Ranking EVERY Exotic Class Item in Destiny 2 (Warlock Edition)

welcome to the if I put your class item in a low tier you're going to hate me forever I mean the Exotic warlock class item tier list video today similar to the one we did with Hunter we're going to rank all of the various combos to give you an idea of which ones you should get excited about if you get them to drop which ones you should build around and which ones are a little bit more of an afterthought as I said with the previous video you should not delete any roles even if they're in a low tier the only rules you should be deleting are dupes and once again if you want to keep track of which ones you have you want a dup tracking spreadsheet one of my moderators made one I will link it in the description let's get started off we've got the Assassin's cow and by the way the tears I know they're named kind of interestingly I'll explain what the tear mean as we go but we're starting off with Assassin's cow and Claws of ahamkara so if we pull up all the descriptions we of course know assassin's cow um gives us the Assassin's cow portion of invisibility on melee Hills it does not give us the healing I talked about this a lot on Prismatic Warlock and how it wasn't particularly great because of the existence of stylish executioner however on warlock it has a few more merits because warlocks don't have any aspects that allow them to go invisible so having assassin's Cal as an option on warlock presents the possibility for an entirely new gameplay Loop which gives it merits and can push it up into some higher tiers Spirit of the claw however where you gain an extra melee ability charge is pretty trash in most circumstances because if you look at the Warlock melee options you've got chain lightning you really want a second chain lightning you got incinerator snap who cares p um blast if you really want to freeze that much stuff just use Bleak Watchers you got Arcane needle which already has three charges you really need a fourth and pocket Singularity are you joking like there's just not really any area where you're like oh I really want an extra melee ability charge this one is probably going to go in the sad Vince McMahon tier um this was previously called our four fun tier in our previous video which is so to say that like hey you shouldn't delete this role and I'm not saying that you can't use it I'm not I'm not the Arbiter of what you are and are not allowed to use in Destiny but in objective tier list where I'm like hey this is a good perk combo this will get you a lot of kills this will do you high DPS versus hey if you use this like yeah it might be fun but it's not going to be particularly good like that's what that tier is for so this is kind of like the tier of like hey man what rooll did you get you're like yeah I really want to talk about it so next up we have cow and mantle of battle Harmony which is kind of an interesting combination one of the biggest merits for C in my opinion the idea that you can go Arcane needles so that you have three melee abil charges and then you take lightning surge so that you can do the slide into like the you know if you have three melee charges with that you can do that a ton plus you have assassin's cow so you go invisible whenever you nuke something with that that's kind of a cool and interesting game playay Loop right and then you couple that with something like mantle of battle Harmony which is upon scoring a super element matching weapon kill grants additional super energy um you get more supers you go invisible on the melee kills you have three M like that's kind of a fun thing is it going to be like nuts right like is that going to be a particularly powerful gameplay loop I don't think so I don't think I'm going to put it in what was our previous like I this our thumbs up computer kid tier where it's like you know you you kind of that's a good build right um I kind of feel like it's more in the middle tier where it's like you try it and you're like gross that sucks actually no that actually might not be that bad I feel like it belongs more than the kombucha girl tier you could I don't know with more testing it it kind of depends holds up in higher end content I feel like I'm comfortable putting it right here though it's decent it has merits it's decent I could see it being good for the same reason assassin's Cal Star Eater if you want to play in that same world of like you know lightning surge Arcane needle triple charges go invisible plus like this is just instead of getting our super faster we're making our Super Deal more damage right like these two perks don't really have any synergies with each other um but like they both do their own thing that can be really good depending on how you build your warlock assassin's Cal and Starfire this is brutal to say like how How Far We've Fallen but pretty much all Starfire roles in in my opinion are trash hear me out hear me out if you if we look specifically at the Starfire perk right while in a well of Radiance or empowering Rift get Grenade energy per weapon hits and Grant 20% Grenade energy on weapon kill if we look at Prismatic and and I want to make this explicitly clear cuz I think there were some misconceptions about this in the previous tier list video exotic class items only work on Prismatic so you cannot equip an exotic class item with like a solar subass for example which means that this whole wow in a well of radience thing is kind of meaningless on Prismatic warlock because Prismatic warlock can't even run well of Radiance now sure you can say oh Mac just get a teammates run well of Radiance for you and then they can plop it on you and then you get Ed out of your listen if you need a pocket Mercy to make effective use out of your exotic class item that doesn't sound very powerful right so the only way you can get used out of this is in an empowering Rift and it's like in most situations you are way better off running Phoenix dive on Prismatic warlock because in a lot of situations you're probably either going to be running helon or helion or Weaver's call both of which activate on class ability usage you've got your Phoenix dive which heals you and heals everyone nearby it's instant as opposed to having to put it down in it stationary and it has a very low cool down so you're pretty much always running Phoenix dive in most setups and if you're not running Phoenix dive you're probably running healing Rift so it's like you don't really and also cherry on top just use the the spirit of osmo mancy it does like the same thing but not having to be in an empowering Rift so it's like it's just not like there's so many better options pains me to say it but pretty much every single Starfire roll is going to go in either that one horse drawing tier or the sadin McMahon tier that one horse Ryme by the way while we're talking about it that is a tier we carried over from our previous video it's this thing and if it still doesn't make sense to you this side of the horse is really nice this side of the horse not so nice one of the perks is incredible the other perk is is yeah most of the Star Fire rolls are going to go in there unfortunately just cuz it's not a great one another thing that might be controversial assassin's Cal and swarm also going into the sadin MCM when I first saw swarm as an option I was like ooh that's awesome that sounds like it could have some really cool Combos and really cool synergies but then when I saw what Spirit of the Swarm specifically did upon destroying a tangle spawns to threadings you'll notice that it is missing the part of the swarmer Exotic where threadings can unravel targets and then an unraveled Target can create another tangle and then destroying that tangle can create two more threadings and then those two threadings can go unravel a Target the gameplay Loop feeds into itself in this season where we have threaded blast where you turn your Tangles into nuclear bombs and it kills every single thing in a 10 m radius it doesn't really matter if destroy and Tangle spawns two threadings because one everything's going to be dead already and the threadings aren't going to have anything to go attack sure they'll then jump onto you and then you have it for the next set but two on Prismatic warlock you can't run threat of evolution for increased thread Ling damage so like the damage isn't particularly great anyway so it's really unfortunate but Spirit of the Swarm like there's just not a lot of stuff it's a tiny bit of added damage in a given like fight but like wouldn't you much rather have significantly higher super energy wouldn't you rather have significantly higher super damage significantly higher melee damage significantly higher grenade damage it's just it's not it sucks I feel really bad for warlocks if you're a warlock man I feel for you I it doesn't bring me joy to put these in lower tiers but calar this is one that we can actually put in a decent tier I'm toring between the thumbs up computer kid and the kombucha girl tier I'm going to go with I'm just I'm going to say thumbs up computer kid because here here's what I'm envisioning right you got you know you got like Vortex Grenade on warlock get void weapon kills to increase the damage of it you also run threaded needle for triple melee charges you run lightning surge so that your sliding melee powered thing is the you know carpet bomb electric thing that makes you in visible there's a lot of cool stuff that this pairing can do so I actually like it a lot the Assassin's Cal synth theps combo I want to put it in our happy Vince McMahon tier our s tier which is um this bad boy right here you know this is this is the face you're going to make if you get this roll I want to put it in there because like thematically that sounds cool right a melee damage warlock build right the triple charges the lightning surge you you buff all the damage of all of that by 165% with synth theps that sounds really cool I just don't know how great it would be in practice you know what I'm going to put it up there I like that's a genuinely unique gameplay Loop that has genuine strength to it I think that that could be a legitimately really good uh build so I throw that up there finally we have assassin's cow Vesper Vesper is in the same ter uh territory as swarm where it's like when you first hear it you're like ooh sweet they put Vesper on the class item that's awesome but then you actually read Spirit of Vesper and you see it says Rifts emit an arc shock wave every 5 Seconds dealing damage to enemies enemies killed by shock waves explode dealing damage what did they take out the entire part of Vesper that makes Vesper Vesper which is the fact that the shock waves blinded enemies that part's gone so literally all this does is your riffs deal a little bit of damage now I'm not saying that's completely useless similar to how Spirit of the Swarm is not completely useless but when you stack it up against a ton of extra super energy ton of extra super damage a ton of extra melee damage a ton of extra grenade damage it's lacking unfortunately so this one adad mcmah here um moving on to the seant filaments this one is rough for me so Spirit of the filaments standing on empowering Rifts created by the user grants devour for 11 seconds this could be nice for like team play I suppose because correct me if I'm wrong those who are watching this live twitch.tv/ mctic by the way theoretically if you're running this as a warlock player if you put your empowering Rift down your teammates can stand in your Rift and they will get devour as well is that how that works so it's like listen in a ra setting that can be kind of good that has merits right but at the same time we're like listen we're selfish players okay screw our teammates they can fend for themselves I I want devour that's all I care about and the thing is on warlock you're probably always going to be running feed the void because it gives you enhanced devour which is a full HP heal on every single kill you get devour from literally any ability kill or a tangle kill I'm just reading now that's crazy and you get get grenade abil you get double grenade ability energy on kill compared to regular devour like feed the void feed the void for warlock is the equivalent of stylish executioner for Hunter it's so good so it's like I don't similar to how I said I don't really love the idea of assassin Cal like it's not particularly strong on Prismatic Hunter because stylus executioner exists why would you run assassin's Cal when stylus executioner Pro invisibility on more criteria and gives you a 200% damage bonus when you strike from invisibility why are you running see and filaments when you have a better version of devour that's easier to acquire and gives you more benefits right so a lot of the see and filament ones are just are going to be rough I'm going to put the one with mantle battle Harmony and that one horse drine because battle Harmony is really good same with star eaters um same with Verity's brow I'd say you know you could make the argument that with synth theps it can be okay you you know you have the angle for that melee build and then you know plus maybe you also run EMP powering Rift so you have devour as well as the melee build and devour kind of makes up for the fact that you're not going invisible on the melee kills cuz you don't have Assassin Scout but like the one with claw the one with Starfire the one with swarm and the one with the one with vasper it's just not that great right I know the one with vasper has like a theoretical Synergy right and the one with Starfire has a theoretical Synergy um because it's like oh well Mac but if I'm using an empowering Rift to get devour from seeking filaments then hey it's perfect ITN it synergizes with Starfire beautiful now I'm getting Grenade energy and I have devour and that's that is true I'm not saying that that doesn't exist but it's really important to remember that you can get the same effects but better if you just instead run feed the void and you run either osmany or in most light you get literally and then you don't even have to run empowering Rift you can then run Phoenix dive which allows you to proc helon more frequently which allows you to proc Weaver's call more frequently same thing goes with synergies with Vesper it and like like I said this is our four fun tier this is not me saying that you can't use it I'm not saying you're not supposed to use it but like listen when you objectively compare it to the other available combos it's just not that good moving on to our inmost light pairings inmost light is probably it's if we were ranking the perks individually for warlock inmost light is s tier pretty much anything with inmost light is going to be absurd it's so strong and plays so well into the Warlock gameplay Loop especially considering that you're typically always going to be running um Arcane needle for warlock because of the triple charges and it's just you know with this season Tangles being as good as they are and the other melee options just not being all that fantastic you have three charges that you can use to empower the Regeneration of your grenade and your class ability your class ability is on a super low coold down to empower the Regeneration of your grenade and melee and your grenade is going to be on a low cool down because you're probably going to be running feed the void for devour which gives you grenade regeneration on every single kill that will Empower your M and your class ability cool Downs so like warlocks with inmost light are kind of an ability cycling demon that being said it's parrying with claw is going to go in that one horse drawing deer just because this is in most light and this is claw it is what it is and you know in that same vein we're going to put its pairing with Starfire in that same tier it's pairing with swarm in that same tier and it's pairing with Vesper in that same tier a lot of these listen you could make the argument of like thumbs up computer kid versus happy Vince McMahon I'm I'm honestly going to say that like like Harmony is insane on warlock because like the Warlock Prismatic supers are genuinely good specifically Nova bomb cataclysm in that same vein star readers is really good because even though star readers wasn't particularly great on Hunter as we discussed in the hunter tier list video because of the lot of the a lot of the hunter supers don't do like a ton of damage the Warlock supers buffing a cataclysm nova bombs damage by 70% is a really big deal buffing needle storm by 70% is a really big deal like starers inos that's an that's an absurd combo inos synthos I'm not going to quite put that up in the happy Vince McMahon tier I'm probably going to put it one tier below just because this is very much confined to like the carpet bomb melee build um that's not to say oh but you know what honestly I don't know should this go in the N RS tier cuz like the idea is like if you have inmost light you're literally always going to have melee charges to do your carpet bomb you could go something like let me let me work this out in my head you can go like feed the void so you have devour so you have safety playing at those close ranges you have synthes apps for the bonus melee damage at those ranges you have lightning surge so that you have the carpet bomb and you have inmost lights you have a ton of ability regeneration so you can yeah no I yeah I'm putting that in s tier Verity's brow same situation s here bonus grenade damage inmost light to spike all your ability regenerations love that like I said inmost light is just absurd on warlock a lot of good combos to have right there next we have the necrotic pairings um necrotic melee hits apply necrotic poison poisoned enemies spread necrotic poison on death and fight meor radius uh ticks whatnot blah blah blah necrotic is it's that perk that everyone loves because like when you pair it with Osteo it's it can be really really cool the thing is I've heard this from a lot of people the the poison damage of Spirit of necrotic is tuned down significantly compared to that of the poison damage of the actual necrotic grips I just feel like I don't know I need a little bit of guidance on this one this is the one where I'm kind of shaky on those watching live right now what do y'all think of spirit of necrotic the lack of damage scaling is very noticeable in gameplay it's like a three or four out of five c b tier C tier C tier it's just not that impressive okay yeah that that about goes in line with what I've personally experienced and what I've heard from literally everyone else that has used it I have no doubt that in in onl content in a situation where it's like you know enemies are made of papier-mâché and like any damage whatsoever makes everything fall over I have no doubt that it would be pretty good literally anything in the entire game is good in those circumstances right you take anything and do a strike it's going to seem op so I'm going to say necrotic with claw just just cuz Claw is not that good right it's just it it's just not that good plus one melee charge there's better options to have like go with the melee ability regeneration Exotics you know what I mean I'm going to say necrotic and Claw I'll put it I'll I'll give necrotic it goes in that one horse drawing but it's it's not because necrotic is this and the claw is this it's more so because they have a little bit of synergy together because it's like oh necrotic is all about melee you know what necrotic is all about melee damage causing the poison and Claw gives you an extra melee charge so it's like oh there's that Synergy there but it's like is that really that powerful considering the Warlock melee options in conjunction with the reduced damage of necrotic on Spirit of the necrotic I don't think that's impressive um when you get up with mantle battle Harmony mantle battle Harmony is just good it's a good perk and if we want to if we want to go down the road of like hey not half you know not half bad you know mantle battle Harmony gets you a lot of super I like I I would put it in this want to make the argument of like necrotic is really not that good and we're just putting in here because mental battle Harmony but I will give necrotic like a little bit of credit you might say like hey Mac like necrotic can be really insane with the lightning surge build and it's like and my response would be like okay but in most light and synth is going to be 800 times better if you want to go down that path so we'll put necrotic and Starfire in I'm going to put this in the sadin MCM here because there's just no Synergy in any capacity here they're trying to do completely different things and neither of them Excel particularly at what they're trying to do I'll put it sping with starers and horse drawing because of starers I'll put it paing with swarm down here just don't think it's that great and then same thing going on here necrotic is all about melee vity is all about grenade I'll put it in the horse drawing cuz vity is that good for warlock necrotic with synth theps two things that are all about melee that's that has merits to it I think there's something you can do here I think that this is a combo that could legitimately work even though we've already established that um do you guys know does the synth theep damage buff the poison damage of necrotic it does not buff the poison if you want to say hey Mac this is really good because it works really well with a lightning surge build you run in you carpet bomb everything my response to you would be well wait a minute if lightning surge with synths is doing so much damage that the carpet bomb is nuking everything then why do you care about having an exotic that poisons everything cuz you're not going to poison everything if everything's already dead because you nuked it with 165% damage buff synthes up lightning surge you get what I mean one of this is one of those where I like to call it good on paper not quite as fantastic in practice right so we're going to we we're going to put it right there we're going to stick it in not trolling now we have oops this one got lost in here apparently um necrotic and Vesper n there's just no there's no Synergy now we have our aidian tier problem with aidans is pretty much just for PVP right so a lot of the aidans ones we can pretty much roll right through these they don't have a lot of PVE merits um mantle battle Harmony goes up here just for the horse drawing same with Star Eater um same with varities um but I'm going to say it's synth theps pering Starfire swarm Vesper all going in s McMahon now we have osoy which similar to Heart of inmost light is another s tier perk for warlock in my opinion like the Warlock Pantheon of exotic perks is going to be like osmany inmost Light Star Eater battle Harmony like those are the ones where you're like o yeah we're in good shape baby because if if so if we look at osoy so like by far the best Warlock grenade as like at least in terms of like damaging stuff goes and getting benefits from Osan is going to be Vortex grenade Vortex grenade Is Awesome on warlock thread Ling kind of in cuz you don't have thread of evolution cold snap um you don't really need to freeze stuff if it's all dying anyway healing grenade obviously I don't even think this works with osmy in any capacity and then storm grenade it's just it's I know it got a small buff heading into final shape but it's ultimately it is a shell of its former self so it's pairing with Vortex grenade I think if you tick something with a Vortex grenade while using the spirit of oam onany I think you automatically get 75% of your grenade back and then you consider the fact that you're probably running feed the void always on warlock cuz why wouldn't you it's that strong couple kills devour procs gets you the rest of the 25% back you're like doing this With Grenades you're dealing out grenades like someone's dealing out a poker hand at a poker table so osy is just that good paired up with claw it goes in horse drawing just strictly like osmany carries it there on its own osmany battle Harmony basically infinite grenade up time and really fast supers happy Vin McMan um omy swarmers horer oscy star eers we already said why star eaters is so absolutely insane on warlock happy Vince McMahon right Starfire already talked about Starfire osmany Verity this is a combo I have I am so in love with it this combo is so addictive you run a void weapon osmo mancy get your grenade back all the time varities your grenades are buffed by 100% so good so so good osmo mancy synth theps you can have I'm I'm going to put this in the thumbs up computer kid tier you have like a hybrid right you have like you have a high grenade up time build plus you have the syps if you want to run like you can go feed the void lightning surge Arcane needle that gives you devour capabilities that plays into your grenade and that plays into the S ofps may lay buff I don't think it's quite up here because there's a little bit of like disjunction between what the two perks are trying to do but like it's it's like it it gives you a little bit here and it gives you a little bit here it's not quite as strong where it's like you're buffing your super gains you're buffing up your super damage and you have two perks that synergize exceptionally well together but it's pretty good it's like a hybrid yeah hybrid build is a good way to say it comparing with Vesper horse try now we have the Stag my thing with the Stag the best class ability that you can use on Prismatic warlock is Phoenix dive as we've already discussed right you've got you know it gives you Max up time on helon if you're running that if you're if you prefer to run Weaver's call although I think helion's just better in all circumstances it gives you that it's an instant heal low cool down Phoenix dive is spectacular and obviously stag just gives you damage resistance when you're in Rifts and it's 25% 25% is not nothing it's pretty good in a world where probably 99% of your builds are going to have feed the void do you really want like a temporary damage resistance buff that requires you to stay in the exact same place and if you move out of that location you lose the damage resistance buff and you only get the damage resistance Buff when you have your Rift it's just like you know what I mean like what do you it's so limiting from like a position standpoint anything that forces you to like stand still actually make the build work just kind of in you know what I mean so we're going to put it's pairing with claw there horse tier for it's pairing with star eers horse tier for it's pairing with uh battle Harmony swarm Starfire going in sadin McMahon feser going in sadin McMahon it's pairing with Verity can go in horse tier because of vity it's parent with synth theps you can make two different arguments here right argument one this sucks because I use the Stag to put my Rift down and then I have to leave the rift to go and get into melee range of things so I get my synth theps buff argument two is this is really good because it allows me to get next to everything and then put my Rift down and then I'm un killable while I have my synthes damage buff this is a situation where it's like you have to try it in gameplay to know how it's actually going to feel to me personally this sounds more limiting than it does enabling so I'm going to put put it like in horse drawing not because like I just I don't think it's not trolling right I think it's just like it's so so right isn't stag Rift higher damage resistance than well now yeah probably or maybe it's equivalent I don't know but the thing is is like like what you're going to fit you're going to drop a stag Rift in the raid and have all six Guardians stand in this tiny little circle while you're doing DPS it's just like stag vasper has some play more than the lowest here yeah there's there's a bit of synergy there but like here's here's my thing right like you can say like oh no but this works really well together because you run in you get 25% damage resistance while you're in the rift and that makes up for the fact that Vesper is not blinding everything anymore but then I look at it and I say okay true but I look at all build stuff from an opportunity cost perspective and so I look at Stag vasper and I'm like okay yeah I get that that's a Synergy there if you're running stag Vesper then you can't run inmost synth theps which is the same idea of like Mega close range play right why would you ever run like if you want if you want to say like hey Mac this is really good because it allows you to play Super close up and it makes it really safe when you're doing that I would just turn around and say okay you know what does the same exact thing assassin's Cal and synth theps you play super close up with synth theps Buffs your damage by 165% and Assassin's cow is the aspect of it that keeps you safe and I would say invisibility is safer than 25% damage resistance only while your Rift is up and I would say that a 165% melee damage buff is much better than a little bit of Vesper damage so it's not that this is It's not that it's doing nothing of value it's just that like there's options that do the same exact thing that completely eclipse what you're trying to do with that combo finally we have our apotheosis Veil ratings originally when I first tried to record this video these were going to be the first pairings that I was going to go over but I decided to move them to the end because I have a very hot take with apotheosis veil in Prismatic apotheosis veil was seen as like really really really good back last season when you paired it with like strand warlock right because the idea is that you were running strand Warlock and you you would pop needle storm and then you would chuck a bunch of threading grenades and you would run the thread of evolution which which buffed all of your threading damage by 33% and it was like oh it the idea was that like you had this like big burst combo that was available every you know how however often your super was up that could deal like some pretty respectable damage the thing is when you look at Prismatic warlock which I do want to emphasize again I do want to emphasize again yeah it could it was good with solar too right it could kind of it could kind of restore the Starfire gameplay Loop right which again reminder the reason Starfire was as good as it was is because one Fusion grenades are the best damage grenade in the entire game and the touch of flame aspect turned every one Fusion grenade into two it literally doubled your damage I can't like I cannot emphasize that enough Touch of flame multiplied your damage by two so if you would typically hit for 3 million damage putting Touch of flame on made you hit for 6 million damage that's how impactful Touch of flame is right I feel like a lot of people look at apotheosis Veil and they're like oh it's really good because I remember that it was really good with solar Warlock and spamming Fusion grenades and I remember that it was really good with stram warlock and spamming threading grenades but the reason it was good with those is not just because you were using apotheosis fail it's because you had stuff like touch of flame and you had stuff like threat of evolution to buff up all of your damage significantly from those grenades if we look at Prismatic Warlock and we look at the grenade options that are available to us right you could spam storm grenades at the boss which are not terrible but they are most certainly a shell of their former s you could spam healing grenades at the boss that will go well you could spam cold snap grenades at the boss that'll be a ton of damage right you could spam threading grenades at the boss which whilst that was good with strand we don't have threat of evolution on Prismatic and you can only rock these exotic class items on Prismatic warlock so you're going to do 33% less damage with threading grenade spam than you ever could have done on strand warlock or you could spam Vortex grenades which for those who don't know how Vortex grenades work a boss can only take damage from one Vortex grenade at a time so if you Chuck six Vortex grenades at the boss and it has six Vortex grenades on it at the same time it's only going to take damage from one of them lit literally useless right in terms of the melee stuff you could spam chain lightning that requires you to be Point Blank Range incinerator snap also requires you to be very very close not Point Blank but incinerator snap does not have a lot of range at all if you're doing for like a witness DPS phase not going to reach never penumbral blast you're going to freeze the boss a ton you like what Arcane needle not a ton of damage pocket Singularity is this a cruel joke so it's like listen I know this is going to make a ton of people angry at me but the reality of the situation is apotheosis fail at least when paired with Prismatic warlock does not have a lot of grenade and melee options or at the very least doesn't have their pairing fragments or aspects that made them good on their original subclasses it doesn't have those synergies to make an ability spam DPS setup genuinely good compared to just like having star eaters nail a boss and then beam it with like whatever weapon you have as a result I think apotheosis Veil on Prismatic warlock is severely overrated it is not that great for DPS right that doesn't mean that none of these roles are good A lot of them are not good I'm going to say apotheosis Vesper sadin mcmah here apotheosis syntho I guess I'll give it that one horse draw in tier maybe just for the syn though the my biggest issue with apos is fail it's for you only it's only active for like 9 seconds after you cast your super so in terms of like in a general gameplay Loop you only get the effects of apotheosis fail for like 10 seconds out of every what 4 minutes 5 minutes it's the up time on it is and the Damage that you do get during that uptime from the abilities that you have at your disposal to spam is also criminal it's rough it's rough out here apotheosis varities this one this one you could make the argument is kind of okay because it's like oh if I run varities and I pair it with storm grenades and I get double damage on my storm grenades and then I cast my super and then I spam storm grenades yeah you can that can be okay I'm down with that one I I understand the merits of that one swarmers no Starfire no mantle of battle Harmony this one has an okay Synergy strictly because mantle of battle Harmony gives you your super very frequently which means if you have your super frequently you can have up time on athos's fail very frequently is it thumbs up computer kid tier though or kombucha girl tier the Synergy the the like the Synergy is nice right the way it synergizes together is nice like it goes hand in hand they they handshake but as we discussed before just you're not the apotheosis damage is not crazy my desire to not make everyone super mad at me tells me to put it in the thumbs up computer kid tier but my gut tells me to put it in the kuchi girl tier it could go either it could go let's heads it goes in computer kid Tails it goes in Kucha Tails good kombucha you pair it with star eers this is one that everyone told me was like mac this is so s tier if you put this below s tier you're completely trolling the starer aspect that is an S tier that that like the the starer aspect of this it's s tier when you pair it with warlock but again the apotheosis aspect it's not as good as people are making it out to be go like go in DPS go go load up salvation's Edge go into a witness DPS phase and tell me how effective it is to do an apotheosis ability spam on the witness or on the or on the herald of finality the second boss if you want to make the argument of like mac witness is a bad example cuz he's so far away not a lot of bosses like are like that okay do it on the herald of finality it's just not it's not that great it's not that great so okay so like here let me let me lay out the situation for you right what's going to give you more damage right against the herald of finality Star Eater apotheosis you pop your Nova bomb and then you spam storm grenades and incinerator snaps or pop a starer Nova bomb and then you pull out a sword and then you whack it with a sword over and over and over and over again the sword is going to obliterate that combo right song of flame plus plus apotheosis and star eater song of flame doesn't song of flame literally already give you your abilities instantly if you run apotheosis with song of flame isn't that literally a waste of a perk song of flame won't proc apotheosis until after the Super expires wait no okay then it's the same argument also especially in this season with expanding Abyss like Nova bomb cataclysmic is way better than song of flame it's a oneandone super it does more damage and it weakens no I don't think it does weaken it doesn't weaken but it's a one and done and it does more damage and if the target is weakened which if you're running warlock you're probably running Vortex grenade and you probably have the facet of dominance where your Vortex grenade will weaken targets if you're running expanding Abyss then it means your Nova bomb is going to deal 25% bonus damage that is something that song of flame can't keep up with and even with without it I feel like no bomb cataclysm is going to beat it cuz it's a one and done compared to like 10 seconds I don't know I'm torn man I'm torn you know what here's the deal I'll make you guys a deal apotheosis man apotheosis star eers if you guys can send me a clip of you using apotheosis and star eers any salvations as boss either the Herold or witness you show me the scoreboard and the Damage number literally makes me like drop my jaw I'm literally like oh my God I cannot believe you did that much damage I will literally walk downstairs on my couch and film an apology video so don't don't comment down below and say ma you're a [ __ ] apotheos of starers show me show me the numbers apotheosis claw though so this is our Warlock tier list um a lot more D and F tier options compared to the hunter tier list unfortunately just because there's a lot of perks on the Warlock exotic class it that are not great right like swarmers got the Walmart version of swarmers Vesper got the Walmart version of vasper um stag just doesn't make a lot of sense on a class where you can have enhanced devour necrotic got the Walmart version of necrotic grips the damage is significantly neutered claw why do you care about an extra melee charge when you have crappy melee options and the best melee option that you do have has three charges and Starfire oh well and The Well of Radiance you okay that'd be great if I could run well of Radiance on Prismatic like what why would you doesn't make any sense on the bright side there's a lot more s tier picks right osmo mancy mantle battle Harmony inos light star eaters varities all absurdly strong Synergy with Prismatic warlock so the nice thing is you have a lot of really really high value picks when you're running Prismatic warlock which is really nice to hear not a whole lot of in like the in between area and even some of these are up for debate hopefully you found some value out of this hopefully you learned some new stuff and hopefully this gives you somewhat of an idea some you know some sort of guidance as to what you should build around what you should hunt for and things of that nature hope you enjoyed it I'll try to get the time one out as soon as possible go and check out the Warlock one Linked In the description thank you so much for watching and as always have a great day

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Length: 35min 5sec (2105 seconds)

Published: Thu Jun 20 2024