Rob Moore GRILLED on Andrew Tate, Toxic Masculinity & Money Obsession

there are about 25 million men that would say Andrew Tate is good for society and that terrifies me in this interview I'm basically accused of being a misogynist for interviewing Andrew tap we should not judge a Woman by a man standards and we should not judge a man by woman standards but we are judging that's the problem then the market has been created by men it's not a crime to be a 44 year old white male either and this interviewer is a head hunter who basically steals people from other people's companies and I did not hold back about what I think about that why are you obsessed with money right this is my favorite subject make sure you watch to the very end and leave your thoughts in the comments cuz I still can't decide whether the interviewer actually does like me or really dislikes me Rob welcome to an leader so good to have you on the show take four take four yeah yeah it's great to be here thanks for inviting me into your home it's lovely it's got character and history and it's lived in is that just a nice way of saying it's messy no so what makes it lived in character the sunglasses have got their own place the shoes have got their own place the toys have got their own place so they've got a little bit of a mind of their own yes and and maybe 20 minutes before we turned up it was all shoved in there very observant of you thanks for inviting me here no my pleasure because you are the property entrepreneur I guess all of these small details are like very telling to you so you pay attention more to that would you say that um well when it comes to proper property that really was my business and that was how I made my I guess what you could say my fortunes on my Empire so this is a home not an investment property but um I love going into other people's homes I don't do it much because I'm not particularly social and I'm not just going to knock on people's doors but you know most um podcast interviews I've done I don't go to their home I actually think it's fascinating that um you've got your studio here I mean what if you had a really awkward weird interview with someone and they're in your home well I did think about that because when Harry messaged and said oh you know we might be a weirdo I've never seen him he's not on social media me no him I'm all over the place no you are but how would I know that he's associated with you right so sending my dress did feel a little bit yeah don't worry we won't save it in sa half we won't put it on a story on Instagram is it really you turning off today I wasn't completely sure you know but um no well thank you so much for saying that about my home I mean we've lived here for like 30 years so I've definitely lived in having to deal with deciding what you do with your property because you can get so attached do you have that or do you get attached to anything no no I get attached to the money because if I want to live in it I get attached to it I love you know I want a beautiful art I want the house laid out just how I want you know I want a Zen tranquil space to work and to be this is why you know when people say oh you should rent and not buy I don't agree with that because you know this is a nice and tranquil space where you can both work and you can bring people and do a podcasting wouldn't have wouldn't be the same if it was a rental so no my house I want to make a home but when it comes to making money what you want to make a home probably won't make money what you want to make money on is something different so I'll buy dilapidated stuff and do them up or I'll buy commercial and convert so if this was in let's say this was in the Town Center in Peterborough but there was a shop on the on the bottom flooor I'd buy it I'd probably either sell or rent the shop and then I'd convert Flats which obviously you see all around here in London um because it's a business it's not you know if you run a business with your heart it's very hard to make it commercially viable for the long term you can put heart into a business but if you let your heart rule rather than your head I don't think that's a good recipe talking about money so like my favorite subject is your favorite subject and I'm going to get to that so when you were when it was the whole Clubhouse rage I remember logging on I was pretty much like devoting my life to it but not as much as you yes so you weren't as sad as me is what you're saying every time I got like there you were and I have to say that at that point that's probably when I've learned about you and I have made like massive assumptions about you go then tell me them I'm fascinated I think I need to warm up a little bit um don't don't Riggle out of that one I won't do you know one need to get to know you a little bit more I can share I really like it when people make assumptions about me and then meet me because actually I try not to do that um because I think you don't know someone until you get to know someone I think you try not to do that but I think it's very hard not to because we so come on then what are these assumptions I'm going to get to them but not now I but you're going to forget you're going to forget no I won't but when I learned that you've written 18 books 19 now 19 books very intrigued I'm being I'm writing my 20th as we speak amazing so it's like somebody who takes the time and effort to write books which are mostly for the purpose of sharing knowledge or imparting helping people improve their lives I'm like okay that's that's interesting and I I get about like not making judgments and I try to do the same but I think it's impossible as a human being not to have some kind of bias or thought or especially someone who has anxiety as a trigger that could trigger some judgments couldn't it that's interesting that's very interesting and that probably plays into that um and you talk about the book that you have written that's your favorite book which is money so why are you obsessed with money so why are you obsessed with money right this is my favorite subject here's why I'm OBS well I'm actually not obsessed with money that's a a fallacy I was more obsessed with money when I didn't have any I don't know if you've ever been broke I have but when you're broke and you can't even afford food and you can't afford to go out and you're looking in your bank account all the time hoping that there's £10 in it you are obsessed but you're obsessed about what you haven't got which is money I'm not obsessed about money anymore because I've got plenty of it and I don't have to obsess over it so that's you know I have focused on money I've made it my mission to make money and tried do it in a a fair and ethical and sustain way so here's why I I love money and I'm go we talking about how to make it in a fair and a sustainable way was that important to you before you had money or is that something that you arrived to okay so um I think when you're broke it's okay to be a bit selfish I.E I just need to get out of debt I'll do whatever needs to be done you know I'm not not a philanthropist I just need to get out of debt but once you've made a lot of money you're not going to grow that wealth unless to help a lot of people you know in my formula for wealth um which is perceived Value Plus Fair exchange times leverage Leverage is the amount of people you reach or the amount of units you sell um and once you've become financially free or a millionaire or a billionaire then um you know making money become something bigger than just the money itself because you don't just need the money itself now some people it's power corruption and control but for many people it's Legacy it's giving back I mean Buffett's donating billions to the Mel Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation so I think when I became a a more than a million but less than 10 million net worth a lowlevel millionaire I was like this is nearly enough now and you know I could get a 100 Grand watch or a 200 Grand car and it it's nice but it doesn't really impact my life but I could use my leverage of my following on social media and I could do a charity raise and raise 120 Grand or um have done quite a lot of things for my Rob Moore Foundation at the same time though I'm we I just went to buy a piece of Tom York's Arts I don't know if you know radio head was one of my favorite bands and there's an exhibition I just bought a piece of his art um and Harry was like well you know you're not going to get a commission out of Tom York cuz he's just not that kind of guy and he said you know but I bet you'd do a commission you know for the right money you know for 10 million would you copy a Picasso from a billion there I wouldn't copy a Picasso for a billionaire for 10 million because I can't copy a a Picasso but I would say to the billionaire you would if you could well I would if I could but I can't so I'm not a fraud but what I would say to the billionaire is I tell you what I'll do for 5 million I'll do you the best piece of art that I can do and I'm like give give me as many billionaires as you like and I'm doing pieces for 5 million quid and if you are there you go so I think we all have a price and there's things that we can commercialize and there's nothing nothing wrong with that as long as you're being authentic I wouldn't be authentic if I charged someone 10 million to paint a Picasso cuz I can't payt a Picasso but what I am authentic in is saying how about what I can do I'll give you five million fine dumb so that's kind of how I see money um you know I have a fair keynote speaking fee and I think my that what I offer is fair for that and then I do some for free and sometimes I'm paid to be on podcast and sometimes I do them for free but you can only make that choice when you've built your own level of wealth so I think when you're broke you probably are more selfish and it's okay to be more selfish cuz number one you need to look after you you can only look after your family once you've looked after you you can only look after your community once you've looked after your family but once you've built wealth I mean if you look at rich people I mean there's a lady I won't mention her name but she gives a lot of money to charity but she's one of the richest billionaires in the UK from gambling and people say oh from gambling I mean I don't like gambling at all I'd like to Outlaw gambling I think it's just terrible um but she would argue that it's entertainment and it's necessary if it wasn't necessary now I'm not judging her I've not met her but I know I know of the story tried to have her on my podcast um why why so then I could challenge it on these things um but someone like that might say well there's plenty of other gambling firms and this is how we do it better and people will always pay for entertainment so you've got to have your own morals and judgments as to what you're prepared to commercialize and what you're not I used to be an artist and most artists have a real problem with commercial commercialization and they don't ever make enough money and when you don't make enough money you can't express your own art like you couldn't do this podcast without these good cameras you got a good new camera there you got good microphones they're very good if you had if I came here and you had a little Zoom H1 and you're holding it under my I'm going to be like H you need to invest in this in this podcast um so yeah so you had an original question and then you asked me the question I just answered can you remember the original question why you obsessed with money that you're not obsessed with but you I'm fascinated by it I think it's well tell me the top five subjects that humans think about and I'd be amazed if in you did a wider poll money is not in the top five no I'm sure I mean I think money is one of the most family argued about yeah so conversations with between couples money could be in the top three or five things that's most talked about about humanity and it is out of all of those in my opinion the least understood like I I have done 17 years of re research and study around money I've written books on money I've just written my 20th book and the last two I've written on money and people don't know anything about money most people do not know anything about money yet it's in the top three or five things that we we talk about on a daily basis so um is that not the most fascinating of subjects to try and find out how it works now one thing I'll talk about money is I I'm going to I want people to do this exercise I think it's really fascinating so anyone listening or watching just follow me and do this imagine the nicest Street in your area if you do this with me as well and imagine driving down that nicest Street and parking outside the nicest house like the one you love the dream house and take a look through your car window and don't worry no one's going to think you're a weirdo but take a look out through and look at this grand house and think about what kind of person you perceive owns that house like picture them are they a man or a woman are they old or they young are they a drug dealer or an artist or do they um are they on the board of Facebook I don't know I don't want to put things into people's heads but here's the thing you don't know who lives in that house and you're going to build a picture of the person that you think lives in that house and you have no idea now I'll tell you the picture I'd build entrepreneur made loads of money probably smart I'd want to go and ring the doorbell and talk to them I should maybe get them on my podcast whereas when I was broke I think probably the biggest drug dealer in town cleaning money money launderer criminal cuz that was a reflection of my own so the person you picture is the rich person is an internal reflection reflected out but that's a fictionary fictional character it's not a real character that I that story I think embodies money in that money is neutral is this plastic good or bad like like it's a piece of plastic it's not good if I give it to you it's good why is it good if you give it to me because I've done a kind gesture but there's no expectations no I mean if I give it to you with expectations it's not good but isn't it all just about how we perceive humanity and our own deep-seated beliefs not just about money but what it everything that represents yes because if you give me something and if I believe like oh people are generous then I like okay great and or I you will yeah so you will gratefully receive and you will look at everyone like they're generous and you will send out that frequency and that vibration and you'll get that back whereas if you're like CU if IID have handed that to you and you'd have want no and and scow at me and and be like what do you want what you trying to buy I be like oh I better not do that again so your perception of money and how you view it this is neutral this this is what you think this is but this isn't what you think it is that's the par the jeal Paradox of money so jeel Paradox is anything can be good or bad depending on how you perceive it so AI good thing about AI is it could probably save a Million Lives bad thing about AI is it could probably take a million lives so this I could give to 20 poor kids in the third world with genuine intent and I could probably feed them for a week with this one I could buy a magazine of 20 bullets and get a gun and go and shoot 20 kids in a school which money isn't any of those things it becomes what I project onto it so I use the analogy of my new book money Matrix about a hammer so if I put a hammer on the table you probably wouldn't judge that hammer you know what that's for oh there's a couple of pictures there that look like they need putting up but I could take that hammer and smash your skull in with it you wouldn't try the hammer and you wouldn't judge the hammer and you wouldn't say hammers are the root of all evil it would be me who would be in front of the judge and the jury money's like a hammer a Hammer's really good at nailing in a nail and Levering one out it's better than your hand this is good at going to pret or um where is it we went Harry Leon and get I got a delicious fish finger sandwich I like a sucker for a fish finger sandwich I paid 7 50 for a um fish finger sandwich now imagine if I had to drum barter £750 is worth I had to go go into Leon and go oo I'll do you 750 is worth of a dance you know to try and get this it's not not efficient so this is a tool like a hammer with a hammer you can smash someone's skull in or you can go and create a beautiful piece of art and go and use a hammer to put it up on the wall and give someone Joy this is what people don't understand about money they think money is what they are but money is what it is so if you want to change what money is you have to change what you are why is it important to you to teach others that money is neutral um I guess because I was broken and I've been rich and a lot of people judge the rich but um why did you judge the rich because I was broke and I wanted to be rich and I wasn't rich and I looked at the rich and I thought you must have done that illegally or inherited it or or being a drug dealer so you didn't have like a good examples of how you can earn your money in non illegal terrible ways oh no I didn't have any examples of how to make money CU I wasn't around people who made money if I'd have been around people who made money and were generous and giving that I would see people who made money as generous and giving so to you know your your environment as well as your family and the media and things like that that impacts what you think money is inside I was bitter and resentful I knew that I should have been an entrepreneur I knew that I wanted to make money and I knew that I could but I'd failed in my life in that that department and so I saw everyone else as a success as lucky or done it illegally because that made it okay for me to fail inside and I'm a bit ashamed about that and I'm really glad that I've changed that about myself so because I've changed that about myself and I like myself better and my life is better for that change why would I want not want to share that with other people also I mean if if the whole of society knew this and I was the last to know I wouldn't need to talk about it I was the last to get it but no one [ __ ] gets it like you hear people say all the time well money doesn't buy you happiness buys you nice cameras buys you a nice microphone buys you a nice school for your kids I mean I don't believe that money doesn't a lot of people do though they do and there's all these studies saying oh after 70,000 happier but happiness and I love what you talk about happiness as in it's an emotion it's part of a range of emotions that we experience it's not just a stand like oh I'm happy and now I'm happy for the rest there's there's dozens of Happiness emotions you're right there different ways of being happy and I think one of the first and one of them is to make a lot of money well I mean it's the thrill it's the dopamine hit it's more than a dopamine hit well you you you are a better judge me you have more money in the bank than I do so you know I'll take it from you but you know it it does help to you know BR you safety it buys you security it buys you health it buys you time it buys you a lot of things that make you happy eventually so or make your life easier yes and so therefore you can focus your anxieties on other things cuz money doesn't take all your problems away in fact money sometimes makes bigger problems I know this um but when you don't don't have to worry about money you can focus your anxieties in important areas to you like your children like your career like seeing the world before you die you know all these kind of things but you know you say that you don't think that money doesn't buy happiness but I mean in in the Bible it says that um the love of money is the root of all evil no humanity is the root of all evil not money this can't be evil it's not conscious but it's what people do with it yes so it's the human not the money yes true but you're a person who doesn't have money and you watch how you know the revolutions have been started over small things that but you see somebody who large groups of people who don't know how to get it who don't understand it who resent it or see it as something terrible because they may see the rich and like why do they get to have that and then also you know showing their smashy cars driving those Ferraris that you are resentful of or you know going on these holidays and yet not contributing to the rest of the society so you are involved so did you say that people buy all those things and don't contribute to society I'm not saying they don't well they do by buying all those things the government controls the flow of money from the rich to the poor so people like to blame the rich and the government like people to blame the rich it's the government that distribute money the worst cuz tax is money distribution so my question is do the rich have an obligation to make sure that some of that wealth is distributed downwards that's a good question I've not been asked that before in that way um I think to a certain degree yes but they already do you just don't know it and let's use me as an example I pay millions of pounds in taxes taxes is wealth distribution I am already Distributing millions of my pounds from my own coffers down to the recipients of tax which is everyone else um but here's the problem the government managed that money really badly so the mainstream media and the governments would love the rich to be blamed so it's a distraction over there it's not the government's fault but if crime is high the police is so underfunded the NHS is drastically underfunded do you know basically um theft is basically legal now because only one in 40 thefts actually come to a prosecution do you know there's so much rape that goes on that is basically legal now because it doesn't get properly investigated I am paying my taxes to redistribute my wealth that I [ __ ] earned and gave 17 years of my life for to trust the state that it will distribute it and it doesn't and I have to pay for the NHS I I've got a little I've got some numbness in parts of my body at the moment I'm bit worried about it just want to get it checked um it might be nothing but I have to go to private to be able to get that checked and someone in my organization she passed away through lockdown and she probably wouldn't have if she could have got in a hospital and that angers me so every time like I'll spend money all around here and um so when a rich person goes to a new city cuz you know you get tourism you get money from other countries well anytime a rich person goes through any town or city they're throwing money all over the place they might not be going oh here's 200 quid in a donation and I'll go where are all the homeless people I'll give them a million pounds but they're buying clothes and they're buying watches and they're buying art and they're buying fancy cakes and and everything else um so that is also a form of of distribution of wealth so the rich people distribute wealth already they're not given the credit for it and they do it better than the government could some do it more well that's up for debate I mean Warren Buffett is giving away billions and it's easy for someone sit and go yeah but he's worth 300 billion and he's only giving away a 100 billion and he's got 200 billion left so he should give away another 200 billion no you go and [ __ ] earn another 200 billion and then you give it away and what are these people who are judging all these rich people doing doing nothing they they're being trolls on on social media so and also don't forget how the rich people pay or don't pay their tax is supposed to be regulated and controlled by the government if you were a billionaire and you could pay 4% tax or 20% tax which one are you going to choose well for sure like I wouldn't want to pay tax if I didn't have to there you go yeah so if you if you can get an accountant and a good lawyer and you can get 4% of 20% you're going to choose 4% everyone listening to would probably charge 4% and let's say you felt a bit guilty about that well you're like well 4% of Bill billions is still a lot and I'll give a few million away to charity and I'll set up a foundation you know naturally you're going to through your own emotions you know give money away and do good things you can't do good things when you don't have any money other than maybe rent your time that's true my question also stems from once and this is again making assumptions that everyone's like that and they're not but there are groups of very rich individuals who become so isolated from you know even if they came from poverty or from you know not having money once you end up in this world of driving luxurious cars and being surrounded in you know that becomes standard to you that doesn't become extraordinary it's just what you get on a day-to-day basis why is that a problem that's not a problem for them because everybody come becomes normalized by their surroundings don't they they do but being so far removed from how the rest of the world lives and then becoming either judgmental about like oh well they're just like poor people they don't they're stupid because let's face it like not every I've never met a rich person ever and I know a lot that's ever said oh they're just poor people they're stupid never entertain me is it possible that a rich person may say that right um it's possible it's possible that a poor person could say that the rich is a hoyy toyy upper class snob yes neither of them neither of each actually really know each other no but the more you get separated into these categories the more you don't understand each other and that's why I'm saying is like should the rich who have gone through especially the ones who have self-made or they have gone from that process of not having money to having money understanding how the rest of the world lives don't they bear some responsibility to write some of the wrongs that they have seen along the way because does it matter which way you make money like are there things that you shouldn't be doing well to me it matters right I think it matters to anyone and they will justify why they make money I make money through training in education and information and I think it's a hugely beneficial to society way of um me making money but some people saying yeah but you can just go on YouTube and borrow a book off someone and go to the library well if you could do that and get rich you'll be creating a course on that and ironically become the thing that you hate I personally would never make money out of gambling it's it's not it's because I don't believe that that helps people with money but I bet if you had someone own a big gambling company here they would justify it so um I have my own ethics and morals you have your own ethics and morals um so you you you mentioned in your description do rich people have some obligation to write the wrongs along the way I I I think you have to get to know some rich people and listen to their story cuz if you've interviewed a 100 or a thousand rich people and they're all oligarch greedy capitalist power hungry corrupt then you know there needs to be a bit of a shakeup but I haven't ever interviewed any of those now maybe there are some and they're hiding in a communist country or they won't go on podcasts I don't know but I've interviewed 20 billionaires I am wealthy I know loads of rich people and you know they do a lot of good in society they give Millions away they set up Charities and Foundations well what is better someone who earns 20 grand a a year and they give away ,000 or someone who ears 100 million a year and they give away a million pound cuz the million is less of a percentage than the 200 million but it's a hell of a lot more than 500 quid I would argue that you can do more good with the million but there are more people who have 20,000 than there are people who have several million so if all of those people did that on mass but they don't so it s very well pointing the finger at the rich that they should be giving away more what I think someone should do is start with themselves so yeah if everyone who owns 20 grand a year gave away £500 the world would be a better place most people who earn 10 20 grand a year don't give away £500 but go and ask a load of them they they would probably think they can't afford it anyone I know makes 100 million gives at least a million or two million or 5 million or 10 million of that away and don't forget everywhere they they go cuz you said they drive nice cars would do you know there's a mechanic that repairs that car who gets paid a lot of money you know that mechanic couldn't run his living if he didn't have some rich clients and you know if you ask anyone who's got rich clients their rich clients are their favorite clients and their rich clients tip them big go to a restaurant it's the rich people who tip big it's not the you know the poor people who tip big I'm not judging the poor by the way and we're here on this interview interrogation table um I'm not cuz you don't hear me ever going around judging the poor and by the way if someone is broke and happy I tip my hat and all good because you know would I take being broke and happy over rich and unhappy I actually would I would you know I don't think I could be broke and happy and I think I can be rich and happy but if you got a gun to my head and it's broke but happy genuinely or Rich and unhappy I'd take broke and happy I think you could be rich and happy I'm pretty happy and I'm pretty rich I'm not going around judging anyone who's broke and happy what I'm trying to do is educate people who are broke and unhappy and help them change their lives that's my mission and there's a lot that's hard because they have all these beliefs and you you've expressed some of them here and any any anti-r belief is all going to mean you're always going to repel money notice you haven't taken the 20 I have a problem with my I do well you can give it all to me then cuz I don't Looking Back Now you still need to tell me about how you judged me I I will for me the money comes with conditions or it has come with conditions in the past so that's been my personal experience but the past doesn't have to dictate the future and and it's taken years of work to unpack some of these things which are not just to do with money but money you're aware of it you're conscious of it and you're trying to change it yes yeah and I am completely 100% with you in terms of educating people around the topic and I'm not saying the rich bad I'm not saying not the poor I'm quite of Playing devil's advocate in terms of understanding your perspective and talking about you know Miss Miss what's the word lost the word now misogyny no we'll get to that don't worry that's the next oops put my foot in it there um so we've got misconceptions talking about how I felt about you I think it was as I didn't see you your face it was your voice and your voice triggered me oh wow it did and a swearing yeah so that triggered me as well so what what about the my voice triggered you just is it harsh or is it aggressive or loud um I'm trying to I'm trying to think don't dance around it no I'm not trying to dance around it I'm try trying to find the right words to express it to the best of my ability so that it's correct for what I'm actually remember English is my second language yeah um it was triggering me because I felt that you were almost shouting at the people and trying to convince them of a certain point of view and swearing and I didn't listen to it that much so I didn't really get into get involved in the conversations and I don't remember precisely what you were saying but then when I went and I was watching some of the YouTube videos the podcast and some of the conversations that you had when people do Grill you and do challenge you what you say is more in line with my values than how you say it but I think you know in person you also come across different than when you come across on the screen yeah because well well it was an audio it wasn't even like you said it wasn't even a face was it exactly yeah I mean I'm always fascinated by those first impressions I don't really have a problem with that because it's something that you noticed and I'd rather you notice me than you didn't and I also know it's not I am me why is that yeah why noticed well if you don't notice me I can't come on your podcast can't get my message out to people we can't possibly collaborate in the future you know I know you've done a good couple of hundred episodes or maybe you might bring me back on your 500th if this is you know really well downloaded we might see each other a podcast show sometime and we're going to you know we've we've started a relationship a collaboration or whatever but if you don't know who I am that that can never happen so does it does it matter how you get attention well I I don't I'm not being me just for attention I'm being me because I am me so it's not deliberate is what you're saying that's just how I'm being me yeah well well I am definitely being me a lot more now at age 44 than I was age 35 or 25 here's the irony I was most confused about me at ages 14 and 21 um and I was probably trying to be much more of something than I wasn't but I used to hate that about myself but I don't now because we're all trying to find who we are and I don't know how you felt as you you know moved from 20s to 30s but I'd probably say in my 30s there was really good discovery about who I am and probably between you know the late 30s and early 40s I'm like I'm actually quite happy and content and comfortable I'll give you an example I don't like the way I sound you know if I were to if I were to listen to myself back on this audio I would not like how I sound I would much more like to speak like this and my daughter she speaks so well She's So Posh and she speaks like this and Daddy and many times I've thought I should try and practice speaking differently but it's just not me I am me and so swearing is I'm not trying to trigger You by swearing I'm swearing I've sworn a couple of times in this episode it's up to you whether you um beep it out or not but I'm swearing when I'm passionate I wasn't being rude to you you you know when I was defending the rich you know I was which I'm someone needs to you defending the rich I'm in some regard yes against mainstream media and government propaganda yeah because remember let's just go back to that imagine if all the taxes you gave to Elon Musk and Richard Branson in the UK and America who would you bet would use that money best for society the governments or Richard Branson in the UK and Elon mus in America I don't know them well enough to comment but from the way the government has been behaving I don't have much faith in that there you go yeah so um how you judged me um like yeah I would rather you judged me than you didn't know me I mean would you know is the soft nice cuddly fluffy side of me want everyone to like me on first instance well yeah but that's said that you that's that's only an insecure version of me who doesn't know themselves like you know you meet people and they're just like your best friend straight away you should smell a rat because they're probably a narcissist so I'd much rather meet someone I'm like yeah they're authentic rather than oh love you you love you love and and I you I was authentic on clubhouse I really was I I didn't ever come out of a room thinking GH I've made my skin craw there I didn't like who I was I mean sometimes I was testing racy headlines and sometimes I was having a discussion and debate with someone which I like but you know I would rather you get triggered by me and remember me for being who I am than like me for someone I'm not so I I I'll take that we're here we're now yeah I'm actually one of my favorite questions which you use in your podcast is like I don't remember exactly how you phrase it but how I phrase it it's like what misconceptions do people have usually about you so what's that um I think that they think I'm maybe a little bit more mercenary and capitalist than I actually am what do you think gives people that impression I'm the guy that will talk about anything about money whereas most people in this country they worry about being judged for talking about it I'll give you an example I was in a telegram group and someone said well you know what most millionaires they're pretty humble and you know they drive German cars and you know they don't flash their wealth and I said to him and I was being I was really honest I said to him I really respect that I really admire someone who's got in the lowlevel millions and is living a humble life and it's not showing it off but I couldn't live like that cuz I [ __ ] love cars and I love watches and I love them since I was a kid I love the Ferrari test Rossa 1987 and I bought one and that's just not me and to be able to like be authentic and be honest like if you ask most men if they would take 10 million quid and buy in fact ask most men what your favorite what your top three cars your daily your classic and you know your hyper car and then they said and then you said oh you can have them cuz I'm Mr Beast and I'm giving away cars none of them nah I don't want them no no no so most men want cars not all but most but we all have passions and some fit for some people it's collecting comics and whatever else but you know money gives you the ability to do that and for years I was like oh maybe I should be more humble and then social media comes along and it wants you to do clickbait so then I'm like maybe I should be more Rah and blingy more humble more braggy more humble more braggy and you and in the end hopefully you find your own voice and I do feel like for maybe eight years now if you go back through my content I think in the early years I'm a bit strained I think the intention is good otherwise I wouldn't be here but you can tell I'm a bit strained like I was much more shouty when I was younger was I was much more in fact all these in yourf face people now I was kind of a bit before the time but I don't know it it was a bit not me so and then what happened the shouty part is not you if you watch me on stage on a live talk you hear me shout and rant well you're on stage you need to be heard at the back of the room I get that like I come from a family of performers that makes sense to me yeah yeah yeah so yeah I'm all over the place um and then what happened was you know I'd get a lot of attention and then my business partner my MD and my wife are like oh you know it's a lot of attention here maybe we should just calm down a bit and you know and they all tried to basically dilute me and it lasted about 2 years and basically all of them in their own word said we want Rob back so they sort of suppressed me this is why it's important to be around good people and now I allowed it but yeah I think um you know when I was on in clubhouse I think I was pretty authentic um yeah and here's the thing in in the world of personal development you've got my friend Mark Victor Hansen don't I've ever heard him swear lovely articulate very fast thinking man you got another fast thinking man called Gary vaynerchuk who's got this broad accent accent who's quite aggressive I mean you think I'm aggressive nothing like Gary V I'm nothing like Andrew T what he says is good but I can't I can't hear there you go but you know maybe Gary's style isn't mine but I know he's a smart guy and I know I can listen to him on social media but you know he's he e fs and Jeffs every five seconds like I think I've only said [ __ ] three times now and twice before um so you know maybe that you know was maybe I'm somewhere in the middle I don't know but need to justify I think I probably I probably felt some sort of sense of not being included if I wasn't allowed into the room and I wasn't part of the the listening and there was me the 80th followed person in the world on clubhouse who thought he was the big Dom who ran the room yeah yeah that's very honest of you well I think that probably was part of it I mean that whole that whole era I used to by the way bring a lot of people up in rooms and give people equal opportunity because someone did that to me at the start I didn't know how to use Clubhouse and I was just in in a random room and someone brought me up and said all right mate go talk to people it was an american guy called farro who you know I stayed in touch with and I like I remembered that so I always tried to do that so forgive me if I didn't do that with you that's okay you probably did at one point probably wasn't enough for me I was feeling really down and wanted to get that sense of import anxiety mode or whatever yeah yeah talk about clickbait what have you learned in terms of how far is too far well Harry my producer over there um there is no too far right did you hear I I hope you pick up that little that you got in the B like he our most clickbait bity content is the one that's done the best David Ike and Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate and Katy Hopkins um I had a brilliant conversation with Matt gos about this he I I'm I'm going to have lunch with him tomorrow he was on my show and it was a lovely conversation he's a lovely man um and and he was like look Rob just you know this is just just do this Justice just you know be kind so he's basically like don't put some cheap clickbaity thumbnail headline over I guess he would see it like as a beautiful painting that you just slapped some random paint on and you're ruined and in some ways I'm a bit I'm an artist at heart in my old days I was an artist so I feel the same I I want the conversation to be quality that's what I want I would like you to leave thinking that was a good quality conversation even if you've got more judgments than you have answers I don't mind but unfortunately that doesn't sell what sells it is the thumbnail and the headline so I I regularly have this conversation on my podcast with especially Arty creative types in you know the art is the piece of content this is the art form and the gimmick is the thumbnail and you know and the Rob Mo TR trashes my house um or I mean cuz Harry sometimes he puts headlines in and I'm like mate that didn't happen in the episode all right so just blame Harry yeah yeah it's great to have a Harry well you you can you've got you can you can blame your my husband yeah yeah um but yeah sometimes I say to Harry that didn't actually happen and he's like but we need the clicks yeah but we don't need to be desperate for the clicks but I have got a lot of really good cont content out there that's not got many views and I've got some stuff which I would deem a little bit more tacky that's got millions of views I don't have the answer to that question because let's say you're an artist um the art is the piece of art the clickbait is how many people come and look at that piece of art yeah if you have no one looking at the art you you're doing you're spending all this money and time on podcast I mean there's two of you here and you got all this equipment thousands of pounds if no one listens to this podcast it's it do you exist well exactly well nothing exists in a vacuum everything dies in a vacuum including podcast if no one listens to a podcast it will die so um let me ask it back to you how far would you go on the clickbait not that far I've been scared to do that and that's probably resulting in less proba you back it probably does I think it's something that I need to learn more about in terms of how can it be truthful to what's really happening but also it's The Art of Storytelling it's about how do you express what's really going on what's the most dramatic point of the video but I also think podcasting and YouTube is a long game so if you're putting in things that didn't happen eventually people will stop believing you it's like the boy that cried wolf and also if you don't have a good title for the conversation that you had you probably need to spend more time working on your content and how you can be a better interviewer and have better guests and how can you tell a better story versus just putting one clickbait title on it so that's my perspective yeah um I mean can I just jump in here quickly I think there's two types of clickbait I think there's the missell the [ __ ] yeah the bait and switch which is where clickbait comes from it came from porn where you're clicking on something and it goes go to porn um and then there's really creative good quality maybe racy headlines that are delivered on in the content well that's different and that's art yes to create a great Tu title that everyone clicks and doesn't bait and switch that's art in fact Harry and I should spend more time on our headlines and on the thumbnails and we spend a lot more now than we used to CU if you can get a headline which is like makes you click and isn't a bait and switch you're a headline genius and the more head the more clicks you can get the more views you get them more views you get them more on the 4u page or the related searches and it is a virtuous cycle so let's address the other elephant in the room what if it's a guest that is not good for society like how far do you I mean you've interviewed Define who's not Define what I think that's load in your own moral judgments it is I think that there are about 25 million men that would say Andrew Tate is good for society and that terrifies me yeah so I'm not judging you I'm just trying to be pick out your own judgments so because who judges who is good for society and who is not good for society Society well well why was he much of much of society loves Andrew Tate much of society despises Andrew Tate I think if you are a mother of a daughter you're probably more naturally inclined to not like Andrew Tate I think if you're a struggling fatherless 255 year old male or you're more likely to so why do young men like him well now let's go back to your first question first because I don't think we finished that I don't think you or I so I certainly can't I can't speak for you I can't judge the Andrew Tate is bad for society who am I to make that judgment cuz I you don't think he's a misogynist well do you think he is a misogynist my personal experience of him I've had a lot of personal experience with him I know him message him quite a lot I don't know how much personal experience you've had with him um my guest is none so so um I have never seen any misogyny from him but why would there be misogyny with me I'm not a 20year old wait wait I'm talking about my personal Experience Podcast and I've heard with him yeah so so so to answer your question personally I've had no misogyny but why would I and but I did from your podcast okay well we can come to that don't worry I'll talk about anything let me just sort of I think the Nuance is really important here I think CU I do and I'm your guest so just bear bear with me on that and as you're the host You can disagree but let me get my point out first um so my experience is only been good from start to finish with them and that's what I'm going to judge on number one now by the way does my wife think the same thing no so if we need to open that we can um at the moment so hold on let me get to the trial B personal experience so let talk me through that what does that mean in terms of how he behaved towards you in terms of the qualities that you see in him that align with yours well don't forget all I've done is met him interviewed with him on a podcast carried on talking to him he's messaged me a few times saying that he likes some of my guests on my show and we're talk talking about a second interview so that's as far as I've done I don't go over to his house every weekend I don't body spar with him I'm not you know one of one of the guy I'm not one of the killers if I'm ever around anyone associated with Andrew T I always smile on the videos because they always don't so I'm still me I'm you know but like I'm not scared of an association with him because I am not society and I'm not going to morally judge now would I be concerned of a um an association with Jeffrey Epstein of course I would but I think that's proven Andrew Tate is it's there's no proof yet and and like if you were questioned about something and you were on trial but there was no actual case you know and there was then you would want a fair trial and is there actually a case being presented here or not CU there still isn't any there's still not been any charges now look could there some of my people think well there's going to be a bit of egg on Rob's face if he does convict get convicted of those if he gets convicted of those and there are proof then I might change my stance I I probably would change my stance to be honest but I'd have to wait and see what they are but I'm not judging until there but as of yet there are no charges and I like to think if I was accused of something that I didn't believe I was guilty of people that knew me wouldn't judge me because there's not even any charges social media is not judge jury and executioner but it's made itself that mainstream media like BBC you know they're hatch it hatching him him because they want to they want oxygen like the hit jobs from the BBC a terrible journalism whether that they might have been right but terrible journalism and it was a vain attempt to have some oxygen left to survive cuz BBC are very irrelevant now you watch my interview with him compared to BBC sees way way more B I don't watch interviews with him and the only reason is because doing research on you and obviously he's it okay I'm a woman I have heard the things he says both on your podcast and elsewhere and I go onto your YouTube page your podcast and go on the most popular videos and there's probably at least three or four of I mean Jordan Peterson number one but a lot of of him and I think I scrolled maybe about 20 30 and I saw three female faces so because he's so popular on your podcast it is giving him a bigger platform exactly at the point he doesn't need me he doesn't need me but but you are still offering that to him the ktie Hopkins she was but let me let me let me let me because you know you're your he expen to this and I want to like articulate myself I hear you I think you're doing a bit well thank you um he he is a person that was celed at that point he is somebody who in my opinion encourages young men to think about women in the wrong way to me that is not good for society because I believe in female empowerment as a female entrepreneur myself it is terrifying to see that somebody of that Grand scale of influence being supported by people like you and other people because he is nice person to deal with because in my opinion an individual is especially when they have such a broad reach has a responsibility and has to take accountability for their action so just because he's not been convicted of whatever crimes that he's been accused of that still he's still saying very misogynistic and very untrue things about women both outside of your platform and on your platform so it's like how do you feel about that do you not feel like he was giving misogynistic views on your show okay so first off I totally respect that position and I have conversations with my wife about this quite a lot my wife's very good at giving me balance I am a man so I'm obviously going to learn much more about a woman's point of view from a woman my wife's very kind very balanced very logical and we have these discussions and you know I don't think she would mind me to say a lot of these things and more she's raised in the conversation she's even raised you know if I should think about that with my Association so there's a couple of things I want to address going back before we move forward and um I'm in this position on my podcast where I don't know if I don't know what why this happened but we have had so many really brilliant females agreed to be on the show and then they cancel once twice three and four times and i' I've openly talked about this and I don't mind talking about it here and I'll probably get some hate for it but I mean I tell you what I was I was in two minds of having you on the show okay that's and obviously we'll talk afterwards whether you think it was a good decision or not and I'll I'll accept whatever but by the way the many of these females was wa it was pre Andrew Tate it was pre Jordan Peterson it was when all the people I was interviewing were entrepreneurs that none of them were in any way controversial because if you go back and look at my early stuff none of the guests are controversial they're just all entrepreneurs it used to be called the disruptive entrepreneur so you can see the evolution MH and you know we had Joe Malone we had Hillary de unfortunately has passed away and loads of others and I don't want to sit here and name and shame but they [ __ ] us around yeah come here oh no yeah come here oh no yeah come here oh no yeah come here oh no yeah no yeah no yeah no you know we had the um jackeline gold you know associated with West Ham and she pulled out to to illness when we knew she was watching the Champions League match that's so say women are fleaky no I am not saying women are flaky you know remember I'm the guy on this discussion that is says that Nuance is important I am saying that on my podcast with all the successful women I wanted to get and wanted to give a voice and had them agreed they were the most flaky that is what I'm saying and that's my experience and that is a fact and I'm not I haven't mentioned half of them and it might even be the first time I've even said their name and they [ __ ] us about and you you have to go places and pay for hotels and all this kind of stuff and I've so I I I went inside and I went is it me you know have I got some projection of too much maless or you know of course many women accused me of that but did they what did they say well yes it's you Rob but did they say because you're too manly too what did you say tell me because I can tell you this and I'll say this now I don't think I've ever said anything that's in the remotest bit misogynistic ever online just because Andrew Tate says it doesn't mean I think it and and and I never have and you can go back and you can see what's what's on the internet and I went inside and thought is there something about me that's repelling them and I really worked on it and we do you know what we even did we even started using my PA who's a female internally to communicate with them to wondering if we were being a bit aggressive or pushy and we could not get round it and now we're at the stage where we had all these great women they canceled us one two three and four times me Hillary Dev four or five times and in the last one or two times she was ill and you know I I rest in peace you know there's no judgment for me on here but if it would have been my way there'd be like there'd be 35% women at least and in the end do you know what my MD who's a woman said she says maybe it's not your demographic maybe you should just stop trying to get women on the show and putting all this effort when you can't and then and then women would say but come on but they they're not known or they haven't got a brand and you know and I'm at the stage where I can attract those people so I tried now you can always try harder but then we got Peterson who's very male and then we've got Andy Tate who's very male and we've got Katy Hopkins who's a very male female and so now when people go on I can understand that it's like whoa this is like male and I if there's anyone listening who knows anyone who's a very successful female um and and is of the the right caliber I will have them on my show in an instant and you know I I'll have whatever conversations we need to have I'm not scared to go to those places as you can you can see here I'd love to do it but if I'm taking full responsibility we haven't nailed that but I'm also you and sometimes people say to me things like well you know but they've got kids and you know and I'm just thinking well these women are really successful in business I imagine that they they their word is important to them and they've been they've become wildly successful as a Woman by probably having to deal with kids and stuff I cannot give an excuse as to why nearly all the people that mess us around three or four times apart from the fact that they're female women yeah I couldn't find any other and now you're right now I'm at the I mean my listenership is 85% male yours might be 85% female I don't know and we've almost manifested that because in the end you're like how many like I'd love to have Sarah Blakeley on the show you know by the way i' I've had 20 equivalent males of her 20 male billionaires and not we do you know we've gone for every female billionaire every single one we've got none so I'm here opening my soul on the anatomy of a leader saying bring it but I I I think there's something in successful women that they're holding back what do you think that is I don't know I I'd love to talk about it but I've got to get them on my show to talk to them about it and now they go on my YouTube and they see Jordan Peterson Andrew T David ik don't think you're a misogynist but I feel that I'm not going to say like side you know siding with him but I think the fact that you are supporting him by having him on your show and by not because in in the beginning of your podcast with him you said that you're going to challenge him and I scrolled down and said you know are you a misogynist and you asked that once but you didn't probe him further on that like you didn't you didn't go deeper in that well round round two well I don't know if I'm going to the vi watching Fair let me look um I don't think he that I can remember blurted any or much misogyny on my episode compared to all the stuff he'd done in the p if there's anything specific you want to ask me I will state whether I think that's misogynistic or things he talks about is like the I don't know exactly if this is word for word but gender pay Gap does not exist because women choose not to go for higher paying jobs that's what he said yeah I don't think that's misogynistic why not um I think it's a generalization because I I think if you look at the if you look at the modeling industry my guess I'm going facts my guess is women get paid more than men that's my guess I had this discussion with I I I want to have this discussion I had this with my wife we had a really good discussion we she came from the gender equality I came from a different perspective and I think we met in the middle let me tell you why I think about this I believe in value equality so if you bring more value than me you should be paid more than me I don't care what your gender is if I bring more value than you is not an absolute no it's it's perceived by the market that you're yes and the market the perception of the market is based on what society believes to be valuable at that time that is a market and if a society is patriarchal or has more men seated at the leadership positions that is going to dictate what is valuable a woman stay at home and taking care of the kids is less valuable than a man going out to earn a living well not necessarily because that man might give half you know spend half of his money on his wife yes but that's not always the case it's not but but it is often it's much more rare in Reverse but it's not that rare for it to not be the case the thing the thing I think with the thing I think the value argument in my opinion like oh well you know male footballers should be paid more because there's more of a market and female footballers should be paid less because well no woman which watches them well it's not been the right thing for women to watch sports why it's not the women that decided that necessarily I don't believe that well I mean I think same for models being paid more because well you know they're female and the male models get paid less well the market has been created by men yes it's been created by men but I don't really include myself in this because remember I believe value and I don't care what the sex is and I I by the way I practice what I preach and I hire more men than women and there's reasons for that because they have fundamentally different set of skills to men and as a recruiter I'm sure you would know this which I think I think are valuable in build building a company um the the football discussion is a good one because um I don't think the um the captain of England or Spain currently should be paid as much as Le Leonel Messi but I think that women's football is doing a great job of showing us what value it has I mean the the British team are probably a bit more entertaining than the men's team they went got to the final and Things Are changing and so in that regard there is progress progress maybe we've not had in society for a long time and there's a lot more as you say patriarchal matriarchal influence I don't care about whether it's a man or a woman I care who's bringing value and is that value useful to society but here's the problem I'm not the judge of that if if I own Society there would be no gambling but then it would probably be done illegally wouldn't it it wouldn't necessarily but like that's my my judgment in my company you get paid the most if you offer the most value and most many of our senior um people are women and we're very supportive of their matriarchal needs that that men don't have so it doesn't trigger me um because I also acknowledge I'm not a woman and I've not had the same suppression as a woman maybe but I can't it's not a crime to be a 44 year old white male either which a lot of people you know think that I am Satan because I'm a 44 year old white man I I I wasn't given anything I employ a lot of women I try and be fair I try and think about equality but I I have my own vantage point I acknowledge to you if I was the mother of a 15-year-old girl I might perceive Andrew Tate in a different way because I have my own lens I have never said anything misogynistic I don't think talking about the gender pay Gap is misogynistic I actually think it's is it not good for people who want there to be less of a gender pay Gap than someone like it's good but not when you're denying its existence yeah but the thing is you're always going to have two sides of an argument aren't you and surely you want people waiting in to because him waiting in whether you agree or not all of a sudden 20 million people are discussing it that weren't before is that not good no I don't think it's good well would you rather not talk about it and suppress it for another hundred years no I would rather if it's in an interview situation when he's saying that gender pay Gap doesn't exist and at the same time he says well people don't research and don't go deep into the subject and don't look at all of the facts well he hasn't gone into the facts so you as an interviewer have a duty to push him on that and maybe you know try to get the other side of the story and that's my opinion about yeah of course and the thing is you would interview him very differently to me you would have a very I wouldn't interview him well no let's hypothetically say you would interview him you would interview him very differently with a very different set of questions based on your own beliefs and personal experiences I'm always open to be asked to ask Andrew a question and if there's anything anyone thinks I'm missing in my interview questions send them put them on the YouTube videos ask me to ask them I I often do and as you know it's not always easy to come up with really good questions so I'm I'm an open book and I'll take any suggestions in fact if I got a lot of questions pouring that's half the work done for my for my next interview so I'd be very grateful I I think ultimately I'm a A Ware of my own biases and they are what I am but um you know I'm not raising my daughter I've never said anything misogynistic no one would ever say I'm misogynistic to towards my wife I mean I always speak very highly of my wife um and I would be quite happy to interview far more women and I would quite be be I'd be quite happy to interview Andrew Tate and then interview someone who's completely against Andrew Tate and interview who we should have on the show is I think his name is Richard reev he's written a book on boys only boys and men I think he's based out in the US but I think he's British do you know him Harry Richard reev okay should take a look at his book Because he believes that gender equality is all about looking at the other side which is looking at the young men in our society and redefining or creating the version of masculinity that is relevant for our society today so I think he would have a lot to say about that one thing I will say about that cuz recently people have had been asking me about masculinity and I don't really talk about it too much like my wheelhouse is business and money and now people are asking me about gender identity and misogyny and masculinity and it's like H what I will say is this it I acknowledge it's quite confusing to be a young male right now and you know I think that there's a lot of lost Young men out there I think I mean when I went through puberty it was [ __ ] confusing imagine now being a child I mean you've got children and when they get to teens with all these 60 odd different gender identities and everything else I'm not saying any of them are wrong I mean in my opinion there's two main Sexes but I accept an unlimited number of gender identities if you want to identify but if my child comes back and wants to identify as a cat I've got a problem and I'm like [ __ ] what do I do here and so yeah Society is not like it was when I was young and it it changes and I've got a dance and evolve with it and there was no one like Andrew Tate you know back when I was and the Paradox of Andrew Tate like I don't know if I said about juel 's Paradox earlier but everything has an upside and a downside Andrew T has bought me a massive following and got me connected with some really good people and he's bought me a lot of heat and and I'm okay with going to those places and I'm okay if there's a an opposite version I'm I'm okay with interviewing them too but you know I I I I hope that people will see that I am me and I am my own person and you know like my beliefs and opinions are mine I don't believe what everything Casey Hopkins says or Jordan pet says or David ik says by the way I've interviewed loads of really cool people which are not controversial but we're not talking about them which is a shame no but we're not talking about Andrew Tate because of him for me I would rather not see his face ever again or talk about it the reason being is first of all you're on my show and you have interviewed him and two some of the things he says I think are damaging both to women but also to men and that to behavior and supporting that in my opinion isn't right um and so it's just trying to understand your perspective on it because you are right there are very young young vulnerable men who are lost who don't know how to be and just because you say that you work out you're rich and you work hard or you say you do all of those things that doesn't automatically give you a free pass to say are the terrible things because all of those things combined mean that everything all the good that you have done is kind of like wiped away from you if you were to come up and say I acknowledge what I said is wrong or I acknowledge that this has hurt somebody and you know this is what I'm doing to correct it to educate myself okay maybe but that hasn't happened and he hasn't apologized and he hasn't said anything about it to take away the damage that I believe he's doing to both women and to men so yeah that's my opinion yeah and I am accept that and respect that um and I think that the evolution of Andrew Tate and what happens his case and Beyond it and afterwards it's going to be interesting to see um you know I see a lot of people in his community who they essentially want to be him but that's because they don't know who they are um and I am me and I don't smoke cigars and I don't go and Bash people up and and you know all this stuff the the young impressionable men are looking to find who they are and then because they don't have the father figure that they wanted to be father fig or they have the wrong father figure I mean it's possibly just yeah that's just as bad isn't it then they're going to look for these other Role Models which I think now we're probably saying something similar and you know so yeah like I hope I mean he'd say that he does but I'll just say this to him if you know if this gets to him but I hope he really does think about his influence and the impact is having cuz he can see his positive impact can he see his negative impact and is there a way he can could continue to have the positive impact and maybe lessen the negative impact that that's something that you could ask yourself I think anybody who has created so much damage and has been basically cancelled if they come back and they are you know what I'm a change man and I'm going to prove it to you I'm going to show it to you I feel that will do a lot of good for society because then you can see that transformation and what is possible that it is possible to create change it is possible to create even more of a positive influence if there had been one to start with so yes I think it is I think everybody deserves a second chance and again I don't know the positive sides of what he's preaching and yes that is also you know a choice that I'm making that I don't want to go too because it's very very triggering for me and going back you know I was thinking about this when you said you know what the misconceptions you had about me and there was something about your voice Gary's Van's voice and Jordan Peterson's voice um and Andrew Tate's voice and it's like there are please bear with me there are some similarities because which are which are this elevated you can call it passionate you can call it um it's it's very emotionally triggering and I was thinking why does okay Jordan peton did kind of have that effect on me but then when I listen to what he's saying and also the fact that he cries a lot when he gets very emotional to me I'm like okay this person is using a range of his emotions he is comfortable with a different range of emotions to get his message across and his message is overall extremely positive I believe to young men with um Andrew Tate when I hear his voice it makes me angry it makes me so angry and I'm like what is this and one thing I've realized about myself is like when I feel angry most of the time it's either Injustice towards somebody else or Injustice towards me but the underlying emotion under the anger is fear so I it's like first it's anger and then it's fear fear for what will happen to the young boys fear what might happen to young girls and then also fear like oh my if I were to meet this person face to face like I would be scared of him as a woman I would be scared of him and when he's saying those things about it makes me think well I don't want more men to be raised in this kind of an image um and it's interesting that you get asked about masculinity and I don't want to go down sort of you know different genders but you did say something about well you know maybe I'm kind of like too manly so there is something on your mind about that so what is your version of the best of of what a man can be so uh since the whole masculinity thing has come out and toxic masculinity I have taken some time to think about this now my wife always tells me that I'm more of a man than these men which makes me feel very loved what do you think she means by that well so I ask her what are these things um so this is what she says about me sorry if I embarrass her you know I think it's better coming from someone else than on me but she believes that I'm an ambitious person so that's a manly thing for her to her that yeah she believes that she's attracted to my ambition when she she recalls when we met and apparently I went straight up to her to talk to talk to her and she was actually one of the only the very few people I've ever gone up and chatted up and apparently I had a business card Rob Mo property investor and I gave it to her and she afterwards thought this guy isn't a property investor but I like is huts far you know sorry if I pronounced that wrong yeah exactly and and she and she what she said she liked about me was my ambition and because she met me when I was broke and you know I've I've built up a nice well we've built together you know a nice Empire and I've been the the guy that's done the financial part so ambition is one and she thinks kindness and compassion actually really makes a man and she believes that I am that um she thinks someone who um is in touch with their emotions but you know isn't sort of weak and flighty and a push over um so she she would see that as a a manly manly quality I mean my wife's quite a practical person so she doesn't say things like you know being sensitive or romantic because whenever I'm romantic with her she's like what do you want cuz she it's just a practic when you give money to start you want why you giving me all of this right yeah so compassion kindness ambition I think um knowing who you are and having a a vision and Clarity of self I think she finds so this is what she thinks of you so what do you think are well that's what she says are the masculine traits about me that she likes right obviously there's the physical ones as well I won't go into those but that's her opinion what's your opinion well the reason I gave her opinion is because maybe it's more accurate or balanced I I think if you have to go on and on about you being a Mas a man like I asked someone because apparently there's all these phrases like alpha male and what was the other one Harry Sigma male and I think what is Sigma male yeah like Beyond Alpha oh I see yeah and I think Alpha wasn't enough well this is it this makes me squirm and if anyone says they are an alpha or a sigma male that like you get triggered I'm getting triggered I'm not actually triggered about it I find it laughable well we're all we all we all get triggered about different things don't we and we get triggered in different ways yeah I mean it's I'm not going to let it ruin my life I'm just I'm probably I'm going to judge a bit so talking about my own masculinity publicly makes me feel like a bit like I'm defining the Al it's not about your it's not really about your masculinity I think my question is more about what you believe defines a man like a good man that's the question okay what defines a good man um someone who has leadership qualities who can take a problem or a situation and make a decision without a committee and go and make positive change now that can also be a woman can't it but you know but that that's one character trait whether they're the leader of the family or the organization or whatever obviously there is the sexual and the testosterone and the energy you know I find it confusing and it's it's quite normal but I do find it confusing when I meet women who've got very masculine energies and Men who've got very feminine energies my my wife actually has a theory on this she thinks it's all the estrogen in the water um but um I think so you so that's the estrogen making men less masculine yeah because yeah yeah because I mean the testosterone levels are way down you know on average so there is that I mean if I had no testosterone I wouldn't have the get up and go I wouldn't do the challenges you know I do challenges all the time I did a charity boxing match I'm doing a challenge right now break world record to do all those things and I'm not saying that's not a a female thing so what I don't want people to hear when I say this is what masculine is I want people are going to judging oh well women could be that too I'm trying to answer your question and without caveat myself so leadership decisive qualities and you know testosterone and the male energy um what is that it's what comes from testosterone it's what comes from biologically being a male which is which is why when you have a transgender there's that could be aggression right because that's what testosterone provides well if if it manifest well if it manifesting aggression and competitiveness which you would deem as more masculine qualities then it is there yeah and I don't think we can deny it I think a good man controls those I think what a good man does is they can be powerful and dangerous and damaging to protect but they never use it they choose not to well this is what Jordan Peterson main point is we talk it's about restraint I I I do agree with that it's about like I try and be polite with everyone um I'm not a bully but you know I have started to I used to do a lot of self-defense and martial arts um and you know I did a charity boxing match and I do other martial arts now but you'll never you'll never see me start a fight you will never see me start a fight um did you before I've never started a fight never I'm a lover not a fighter but I think I do now see it because don't forget if we were in World War II I probably would have had to learn how to shoot a gun and I probably would have been out there protecting you know our country and my children and my wife and un fortun enough not to have had to been in that situation but I think the world is changing now a bit and it feels a bit more like [ __ ] could be close to World War I and all this so I'm I'm Society is making me think you know maybe I should be able to protect myself and my family and that is a more masculine thing than a feminine thing because naturally me men are stronger than women um and there are some people that say that women shouldn't learn how to fight they should learn how to use their other skills um because most people don't want to agree that men and women are different they want to say equality but I prefer Equity to equality and men and women are different and if we're going to make progress we have to acknowledge that this is why getting men to change their gender and being in female sports is [ __ ] wrong it is wrong like my wife says this and again she might tell me off but she reckons that most men who change their gender are perverts and she doesn't think it women changing to men and by the way I've interviewed Caitlyn Jenner I acknowledge there are some humans who it must be so confusing to be them but I think there are many men who are you know you can't allow this you know there was the man that got in the female prison and started going going mad how the why the [ __ ] did they allow that how can you let a an ex-man compete in a wom's sport so what I'm saying is men and women are different and we shouldn't allow men to go and compete in women's Arenas um but that it's a highly charged subject yes I mean do you think a man who's making out that they're a woman should be able to go into a female changing rooms I am conflicted in that I don't have the right answer to that or an opinion strong enough because I do believe that there are people who whether they Believe it or whether is a biological reason that they feel that they're not in their right gender and I think there is a subgroup of people who feel and are uh not accepted by society and when a society groups people in male and female you have a problem where do they go to the bathroom so there has to be some sort of and going into a male bathroom is going to be dangerous for them so I believe that that we don't we as a society haven't got the right solution and the only way we can say is like you go to the female bathroom so is there a third bathroom but that that's that's the right of one person putting the many at risk well no but surely one life is also important that we shouldn't put them at risk by them going potentially into a mail bathroom and being beaten up yeah I mean we again we're getting into the Nuance to where it's probably based on an individual I mean I don't think we can look at it as a you know just the statistics because in the individual situation dictate also how the rest behaves and so I don't have an answer to that I do believe that if it's a transgender man should not go into female sports yeah I completely agree how how did that the advantage of having testosterone in your body gives you an advantage over a female hormones so that is not a category that they can compete in if they go into men's sports you know is there a it's a public thing is it it's different to going to a private space which is a bathroom where you could potentially be in danger I think those two things are very different yeah yeah they are different and the sports one is easy for me which sounds like it is for you it it is for me because it's an advant it's a physical advantage and the reason why we separate men and women is because men do have because men and women are different they are okay I just said men and women are different it's okay we should not judge a Woman by a man's standards and we should not judge a man by a woman's standards but we are judging that's the problem then that's the problem then it is it is yeah and what do you think about feminism oh ouch um Define feminism the belief that men and women deserve equality or as you called it Equity I'm going to use those words interchangeably I don't believe that men and women should have equality because we are different I believe we should have Equity where our differences are honored and then individual those skills and traits that we have are very different are maximized and I would use an analogy of the school system so if you ask me what I think about the school system I think it's pretty [ __ ] and I think we're taught a lot of General [ __ ] we don't need and then when the Geniuses pops up in all of us cuz we're all a genius in some way in most mainstream schools it it doesn't get noticed what I would say in school is you know we need to learn maths and English and things like that but then let's find a way that we can bring out the individual genius and then when we find the individual genius let's get rid of all the friction and let's let them go for it and let's let them become themselves and let's not judge them on because you know you've got people who apparently got learning difficulties but they're [ __ ] great at selling you know they're selling on like Mo most entrepreneurs are dyslexic you know for example is that a fact well a lot no no a lot of entrepreneurs I know famously people like Richard Branson my friend and Neville right are hideously dyslexic if you're [ __ ] in the classroom you're probably good on the playground you you've got good I actually like so the I've watched a little bit of the Jordan peton interview that you did with him and I think he brilliantly put people in terms of his five personality traits and entrepreneurs and that kind of like artistic creative and you know when you're dyslexic you can't rely on your conscientiousness or you know ability to be good with DET you you've got to find out who you are and then unleash that genius and school is is a bit homogenized and you know blanket and and Broad and in a way Society is is a bit like that it's not really honing trying to put people into very small categories that's what I believe so the category of you're a masculine man that means that's good you're a feminine woman that means that's good and everything else in between is kind of like well we don't understand it we're afraid of bit like money like we don't understand it we kind of afraid we don't want to talk about it and the same you know Rel into the education system where we try to fit everybody into the same mold sit at a classroom desk you know pirate fashion learn and don't move and like that is not you know ADHD is on the rise well why because these people need to have physical activity like to be honest we all do and so creating these very narrow view of what we're supposed to be doing in my opinion is what's creating the whole problem in the first place but um so would you consider yourself a feminist I would consider I've never really I don't like labels I don't like labeling myself um because I like the fluidity and the freedom of because I think it's a real strength to be able to change your opinion and I think it's a real strength to be able to have discourse in a respectful way even if you don't agree and hopefully you you'll feel that that's how this discussion has been and you can tell me at the end so as soon as I label myself I brand myself something and then I don't have that fluidity so I've never really thought about labeling myself if I if I were to start putting some labels on myself because you're the first person that's asked I'm a Valu what is that I don't know I've just made it up okay well what so okay are you just picking something out of the air or does it mean something I'm giving you an exclusive scoop oh my God you're a Valu what is it how do we draw because I I believe we all have latent value you're smart in areas I'm not I've read and researched in areas you haven't our gentlemen here the same and I believe if we could honor everyone's individuality which is not easy because we have to put them in boxes male female you know left right cuz that's easy um but if we were able to somehow give people the the fundamentals that they need and the foundation to find their own value and uniqueness and strengths and then Society rewarded that because it often doesn't and then you found how to be the most valuable human you can as a drummer or as an artist or as a podcaster i that's what I am and that's why I probably like capitalism I mean we don't we're not really in a capitalist Society at some Hodge poch but I I'd rather have that over communism because at least capitalism creates the free markets and the Fair competition it's not perfect so I'm more of a Valu I'm I'm I like Enterprise I mean I call myself an entrepreneur that's just because I love business and I'm passionate about business but I'm probably more about free enterprise hey what are you good at good go do it let's get the government out of the way let's give you as much support as we can make sure let's make sure you're being valuable though so we've got some rules and let's make sure there's some competition down the road so you're not greedy and and and let's play and let's see what um you know how we can you can make your greatest impact cuz if you imagine the collective Society is going to be so much better if everyone's as useful as they can be but the problem is society's this this sort of like very stereotyped set of rules which judges everyone cuz when you're judged you can't be yourself if Society you're this and you're that and you You' got to go over there and you got to be in the kitchen and you got to do this no we're all we're all different so yeah I'm a Valu whatever that is okay no I'm with you in terms of putting people into two small categories and Society wanting to push you into that because it's the brain needs to evolve the human brain needs to evolve to be able to account for the different the nuance and the different ways of being and I think that's definitely holding us back both you know when it comes to like masculinity femininity entrepreneur corporate worker you know all these these labels that you these change as well this is what's hard how old are you 41 okay so I'm 44 they change like you're in recruitment man the the workplace has since lockdown I've never seen it change so much yeah and and and sometimes because the thing with money is it loves speed and it hates friction so you know crypto is a far fast form of money you know your Apple pay is a fast form of money so money is always looking for the fastest and the least amount of friction and to a certain degree that's how Society evolves sometimes it de evolves back but often it evolves like that and so as you're going through this rapid change which gets faster and faster you can get left behind and it's really hard to keep up um and so this is one of the reasons why I love being an entrepreneur is because I have to watch these things and you know I'm talking about things on the podcast today that quite frankly I didn't expect to be talking about but that's how fast things change we started talking wanted to be grilled so they well and you you've gone for it but but the point is we started about money which is my specialist subject and now we're talking about all these these other manner of things um and and and social media changes and content changes and business changes and generally the people who are the the least stressed who are able to find their value the most who evolve the quickest and who generally do the best in life as a person personal measure is those that can adapt to the change because there's nothing more frustrating when you feel you're stuck in another time zone I try not to be like that as a parent you know when my son goes through Pub I'm you know yeah exactly and but I'm thinking about when I was but you know kids don't drink in the same way they don't socialize in the same way so I I I I need to not be the guy that stuck in the 1980s or or '90s and being an entrepreneur really helps you with that one of the things I really liked what you said in your book money is I can't remember how you phrased it so bear with me I think it was something to do as like let the money flow through you and I really like that idea and that was you know when you gave me the 20 and I was like oh I can't take it because my personal belief around money is that I have to deserve it but you could have gone and taken it to a nice bouquey cake shop and G bought 20 of CES and then G and given those cakes away yeah I could have donated it to a charity of choice yes but even though it's like it's it's the block of saying well I still need to deserve it even if I am going to be giving it away but I like this idea of flow of letting it flow through you and being more conscious about where do you actually put your money right so you can spend it on a Starbucks or you can go and spend it at your local coffee shop where you talk to the owner and you know their life and their kids and you've seen them all grow up you can you know take this money you can donate it to a charity you can take this money and I don't know send it to your relatives if you're an immigrant somewhere else or you can buy some good Hardware equipment for your podcast do that yeah yeah yeah never ending that is that is never ending so no I really like that concept see for money to be able to flow through you now this I'm going to bring it back to your discussion about rich so the rich are very good at getting money flowing through them people assume greedy people they make millions and they hoard it they actually don't you know they tip big they have a private crew on their private jet and a crew on their yachts and all those people are feeding their families so like money is a paradox Joel use Paradox everything has that which means that if you hoard money oh I'm told to save I've got to save oh this is mine no one will give you any more money to a point because you'll build that reputation conversely oh money's got to flow through me I'll just spend it on anything I want and it will come to me those extremes don't work so you have to be mindful of your money manage it well invest it well but some people who are hoarders have to spend more I'll give you an example of this and this is weird how this has happened but when I was 20 three um I was broke and she wasn't she had a good job and every time we went out she had to pay and it was humiliating for me she was cool um and I always said to myself like after we split up I was like I'm going to make some money and I'm going to anyway I did I made some money and I took a few grand and I put it in an envelope and I stuck it through a door and I basically said thank you but this is all the money you ever spent on me here it is back because I felt such shame now that was just me there that said a lot about my emotions around money but what that did was that really got me to Value going out for dinner cuz I couldn't afford it and I would go and there would be I would want to be with my girlfriend but there'd also be some shame some humiliation there so I I swore after that I will always get the bill I will and like you're going to fight me and let you know to get this bill you're one of those yeah well I I was one of those before there was one of those so I wouldn't fight anyone I just go and pay it it's always paid I'm not it's not not like hey look at me I'm paying you know but I just always go and sort it out it was a thing of mine so notice how you judged me I'm one of those no I'm one of me anyway I've done that so much now that it's very hard for me I'm only doing it for clickbait of course crack on okay you're the first one experimenting so now it's very difficult for me to get dinner because everyone knows what I'm like and um I got one friend Luke who used to be in the UFC he all keeps paying for my dinners the whole time so they have to like prepay like a month in advance no just because he always takes the bill right so here's my point people pay for me now because for years I've paid for other people so I believe the universe is giving me back what I've been giving it and I I could probably go out for dinner the next hundred times and not take my money and not say anything I would never do that because you know why and people would pay my dinner so what I'm saying is the the money flowing through you is not just it's how you manage it and how you spend it and where you spend it and what you say to other people about what you do with money and and I think that's really important but there's one thing you're talking about hoarder if there isn't something coming in it's very hard to then be like okay I'm just going to give the money out because it's also figuring out I mean income right and if you haven't figured that bit out it's very hard to then if you're that way inclined to be the saver the scriper to then give the money away I mean look you know if you either you know have lottery winners who like okay great lots of money and then all of it is gone manage it because they got the money but not the skills well they they don't have the skills but they also haven't figured out how to either make money make money or create another business or figure out some kind of a a system where the money comes in which is what I like about the analogy of of of the flow because it needs to come from one place and to go somewhere as opposed to being only one directional either in or out so one thing people don't understand about money and I'm writing it well I've just finished writing it in my book money Matrix which comes out next year is that there are actually four stages making it managing it maintaining it and multiplying it and in each one of those stages different skills are required if you want to multiply money you got to take risks you got to speculate you got to make big bold moves if you want to make money we got to figure out first probably get out of debt first so maybe let's cuz what you got to think about is what your base neutral is if your B base neutral is you spend more than you earn you've got to hoard a little bit more to change that if you're the sort of person that's known as the tight fisted stingy one you got to do the opposite so you work out what your net honest base neutral is and work out okay it's either spending too much or not spending enough that's stopping the flow then correct those to make them more balanced and as they become more balanced so if you spend a little bit more when you're a hoarder people go wait well how do you know something wrong with Rob you got dinner I I'll get the next one and and the world changes remember all money comes through people MH and then also bloody H Rob starting to save some money he's not coming out drinking all the time and just spending all the money and and so stage one is getting out of debt and figuring out where you're out of balance and then getting back into balance and then once you've got that sorted you've got the right balance of in versus out I.E you've got a bit more in than out and then you want to work out okay how do I get more coming in because you because if you get more coming in when it comes into something that's broken it's broken so more coming in might be starting a business doing some um calls evenings and weekends getting some extra commissions or stuff like that um and then o over once you've got a good system then you can build multiple streams of income so I have property and content and books and audio books and YouTube and other stuff what are the qualities do you need to make money like top five okay you need to be very useful to enough people aist there you go you need to be useful to enough people at something that theyve value we were just talking about Charlotte Tilbury a great example M created monetization in many ways because obviously you know how people look is really important if you're useful to one person you're not going to make much money if you're useful to 10 million people whatever that utility is you're going to make so and to be able to be useful to enough people you've got to figure out where you are useful I.E have you got a good idea have you got a good product have you got a good set of skills so there's two then sales you have to sell the thing and there are so many coaches Consultants trainers and people out there who got a nice product and they they care they're crap at selling and they've got all these issues inside they don't like rejection they wouldn't want to be judged you know and all of that see loads of artistic people like that that used to be me do you have any tips on how to overcome that just know that selling is love as long as what you do there is love in what you do I couldn't sell gambling to you because there's no love in gambling for me but there's love in talking about money and creating content and so if there's love in what I create I can transmute that energy to you not in a hippie lovey kind of way but you know what I mean love in the terms of passion and energy and you know I'd be pretty confident like someone wanted to come on my podcast Harry got it sorted out and I'm like they need to be a sponsor and I did a deal with him and I got him as a sponsor I said to Harry damn right I'm closing him because what I've got is valuable and you know when it comes to money I'm I'm a good seller um you know I've got my next book money Matrix and I love it I'm buying everyone needs to buy it so because what when there's no selling there's no love I.E if you're embarrassed about what you if you you know people say well you know you got to like the product well yeah you have of course cuz if you don't there's no love so love and energy and passion that's the best way cuz I don't really see selling a selling I see is an exchange of energy you know between us like um I'm easy to sell to if you had a McQueen shirt you're not selling to me I'm buying from you so so then there's marketing so selling is turning making the transaction but marketing is finding the person so um I always wanted to get married in a Tom Ford suit I think Tom Ford is absolute he is one if anyone's listening and they can get me Tom Ford like we are made I will be whatever I might even disown Andrew Tate to get on Bo I know the the wife of the creative director now she came on the podcast Tom for I love Tom Ford and do you know the way he talks about his ex partner it's just with love love Tom Ford and I always just I I I get when I like someone like radio head or Porcupine Tree or Tom Ford or McQueen or Cartier or I a the biggest fan so um I wanted to get married in a Tom Ford suit and I got the James Bond one the gray one the three-piece one and I went in then like I thought I was just going to get suit jacket and a pair of trousers shoes apparently you need a day shirt and an evening shirt I had the tie pin was a few hundred quid the tie and then the dicky bow and I I came out with about I went in thinking the suit back suit back then I got married quite a while ago was What four five grand and I I spent 11 or 12 Grand he was a brilliant seller because he was passionate about Tom Ford me going into the shop and me knowing Tom Ford was marketing so knowing the brand is marketing going in there and having that upell cross sell all sell experience is sales so if you combine those things I've just said together I think I covered four you can do very well in business the the fifth thing I would probably say is make sure you embrace the more modern medium media of finding clients podcasts YouTube Tik Tok threads X formerly known as Twitter you know all your clients are out on all your social media because everyone's on social media so it's a great way to put your eye out to the World by just showcasing it on social media I mean you're on Spotify YouTube I Tunes yeah Works you're going to want to be of course why would you not want to be on the mall you can be seen by more people Rob you're a fascinating person and so do you do you regret or are you glad I'm very glad but I I I did think that I would be glad to have you on the show because you're open You're vulnerable You're passionate you are well read you write I mean anybody who can write 20 books like is impresses me very much and you you have a lot of genuinely not only interesting but very valuable valuable things to bring to the world Valu you heard it first and I've learned about money or and relearned some of the things about money I'm very glad that you came on the show so thank you very much thanks for inviting me into your home yes and can I have that money now yes there you go can I have it all no but I like that you ask if you take the 40 quid and then you're going to pay it forward yes that's what I'm planning to do with it yeah all right that's my fee thank you for being on the show and thanks for having me on and invite me into your home I think we've got to go now to our to our next one but it's been a lot of fun no thank you [Music] he

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