>>> THIS WEEK THE NEW YORK >>> THIS WEEK THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL ANNOUNCED HER INVOLVEMENT IN A CRIMINAL PROBE INTO TRUMP. WERE JOINED BY MICHAEL COHEN WHO KNOWS HIS WAY AROUND THAT VERY ORGANIZATION. HE IS THE HOST OF A PODCAST AND THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "DISLOYAL." INSIDERS SAID HE KNOWS EVERYTHING. MICHAEL, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. YOU DID CALL MUCH OF THIS EARLIER THAN MUCH OF THIS WAS CONFIRMED IN PUBLIC INVESTIGATIONS. LETS TAKE A LOOK. >> IN THE OFFICE WITH ME WAS ALLEN WEISSELBERG, THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. >> MR. WEISSELBERG FOR SURE. >> THE ONLY FEW PEOPLE THAT IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION THAT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TAXES, ALLEN WEISSELBERG. >> ALLEN WEISSELBERG MADE THE DECISION. >> ALWAYS ALLEN WEISSELBERG ON THE CHECK. >> WALK US THROUGH WHAT YOU SAW. >> IM NOT SURE I HAVE HEARD ALLEN WEISSELBERGS NAME ENOUGH. >> GO AHEAD. >> IM NOT SURE I SAID ALLEN WEISSELBERGS NAME ENOUGH. ALLEN WEISSELBERG IS ONE OF THE KEYS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT THIS. I SAID THIS ON JOY REIDS SHOW LAST NIGHT ON MSNBC AND I STANDBY IT. THE PERSON THAT WILL END UP FLIPPING FIRST IS DONALD TRUMP. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT, LIKE YOUR PREVIOUS GUEST THAT YOU JUST HAD ON, DONALD TRUMP NEVER PUT HIS NAME ON EVERYTHING. HE HAD, AS YOU KNOW, NO E-MAIL. HE VERY RARELY TEXTED, IF EVER, IF HE WAS TWEETING. HE WILL TURN AND SAY, IT WASNT ME. IT WAS MY CFO. HE WORKED WITH MY ACCOUNTANT. IT WASNT ME. HE WILL BLAME EVERYONE. HE WILL BLAME IVANKA, DON JR., ERIC, THE ACCOUNTANT, CALAMARI, ME, ANYBODY ELSE. BECAUSE THE TWO THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP FEARS AND FEARS MOST IS, NUMBER ONE, LOSING HIS COMPANY, LOSING HIS MONEY AND THE SECOND IS LOSING HIS FREEDOM AND HE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT HE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESNT HAPPEN. SO I WOULDNT BE SHOCKED IF HE WOULD SPEAK TO PROSECUTORS BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE. >> WELL, YOU MENTIONED THAT HES GOING TO GO AND SAY IT WASNT ME, CLASSIC SHAGGY DEFENSE. BARBARA WAS WITH US AS WELL. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT SHE SAYS. >> I THINK WEISSELBERG IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS KIDS. I THINK THAT WHAT THEYRE DOING IS THE KIND OF THING THAT THEY DID WITH FLYNN. DO YOU REMEMBER HIS KID AND THEN HE TURNED OR HE CAVED OR WHATEVER. AND WEISSELBERG WONT LET HIS CHILDREN GO TO JAIL. >> HOW DOES THAT SQUARE WITH YOUR VIEW THAT IT COULD BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE RACING TO THE POINT AT EACH OTHER? >> WELL, I HAD SAID THAT PRIOR TO BARBARAS COMMENTS, WHICH IS THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO SPEND THE GOLDEN YEARS OF HIS LIFE INCARCERATED. ON TOP OF THAT, HE HAS HIS TWO SONS THAT HE MANAGED TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, AS WELL AS THE CAROUSEL IN CENTRAL PARK. AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AD NAUSEAM. TRUTH BE TOLD, HE DOESNT WANT TO SEE THEM IN PRISON EITHER. OR HES GOING TO PROVIDE THE TESTIMONY THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL RAL AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WANTS. IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER. HE DOESNT G ET TO PICK AND CHOOSE. NOW WILL WEISSELBERG AT SOME POINT TRY TO PLEAD THE FIFTH? THATS NOT GOING TO WORK. HE WILL THEN PLACE HIMSELF AND HIS CHILDREN IN THE SAME JEOPARDY THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE JOURNEY HERE, A LOT OF TIMES IN THE INVESTIGATIONS AND IN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, EVERYONE IS TRYING TO IMAGINE WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE UP AGAINST. YOU HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN IN A SITUATION AND IT IS SOMETHING YOU OF COURSE HAVE SPOKEN OUT ON AND EVOLVED ON. IM CURIOUS IF YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH BASED ON THE FIVE STAGES OF TRUMP LOYALTY IF YOU REMEMBER FOR YOURSELF AND I KNOW YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT IT WHEN YOU STARTED TO CHANGE YOUR VIEW AND REALIZE THAT NOT ONLY WAS THERE NO PROTECTION FOR YOU BUT THERE WAS OTHER THINGS IN PLAY. WHERE DO YOU THINK MR. WEISSELBERG WOULD BE ON THAT SPECTRUM? >> SO ITS NOT JUST ALLEN WEISSELBERG. WE WILL USE HIM AS THE EXAMPLE. WHAT YOU ULTIMATELY FIND WITH DONALD AS THIS INVESTIGATION CONTINUES IS THAT ALLEN IS GOING TO BE THROWN UNDER THE BUS. HES GOING TO BE IGNORED. HES GOING TO BE DENIGRATED. THEYRE GOING TO ATTACK HIS CREDIBILITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHEN THEY REALIZE THAT HES NO LONGER ON THEIR SIDE, THAT HE IS TAKING A POSITION TO PROTECT HIMSELF. AND THATS WHEN ALL BETS ARE GOING TO BE OFF. AND THEN ALLEN IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS WILL BARRY AND JACK AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHETHER OR NOT LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP MEANS GOING TO PRISON. REMEMBER SOMETHING, THAT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THEY ALL HAVE POWERS THAT MOST PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE STRENGTH OF THAT POWER. AND WHEN THEY COME AT YOU WITH THE FULL FORCE OF GOVERNMENT, YOU REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE THE PLACE BECAUSE, ONE, THEY COULD FINANCIALLY DESTROY YOU AND ALLEN, DESPITE HIS POSITION, IS NOT A WEALTHY, WEALTHY MAN WHERE HE COULD TAKE ON THIS FIGHT, CERTAINLY NEITHER ARE HIS TWO CHILDREN. OF COURSE, THE THREAT OF INCARCERATION IS ENOUGH IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO START TO PROVIDE ANSWERS AND COOPERATE. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 5K1, BUT THAT WASNT WHAT I WANTED TO DOCHLT. MY GOAL WAS TO TELL THE TRUTH. THATS WHAT I DID. AND IM THANKFUL THAT ALL THE TESTIMONY I PROVIDED STARTING WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY, THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT AS WELL AS TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND MANY OTHER AGENCIES HAS MANAGED TO SPAWN THESE 18 INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE NOW SHOWING PROOF. >> AND YOU MENTION ITS NOT JUST WEISSELBERG. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT HIM BECAUSE OF THE LEADS ON THE INVESTIGATION. BUT TO THAT POINT, THE MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS FAIRLY SMALL. IT IS CERTAINLY NOT TRANSPARENT OR ANYTHING LIKE A PUBLIC COMPANY. WALK US THROUGH HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THE ROOM IN ADDITION TO, SAY, TRUMP AND THE CFO FOR THE BIG DECISIONS. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THAT UPPER ECHELON TO BE IN THE KNOW THAT INVESTIGATORS WOULD WANT TO TALK TO? >> WELL, THERE WERE ABOUT 14 EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENTS, AND THAT INCLUDED THE THREE CHILDREN. SO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE 17 AT BEST. AT BEST ITS 17, PLUS DONALD. AND WHEN I SAY EXECUTIVES, IM TALKING ABOUT ALLEN WEISSELBERG AS WELL. THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, YOU HAD GENERAL COUNSEL AND CO-GENERAL COUNSEL. THERE WERE 17 OF US. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ISSUE WAS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHO IS IN THE OFFICE. BEING THE GUY THAT WOULD HAVE TO FIX DONALDS MISTAKES AND PROBLEMS I WAS IN THE OFFICE QUITE OFTEN FOR MANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. AS IT RELATES TO HIS TAXES AND SO ON, THAT WAS ALWAYS VERY PRIVATE. SO THAT WOULD BE LEGITIMATELY DONE BY DONALD TRIM ALONG WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND THE ACCOUNTING COMPANY. NOW, IF IT DEALT WITH SOMETHING THAT DON JR. WAS WORKING ON, IVANKA, ERIC, THEN THEY WOULD BE IN THE OFFICE FOR THAT SPECIFIC. BUT, LOOK, NOBODY SAW HIS TAX RETURNS. I MEAN, I WOULD SEE HIM LAID OUT EACH AND EVERY YEAR ON THE TABLE ON THE 26th FLOOR ACROSS FROM MY OFFICE. BUT I NEVER INSPECTED THEM. I NEVER SAW THEM. NEVER GOT A COPY OF THEM. I WOULD JUST SEE IT WHEN THE DOOR WAS OPEN AND THEY WOULD LOCK THE DOOR SO THAT NOBODY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THEM EITHER. >> YEAH. >> IT WAS ALWAYS JUST DONALD, ALLEN WEISSELBERG, I SAY HIS NAME AGAIN, AS WELL AS THE ACCOUNTING FIRM. >> AND IM RUNNING OVER ON TIME. YOU MENTIONED YOUR COOPERATION. YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO THE DA MANY TIMES. IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT THAT YOU DONT NEED TO SPEAK TO THEM AGAIN? >> OH, NO. NO, NO, NO. I WILL NO DOUBTEDLY BE SPEAKING TO THEM AGAIN. THERE IS SO MUCH INFORMATION AND THERE IS SO MUCH CONFUSION AROUND THE OPERATION THAT, LISTEN, WHEN THEY NEED ME, THEY CALL ON ME AND IM THERE TO PROVIDE THE ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONS. >> IF THIS GOES TO TRIAL, MICHAEL, IF THIS GOES TO TRIAL, WILL YOU TESTIFY AGAINST TRUMP ORG EXECUTIVES OR THE FOUNDER. >> IF THEY ASK ME TO DO SO, ABSOLUTELY. IN YOUR EARLIER SEGMENT, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT OBVIOUSLY ALLEN HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED YET AND THERE IS NO CONVICTION YET. BUT YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT BRINGING IN A GUY LIKE MARK POMERANZ AND YOU KNOW THIS AS A LAWYER YOURSELF, BRINGING IN THE DAS OFFICE NOW, COMBINE THAT WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE, THE CHANCE THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE INDICTMENTS COMING OUT AND THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE CONVICTIONS, IT IS KIND OF LIKE ME WAKING UP TOMORROW SEVEN FEET TALL AND PLAYING POWER FORWARD FOR THE KNICKS. IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. ITS THERE. ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. >> RIGHT. AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. YEAH. WE CALL ON YOU AS SOMEONE WHO WAS IN THE ROOM AND HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO AS A WITNESS YOU SAYING THAT IS VERY INTERESTING. VIEWERS CAN HEAR THAT. IM INTERESTED TO HEAR YOU SAY IT. AS A JOURNALIST, I REMIND PEOPLE WE ARENT THERE, SO WE DONT KNOW AND WE REMIND PEOPLE WHO
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