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little fan I have, okay? So I feel like the last couple of weeks have been really intense, right? I've just been talking about some really crazy stuff going on. Today is still bad,
people are still dying, but it's not as bad as the other ones? Okay, so a lot of you who have
been watching probably know, normally I start off the video talking about the said-to-be
killer's background and where they came from, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, right? So today, there's just
so much to this story. I thought, I'm just gonna jump into it and hopefully this doesn't
come out confusing. I'm gonna try my best. I'm trying something
different, I gotta learn. March 14th, 1998, Los Angeles
police receive a 911 call about a body being found, okay? Oh, she's jumping right into it. Now, there was a homeless
person who was out in an alley, digging through the dumpster, looking for food or something sad. And unfortunately, he came across a body. So the police department comes out and they see a white male, he's wrapped in a garbage bag, and
he's inside the dumpster. There was no identification on his body, so they had no idea who this guy was. He had no shoes on, but the
bottom of his feet were clean, which indicated that this was a body dump and the murder had taken
place somewhere else. That's what the police had determined. Police examined the victim and they saw that it was a close shot
to the back of his head that killed him, there's a
gunshot in the back of his head. They send the body to the coroner's office for an autopsy and while there, they're able to ID the
victim as David Kazdin. So then, police go down
to the victim's home. David Kazdin's children, they
had already been notified. They were waiting for the
police at David's house. David Kazdin's daughter had noticed that their father's car
was missing from the garage and they also noticed some damage that was on this stone wall, just
outside the driveway. So investigators go and they check it out, and they see that there's
blue paint on the wall and it's the same color of his car. So that is indicating that
somebody left in a hurry. But there's no other
evidence of foul play. So investigators had asked, "Does your father have any enemies? Anyone that would wanna hurt him?" And his children, who are
grown adults by the way, but they are quick to say, "Hell yeah, 65 year old Sante Kimes." Oh, and her 23 year old son, Kenny. David Kazdin's kids presented
the police with a letter that he had written to
Sante several days prior. Now in this letter, he said
that he didn't wanna cooperate with the crimes in a
particular loan fraud scheme. Now David Kazdin's daughter
doesn't know the specifics of this scheme, but she recalls
a strange conversation she had with her father just days
before he had disappeared. See, his daughter was over at his house and there was this car,
and it was just parked out in front of her father's house, and her father was super suspish of it. And he, David Kazdin,
he told his daughter, "If you ever see that
car, don't go outside." I don't know why, but
David Kazdin's daughter didn't push further for answers. She was just kinda like, "Oh, okay." I would've been asking
a shit ton of questions. What're you talking about, who was that? Should I go talk to
them, what should I say? Okay, so who is this Sante and Kenny Kimes that David Kazdin's
daughter had mentioned? Well, David Kazdin, take a
shot every time I say it, I guess, he had known
Sante and Kenny Kimes and their family for many, many years. David had been friends with millionaire, Ken Kimes Sr. since 1974. Then, David had worked on an
insurance claim for the family when Ken Kimes Sr. passed away. David had been threatened
by Sante and Kenny recently. The threats were coming in via telephone, personal appearances and letters, saying that David needed to watch out and go along with their plans, or else. Anyway, so detectives
check into the background of Sante Kimes and her son,
Kenny Jr. and they soon find out that one of them has a
pretty lengthy rap sheet. Miss Sante over here had been quite busy. Sante had served time for
involuntary servitude, or slavery, this being the most recent case. She had also been incarcerated
for theft and fraud. She had a pattern of luring Mexican and Latin American immigrants
to come work for her as a maid with promises of good
treatment, travels, and a job. But for the most part,
she just completely lied to these people about everything. Though when Sante walked into a room, she got attention from
everybody, men and women, okay? And I'll tell you why,
because she had a resemblance, spot-on resemblance, to Elizabeth Taylor and she played that up. Friends would say that Sante would say that yeah, she was Elizabeth Taylor. 'Cause people would recognize her and think she was Elizabeth Taylor. Sante would just play that up and be like, "Yeah, I am Elizabeth Taylor, darling," or whatever she would do, and
she would just get free shit. But Sante also had charisma
to go with the looks, which she felt like
gave her power over men. So police were surprised by her history, but the slavery charges is
what concerned them the most because of her violent
treatment towards her maids. But okay, Sante had maids at one point. She would make them clean
already clean floors. They were not allowed to
leave or talk to anybody. She would walk them into the house. They would just weren't allowed to do anything without her permission. On several occasions, she
actually beat the crap out of some of her maids as well. One of her maids clean something wrong or she just didn't listen to her. Sante took the iron
and burned her with it. Another maid said that she
had beat her with, (chuckles) I'm not laughing, coat hangers when she didn't clean correctly. I was kind of giggling
because I was thinking of "Mommie Dearest," no more wire hangers! You know that, right, let's hope. A lot of you guys are kind
of young, watching this. "Mommie Dearest," look it up. On top of all of that, the maids, they didn't even receive
pay for their work. And because they were illegal immigrants, Sante completely took advantage of them. So then in 1970, Sante meets real estate
millionaire, Ken Kimes. You see, Sante was
reading a local magazine and she came across this
article about Ken Kimes and how rich he was, how he
recently went through a divorce. So then Sante does her homework, okay? She does her homework on Ken. She finds out that he's
worth millions of dollars and he's recently divorced,
and she's thinking, "Oh yeah, baby, jackpot." She was determined to make Ken hers. I mean, she was just
writing to live the life of a wealthy millionaire
because she thought she deserved that. So Sante did more homework
on Ken and she realized, well she found out what he liked and tailored herself to fit that image. For example, Ken's favorite
color was white, exciting. So then Sante decided to
wear white all the time. Ken loved the smell of gardenias, so that became her signature perfume. She wasn't wealthy at this point like Ken, so she made sure to dress in a way that exuded wealth,
status, highbrow, mon-ay. And it was all just designed
to help get what she wanted. Sante was constantly throwing herself at him, and eventually it stuck. Took some time, but it worked. The two began to hang out and to date, and they had fun together. Sante had provided some
excitement to his life. It was kind of boring and bleak. And it wasn't long before
Ken Sr. becomes aware of Sante's criminal
behavior, and he allowed her to carry on with her maids. Let's see, when she moved in with Ken, this millionaire, that's
when she really started to get these maids because
they could afford it. Now, it said that Ken, it
said that he was seduced into the situation, Sante was the boss. She called the shots, Ken
just went along with it, he had nothing to do with these
maids, but I mean, come on. So then five years
later, Sante gives birth to Kenny Jr. in 1975, so this is the son of Ken Kimes Sr., the millionaire, right? Kenny was treated as the
prince of the households. He could do no wrong, this
baby was everything to her. I personally think it's because this baby was guaranteed money for Sante, being the son of a very wealthy man. Ken Kimes, the millionaire,
he told friends and even Sante that he
didn't wanna marry her. He knew that she was after his money and all of his money was going to his children from
the previous marriage. So was like, "Well shit,
I will just get pregnant and trap his ass," that's my assumption. A few years later, the Kimes family, they moved to Las Vegas. I mean, right off the bat,
Sante is transforming Kenny, her baby, into her accomplice. Sante would take him shopping
with her in a stroller. She would have her baby in a stroller and (chuckles) it's not
funny, it's really sad that she was using her baby to help her. But her kid is just
sitting in the stroller, excited to be alive. She would stuff items into the stroller. She would even stuff
items underneath the baby to hide 'em and steal it. She controlled who he could
see, when they can see them. Kenny was also tutored at home. Sante didn't want him to have any friends or contact with people
without her approval. Kenny, he did get a chance to break away from his mother's tight grip when Sante finally received jail time for slavery. Apparently, one of the maids had escaped out of the house and
called 911. (chuckles) It's not funny, but just
the whole thing is crazy, like what is happening? But luckily, one of the maids escapes and calls 911 and gets out of that abuse. Kenny would say he saw the detectives come and arrest his mother, and said it was just devastating for him. But Sante was taken away to go to prison, and that's when Kenny actually had a shot to live a normal life away from his mom. So Sante only got a
five-year prison sentence and they determined that her boyfriend, Ken Sr., he wasn't involved in any way. So she goes away and
then while she's away, Kenny and his father, they actually grew really close together. Ken Sr., he retired, so he was home to really take care of
Kenny and he enrolled him into a private, elite
Catholic school in Las Vegas. And Kenny was able to go
to school and make friends and just be quote, unquote
normal, even though he's going to an elite private
school, but yeah, normal. Kenny's father also admitted
that he spoiled Kenny during this time and he
was trying to buy his love. But that didn't last long. Sante was released from
prison in December of 1989. And she had only served three years of the five years that she was sentenced, and the old patterns of
control emerge again. So in the fall of 1993,
Kenny enrolls into college. He seems to be doing well,
kind of away from his mother. But then in 1993, Ken Sr. dies
suddenly from an aneurysm. Now, when this happened,
Sante was really worried because she didn't have
her name on anything, not one deed, not one checkbook.
or even a credit card. Here's this wife of a
multimillionaire who has no access to any of the money, or
his money, whatsoever. Ken Sr.'s will, it was
said that everything was to go to his children from
his previous marriage, but did not include Kenny
Jr. or Sante at all. Just fucked up. I think maybe he just
forgot to update it, but. So Sante, she calls Kenny,
her son who's at college now. And she just is telling
him how worried she is. She doesn't have any money,
what is she gonna do? And really just dumps all
of her stress onto him. So then Kenny, he ends
up just dropping out of college and he returns home to live with Sante, help take care of her. So Kenny begins taking part in more of his mother's schemes as she tries to liquidate the assets of
her now past lover's estate. So back to Los Angeles,
investigators are suspish of Sante and Kenny Kimes, but
they need to find a motive. 'Cause remember the death we
talked about in the beginning? They think it's Sante and
Kenny Kimes, right? (chuckles) I'm wondering if how I'm
setting this up is confusing. We're already here. Police piece together the
details of the loan fraud scheme. Sante took a $280,000 loan out on her house in David Kazdin's name. David received a loan book in
the mail from this bank saying that he now owed a certain
amount of money every month for a loan that he had
taken out on that house. So when David got this in the mail, he's like, "What the fuck?" David tells the bank that
the mortgage is not his, and then the bank freezes the account. Police discover the money
had been transferred to an account belonging to Sante. So then, Sante somehow figures out that somebody has gotten onto her. She calls and threatens David Kazdin to go along with the loan fraud, or else. So police, at this point now are like, "Okay, we have a motive
for David Kazdin's murder." So they go out to the Los Vegas house, the one that the loan was taken out, and they find it is the subject
of an arson investigation. You see the house, it was
set on fire and burned down. Sante and Kenny, at that point, were long gone and had
moved somewhere new. So police went to
interview the notary public that had forged David Kazdin's
name on the loan documents. Now, this person had been told by Sante that she had the power of attorney to sign David Kazdin's name to the loan documents,
which in fact was not true. This person also goes on to tell them that she notarized a new
deed for the same house with the name Robert McCarren. So police go looking for this Robert guy and they're having a really
hard time finding him. They believe that Robert
was a possible victim of kidnapping, so police
find this 911 call that Robert had made after escaping from Sante and Kenny's home. Remember how I said that
the one of the maids had escaped from the house and called 911? Well, that was Robert. They were able to locate Robert McCarren at a homeless shelter, so
Robert tells investigators that Sante hired him as a house man. What do you call a man maid? Maid, so Robert tells investigators Sante also hired a man named Sean
to be the family chauffeur. Sean was told by Sante to
watch Robert, the house help, and to keep control of him
and was told to assault Robert when he wasn't doing what
Sante instructed him to do. So this chauffer guy
was in charge of Robert and making sure that he
was following the rules, and would beat him and stuff, hold on. Detectives then look for this
guy, Sean, the chauffeur. Sean, he admits he sold
Kenny a 22 caliber handgun and the 22 caliber that
Kenny had purchased matched from David Kazdin's body. So he agrees to let
police know if he hears from Sante and Kenny
again, but other than that, he really had nothing else for them. Police soon learned through
questioning witnesses that the two were now in Florida. They had made their way
all the way to Florida. They ended up in Florida because Sante and Kenny were making their way to the Bahamas, where
Ken Sr., his money was. Apparently, he had an offshore
account in the Bahamas where he stored a lot of money and Sante wanted her hands on that. But before LA police
could get out to Florida, Sante and Kenny are on the move again. They both realize that there
are much bigger targets in New York City and there is
a lot more money over there. For example, Irene Silverman
who was 82 years old. Irene was a New York socialite. Sante and Kenny found
out that Irene Silverman had a multimillion dollar
mansion on the Upper East Side. She had rented out rooms, partly for money and partly for company. So Irene, her extremely wealthy
husband had passed away. And again, it was put in a magazine and that's how Sante found out. We gotta stop doing that. She found out that this
Irene lady, she had took on all of her husband's
wealth, she was just loaded. And then on June 14th,
1998, Sante and Kenny, they arrive in New York. Kenny goes straight to the townhouse and he shows up there with a reference and $6,000 cash for
the first month's rent. Irene, she did ask Kenny for an ID and to get a credit application,
but Kenny kept reassuring her that he was gonna get it
to her ASAP, like tomorrow. Yeah, I'm gonna get that to you. So Kenny then moves
into the apartment, 1B. He does this under the name, Manny Guerin. A few days later, Eva, his
assistant, moves in as well. And this Eva assistant was
actually his mom, Sante. They wanted to get rid of
Irene, steal her identity, and then be able to take
over Irene's finances, so they could be rich, wealthy,
and just live their life. That was the plan, but
Irene, she's suspish. You see, she goes back and
she asked Kenny, AKA, Manny, can you complete this credit application? And every time she asks, he says, "Oh yeah, I'm gonna get it
to you tomorrow, tomorrow." And then Irene also notices
that whenever Kenny's walking in the hallway or leaving his apartment, he's avoiding the security cameras. He was always trying to
stay close to the walls and he avoided showing his
face on the cameras too. Irene then confides in friends
about the strange new tenants in 1B, then she decides
to evict them on July 5th. So then back in Los Angeles,
Stan, so he contacts police. Says that he received a
call from Sante in New York and that she wanted him to come out there so he could manage an apartment building that she was getting. Sante suggested that he brings his toys. She meant to bring his collection of guns. So police decide to use Stan, okay, and they arrange a sting
operation for Stan to fly to New York, meet with Sante
and Kenny, at which point, police were gonna grab the two
and take them into custody. Once New York police have them in custody, they're gonna fly them
back to LA for questioning. So Stan plans to meet
Kenny and Sante at a hotel, so New York police set up
surveillance at the hotel. Around 5 p.m., Sante and Kenny show up. Police, they waited
for the perfect moment, and then they moved in for their arrest. Now, at that same time across
town, the New York police are called to the house
of Irene Silverman. Now, Irene was missing. Irene hadn't taken a step outside
of her Manhattan townhouse by herself in 15 years,
so when she was missing that day, it raised alarms immediately. Her rental agent called
the police that day and the workers quickly
suggested to police that they look into the tenant of 1B. Detectives wanna talk to
this mysterious Manny Guerin, but they are completely
unaware that the Manny guy was really Kenny, who just
got arrested across town. So the next day, Irene
Silverman's disappearance hits the papers and eye witnesses are able to give the police a
description of the tenant that was living in 1B, and
then a sketch is made up. They release the sketch of
Manny and they put it out there. One of the federal agents who
had arrested Kenny and Sante, he realized the sketch of this Manny guy looks exactly like that guy, Kenny. It look just like him. This point, New York police
questions Sante and Kenny. They deny any knowledge
of Irene Silverman. Don't know her, never lived there, who? So the next day, police, they
locate Sante and Kenny's car and inside there, they
find a 45 caliber gun. There was a large, black
nylon bag found in the trunk. They also find a date
rape drug, a stun gun, a nine millimeter Glock, $22,000 in cash, forged social security
cards, and a forged document giving them power of attorney
in Irene Silverman's name A lot of forging going on. They also found a set
of 13 spiral notebooks. Sante kept the spiral notebooks and had pages and pages of notes. One entry said, quote, "Get
social security number. Elderly people easy targets," end quote. The notebooks also contained
information relating to the David Kazdin murder. The most significant
pages in Sante's notebook were the entries that stated "Kill DK." Who could DK be? David Kazdin. A few weeks later, LAPD detectives arrive in New York, hoping to get a confession for the murder of Mr. Kazdin,
but their case is week. They have a motive, but no
witnesses and no weapon. David Kazdin was shot with a
22 caliber handgun, but none of the guns found in their
car matched the murder weapon. So police then locate
Sean, talk to him again because his name was mentioned again and again in Sante's notebooks. Sean then goes on to say
that early one morning, Kenny came and picked Sean up. They drove out to David Kazdin's house. Sean didn't know who David Kazdin was, but Kenny told Sean just to wait outside. So Sean is just waiting
there and he hears a pop, like a loud pop, like a gunshot. Kenny comes outside and tells
Sean to come into the house, and when Sean walks into the house, he sees David Kazdin lying
on the kitchen floor. Kenny told Sean to go out to the driveway and to back in David
Kazdin's car into the garage, and they could load David's
body into the trunk. Kenny loads the body and they put him in the back of David Kazdin's
own vehicle, and then left. Kenny and Sean leave David's
body and car near the airport. They throw the gun down the sewer, and then they make one last stop. They drove to a floral
shop on the way home and they purchased a bouquet
of flowers for Kenny's mom. So now, police investigators
have this new information. The detectives, they
drive back to David's home and they conduct a luminol test. So they do this luminol test and they see that there was evidence
of blood in the kitchen, proving that Sean story
has credibility, awesome. So finally, the LA prosecutors have a case with Sean as their star witness. So on December 16th,
1998, Sante and Kenny are in New York and they are
facing 84 separate charges, including the second degree
murder of Irene Silverman. The New York murder
case was kind of rough. There was no body,
there was no confession, and there was no DNA, and
both had pled not guilty. It was all circumstantial evidence. They did have 125 witnesses, but they knew without a body, it was
gonna be hard to prove. And finally, on May 18th of 2000, Sante and Kenny are found
guilty on all counts. How they did it, I don't
know, but they did. I think it was the 125 witnesses that really sealed the deal. Together, they're sentenced
to nearly 250 years in prison and Sante, she launched
this media campaign to try to convince the
press that she was innocent. She claimed that the evidence was planted and that the police had framed her. Now, you can watch clips of
her having these meltdowns. "I didn't do it! How could the police do this to me? I feel bad for the American people." You kinda wanna believe her, you're like, "Yeah lady, yeah," she's a great actress. She should have been an actress. Back in California,
officials announced plans to have the both of them to stand trial for the murder of David Kazdin. So in the meantime, before
that in October of 2000, Kenny was doing an
interview with Court TV. Now in this interview,
Kenny had just snapped. He rushed the reporter,
he held her hostage. Kenny was able to grab a ballpoint pen and pressed it to her throat. He demanded that his mother
not be sent to California, where the two were going
to face the death penalty. So he's holding this lady hostage for four hours, four hours of negotiation. Kenny finally removed the pen
from the reporter's throat. Negotiators had created
some kind of distraction and wrestle Kenny to the ground. I mean, he was already found guilty. He probably was like, "Fuck it." Finally, in 2004, the
trial begins for the murder of David Kazdin and suddenly,
prosecutors are blindsided because their star
witness, Sean, remember? The one who was like, "Yeah, I was there." He disappears, he just vanishes. Sean was their main witness,
people are just panicking. But luckily, luckily a few days later, Kenny decides to talk. Kenny agrees to testify
against his mother, only if neither of them will
receive the death penalty. So over the course of three days, Kenny confesses to the murders and tells detectives that David was going to report them and Sante wanted him dead. He described in detail
how he and his mother, Sante had lied and stayed in
the building owned by Irene. And they're like, "Oh shit, finally, we're gonna hear what happened to Irene." They would stay in his
apartment, 1B, right? And they could see
everything that was going on from like the little
peephole on their door, and they were waiting for the
perfect time to attack Irene. So they would just watch
her through the peephole. They see Irene walking
down the hallway alone. They're like, "This is the perfect time." Kenny opened the door, Sante
used a stun gun on poor Irene and Kenny, with his bare hands,
strangled Irene to death. He and Sante then placed
her in a large duffel bag, then put her in their vehicle and transported her several miles away, dumped her body in a dumpster
behind a gas station. Kenny testifies against his mother, he pleads guilty is sentenced to life. Sante, she represents herself
and pleads not guilty. She stood by that. She claimed that the
cops threatened her son with the death penalty and forced him to make a false confession,
and that her trial was just like the Salem witch trials. And she claimed that the
prosecutors were guilty for murdering the constitution. I'm serious, you gotta see her theatrics. "Murdering the constitution
of the American people!" She's very dramatic. The judge then ordered Sante
not to speak. (chuckles) He's like, "You're done talking." He also tells her she's not
allowed to speak to the media, because she was calling the media people all the goddamn time. The judge felt that Sante was attempting to influence the jury,
as they may have seen or heard interviews she
was giving out, smart. Anyways, in the end, Sante is convicted of first degree murder in the case of David Kazdin on July 7th of 2004. She was sentenced to life in prison at the correctional facility in New York. To this day, they still
have not found Irene's body, which is awful. And Kenny, also sentenced to life in prison and is currently incarcerated at a correctional facility in California. Sante, she ended up dying of
natural causes in May of 2014. Some believe that Kenny should have gotten a lighter sentence. They think that his
life would have followed a different path, it
hadn't been for his mother, her controlling ways,
only did these things because his mother brainwashed him and convinced him to go
along with her crimes. Sante had never confessed
to any of the crimes, even to the day she died, which is like, lady, just give it up at
that point, just give it up. Naturally, Hollywood was like, "Yes, we need to make this into a movie." 2001, a made for TV movie
called "Like Mother, Like Son," it starred Mary Tyler Moore as Sante. It was pretty successful movie. And then another movie
in 2006 about the case, it was called "A Little
Thing Called Murder" and that was a lifetime movie. So you know that was cheesy and good. And then in 2009, they even had their own feature on "Dateline." So that is the story of
Sante and Kenny Kimes. They called them the
mother-daughter Bonnie and Clyde. I hope that wasn't too
confusing. (chuckles) It seems like Sante, she
just wanted to be rich, and she went after that goal in her life. And I just wanna let you guys know that you just need to set
better goals for yourself. If you wanna be rich, that's
great, that's awesome. But maybe earn it, not kill people for it and steal their money,
that's my advice for you. Let me know what you guys
think of this case down below. Do you think Kenny should
get an easier sentence? Also, a big thank you to Dollar Shave Club for partnering with me on today's video. But other than that, I hope
you have a wonderful day today. You make good choices and I
will see you guys later, bye!
