World War One Q&A with Othais from C&Rsenal

hey guys thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten weapons comm we are doing a Q&A today with boethius I saw that I saw that tell me Tom you're you're wearing a pseudo for down weapons sure don't you know there's other people out there with well seventies mustaches and no wait did you um did you select that hair style it's like here oh no I have a cool t-shirt pokey t-shirt [Laughter] alright now you have no excuse by the way both of these were one offs made by awesome forgotten weapons viewers OH so individually yes wait why the awesome forgotten weapons viewers send you because he heard I was gonna be doing a collaboration with you and he's like this would be the funniest coolest thing I'll send you one I mean he did thank you Alex by the way it is awesome you can keep that oh cool you can keep that this is horribly awkward okay we have a so yes this is a Q&A video okay I didn't want to spoil the surprise that we were doing a collaborative thing so I asked my awesome patrons on patreon for questions about world war one because that of course has been your focal point for the last like four years right and the next one we have managed to plan out all of 2019 in terms of loans or pieces that we believe we can have operational by the end of the year so I ain't danced like that column blame behind you you know we've we know work on the range and all those guys and they have a solution for that but we're still trying to find it cosmetically correct one that really we're being picky okay but there's stuff like that that could be done but it could be done a little bit better so it's getting kick down the road and then yes I'm aware that the US had a handgun of some sort we'll get to it later it's not worth my time that we went into the world without a handgun we just borrowed roofies there's some fantastic revolvers that were talking about very soon so it occurs to me that there are probably at least a couple of you guys who don't know who this dude is matthias runs co runs CM arsenal which is a really cool gun channel out there that does fantastically in-depth episodes on specific firearms and you got kind of tied in early on do with the great war yes doing like the great war which you also ought to watch if you haven't already they've kind of finished their thing but all the videos are out there of course they were based in germany and they didn't really have a way to do guns they weren't gun people they didn't have access to them their parent company was basically scared of guns and so you got connected in as like the gun side of the great sort of it actually was something that we pushed for so they contacted us about licensing image use or at least for permissions and so because I was doing articles at the time but what they didn't know is that I was gearing up for video although we were gonna have more of a world war ii emphasis but then just short do whatever we wanted we're doing in depth done history in general and so when they say well we're doing this mobile one series i want you know i'm pretty familiar with four one arms well enough to sort of name the major powers and what they had and a few obscure things like serbian guns and romanian guys i didn't know a bit of that so i was like yeah i can't be that or it's not gonna be as hard as world war ii how hard could it be yes all the moments of some of the last imperial powers so I stupidly said you know I'll just track along with you guys I'll start doing a World War 1 series specifically and then a combination of OCD and determine is stuck in because we kind of made a game of seeing how many World War 1 guts we can really cover because when you get to the point that you start getting the leads sometimes you find surprisingly interesting history they're good absolutely I never heard of that tell really fantastically weird stories and Matthias isn't gonna say this about himself but I'll say it when I do a video I generally kind of covered the surface level of the history and and where the gun came from and where it was cien arsenal goes far more in depth and they also shoot every single gun that they have I think there's there and there are a few things that you might not be able to shoot right but we're talking really really esoteric weird stuff yeah we have a plan for if we get to the end and we just really want to talk about guns we haven't been able borrow but we've we've tried very hard and succeeded in many ways to power some stuff that I did not think was possible so it that's been a big team effort though so at some point we need to get into the Q&A here so I cut this short by saying if you have not watched you see an arsenal you absolutely should go watch see an arsenal if you are a history nerd gun nerd mechanics enthusiasts you will find a lot of very interesting stories in the history of World War one firearms so there is naturally a link in the description below for the CN Arsenal channel on YouTube he does also have a patreon account and if you're looking for someone cool to support that's a good one I do you should too now I have a bunch of questions here yeah that is rather thick yes hopefully we'll get to all of these but we'll see we're gonna start with the ones that were actually asked by more than one person and a lot of these raps by a bunch of people so I figured we'll touch on them first before we talk about the real collaboration that we did here which is way bigger than just a Q&A okay say this is releasing first Chris so but time you're seeing this if you're new if it's just come out there's been a lot of push for us to do a collaboration yes this is not the collaboration well you want to make sure that we're very clear we did not take the time to get together and leave you hanging just we're down here did a Q&A went home yeah right no we put a lot of Orcas we are today we are off of 12 hours at the range is something like nine people hours so we're gonna get the interesting answers yeah so our first question why did the Madsen light machine gun not see production or more service during World War one so I'm gonna try to keep these simple by the way there's no K there's nuance to be found and that's generally our bread and butter but the biggest reason is the things didn't want to sell that okay didn't want to sell them to mostly the interest was in the central part for the kind of stay neutral and there's actually just digging into this I don't have a lot of references to back it up but there's claims that there was even a shipment that was supposed to go to then still vaguely neutral Bulgaria that then was seized by Germany / austria-hungary and should have disseminated to get even more Madison so they already knew they liked the system and they would have probably happily bought quite a few they just weren't going to be getting any because why would we sell machine guns to people who are engaged in a war this is a very odd notion and I actually need to dig in deeper before but we got episodes gonna come up but I'm not really getting into it but as far as I understand it that's where it was the people will say well obviously I mean that's such a stupid decision there's a incredible amount of money to be made selling guns to one side or both sides look at the United States for example made a boatload of money in World War one doing that on the other hand for a small country like Denmark that is right in the middle of the fray there I think there's a very powerful argument to be made that no amount of money you could make for a private company by the way selling machine guns to one side would be worth it if it got your now neutral country embroiled in the war and in deep bad stuff I mean we've seen we've seen countries that were invaded because the other side might invade them that's another possible problem so next question and from a bunch of people who have clearly not watch your video on the Pettersen device how amazing would the Pettersen device have been in combat like we all know it's there it is a conversion of the 1903 Springfield to a semi-auto forty round capacity pistol caliber carbine and man you could jump out of the trench and just pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop on you know 200 rounds per soldier and it is such a shame that the war ended before the Spring Offensive of 1919 could actually bring that into surplus right yeah I mean all we were gonna who doesn't want in the middle of a battlefield a 10 pound 32 a TCP semi-automatic rifle that vaguely functions like well now wait a minute you're not making it sound very slightly better than 32 ATP but we're worried that we're not even getting 9-millimeter out of this way no it's the it's a novel concept I granted that I don't know that the sort of changing of bolts is ever going to be a super reliable or type thing for an individual soldier that's that's not very good and then the gun itself we've played with one that we did somebody to repair on and got running pretty well but the I've been into the geometries of that gun they're not good and I felt a lot better when our friend Andrew who does a lot of us archival work came to us and he said we have all these records from 1919 Thor 1925 ish where they're retesting these things that have come back from not being used and they're just garbage like this is the failure rate is astronomical the parts breakage is astronomical the way that things are put together they is every possibility of a jam there's every possibility of a breakage it's trying to pack a pistol into this what you're you're building a pistol that fits inside of the breech of another gun right is what you're doing and imagine trying to get a handgun that small that would work that reliably it's not gonna go over very well the exact phrasing you used when we were talking about it earlier was they built a pistol caliber carbine inside the size profile of a Springfield bolt yeah which when you think about it that way is a phenomenal mechanical achievement always it doesn't quite work it's still a pretty phenomenal achievement even not quite working Patterson Zambo if you're sort of like can I get the parts to move can I get them to stack and then reliably the reliability is like way over here like he actually it works in theory so therefore it must apply now in terms of whether would be cool or not I actually have a going theory that if we had made it into 1919 we may have actually seen this sort of u.s. exceptionalism and small-arms technology that we talk about all the time we might have seen that fade we have a mutual friend they're archivists that man who is even thinking of working on a boat and I'm pushing it for him to do this because almost every US small arm for World War one actually had a four of some sort not not simple ones either and by the way we see this with other nations so it's not unique to the u.s. it's just that we'd sort of actually do send the best and the best in the best don't always always believe every secret weapon or everyone's gonna be perfect there is something to be said for having four years of actual combat experience to hone your your ability of to produce what actually works in the field right even like the 1917 s had huge serious problems when they first came in oh yes Oh a munition problems in Vegas adapt again I don't give too much away of some things that I've heard that I would like somebody to publish please so what's his company go and like hire him to dig up interesting things out of the US archives yeah I think we'll just put a link below cuz it's archival research group which is suitably generic so I think we do a call to Google yeah alright we'll have a link to that in the description down he's helped me out with some US documents on the French RSC's if I could get him to be in front of a camera you know what it means like he does a great job all right next question okay so now that you've Boop Udall over the Patterson device what about everyone's next faith in u.s. World War one awesome weapon the trench shotgun okay so specifically I had a number of people who asked basically how awesome is that and then I did have one specific one of did the Germans really threatened to execute anyone who was caught with one of those things okay so this is a lot this is a whole episode that we haven't done and we started one so actually if you reach over there right right it's a trench shotgun let's turn shotgun with the lydian I reach over here that's a reproduction handguards mother that is a real shotgun that was never trimmed down like most of them were from Remington and then I've got the Winchester written here although some buddy Bob the hammered cleaned up the stock a bit too much so this has got to get fixed but this will be in another episode of ours um we have the 97 and 10 these are the only two Trent shotguns that's that's one thing that people don't understand right off the bat the mall 12 was purchased in small numbers for training and probably guard duty but in terms of bayonet mounting guns these are really just considered shot with bayonet mounts they don't think of them as trench guns and I'm going through a lot of documentation we keep mentioning this guy because he's so handy but anything us is going to come through him and you guys are asking us questions that's why but we're going through a lot of documentation right now to unpack what was once a very oral history and is now one that we're exploring through memo and in many ways the internal Ordinance memos are pointing an entire different direction than what's been recorded and then every once in a while it kind of stinks back in but the short answer is the Germans did absolutely go after these guns in terms of trying to drive them into being a political issue but you got understand in Germany had been facing all sorts of political accusations so they had to saw back bayonets that was an early one yep and the idea was that having a saw back on the bayonet which really was meant for you to be able to give some engineers some usage to give them a saw it really legitimately was yeah it wasn't just the Germans that a lot of people oh yes know his cone but then the ideas it became a butcher's bayonet right and then we had poison gas obviously these things people are not into and the wreath of Belgium that people are those nerves yeah on them be camera but then you see the other way they they accused the British of where the magazine cutoff was on the short magazine lee-enfield is a there's a hollow from the way they roll of steel that's right and the accusation was I've actually found German footage of the time showing how the British obviously would take their bullets and put them in there and snap them off in order to make dum-dums and this was obviously condoned by the government because they provided the means to make it them so it's all fluff you know what I mean in terms of executions I don't know that one's ever been recorded we've been looking to see if we can prove one there's probably just a big huff and puff to make it look like they're not the only ones doing weird stuff in the battlefield and it's not like a lot of these actually made it into combat no we have to pack out a lot of information before I can make claims but it looks like the usage numbers are far far far far I mean astronomically fewer than anybody has ever thought and I'm giving a lot away but the general consistency of some stuff for these yeah no no no the general consensus on these things is that they were garbage and that it all came down to paper ammunition and then later they had brass ammunition that was unreliable for separate reasons but if you can imagine an unwashed paper cartridge a trench that sounds great yeah even just the humidity of the battlefield what smell up so you get your one round off and that was it they were they were pretty much lowest because of just the ammunition problems thanks sense right ok next question when and I got this one from a lot of people as well and it kind of surprised me this was not a question I predicted people would ask when countries reissued black powder arms did they make new black powder ammo or do they work out smokeless substitute loads the answer is it depends we definitely can all right away because the Portuguese for magic was a thought that the dollar smokeless they immediately go over to smokeless cartridge there were light and smokeless loads for probably the Austrian guns as far as I can tell and then I'm trying I'm struggling because I remember very distinctly I just read that they had done a rework but there are countries where it's definitely noted that they never got around to it that they just couldn't figure out what would work well this one that stands out is I know definitively that they did not for the Mauser 71 rifles so that's right side locking only they were just like we're just sticking with the black powder no we're only using it for emergency use anyway so generally I would think it was more often that they would actually not even produce all that much ammunition and just pull from long-standing reserves of black powder because remember this is a period where a lot of guns got updated in the 1870s era and then we're immediately obsolete within a decade right and they'd stock popped tons of ammunition because there's this European arms race and some Latin baloney ilysm and so they had all this stuff but there never was I mean you can't really think of a lot of 1870s large large large I mean there's a few but not to the scale of what what you've got assuming all that ammo so there's a lot of reserve in black powder especially for rifles that were used on the front line they were used for rail guards to have two rounds to chase off anybody that might come around and travel you know throw a bomb onto a rail line right you've got guns like a 71 84 guns like the Gras we're never actually used in a major war right that ammo never won any I mean famous guns but ya know not really feel it yeah alright now we're gonna get into questions from specific individuals Antigonus says well one should the use of rifle grenades with which most militaries used during the war but always with adaptors why was it not until decades later after world war ii in fact the integral rifle grenade launchers were incorporated into rifle designs well to my knowledge of military history you really don't see integrated rifle grades and I mean there's always an exception but generally it's when you have an emphasis on infantry versus mechanization especially light armor and then even attempts it take em heavy armor and so what war ii and everybody thinks of you know Davo Zuka you know everybody thinks of Pat retractor whatever yeah this is a big tube over your shoulder or however you hold it and it's the it's the lone infantry against the big old tank right and so you have this development of shaped-charge and all these other things and what especially would like to think you would know this from the French side they start going oh wait a second oh we can just integrate you know a grenade launcher a very tight setting shaped-charge and we can have you know small infantry teams that are capable of it least at least damaging and very much hurting you know lines of armor this is a very inexpensive way to dissuade armored attack yeah and it gives frontline infantry of weapon immediately at their disposal you know I have to wait for the guys with the cannon or guys with the bazooka to to get to wherever your tank is and to my understanding the integrated grenade launcher generally gives you more control like you have a much more standardized like you have a standardized cartridge or load you have the adjustments there when you're dealing with World War 1 you're really just harassing with grenades I mean it's not that they weren't designed to kill but it was this sort of this general let's keep hammering this is softening up this area and harassing this area so this emphasis on like precision whatever is is by the end of the war that they were getting into combined arms small unit tactics where you would have a couple guys with rifle grenades but there wasn't there weren't anti-armor grenades and because this developed during World War one I think part of the issue was let's take the hand grenade and adapt it to rifle launching which is not really going to give you the same thing as a grenade design for integrated launcher yeah it's interesting because the World War one rifle grenade is how can we throw a grenade much farther that's really that's the whole concept I want to throw a grenade permit the post-world War two rifle grenade again is I don't really like carry a bazooka well yeah it's a different background on why they were using them yeah and so the grenades take a different form because of their different intended function Stephen or Stefan says Howard territorial army is supplied with weapons were they part of the standard supply chains or did they have to supply their own weapons does this leave any room for variation or specialized gear for these forces mainly thinking of British colonial forces but French or others are also applicable so this one is going to be it varies it depends on if you have like anything in Germany they had a really hard time supplying any of their imperial troops so when we think of light olive or back we think of him capturing everything in sight as a matter of fact he ransacked the Portuguese for weapons and then interestingly British supplies trying to get them to the front you actually see you know you knew South at one you yourself but South Africa is pulling Leggero rifles buying them from Portugal because they're there and ham was available in theatres because it's that or ship it out and waste all that movement of material that we need to put somewhere else so a lot of colonial stuff from World War one is ad hoc it's what do we have on hand and what can we make do with it's some ways you know you get out into the east and stuff like that you have a chance to have powder factories at least not necessarily Africa and so that can do a lot to sort of sustain especially older types of ammunition because it's a lot easier manufacture that older stuff than this very sort of volatile and picky smokeless stuff so it's a mix it depends British in India they had a lot of support natively and they just stuck with older patterns and updated when they could that's that's so much more built up calling though I think Africa is really what we're thinking of in this we're that's job boob grab everything we can grab the Germans were mostly they started with mostly Mauser 70 ones the Belgians in that region were shipping in raw single-shot rifles that they were given by the French they're shipping them in because it still be what they had which I think we're still like Albini Breitling's and the French are a little bit unique in this question in that they were pretty much the only nation to have colonial armies fighting in the Western Front and what they typically did was one of two things the guys who were fighting got frontline standard-issue first class rifles African or Southeast Asian French colonial units that that were brought into the Western Front we're using birthdays or Lavelle's a lot of those units though were also used as labor battalions and they really weren't they literally weren't armed they were there to build and maintain roads things that people underestimate it's not like it part of it is we don't trust these people with real frontline combat duties but part of it also is this has to be done and someone's gonna do it and so given our proclivities via race we're gonna have these people do it you know by the way beyond race you know not primary language yeah do you want to command troops that have you know you're unsure the background you're unsure what they even understand you're understood the context that when you say I want this does that say something however dig that ditch you can sit there and watch them dig the ditch correctly or incorrectly and it's far less consequential and I should also point out colonial troops in some cases were absolutely ferocious and an exceptional troops oh yeah and the ones who were tended to suffer the highest casualties because they were thrown into the front everywhere they needed shock troops so let's see next up is from William this is one that I suspect you get a lot I always see the same pictures of cut down pistols used by tunnellers where rifles cut down into pistols actually something that was somewhat common or did I just get some weird one-time deal so this appears in a couple of movies is where this starts to come from and terms of people understanding it but they understand two separate concepts here one is the oppress which is sort of in battlefield won the game and people really identify like people love o price pistols that's much more of a partisan yes Soviets like you're not allowed to have a gun well nuts to you I'm a soft the first thing I appliance together but the only reason you can have a no pres is because the Imperial Russian government and therefore armies fall apart and rifles end up scattered everywhere and they're not gathered up properly and so now you have rifles laying around and then later in the world war two era you've got people cutting them down to obscure them and use them because they by sitting around and I think it's worth pointing out that and if you were able to bring back and interview every single person who ever actually made one of those in querida and said I will trade you that for any pistol every single one of them would immediately take any pistol you offer them right that's why they did it there's nothing inherently good about a bolt-action rifle cut down to be this long it's a homemade Liberator is what it's exactly yeah so discounting the oppressed we do have shortened rifles which is actually come up before I knew of again we're back to the number two I know of two indications of these guns and that's all I know of I know tons of claims I found it's zero photos okay I have found zero paperwork essentially but one is keratins books who does a lot of Liat field work has noted an account from a field armored who was asked to take an already damaged lee-enfield rifle and convert it for use in the tunnels so actually this is a good point of evidence and we're actually hoping to do a video on this sort of thing and he did know he noted we cut the barrel to this length we refit in the front sight and then they removed the rear sight and they notched the clip bridge so that they would have a v-notch rear sight so it had a stock it had a front and rear sight that was not an Oprah eyes it was a shortened and we know this one doesn't say I need six more he just mentioned doing one and then up at the Springfield Armory National Historic Site they have a u.s. 1917 that was found in German possession that had been shortened up to actually about an inch under the lead of women now and then our friend Jay has made a reproduction of that just over the legal limit but with the sites in the same project I have actually managed to shoot one of those the problem is there's no provenance other than we found it in 1919 sitting in a German arsal so do the Germans capture it and then one of their tunnel lawyers decided to turn it into something was it just don't on a whim because it was captured in any equipment so nuts to them and maybe the barrel was bad or was it done by US dollar and then II's right it could be anything but we do period-wise it probably happened on the battlefield and then we know of at least one named example so yeah they existed but lots of things exist I mean I know of at least one photo of a Belgian you know Road guard with a double-barrel shotgun that's double bill shotguns were issued and it's probably one of four in all the Belgian that somebody bothered to put on their shoulder versus being able to get a hold of a rifle you know it's like there's that picture of the Marine in I think Fallujah going up a staircase with a ppsh-41 and in a hundred years someone will find that picture again and go oh my god yeah everything for so like it'll be there were short of arms so they were issuing captured stuff and their m16s were jamming so they were issuing captured stuff and who knows what other theories will come up the winning reality it's one dude who went hey this is cool I'll try this you really want like two or three confirmed points of data for this stuff and people don't like that they like to hear half of a rumor of an oral history and then they'd like to run away with it cuz it sounds cool don't you mean that sounds cool then what yours is Don't Tell we're gonna come short rifle sound cool yeah short rifles to mean I don't want to know prints but um we're gonna talk about though because we did have a documented case and we do have someone actually donated to us a very very poor condition Lee Anne Tolley is gone and so we're going to actually try to replicate what we believe this would have been and then we have Jays replication so yeah Gregory says if the war had gone on longer especially into 1919 with all the new weaponry what that was plans such as the pettersen device the VAR the Browning 1919 the RFC 1918 carbine the MP 18 the Villarosa and several others I've no doubt missed had anything strategy for the battle would have changed if at all would you think there would have been more breakthroughs of trenches I'm going to take the easiest Road on this is to say strategy would not change because by then we're in combined arms and that's why these things are developed it the reason they're finally appearing is because it's finally been knocked into the head enough that they need a different type of weapon system because there really isn't so much innovation or over one as you would think in terms of small arms except for the emergence of simpler manufacturing especially some machine guns and then I mean it's really yeah we're still using a lot of very strongly milled you know you're not even seeing it for mental guts but you're even seeing people go you know this gun did have a barrel sight for for very little effort we can put a rear aperture not even a lot of that's going on it's just mass production and then the only reason to start producing anything different was because you were hoping to help exploit your new combined art strategy and just sort of press and move and I know a lot of people I probably make at this point to a lot of people say these small arms really matter yes in the in the sense that all the artillery all the gas all the planning the the recom of the planes the use of tanks all this other stuff remember it's all there to support the movement of infantry who are the only ones that can actually take and hold and move the battlefield and so you can say does an incremental change its molars really mean anything it's like in terms of a few personal lives it means a lot because a slightly more usable gun means there's a slightly higher chance that person is going to succeed at live but also yeah you're ultimately your infantry is what makes the battlefield that's up yeah I would add in that aside from the effectiveness in a tactical level there were elements of trench warfare that we're changing very substantially and you have things like the German transformation from let's make this fix like three lines of trenches and they can't possibly punch through it and we've got a ton of wire and guys at the front and if they break through the first line then we've got more machine guns at the second line and as by the latter stages of the war they realized that that was a foolish way to try to defend and so instead they developed this more flexible approach where we let the the attacking force in we let them pass the first lines and then we basically surround chop them into pockets and destroy them with machine guns in this dead zone and that that the changes in those overall strategies can have much more effect than the individual small arms being used so if you had a group of Americans with BA ours and 1919 s running attacking a Hindenburg wide set of fortifications but if they're not if they don't understand what they're attacking they're better small arms aren't going to help them they're still going to fall victim to the the intention of that that you know envelopment defense so it could have had small changes but not necessarily know most of the wonder weapons World War one like we said with the Patterson device we're not going to go as far as like I think probably the one weapon I say that did not get to make its mark but really what a change is yeah every since the VAR got out there yeah it'd be slightly better in some ways and slightly worse in other ways in the show shell yes it's not but the German MP 18 that side is a gun that did not make it did not have time to make the impact it should and after I'm ambled one that we've actually been rebuilding one and we're going to be doing an episode so cool we have one that's been probably the show actually and we're trying to do some investigation because not a lot of people are treating these there's no doubt for a system there's no nothing but when we really got into it we found there's not really as much milling on that goes you think it was actually very advanced in terms of rap manufacture so that part of it is really more important than the infantry uses could they crank out a ton and there's more manufacturing the magazine that gun than there is in the rest of them is know if they can just accept rank those out uh halt man that's that's where the game changers are is just in terms of just adding volume of fire and yeah you see that after the war the things that really get developed after the war are tanks airplanes light machine guns and submachine guns our next question is from Daniel where any of the autoloading firearms available in 1914 or 1915 suitable for military purposes in the trenches assuming all the logistics get sort of like could the guns themselves have worked presumably follow-up question as if yes why didn't he use them so we've got some stuff like mm eaten a he does it yeah does that say specifically military cartridge because that's the dance to hang up so doesn't specify the stuff that worked wasn't military cartridge it's weird but to make the jump to say thirty out six or eight millimeter labelled seemed to be a huge leap in terms of making a functional reliable gun and a lot of cases by the time they got there they realize didn't even want to be there so World War two again we talk about war to the notorious for these big full power semi-automatic rifles and then immediately after that like what if we just run with an intermediate cartridge which by the way is this step almost back because when you talk about like room 1088 or Remington eight or the we talked about the Winchester together seven in 351 we talked about that in 1910 yeah those are approximating intermediate cartridges yeah and they work very well at that level because you get the rapid fire it's a rapid follow-up those guns were thrown into air once and he then they didn't put them there I mean there's hints the thing might have put him on the ground but it really did Mussa even if they did they didn't write it down it did show a lot of impact so it's more likely they just kept them in the air so do you think they could have been effective I think I think I think it was a I probably knew the just introduce that logistical nightmare which is that I don't think you're going to get wartime production of the Remington Model 8 - a reliable enough standard the the serviceability is too low on that Gunther great guns and individually what I want one well yeah but I know how to take care of it versus the average soldier and so if you could have simplified and been prepared ahead of time okay maybe but you know if you're familiar like the Garon's we had them before work you and there's still only two or three esse had to get put together or pulled out of inventory because just trying to scale what we were already doing first semi-automatic rifle twenty years after World War one and it to that point it's worth pointing out that the reason is primarily the French that use these things and I think it's largely correct me if I'm wrong it's largely because they have a lot of them around because man you France this gigantic catalogue based like a Sears Roebuck and Company stocked Winchester self loaders and I don't know if they did so much Remington's but they had Winchester self loaders that the ones were able to immediately get the bigger importance that they had to contact so they dint they had people on the ground the us that were buying agents that probably came from these organizations that existed before and so these guys would start saying do you want this do you want that but you know it's interesting we're about to you know this year talking about quote-unquote the remington male we have on the back wall somewhere but it doesn't really belong there because what really went out is what you see above your head that's the FN 1900 stroke and they bought like a hundred so a lot of these things get overblown yeah but they did buy thousands of are you have a winchester 1907 with a french magazine right there this is probably the best he could done a blowback yep simple rugged this could actually probably go survived a war zone except for it the rear here it gets a little complicated finicky but could be simplified i'm sure but who it's time to switch horses midstream that's the other issue is trying to spool up manufacturing for an unknown versus unknown quantity right with a new cartridge all new you don't have your stockpile of ammo that you've been building for who knows how many decades yep but I do think especially with the Winchester 1907 after handling that thing that could have been very effective especially early in the war when people really weren't sure their footing without the tactical advantage the infantry advantage would have been really strong no I would take one of those over any of the major combatant bolt-actions are you Ryan says in the US Mausers smle Springfield's 1917 in fields and most of the guns are all over the place at gun shows and available on the internet but moniker 1895 seemed to be relatively rare Austria was a major power with millions of troops in the field like everyone else is there some reason why so much less of their surplus got into the US after the war um my perspective there's a lot of Israel look they're all 95 30s right so they've been converted a by 56 that's a traditional idea that's a nice one there is like a crummy that's probably that was probably a pure 95 right there by the 1907 yeah but it looks just have the S shape let's see nope no that's a 1g Tom yeah so this is this is an original carbine but they like the pattern but in the long rifle which is very unwieldy yeah so they cut everything down to this both in Austria and Hungary and in Bulgaria so all three of them maybe swap over to the larger more powerful cartridge and that's actually an interesting combination let's ramp up the power Spitzer bullet and shrink it make the gun small oh the guys think scape like mules oh it's a lot of it's because they don't it doesn't actually I don't know why but it comes to a peak at the rear of these things so they hurt more than it should but I think part of the reason is a lot of these guns immediately went into post-war use with all of the countries that emerge from the wreckage of the austro-hungarian Empire yes nothing like the Balkans to just completely wipe out an entire arms production like just used into the ground very civil wars unifications I mean then Yugoslavia and then it's not larger than Yugoslavia that I mean just everywhere it's not like a lot of the other countries where after the war they all went into nice clean arsenals houses and eventually got surplus no these things got used but still plenty of the converted goats did show up yes and then but the second part I think is they use a cartridge that has never obtained any popularity here there weren't a lot of US troops in these regions in kind of in either a war comparative but it's being able to bring them home as trophies like that's why we have so many arasaka over a million era sokka's just documented as souvenirs came back in the US after World War two yeah it's kind of interesting most of the Austrian ones like this one probably I mean a lot of the Austrian was they're still in their original chamber 8 by 50 is because that they were given as repayment programs especially to Italy right after World War I was like well here's a bunch of guns in lieu of money and then those countries did not do the upgrade programs and especially with like Italy so a lot of the ones that you see actually in the original cartridge are because we got into a fight with Italy and therefore Britain the u.s. took a bunch of them from Italy who had taken a bunch from austria-hungary yeah that make sense yep next up I think you need to do more Q&A s with a reference wall of guns because this comes in handy it does Dale says if the untuk was to standardize on one nation's arms for better logistics which would have made the most sense so France u.s. Italy England UK in terms of okay so there's a couple ways to think about this but the number one thing that stands out to my mind is it would have to be a design that was currently produced in the u.s. because it make sense they just the sheer we're all manufacturing power in a place that was not being bombed or threatened so it would deem to be something that was in production the u.s. among the guns that were available in the u.s. I think in bolt-action terms would probably favor p40 1917 okay now to me it's an obvious choice for 30.6 and the 1917 is there any reason to go with a rim 303 cartridge if you're gonna standardize no it's only if we're talking about Stan on a current member nations cartridge because I ditch any rim the cartridge right away technically there's on Tom's technique you know members like Belgium at 765 Mauser I probably might have favored that over 30.6 in this kind of conflict a 1917 Enfield in seven six five but then again also you could get some of that length off because you're not having to deal with all the rebuilding a guess of Gus and it would be in 1917 Enfield shortened into a short rifle or a carbine in six five car Tom you know you laughs no it's I want one of those now no of course you would you Spitzer or bottle this because the Italians were still fielding follows even bottle nose I think would be better than I'd rather have a bottle nose six five Carcano than the 3006 yeah they're nice things is a powerful cartridge but you don't always need to note the one I mentioned three got six is the ability to defeat lidar memory at a trench situation but that's only a range in actual combat like getting into the trenches and moving you imagine the Lewis gun and sixty-five Carcano again I need their special roles there's special rules for machine guns where they actually want to punch or two we do see them ramping up to punch harder so okay maybe not how about a var in six five comma if something that was yeah but regardless I'm saying something in the Mauser family with the rear aperture sight is going to be very powerful if we just say aperture sight rimless cartridge yeah that leads about it the only answer then is the 1979 field yeah by the way beautiful system once it was too low for production control yeah I'd go that route so would i this was suggested not this particularly thing but there are notes that there were suggestions to go the US we go over three or three and then that way have a common cartridge it's sort of an early NATO idea so again that was poo-pooed immediately and I can't even able to find the reason why I was just really why they didn't memories oh yeah of course we're not doing that no we're Americans why do you think we threw them out 150 years before this Dylan says I've heard captioned Russian m95 Russian I have heard that Russian captured m95 s or often fed with Russian seven sixty by 54 rimmed and I've heard of ngons chambered for eight by fifty Austrian I find this thing fascinating what other capture converted World War one rifles and calibers are there there are a number um I think we have we have a Belgian 1889 Mauser that was converted to eight millimeter Mauser from seven six five extremely easy conversion which is why was done yeah the more difficulty Persian the less often it was actually done I mean I've seen Moses that were you know we could push it to this cartridge or that we can push it to well Bannerman had the 3006 ones that's not really before yeah these are one more time and then the eight millimeter polish ones are more time you know but the converted attempt to do that is it's a long and so it's easier to just go with captured ammo or to make the ammo and small batches because converting versus just cranking out some of the ammo or applying it somewhere or getting to hold up somehow and then using it in the rear where it's not being consumed way easier and all you do is you free up a gun that was in the really eases your ammo you put it up on the front line but you know there's a there's a lot of conversions from during the war and if you want to reach back you want to see a weird conversion it's not even a capture its internal conversion the martini or besides that is just freakin weird this know that working keep going on cue this is the first all yeah oh yes this is actually for 1912 from before the war because the Ottomans were having trouble with the balkan wars but this is a likes Peabody martini that was in you know a lot of a millimeter black-powder this has been converted to 765 in the US because technical Argentine it's the Belgian Malinois darts about melting yeah so this is a smokeless powder rimless cartridge martini and she has a spring-loaded ejection that I mean it's really complicated in there to get this to happen so I mean anything can happen we certainly have there's human conversion guns from the Ottoman 1887 that are believed to have been convert by Bulgaria April 15 room we don't know it's just believed that Bulgaria did it we're not sure where they came from we just know they exist they seem to exist in the market and it seems like maybe they came out of World War one we're not sure there were also some converted machine guns especially some of the Maxim's because they are very easy yes oh you swapped a lot you know you do you can basically drop in standard commercial parts but and make it into a different caliber without having to go through any of the sort of re-engineering nobody not even be a conversion in this case though because the maxim was designed to be sold that way so that you could just set it up for whatever country that you were selling it to I mean it's a conversion but but you know we've heard of them that's why they did it is because it was easy and reliable we've heard about Russia's you know converting Lewis guns to 760 oh and things like that the problem is you have to run down each of these claims off the top of my head others are like the Belgian II nines and things like that where there's a pattern right it can be pretty hard to lock it in because the numbers we're talking about are usually below like 2,500 or something these some small number in one time so that's very awesome yeah yeah um see you next up redneck tech says since we pretty much had developed all the various action types and pistols by about 1900 were there any attempts to develop an intermediate cartridge or a self loader in anything other than like 30 at six or eight labelled it seems it between about 1890 and 1940 the world forgot they could make a cartridge any size they wanted to I think we kind of covered this a little bit yeah there were a few commercially available but most you you know you should have this storied 351 turned into an eight millimeter for the French yeah for the rib a rotary that was a whole concept and it turned into a Spitzer bullet experimentally for the Americans with I think a big part of this was the the interchangeability of ammo between the rifles and the machine guns and they didn't like it wasn't worth deprecating machine guns to have a lighter and more handy or infantry rifle it definitely wasn't worth having two different cartridges to deal with no until you have fully automatic portable arms so all night submerging is never to pistol cartridge but we we got to get into around what you call it's all available before people really start to care about having your rifle cartridge that it's not the same as the the light machine gun or machine and then they'd be carrying around yeah next up andrew says given s characteristics would you consider well this actually is basically a follow-up question would you consider the winchester 1907 / 1910 to be one of the first true assault rifles and how successful was it in military service so here's the thing it gets claimed to be an assault rifle because intermediate style cartridge light automatic is where we get stuck up on that because I know from our friends at Cody that they did produce at least some trials models in full auto and I've seen claims by certain authors that the French and Russians bought them with select fire and I've been trying to track that claim down sounds like they really do I've been trying for two years to track down the claim there's some internal memos that sort of say the word automatic but that could just mean semi automatic there's some decoded what Evers that came out to say rapid-fire automatic as if that means me along different kind yeah yeah and so I don't know I have yet to see if they made any straight quantity because thousands those were made for the French you know I mean and we see the magazines and other signs of them you think if there was a bunch with select-fire there'd be a photo somewhere of one with a selector switch that wasn't a prototype sitting in the winchester reference collection you know right so now as for their I will go on the record and say the things not been assault for a combination of reasons one it's not select fire and two the way that they were used first off they weren't used on the ground they were used in aircraft it's what I already touched on but even if those aircraft guys had been using them on the ground you don't have the whole concept of assault rifle as it's being referenced here is about volume of fire and you can't have that with two 10-round magazines you're trying to make it fit in the sense of the gun fits the pattern was already full but yeah it's all rifle is also doctrines as well as they really and the Winchester doesn't fit it see next we have Jerry I'll give the point it could easily be converted to that like yeah some very short jumps rather they didn't make those jumps I think right the Burton actually would have been one of them yeah oh yeah there are the stack magazine there's an emphasis on volume of fire on a portability of ammunition of shooting move that's the one to talk and they mean to well you know that's enough to solve next question is from Jerry it says why did the rest of the warning powers not adapt the 10th round magazine like the British did with their smle did this not give them the advantage of not having to load their rifles half as often as most of everyone else's point thing is they still had five rounds Rimmer flips because that's about five or six rounds is where you run out of space to put in your pocket or pouch a 10 round stripper clip nobody wants that and they aren't nearly as reliable done to try feet so margin by this tiniest sliver possibly faster to load that magazine except also now you have to deal with 10 rounds stacking the magazine and more spring pressure so maybe not even that generally when tried there are countries that had larger or smaller magazine Swiss had this with their Kaveri 1889 they went to like the K 11 and things like that okay let G 11 and then Kail 11 things like that they just found that on overall when we have 30 men firing continuously if we give them 100 rounds and we divided up between 5 or 10 it doesn't seem to make any difference in terms of the overall volume of fire and here's the other thing if you have let's say you want to time someone shooting 100 rounds you're gonna get basically the same time whether they have a 10 round mag or a 5 round mag because you will spend the same amount of the difference will be your time loading 90 rounds versus loading 95 rounds into the magazine and it doesn't really go any faster to do 10 at a time as opposed to doing 5 shooting 5 and then doing another 5 so you kind of see this only when you're limiting it to like 10 rounds or 20 rounds maybe beyond that you actually don't get a benefit to it and then especially what you just said when you add in the fact that you've got a bunch of other guys there right or covering everyone who's reloading and there is a disadvantage a extended magazine like that's sticking out there is prone to damage I mean we've all seen old Liam fields you have to be careful to check though that magazine is going to feed when you buy one like nowadays that the wear is obvious they can get dinged and egged the lee-enfield is actually one of the most successful not completely destroyed extended magazines but usually when you have amazing sticks out of the rifle it has to be very heavy reinforced steel yeah in those days it just and then by the way in terms that capacity sticking down you've lost your ability to go prone if you go too far with it yeah you don't get that with ten rounds but you definitely do get the potential to damage that man but when this last time you saw Mauser with a damaged magazine that wouldn't feel right like you don't know yeah Daniel yeah follow-up question basically Daniel says I sometimes hear the smle referred to as a detachable box magazine rifle however I rarely see one anyone ever load it this way how was ammo issued and used with the smle in World War one you know we're back on magazines I thought of one other point from the previous question let me nail those real quick the another example by the way people talk about trench bags 2020 annex nobody goes nobody fights with those every time you see a photo of one of those it's never a soldier holding it they're always bolted into one of those periscope guns wait a century I've seen pictures of centuries that's true but but they're not guys going over the top no it's not the people because they problem is you've got a dive and once you dive where's he gonna go there's nowhere to sink that thing down so you'll see that periscope goes we'll see it back behind the line yeah but there's something to be said to the new durability of a five-round magazine being nice and tight to the rifles yeah and then I'm sorry I just want to cover that one and then we're time of smelly specific are they changing the back they issued like bandoliers of mangas in the Train well it was designed to actually have two magazines so what's the number two meters and the idea was that you would have football you were supposed to have amazing cut off the original Longley is what we're talking about here and so you would have InDesign only you're going to single shot the gun until something happened that was bad and then you would open the magazine or you'd open the magazine cutoff and then you'd rapid fire to clean up with Breda breakthrough or whatever and then you could drop the mag and it hung from a chain it would just hang off the gun you pull your one spare mag and plug it in mag cut off again and we go back to single shot and that way we can deal with up to two emergencies and then after that we got problems because there's no charging back then another nice stuff so that was in design never actually released that way they just ultimately ended up keeping them detachable for the sake of cleaning and maintenance and because that's how the gun was already being built right it's interesting it's interesting note when the US Navy bought Remington was a remington leaves I think um they did actually issue them with belts of four magazines and they kind of did that but that was the US Navy and they were in 4570 and I think there were four or five round magazines maybe he's always tend to start paying ahead yeah William says if I recall the British bought a bunch of era sokka's from Japan during World War one or they ever filled it like why what did the British do with arasaka mostly naval use they did produce ammunition they filled rolls basically off the frontline drill they will use things like that a lot of port guarding because you don't want saboteurs in there and things like that you see what you see oh sorry this is exactly what we talked about a few minutes ago with with the conversions oh my some ammo buy some rifles give them to someone who's not really gonna use them but has to be armed and then all of the Navy's lian fields can go to the front yeah and by the way it would've been a cinch to convert to 303 on those guys that believes late not perfect but they could take the stress of it there's room in the receiver you would had to modify the bolt though why bother we used to make some ammo no where there I thought I saw haha fuse as it was like the second most common rifle and very close to the same issue numbers for a while before production get back up Russia yeah Russia had tons of type 38 type 38 cardies and type 30 rifles from Japan left there was four russo-japanese war but they also bought them and took the mantle made because they were being surplused out because japan was doing just fine they have tons of rifles so 6.5 would have been very common in Russia which is why we see it involved in the development of a certain auto rifle right yeah someday I'll get a chance to shoot that already next question is from Jeff who says what were some of the popular field modifications the troops applied to their firearms court-martial yes people think this is a thing um a lot of this by the way is twofold the old version of this the fun version of this it is my Pappy's gun and he carved his name into it in public but pabbie didn't want the neighbor stealing his gun number one and by the way 19 times out of 10 when patty said this was Mike when Pappy says this was my gun in the war everyone assumes this was his personal gun that when he left they said you had a good war here's your gun goodbye no okay Pappy may have had a Winchester in the war it's not that once right he just bought it surplus laboring with that's somewhere in the world my buy one of those and I guess this is the gun pattern of gun I had no war not and the exist my Pappy's always loved that ambiguity you do that crap on purpose don't fall for that crap and then they carved a name in there so bill who's always borrowing stuff and never good at brac I put Pappy on here so bill can't keep it and by the way they're equally likely that Pappy had one of these in the war oh yeah notoriously like that's that's it yeah so you're watching this in you're a total gun nerd that does not mean that everyone who's issued to Gandhi in a war he's also a gun nerd or even that have any even remote tiny interest in any of the details of their gun oh yeah it's a tool I mean some of them yes and hopefully they all ended up in the develop or indie development thing I think I think majority your audience is probably male probably interested in militaria go to the nearest makeup store and just just eyeball everything that's a cylindrical tube this big and tell me which one is lip gloss and which one the eye liner from 40 feet away and that is what Patti knows about is because you think probably the only full-size rifle he was ever given right you see something that looks even remotely like it anyway sorry that's a separate issue modifications probably practically no and if you got caught doing it it had been your butt and the guns were almost more valuable than men in most armies in fact there are a couple the exceptions are really notable and they're not world war one exceptions the one that comes to mind is the Boer War yes wars carved all sorts of cool labret stuff oh and sometimes just garbage crap but sometimes really elaborate interesting things and their rifles and they did it because there were all their own personal guns or you have things like partisans or like you know yeah you slob Chetnik whatever again though you have a less organized not full state right and then by the way once they've become a full state that stuff knocks off real quick you don't see that on later patterned guns because all of a sudden states spending tax money on it they don't want you messing with it I'm I'm not 100% on the details of this because it's something that I'm hoping to go look at but up in Canada one of the museums has its smle from what were one that is completely and very intricately we like relief in relief carved all the wood it's beautiful and it's something that a soldier did in the field and cut court-martialed for but the gun was so nice that they kept it and put in the museum but that did not prevent them from throwing him in the Brig really no I will say too talking about field modifications I have handled not feel mark modification but armory modification which is where modification happens at the armory level yeah the Springfield 1903 you know action ramble and then when we think of it as the 9003 is really more like a 19 or 5/6 right but this was then serial number one and it made it all the way to France in World War one before they filled armor said this is serial number one and sent it back it had every upgrade done to it by that no rod man and there's nothing left on it so that's they're not that sentimental about these guns but again you don't get to touch it we get the road the only other exception I can think of is a world war two thing that's the Stingers I could say if we're going to World War two Italians they intended to do casing art on their guns yeah kick out hot casings and rubble min to get patterns that seems to have been a thing as far as I can tell I don't know unless that was just a universal rural thing to immediately post-war but I doubt it all right next up we have Tyler who says what was the most significant lesson learned about firearms designed during World War one my answer would be the shift from focusing primarily on marksmanship and accuracy to appreciating benefit of appreciating the benefit of volume of fire what say you that is volume of fire was probably something they picked up on pretty tight only it seems more ascribe than machine yet though well you don't you don't see it as much in other realms except for him Germany goes on a universal machine gun on everybody else it goes on a light machine gun hunt and then a submachine gun that's probably the big one his personal personal mobile firepower goes up which is what he's talking about in terms of all use fire right that is where that volume of farting kicks in and he's specifically asking about firearms design right the design side though simplicity manufacture I think what they started to finally understand is how to effectively make self-loading rifles that were militarily reliable how to go from commercial stuff like this yeah that's awesome but you don't want to field-strip that in the trench almost like this is the inkling in World War 1 but it really does take another decade it takes a while before we see it in self-loading rifles but you see it in submachine guns like this idea of you don't need a locking system you can have a tube and big cylindrical bolt and a magazine and just let it slam back and forth that's my biggest takeaway from Honda yeah mass production that's there were simplifications but really when you start to see an MV 18 and then they start saying stamps deal was the next big thing and only simplified in World War two it's like by the end of World War one they'd started figuring out that they can make stuff out of crud and it would still run that was probably the most important lesson in terms of large-scale warfare what maybe muddies that is that they didn't then act on it no because they then the war ended and if you could build crap but if you don't have to why would you wonder like that but you have surplus everything right so they went back to continuing to make nice guns because you can write and it wasn't until World War two when things got really desperate people went you know what remember doesn't happen see you've got two more here next one is Kyle what is your favorite carbine of the first world war I know there are a lot of choices but I'd go a Serbian Mauser 1908 it is felt handy and chambered in one of the milder rounds of it states seven millimeter Mauser I actually love this seven millimeter Bowser cartridge it's pleasure shooter and then that is a very weird pick by the way most terrible are not aware that there was a survey 1908 it's probably one of if not the rarest possible gun that you could pick from one where so you don't bleep where did how many have seen a video rifle chance but hasn't been released yet maybe maybe by the time of this thing but where anybody would ever lay their hands on one of the red thank you by the way John clear for learning yeah these are they are really nice and if I had to pick a bolt-action carbine this is pretty high up there on the list so this or I could even say like I'm on like your shirt our carbine those are fantastic fire on shots smoother than this gun and I do not hate a 6.5 bottle-nosed any more than you do so maybe like a Greek come on like for sure now or something like this would work just fine for me 38 carbon also an extremely good gun and one of my favorites in terms of being button down for water and mud proof however quite a cocked on 90% [ __ ] on clothes a little 10% cock-on open and the [ __ ] on clothes is not that smooth it's the one thing I don't like about those guns is that if you're trying to rapid-fire they really want to push off the target more than some others that's true but otherwise extremely superior but I take it over a standard you know Mauser carving in many ways in terms of sheer reliability 6 5 it's a carbine if it weren't for the problems with the end boy flips themselves like not always being perfect that is extremely light and extremely handling and underappreciated I mean it's not underappreciated but I think the males are stuck yeah naturally of course that is the actual original World War 1 version with the cool World War one version thing so that one's got the cavalry switchy switch there was a limited thing you know it's pretty cool all right and our last question is from Edie who says out of all of the forgotten rare unusual World War one one weapons you've gotten your hands on which one would you take into combat and he says why would it still be the MP 18 or the RSC but I'll let you go first did you ever lose your understanding so I'm going to tip my hand too much um honestly I would be tempted by the RSC as long as I had knew I had a good logistical trail of Clips right because I think Pete's clips in my experience my limited but real experience is that those clips are pretty much disloyal darnay's yeah boy I wasn't even thinking about my own the answer is I have to ask you he's not wrong with the MBT I would say though that is hedged by the fact that I now have one of my hands they're having some time to actually play with one and I'm coming to some conclusions about how that gun is not as simple as you think in terms of handling there is a sleeve that fits over the magazine that magazines are such an albatross for that thing well so there's a suit if it's of amazing everything's there as a spacer I actually suspect that you're supposed to load the magazine and then thumb that spacer forward because you can over feed the magnet will jam up the gun in ours but ours is a rebuild so I need to go play with some snap caps and some museum pieces in the future to confirm this but everything seems to say insert magazine grab pull mag back out shop for it it sets up and then it runs like a cops that's a bit a lot of handling even though you are getting the submachine gun if we're looking at oh you know I could count on your opinion possibly there is another very forgotten submachine gun do you have any opinion on a certain Italian design are you talking about the ovie piece yes I painted the one in a museum the problem is I've never shot I'm shot one has an extremely high rate of fire right it was kind of finicky in fact it didn't run all that well but then again it's a hundred-year-old weird submachine gun and loads and who magazine has a big open slot on the back which is conceptually though very strong right yes conceptually really weird cocking system oh you've got a pump I leave on it that's it's very nice with a locking button on the bottom that's kind of weird and awkward to get used to I'd found that thing most comparable to the Browning auto 22 in terms of field pick it up and get what I mean what am i holding here that said it doesn't have the weird balance issue of the MP 18 it is overall the name Leon 30 ground running way out on the side it doesn't have the magazine weirdness feeding issues that you're talking about it's a much lighter gun overall and it's better balanced that would be a really strong contender there no just yeah if I don't have a crew to load the magazines for me that might put me over the edge for the breath or for the ovp but because that's a double stack double feed traditional magazine and it's as opposed to that Luger trommel drum that is like if you lose your tool just shoot yourself the problem with naming a forgotten weapon by the way there's never any data on how all they actually prefer right like yeah we're basically dreaming cuz yeah then I can go full federal often that because I have a select-fire with it but when you actually pull the trip what the heck does it do yeah and so that's kind of how did I forget about that one that would actually be or honestly the fedorov might be more compelling to me than the RSC you actually handle one so I've known I've never fired one but I've handled it I kind of like the handling it was a handy right how many things have you handled that you liked and then yeah something goes you know Ellie happens you always gotta pull the trigger what you wanted to do that on our show as much as possible yeah okay so that's a good one Darrell Bevell great we'll both run around with Fedorov Sando VP 1918 i if i was actually drawn in the war would be picking stuff that was very well proven yeah uh my Chester 1907 yeah very very high contender better than a bolt-action but you pretty darn sure it will actually work I mean technically some FM 1800 in there and I've had a lot of luck with that in the Remington 800 I think a little more susceptible there than I like yeah but what a little work but again this is all conjecture in the long run I would take a good reliable bolt-action in that period with what Cottle orders were doing and field 1917 yeah all right there it is so thank you to everyone on patreon who made this possible it's you guys that supply the questions I like I said I didn't want to spoil giveaway what we were doing here because we have a big project you're working I don't think I've ever spent so much money in my life let alone ffensive project you know a lot of ammo a lot of machine guns go through a lot of ammo which costs a lot of money yeah so he spent a lot of days in the Sun when we're not done we're we're done filming this but we have to go something out with that now and then now we got to make up some time to film some other things too oh my god this is a nightmare you want to tell people anything about dozens yeah at this point it's probably pretty Taylor the couple little teasers that we've gotten our hands on like every light machine of the war and most of the auto rifles yeah so he's like everything up to the rarity of a fedorov we have yes that's pretty much the only thing that I could name and again I don't know that song is for a standard issue I felt god no it didn't right and so everything we have at least so they just saw standard issue yeah and it's arguably a light machine gun it's we got it yeah it'd be here so that was theirs too of a convalescence of things that I was like II and get over there this is a chance to do this so there's a lot of content because you will be seeing the results of that project over the course of about a month and it will be on both channels half of it will be forgot my than half of it will be on CN Arsenal so assuming none of us catch fire died with it true it's not quite all filmed no although it will be by the time people see very tiring anyway big thank you to all of you for tuning in if you haven't watched anything on CN Arsenal you should definitely head over check it out elias's depth and research is fantastic and hopefully I'll come back and do some more collaboration with you again in the future yeah thanks thanks for watching

Channel: Forgotten Weapons

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Keywords: history, development, mccollum, forgotten weapons, design, disassembly, kasarda, inrange, inrangetv, othais, ww1, c and arsenal, arsenal, candrsenal, c&rsenal, mae, world war one, world war, madsen, pedersen device, springfield, carbine, obrez, cut down, trench, rsc, mp18, secret weapon, rifle grenade, collab, collaboration, trench shotgun, model 97, winchester, black powder, 1907, wsl, rifle, smle, magazine, captured rifle

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Length: 74min 5sec (4445 seconds)

Published: Thu Jan 17 2019

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Just a thought on the 5-round vs 10-round magazine debate: Would the 10-round magazine be potentially more accurate overall compared to the 5-round magazine? The shooter would only need to take their eyes off their sights and adjust to reload half as often with a 10-round magazine when compared to the 5-round magazine.