Surviving Narcissism with Dr. Les Carter - Terri Cole

narcissists are in search for Supply they want to know that they're better than which means that they have to have somebody that's less than and that's where you come in it's almost as though they're thinking well okay I I know that I I'm I'm surrounded by a lot of idiots but I I guess I'm just going to need to go back and and show them how good I am even when they get frustrated it it makes me realize how unique I am but then why do you keep coming back and the answer is I like pounding people and I I like showing my dominance and showing how much more smart I am and so and they they like to pick people who they think are going to be lackies and flunkies well hello there and welcome to this episode of the Terry Cole show I really think you're going to love this one so I interviewed my new pal who I was on his show but is someone whose work his name is Dr Les Carter I was very familiar with his work before they reached out to me to be on his show and then he was nice enough to be on my show he's a retired psychologist but for over 40 years he maintained a private practice in the Dallas area but he is an anger expert and a narcissism expert so that's really what we focus on in this interview where we're actually breaking down he had a video that went viral almost four and a half million views on this video that he put up in 2020 about eight questions that a narcissist can't answer and it's so Illuminating so anyway I hope that you enjoy this interview with Dr Les Carter as much as I enjoyed interviewing him I'm super excited to welcome my new pal Dr Les Carter to the Terry Cole show Welcome Dr Carter oh Terry I'm so pleased to be with you here and it's good to chat with you again well it sure is we had so many questions and there's so many different ways I wanted to go with talking to because there's so many questions that people have about narcissism about anger but then we looked at I was really looking at your YouTube yoube Channel which is so great and there's just so much good stuff there but there was a really popular one of your things just exploded and went crazy so we're going to talk about that in a little bit I'm going to ask you those questions but why don't we just start with can you share with us the journey into psychology and what specifically Drew you to what you're doing now well that's that's that's a great question uh the the standard joke in my family is I grew up with a dad who was in and out of prison my enire childhood and he was a prison chaplain and so the operative word is out he got to come home every day so uh but and then he wound up becoming a uh a consultant to chaplain and what he would do is he would help set up programs for people before they would be leading and family kind of things and all and so throughout my childhood I was exposed to a whole lot of the down and outer type of people and he wasn't bashful about exposing me to it which I think is great and um particularly as I got older and in my college Years I'd go go to the prison and eat lunch with him and things like that and I and I knew really early on and and when I say early on I'm talking about grade school that I wanted to do something that was in the uh the mental health profession I didn't know what to call it back then and by the time I got toh to Baylor University which is where I went to my undergraduate I realized okay that's where I want to go and then I I went straight from there in graduate school up at University of North Texas it's a passion for me what makes people tick and why do some people do well well why do some people not and what's all of that that's the early history as an aside I have a twin brother who's uh also went into psychology and um he's more on the forensic side of it he he's kind of followed more in that kind of Direction where he does testing with criminals Etc and I went more into the therapy Direction when I was in graduate school I had a supervisor who did a lot of work in Anger Management work and so by by the time I finished my doctoral internship with him he gave me his Blessing gave me all of his materials and I wind up putting together all these anger workshops when I was a young therapist and and that's kind of how I got my start and that's how I got my claim to fame and and anytime you are are talking with people about uh how to handle conflict and manage that well then you're going to be talking to a very high percentage of the population and then over the years I began realizing you know when I talk about angry people I'm talking about people who are struggling with their craving to be in control uh there's a lot of selfishness is there and and U the anger arises out of their sense of fear and insecurity and the more my thinking began to mature the more I realized I'm talking about narcissism and this is something that it's part of the human condition and if we're going to get to the core of it we need to go all the way down into the who am I kind of questions and so over the course of time and decades and now I'm I'm kind of getting in the old Direction becoming a septarian now and so um yeah I know but it's been an ongoing growth and self-revealing kind of a process I love it I love to learn and I love to be with people and help and so I mean in a nutshell that's sort of where I've been and how I got to where I am right now so interesting because these first of all I've really identified with what you're saying about what motivates you like long before I became a psych therapist people's stories just I was just transfixed by people's life stories where most people are like therapist you got to listen to people talk all day I'm like oh it's fascinating like I absolutely love it exactly 100% and loved it long before I actually was a a therapist um but you have like kind of been in front of this curve when we think about narcissism in particular and the anger stuff because these are the two real real things that people want from you and people come to you for lots of other things too but these are the main things I think that you know when someone is saying who who would be like the expert or one of the top experts in this area you you would be it so for narcissism itself let's talk a little bit about that and what for you what sort of brought you to that as a specific top topic is it simply did it really just come out of the anger stuff where you just kep it really did um one of things I tell people is you can tell the most about a person's psychological healthiness or lack of when you watch how they manage conflict uh it's really easy for me to be nice to you when you and I are agreeing on everything uh but when you and I don't agree and when we have strain and tension that's when we get to find out how healthy we are when we talk about that obviously the emotion that goes hand inand with conflict is going to be anger and when I say anger strain tension agitation annoyance irritability all of that and then one of the things that begins to emerge when you're in that conflict is healthy individuals will say well what I'd like to do is Terry I'd like to sit down and talk with you share with you my concerns I'd like to hear yours and let's see if we can have a nice meeting of the mind so that we can move on down the road knowing each other more fully and having better coordination that's what healthy anger would look like right and and and I'd like to think of as you and me personally you and I could say sure we'll do that and we would we would make it happen when you just describe it simply like that though so many people can't go there and and then the question is well where did they go and that's where the narcissism comes in I'm sure you're familiar with Eric from uh the the psychologist who he he was he wrote heavily about narcissism he popularized the ter malignant narcissist his belief about narcissism runs very parallel with mine or I should say mine runs parallel with his right um he was before me but he says it's it's basically The Human Condition every one of us has some level of selfishness I mean going way back we all have some level where we try to control sometimes inappropriately uh we all have some moments where we don't really show empathy as we need to there are times when we can sometimes think exploitatively there are times when we can uh uh want to be superior and we get caught up in judgments it's The Human Condition and healthy individuals will see it they own it they take responsibility and they contain it and so uh it it doesn't really run away with them unhealthy individuals it's like let me see how far I can go with this but like I say when when conflict shows up that's when you're going to see the level of maturity or not the level of self-awareness or not and it's going to show up in that kind of time it's interesting though because I love the idea and I agree with what you're saying and that you know you know we all have possess the these qualities these capabilities but we also possess the ability to overcome them to change to transform to grow to be better to admit we made mistakes to whatever where when you come to narcissism you don't really have that ability to admit those things so I wanted to talk about this video that you created in 2020 and it was eight questions a narcissist can't answer I have the questions in front of me and I just thought that that we would really enjoy the my audience would really be interested so let's start with the questions um I'll I'll ask them and how about you just fill in the blanks for us all right you got it so first question is if you're asking this to a narcissist you would ask them what are some of your deepest hurts okay one of the things we know about narcissism is they are scared to death to be become emotionally vulnerable and so when you say I can tell you're hurting or you're struggling aren't you well somewhere deep in their past they came to the conclusion if I start talking about that this is not going to end well for me and so what they'll do is they'll they they can go into denial they can say ah no it's not that big of a deal or more commonly they'll go into blame reversal and they may say well if I'm having some problems it's you and I wouldn't be dealing with this if it weren't for you being inappropriate in the first place but when you just say hey look I know you're struggling I know you're hurting I know you have your difficulties let's talk and somewhere in their psyche it's like Oh no you're not going to pull that trick on me and and you can see then that it it implies I don't trust there's a type of paranoia that they have and so any re ation of a potential weakness is going to be perceived by them as you're trying to get me aren't you and and you can see that they're actually seeing in you the games that they play themselves it's classic narcissistic projection because because they play games so uh when you ask would you tell me about what makes you feel hurt it's like no I don't do that and and they have their pathological rationale for thinking that way right okay so this would go along with the second one which is asking a narcissist why is it so difficult to admit flaws and mistakes I I want you I want you to go back to when you were a little kid when I was a little kid let let's well I have a five-year-old granddaughter and let's say she draws a picture and what's the first thing you're going to say when she says hey Pops let me show you my picture well you're GNA say something like oh that's excellent that's really pretty that's great and the kid learns over time okay so when I do something someone else is going to be out there and they're going to pronounce a judgment this is good this is not good this is excellent this is mediocre and uh it's not just drawing a picture it's doing your spelling words it's how you look today and kids grow up knowing there there are plenty of judgments out there that I'm going to be on the receiving end of I sure hope it's going to turn out good for me and you know when it's balanced and when it's done with kindness then that's uh it becomes rather innocuous narcissist grew up knowing whenever I show up there's going to be some sort of grading system I'm going to have to figure out what's the correct answer so that when you ask me what about my flaws or what about my pluses and minuses I'm G to give an answer that's going to make me look pretty good because you see I have to have all a and I have to have everything just line up correctly and so when it comes time to say well you kind of flunked on this one over here didn't you it's like no I didn't so they they they want desperately to let you know well I'm not just in the top half I'm in the top half of the top 1% so they must come across as Flawless and uh and they're they're terrified when they think that you're on to them so it's so much it's it's so tightly tied to their fear of receiving a judgment that's going to be not favorable and by the way with little kids one of the things and you know this because of your word instead of just giving grades at every time every turn of the page give descriptions you know when my granddaughter G shows me a picture I might instead of saying that was excellent I might say something like well today was red was your favorite color wasn't it and I can tell that you were really using a lot of that or another thing she may say hey I I I made an A on my math and I may say something like I'll bet you when the when you got your paper back that made you feel really proud didn't it you describe what they feel as opposed to just giving them yet another grade and but narcissist like no it's all about the grades and and they don't learn how to go into that self-descriptive kind of mindset got it yeah makes sense the the third question to ask a narcissist that they can't answer according to you is why do you feel it's so important to impress strangers I couldn't remember where on that list it was but yeah narcissists um are incredibly shallow and um but at the same time uh they they they've got to have these pads on the back you and I can go over to you know someone else and say you know I'd like to kind of they like to do some humble bragging I'd like to kind of share with about how I helped this little old lady over here you're going to really think that I'm a really nice person aren't you um they'll they'll just manufacture whatever means they can to get PS on the back people that have been around them for a little bit too long it's like I see through your stuff but it's like this person doesn't know me and so they may say something like well yeah I I I really you know I'm I'm really fortunate that I have a Jaguar that I get to drive or I I know you know Mick Jagger and he and our buddies and so anything and everything that they could say to make them look like they're somebody uh they're just craving not what we call narcissistic Supply they want to be adored they want to be admired they want to be seen as top shelf and so yeah if you show up and you don't know the score okay you'll do I can just fill in all those blanks and make me look nice yeah so exhausting though when you do know a narcissist and you always hear them just just blow hard about their all the things and all the people and the name dropping it's just so you're just you get over it you know what I mean where you're like I was impressed the first time and now I'm like I definitely don't believe you you know you know and and you know how this works um the people that I'm drawn to are those who uh they can use self-deprecating humor sometimes or they can say yeah that was not my finest hour or I didn't exactly do this correctly and and and and they come across as being regular when that happens it's like oh I can relate to this person um right but the narcissist is like but I'm not regular I'm better yeah I'm definitely not regular so so the fourth question in the eight questions narcissist can't answer is why do my differences threaten you so much narcissists like to be in control and so when I say hey Terry let's try this and then you say but that's not where I'm at today I I've got some other kinds of um preferences or I have some something else on my calendar the narcissist is going to hear you're rejecting me aren't you what what did I do why why are you so down on my case and you would be there thinking I just said that I I I don't have the same preference or I just have I don't have same interpretation or need or whatever or my calendar is not working the same we go back to that paranoia they have such a need to to have that acceptance and to be in the favored position that any deviation off of that implies uh you may be thinking some less than wonderful and flattering thoughts about me I I I don't do that and so your difference is interpreted as rejection it's amazing they go to that space But that that shows the pathological insecurity they carry it's so interesting I would say to my therapy clients like they're dating someone and I can start to I'm starting to see signs of like love bombing and like like the person they're dating is just accelerating this timeline where you're like whoa like why is it all going so fast I would say you know how do you feel about that well I don't know it makes me nervous they'd say and I'm like okay well you know this is how we're going to see how they respond and who they might be is you're gonna tap the brakes a little bit on something they're going to make a plan for a dinner on Friday night and you're going to say you know what I actually had aali in for lunch do you mind I'd rather go I'd rather have us have Japanese tonight and you're going to see how they respond because if they lean towards the narcissism they are going to be pissed that you are not letting them lead not doing what they say you're like your preferences is getting in the way of their plan for how it's going to be and if the person is not that they're most likely going to go oh you had Italian for lunch we don't need to go do Itali we don't have to do pizza tonight we could do whatever can I give you a perfect illustration along those lines my wife and I were going at we were going to go meet some uh some people at a Mexican restaurant down here in Texas that's what we do I had a little bit of a headache that day and um so I told my wife as we were driving said I don't think I'm not have any alcohol tonight I just I'm just going to stick with water and so we got to the restaurant and the husband who's very self-impressed and and all the rest uh they were already there and he sat at the table he said hey I ordered you a beer and I said well if you don't mind I think I'm just going to pass on that and says well I've already ordered it and I said well uh good good for you that now you have two beers that you get to drink instead of one because I just I really don't I going to I had a little bit of a headache and I'm just kind of in the frame of mine I don't think I'm going to go there that night all tonight and you'd have thought that I slapped him in the face and I called his mother ugly and all the rest and it's like why is that such a big deal to you and it's like because I'm rejecting you as opposed to I have my reasons and my reasons are legitimate and I don't have to conform to something that's so small and so simple like that and that's exactly what you're talking about isn't it yeah it's so interesting where it's it's a personal affront yeah you you not going along with their plan just get get hop to it you you need to get in line for what they have planned and you didn't by having a headache and that was really really buming him out and you're like dude this is not about you you tried to do a nice thing I didn't it didn't feel nice to me because I don't want to drink but it's interesting how you can you can see how personal yeah they're taking it how personally you know um okay the next one is do you honestly believe that your opinions cancel out other people's opinions of course we know the answer to this and and of course they they won't frame it that way no I think it'd be interesting how many times have you gone to a that family gathering where there's 15 20 people there or there's a social group and there's that one person that always has to be right and whether it's about politics or whether it's about you know the movie that we saw or how to handle your teenagers or whatever it might be they're just going to be these blow hards they going to explain to you how things ought to be and then if you come along and say well uh actually I think a little bit differently than that in their mind it's like well uh I have good news for you I'm going to be here to set you straight because you're in the presence of greatness I mean that's how they think of course they won't put it quite like that but they have such a strong need to to be in control and that's one of the the central features for what we're talking about with narcissism and it's not as though they're just going to control money or schedules and all which they will but they actually want to control how you think yeah and uh and so if you have an opinion that's not the same rather than thinking you know you have a different ethnic background for me so obviously you're going to have a different context that you draw from or you have a different set of Life Experiences for me I think it would be interesting if we could put our thoughts together and find out how you arrived at your conclusion and how I arrived at my conclusion we might learn something here The Narcissist is like I already know everything I need to know and like I say You're going to be a lot better off when when I fill you with me I'll fill you in on how it actually is um okay the sixth question they can't answer is in what ways do you need to grow and change yeah of course when I wrote that it's like I'm I'm talking more about on a personal level see when when you ask in what ways do you need to grow or change immediately here they they they take it in almost that paranoid way like did you notice something about me that was wrong yep yep and so the implication is well who said I need to change yep Y and they they think so competitively and they think in such strong control um elements that uh that if there's a suggestion that this is incomplete or you don't really have everything right uh in in their minds it's like but I I I I've got it all figured out and you know there are some people that uh when it's when the sky is blue out there well if they say it's orange it's orange and it's like but it's not yes it is according to me when they have these strong opinions that they want to foist on other individuals and they they just can't seem to uh to accommodate anything different that's their pathological insecurity again and it's their way of saying uh I I don't know what to do with diversity I certainly don't know what to do with complexity that that's that's beyond my pay so why don't we just do this black is black white is white what I say goes what you say does not go end of discussion and that makes things a whole lot more simple for me right right you're like just just do what I say and we'll all be great so the last two the last two questions in that video were more about I think a narcissist in treatment so if I you know the seventh one is if I make you feel so frustrated why do you come back yeah in treatment is it was that in treatment no just in relationships in general oh got it got it so um here the narcissist makes it clear you're just driving me crazy and yet they they they'll come back again the next day and they'll ask you about stuff narcissists are in search for Supply right and they they want to know that uh that they're better than which means that they have to have somebody that's less than and that's where you come in and so it's it's almost as though they're thinking well okay I I know that I I'm I'm surrounded by a lot of idiots but I I guess I'm just going to need to go back and and show them how good I am and then when they even when they get frustrated it it makes me realize how unique I am I mean their thinking is so Twisted but then why do you keep coming back and the answer is I I like pounding people yeah and and I like showing my dominance and showing how smart much more smart I am and so and they they like to pick people who they think are going to be lackies and flunkies and so when you say well but I I don't I don't wear that hat I'm not going to do that it's like well then we need to put that hat on you and and it's like well they're they're going to keep coming back until they figure out uh that it's just not going to work very well but part of what's interesting is that if you're not a narcissist and if you're someone who actually is looking for Solutions in your relationship it makes sense to go like if I'm so bad or if I'm so frustrating why do you come back because we're not coming from the point of view we don't get supply from conflict right like if you're a regular person who's looking to create a harmonious life or relationship conflict is stressful and exhausting so I think it really is this is a really important distinction to make that in that conflict lies the narcissistic supply for them this is what they're doing doing your pain is their supply your upsetness is their supply knowing that they have an impact on you right they feel powerful when they have't they can see they're having an impact on you and all of those things are Supply is that accurate would you say 100% yeah Terry one of the the things that I with jokingly sometimes say to people when I was back when I had my practice uh I would say you you realize what your biggest problem is when you're dealing with that person and that is you don't think like a narcissist actually that's a compliment in many ways right but just what you said I mean they're they're looking at you thinking this is a competition you're looking at them thinking how might we be able to harmonize and we're we're on different wavelengths here and one of the things that uh causes me and people like you and some of the others to to say you know we need to educate people it's because well you it's going to be essential for you to know how they think and how they process uh so that you're not caught off guard and you don't get suckered into all of the shenanigans that they want to pull you into absolutely um all right the last question is why do you go silent so why does a narcissist go silent two reasons one is uh it's kind of like sometimes they decide U if I do share who I am I don't think you're going to buy it and so that it's it's their way showing a frustration uh you're you're not going along with me two though and this is very common um silence is punishment as far as they're concerned yeah you know it's like all right what I'll do is I'll just withdraw the greatest asset you have in this room which is me and uh I'm I'm gonna punish you by not engaging with you so then if you ask hey tell me about what you think or feel they just I don't know I don't care and so just their way of saying uh I I you have now fallen into my disfavor yes indeed okay so that was super helpful it gives people who didn't have an idea more of an idea or things to look out for as you said for people who aren't that familiar how do you define narcissism and what are what do you think are the most common misconceptions about narcissism well we often think of the narcissist as the person that uh is loud and and obnoxious ious and just so you know look at me look at me I mean sure enough that would be it what we don't realize is there are so many different ways that it can be displayed first of all when we talk about narcissism we're talking about high selfishness a high need for control manipulative and exploitive tendencies uh a desire to uh to be on the superior end a low willingness to empathize um you know the a need to be admired and sometimes I can come off rather covertly uh some are smart enough or maybe the better word is Wy enough uh to realize that uh well if they show their cards right away they may chase people off so they can come across as pleasant sometimes and they may even ask you about your mother or about your background or you know what you did last week with with these other people and you you walk away thinking hey this is good but but the the problem with narcissism is there's always an angle and ultimately uh they have such a need to be superior that they don't see you as being someone that's going to be equal to equal what they're wanting is they're wanting someone to get inside their orbit with them and and think wow what a nice person you are and so at first they'll come across well and it's because they're sizing you up and the the biggest problem is well if you don't think that way then before you know it they're kind of putting their clutches onto you and you're thinking this is okay and then they can do a lot of the data Gathering they find out about personal things in your life and and of course they kind of quietly think oh I just found out something negative or a flaw or a weakness or a this is going to work out well for me and then when the time comes here here it goes so there's this um behind the scenes manipulation that they have that frankly they're not all that psychologically aware of it's much of it is just so habituated in them and if you call them out on it they'll say no that's not the case right then on your end if you don't think that way then it it just doesn't even dawn on you to think well this person's probably going to try to manipulate me when the time is right I better be careful about that and so that's what I mean when I say we don't think like a narcissist yes and and I think that you you pointed out the really the top misconception that I see is that people really think that if it's not like the person who's like oh grandiose and big and hogging the proverbial mic that's not necessarily what it is and I think the covert nerk really can be so tricky because they act they can even seem insecure like there's all these ways that especially with codependence how we can get so sucked in with someone who feels you know that they might be socially awkward there's all these other things that if we're just looking at the most obvious overt narcissism we would never look at covert narcs and even be able to identify them and yet they're just as dangerous to your mental health and just as bad to be in a relationship with would you agree yeah I I wrote a book a few years back um called when pleasing you is killing me and it's it's the backside of narcissism it's the backside of being on the receiving end of someone's anger many times when you've been in the um the presence and engaging with that narcissist you can walk away thinking you know I don't really think they care that much about me like they want me to think that I do or it may be that uh it's like I I tossed out something that was really exciting that was going on with me and they just said yeah then then it reminds them about what they're going on and they hijack the conversation or I I sure to get a lot of advice from that person that I didn't ask for and over time a certain kind of discomfort begins to creep in and and I know Terry that you're right down the lines with this with all of your message about boundaries when when you have those thoughts that are in your mind listen to it yes because it's trying to tell you something and listen to what your gut is telling you because um sure enough over time you're not going to feel like there's a Level Playing Field here and it uh and ultimately they're expecting more out of you than they're willing to give uh in reverse first indeed indeed it really it really becomes such a painful Affair um I have a question for you that I like to ask my guest at the end of the interview okay so Dr Les Carter personally what has been your most challenging boundary struggle and how did you overcome it if you have I grew up with a whole lot of Thou shalt and thou shalt not and um over time it's like I got so old and uh and uh there heavy opinions actually my father had some anger issues and then his father had some anger issues and then my great grandfather he was so scary that nobody would let him come around and so it was uh as I became an adult and I as it became apparent that I had a much more expansive way of thinking and I I I there there would be people that would be different for me that I would say how may I love you or there would be opinions that I would have that didn't bit uh the mold then I would hear about it and uh particularly as as the years would go by and so there would actually be times when I would sit down with my father and I would say hey look I know that you and I aren't on the same page but um the least I could ask is respect where I'm coming from because I I hope you know that my heart is good and and he would say something like yeah yeah yeah I know yeah I mean you're the best in all of this so the next day back to the drawing board all over again right and and uh and I don't want to disparage him and make him sound like he was an awful person but there would just be times when it's like I'm not getting through and my wife and I would have conversations and all and over time it's just like well I'm just going to go ahead and say this is that radical acceptance rather than being shocked or rather than thinking that it's my job to make recompense or make everything clean and all it's just like well one one of my biggest things is I say if you're going to live with a narcissist you have to learn to live with a certain amount of ambiguity and you have to learn with a certain amount of um lack of completion there and uh and you have to drop on your inner strength uh as opposed to thinking well if I can get the outer stuff right then I'm going to be okay and so that's a teaching that I have but it's a teaching that I have that has been forged through many different experiences on that home yes and part of the part of what you're talking about is having a certain amount of acceptance for the limitations that the people in our lives have and deciding does that mean I don't talk about important things or does that mean if I know we have a difference of opinion I don't I don't bring it up or I don't talk about it like we have different choices that we can make once we start accepting that the people in our life especially parents have their own limitations as do we you know it and personally uh it it was like I don't want to put guilt trips on him and and say what you want to know why I was attracted towards anger management because it's it's a Carter trait that I don't I don't want to continue to to perpetuate you know I could say well you did this and you did that and actually we had some pretty direct conversations but then it's like I say the next day back to the drawing board and so it's like okay um part of boundaries is not getting the other person to understand everything yep part of boundaries is despite the fact that we may not understand or agree with each other I'm going to live inside my well-conceived ideas anyway and I'm going to live inside my preferred directives and let's go from there if you understand that would be wonderful if you don't I'm still going to be me and what I like about what you said though is that there was a certain amount of just asking for respect right so it's like we can agree to disagree and knowing that you have a right to disagree um I want to say thank you so much for coming on the show it was super fun to tell our people where they can find you well uh I'm on YouTube If you alluded surviving narcissism YouTube channel we have a website surviving narcissism. TV it's TV because we upload stuff on there I got my Dr lesc carter.com but they're all kind of Interlink with each other and so you you'll find me out there yeah YouTube is is actually a great place to go and find Dr Carter because there's he's got a lot of really just juicy stuff that I know you guys are going to love but thanks a lot Dr Carter for being here I really appreciate you oh Terry thanks for having me I really appreciate it

Channel: Terri Cole

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Keywords: boundaries, codependency, setting boundaries, healthy boundaries, healthy relationships, high functioning codependency, overfunctioning, overgiving, overdoing, boundary boss, relationship expert, relationship tips

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Length: 38min 0sec (2280 seconds)

Published: Thu May 30 2024