Solar FREAKIN Roadways, are they real?

solar freakin roadways what are they their solar freakin roadways solar freaking roadways I mean what a great idea to replace all of the roads in America with smart technology it's technology that replaces all roadways parking lots sidewalks driveways tarmacs bike paths and outdoor recreation services with solar panels and not just lifeless boring solar panels smart microprocessing interlocking hexagonal solar units and they can generate electricity from the Sun and they can make the roads light up with different patterns such that Hubble would seem like Tron LED lights under your feet it's gonna look like frickin Tron out there but real because this is the real world oh yeah they've raised over a million dollars for this on IndieGoGo what possible downside could such a project have well there's an old saying that if things sound too good to be true and they probably are let me explain you see the main thing that roads to the one property that they must have and really can't compromise on is there must durably provide traction the heavy rubber wheeled vehicles in all weathers now that's actually a very demanding requirement and so bus you might expect roads frequently need to be repaired indeed as everyone in America will know summer is basically road mending season and to anyone who's actually seeing to build for these things I don't know that even cheap highway repair is bloody expensive so now rather than just merely destroying road service which pretty much has optimum requirements for this they want to replace it with these expensive high-tech glass bricks well let's start with the obvious what are the traction properties well they claim the traction properties are okay and I can believe that you know rubber one glass that's probably not too bad however I suspect that the traction properties when this gets wet or dizzy might be somewhat subpar they're covered with a new tempered glass material that's been designed and tested to meet all impact interaction requirements and I further suspect the driving on glass bricks in wet weather will be suicidal compared to driving on blacktop because blacktop or asphalt has a lot of spiky areas that provide traction and also make the material quasi porous allowing the water to drain away from the very top of the road surface but they claim that they've made a glass surface so rough that it ripped the boot of the British pendulum tester that were using to test traction which would mean that a coward easily stopped on it well yeah I've got my doubts about that I mean firstly because hard cheese on such a pendulum tester would also probably have comparable traction properties that doesn't mean that you could stop a car going at 80 miles an hour on it secondly even if you could roughing up the glass surface enough to give suitable traction properties to stop a pendulum tester in the lab once that's still almost pointless in that you want a road surface that you can reliably stop on in the wet four years and fundamentally glass is a pretty soft material how long do you think it will be before it's worn smooth and what will its traction properties be like then but but they have a demo where they drive a tractor on this test bed well good for them but look the tractor is tiny really really tiny and it's driven a few yards or once let's see how this fares after having one of those big tank trucks driving over this for a few years and see how it fares but more importantly have you ever wondered why we don't make roads out of hexagons anyway the first problem is that as tiles get too big they tend to crack in the middle and then of course the water goes through those cracks you can slowly waterlog and erode away the foundations of the road and that's one of the reasons why things like asphalt is great because they provide a waterproofing surface that keeps the road water proof and stops it getting washed away by the rain and secondly as a vehicle will roll across such a tile you'll get differential loading which will cause the tiles to slowly work their way loose sure these processes can take days months or even years but these are some of the reasons why you've never seen a freeway made out of tiles look blacktop has very good properties for making roads from it's essentially a waste product from the oil industry we've been working really hard to use as many recycled materials as we can we'd love to hire recycling experts to make it even greener I'm very you know environmentally conscious good because solar roadways use as much recycled material in their production as possible yeah I've got to admit that really stinks first of all you can't make clear glass from melting ground-up colored glass secondly using ground-up colored glass would be stupid if opto transmission is something that you care about there's absolutely no way these folks have the facilities for large-scale glass melting recasting into different shapes and then kneeling Julie's a therapist I'm an engineer we have zero marketing skills we've never sold anything we don't know where to go from here so what is this couple doing shovelling ground-up colored glass into a wheelbarrow we've been working really hard to use as many recycled materials as we can plus it's bloody obvious at this point that they have no clue whatsoever that asphalt is one of the most recycled materials ever it's up to 99 percent of it being recycled is I don't believe we're going to have the ability to build asphalt roads in 50 years that's one of the reasons why it's relatively cheap and now you're going to replace that with these uber expensive glass tiles that which means of course that you're building and repair costs are going to go through the roof glass has some other downsides which I'll come to shortly but this could power the whole United States right those 25,000 square miles of road surfaces parking lots and driveways in the lower 48 states if we cover that with solar panels just 15% efficiency we produce three times more electricity than this country uses on an annual basis okay let's take those numbers 25,000 square miles which is about sixty billion square meters and a meter square of nothing special half inch thick tempered glass cost about three hundred dollars that means that just the cost of the glass that's not the cost of all of the electronics that goes into these things you know the micro processors the printed circuit board the Wi-Fi and the LEDs that's not the cost of the power system you know all the cables and the such like to go into this that's not the cost of the solar cells and that's not the cost of the manpower to bring all these high-tech features together in a manufactured product just the glass costs that's just the glass nothing else would cost you about twenty trillion dollars that's give or take about ten times the federal budget but but let's believe the technical details aside what about this powering the country well think about it a little more first of all even if you did bankrupt the entire country by building such a system it's only going to give you power while the Sun is up then of course there's the critical problem with energy transport at the moment one of the most efficient ways of transporting power is through high-voltage alternating current lines you know those big power lines and even if that your losses in transporting your power are about seven percent and that's pretty much as good as it gets you would now not only need to replace all of the road surfaces but would have the formidable infrastructure of changing the few volts you get off the photovoltaics into high-voltage alternating current and then build a high-voltage alternating current transport system that would go along every road in America I mean just think of the material that would take just think about the metal in the wiring alone and not just under the road I mean let me give you some ballpark figures here high-voltage lines alone cost about as much per mile as adding a completely new mile of freeway Lane and you will need something like that down all the roads in America us the roadways have two channels that form what's called a cable corridor that runs concurrently with the roadways to sell one part houses electrical cables meaning power lines data lines fiber optics and high-speed Internet which replaces the need for telephone poles and hanging wires that can be damaged during storms causing power outages which would all be fantastic if it wasn't for the fact that burying power transmission lines cost about ten times what it costs to have overhead transmission lines and even those o'clock in at about a million dollars per mile because otherwise generating power that you cannot effectively transport anywhere it's essentially just an expensive exercise in futility this is why power stations are a pretty cost-effective way of doing these things you have a power station and the limited number of high-voltage power lines to transport that power to a substation which steps it down to civilian type voltages as you don't need an infrastructure the size of the u.s. road network have you any idea of the size of the infrastructure you are proposing to build but America can barely keep its highways in order let alone maintain a power grid the size of the u.s. road system and on top of this all of their Road engineers would now need to be electricians as well but they have lights on that can do really cool things right pre panel has a series of LED lights on the circuit board that can be programmed to make landscape designs warning signs parking lot configurations whatever and it's a cool idea lighting up the roads in America such that they would look like Tron LED lights under your feet it's gonna look like frickin Tron out there but real because this is the real world imagine a highway road lighting up ahead of you how much safer it would be to drive at night well maybe but I think I've got a better idea yes better you see what you really want is just a way of lighting the area of road that the car is on so we could put Latin all of the roads in America which would require an equally large power system or we could let me just think about this yeah yeah I think this will work we could just put lights on the cars and then we only liked a bit of the road that we're interested in and even better we can put some cats highs in the roads such that you don't need any power for the road whatsoever and it just lights up the part of the road that you're interested in plus let me just say as an astronomer that the light pollution in the modern world is already atrocious and that I do like seeing the stars at night and I don't want night on planet Earth to look like a permanently lit up cheesy disco every panel has a series of LED lights on the circuit board that can be programmed to make landscape designs warning signs parking lot configurations whatever let's start with the obvious there is no way none at all that you would be able to see these LEDs under the full hard sunlight you know when these solar panels are meant to be generating the electricity so here I have some very bright LEDs which I have in white blue green or red and now I have them out in the sunlight for red green and blue and white as you can see once you get into the full light of day it really isn't quite the same thing to here at night I love a shade okay just once here now because we've got some cloud but as for how those to drive on you've got to be kidding me so how are people meant to drive on these roads in the day essentially without road markings indeed the only way you could get patterns like this is if you would say put liquid crystal displays into the road which would be so much more cooler than LEDs plus you can add touchscreen technology which would mean that the whole us Road system would basically become one giant smartphone I mean just think about the absolutely gotten a smartphone the size of the United States I mean sure the liquid crystal displays might stop the light from getting to the solar cells but solar freakin roadway what are they their solar freakin roadways but taking a step back to reality for a second first of all we only ever see these LEDs close up in the dusk from above let's be real what do you think the visibility these things will be like when you're looking at them at a very shallow angle in the road in the full daylight speaking of which so what if you can change the patterns almost all roads do not need the patterns changed on them like this and actually putting the lights in all the roads just so you can change them for the very rare occasion when they might be needed is a very inefficient way of doing things indeed like this hard signs are a much more cost-effective way of doing things than building light into all areas of the road now sure there are some urban roads we're having some dynamically lit road signs or roadways would be cost-effective like the dynamic traffic control measures they have employed in many cities already but I have real doubts for if in those roads it would be worth putting solar panels in as well they also seem to really like the idea of solar powered car locks just parking lots and major fast-food chains for instance you can use this to go all the way to Florida from here this is part of what they got the money from the Department of Transport for and it's also part of what they want the crowdfunding money for now this does have some advantages in that the way that you get off traffic in car lot is far less but hey let's be real there the renderings that they have of this solar-powered car parked so now we have all these great ideas right we have we hire our daughter's friend who's a graphic illustrator to do some drawings for us do some animations here's a panel all assembled the lights being tested this is an interpretation of what it looked like the renderings that they have of their solar-powered car parks have almost no cars in them which is kind of the whole point of car parks in the first place you know mostly during the day when the Sun is up and the solar panels could generate electricity they're going to be full of cars which means there's no point in covering the car park with solar cells and then it's empty at night when there is no Sun which means there's no point in covering the car park in solar cells I mean seriously how long did these people think about this this is exactly the kind of over the horizon thinking that has brought Idaho's own solar roadways to national and world prominence no kidding the economy is in the toilet do you realize how many thousands of jobs this could create and sustain talk about a hypodermic adrenaline shot to the heart of the manufacturing and infrastructure sector we can all benefit from this public-private partnership which will create jobs and lessen our dependence on fossil fuels that's right creating jobs yeah I'm sure it would but then again so we're building a bridge to nowhere or maybe more accurately a coal plated bridge to nowhere the real question is is that a cost-effective way of spending the money or bankrupting the country and I'm really not convinced that it is you know maybe something more practical like repairing the existing road system then of course there are part of this presentation that are straight pure unrefined [ __ ] you see roads are actually fairly good thermal absorbers than almost anything else no more useless asphalt and concrete just sitting there baking in the Sun roads are collecting Heat anyways and that's why roads in summer get very hot now they're proposing using these high-tech bricks to melt the snow was in the north the panel's use energy they collect a power elements to keep the surface temperature a few degrees above freezing oh my do you say that in the north like weather there's no much Sun in winter when there's even less Sun during a snowstorm weather there's even less Sun they're going to use that solar energy to heat things to melt the snow they're heated no more ice and snow on roads causing traffic delays accidents and injury no more shoveling your driveway in sidewalk no salt corroding your car or wasting tax money on snow remove and you can ride your bike or drive your motorcycle all year round oh she's just grade seven [ __ ] it takes a huge amount of energy to change ice into water that is to melt ice that's why we use snowplows and not snow melters that is the physical energy required to move the snow to the side of the road is far less than the amount of energy to melt that snow now the best amount of energy you're gonna harvest from these bricks is essentially what you would get if you paint the bricks of black almost like the blacktop road and no even with the best energy harvest you can go for a blacktop road it's still nowhere near as efficient to melt a good snowfall in winter but what aku say they're actually talking about heating the roads seriously heating the roads with heating elements in their bricks are you kidding me it takes a huge amount of energy to melt ice it takes as much energy to turn ice at 0 degrees into water as zero degrees that is just the energy to melt a unit mass of ice requires the same amount of energy as heating water at zero degrees Celsius up to water at 70 degrees Celsius that's three-quarters of the way to boiling I mean think about that rather than just moving the snow to the site of the road they are proposing using as much energy over the entire US Road system as heating that water up from zero degrees Celsius to three-quarters the way to boiling and that assuming that this is a 100% efficient system where they lose no heat to either the sub-zero temperature of the road foundation or the atmosphere the heating elements will keep the road surface snow and ice free are 101 so some ballpark numbers let's just take this one single freeway from New York City to Washington a couple hundred miles or kilometers that sort of distance and let's say the average snowfall for this region is about two feet a year that's about two-thirds of a meter and you go through the numbers and you find it just the energy bill for just that one Road alone would be about two million dollars per year this is the thing I can and again they say this is just some inventor guy and his wife and that pretty much shows through in their knowledge base which seems to be mostly electronics they don't have a clue about thermodynamics energy transport or road construction Julie is a therapist I'm an engineer we have zero marketing skills we've never sold anything we don't know where to go from here so we've come this far with just the two of us in a couple of part-time volunteers to enable our vision we'll need to build manufacturing facilities in every state in the US and nearly every country in the world and of course roads a very dirty places they get covered in dirt and oil and a solar panel covered in dirt and oil really ain't going to generate that much electricity and all of that dirt combined with the traffic movement is abrasive stuff it will just grind away a relatively soft material like glass I mean think about it this way dirt is basically really small rocks now you're going to grind that dirt against glass under the wheels have say a 20 ton tractor-trailer what do you think is going to happen yep this is just going to grind down the glass and make it smoother and slippier and more opaque really not so sure that these bricks are going to have a long life expectancy as a road surface and of course their calculations assume that the solar panels under the road are going to be as efficient as a top range solar plant if we cover that with solar panels just a 15 percent efficiency we produce three times more electricity than this country uses on an annual basis and I think that's a little optimistic look currently solar farms where they have essentially uninterrupted daily Sun you know in places like cow vanya we're eating pretty good you build your power station near where the electricity is going to be used such that you cut down on your transport losses and the cost of building the infrastructure desert ii areas in america you typically have no shortage of places to build something like that because it's the desert and not many people live in the desert plus they are relatively easy to maintain because you didn't build a road surface over the top of it i mean in many ways a far better variant of this plan would just be to build a giant shed over the top of the roads or top of the car park and then put the solar panels on that you get no losses from the bricks being dirty and absorbing the light you get to angle your solar panels so it's that they're much more efficient something of course that you can never do when they're actually built into the road surface plus you now have much easier uninterrupted access to your solar panels because they're not under the road plus you can now download the roads and it allows you much easier access to the blacktop plus all of your lights now pointing downwards under a shed which will cut down on light pollution plus now all of your roads are covered and they won't get slippy because they won't get wet or for that matter if it's over the top of a car park your car will stay dry plus now you can keep all of your road workers because you're still maintaining the existing blacktop technology and at this point you've just got to be honest that it would be far more efficient to just put your solar panels along the side of the road rather than under it so why is there all this bars around this inventor and his wife well fundamentally I think it's because people think that it's a really cool idea however it is notable that the Department of Transport only gave them a few smallish innovation grants and nothing afterwards early last year we saw the United States Department of Transportation put out a solicitation for some kind of paving material that could pay for itself over its lifetime excuse me we applied for it and we got it it was a phase one research grant but frankly most these folks are excited about this don't have the slightest Lu about the technical challenges of building the road or transporting energy or for that matter why we currently use the materials that we do this is basically thorium powered car all over again if you could make one it would be super cool you would drive for a hundred years on just eight grams of thorium if you're not a minor technical detail that it's currently technologically impossible and that it's never likely to be technologically possible then it's a great idea it's kinda you know what if we could build a pogo stick that could get us to the moon well if we could then it would be really cool it would be a cheap reusable way of getting to the moon this is exactly the kind of over the horizon thinking that has brought Idaho's own solar roadways to national and world prominence however a few back of the envelope calculations will show you that it's just impossible the materials simply don't exist now sure the march of technology and knowledge can make some of these things possible but a pogo stick that can get you to the moon is just outside of that envelope similarly here fundamentally the materials simply do not exist look everything here basically depends on giving material as good as asphalt the topping the surface of the road that is optically clear we're not talking about something you could park your car on for ten minutes or something that you can run a single lab test on we're talking about something you can drive your car on for twenty years and how it still be optically clear with the same physical properties as blacktop and that's the core problem this material does not exist nor is it ever likely to exist in a cost-effective form let alone one that you can make out of some few shovels of crappy ground-up colored glass and this point isn't even remotely addressed in any of their material nor is there any attempts to address is how they expect to transport the power that would be generated from these solar panels to a point where it could be used now invariably when I put a video like this up people who claim that I'm simply a porn for this industry or that and put simply no no I'm not and I'll tell you why these videos are openly supported by supporters of this channel through patreon and it's they who allow me to operate completely independently of any vested corporate interest it's that that allows me the freedom to call out popular or well sold [ __ ] wherever it's put forward no matter if it's NASA's claims about extraterrestrial life or powdered alcohol thorium powered cars or solar powered roads you know this sort of investigative scientifically literate reporting that you wish the mainstream media actually did and it's that independence that allows me to say that this stinks a high-tech a glass road made out of garbage with no stop tests seriously if you believed in the properties of this paving just do a emergency stop of some sort on it I mean isn't that the obvious proof of the pudding which curiously everyone seemed to overlook my guess is that even at modest speeds this would structurally destroy the paving and the electronics and this is long before you worry about the long-term durability or considerations about power transport sorry but what you heard here was not the voice of vested corporate interests but a reason document solidly based on facts telling you that sadly something that sounds too good to be true is you

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Id: H901KdXgHs4

Length: 28min 51sec (1731 seconds)

Published: Sat May 31 2014

Reddit Comments

[u/thatevilvoice2]

I thought I'd summarise his main points:

1) Just the cost of the glass paving itself would make this an extremely expensive endeavor.

2) Glass tends to very slippy when dirty or wet which roads often are, no tests have been shown for these conditions or an emergency stop in dry weather.

3) Dirt would act like sandpaper on the glass making it smoother and more opaque, simultaneously reducing its suitability as a road surface and lowering energy output (less energy reaches the cell).

4) Even super bright LEDs are difficult to see at a shallow angle during strong sunlight, this means that most roads would still have to have painted on markings anyway. It is instead much more efficient just to equip cars with headlights and place cat's eyes in the roads, some urban roads may need a dynamic road system but these are by far the exception.

5) Energy transport losses will mean that for any road surface that isn't near a point of use (e.g. a house), this will technology will be essentially useless.

6) These solar cells are not going to generate enough power to melt snow, it is much more energy efficient just to push snow off the road and grit the road.

7) The claim of the use of recycled glass is ridiculous.

8) Roads are not made out of separate tiles as a)water will filter through the cracks and erode the material beneath the road and b) vehicles rolling over the tiles will cause differential loading leading the tiles to wiggle loose.

9) It would be much easier and cheaper just to install solar panels above parking space and/or by the side of the road rather than underneath it.

[u/vn2090]

Big list of scientifically based reasons why engineers do not consider solar roadways a viable solution.

First off, please think of already much better, scientifically driven solar research areas that already deliver better results that can be found at your local tech university being done by scientifically literate, debt-ridden, starving, desperate graduate students. Go the following link to and educate yourself on the science of solar panel technology as well as the many think tanks that are handling these problems in more creative and better ways at http://energy.gov/eere/sunshot/sunshot-initiative

Google scholar searchers everyone should do before seriously discussing funding solar research http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=reliability+department+of+transportation&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_sdt=1,11&q=solar+panel+racking&hl=en http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=solar+panel+install+balance+of+systems&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=1%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=solar+pnael+install&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=1%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=solar+cell+efficiency&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=1%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=solar+cell+cost&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=1%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=glass+mechanics&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=1%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=thermal+effects+on+asphalt&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,11&q=asphalt+corrosion http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=road+reliability&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=transportation+level+of+service&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=department+of+transportation+road+maintenance&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C11 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=road+way+contruction&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C11

some wiki articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geotechnical_engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printed_circuit_board http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervious_concrete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrology

1. the amount of material needed to allow solar cells to work in an environment with such heavy mechanical action as a road way is orders of magnitude more than designing it to resist standard wind loading in the atmospheric boundary layer. Loading on a roadway is a concentrated load. wind loading is distributed. This is just from a structural engineering stand point.

2. The wear and fracture of the glass due to such constant mechanical loading is massive. Many roadways in the US see thousands of cars a day. Infact, small quantity energy harvesting through piezo and thermal means is a much more viable alternative as access to sunlight is not required and devices can be built under the asphalts "wear" layer. However, such concepts are still not worth the investment of disturbing the roadway. Building a small solar system on the side of a road way is a much more realistic alternative and is the reason we see this for powering emergency phones and parking meters.

3. On a road surface, sand and clay will obscure light from reaching the the contents of the panel at a much much faster rate than is seen on a standard solar panel.

4. road ways are difficult and more dangerous to perform construction projects on. This is an intuitive fact. You are more likely to be hit by one of the many cars whizzing by if you are on a roadway than if you were not on a roadway.

5. Manufacturing of integrated circuit board technology to withstand such thermal and mechanical forces requires electrical components and chassis that are much, much more intensive to design. Asphalt design is already a very intensive science that involves complex understanding of geographical climate, soil, and reliability. The impact of corrosive effects is already a complex chemical system that has had decades of research and investigation.

6. The environmental impact of introducing electrical components that are used in the design of most printed circuit boards would exponentially introduce more green house gasses through their production.

7. Theft would be a very serious threat for so many miles of roadway to be covered with, what would be an unimaginably advanced technology if implemented. A police state would be needed to maintain such vast amounts of solar roadways. It is equivalent to saying that in 5 years, the US government is going to install an iPhone ever square foot of the united states. They wouldn't last long.

[u/azz808]

My FB feed was full of people eating this up.

Good to see someone explaining why this is Kony 2014

[u/idontknow394]

I have yet to understand why these guys have such a hard-on for road solar panels. If any country desired to make a massive infrastructure investment in solar energy it would be infinitesimally cheaper to use empty land instead of ripping up existing roadways, plopping in these panels and hooking up all the high tech electronics associated with this pipe-dream.

[u/[deleted]]

I didn't really believe the kickstarter's commercial when it was substantially the same marketing strategy as the Ford F-150.

[u/Dr3vvn45ty]

I said it before, got downvoted, and I'll say it again.

People will steal these things.

Regardless of whether or not they work, people will steal them, break them apart, and sell the pieces. You can sell the glass, LEDs, copper wiring, and probably even extract the copper from the plastic boards.

I hate to be negative about a potentially innovative idea, but people will steal these.

[u/t0f0b0]

I don't know. My trans-orbital pogo stick is pretty cool.

[u/Denog]

They're trying to solve a problem that doesn't even really exist by doing something unnecessarily complicated and expensive. The roads work fine. We have a relatively durable, maintainable surface. We have reflectors that don't need energy. We have signs and lighted signs where necessary. We have solar plants where they make sense and can have transport energy locally.

Sometimes the simplest solutions are best.

[u/Uptonogood]

Wait. People needed to be explained why this was bollocks in the first place?