Sean Evans of 'Hot Ones' 🔥 - Best/Worst Guests, Publicists, Khaled, etc - Jim Norton & Sam Roberts

what's going on Shawn how are you guys good welcome to the show it's it's amazing that uh you know did you ever did you ever have a desire because before you did hot ones you were a reporter like you were a journalist and you're doing interviews and everything but did you ever have a desire to be like a host type where it's this is my show yeah I mean I was a broadcast journalism major and grew up watching late-night shows Loveline howard stern's so there was always a part of me that thought maybe I could do this if ever I got the opportunity but then as you guys know it's hard to get those opportunities it's not like you just apply for that job but uh backed into it I kind of just taking advantage of every little assignment somebody gave me and then it sort of ballooned into this thing so in a lot of ways like I have right now everything I've kind of wanted to have and work with people that are amazing so in some ways that's true definitely getting the opportunities is hard but the beauty is when I've gotten them I've failed to make something out of it right that well that makes you feel better because you realize a lot of people stress about getting opportunities for you you know it doesn't matter if you get them or not this would have been done already anyway it's two weeks I've already [ __ ] this up in the pilot so how many pounds how many things are you done before this Q this is like so so successful with the other ones yeah do that this didn't work uh no what was usually just sort of straight Q&A interview stuff just packaging these digital interviews just over and over and over again doing stuff for print whether it's like digital or magazines or whatever but this definitely blew up but it wasn't is it wasn't like this straight out the gate big hit you know like our first couple of seasons it was really a struggle to get views and sometimes I was like wow I'm eating a lot of spicy stuff for for no reason no reason at all and it's probably really difficult to you I mean now it's easy to get guests I would imagine cuz you're doing millions of views but when you're not doing millions of views and you're just yeah ah you do yeah you basically have to trick people and you know early on that was the thing we would just show up if complex is doing a cover shoot with with an artist like Tinashe or something we would just basically crash that shoot and then say that we have this add-on we we have this show where we eat chicken wings during the interview would you be interested and then we were able to get a lot of people to just fall in that way by just going behind other people doing things and collecting those crumbs and then just sort of making this show work and it is a lot easier to book now but there's that caveat of having to eat scorching hot chicken wings which does turn some people off it still saps some people yeah I mean 50 cent for example that's somebody who I think was made in a laboratory exactly for our show uh-huh and I can't get him to budge you know he doesn't want to do it or is it the wings he doesn't want to do um it's you know whatever it's muddy you don't really know oh yeah that situation but like him for example you know but there's these white whales that we're always trying to catch and yeah even I think YouTube has a certain you know whatever if you're an established star maybe even think of that oh I'd rather do Fallon or Colbert or something even like the podcast thing that people still are kind of attached not realizing that YouTube shows and podcasts are doing the same numbers if not better smoking yes Moken some of those shows so yeah but I think that people are starting to understand that more and more and then that has all happened as the show's blown up so we've definitely benefited from that so you do like what's the pepper that they said you ain't that's like the hottest pepper Carolina Reaper that's the hottest one well the what's funny about these pepper guys is they're all like architects that are trying to make the tallest building and they're highly competitive and they're all over the world and they're all engineering these crazy peppers so the Carolina Reaper pepper was the hottest pepper forever and then some farmer and whales did like the Dragon's Breath chili and then the guy who grew the Carolina Reaper who also grows pepper ax which we have in our tenth hottest sauce he basically had this war chest and he was waiting for somebody to like dunk on him so he can dunk on him Wow he was ready yeah he was ready for it and maybe he is for generations and generations to come like who knows what's in the war chest but it's same with like all these guys they're all like mad scientists looking this guy actually eat the peppers that he makes yes like a snack like it's can he can you just pop it up like it's popcorn catch it in his mouth how do they determine how to science determine which one is a real of the hottest peppers it's just reaction or is there a way to actually tell so there is a Scoville scale which is a measure of capsaicin per unit or something so they can actually finest kale like you would voltage or whatever else so so for those that don't know I mean hot ones obviously is Shawn's show that's on YouTube and it's Shawn and he sits down with a celebrity and they eat 10 chicken wings that are progressively hotter and hotter as you know you do this like extremely well-researched interview you know the people are struggling to get through because by the time they get to wing number 6 or 7 everybody is tearing up at the eyes and everything you though you come from this world like we said of journalism and reporting so the interview part was something that you were doing before you got here but now like Jim is asking you questions you're kind of expected at this point to be an expert on hot wings as if that's the passion but you were not a hot wings guy before no or even hot sauce you know it's not like I had this ability to eat super spicy food and then was like this needs to be a shame you know that was never the thing you're just trying to solve for a problem like celebrity interviews are boring how do we make them not boring or solve for that hot sauce but that has definitely happened and we've seen the craft hot sauce thing explode because of the show in a lot of ways and going mainstream and now I feel like every time you pass a fast-food restaurant you'll see some new spicy fries or spicy Jen thing and so it's crazy I always thought people would be more interested in the interviews and like what comes out sure and people just want to talk about hot sauce and wings and take me out for wings all the time that's just what's happened when thrown up doing it yeah we've had we've run the gamut we've had people spit in buckets half pass out sleep in the green room afterwards who slept in the green room Coolio it was funny because we used to do the show actually a like a block away on 50th Street and it was in the middle of an office you'd always have people responding to emails and stuff and then riff raff in a peach suit would like throw his shoulder through the door make a sprint for the bathroom and came out of the soil in stall and saw riff raff just dry heaving into the sink so those are the stories that does make people sick yeah would they drink milk milk water well that's like the life line though right right ice cream people tire banks brought ice cream had charlize theron delivered white rice to the suite that we were shooting in you know everybody has an anecdote Gordon Ramsay recently stopped by Bristol Farms before the interview picked up lemon juice lime juice doughnuts everything the Gordon Ramsay one was great because Gordon Ramsay was at first and this is something that I think about when I'm watching the show and I haven't seen every single episode but I think Gordon Ramsay was one of the few that pointed out that the wing he was complaining about the wing itself right like not the sauce he was like there's no meat on this bone this is an awful chicken wing which is the most Gordon Ramsay thing you know right and we expected that I had a lot of anxiety about it the night before you know but is he one of the was he before that one of those white whales yeah definitely I mean right when we put up the first episode we had all the in the comments for from episode 1 until we finally got him the top comments would always be like get gordon ramsay gordon ramsay gordon ramsay and then that bled over into my real life i just be walking the streets I'd be in an airport and people be like when's Gordon guy when's Gordon Ramsay gonna be on the show so I felt like there was an albatross around our neck forever and then we finally got him and I think that he understood the same pressure because he was getting the same stuff if he sent out a tweet when he going on hot ones whatever and eventually the whole world pressured us into that room well you guys had to be happy with the way he came out I mean I was looking at sorry lady get them all and it's done 30 million views right so I mean it's really tough to say that it didn't succeed on every level right it didn't you know sometimes we know it hit you know it's like a singer that goes into the booth and knows when they have a hit sometimes we walk out of that room and we know that went well and we knew there'd be ridiculous expectations for it and we threw the kitchen sink at him and he was such a good sport when we walked out we're like that was really good internet how are the interviews to like I know you like to do the interviews so like do people tell you more cuz sometimes celebrities are [ __ ] weird with giving up information they don't want to talk always a fun project do you get more out of them because you're doing something else I think that you're trapped on the show and then every person who does press whatever they do the rounds as you guys know there's this PR driven flight pattern that everyone's kind of in and I think that the wings are disruptive and stimulating and then you're stuck this show and you're probably not thinking about your guardrails when you're eating some of the hottest chicken wings in the history of the world but at the same time I think that we're not even that kind of show you know like we're not really trying to poke the bear all that much because it's not a clickbait show really right I mean what's great about the show is that there's less pressure on you to get something newsworthy because the headline is watch this big celebrity eat these really hot way that's right and I think I think the secret of our success has been in combining those things because you already have this ridiculous spectacle super famous people eating scorching hot chicken wings on the internet and then hopefully combining it with this career spanning thoughtful interview when those two things go together I think that's why the show's lasted now a plus seasons how long the episodes how long in between each wing do people usually wait it varies person to person that's what's kind of crazy too because it's a revolving door of guests and then everybody handles spicy food differently if we all went out for curry after this you know Jim you might get through it no problem Sam you might be sweating your face off I might be puking in a garbage can next to me so you know we have some guests come in and they're like it just wasn't hot enough and then some guests just beyond like death's door so it runs it's a big range did that pepper when you ate that pepper what did they do to you it was like giving myself food poisoning for 12 hours it was insane it was so stupid and then I swore I'd never do it again and then I did do it again with the same dude chili Klaus but um we I remember that first time I did it I was like something is seriously wrong I went to a cab stopped at a CVS just bought a whole gallon of milk and then I went on my couch cranked DAC put on some basketball shorts and I would just be dumping the milk in my mouth and then just holding it in there till it was hot and then I'd spit it out and would just do that for hours so it can't do anything really [ __ ] up to you or is it just unpleasant I can do something [ __ ] up to you I mean sometimes I see these headlines because I our fans always tag me and I'm oh that's like whales man chokes on chokes on scorching hot pepper and scorches his lungs you know whatever like every bizarre I'm just making that up I haven't bizarre last in a summary he could have said anything genitals fall off I'm terrible busts on hot peppers Troy can you find that way man on the show so whatever there there are some things but I went to a doctor recently because I was somewhat worried it was one of these things where I didn't want to go to the doctor because I'm like they're gonna tell me I have a hundred ulcers and that if I do one more show I might die and let's just take away my heat you know right I'm like I'm gonna strike while the iron's hot mode I can't have a doctor doing that to me so I guess I just avoided it forever but finally I was like alright be a responsible adult I'm gonna go do this they hooked me up to everything I was like every blood test every scan everything that you can do you know and they hooked me up and then my doctor called me up totally clean bill of health so don't go out standing across the board so maybe they're making me stronger these wings do you go out of your way to eat healthy outside of this because you need to maintain yourself so that you can do this yeah this is a lifestyle at this point it is yeah you have to think about that and even the way the travel goes and whatever I think you have to take care of yourself more so people always think that I want to eat wings all the time they want to take me out for wings I'll go to this hot sauce Expo and everyone's like this is the devil's blood yeah everybody thinks that I'm just trying to up the ante every time I turn a corner but when I'm not working it's a lot of juice it's a lot of cereal it's a lot of just taking it easy yeah I'm sure the last thing you want to eat is wings that's all you eat if I'm off the clock I don't want to eat wings let the record show I like to put that out in the world people it's like me they want to tell jokes too you know like don't try no trust me I know a hot wing right or you know comedians that I'll bring a beer onstage or whatever and then everyone wants to buy him shot yes like that I have that existence well there's nobody help me for a meltdown that's why they buy the comic shots but they're hoping that you get drunk and [ __ ] up and it's a great you know they dope it for a Michael Richard set unless you're unless you're Bert Kreischer and you just say yes every time that's a good Bert it really is right yeah but that's when drinking is a part of your thing is it just doesn't affect you did he get drunk and say all right well that's just Bert's that's the first thing that spurts thing you know who got sick the fastest or who had the worst reaction to it well Eddie Wong famously started in reverse order to just subvert the form and that was a mistake that's come out as a cocky yeah it is cocky so he started at 10 so he was that was a crazy shoot because it was like we fired up the cameras and usually takes a while before people are like ooh and then you see the sort of step by step gradual evolution towards that but Eddie started with the first one so it was like we fired up the cameras introduced him then he's eating the hottest camera and all of a sudden he's doing laps around the studio asking where the bathroom is sweating his face off Wow so he thought he tried to get it out of the way and then work your way into something easier I guess hollering yeah yeah it didn't work it did not work at all so what was the episode when you knew we are really onto something this isn't just a hobby this isn't just a side thing like this is gonna be big right well like I said in the beginning you know when I first started out maybe we'd wake up it would just have low view numbers but the people who watched it liked it that's how I knew if we get more people in the tent this will be a big show yeah we keep the same people week over week over week who are like this is gonna explode this is the best show so that really fueled us early on and then the first episode that we ever did where we woke up in the morning it was five million views number one story trending blah blah blah was when we had key and Peele in and that was just something that worked I guess they were doing a press for Keanu I remember we crashed the junket shot with key and Peele put it out and that was the first episode that just totally blew up and then helped us level up and it's kind of just been a runaway train since that's amazing yeah do you have any and yeah I'm not gonna ask you for names but do you have any you said you know when it's like this is internet gold yeah do you have interviews that you've done and the whole thing's over and you've gone through all the wings and you're like that was a dud what are we gonna do with this I mean it's happened a couple of times a couple of times famously if fans are thinking like if a fan was in here they had talked about the DJ Khaled episode where he only ate two or three wings and then bowed out you know you're like no now he didn't do the interviewer he left he stayed there but he's like I'm not eating any more wings and I like DJ Khaled like the whole point is so you could do your catchphrases and eat very hot wings right and I knew being your tracksuit I knew right away that it was it was gonna go that way because when he came in he's holed up in the studio and he was just crushing slices of pizza so I'm like why is this guy eating pizza before yeah why you trying to code his stomach I don't know what the move was I don't know if it was a strategy or if it was hungry or what once a pizza but then he bowed out but to me I really liked that episode because it's such an outlier and it's so strange from a viewing experience perspective then like every other episode so I mean it does seem like it but there's a lot about dj khaled because most people try to come on and impress you and oppress the audience and want to be the ones that go far dj khaled is so impressed with himself he just doesn't see the need I almost respect you know which I almost respect yeah so you have to eat the whole wing or just part of it yeah we're not like the Olympics you know I think that if we started putting strict rules on it and hitting people with like the house rules and then introducing them and it would get like competitive yeah sure and then like who weighs the who's the referee that's like that's not enough of the wing to qualify so for us and people are all different some people you know we've had guests that are 70 years old and stuff like I wouldn't even feel good about them crushing who have you had on those seven Jeff Goldblum Jeff Goldblum is best oppressor problem is a young 70 that's crazy 70 yeah Wow fascinating guy sharp too yeah yeah so there's been so for us whatever if you take a bite you take a bite if you kill if you clean the wing the audience seems to respect that more yeah I mean I yeah yeah and I do like the people who come in who don't know anything about the show and are just like I'm gonna crush all these chicken wings I'm cleaning them all because they're taking it as a real challenge huh but if somebody comes in and they don't and they aren't like that and they're just giving the interview biting and still struggling you know if you just take a bite out of that hot sauce you'll really feel it so tell us it's not that important how much of the win you don't care it's more the reaction and if they're trying to do it right I think that if somebody nipples and they're like I'm cool I'm chill this is fine blah blah blah it's not even hot than that to me is kind of lame but right if they're at least trying I'm cool what is how what's it acceptable you said after three is no good what's an acceptable amount to get through with your like art this is a good interview even if he can't do any more i to me it varies person to person so i think that if you commit and you try and you're into it if you bow out at six seven or eight we have little yadi on the show and he'd never had hot sauce before in his entire life that's like I want to be here today because I've never had hot sauce in my life and this is how I want to do it which I think like one of our commenters compared to trying to learn how to swim at Niagara Falls and so he went in and he actually made it to eight which is further than most people who bow out in the show do so to me that was an awesome performance by lil yachty you know you can you know yeah yeah you can't mark him down my brunch ellipse that [ __ ] burned you get on your lips we need hot saw an imagined experience in that for the first time and a show under camera lights in front of a crew you know with the hottest of hot wings I noticed chicken wings in the world now when little Zayn went to the hospital and said it was for flaming cheetos did you hear that story I said he was eating all the flaming cheetah act in that and he went to the hospital are you going like this is not good for business if people are going to the hospital for eating flamin cheetos what is this gonna mean for wings I immediately was like this story's fake it goes to the positive for flamin hot cheetos and I think it's semi-soft right uh-huh a bag of flaming hot cheetos not a big deal I don't care where you're at if that sends you to the hospital then mount you I feel like you just felt unpleasant and panic get a doctor little Zen right so what xanax cool but flaming hot cheetos hot cheetos that's what puts you in the hospital part of me feels like he did not go to the hospital and flamin hot cheetos decided to pay for a story to break and that's everybody went with it that's what I think oh you think that that was a nice thing by the company yeah that was a that was a windowless room filled with cigar smoke situation yeah who's been the most competitive on the show like who comes in and you're like you don't you need to relax cuz you know me and you here you don't need to be like this well athletes all have the same mentality every time we have an athlete on they always have that even later we had I think next week's episode is Jimmy Butler and even when he took the milk he's like how much milk do I drink you know they're very serious I want to break the rules yeah I'm very serious about the rules and then even you see it in their face they're like form or you know it's like their doings there in the weight room there one more set there's a goal there's there's a way to achieve the goal there's a way to pace yourself and there's a mentally a way to hack that I guess for them yeah I'm not competitive like I just give up quickly in man-to-man competition you know I mean if I see the guy he's bigger than me like Rock and grind so you're sitting there you would be the DJ Khaled of this if you're like you know what this isn't as I thought you had [ __ ] I would I don't know I mean I would try to do more than three but I don't know I mean I would maybe not know if I just puked I puked but I mean I would prefer not to puke right you think you go it might happen really I don't know are you not good with spicy food I don't know I don't know I'm not a very sensitive stomach I'm very bad on planes I get motion sick I won't eat sushi before I fly I'm afraid of getting queasy and it's silly in the same way that athletes are competitive comedians are neurotic yeah right right that's that's what I've noticed with the wings now would you try to do you know Jim and I we won't spoil it for anybody we we filmed a certain television show that takes place in a bar that needs help recently and we did have to work around the fact that Jim it doesn't drink so we added we had to chew or something out we told them we arrived but do you would you try to say like look you know I'm kind of on a health kick right now I don't really eat wings is there something else no yeah just maybe maybe do like maybe like a deep-fried College salary on this place no you got to do it they show it but I don't know how many I don't know my stomach can be at times very tricky it can't it can't no I hate to hear that yeah but would you go full throttle would you push yourself yeah I would try of course you know anything I don't know how many I could do but I would try wouldn't want to be lame it's like you don't want to be but I'm not an athlete either I say to the surprise of knowing there's no reason to say that but I wouldn't I wouldn't be able to regiment it like I'm gonna do six or do eight you know those guys had the ability to push themselves beyond what I do that's why they're athletes as successful as the show is do you get like are there any points where you get worried like oh my god like all they need to do is just get some guy you can ask questions to need hot wings they're gonna replace me or do you realize you know the fans watch the show because I'm the host of the show like do you have that confidence or you like many of us that go I'm very replaceable and they're gonna figure this out soon it's a little bit of both where I think that anybody that's doing something in entertainment you always feel like you're going to lose it you never get it back but I also think this is my baby I'm obsessed with the show and have been since the beginning I mean that's pretty clear when you look at how it's like branded and how kind of big and beyond just a youtube show it's gotten yeah yeah I think that you know whatever if somebody wants to eat these scorching hot chicken wings and commit to the show like I do and then make it a better show then I would just tip my cap to that but I don't think it would have I don't you know Jim you know I'm in bow out I just yeah I'd hand over the reins but to me whatever I don't I've had such a freakish drive with this show and I've been with it since the beginning and I know it and I know the audience and the way that I spend almost like every waking hour whether it's travel whether it's research whether it's doing the show or in post the way that I just helicopter parent this show in the way that I've committed to it and I do have confidence in myself as a host and interviewer I don't I'm not worried about I wouldn't worry about that I don't think anybody to make it a better show honestly what are you a fan of because you have you have athletes musicians actors wrestlers comedians they've all done it in every interview is heavily researched like we just said and they're all none of it comes across like you're not informed about the person that's on and what it is that they do but what kind of of those categories is okay we're in my wheelhouse this is gonna be this is this is a layup well I think that part of what's made the show work is that I have a hobby with walking a mile in someone else's shoes so to me the process is a hobby and the hobby you know the it's both ways where I like if we're gonna interview someone and I know a week in advance I like that I'll listen to their album I'll read their book I'll watch their shows I'll listen to their stand-up I'll do whatever and totally immerse myself in that world for as much time as I have before the interview and I actually enjoy that I would do that for free you know and did do the show for free for a long timebut so to me that is whatever I'm into the process I like hanging out by pools when I'm in LA I like going out I like going I like hanging out with my friends i watch a lot of college football hype for the tournament you know I have those sorts of interests and hobbies but to me I just do love the process of the show and then just being intellectually curious has made the show I think that that's it's made the interviews authentic in that regard what made you want to do journalism at all like you know I think about this sometimes but I just started out by listening to the radio so even when I was in junior high to have tapes of Howard Stern listen to love line constantly every night I'd go home I'd leave parties to go listen to Loveland I think part of me just wanted a radio show I wanted to be like those guys my dad he'd watch Letterman every night when my mom was out on out on work trips or whatever I could like stay up late and watch Letterman with my dad and he would explain the jokes to me every time the audience laughs so I think that there was all that combined with you know that nature-nurture mix and I think that's why I pursued it I wanted to do broadcast journalism because I wanted to make videos on campus and have it go towards my degree and then took off from there what did your parents do my mom was a paralegal my dad's a judge so Wow Wow so when you when this show starts obviously it's not the thing right from the beginning but when this starts to become the thing how long did it take these people who have these high esteemed professions to process the fact that you're the majority of their sons income is going to be coming in from the hot wing a show yeah well it's a weird thing because you know my dad doesn't watch YouTube so to say I'm moving to New York to be on YouTube right cuz your dad sitting there watching Letterman you're like I'm gonna have my own show he's saying what channel is it on and you're saying the Internet yeah you know the thing that anybody can have a show on I'm gonna have a big show on that I'm gonna have a show yeah so he was just it was a bit of a head-scratcher maybe but he was super supportive and I think once we started getting people on that he knew like Ricky Gervais for example then he was like oh this is kind of cool and this is awesome and then you know when I was on bear because he was such a letterman fan to be in the Ed Sullivan Theater yep Colbert spitting milk on the stage at the Ed Sullivan Theater I think that was validating from me and him and how crazy is that if to not only I mean it's validating enough to be invited to be on Colbert show but he wants to do your bit on his show like we this is we've created a monster here this is it's Toth I think of it as ludicrous it's completely ridiculous you know there's a dumb idea that we had to see it grow the way it has and that was such a milestone for us and then I remember just the way they have a artist displaying the wings and how it's so you know there that those shows are really like a Swiss Army knife you know the way that everybody's working together it just it looks great it's like a kitchen in a three-star Michelin restaurant or something the way that everybody's moving around so even when they're laying out that table the way that the band was playing when you walk by and then we just walk to this table and eat scorching hot chicken wings and yes it was ridiculously saying if you find like a no-nonsense guy no he's got a good sense of humor and I think too I think when you're a judge I think it makes you because people always like Oh could you never get away with a lob lob lob but I got away with like a million things sneak out the house like whatever all the time because I think maybe when that's your nine-to-five maybe you kind of want to just go home and get your ass kicked by your kids and stuff you know you don't want to be regulating all the time when you were kid like who you like not worried about getting arrested cause your dad's a judge I well I think that I was just good at avoiding that detection I think I was I'm moving in the shadows or whatever but the funny thing is that friends would call me all the time you know when they got like scooped up with nothing or they'd be like calling the house back hey can you ask your dad but kind of not say it's me you know in these roundabouts like drinking tickets caught with weed or whatever they'd always call my house ask for legal advice would he help yeah kind of be like you know just casually yeah if you knew the guy yeah yeah did you ever want to do law no never and my parents didn't seem to want me to either how come I don't know I think realized that it was hard work and he probably isn't gonna pay off so yeah they never they never pushed in any direction that way they were just kind of there about it I want to be a lawyer a comedy first but then I was the guy that's never gonna happen so in high school I wanted to be a lawyer after an justice for all you know watching out Pacino my felt see a great job you know it's ironic you graduating from law school probably has less of a chance of happening than having a career in standing yeah you're probably about to be quickly when I dropped out of high school yeah my parents I mean they were at sea you want to think it's supportive but I know I looked on their face when I got into Syracuse the shock that was on the face of both him and their well yeah you gotta go let's go let's go let's go like they realize Syracuse is gonna figure out that they made a horrible mistake here clerical error we don't why would you get into this school yeah yeah they sent me away so it's probably the same thing they're like yeah you know and this this law school thing it's not it's not for you yeah or not you know you don't need to right right right what you do in journalism besides I know you wrote for a true was a travel yeah so that was my job after I uh after I left whatever after I graduated college I ended up working at this agency that did it's not super interesting but like out of market advertising for destinations and I was in Chicago so I worked for the Chicago tourism agency where we do if you ever go on a subway and you'll see like visit Montana or whatever and there's like a picture of a buffalo or something we would do that but for Chicago so I was doing that but then on nights and weekends and basically all my free time I was just doing freelance articles like just keeping my eye of the tiger' interviewing like local chefs or athletes whatever if somebody wanted to do a Derrick Rose feature or whatever I might be like the local guy who would do that so right I was just doing that doing that doing that ended up doing some stuff in New Orleans for all-star weekend where we had all these cool interviews lined up and it was right when Complex launched their YouTube channel so they were like hey can we just send cameras because we need to start uploading videos so can we put these interviews on camera and I didn't have any big dreams or anything I was like yeah that would be the coolest thing ever to just have a 2 Chainz interview on YouTube by God idea there and that would be the coolest thing that I did and then the cool that is good yeah and then they liked him enough to offer me a full-time job so I sold all my [ __ ] I quit my job left Chicago as in New York 30 days later and that was is almost like five years ago to the day so when you're writing copy or copy editor for these travel but you you have to get people interested in like one quick shot right you have to write so what are you write for Chicago that makes me go [ __ ] I want to go there well the key is the key is just go to Millennium Park take a picture of that bean thing and then just be like you're home now or something and then just put that in an airplane magazine and then you're good to go so and you did some of the day rejected weather like that's a terrible no one's gonna come here because yeah we used to do I think cago they riot it no I'd make whatever we do basically what you do is you do like ten different versions of the same thing and then throw them up there and then have somebody pick one and then you feel like you have four bases covered okay so you've done a little bit of everything yeah yeah how would you show the Willis Tower and then the Sears Tower yeah [ __ ] high right top did you ever go to those window with those things those glass things when you look down I can't do that one of my earliest memories is going to the top of the Sears Tower back when it's called the Sears Tower and taking that view and I do remember that and I must have been like three or four years old at the time but uh I never went in any of those boxes I don't think I have the stomach for that some of her hot wings not for that I thought it would be fine I went out because it's like it's a glass box like the little kids go in there everybody does and it wasn't until the minute you were there I was until the minute that I stepped in and I like collapsed like I could not your knees started to shave every stomach drops everything I had to hold on to everything around me but you step out yeah I did really quickly and then right back in it was really embarrassing you realize how much it would suck to fall that far do I read something about the jump I had actually figured that earlier that if they're seeing luck when you're seeing it it's like I had read something where a guy jumped off one time I know Chicago is so winning it took him like 12 seconds oh because the wind was so horrible just trying to think about something else on your way down yeah that's what I was thinking of as I was sitting there looking down it would take like 12 seconds yeah I love Chicago such a great place I know I'm talking about suicide you have a fun show have you had anybody that's done the show maybe even early on that kind of complained about it after like I don't do i why it's actually surprisingly shockingly usually a very positive experience more so than anything else I've worked on I think I think people think celebrities might be oh they're too whatever they're gonna turn their nose up or but I think most of them are just normal people that are like I'm killing these wings they'll push their team back a little bit sometimes I'm like do you need one AA minute I got it I got it I got it so even afterwards and uh what's crazy is it becomes this weird clubhouse where now even I'll have I'll still be in contact with people that have done the show a lot of people actually so I think if you end up building it like a it's like a buddy cop movie every episode is yeah yeah using what you have to go through to to get to certain people like onto Isis are very funny to me like you travel with one or two people some people literally walk around seven nine people yeah make up people the trainer and there's so many people to get through to get to that one / and when you're sitting with them they'll just like yeah just let's do it right they're usually easier to deal with that's what I find to even when we're trying to pitch people or whatever sometimes I'll talk to somebody like we've been trying to get you in here forever and look what are you talking about I've been wanting to do this show and you just realize there's gatekeepers that's crazy that's crazy I mean you want to think and it never happens but you want I feel like if I found out something like that where person was like I've been trying to do this forever and I go I have no idea I'd be furious at the gatekeeper right like I at least want to be able if it's a no let me say no I always think that about publicist I feel like that's like the most worthless job yeah in this in this place because they if anything the bad ones are automatic vibe killers yeah you know so I always that's I'm gonna pop on a publicist in this calendar year I'm saying yeah it can be very difficult because there's a time where it's not reasonable what they're saying like no we just want to do that and they're speaking for the artists it's like I know you're not representing that person right right they don't know you were even having this conversation yeah yeah and you'll be like I host this show trust me I know what people want to hear what they want to know and it's not anyone's goal to make anybody look bad it isn't that weird when like a publicist won't realize no the way this is gonna work is when we all look good and I'm gonna make them look good that's the whole they're here and it's all based on chemistry whatever this is that first time that we're meeting today and we have to create this fire between us this tree between us and then when somebody comes in and just messes up the vibe but even messes with that so I'm like you know if you would have just stayed home this would be so much because they interfere when they necessarily should what do they do to you they start telling you like we'd here's want to talk about this or she just want to talk about that or well don't make sure the divorce or whatever it is you know we don't whatever if somebody doesn't like wings could you interview them and then send them home no yeah I think that with us the guardrail thing usually isn't a major issue and usually if it's something about family or relationship whatever you should just respect it if you're gonna have your guests in any way but the things that I'm thinking about is early on especially I remember one person came in and they were like this isn't a phoner what about you know like that big star and they were they didn't even know they were going to be eating chicken wings that day if there was a phoner yeah [ __ ] [ __ ] and then and then so and we do our due diligence because we're always we always want people to know what the deal is reading skort you're not chicken wing because otherwise you're gonna set the whole thing up they're gonna show up this isn't what I thought it was I'm leaving and then they dip right yeah and you're screwed have you had anybody get I just use your term I've never said dip before you sounded really cool to shake and then to she's walking in with hot ones do we do this career-spanning interview where the plugs up front the front plugs in the back so we have it set up to where you know we have a lot of space to play and you'll always know that you'll hit you're sure talking point and we deliver this big long 25 minute interview to the world without commercials and everybody's happy so but I remember she's walking around she's like why isn't he talking about the movie what is no you know like that I could hear her and like you know what I mean it's just messing everything thank God for that room right there and Travis in there being our gatekeeper because he tells us and it's happened multiple times we're having a conversation like this right well we're not necessarily talking about the project but within the conversation our audience is becoming interested in you and we're gonna we're going to mention why we're all here but the publicist will be in talking to Travis and going they're not talking about the project are they gonna bring up the project they haven't mentioned yeah right it's like you stupid [ __ ] what do you think everyone here enacted ago yeah the director was fun oh that's fascinating right fifteen more minutes of that place you met the pranks you pulled on set [ __ ] that the publishers were the worse it is the worst the worst because they don't understand that like if people are interested in you they'll be much more interested in what you're talking about and what you're selling because they like you yeah and part of you being interesting is just having a conversation or whatever it's one hundred percent and the bad publicist really a bad the publicist stays out of the way a bad policies the vision some of them are good I'll say that some of them are gonna be they'll see the vision and understand that and know that and support that and then some of them don't I've had this middle of an interview okay you know walk up and look like and they put the paper down and they say what the [ __ ] are you did you do that who's on Conan right walk out right right yeah but good publicists know that most publicists are bad so like they'll hear this conversation and a good probably right on yeah right on yeah by the way you brought me a gift thank you what's the gift I don't know I didn't know about this um t-shirts I brought you some hot sauce oh thank you that's very exciting yeah I'll try it just take a swing no no I can't have to fly I'm not doing before plain smart yeah it will actually get sick yeah and nobody wants to be on a plane those kinds of issues you're already bad enough with your gut health on a plane I know Susan I'm gonna [ __ ] for twenty is there anybody that you've had on or maybe even haven't had on but interacted with where they will come up to you at this point and go like they're not that they're just saying I'm a huge fan of the show but you can tell they actually are like they have they're citing references they're talking about favorite episodes where you're going holy [ __ ] you're a fan of the show yeah that happens all the time and when it started to take off you know I always know because sometimes people walk in and I'm like hi I'm sure introduced in people back I know who you are I've seen every up like t-pain came in he was like episode 61 you know seen every episode it's funny that you brought up Burt early yeah because Burt was our first real famous fan who is tweeting out every episode well Bert's like so great because no matter how famous he gets he is the fan boy he's a fan boy before he's a comedian before he's a famous guy before he's a fan boy exactly and he's the and it's the best right so then we've had that whole thing I'm trying to think of other cop Tom Segura yeah you know I've been fortunate enough to keep a relationship with him going after this and kind of a person that go to if I needed advice on something so that's all been so awesome it's amazing you start to create networks right and it's crazy how the network just sort of like I feel like it was just all underwater and then it just starts to float and then you just see how low just here now yeah so you want 50 cent as a guy you really want who also somebody that you're dying to get on well the fans I feel like they've gone from Gordon Ramsay and then once we cross that off the list I've now brought out other names you know so I feel like I'm always just chasing that chasing my own tail trying to satisfy the audience right now big names are Elon Musk or rock or you know so those names that pop up all the time hot smoky think I'm Rogen I don't see him doing anything else risking a whole bunch of YouTube shows especially if you were like you know we like this we like to smoke weed when we wait yeah oh yeah me too what's this like a marijuana cigarette yeah but I thought I would take the joint though I bet he would do it he still would he wants to be cool he does but I I wouldn't be shocked to see the rock pop up on this show one time because we've been pursuing him forever one time I got a note that was like would Shaun be open to eating grilled salmon strips and I was like we're closed because that had to come out of his mouth yes you know so I feel like we've been closed what would you do it yeah yeah for the rock yeah I mean if somebody comes on and they're vegetarian or whatever will get vegan wings or oh you've done that before so well we'll meet people halfway on whatever dietary thing they have it's really about the sauce so the vessel isn't that totally I'm grilled salmon strips will be just as hot as giggling yeah grilled salmon strips soaked in hot sauce just as much and then I guess you'd do that for the rock you know but for the rock I would say of course yes I'm obsessed with the rocks [ __ ] Instagram its do it every Sunday is a cheap meal in sushi that's my goal in life I want to eat sushi squats he was doing yesterday on Instagram no oh my god what just the way you said it you it wasn't that kind of homoerotic to see his calves know what sorry that I'm not watching his food porn oh look at the meals he gets there I want to have sushi with the rock well I want to do squats with the rod watch over the rock no yeah they got it they got ton of weight on him and chains hanging down and everything his calves were I mean look whatever you obviously prefer the sushi pick would you go to him would you go to the iron paradise and do it if you wanted to what's the iron yeah Bob we should know if you're a [ __ ] fan of the rock whoa why you being so hostile do you know what the iron that's this portable gym it's pretty worn out all the time so he brings a nice set and everything so I got the movie lot he just dropped the paradise huh they had that I'm sure they built a former here he goes he has to have a gym and he can't just go to the gym he's the rock and probably he has very limited time to travel yeah I would say if if Matteo Lane can't go to a hotel right the rock probably has it he may have a place for in the morning before he shoots or 11:00 at night when he's done who knows whatever his schedule is but he doesn't have to worry about they might just walk in work out and go nope yeah you're just sucking up to the rock because he watched his comedy Netflix specials on his Instagram I know he does but bottom line is he he died I want to eat I've never met him you haven't talked you know but I've never met him he's if he is it infuriates me but he's a Jim Norton fan well well listen if anybody hasn't checked out hot ones yet I mean I'm sure that you're aware of it if not it's on YouTube first we feast is the channel but just look up hot hot ones well is Shack the newest one Shack is the newest one and then we have Theo von coming down oh that's great yeah that's a really good episode so we're headed for that one and then are there any do you announce in advance any other guests for the season well some it's just fans are kind of suffocating so if they know a guest is coming down the line then they'll just spam the current interview with like where is the audience where is that I see but we got a CEO on Jimmy Butler and then two more episodes in this season and then we'll start right back up again how long did you take a break between seasons like 20 minutes I mean you know like maybe 10 days feeha beasts right it's been so crazy I mean that's you know we started the show a little over three years ago now we're eight seasons 150 like we're nailing every Thursday at 11 a.m. for basically 34 years and you doing it's not like what you think you should do fine yeah I mean sometimes you get a little bit you know it starts to weigh on you know a little bit because of all the travel and sometimes the way the show works maybe we have a big bank where we've done a lot of interviews and ranked them maybe sometimes we got to catch up so then you start stacking them all in a week traveling all over the place they people give you [ __ ] suggestions like do you know how to get you to get the Queen looking at my Twitter you know but obviously the Queen or just yeah just ludicrous requests all day every day are you gonna do a wings restaurant I mean that's the move right that is the move a chain a chain of wing restaurants that's that that's aspirational yeah I would say hot ones whatever like fast food wings let's partner that's it so Leia I got I got all the connections no problem I go to Chipotle at least twice a week so it should be [ __ ] term did you see NBC had this I can't believe you just a fast-casual mbc had this reality show that lasted one season I love where you're going with this did you Travis and I up to this point I believe we're the only two that watched it three yes it was America's next great restaurant or whatever he was trying to make a restaurant and yeah the Chipotle yes and then what do you would always say whenever he made the rounds because they're giving feedback you know the judge is giving feedback you'd always like have you tried a fast-casual you know all he knew was Chipotle so all of his advice would be chip away related like have you tried serving this is a taco his only point of reference that everything is just what he'd done with Chipotle and he was so just laser focused that was just what he knew why did this show work I mean I loved it i day lasted the whole season that's a good show I think the final two I mean I remember soul daddy was the one that won and I think that the restaurant lasted like twenty second nothing yeah they always what happened on the pier they shot some career here in New York yeah it did it lasted no time at all nobody was one bunch service and then it was finished you know I did you'd think on that a show like that like every we're a big show on Shark Tank for example even the businesses that fail succeed right like they don't get a deal but the show is so big that they still succeed as a business but not one restaurant from that show succeeded Joey's balls or whatever it was that was yeah that was the kiss of death being on that show yeah yeah I wish I could find that show online or on DVD or just classic I don't watch every episode it was good all right there's three of us Travis doesn't it make you feel good hey this is true with the wood Nick is saying in New York to find out Nick in New York what's going on oh yeah guys Sean I've heard that hot black coffee cuts heat better than milk have you ever heard that or tried that I've never heard that people always hit me with antidotes all the time on paper I don't know about that you know I mean I'm sure that's true and then if they put it through whatever scientists yeah bet that's true on some level but if I'm eating a scorching-hot Deathwing I'm not reaching for the coffee maybe the acidity does something does it have to be hot Nick that's what I had heard the hotter the better a shot I'm gonna get a shot and I will report back to you sir but even like water they say water doesn't work but psychologically there's something about ice water that I feel like helps maybe they just [ __ ] with the personal you might I get way too hot hot coffee my face trust me helps that's it be good be good one more Jim and Sam catch up with full episodes and interviews from celebrity guests anytime on demand using the Sirius XM f [Music]

Channel: Jim and Sam Show

Views: 1,976,888

Rating: 4.8946896 out of 5

Keywords: Jim Norton, Sam Roberts, Jim and Sam, Jim Norton and Sam Roberts, Faction Talk, Sirius XM, 103, hot ones, sean evans, chicken wings, gordon ramsay, 50 cent, Jimmy Fallon, Stephen Colbert, Charlize Theron, clickbait, newsworthy, Chili Clause, DJ Khalad, Lil Yachty, Publicists, chipotle, the rock, Dwayne the rock Johnson, Fast Casual, Complex, Worst Guests, Best Guests, White Whales

Id: 0GnwXrGyNmU

Length: 48min 51sec (2931 seconds)

Published: Thu Mar 21 2019

Reddit Comments

[u/wookie_walkin]

this was great thank you ! i never would have found this

[u/sweetworld]

I'll never get sick of the joke that Coolio might still be sleeping in the green room.

[u/Watermelonwater17]

Enjoyable interview.

[u/sweatybeard]

I'd love to see Jimmy Norton on the show one day, he'd be a great guest

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Jimmy Butler confirmed next week's guest