The Brave Beauty and the Freedom Advocate, Cafe Locked Out

[Music] [Music] and uh good evening welcome to my co-host damian and the golden guardian who's back with us and uh and tonight we have a very special guest i'll get our first on i'll get burhan who's been with us so it's all the blokes tonight and uh burhan is now iraqi kurd and uh and we'll talk to him a sec but first here's our very special guest hi guys and najma ali is a um from somalian parents born in egypt and is been australian for about 20 years and um and let's start with you najma why don't you introduce yourself tell us something about yourself and we'll kick start it from there uh well first and foremost thank you so much michael for having me here tonight pleasure um it's honestly the best thing that i could ever do in this kind of times that we're in i felt like that i needed to speak about something that's very important my name is najma as michael said i was born in egypt both parents of somalia came into australia in 1999. i lived here for almost 22 years now [Music] i was missing australia globe 2017. i went represented australia in china and i do poetry i'm writing a book it's called mirror what else did you want to know michael oh you're just a mother and you're very you're very concerned about uh uh basically the discussion we had as you're very concerned about what's happening yeah exactly like um i was pregnant in covet delivered in coverage and living through covert my son is 11 months old and i absolutely cannot believe the world that i have brought him into saddening me to be honest um [Music] i can't do things that i wanted to do with him like take him to the play center i teach him swimming you know do the little things that i imagined when i become a mother that i could do and it saddens me deeply can you before we move on to burhan do you want to say something to your people in the in language egyptian or somali whichever it is uh just to welcome them to the show yeah hi everybody so the weather inshallah [Music] um i believed you won mr curd in uh in your past as uh now for those who you came on very early in the show could you just introduce yourself a little bit and tell it tell us about yourself and and do the same thing in language kurdish whatever it does introdu do an introduction also to your to your people sure sure sure michael thank you thank you for having me here my name is borhan zangana i'm originally kurdish from northern iraq i came to australia 20 i came to australia in 1995 you do the math so i came as a refugee i was stateless before that i was a freedom fighter as a young man against saddam hussein's ruling at that time because we counted them as a dictator until the americans came and they showed us what the real dictator means um yeah so um yeah i've been in australia for a long time more than half of my life i've been here a beautiful country we've seen freedom for a long time but now we see our freedoms taken away in front of our eyes and we don't i don't want that to happen to especially for my children i want my children to live the life which i better than what i live you know not to be pushed to the corner not to be push against the wall to do either you do that or you don't have that you know that's not freedom that's not that's not australia in in the past any simple thing they were saying that's an australian now i now i want to know what's mean an australian you know police going around bashing women children and passion parents in front of their children what what do you mean by an australian okay i want explanations of these things and i don't want to be i don't want to be pushed anymore like in order to have either the job or no job and i'm going back to work in two days and i'm not i didn't take the job i don't know what they're gonna tell me next week this coming week actually so yeah wow remarkable do you do you work nigel um not currently no just busy okay there's uh but does are you with a partner does your partner work is he facing um losing his work uh not that we know of just yet to be honest um but it looks like everybody's going to the same kind of situation whether it's today or tomorrow or next week it doesn't matter um yeah this is just um to be honest with you guys like i feel like a lot of us migrated um from our countries and thought that australia would be home and it would be where freedom and peace um would be found and i think that's what we found in australia and honestly it's disappointing and i'm sure a lot of people can agree that we're in a predicament that it feels like back home is better today than where we are australia is better than this i believe they're better than this i don't think that it is right uh for anybody to tell you what to do with your own body uh i i think that it could be a choice that has been given to people not pushed and um harassed i feel like this is harassment i feel like this is not even just telling me what to do it's telling you how to do it when to do it and why to do it but i i feel like hold on wait a minute like how about if i want to deal with the covet when it comes to me the way i want to deal with it i'm not going to go into the community i'm not going to go spread it but once i do get ill i'll stay home and heal myself and try to do the remedies that i think is perfect for me and then come back into this community and society and i think that should be one of the options that we are given but it seems like there's no options but the jab and that's pretty confusing to me to be honest yeah go ahead go ahead uh um i gotta say i'm sitting here listening and um my heart goes out to both you guys i'm also an immigrant by the way but i'm watching the messages that are coming online and there's a couple of people who've come online who have said the most incendiary remarks uh here and i'll read them out since you published them i'll be i'll read you out one fellow west looks to be like a man says go back and fix your own country and the next person i can't tell if it's a man or a woman says pete's fish and chips says don't lie you said everyone go back to your country woman i find that that's a disgraceful act of cowardice because the fact is that australia is built on people coming from all corners of the earth no matter what color unless you're a black aboriginal indigenous person you are the same as everybody else and we've all built this country equally there's none of this garbage to go back to your country it's pathetic cowardice comment and that kind of comment is exactly the problem that we now have this divisiveness these people attacking one another downgrading people and denigrating people to get your way it's pathetic they would be ashamed of themselves these two clouds is that something daniel andrews is inadvertently doing is actually uniting multicultural melbourne like i've never seen it united before yeah i really felt that really strongly on the shrine did you say nationals the sea of nationals is there and we had africa africans everything yeah i saw asians that there was an asian guy member on the bridge that was a vietnamese looking guy there's there's definitely all different races and we're taking photos of them uh indians and stuff like this it's uh lots of the middle eastern people i mean i'm the only one born in australia here is damien i'm from wales you know i came i'm a 10 pound pom and they used to yeah they brought us over like in in basically sheep you know 10 pounds for the whole family which was nothing and just dumped us in the country i mean that's that's my my heritage you know and uh so you know there's four of us out of that five or so but we we are people who basically come to australia because we sought a better life and we've we've all contributed to that and um that's not to say that we want to displace anything here i mean uh we want to enrich it and but no one has ever expected it to be to turn into a totalitarian style of government and that's the problem okay it's not a cultural issue it's totalitarianism that's the issue at the moment and it's funny you know totalitarianism isn't racist i mean you know you've had it in you've had it in uh yugoslavia yeah you've had it uh all around the world you've had it in african countries berhan you've you've actually lived under it probably longer than anyone here and you said like you lived under with saddam hussein and then the americans can you explain a bit what it's like in the parallels to what's going on now oh i can well it's a sometimes what i see with how the police and the uh and the politicians they they speak it's like a flash from the the past it's like a blast from the past it's things like that you know they don't show it they don't wear like you know army uniform maybe they don't show their weapons and things but no job no job no job is it's something like that you know you can't get out of your home it's something like that what else you can't visit your parents you can't talk to your neighbor dub your neighbor in you know this is even worse than you what some of some of the points is even worse what i've experienced in the past you know it's it's even worse and for those people who they say go back to where you come from well when i was accepted in australia i was stateless when i australia brought me here accepted me i came to australia and my australians on when i applied for my australian citizenship there was a question do you hold any other citizenship on of any other country i think no because i didn't have it so what i'm going to go to remember you don't have a homeland as it were because it's broken up into so many different countries yeah it's true i mean i mean generally those people they don't understand what they're talking about you know i mean who are you to tell me to go back okay i'll go to the next suburb i just moved from that suburb to this suburb i go back to there because i i this is this is home for me is what dan annuals has done he's lit this fire where people are literally pitted one against the other i have to talk about my next-door neighbor if he's going to do something to dub on me for doing something imagine that yeah um or you know the last thing i care about is the color of your skin or the politics of the country you come from i really couldn't give in fact i i welcome it let's have a meal together let's enjoy each other's cultures that would be wonderful but to to have to have this division with these these absolute i don't even know what to how to describe in these people they're just well i got this up here at uh burhan so sam nahas you said what's on australian he said w dubbing your neighbor in is so not australian and that's what i grew up in i grew up in you just didn't unless they were you know a murderer or something you just didn't do it i know when i came to australia i came home and said to my mum what what's a what's a bloody palm and i was like in grade one and she said who said that and it's the teacher and uh and uh and so every every sort of group of uh arrivals because you know what i mean yeah it used to be wow um i do not blame the comments and i do not blame people do you know why because a lot of times i don't know if you guys realize but what the indigenous indigenous people um what happened to them in this country already shows you where we are you know and all the time i remember getting like hearing and knowing that you know black people were gangsters and thugs and drug dealers and troublemakers and you know what and i also used to hear that muslims are terrorists you know and um women that wear the scarf are ninjas you know and this is all the things that have been portrayed in the media and what our leaders try to do to divide us but you know what you know what i'll tell you guys tonight is that i am honestly proud and honored to be a part of this kind of time you know why because it allowed for every single person to realize how it is to feel or to be in somebody else's shoe today it's not a bad race it's not about religion it's not about culture it is about humanity right and and that's what we need to always remember that the hate the hate has to be pain in sight you know you don't just hate because you just want to hate you you're hating and you're being that low as a person because inside of you you don't feel okay so we can't blame them we can't be angry with them listen i i have a lot of um white friends a lot of black friends a lot of anybody you know i don't discriminate and i don't i think everybody deserves to be respected not because i have to be them or accept them i just believe that you're a human being and you're worthy and one of the things that i always believed in is that god has created me and if i love god then i have to love every single person that he has created you know including dan including dan including michael including daddy yeah that's right that's right which is ironic because that's what you the comments that came on air i was reading them were just fabulous honestly yeah people are so they're so decent some of the people you see here they're wonderful i just saw for example somebody was so proud to see indigenous australians standing up yeah i saw that one is that i mean it's just look australians are basically very good people and they believe in the fair go and um this is i take a little bit of ambrish with constantly being portrayed as a racist country because i certainly know that i grew up in you know and i was born into over 50 years ago unfortunately i can admit that but it was a very anglo-centric country now the country i live in today i walk around melbourne streets and i tell you it's not that anglo-centric country anymore so somehow it does work with cohesion somehow australians have opened their hearts up to other people coming to this culture so to constantly the danger is to constantly buy that cultural marxist line that we're racist no matter what we learn that in our schools it doesn't matter what you do you're going to be a race but is there a point where as an anglo saxon you want to be able to celebrate your own culture as well you do and i feel like that's really that can be very easily denigrated now very very easily denigrated so i think there's a sensitivity there that white australians particularly feel you know without and obviously there's you know serious concerns initially for indigenous australians historically speaking you know but again that wasn't necessarily australia indigenous indigenous australia was a different country all together than what the institutions that represent what was brought by you know those original those uh european inhabitants that came out here and brought that anglo-saxon culture with them and i think there's something really worth preserving there you know um common law there's all these things that are now being run over roughshod by daniel andrews that's right i think those things are the things that attracted migrants so many migrants to actually want to come to this culture did they want to come because we're all such rabbit racists boy how massive australia australia's australians are famous for the fair go and for supporting the underdog and and and live and let live it's so much so much of australia is live and let live but the thing about multiculturalism i feel is that there is a distinction between assimilation and integration i've never assimilated into australia i've maintained my strong cultural identity but i've certainly integrated in every sense of the word i've been practicing law for 42 years so that's not integration i don't know what is right but i maintain my culture and the fact is i've got friends who have completely different cultures but boy we enjoy each other's cultures and each other's company in the process that's the beauty of australia which i want to retain largemouth you're in sydney correct no i'm in melbourne michael come on oh you're in melbourne i thought you're in sydney with burnham obviously you're in melbourne because i was going to say if you want to see melbourne how multicultural you just grab a tram grab the 109 going through richmond the whole world is on that tram and no one no one's no one's fighting each other they're just writing a trend you really want to laugh michael um sure i lived in queensland uh from 1999 to 2006 right and we get we used to get looked at like aliens because there was not much black people there at that time okay yeah then boom my parents decided to come to melbourne michael the day that i saw footscray i was like where was this place all this time i felt at home i was like yeah yeah yeah you know yeah yeah like it felt like we belonged and i think melbourne especially melbourne is a city that you know whatever you want to find you will be able to yeah well that's what it used to be everything's closed now so you can't find anything but but you know it's it's let's talk about what australia is now australia is like the united states it's all these people coming from other countries the united states had the indians there and they come and they build this culture on another culture which is is sad but that's what we are and and trying to well that's why we're so brand new that's why the one thing we don't have in our culture is these old ancient hates which dan is building now which to me is the hallmark of a terrible leader anyone any leader who brings out the worst in his people is a terrible leader i can't understand anyone who loves him because he's just basically bringing out and it's the same in sydney with the sydney crowd they're bringing out the worst in us they're telling us to hate they're saying it's okay to hate it's it's horrendous it's it's a disgrace and i i that's that's my trouble that i have even talking about him with people that like him i i just don't understand i think he portrays everything that a good leader is and just wait for it now wait uh one week or two weeks from now the pandora's box is about to be opened with the employment who can walk who can get a job who can't get a job um whether you can walk into a shop where you can't walk into a shop that's the real pandora's box that will now open well he's making the distinction now isn't he between it's not between race anymore it's between a bureaucratic corporate elite and everybody else so we'll all be united more than ever because we'll all be the castle class we'll all be the slaves like in sydney where you live behind what's it like in sydney where you live michael i live in wollongong about an hour from sydney okay what's it like around there now have they got the vaccine passports going are you not allowed in certain places what's happening no no i don't i don't think so because i i'm not vaccinated i don't know and um i don't see that no it's not but what i saw michael on um on friday we we went to the reclaim the line oh yes yes for the strike yeah and um it was amazing you know you see all the people on the on the t-shirt white t-shirt i put the white t-shirt on everyone had a white t-shirt on a teacher for 30 some something years the nurse was 20 something years you know and it was so sad to see this lady she's been a nurse for 30 something years and she lost her job and she said few things i was like i was in shock like one of the teachers so i was i thought that she she came to to the place where i work and she said no no um she told me she said me my sister my mother the three of us we don't know what's going to happen the three of us are teachers we don't know what's going to happen in the next like next month we may lose our jobs yeah for her her sister her mother and but the spirit was just you know it was it was a lovely time we spent together everyone i mean but it's very sad it's very sad to see people being in a place loving their job for more than 30 years and now they just say just go go home because these are the nurses that actually tended to the covet when there was the pandemic iron we didn't have a vaccine they were there they were the heroes everyone keeps saying this because it's true these were the heroes and now we've gone now now you're the villains that lady actually should confirm there's a video from a nurse from uk she's talking about a vaccinated people when they access hospital they uh they when they enter hospital if they're vaccinated they give them either mechan she confirmed that she said in australia they're doing the same she said you know australia if someone is vaccinated they give them isomethy and they let them walk out of the hospital and some people she said if they are not when they enter hospital sometimes they put them ventilated oxygen on them for five minutes only five minutes just to put it on the book that they've been on on that floor just in case facebook takes me off because we go i got banned three days last week even if it's the truth uh we have to be sort of careful there berhan that's sort of for your facebook pages not that i don't believe you i'm not saying that but this is the the gaugey area i'm sorry they signed me out every day a few times too of facebook michael i'm facing the same thing yeah facebook jail yeah how was your community handling it did you deal much with egyptians or somalians or you sort of isolated from them what's happening in your community a little bit isolated but from my understanding there's a few of them that i've spoken to directly that already did the job uh they just went out there and did it because they don't want no problems and i think that is based off the fact michael and i think this is what i told you when i um i spoke to you i think a week ago um michael we used to always see police brutality against black people okay majority of the time that's what we're used to like our boys it wasn't like out there but then it was there you know what i mean like just the racist police um brutality and rudeness but um [Music] to be able to see police like arresting and treating the white man like that and the white woman we've got no chance like that's where we at like we're standing out here thinking oh my god what is going on like when did it become that easy that okay that they can do that get away with it like it's nothing and it's like as if they have the right and they know that they're not gonna be punished for it and that's the scary part and i think there's a lot of our people in the community that are just you know what saying you know what i can't like i'm just gonna go do what i gotta do to just survive this and it's sad but i'm not getting my jab i i decided that i'm not going to and you know what i'm i'm not against vaccination and i think this is exactly like everybody else it's not about the vaccine it is about the idea of the way this government is going about it like we get into lockdown out of nowhere and stay in it and we don't know what time we're getting out of it okay and to be honest with you usually criminals when they're going to jail they know what time they're going in they know when they're coming out they know what's going on but it seems to me that we don't even know what's happening anymore and all of a sudden we're waiting thinking okay tomorrow tomorrow next week this that and then all of a sudden it is if you don't get the jab you ain't doing nothing and to be honest with you it is so saddening because it feels like we've got nowhere to go like i feel like i wake up in the morning open the curtains at night when the sun goes just closing the curtains and going to sleep and that's what life became when i and i think that's not because this is real life this is real time this is real humans okay and there's there's time that can never be brought back that we're wasting okay we should be able to communicate with each other and understand where we're coming you know where we're coming from but it feels like they're not even listening at all they don't really care um it's their way or the highway and that's very very disappointing there was a there was an article today i read that the new south wales police commissioner has come out and said that they are not going to enforce the rules um about who can walk into a shop and the vax passport in other words they're not going for yeah that to me was a real glimmer of liability because it shows that the police are realizing that they're being manipulated for political purposes and they're not going to become the ground truths for the government um i'm hoping that the victorian police will do the same because the minute the police say you know what we're not going to do this we're not pursuing the protesters anymore everything will unravel the government will they will have the government will lose people will lose confidence in the government when the police despite that's enough and fingers well they keep saying every at every protest they keep saying i'm i just need the job i just need the job but say yeah but you feel like saying yeah but the job serve and protect so you could literally go you know uh i'm not doing that i mean you would really would are they to sack you if you don't run down and and you know gorilla tackle all these uh where is the police union in all of this they can they can pipe up and say something you wonder what they're all about you know yeah well apparently narrative aren't they but that would take us sort of a moral courage which is over and above their material concerns that's what it would take overnight that's what your concerns yeah i've got something to finish the show which might give us some hope in that birham when you were in iraq uh because you were occurred were you treated sec like a second class citizen was was uh or was there equality there when the saddam had time no it was sometimes you could feel it sometimes but not to that level yeah to be honest i mean it wasn't yeah sorry what was the lack of freedom then that you were escaping because i remember you told me an amazing story of how you escaped and i'll get you to tell that again because it's so incredible but what was the lack of freedom that you were missing that that you decided to escape to to reach oh um michael we um we were not allowed to study in our own language we are we are like you can say we are indigenous in that the indigenous people in iraq and northern iraq we've been there there is a real citadel that's been there for um i mean six thousand years it's one of the heritage world heritage thing i think six thousand years we've been in that area but we're not allowed i remember when i went to primary school only the first year i studied my own language then it was changed because there was a british revolution and there was um a deal between iraq and iran they crushed the revolution and then after that they said no more you're studying in your own language no more wearing your own traditional clothes no more we didn't have all that we didn't have all that so straight away when i was you too they said you need to you have to study arabic you need to learn arabic i didn't speak arabic i didn't we didn't have many arabs in my town then they what they did they brought um police officers they brought army officers into the town they relocated them with their families and they we started learning the language so it was it was about that to to reclaim to reclaim your language reclaim your you know what you what you lost that's that's what the fight was about and because the people were oppressed so they were not allowed to speak speak up so there was a revolution an armed revolution we were back then about three to four million people in northern iran uh the our revolution was like about two thousand people two to three thousand people and i was young i joined them as as a young man it was uh when i was in high school how old were you um yeah about 14 15 years old yeah yeah until until 1991 until the um gulf war then the americans they came and there was uprising in the north then the kurdish people took over the land and the americans they they said we're going to protect this area and then after that i saw that there is a civil war civil war between there was a rival like two parties kurdish parties and i i thought about it as i am i said no this is not what i was fighting for this is not what i've been doing for the last eight years being a freedom fighter i didn't get rid of the dictator in order another dictator to come and take over so i said this is not a place for me so i lived in northern iraq on the other side was saddam a dictator on my side which was liberated they were other people they were dictators too i said no this is not a place for me anymore and i lost many friends i lost my best friend i lost my cousin i lost many friends some of them are short some of them are hung some of them in the battlefield you know all that so i had to to leave because of that so we achieved what we were fighting for we achieved freedom but straight away we saw that the people who took over power they were not better than saddam in many ways so i said this is not a place for me to to leave to study so i lived can you tell me tell the viewers again you the story of the border and what happened in the first crossing yeah well i didn't have a passport the iraqi government they didn't issue passports to the um to the citizens because they knew we had iraq iran more for eight years then straight away iraq invaded kuwait then it was the gulf war so the iraqi government knew anyone with a passport could get a visa and leave the country and never come back so they were not issuing passwords especially for youngsters and i just graduated from university they were not issuing passports to us i didn't have a passport i went to the turkish border i said from turkey i can walk all the way to europe so um i i paid a smuggler we i paid in my they were smugglers on the border to cross the border at night and we went at night the first night we were shot at by the turkish uh turkish gender mature turkish army they killed six of us then we went back but that didn't stop me from trying the night after that i tried and i crossed the border to turkey i was i was in turkey for about five months i tried four times crossing from turkey to greece every time the greeks they were finding us like on the border and sending us back to turkey and back and forth you know so um until i made it to greece to athens after four attempts um i was in athens for about two years um i didn't have anything i didn't have passport i didn't have and the iraqi government backed in actually they were saying whoever leaves iraq without the passport is not iraqi anymore uh that person will lose his citizenship and i found out that because the greek police they um they asked for my id and i said i don't have any id i'm kurdish they put me in prison not just me there was about five six of us took took them one month to contact the iraqi embassy back then and the iraqi investment went back to them to say okay those people are not iraqi citizens anymore they don't belong to us do whatever you want to do with them just do them it's up to you they're not our citizens anymore they don't belong to us they don't consider iraqis so the the police officers the the greek uh police they said okay you are stateless because your country of birth doesn't accept you anymore we don't know what to do with you just go go out we said go out wait he said well we found you on the street we asked for id go back to the street and then um yeah and then i during that time i applied to the um united nation and australian embassy and i was accepted in australia it wasn't it wasn't easy like i was i went through a lot of our time like um we were we were homeless for sometimes we stateless what during that time or like treated really badly and you know until i came to australia and i found all the all the freedoms all the things which i was before discovered um all the things which i was dreaming of and i'm part of a program here is called living books in australia we go and tell our story like instead of you read a book you bring a person as a book speaks to a group of people and they ask questions and um once i i one of the one of the audience actually asked me a question and the answer came out i don't know if i mentioned this last time in our interview uh someone asked it so you taught you telling us about your life and how horrific it was all your life and you lost many people and when did you feel safe for the first time in your life i said at sydney airport i didn't think about the answer the answer just came out just by itself and i was in shock of that answer i was i was thinking about it for a long time i've been thinking about for the last few years actually how that answer came out the answer came out because i really felt safe when i landed in sydney at sydney airport i felt safe for the first time you know and you know it's until until now i'm so worried about my children my i'm not going to get the job but no matter what i lose my job i'll lose whatever anything it doesn't i'm worried about my children and this is something which is you know so are you worried about it from a medical point of view are you worried about it from a freedom point of view that they don't have a choice the freedom point of view of michael the freedom point of view it's my children they've taken the vaccines and things in the past but i mean this is not this is a trial thing and then again why the push why why why all this around you know and how that just quantifying though like uh the thing that i find interesting is that six of you were ki or shot on the border and then you go back the next day to try again so when you're in the situation where you don't have freedoms freedom is that valuable it's it's worth dying trying to reach is what you're saying and now here and here we are here my fear is that people here don't realize that and they're just handing over freedoms um just so they can get back to their life and my great fear is not so much the jab but the the lack of understanding of how valuable it is they're giving away and that and how little they're getting back in return for that freedom freedom is when you're free to speak freely to do things freely not to be not to be forced into some that's not freedom either this or not you're not getting that's not freedom okay dan andrews or scott morrison he said a couple of times you know people are free it's a choice what is the choice in that way what is the choice you don't let me go to a shop is that a choice you don't let me to go to you don't let me to go and see my mom i haven't seen my mother in seven years seven years this the saddest thing i saw today sorry to interrupt you bear hand because i we're getting damie and i getting sent lots of stuff was uh someone that couldn't go see their father in hospital on his deathbed because they weren't vaccinated so they weren't letting to see him uh that that got sent to me the other night uh and i just thought where where is the humanity where is where is it where you know this is he's dying i mean you literally and it really makes me uh realize as we progress that a lot of the great um tragedies of uh of human history a lot of the great evil isn't done by evil men but it's done by bureaucrats doing the work of evil people um yeah okay it's also done by it's also done by us the people enabling them to do that silence yeah coming up here isn't there there's so many things because there's obviously clearly ethnic tensions in the countries that both of you have come from yeah clearly ethnic tensions and i wonder how much of that plays out in australia now too because it is such a multicultural country so does that give rise to different ethnic tensions and is that why we've got such a strong powerful bureaucratic state because it that's the grand narrative that plays into the state's hands the state takes control like daniel andrews has in no uncertain terms the brutal force of the police because there is tensions there i mean there is there's there's real problems that need to be addressed oh the city the city feels like it's ready to implode i've felt that for ages now and people are ready to implode when you were in egypt what was egypt like as a young person uh from my memory i was really young at that point um it was beautiful we felt the culture we felt the religion um more so than australia obviously um ramadan and was celebrated in a in a really big way um and we were able to like live it was beautiful at that time but i'm hearing that now it's different and there's a lot of people that live there um but michael i just wanted to say something like i've been listening to you guys and i think that um the most important thing that we all need to realize today is that we're winning do you know how um yeah because i think a lot of times we just felt like okay if if minorities were getting attacked that it was just the minorities that needed to deal with it do you understand but today i feel like we are not really caring about where you from what religion your background your skin color and i think that's what the police is really against because they used to abuse people on their own and nobody would come for them and i think what they're realizing is that today we are way stronger because it's not just one culture one religion or one um faith it is everybody coming together and trying to say no we're not going to accept this this is wrong and i feel like it became very hard to discuss things like where's the freedom of speech i don't understand like where's the freedom of just being able to speak like all of a sudden the c word okay became like a phobia like people can't speak about and that's confusing to me to be honest with you and i know that a lot of people are afraid not because they're just fear i think they just don't have faith in their heart that they can do it or make a change in difference because whatever you do today leads the way for tomorrow and that's what they don't understand today so if you give your freedom today whatever happens tomorrow you shouldn't really care about it you can't stand up then you can't say nothing then because you're giving something very very important which is the choice of making a decision with your mental capacity and common sense and being able to be granted that and i feel like that's what they're taking from us and that's wrong [Music] well the other thing i think we have in our favor even though these are dark days and they might get a bit darker for a while is that we're offering the future something better than what they are we've got a better product to sell they might have all the guns and all the bureaucracy but all they're selling us is uh segregation and tyranny and uh and we're selling hope freedom so we've actually got better products to sell which i eventually i think most people will turn around and go i want what they're selling you know i don't want what you're having it might take a while i know i know in israel at the moment a thing of hope i'm going to bring this up is that's a million people are refusing to take their third booster shot and they're having uh protests all over israel now against the booster shot the third one that they're refusing to take it and all their vaccination passports have been annulled and now they're they're treated as the unvaccinated even though they've been vaccinated so it's a crazy time yeah so that i just wanted to ask you something michael um i just wanted to know like there are a few people out there that have done the right thing supposedly and went and got their two doses beautiful mm-hmm fair enough their choices to you is how come they're still living the same predicament as us the unbackseat how come they're not able to work how come they're not able to go out that doesn't make sense to me they did the right thing that's what you asked them to do they did it so give them the freedom do you know what i mean you're not even doing it exactly right the people who'd be vaccinated shouldn't be afraid of those who have been unvaccinated because they're vaccinated so this is the the insanity of this whole thing because still they still get sick they still get sick but so but they don't get as sick they still carry the virus too so they're still characters exactly the question another question sorry and what about for the people that without the vaccine have got had had covered so they need to be adjacent they don't yeah the ones who had natural immunity i i know it's i i don't because i have i had it in 2019 december oh you had it can you tell us what it was like oh my god it was crazy michael it was crazy like it was really bad and i had no idea what it was i stayed in bed for like 30 days i think because i wasn't doing anything about it but um yeah like i was like a lot of sweating my skin was sore i was feeling cold and hot what do i remember like i couldn't get up i remember a lot a lot of things but michael i'm not the type of person that takes any drugs so i didn't even take the panadol on europe and do you know what i mean i just don't kick back like i really kicked back yes it took a long time but i just laid there and drank tea lemon honey and i was better now my question is why am i getting jabs yeah exactly well that these are logical questions and we actually live in an illogical world then you just bang your head you need to answer like they have to answer some questions like they won't answer it they won't answer they don't they don't answer logical questions no that's the same as i put a thing up today about the the the grand final parade that actually went down uh the tan walkway next to the arrow one or two policemen with them all enjoying it a huge crowd no problem at all a week later a small group of protesters uh are just pounced on by huge amounts of police the only difference is they weren't celebrating football they were they were trying to defend freedom um it's the hypocrisy is off the scale the you sit in the park in your little picnics and the police will walk right by no one will care but the minute you pull out a placard in protest you're going to be arrested nothing has changed from the scientist's point of view i will answer the question they'll answer it with a butt of a rifle they'll answer it with a butt of a rifle that's the answer it's not about the science that's the point i'm making okay so what do we do about it and that's the argument in the science the science but ultimately the science can go to hell so that's what we're so concerned about in control it's all about the filter yeah and then you're wondering what's the real agenda driving it well i think one way is to simply resist yeah one way to do what i think najma uh as we all come together i mean the reason i'm not taking the vaccine now if if they'd actually kind of in me a different way said look we think this could help you're in the raid age limit you know you're looking old and grey if you get it you're going to be really crook won't you take this i think yeah sure took the flu jab but the way they're going about it destroying and shaming and destroying everything i love about the country and bullying bullying and what i've seen with the police i'm like screw you i'm not taking it i don't care i don't care if i get it it kills me i'm not freaking taking it i'm not giving in and so it's it's actually defi defiance and there's a lot of people like me because i don't react to bullies i just don't i did it from school i don't do it it's and and that's how how i see it it's and if you're going to make me homeless well that's just my bag you know but it's i'm not giving in to this horrendous form of t because as soon as i do that i'm saying yes i agree i'm a part of this narrative let's keep this tyranny going let's get the police allow them to do the things that they're doing uh let dan just make all this up on a whim i disagree what's happening now i i disagree with it and so that's why i protest that's why i do this show uh i started this show literally almost with gardi just to defend free speech by refusing to be silent that's why i like burhan you know what i mean even though he'll probably get me kicked off because he goes further but it's it's very important to have people who realize how valuable freedom isn't defended because you cannot give it away they do not give it back because they never gave it to you in the first place we fought it off them we wrenched it off them you do not give it back it's that important you know if we don't defend it now i just sort of pick up your casuals and think you're going to be able to defend it later on because it's gone today damian i was talking to a friend of mine who's a musician and he's one of australia's top musicians he hasn't had the jab yet but he's about to have the jab he's decided to do it for his own reasons it doesn't matter what his reasons are yeah and that's okay that's okay everyone's on top of their decisions what good for me may not be good for you but in any event what he said to me wasn't i i felt like standing up and giving him a round of applause he said you know i'm not going to be performing in any venue that requires people to have a jab to come in and see me perform he refuses to do that now that is the true sign of a genuine libertarian a classical libertarian a democrat principled man you know that he will stand up for the principle ahead of his pocket that's fantastic yeah well i i i really do believe it should be freedom of choice to take it i really i absolutely think it's it's your body your choice you said it right najma that it's your body you decide you don't want to take a panadol you don't take a pandora you put up with the pain that's your choice it's the same with cancer treatment some people don't want chemotherapy they go i'm going to handle it naturally if i die that's my choice that's freedom that's freedom that is most fundamental there's that old problem he's actually got an album he's made an album and it's about this i can't remember his name somehow i can't ah eric clapton or someone one of those and there's another guy yeah old school rockers you know yeah made an album now but the other thing too though is i i'm deeply against segregation najmar because i think the beautiful thing about a literally about six or seven years ago they brought people from around the world to melbourne to try to figure out why melbourne did multiculturalism so well because they did not have hate wars you know i know they the the the media who was always looking for a side blamed the somalians for everything but in actual fact people just got on i know because i used to be a tram driver then i never saw any violence i saw people i remember uh i did a night shift one night and i had a uh i think it was somalian uh anyway he was enormous just it might have been sudanese really skinny enormous he'd been on my tram and he lived on my way home and i said look i'll give you a lift home and he was about ten foot honestly he was like and i had a tiny little car and he was all cupped up at his knees and he went to ten kids but he was beautiful you know used to get up and kicked soccer ball around clean up the tram a bit just this lovely general human beings going through doing his university thing a blessing to our country a blessing to our country that we're gifted this beautiful young man and that's what we do with all these people coming from everywhere yeah we get a few oddbods and a few crazies but that's life but australia is a if we keep going and we can get through this and remain inclusive two or three hundred years from now our offspring will be a mix of everything there'll be iraqi kurds so mali greeks jews everything there'll be this one australian that's actually a blend of all the other countries in the world they'll be a really brand new australian be a beautiful thing and it's better that they come from a bedrock of freedom and tolerance and kindness than this tyranny that this [ __ ] is is trying to gift us and the only way we can defend that sorry is with a courage and strength and principles what about principles i'm going to stick to my principles i'm not taking this i'm not going to give into bullying because it'll never stop a bully never gives up until you stand up to a bully every culture knows that sorry guardian in the 60s when i went to primary school i was surrounded by greeks italians and yugoslavs man they were known as yugoslavs at the time and um and and here i was a jew you know but the thing is that um there was we we called each other all sorts of names but it was never done in hatred and if you did say something in hatred you'd get a smack in the mouth right then and there in the schoolyard and it would get sorted out very quickly these people have now fast forward 50 years later i still know some of these people they're the most wonderful members of society they are so such good australians in every sense of the word right and we still tease each other about our cultural heritage but it's done with love it's done with absolute love can i just say though i don't know that there's going to be this blended utopia because i seem to think that people seem to stick in their enclaves and i think people do do move into the splendid utopia and i think there's a few problems with that too because it's like i don't want to go to paris to not see france as well do you know what i mean i don't think and i think the globalists want a blended utopia or the the fantasy of it i used to do night shift on the tram and i used to be amazed when i was on the tram at night shift by the amount of mixed-race couples and not just white people with other people indians with africans and and there's all people and i used to see it a lot you used to i used to be amazed by how it was naturally happening because love doesn't give a [ __ ] what you look like you know or what race what about i don't talk about blending it's not about blending for me it's about integrating in society being a functional citizen in society with good values that respect your fellow man and woman that's not blending but it doesn't mean you can't hang on to your cultural identity the fact that i have say an italian friend and i like i call him out of love or i have one friend a greek guy i've known for 55 years i call him a [ __ ] and i say it with love and he calls me a bloody jew and we both joke about it but you know it's not about this blending that the globalists want as a neo-marxist mentor [Music] to show you from a pla to show you from a playwriting uh point of view damian you had a trouble riding romeo and juliet in australia because no race really gave a crap you know if you if you if your daughter was going to marry an african they go oh okay you know or italian or no one really was going i'll kill them if you can they didn't have it except now we're going to have the vaccinated and the unvaccinated because one side of the vaccinated they're getting their hatred up and i can just see them going here they are in their hosh posh house and suddenly their daughter turns up with this unvaccinated kid that she's madly in love with suddenly playwrights can write the modern version of romeo and juliet before we came on though too najmay was saying that the somalian gangs that have come from somalia to melbourne and they've gone gangs no no no no no no driving went into their own suburbs yeah yeah it's really identified with each other you know um back at home the civil war was about tribalism so different tribes were really against other tribes so um often we see that when we came to the western um countries that some tribes are living in different suburbs than other tribes and we're still carrying that kind of uh mentality that tribal identity is still there that's tribal identity there yeah yeah so i think we'd be silly to pretend that there isn't something that strong bond between tribal identities and it might be nice to say it on a show because we're in it you know we're on no no but i think i'm talking you're talking one or two generations for 200 years is like four or five generations i think that blend i mean when i grew up the the italians stayed with the the italian woman got old they didn't even know how to speak english because their husbands had never let them speak english now of course it's one yeah generations come but now the grandkids of their generations they don't you know they don't they don't even speak italian okay you know so it's that's why i'm talking 200 years not next year but 200 300 years from now these things will will will dissipate you still have them this whole thing the whole world will be the same then by that i don't know it depends on the world but that was my view of australia it depends on your question my children are like what ex exactly what you say well i come from iraq iraq is in asia my wife is polish she's from poland she's european and we met here and our children were born in australia so when when they get asked at school so i belong to three continents my father is asian he's from iraq he's kurdish from iran my mother is european and i was born in australia so they belong to they say all of them i have four kids they say we belong to three continents asia australia and europe but they speak only at the moment they just speak english as you say it's very important for you to maintain your kurdish language when you're in iraq because you wanted to still identify as a as and very understandably so you know it's a it's very complex very complex question i know we're about to finish but i would really love to ask this question of this group question in some respects so i would like to ask because there's the same group of people that i saw basically at the black lives matter protest uh in the middle of covert the police took the knee the media's reportage was that covert doesn't even spread when we're out in an open air and it's all fine it's all going to be okay maybe they shouldn't have done it but it's still okay now the freedom fighters which i think are the same group of people because they're just as multicultural as anyone that turned up to the blm protests suddenly no the media are down on them really really really hard and the police were well we've seen what what what they did in response is does anyone have i don't know i just want to put that out there to the group it's a big conversation i personally i personally think damien that what is at hand today is completely different to black lives okay what we're talking about is humanity okay in general that's getting messed around with so to say so of course with black lives matter it was okay because they just thought okay it's just minority we're talking about but today what you guys are talking about what we're trying to achieve here is freedom of choice which they're completely trying to take away from us yeah and i think i think there's a global agenda on it i think there's a difference there's gonna be like obviously there's gonna be a different like behavior towards this and as you're saying the footy people celebrating um the winning of football team is fine in in the midst like it wasn't even a moment like like a day later penicillin um nurses and teachers they couldn't even do that why oh that was at exactly the same time but that wasn't as such i agree there's absolute hypocrisy there but it wasn't a protest as such whereas the blm movement was definitely a protest it was set up as a protest people were told by the authorities not to go and attend but they did and the authority's response to it as we saw with police literally taking the knee was totally different than the response we had for the freedom fighters even though the freedom fighters could have been exactly the same group of protesters because it was such a diverse crowd but for some reason that message was absolutely threatening to the status quo where the blm message wasn't threatening or maybe it was more threatening that's why they took the knee and they're it's a it's i don't know i don't know the answers i just think it's i just i believe that what's happening now is completely different and we're on a different ball game like i think whatever is coming is very dangerous and that's why there's a lot of fear and that's why a lot of people are just going with the flow because they're realizing the depth and intensity of what's going on because what we're dealing with is not your ordinary persons you know what i mean like i feel like we're dealing with people that already organized themselves and ready and they knew exactly what they're going to be doing to us totally yeah i'm going to let you finish because you lived with uh so when saddam was insane uh saddam hussein was in power sorry if if in your village you had an uprising or people were deciding to protest against adam was saying what would have happened uh well it happened actually in the 80s which was really really a time like people that were really scared of saddam he um the students it happened in suleimania in the city of suleimania they went a demonstration on the street against the government uh what they did they they actually they bashed few students they you know they took them from the and what they did they closed the university and they moved it to a different state they moved to arabia so what happened they took the stude all the students they had to move to different state which is about like two and a half hours so away you were three hours away but what happened the same students they did their own demonstrations in arabic in the other city because what they did what closed down this building and take the same people to different city so the same people the same students they went on a demonstration that i beat um they were faced with the same thing they were going with the with the sticks and passions my my cousin was one of them actually he came home and he showed us his back i remember in the 80s mid 80s he said oh this is what they did to us and things but yeah it was it didn't kill anyone i mean they didn't shoot anyone on the street at that time which was really people were waiting for that to happen um yeah but slowly the fear they put that fear into people into students like uh uh that you're going to lose your university slowly it stopped that was the last thing happened mid 80s never happened again after that so the fear crushed it of course of course that's why that's why i'm i'm telling people out there you know just don't have fear just go forward just go forward just you know ask for your right your freedom is worth more than your life if you don't live your life if you don't have freedom you are a prisoner and a lockdown for god's sake lock down it's mean you are you are a prisoner you want to lock there i tell people i say you know i was on a boat across the across this from turkey to greece we went by boat we once one of the i told you we i did four attempts the greeks they found us close to one of the one of the islands they shot in the air and the smuggler got scared then he stopped the boat and the police yacht came massive and they they looked at us they say all the youngsters there were 11 of us they said oh go back go back to where you come from go back to turkey i said i'm not going back i was i was the one the first one actually i said there was another man later on he became a refugee he went to uk he said i'm not going to oh we were i was waiting for other people to stand up the rest they were all just they sat down so what the greek uh border guard did he point the rifle at me at us actually he said okay you go back now what i did i raised my jumper i said i raised out i said shoot me i'm not going back you know my friend what he did he did exactly the same but what happened the smuggler was scared about his life and the rest they were saying they started begging us please please they're pointing the gun at the boat we have a small boat they're going to shoot us let's go back let's go back let's go back what happened we were outnumbered by our own people there were only two of us among 10 11 10 10 refugees when they sent us back to when we went back to turkey the next day the turks they found us and they put us in prison and i told them prison i told them i said see what happened we could resist the greeks they have european mentality at least they could you know after a while what we break the boat the motto on the boat and we still can't go back what are they gonna do to us they know they're not gonna kill us they're not gonna shoot us you know so you need to stand up people need to understand this is about your free this is about your the future of your children for god's sake you know i don't my son is only 12. all his friends from school and his team like he he plays sport i see one after each other the families they take them and they give them the job 12 years old i would rather get a bullet in my forehead than to take my son to get a job in that age i want them to get married i want to have children i want to i want them to choose i want them to get into our age shoes at the moment i choose for him no jab no matter what happens that's okay i'm going to leave it there unless anybody has anything to say just actually i'll i'll end on you naja because you think birhan do you want to say anything uh we're going over time do you want to say anything to your people in your language uh just to reach across just to anyone who's there it's up to you yeah um [Music] okay and guys i just wanted to end with this um to be honest with you we got this all right um it's not a genuine situation i don't think that this is you need to be intelligent or smart to know there's something up you know what i mean like nobody's stupid you've you've groomed us and taught us to have our own mind and to think with our own mind you gave us freedom of speech and that's what i believe in and i believe that at the end of the day there is power in unity and i think it's about time we all stood together regardless of our fears just trust in the fact that if you still can get the covert situation even when you're vaccined come on really come on guys really like if you're telling me the vaccine is gonna stop something or do something or help me with something or i can't pass it on or something worthy of something that would make sense but whatever is going on in victoria melbourne the lockdowns what is happening with the mental health and stress and anxiety that's out here getting caused by whatever this is that they're doing is far more worse than the actual virus itself and when we realize that we realize that there is something behind it because if if this was about health if this is exactly about health and for our well-being i think they would have thought about their mental health and how people that maybe living alone would feel how many have people in abusive homes you know what i mean like why don't you think of that like instead of just being really like just focus on one thing which is get the jab get the jab we just need to stand up to it and realize that we have the power in our numbers even the ones that got vaccined you guys can still come and stand with us because it's not about whether you've got it or not it's not about me you were different because i'm vaccinal you're not vaccine it's about our freedom of choice you're still in the lockdown with us don't ever forget that we it's about time we come together and we stand up and we do something about it respectfully anger not with resentment not with hate not with swearing with respect because that's how you get your message across with respect because that's what you that's what they want you to be angry they want you to come on the streets and show your thuggish style you know like anger so then they can say oh thugs came out on the street no there was no thugs i didn't see no thugs i saw people that were passionate and so people that can't and they try to make them look like they were doing something wrong so guys let's unite let's do it together and let's do it correct every other city is coming out in thousands i don't see melvin doing that and we got a lot way more people out there to come out don't be scared even if you get arrested oh that's excitement careful that's goat territory i think we ended on a man you entered the thing yeah thank you for coming on thank you for coming on najma thank you for coming back on i'm going to end on something hopeful i'm going to end i'm going to get these guys out of the studio please stay in the studio i'll get you back up uh i can't keep up with the comments they're going like crazy um uh i'm gonna end with italians uh i saw this today someone sent it to me italian police officers putting down their weapons and joining the crowd it did happen in queensland with some policemen in queensland but this is with the italians and we're going to end on this so good night australia and we'll see you tomorrow with professor spike as he tries to figure out what the hell is going on okay good night good night [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] oh

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