>> NEW YORK HAD THE HIGHEST DEATH RATE IN THE WORLD HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY BE JUMPING UP AND DOWN SAYING OH, GOVERNOR CUOMO DID A GREAT JOB. HE HAD THE WORST DEATH RATE IN THE WORLD. >> NO, YOU MISCONSTRUED THAT, SENATOR, AND YOU'VE DONE THAT REPETITIVELY IN THE PAST. >> WE'RE NOT SPREADING THE INFECTION ISN'T IT JUST THEATRE? IT'S THE KNOW THE VACCINE AND YOU'RE WEARING TWO MASKS ISN'T THAT THEATRE? >> HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE THEATRE. >> DR. FAUCI DO YOU STILL SUPPORT FUNDING OF THE NIH FUNDING OF THE LAB IN WUHAN? >> SENATOR PAUL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU ARE ENTIRELY AND COMPLETELY INCORRECT. I DON'T FAVOR GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH IN CHINA. YOU WERE SAYING THINGS THAT ARE NOT CORRECT. STEVE: OH, MAN THE SPARKS FLY WHEN DR. FAUCI IS INTERROGATED, LET'S SAY, BY KENTUCKY SENATOR RAND PAUL, A MEMBER OF THE SENATE EDUCATION HEALTH AND LABOR PENSIONS COMMITTEE, AND THE SENATOR JOINS US RIGHT NOW. GOOD MORNING TO YOU, SENATOR. >> GOOD MORNING. STEVE: WELL YOU'RE A DOCTOR SO YOU'VE GOT SPECIAL DOCTOR QUESTIONS OF THE DOCTOR. HE DOES NOT PARTICULARLY LIKE IT HE WAS ASKED THIS MORNING OVER ON ANOTHER CHANNEL ABOUT THE GIVE AND TAKE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU. HE HAD THIS TO SAY. >> COULD I JUST ASK ABOUT YOU AND RAND PAUL? DOES YOUR BODY TENSE UP EVERY TIME? >> [LAUGHTER] >> AND BY BODY YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. >> YEAH, YOU KNOW, GAIL, I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT TIT-FOR-TAT. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH HIM, BUT YOU KNOW? I'M JUST GOING TO DO MY JOB AND HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. STEVE: SENATOR HE SAYS HE'S JUST GOING TO DO HIS JOB BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH HOW HE'S DOING HIS JOB. >> IF HE WAS BEING INTERVIEWED BY A JOURNALIST THEY WOULD HAVE ASKED, DID THE NIH, DID YOUR SPECIFIC DIVISION OF THE NIH GIVE MONEY TO THE WUHAN LAB. THAT'S TRUE. WHAT HE'S ARGUING IS HE'S PARSING HIS WORDS. HE KNOWS HIS GROUP GAVE MONEY, BUT HE'S SAYING OH, IT WASN'T FOR JUICING UP THESE SUPER VIRUS ES. WE GAVE IT FOR OTHER RESEARCH. IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD ARGUMENT. YES WE GIVE TAXPAYER MONEY TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD, BUT NOT FOR ABORTION. DR. FAUCI IS ARGUING YEAH, WE GAVE IT, THE NIH AND MY GROUP SPECIFICALLY GAVE IT TO THE WUHAN LAB BUT THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE JUICING UP VIRUS ES. STEVE: THE MONEY IS FUNGIBLE AS YOU SAY ON CAPITOL HILL. >> IT'S EVEN WORSE THAN THAT, THE BAT SCIENTIST THAT'S THE MOST FAMOUS ONE FOR THE WUHAN INSTITUTE WHEN SHE PUBLISHED HER PAPERS, WHICH SCIENTISTS ACROSS-THE-BOARD ARE SAYING ARE GAIN OF FUNCTION, THEY WERE JUICING UP VIRUSES, THEY GAVE CREDIT TO DR. FAUCI. SHE SAID THE FUNDING CAME FROM, WE HAVE THIS IN BLACK AND WHITE, FROM A PEER REVIEW JOURNAL. SHE SAID THE FUNDING CAME FROM DR. FAUCI'S NATIONAL INSTITUTE A ID, THIS IS DR. FAUCI 'S BABY FOR 40 YEARS AND SHE LISTS HIM IN THE CREDITS HE CAN'T ESCAPE THIS. HE DID THE FUNDING AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS CHINA IS A RICH COUNTRY AND THEY'RE KICKING OUR BUTT IN SO MANY PLACES. WHY WOULD WE BE GIVING THEM MONEY FOR RESEARCH? WILL: SENATOR PAUL, DR. FAUCI CALLS YOUR EXCHANGE A TIT-FOR-TAT AND HE SAID HE DOESN'T MONTH WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS. THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S PLACED ON A PEDESTAL AND NO ONE THINKS IT'S APPROPRIATE TO QUESTION HIM NO ONE EXCEPT FOR YOU AND A FEW OTHERS. HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE ANSWERS YOU WANT? WE SAW IN THAT CLIP YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT USING NEW YORK AS A MODEL, WHY YOU SHOULD BE MASKED WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THE VACCINE AND IMPORTANTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING. THE ORIGINS OF THE CORONAVIRUS. HE SAID TO YOU DIRECTLY, THAT'S NOT TRUE, REGARDING HIS SUPPORT OF GAIN OF FUNCTION. WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S AN EDITORIAL GOING BACK TO 2011 THAT HE HAS SUPPORTED GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH. HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE ANSWERS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR , SENATOR? >> NO BUT WE'VE SENT INQUIRIES. THERE'S BEEN FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AS WELL AS INQUIRIES FROM HOUSE OVERSIGHT, WHEN IT WAS UNDER REPUBLICANS AND NOW FROM OUR OFFICE, RON JOHNSON AND OTHERS. WE'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY FOR SOME NIH PAPERS AND THE CONCLUSIONS BECAUSE IN THOSE CONCLUSIONS, WE BELIEVE IT WILL BE UNEQUIVOCAL FROM A GROUP OF SCIENTISTS THAT THEY WILL CONCLUDE THE YES THAT WUHAN INSTITUTE WAS MAKING THESE SUPER -VIRUSES. THEY ARE STILL GOING TO ARGUE THEY DIDN'T FUND IT BUT THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ARGUMENT. IT'S NOT A PARTISAN ARGUMENT SO WHEN DR. FAUCI GOES ON THESE OTHER CHANNELS AND THEY LAUGH IT UP BUT THEY NEVER ASK HIM, DID YOU FUND THE INSTITUTE. SO HE'S TRYING TO EVADE THAT HE FUNDED IT AT ALL. I ASK HIM THE GENERAL QUESTION, I DIDN'T ASK HIM WHETHER HE FUNDED GAIN OF FUNCTION. I SAID DID THE NIH FUND THE WUHAN LAB AND HE DANCED AROUND IT AND ANSWERED A DIFFERENT QUESTION, BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION AT ALL THAT THE NIH FUNDED THIS LAB WHETHER IT WAS GAIN OF FUNCTION, THERE'S MANY SCIENTISTS, DR. BALTIMORE, MANY SCIENTISTS OUT THERE, THERE WERE 200 SCIENTISTS IN THE CAMBRIDGE WORKING GROUP THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT CREATING THESE SUPERVIRUSES IN THE LAB AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY COULD GET OUT SO IT ISN'T JUST ME, IT'S NOT PARTISAN POLITICS. SHOULDN'T BE PARTISAN AT ALL. WE SHOULD WANT TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC IN CASE ANOTHER VIRUS LIKE THIS COULD ESCAPE. AINSLEY: THIS IS SO CRAZY THOUGH , BECAUSE IF THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THE NIH FUNDING AND THAT CAME FROM DR. FAUCI AND THIS SPREADS INTO A GLOBAL PANDEMIC AND NOW HE'S IN CHARGE OF THE RESPONSE IN THE UNITED STATES, THE IRONY OF THAT, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> IT'S EVEN WORSE THAN YOU MAKE OUT. THE PERSON THEY APPOINTED TO INVESTIGATE THE LAB FROM THE W. H. O. PERSPECTIVE IS THE GUY WHO GAVE THE MONEY, SO NIH GAVE THE MONEY TO A GROUP CALLED ECO HEALTH. THE HEAD OF ECO HEALTH, THEY GOT HIM TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER WUHAN WAS DOING ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE IN THEIR LAB, BUT IF THEY WERE, WOULDN'T HE THEN BE CULPABLE? SO DOESN'T HE HAVE A SELF- INTEREST IN SMOOTHING THINGS OVER? I'M NOT SAYING HE DID COVER THINGS UP BUT YOU WOULDN'T APPOINT SOMEONE WHOSE IN THE LINE OF SUPPLY CHAIN OF GIVING THE MONEY TO THEM BECAUSE ULTIMATELY HERE IS THE RUB. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT CAME FROM THE LAB. NOBODY KNOWS WHETHER IT CAME FROM THE LAB, BUT WHO BE CULPABLE? DR. FAUCI TO BE CULPABLE FOR THE ENTIRE PANDEMIC? SO COULD DR. DAZANK, AND SO COULD DR. XI. I'M NOT SAYING THAT HAPPENED I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU WOULDN'T PUT THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THE MONEY TO THE WUHAN LAB IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION. THAT LOOKS LIKE A COVER-UP. STEVE: NO KIDDING AND IT'S CURIOUS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE CORONAVIRUS WHICH HAS KILLED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS ALL SEEM TO BE REPUBLICANS, WHICH IS ODD. >> THERE SHOULD BE BIPARTISAN CONCERN. THERE'S 11 LABS IN THE UNITED STATES THAT ARE COOKING UP AND CREATING SUPER-VIRUSES. THAT'S WORRISOME. STEVE: JUSTER THE TURN SUPER
