found
not criminally responsible because he was diagnosed
with schizophrenia and he failed to take his medications. So Vince was required to be
held at a mental hospital, get the help that he needs, and then after a few years, he ended up being fully discharged. Fully discharged. And this caused a lot of
debate for obvious reasons. Some people, I want to
say like 90% of people, believe that Vince should
have been held accountable for the murder due to its brutality. And then others believe
that he should be forgiven due to his mental illness. So really quick, like
my own personal opinion. We talked about another
case in Canada, remember? What was her name? I'm drawing a blank. Rawr. That girl. And because she was young,
she was 12 years old, and she was arrested,
and then she was let go, where I totally support the idea that if you are suffering
from a mental illness and you commit a crime, that yeah, I like the idea that
you get help versus just being locked up and the keys
just thrown away, right? Like out here in America, you
just get locked up forever, and then you're in the system forever because you can't ever get out. Hot mess. And in Canada, it seems
like they're always trying to help the people. They're not just trying
to lock them up forever, they're trying to truly help people. But, I feel like in some
cases, like with this one, it's not like he stabbed him
one time and it was, like, not that stabbing him
one time would be better, but Vince full-on chopped
this guy's head off and was carrying it around like... You know, like, no! It should be case-by-case, I don't quite understand why they- Yeah, (hums in disapproval) no. And then in February of 2016, Vince ended up legally changing
his name to Will Baker, and he left his group home
and is living independently. People who work closely
with Vince, they say that he feels great remorse
and that he'll be fine as long as he's getting
the help that he needs. And there wasn't just one victim. All of the passengers on that bus have suffered in some kind of way. Sadly, this awful murder
had lasting effects on those who were witness. One of the passengers who gave birth a couple of years later,
she suffered from PTSD that occurred from witnessing the attack. This affected her ability
to raise her child, who had been taken from her
and placed in foster care for 18 months before
being returned to her. Another, the truck driver, Chris, he is the one who's
tried to stop and help. He also came forward and
said he struggled from PTSD from what he witnessed. He says he became an
alcoholic after the event because he couldn't sleep at
night from all the nightmares. There was another witness
who actually tried to file a lawsuit against
Greyhound, the police, and Vince, and it was later dropped,
but she goes on to say it's unfair because officials
were so lenient with Vince and his mental illness trying
to help Vince to get better, but nobody has offered help for the people that suffer from PTSD and suffer daily. Where's their help? And for that, Vince
shouldn't be out, because where's their help? Get them help! The list goes on. Almost every single passenger on that bus has suffered from PTSD in some way, whether they were able to get help or not, Greyhound has never offered
any type of help for them. The only type of help they
did offer was compensation for the reimbursement
of clothing or any items that may have gotten stained with blood. But other than that, that was about it. So on December 21st,
2008, this is five months after the murder, Tim's
girlfriend Colleen, remember Colleen? She was pregnant with Tim's son. She ends up giving birth. Sadly, there was a messy custody battle between Tim's family and
Colleen that started in 2009. I'm not sure exactly what the case was, why they felt like she
was unfit, but regardless, in 2016, Tim's mother and her husband were granted full
guardianship of Tim's son. According to global news,
Vince was most recently in a secondary training program in hopes to enter the career fields. So that is the tragic
story about Tim McLean. He just got to walk free. The fuck kind of horseshit is that? He wasn't getting help, and he needs help, and he should get that in prison, but he needs to be in prison, and he needs to be held
accountable for what he did. He took a life. Whether you were there mentally
or not, you still did it. He still did it. And it's truly unfortunate
because all of the victims on that bus, Tim's family,
they are carrying this heavy thing that happened to them, and knowing that the
person responsible for this is out there living their
life, changed their name, trying to get a career, fucked up. I'm not sure in Canada, how the law works. Can somebody be retried for a case? Is that something that can happen? I'm not sure. But if it's possible, I really hope justice can happen for Tim's family and for all of the
victims who were affected. I would love to hear your
guys' thoughts down below. Do you believe Vince should be in prison? But if you don't, I would
love to hear as well. I guess, yeah, that's about it. Thank you so much for
hanging out with me today. I hope that you have a wonderful day. Be safe out there, okay? Rest in peace to Tim McLean, and I really hope his
family and all the victims can get some kind of peace and healing. Let me know who you would like
me to talk about next week. But other than that, I hope
you have a wonderful day today, you make good choices, and
I'll be seeing you guys later. Bye!
