Project Lightening: After Action Report with Mark

all right gang we are still trying to catch up from doing project lightning but there's still more to talk about because after it's all said and done after Ian's already left we saw the film b-roll and prep footage in Yatta Yatta and part of that meant that we had to go back and resurface the guns and for that we have our resident gunsmith Marc Novak of anvil gunsmithing hi Marc and that would be me hello sir so Marc's agreed to sit down in the studio and give us an after-action report on how the heck these guns did in his opinion as the field mechanic as it were and so we're just gonna take some time break them down and look at each gun one by one and get his assessment as to whether or not he thinks it was a good system for the Great War or even something that you can collect without going insane and pulling all your hair out so let's get into it well right off the bat we have the Hotchkiss partitive now this was the problem child for the entire series however in terms of actual performance it did much better than you think this is the gun that emotionally you get more and more upset at it because it's the con that frustrates you it requires you should be that gun but it just isn't low recoil right easily controlled on target how a mild 303 cartridge in this kitten up mild but for the weight and then you know everybody kind of fuss to this by the way about this bipod or tripod here mark if you want to show the audience what it is that everybody wanted us to do desperately then give you a handy right everybody wanted it mounted up here there are reasons why we did not there there are reasons why we did not and it's because there's no identifiable evidence that it was ever used up there so the problem is you have the mark 1 star tends to get mounted here the earlier cavalry tends to be mounted up here with a totally different bipod system so yes we can move this further forward and we get some more control but the problem is it doesn't add much stability we're still wiggling like crazy mm-hmm and now we've lost our Traverse like not nearly good as a traverse in the problems we have with this gun had nothing to do with this being either further back or further forward like we've tried it both ways and we went with further back because it gave us more control again we had the problem with the OE 15 of the central mount mm-hmm because though 815 naturally wanted to rock but this gun is very low recoil very very low recoil yes cuz it weighs damn much I mean this is a very heavy piece of equipment before we ever actually got into runnin this thing on the range though there were several significant problems with it as delivered it was out of headspace it had been gone after with a dremel tool at some time in the past and the gas system which I've left loose here so that I can stand a chance of taken it apart while we're in here the gas system had to be dynamited up and I mean this thing was scrolled from my thumb all the way to the top it required me to soak it in a tub of kerosene for two weeks before I was able to get it back apart again and then it required me to actually tip the entire weapon up vertically clamp that in my vise and use the gun as the wrench to get it apart just to make it rot now the interesting thing about that is this is not the only Hotchkiss we've handled we've handled two Ringgold 1914 models episode on that very very soon as a matter of fact and they have the same sort of gas plug but much larger huge all of them have been frozen every single one of them because if you own a Hotchkiss here's the thing when you're done shooting it not only do you have to disassemble this thing right away right you're gonna need to scrub the ever-loving crap out of this so I imagine that in the field in the war that part was when you are out of action the minute the gun is no longer run now the good thing is this thing can get cutting up real good the gun will still run it'll still run in here's you just can't adjust the pressure well here's why this is not a typical gas adjusting port this is an expansion chamber up here and the further out this is the more the gasses have time to expand before they push the action rearward you hear that guys with loud motorcycles and low horsepower yes right right absolutely if it doesn't blat it's not big enough this expansion tube the further out this plug goes the slower the gun runs and it's exactly the reverse of what you would think it would be this is not cutting off gas it's giving it more room to go so the further in this thing goes the harder the gun should run and it's unique and they're both like that is so the entire inside of this thing fills up full of burnt powder gases and just turns into an absolute mass of course all of the moisture has been burned out of it and all the oils been burned off of it so it turns red yeah it's fantastic and by the way if you see a Hotchkiss in this condition don't get mad at the owner yeah the the sort of like I mean we're talking about like nylon brushes brass picks like trying to get every bit a crevice out of that thing or is going to bind I had to drive the pin out and I actually pulled the center stud out of this thing because that was the only way I've actually had the bell off the outside of it it was the only way I had to do it to both of them I had if you look on my Instagram you'll see I've got a photograph in there this whole thing disassembled and it's ugly you can't do it in the field now this design dates back to about 1896 oh absolutely as a gas piston right which is incredible and you got to consider the propellants they were used back then we're not as clean as some well they were testing is this gun can only exist after smokeless and they tested it with black powder as a matter of fact we saw that in I believe the Norwegian trials they tried it in 10.1 to get it to work because it just would foul up within our I heard shots right so this is a smokeless only system so they knew that there was a fouling risk I imagine this was a part that they took care of very clearly but everything else about the gun this is very interesting about the gun doesn't really heat up doesn't really foul up doesn't really have any problems nope there was no we're back here there's a head spacing ring right here that someone had gone after the inside of what they would with a dremel tool to be fair they may have been trying to fix a problem that's inherent to the design which again is that it is very easy because of the quick change barrel with a wrench right that you can work this gun at a head space because resetting the barrel counts for a lot that's this very common field complaint is that the gun would start malfunctioning oh really what it was is they hadn't set down the near barrel all right and it's not it's not as firm of a twist it's not an interrupted screw just in its no it's a feel thing and it's supposed to stop up here on these on these detents and you can see that it's been over over rotated almost one entire turn to get it to take all the slop out of it yeah that's it's not a very intuitive the whole gun is unintuitive there's nothing intuitive about how this thing operates you saw the problems they had with it I had a hard time operating it they took a rather what's the word I'm looking for economic interesting system and flipped it upside down and backwards so now you've got an inverted blockings and inverted the locking system and it's just sits oblivion I gotta tell you we're gonna have a lot in this very very soon probably next episode yeah what the Hotchkiss is in 1896 one of the original piston-driven guns as a matter of fact at that time think about it 1895 potato digger had just come out the year before right and it was running a lever gasp it's like it's a lever system instead of an actual gas piston so this is like the first successful gas piston gun when it was the mama 1896 - 1900 right and then what they did is you know by 1909 they managed to take this system and flip the feed system upside down which is already weird enough just to save the space in late but then in doing that they put a cam on the outside to run all this stuff and then they took the locking system which normally you know the bolt had supposed to go in their shoulder right they took that and they're like let's go with rotating but we don't wanna rotate the bolt so we'll create this furniture inside that's like there's a rotating ring inside here that when the bolt comes forward it rotates the ring inside of the receiver housing but on the outside of the bolt yeah which is no well yeah I was amazed it did not foul though I was because very little dirt got back in here because by the time this thing unlocks there's almost nothing coming back in the action which is brilliant it is so that means that that's why this gets their dirty is what should have gone back there goes that part here so beautiful design though yeah heavy and performed better than our expectations emotionally you're just like what is this horrible thing right well you get on the range actually that's pretty good until it gets dark yeah it's true okay you're toast but from an after-action standpoint this came apart a lot easier this time well you know Crozier said that there was no gun out there that could be run in the dark I mean essentially he had quoted I'd have to look up the exact quote but he said you know there's no gun in our inventory that you can run without the use of daylight and it's like that's not good bands don't say that publicly but when they all attack at night this is not a gun I would feel my way around on yeah one mag and you're done one strip and you're done one whatever in your hand yeah strips what do we do for strip prep by the way well there is a strip healer that goes along with this gun that bends all the tabs back over I took the twists out of a couple of them but basically the strips were the strips are actually not a half-bad way to do this I only found two critical problems and one of the things is it may just be that we don't have the proper loader we've showed on the preview video of Mark using the drill on it that is actually setup for I believe eight millimeter mouse a Mauser so I can't actually feed the 303 we just put eight miles in it so you could see the system working in reality we had to hand fit all these everyone so the the problem is there's a number of clips on the strip and we'll put some visuals to help you see it right but the healer fixes the middle row which is 90 percent of your problem but every once in a while one of the outside tabs would get loose and we have a twisted cartridge jam and then the other big one is if any of the leading edges got tabbed over uh-huh the leading edges I'd have to be level they cannot be warped or twisted because by the time you get them lined up in there if you've got any sort of like weight to one side the other action it just it ties up the feet again there are two fingers sitting in here I don't know who I don't want to wear this there are two fingers sitting in here that the strip goes under and the cartridge goes over and if there's any disruption in that leading edge it's just and it's horrible and there's no way to get out of it and God forbid if you drop one of those things I did was bad enough dropping them on the dirty floor yeah in theory we can press this button here push it up and pull the strip back out to clear Jam in practice a partial feed is your nightmare yeah not as nightmarish as a double feed on Lewis but we're not looking at a part in heavy-duty combat yeah okay this is what you arms during Columbus that was the punch ova raid yeah that that gives us a very bad taste in the American mouth but it's not a good thing although we're all performed much better than I thought you know all these things about how terrible they are broken breaking parts and like that we had while may was using it from the hip somebody had snagged the way this engages they were top of a spring they just gotten loose nothing broke it just had slipped off and when she fired it popped loose right and so that's like the worst thing in terms of parts breakage that we had on this gun that in a little piece of leather that held on the cross key managed to get snagged and snapped somewhere along the way but that's just a piece of it so realistically when we talk about these guns being the guns that break all the time some of that might have actually been Colts fault because it's the Colt ones that broke all the time the British one seems to be doing just fine he seems to be doing just great yeah like I was starting to say before from an after-action standpoint clean this it's ready to rock again clean this he'll the feed strips man it's ready to go looks good cuz I gotta take it over the range we got episodes to do hoorah now we did not unpack every gun and pack it in this room again sorry some notable ones are here because I'm gonna refilm them but mostly they're staying in marks care until they're ready to get filmed for a special primer and then they're back to their owners the VAR we already did a primer it's already home so it's gone yeah but do you want to talk about all the mechanical difficulties you had with that gun hmm let's see the air showed up here in it ran which is rare it ran and then it left here running so pretty much it was the only one in here that ran like green corn through a goose I mean it was just it just worked it worked all the time and I don't know what else to tell you other than the fact that you know that's the second 1918 var that I've laid hands on and solecism not that enough that their owners abused them or anything but they just treated him like a good you would treat a rifle they treat him well right think Oh nuts that you know a little Lube a little like not letting the fouling build up on the cat cyst and things like but what nobody's religious about these things every John Browning design weapon ever made it's just correct yeah so we made a big deal about not being able to take it apart I don't know that you need to very often I didn't see the need I got to see it when it showed up and it was fine it was well lubricated it was clean everything was good it ran like a scalded dog and honestly I had about 30 seconds with it and then it disappeared out of my sight so I don't really know if there was much wrong with it but it ran right up the last shot rate of fire stayed the same I didn't see anything wrong if the only misfeeds we had were being thrown the switch by accident right he was so happy that it jammed it not jam it didn't jam so beautiful job on the VAR we had one I think in the outtakes we had one incident where the second round didn't go off for Taylor who owns cns which I should probably also employed yeah there's been like three nights that he stayed up past midnight to let us work in that facility the night work out yeah like 1:00 1:30 in the morning and that is above and beyond the call of Simon tearing their business that's got to open back up again at 8 o'clock in the morning and if you think about it just you can't run the range without running that air system that's money so if you guys are in the Charleston area yeah do check out CNS and tell them that you appreciate it that's that's something that they gifted to us and you all to enjoy so when he ran the gun the second round didn't go off and some people might be concerned about that but that was actually just ammo so we checked it it just bad primer I guess so I do want to mention one thing while we're here and talking about it you ran Steelcase ammo in specified Steelcase ammo and I'm going to tell you what Oh this modern that's a different gun steel case wasn't in the BA are those in one steel through another var that ran brass because it like that big hundred fifty grain oh I brought that up on a sequence I'm sorry we'll get around that in just a moment oh you're giving away your next gun I guess so but but Pierre was there was one major complaint that was across all of our videos in the series can I bring it up yeah go for it that issue var doesn't have a bipod it never came with a bipod it wasn't equipped with the bipod and I know we're at least 8 or 9 minutes into this video so no one is watching the fact that I've said that it didn't have a bipod in World War 1 so we ran it the way it ran in the war we've been getting a lot of that weight a lot of it it's not fair that you have the why did you take the bipod on okay so we're done with that mechanically the obeah are just fine I think over time you start to get a little fouling in the gas system and the best part is it's an adjustable gas system with three position pretty easily adaptable right like that gun if you use it as an automatic rifle and not as a light machine gun it's that probably a lot better and it'll just go and go and go and go yeah beautiful all right so we're on the topic let's skip ahead to the 3006 show show and I know that seems out of sequence because we have the 1915 show shop right and this is the 1918 but here's the curious thing we're talking about guns that ran really well without any problems whatsoever var and 30.6 show already a station which is just if anything should just tell you that we either have a sample size that's too small or history is recorded wrong and by the way we have we have sicked our friend Andrew on the 30.6 show show he's he's torn department records apart and he said to me I was on the phone ok he said Matthias if you didn't physically have the GD gun mmm I would swear it never existed in a figment of people he can't find a scrap of paper on it all right nobody's sure of anything so as much as we hear that it was terrible and that this and that the other might not have run it probably comes down to exactly what we were able to observe in this gun which is what's the part that's critical on this gun to be fixed before you do anything magazines magazines magazines and magazines and I would have to tell you that I think part of why this gun ran so well is because it had its own in-flight missile technician going along with it okay so every time that gun went out we had verified lubrication on it it was not hot it was not dirty but the magazines were full of this lunar regolith looking this dust that they have out west where Ian lives in ah so when I got all the magazines clean got all the dents ironed out of all of them we were able to get 15 round rips out of them pretty consistently now imagine you're in the field though and you're of those flimsy magazines in a pouch yeah and you're having to transport them they're used to the damage on the mags to were point impact dentists where they had been dropped right so once I pounded all the point impact dents up and got the followers to follow through I've made them absolutely bone dry there was not a lick oil in those things to pick any dirt up and doing that they ran I a video where I shot it it's it's not as bad I mean its aerodynamics are what it's ergonomics were for when it was designed but you get two mags right and the rest of the gun is pretty foolproof now the interesting thing is we've seen other countries adopt the show Shaw after world war one in rimless cartridges and in every instance they say they ran terrifically the show shows a system that almost prefers rimless ammo to rim damage it almost does and something else you got to look at to it at 30 odd 6 was thrown almost 60 grains less projectile yeah the 8th show show was this is people bag on the 8th labelled that is not a pansy round that thing was Holland bought however the recoil perceived was much worse than 30 out 6 and then it's just the pressure of the cartridge yeah and you know I can't even figure out why what else would affect I think if you think it'd be close but it hundred-year-old Springs have a lot to do with it honestly I am just absolutely pulling every string I have trying to get a fresh set of Springs wound for that gun and I'd be willing to bet you the rate of fire is 200 rounds a minute faster there's a certain manufacturer we've been talking to so if you suddenly see a sponsor of sorts it's because mark has found a way to get Springs made for some of these guns that need very customer mounts on them and that's extremely custom and they're run observed if they do what I'm asking them to do we're gonna be putting them out a little bit so that is what that is so again though ran perfectly all the problems are in the magazines they aren't very flimsy magazines mm-hmm even with those outside even with those outside reinforcing ribs the problem is is the rib makes the magazine very stiff this way but it does not make it very stiff that way so while the mag doesn't want to bend like this it is very very easy to bend it way up it gets a little Anaconda bend in the times very difficult to hamburger and very easy to hotdog those mags yes ok hamburger hotdog I get that I get that so we also mentioned this gun was running steel cased ammo by Yunes request because the 145 grain wolf was just for running it ran every a great I'm telling it operated cleanly I didn't find any of the cases that came out that had any drinks down there's no lacquer on the outside of these they're pretty much dry and they're a lot thinner than some of the Soviet era steel case animals so they operated completely no burn marks down the sides complete gas seal in the back that came out clean all the chambers look good and the one thing I did know tonight Tignes team is it hurls the empties oh it's awesome it's more dangerous to stem on the right side of that gun and in front of it and we're talking about steel versus brass we didn't mention this in the BA our but I kind of thought of it between the segments right there is a reason why you cannot run steel in a var do you want to cover that I will and and and I had thought they had run it I didn't know because I wasn't at the range I was in hot standby back at the shop when you eject the cartridge it comes out of a var so hard it rolls around and it slaps the side of the receiver on the way out and it would have destroyed the finish on the outside of the gun and all of the brass that came out of the var had a very nice dent in the top of it right up at the neck where it was whacking the side of the gun there was a big brass spot on it I didn't catch that my boss I thought we'd run this deal at any reasonably run 1918 BR is gonna have like a big brass sort of marking on the right side and that's just going to happen which is by the way something that you've talked about which is that a lot of these guns don't necessarily self preserve their own finishes not so there's an element the finish was put on quickly and was basically irrelevant anyway we're talking about high blue in terms of beauty and things like that but a military perspective it's a rust preventative and so marks been on a big campaign that if you have something that's rusting to dust right maybe it's not a sin to make sure that's not going to rust so either bathe in an oil or potentially think about refinishing it refinishing it just stopping the rust from happening that's the conservation thing I keep beating the drum on to stop it from rusting at least yeah so this is a big campaign in his and so a lot of people are on either side of this issue because collectors don't like the idea of they want patina and they want things like that so I would argue that if you have if you have a patina that's just sort of sitting there as inactive of discoloration don't sweat it so much but if you're seeing signs of active rust yeah give it a hundred years in that will be a hole through the side of that gun it will be get them out of the stock at a minimum there's and I guess you don't want to you don't want to mess with the pristine whatever we have we have an 1890 in here that's never been out of stock but if I see signs right of any sort of rust or degradation on it it's going to have to come out in order to be preserved so that's that's the it's it's a delicate game they were at a transition point in the history these guns very first gun we had in here and I know we're off topic from an after-action report but the very first episode we ever film was a long Lee it was that charger loading Lee Enfield and that was an extremely expensive collector grade beautiful gun until we got until we got it out of the stock I'm just saying this we got on a stock tip a rush anchors on that thing the diameter of a quarter is what it is and then eventually some and pull the trigger and it'll crack and then that'll be the end of that would be the end of that gun but god we didn't destroy its collector value did we so take care of stuff yeah then we have this thing the eight millimeter show show this is an actually very controversial piece of kit in my shop there were people that either swear by this thing or swear at it gun being very very careful to hang onto it here the number one issue that we had with this gun was three of these magazines actually split from use we put a lot of work a lot of hard work on this particular gun and thank god its owner encourages that we broke a bipod leg which I've had to brace back on again broke I was I think I was the one that had it I was doing a demo b-roll hip fire just turn I just go pop up and it just goes through the end of it well there with that and it all it was the breathing it just snapped loose it had and and the joints only about 3/8 of an inch long it was it was put on there brace on real quick and from what I saw I'm not the first guy to ever parrot either there was that we had issues with sights this rear pin fits in a d-shaped hole and there is a retention spring missing on the back of it that we discovered that was gone and the D shaped Hall had wallow ground which allowed this pin to come out and rotate in just such a way that the entire action tube was allowed to pop up about an eighth of an inch and what that did was take the trigger mechanism out of the loop and the gun went down so what was the real enemy true fighters can stay in the fight what were we truly fighting was time we didn't have a whole lot of time we only had three four hour segments to work with we lost Ian that was the most rushed three days because we had him for three filming days and then to be honest with you I slept about two and a half hours a night oh yeah the guy was a zombie so the question became can we just tie wrap this and stay up and I'm like is this spring plug compromised no the spring plug never was going to come out of the gun so all it happened was is this entire tube it picked up just a little bit personally if it was me and I was in combat I'd have tied a rag or a shirt around a rear end of it and stayed in the fight and that's what they did so the tie wrap didn't compromise anything that had to do with the safe operation of the gun but it was the difference between it staying in the fight and not and the theta brought it back to the shop that two hour turnaround is half of an available shooting day it was not an option and we stayed up we stayed in a fight and the gun did not get injured from it so other than mags that pin every single stinking screw on this gun I got four turns on it when it came back every time we have ever operated one of these show shells it absolutely shell-shocked it has absolutely come back rattled loose and the last thing we note it is I actually left this set screw undone in here the superficial resemblance of the Fremen that this gun to a rocket nozzle should not be discounted but that is will get a couple of close-up photos of that that thing is new yes I see some copper and the whole inside of this I don't even know if that'll show up I guess I'm in focus back here it looks like the Statue of Liberty is vert agreed all over the place and that's bullet gilding there's a pressure chamber up in here this is a piston and when the bolt comes to the rear this whole piston chamber up in here can foul and hang the gun up and it got us in Georgia the inside of this goddess in Georgia it would get us now except for the fact that I've cleaned it and if this Georgie means when we're hanging out with Ivy right well we were over at Eric's place it got us there but we got through it the last thing I would tell you about this and I'm sure they're gonna cover it the one thing I said - what may before she went out is is if you have any malfunction on this gun grab that bull handle pulled to the rear and don't turn it loose until somebody else helps you open bolt operating systems are scary yeah they kind of invert your general like safety programming you know if you're not used to them now again we'll go back to what you say at the beginning probably the weirdest thing about this gun from being a collector and trying to own one is that it does basically consume its magazines and there is no replacement for them so careful I'm getting right pricey yeah so marks exploring some reinforcement options and things like that but basically the feed system for eight millimeter labelled especially is so violent on the tips of the magazine and these were not designed to be reused up by jillion times you might get one or two loads out of them usually they're they're designed stamp out of 10,000 more that month you know so they buy toy companies that were making them yeah yeah so that's a problem you have later on where there's no longer supply of those parts but otherwise to me the show shot if you if you really want to compare it to a modern gun I consider this to be the kel-tec of World War one it's that word tech where it's reasonably easy to assemble revolutionary in some ways certainly not even bagging on Cal Tech is that right Cal Tech comes out with some pretty neat designs that kind of think outside the box you can make definitely for its time outside the box and the other thing is Caltech design guns that they can assemble like they're fairly trying to make a gun that they can actually help build and so it's the same thing like if she screws everywhere which is like a sin in the eyes of any other firearms manufacturer at this time and for the next 70 years I'm going wait till Caltech where do you start seeing people to stick and screws on the sides of guns so you know we're joking but yeah I mean this is this is one more one Caltech well if you count the screws in this weapon including the ones you can't see there are 23 screws in this gun do you want to mention why US service troops might have had problems because of the screws because two of those things aren't screws okay these two screws right here are not screws they're actually eccentric cams and what those slots do there's a there's there is a set of slots cut in the side of the plate on the inside of this and as you rotate that fastener up and down it slips into any one of three or fly it's actually five predetermined slots and this entire plate can be driven up and down and it can be tilted and what that sets there's a feed block that pops up allows the cartridge to go over it and then as the bulk continues forward this falls out of the way so in the side of this piece here there's actually a track and we showed that track if you go back to I think it was amble 38 we actually showed that track and it rides up and down and once you get this thing set up right they run pretty well but if you put a screw driver on that thing and crank on it that will not hold its adjustment you will get our horrendous failure to feed and the gun is down it's two it's two accesses of rotation right right right just to Ascension nursing both of them right the sort of the statistics I'm trying to get it back to correct just by guessing yeah is it I'll have to pick two points well I've found that it's better to actually just pick it on the amount of pressure that's on the feed block and then it drops out of the way it's very hard to describe how I set it up but I've got a favor and yeah I mean is that actually we didn't have any mag issues in the family of this particular gun only had the separation of the rear and then I think in the high speed some people noticed that it looked like it wanted stovepipe in on a few occasions it did stovepipe from weak extraction that's probably just age well its age and I'm gonna tell you I had to power dial down on those arounds a little bit because after having watching fulbe all these backgrounds come out of this thing it was absolutely baiting the terwilliker 's out of the gun so I thought every call could've been worse now Rico could have been a lot worse if the spring had been strong enough it would decelerate the bolt but I'm talking about this thing had come to the rear and it would sit there almost like on the lowest wanna Lewis I can explain it you got a way to love gas system depressurizes before the spring can start running it back forward again so I had throttled those rounds back a little bit and that might have been some of your extraction issue just because I was trying to not just try not beat the gonna of it and that's what initiated the entire spring evolution I'd be curious to see if there's an ejector where like that's also just something that after a hundred and twenty years yeah three or four now well it it is what it is this is as I described it you know when anvil 38 it's a dyslexic three Packard billy-goat it is what it is pretty big thing made fun of for their Celtx I will point out this gun was assembled with screws and it's still here so I mean bag amount of Cal Tech's they run they run fine yeah alright next good mark what you got there that's the Silver Bullet that is all the Alvin and the Chipmunks music that went into making this part it's a feed interrupter from Madson automatic that is a one-off replacement from practically I want apart for a weird Madsen that is part of a subset of Madsen's that is very rare because our medicine was as far as we can tell from photo evidence the ones that the Austrians were using albeit with some minor minor differences in the stock and things like that but that is what's considered a model 1914 and they used a very specific sort of feed interrupt to control the feed of ammunition and it appears and I'm not 100% but I actually was reading about this very recently it looks like during the Belgian trials when they converted the medicine to 765 and 1912-1913 they're having very like they could not give it to feed seven six five properly now they even read in the notes that what's happening this sound familiar to you mark the gun would not Jam however the last round of the magazine would not fire right sounds very familiar right which is not happens when this part is not there right so there's nothing pushing down on the last round it's just laying in the hopper right and it might work if you tip it this way no they don't like not work if you tip it that way old medicine system instead of this sort of like finger and thingy right the old medicine system was a rolling block well not rolling block but say it's a rolling cylinder that controls the feed and so that apparently wasn't working so they tried this I don't know if it was specifically for the belgian reason but it probably was at least as far as i've read and then that obviously this is very sensitive in some ways so they went immediately back the old system and just improved it enough to actually work with you know rimless and rimmed ammo and so into the 50s we see the old system so really this is limited to one particular subset of Madsen's and it's pretty wild and the only reason we have this part is because our friend alex mckenzie over at springfield armory national historic site go visit say hello to him and thank God for Alex or I went ahead no we put out our flu we forgot our feelers and they were the only museum that seemed to have another Madsen in the configuration of ours and it was often seven millimeter and a pair of white gloves and the guts to take it apart and show me the piece so he said that it was not even nearly the condition that this one was in it was apparently run very hard and put up very wet so he did manage to fish the part out and send us a photo and that's how we were able to develop this there were a lot of clues inside this gun that several machinist said tried to go after because there's enough Prussian blue in this thing to start your own country I'm going to tell you this piece runs in a zigzag groove on the side of the entire rear receiver and it was an obvious add-on somebody milled out a space dropped a plate in and as that entire rear end of that bolts going by this is being lifted in dry now it's only being lifted and dropped I kid you not about that much it's only moving up and down about three hundred three hundred and twenty five thousandths of an inch between and in fact when I first sent this part out for Project Lightning on day one it didn't really work all the time they brought it back and I made a tweak to this tab right here I actually bent the tab up in order to make it stand up a little bit higher and then it ran and it ran reverse engineering at its best like I said it was the Alvin and the Chipmunks show when we were making it but this entire part the only thing it does it's it is what the last round features the last room yeah yeah it makes the last round it just once the last round goes in as the Tomahawks coming forward to shove it in a chamber it denies the rear end the opportunity to get out of that way and it sounds like not a big deal but the problem is without that control you basically end up in this weird 50/50 because you have a round body being struck by a linear through that maybe it'll do that and so if you get lucky it doesn't well if you get lucky it just the gun shuts the last round sitting in the hopper and it's just and it's just there and you could technically reload another mag but it'd be kind of Wiggly if it cuts the other way it half feeds because it still doesn't get driven over it still skitters and it tries to cut the cartridge in half horrible and by the way the medicine is among the worst at clearing jams and that's that's something that we talk very clearly about in the actual you know project lightning it has to be taken apart with your index fingers and you do not have enough power in your index fingers to clear that malformation no with them with that whole big breech block there and never quite coming out of the way right at best you have to disassemble most of the gun to get the breech block up up and then in and under to pull the cartridge out and then you can't lever on it too strongly because you'll snap other things that the lower said that whole gun needs to go back to or a rare area to get down what to get out of that problem which is probably why they had the whole action available as a spare part you would just take out the whole thing thing throwing the other barrel and on it and then somebody can fiddle with it which is a good solution in a macro sense but in the micro sense that's just a problem we had with Bob looking at it from a fully equipped well-lit tool intensive vise provided stability of a shop and it was a hard jam to clear in there yeah so there's no way you're gonna get it up on the front so then they come up with this little gizmo and mr. McKenzie gave me a photograph of it and the photograph that we had is not this part right so then where do you start and this is just this was most of it the rest of the gun was actually in fabulous condition except for the magazines the magazines were in a weak link again ya know so the problem the magazines on that gun is the rear tab and we mean are you sure what those magazines are made of so I'm not sure how we can reinforce it but the rear tab on the magazines takes where like nobody's business because it's essentially I believe brass on steel it look like Bratz magazines they are brass mags they have steel tabs and on two of the three mags attempts have been already replaced yeah and the one that kept falling fell out on me during my up and the one that fell out and you on a range had not been replayed I got so much crap for poking the release with my tummy but it looks like that might not have been what I got in intro I held it up and it fell out because the tab has been worn almost smooth but on the one mag we had that's been beat up so bad it's kind of sausage that tab had been replaced and also the other one that had been and those those worked great with a big tab at a front it's a beautiful system with it with the small tab you're fiddling for it and if you trigger the follower but it just it spews cartridges everywhere apparently they took the advice because the like Ian said the later ones really do have a much more aggressive bio and that fixes a lot of problems with that gun it does so otherwise any impressions on the mats I mean this is a rare gun mark but did it strike you out as being you know completely unusual or no actually it's other than the fact that the breech blocks doing the swing up and down right it comes up for extraction it drops down to feed and then it comes up to lock and it was really weird how it was timed it was hitting the primers off-center on every round but there was it was closed it just it was closed it was in the right place it just didn't right but from a design component there weren't many parts in that gun there were not many parts in it at all and all of them appeared to be relatively where free it was it actually comes apart in a sense achill order um the one thing I would have changed about it was this how they did the extractor was just really wonky but I'm sure you're gonna deal with that little flicked out it yeah we talked about that finger oh that thing's is bizarre yeah I guess I can't imagine what else they would do though I don't think I can and it it it shoots like a dream it actually fits in normally a rifle the vertical magazine it feels like handling a little rifle I love the man I can sit here in kibbutz people's design design decisions from 110 years ago or however long ago that was but mechanically it's actually was well made it's not a very tight gun it's actually a little bit loose a little bit of John Brown a niche there um after action we had a lot of rust on it because it got wet um after action though that was it it wasn't particularly dirty it wasn't because it's a true recoil operated gun it has nothing everything's opened up at the front of it when you talk about rust there's a lot of bearing surfaces in there and bearing ounces are very hard to keep from rusting when they do get wet and I'm talking like rust after a day I had these guns torn apart a day later everything got a little bit moist during filming we had a lot of like ambient air moisture now right it was winter kiri was the brown season it's brown and white I swing by every once a while somebody emails Ben goes hey I'm thinking about coming down the trellis tone what's the I don't want to deal with the humidity what's the lowest humidity and I said well the average in February is that it's lowest at 78% right so if you'd like a cool drink of water right we don't breathe air in Charleston we breathe low pressure steam yeah so everything did sort of get a layer of condensation something did and mostly guns just wipe off and no big deal and then then we boil them later and everything's fine right a few where the moving parts are the Madison really was the most susceptible I think to rust yeah it was it was and it must have been what it was made out of too because all the guns were in the same environment it was the only one that had any rust on it with to be fair also you said the Prussian blue is in there maybe somebody just got in there and tweaked the finish but no all those parts are moving so much there's so much friction that's right so someone was trying to figure out why the gun didn't work and it didn't occur to them that all the parts weren't there and that's exactly why a Prussian blue was on it they're going nuts kind of hide thing there's a metal back inside the gun in order to make it work right I had to read read some metal in some spots I believe it will judicious TIG welding now it occurs to me you did mention the off-center primer if anybody else has the medicine it has off-center primer strikes please just go ahead and pop me an email because I might have a theory this would go back to something that our friend bloke on the range was talking about which is that a lot of early primers had trouble with center strike versus side strike really yeah so this is some early Austrian design it wasn't lack in any mainspring it was clobbering the primers I believe verbals hit off-center yeah I'm trying to remember that but I mean this thing was clobber I mean the mainspring in this thing is enormous and it was creaming him so it didn't matter I was amazed that it wasn't shoving the primer slam up through the flash hole actually uh okay so Madsen covered swing [Music] all right so the MgO 815 which is a gun that just sort of progressively got a little more bored of what we were doing as we were shooting it yeah I want to play the problem with the wait 15s I have found is that they're one of the most common machine guns in the US market so around about the 50s and 60s they got run out like they just they always have the most where and just like anything else we had a beautiful early 15 on us it was in wonderful condition for a new if it still has a ton of wear because it's just been shot so much more than the other stuff eight millimeter was available it was it was just a party gun I don't know what it is about the Oh each and every 15 s but they're always the most use we got two oh eight 15s for this exercise and we picked the best one of the two the best one of the two happened to be the prettiest one yeah it stablemate is in pieces in my shop right now getting reevaluated for it's gonna be taken back to running but it's just that thing is so loose it's kind of like a bowl of wet spaghetti noodles I mean it was just kind of all over the place there's a lot of stuff going we're banging piff inside of a maximum there is a lot of moving parts in there so when you consider the o8 15 its performance and maybe it's jams on this episode I want to assure you from our observations that gun probably has two to three times more rounds through it than any other gun in this series easily easily I mean maybe five times I don't know it's it's got a lot more wear on it and so the thing that I noticed is we ended up dialing up the spring tension if we just cut the spring tension dial up it's not so much to change the rate of fire it mostly just kept it running balanced so right a lot of those aged and slack in the springs a lot of that is where in the headspace a lot of that bobble bubble yeah well you've got to slow all at reciprocating mass down at the back and that spring if you don't run the spring high enough you try to bring you're trying to bring a rate of fire of a gun down you can either change the master you can change the spring we've got a handgun in here that somebody tried to really really really crank up the spring mass on in order to make it handle hotter ammo in this particular case if you slow down too much all of the reciprocating mass just winds up running then than a rear end of the gun and it beats that terwilliker zon or back to that so there is a sweet spot in there that you can find where I don't think the guns physically capable of running much harder than you were running it yeah wrong work was spring tension it started running much better for the beat roll so right at the end we had some like it was doing fine and then right at the end it started getting sluggish and what that was is we're starting to get some filing because the guns a little looser so it's got more fouling in it because it is cooling through the rear seal yeah so there's that oh we get so much trouble for that but the problem is nobody makes as Vesto strings that I went on eight groups and got advice and we we tried out some of the stuff that was recommended and it works for a little while but you know three days of sustained in and out in and out it's gonna yeah and you know what at the end of the day it really doesn't matter those guns are not water-cooled their steam cooled and as long as there is water and physical proximity to the tuba to barrel it doesn't matter how many orifices is leaking out as long as the jackets fold the gun will run and it's one of the Testaments to mr. Maxim's design that it did so it's kind of irrelevant we had a lot of comments about the water leaking out of the front of the O eight when we were over it around 88 88 and it's irrelevant as long as the jackets fall right the only reason for the little tank is so that you don't have this big plume of steam going crew service weapon located here and it did the gun ran liked its oil do you like this ammo oiled yeah well it's not so much to him with the feed block and I noticed that you if you saturate the feed block with lubrication that gonna run so much better and again that may be aware issues well and when we fixed that one feed block there's three things that have to slide up and down relative to each other so there's a lot of Tolerance tack and in the round will sit there and walk side to side to where it won't even go in the chamber anymore and if you run a lot of oil on that it just kind of hydraulically skates back and forth the lock that was in that gun was not the one I had worked on okay it was not it was the one that came with the gun it was the one that the owner said probably works the best in his impression it is what it is yeah every by the way it's not that it was problematic gun it just had a couple more jams than average right again with the Supreme where that's on those guns it's it's a testament to the fact that it ran at all yeah and it's not that they're they're all knackered like that Oh 815 compared to the o8 they ran smaller parts like they actually did scale things down to try to bring the weight down so they're trying to run it at the minimum acceptable size for some of these parts we're here a hundred years later it's still running so yeah it's still running in that argue - you want to talk about a gun it's walked out that oh wait we got back running again I love it when you said we spent some time with it it's fine though it works it's it is it's it's a it's big it's heavy you know you had a you had a thing that you said comparing the o8 lock the 1911 right right there has to be some slop in it or it won't work at all but the the oh wait lock has the very same two mortises on the side and then a t-shaped rail that it runs in just like a 1911 runs exactly the same way and what will happen is the top or the bottom of either the tier two rails will wear so when you've got a cartridge in that feed block running up and down you've got this clamp in the back and the whole thing has the ability to do this so it's doing this what it's mama to is doing this all of the joints in the system we're doing that and there's a lot of stuff going we're banging pip inside that gun and yet it really ran well yeah part of the oiling and the ammo might have been to do with the fact that it was very damp and those belts do not like to be wet oh no ambient moisture it's through the way it was through the roof it's it's there's we have basically we have summer and Easter the two seasons in in Charleston and we were creeping up on Easter this is unrelated to the gun but I think we had all of maybe five hours of good film a bull daylight and it kind of shows in the walking fire I think is where it starts to get kind of darkened having a hard time keeping the cameras going the shadows are really long and the sun's really low on our horizon if we do this again I'm gonna do this the longest day of the year like it just as much sunlight as I can get directly overhead it would make it so much easier to film this sort of thing and then then some clouds just some nice clouds to diffuse we get that cloudy bright right we get that diffusible cloudy bright the other issue is is where we shoot is right where the sea breeze comes in during a summer so it is always raining those of you in Florida no you get 405 in the afternoon in Orlando it is raining because it's Thursday you'll know what I'm talking about in Carlton wait 15 wait 15 minutes and it'll change so the daylight was an issue and that was what we were truly fighting was time yes your biggest enemy all right so I think that covers our own right other than just sort of being remarkably well set up in a manufacturing sense would it be translatable to any cartridge people love changing their Oh 8 so 8 15s to whatever cartridge is available because the maximum system is so easy to rebalance for a different cartridge like you just pull the barrel you change out maybe the lock depending on I don't know who set the phousi where you want it you set the spring where you want it and go yeah I just you can just swap ammo and they did that too in order to produce for you know every cartridge available but now and then the after-effects of that is that it's so easy to swap one to another because they're all that same base model it's pretty wild were they truly doing I mean when that gun first was invented were they making gonzo were they making money and at the end of the day if you want to make money you make something universally Oh what was the quote is that a friend of Maxim said you know because he was working electrics right and then he said you know if you really want to make money give up on this whole electrics things just find a way for Europeans to kill each other faster absolutely and he's just like well heck I'll go make some money yeah you think about making a gun I was I displayed a double-barrel Manton flintlock and my comment about that was this is what happens when two hundred and fifty years of aristocratic patronage chase an art form that's what so that and and to be really honest last thing is I haven't really been deep down inside that gun I didn't have enough time when they got here yeah and I'm now going to take you very long its owner has given me permission and has actually paid me to take a very long deep dark look down inside that thing nice you will be informed now check out mark I have the end result of what was going on with the Louis here we have the Louis's gas system in my hand I want to point out the miracle of the Louis because I was the first one to wander into this I think I have some cell phone footage that I may be able to pop I go dig it out but essentially when I went into this thing what do we got here we've got this is the the firing pin the phousi is on the rack down here and then this is the gas piston up front that screws into the bottom of the barrel right there bleed off right there yes this is where the barrel the barrel bleed is right here okay so the problem we ran into and we were filming b-roll I just one of our Springs broken the Lewis gun marks gonna fix that right there was a big coil clock spring well here man I'm when I'm home I'm gonna be I'm aw strength I'm going to demonstrate what happen here this is what happens yeah that's what happened now I attempted to repair that by facing the frame that is before you go through this this whole thing was just carbon and we'd run this gun I've actually this exact gun I disassembled four years ago right and everything was fine I just had my photographic I got photos of this and so what happened was over the course of our firing and perhaps some firing in the years between I don't think the owners had it out that often this section here had not I have an alternative theory also that goes right along with what you're about to say okay this section here had developed even the slightest crack in it next thing you know the gas pressure is forcing its way out of this guy and it's billy's carbon deposits at the same time so that it roughly equal doubt so you have a gas system it's separating and the whole time we filmed the project the Lewis gun was leaking a significant amount of a gas was leaking out of that Loomis you could see it coming out the cooling jacket yeah so the entire site was happy but weakened as the shooter in that jacket actually is the weird thing is I figured out when I was trying to figure out why I couldn't get the new spring balance I took the end off to look down here make sure everything is fine and I didn't take it apart that far yet but I was just trying to see that it was tight at this nipple uh-huh and then I left the jacket off and I fired a couple rounds the next thing I know I see actual gas blast not from the muzzle but from the gas system which I could not see when that cone was on and so that's what made me take it all apart so what happened is the Lewis gun was actually functioning only because the carbon buildup was holding up enough gas because these parts were no longer connected well in our hour not only that not only that there was an enormous amount of gas erosion up inside here because the piston only sits up about here but what we did that hadn't been done in the 7 years prior was we cleaned it yes and that's what happened because the gun was unclean from when when when when may shot it threading with me that threading was well it was wrost the threading was jumped up and it was glued together and we committed the unforgivable sin of taking it apart so the female threads in here have actually rotted out this way and iron oxide occupies more space than iron so it actually jumped the threads up a little bit and it was fine until we committed the unforgivable sin of actually maintaining it right so then on that problem show don't clean your gun no don't do that so then the gas key has two different size holes on it and you can actually watch this gas key fall out when it was being shot the last time so my answer was was to take the end of this tube and face it back that way one and a half we first we tried a half a revolution it wasn't enough then we went around an entire revolution more and the reason it has to try to grab some unmolested thread right to try to grab someone molested threads and it does draw up tight not tight enough it just slips out and when I got it back the last time after we'd fired a couple of rounds it was cracked like that I've tested this when we tighten it back down with that basically it's being held on by about two threads if if it's that many well it was at first and what happens we go to retest fire to see if I don't hold no a caste system blew right out and now and the other problem was is that as we face this this way this entire gas tube moves this way so it was coming precipitously close to falling out of the indexing ring in the back the answer is they have provided us with an answer this piece is just silver soldered on so I'm gonna heat that up drop this piece off make another piece where I've taken all of the tolerances out of it we're gonna undercut the threads then this gas block will all of a sudden be the right size it'll all go back together again and it'll run for another hundred years you're gonna molest an original piece of equipment mark it doesn't work you know what that is that's a breaker bar right now that is about the functionality of something you put over a wrench I don't know that it would actually I think you get some better and I'd probably the whole point is is that it's out of service it's gone it's rotted out there's an entire ring burned in there you can see from flame erosion and the other problem was if we went back any further now the gas piston is sitting too far forward there's a lot of I got to make new parts for it because the 24-hour Lewes parts store is out of gas tubes you don't get these a wall no you know we get emails about that a lot I have this gun that's missing this particular part now the weird thing is here's welcome to the weird weird world of old guns yes if you were to send me an email and say I'm missing this machine gun part I still won't be able to find it for you because I I've told this to a thousand people if not two thousand I'm not a part supplier and I'm going to google it the same as you I literally go to the same search engine you do on rare occasion I might be able to plug a personal contact but that's a thing that you don't do unless you need it you know what I mean like Brian I would need to do that production because most the time they're holding on to what they're holding on to because they need it right that's more of a very personal favor the insinuation is though that you're gonna perform all of that labor and invest all that time on someone else's behalf it's a ridiculous question yeah the question I prefer is as I found all these parts can you make all of this work right aha so like when we were those firing pins or machined on a lathe an my shop because they were designed to be replaced so rather than burning up existing new old stock yeah just making it I made a couple more firing pins I'll make a new end to this tube and actually what I'm done with it you all good no I did it I'm sorry this is the paradox this is the weird thing about it if it's a machine gun the parts are probably out there because they made extra parts for machine guns and then machine guns got caught up so parts ended up in the market right but I get a lot of people it's like hey I have this very particular rifle from 1912 right okay where can I get this part that every bubble cut off you know like the four stock then you know that's it like you know if that part exists it exists with another rifle right it didn't nobody nobody said I'm gonna take the action out of this throw away the action and keep the stock that didn't happen two rifles with machine guns that kind of did though because they would take the action and cut it off other than ear that parts the owner of this particular Louis wants a Louis that runs runs well and runs a lot and I've been given car blush by the man to make his Louis work which is wire repaired his operas made him new firing pins he's invested a lot in spare parts he wants to run his gun right so I unfortunately we don't have another gas tube and in that spare parts pile right and I'm however have a replacement for the press ring that goes on this guy so it's in there so don't forget that while you're working I jump these threads up and I kind of pop those down a little bit and I got this connection to be very tight and I want to save the parts I want to save the history but at the end of the day consumable parts when they built this gun it was like the over at Patriots point there's an aircraft carrier that sits over there and there's a destroyer and there's a submarine over there and 77 years ago when that ship was made no one in their right mind thought they were still going to be sitting in salt water 77 years he's gonna question if this was the only 1915 Lewis gun in existence would he be shooting it would you be playing with these threads would you be doing this the only one in existence it's dropped below a threshold where it becomes an artifact and you can't shoot it anymore right and that's an issue we're gonna run into some people have these really really pristine guns they can't shoot him anymore because they're old they're the only known examples there are a lot of Lewis's running around there are a lot of Louis's running around if this was the only 1915 Lewis and sir Lawrence of Arabia had carved his initials in the stock this would not be a conversation we'd be him yeah we wouldn't be testing it right and we sure said we run it for three days out in the middle of nowhere so all things being relative we're gonna do the maintenance and we're gonna keep this thing run and said and other people can enjoy it and see it while we had it at the indoor range that one day there were two gentlemen whose uncle's had carried the great uncles had carried these guns oh they're visiting from UK well yeah and I and they got to shoot it and that was a magic card to America and you run into mark and a Lewis gun at the range yeah that was they were crewmen on a container ship and they were just in there blowing off some steam and they're looking at this Lewis like they were that like they had seen you know an apparition and I'm like no it's a Lewis and of course you're gonna fire an entire drum out of it you know yeah there's only one range we really hang out with if you ever want to check and see if you might bump into one of us yeah where's that it's CMS rivers having you by the big burling's restaurant-supply sign you can't you don't forget restaurant supplies you can get restaurant supplies no that's all right so we covered the Lewis I think it's time to wrap this one out pretty low overall mark what's it weigh eat if you're the kind of man who can afford this sort of collection yes what percentage of the value the gun is gonna go into maintenance though over half so you buy $20,000 $30,000 machine gun you're gonna spend about 10 grand keeping it running over the life of the gun you're gonna spend a lot of money because there are no more the pristine examples that don't need that level of maintenance aren't there anymore and the deferred maintenance bill has been piling up over the years I've noticed that a lot of machine gun owners now are much more conscientious with it than there were 10 years 20 years ago but I promise they're buying every time we encounter a machine gun right there is a certain amount you'll see the current owners have done their best to clean and preserve whatever but there's always some stuff that just never really got around to and there's a lot of moving parts in their defense to knowing what to change you don't want to go in there not sure what you're doing because you can make an even bigger mess there's no terribly interrelated and if you don't understand the interrelationships and you don't understand what the designers were intending when they did it and you can go back in there and retro actively figure that out the problem is is that the number of guys that can do that is dwindling rapidly because the the tribal knowledge of how machines like this work is getting that's why I've got eight apprentices I'm trying like crazy but they don't have the 40 years of experience I've had working on machines that weren't guns so if you buy one of these things you better go find somebody that knows how to work on them before you buy - god I hate to say that okay you know you're talking about how many apprentices you talk about your expertise could point something out which is that in all of your videos there's people going you know I'm in this field and you could do that better and I'm in this field and you could do that better and there's people that get downright mean about it right how stupid do these guns make you feel well like I said in our Q&A session I'm the dumbest guy you've ever met and if you're not growing up you're not learning anything and this is a continuous learning curve to try to get inside the head of Colonel Shaw so for instance yeah how do you get inside this man's head you spend a lot of time but I'm gonna tell you what these guns have never ceased to make me look like a fool the difference is that I'm just admitting it up front there's a lot of guys that jump hobbies jump professions jump whatever because I get bored and they end up in firearms and they never get bored again because there's just so many ways of doing something there's so many ways to do it but the other issue is is that if you do it your way in your trade that's great but you're not gonna make any money at it doing it as a gunsmith well yeah there's also no one to that because the other thing is it's a business for you specifically us well first of all when did we ever said to your perfect man when did we ever even called you an expert no you're you're maintenance you know what I mean and the problem is everybody wants to glorify you and myself even all I do is I read these authors actually I'd like to do a big project I wanna see if I can't push some of these authors because they throw razors we're interpreters we are interpreting in a real in the real world the results of research that has been done for people that are way better than it can't really we'll get our lick we find something that's ours that we discover but realistically I know you guys are watching and you're not necessarily involved in this every day but think of the amount of doubt you have at any number of tasks and it comes in to everything that we do we don't always know how to handle every situation that comes up and we have to learn as we go the adaptation is our strength and so before you kind of get mad about well I know this or I know that well maybe take the anger out of it and just say hey I know this I know that because if you come at it from a neutral standpoint if you just say hey man I got some experience with this in Baba blah blah blah you're not gonna get rejected nobody's about to say that their egos in this no I was like I said at the very end of it I got an MP 18 it runs and that's all I can say about that all right well thanks mark for being here check out in Zoe on smithing thanks for having me by I really appreciate it oh man are you kidding we've been doing this together for years now yes we have so if you enjoy the content check out Mark's patreon over at anvil gunsmithing that supports him so that he can take time out of his schedule to do things like this because he could be getting paid to work right now and he's not he's sitting here talking to you all right have a good one guys [Music]

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Length: 67min 40sec (4060 seconds)

Published: Mon Mar 11 2019