Prison diaries - Shaun Attwood’s tells his story - US prison, ecstasy & more

[Music] delinquent nation prison diaries we've got the man himself sean atwood i'm excited to have him on we've got a brilliant story that i can finally get out on my channel i can finally get to understand myself you've got a very successful podcast and you've got your books there and you're doing loads so yeah i'd like to dive into your story and also if anyone wants to check out his stuff he's got amazing interviews go on his channel all the links will be in the description i'm a huge fan of yours man we're watching for ages same way man yeah and you interviewed me yesterday so blown away yeah yeah so we can't wait to get it out yeah can't wait to get that one out there everyone go and check out his channel to see that interview i don't know he's trying to get me drunk i don't even drink tried to get him one of the magnums to taste the better yeah go and yeah we've got sean trying the magnums sweet in it spicy wine yeah yeah it's good for you in bed as well yeah it's like my throat right now i was like yeah yeah oh talking's been like wearing my tonsils out that's like yeah you've let them up yeah good man magnum if you want to come and sponsor this you're more than welcome to but yeah i want to um get right into your story bro man um and you know we're going to start off i know we've got very and i found out yesterday that we got kind of similar stories in the way we came about doing what we was doing but like yeah let's get into your fellow pioneer yeah you know i mean yeah so um yeah let's get into your life growing up how is the home life like education so chemical manufacturing town called witness rugby league and grew up in the town center pretty much didn't have that much money raw terrorist houses mum's like a housewife and my dad is a door-to-door insurance sales man so i get into school don't i and what was it it was maggie thatcher was selling off british telecom and my dad he's a big labor supporter so i asked i said to my dad can i get 50 quid to invest in the stock market and he's like what's that about you know maggie thatcher's selling british telecom he's like bugger off we hate supporting maggie bloody thatcher we're not bloody tories like your name and when he said none lightbulb went off over my head jogged down to my nan's house got 50 quid off her to put in it and it doubled right away what straight away straight away first day of dealings it went from 50p to 99p 100p yeah so i think we sold it right away 100 profit and i was addicted man to the stock market that moment went down the library got loads of books my economics teachers gave me like extra classes so it was a weird situation for a kid to have this focus wasn't it how old was he 14 when i started following it and then 16 when i made my first investment by 18 19 i was trading like options derivatives oh yeah and then by the time i was at uni like all my family members wanted to get in on it the pets names and everything she only got a certain quota yeah if you applied to these new stock market issues that maggie factory was doing you didn't get like 100 shirts per person the summers we had to like oh yeah spread it out yeah yeah it's i kind of i've got an idea of what you do because i've kind of got into the whole crypto thing now yeah and i'm very much into that you know that's kind of like stocks in it yes do you know what i mean but my best mate was a maniac so i was the studious one yeah wild man in his school he suddenly grew so big he picked the school teacher up and put him in the bin and then the teachers were so scared of him get him outside raking leaves so i'm studying he's coming knocking on my door he's all black and blue he's all buzzing he's been fighting the bouncers in in the town he's only a kid yeah and he's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger so at the top of the town there was a area called pax hill it's countryside and there's a quarry if you sneak through the iron fence there was a tree we would sit on overlooking the quarry that we call the thinking tree yes there was me wild man and wild man's cousin hammy okay so hammy would ask us what we're going to do with our lives and wildman's like i've got red dots in my head telling me to hurt people i'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison and then i'm like no you're not peter i'm going to fly you to america i want to make a million in the stock market fly you to america you're going to be a wrestler you're going to wrestle andre andrew the giant and all this [ __ ] because i'm just an idealist little little kid and um that's what happened he went to prison and i went to america and it took a while for me to get established but then i flew him over okay um yeah so what did he go prison from a young age wardman yeah yeah yeah okay and then you made your way to america yeah doing stocks and what off of wall street baby do you remember like the meetings in the office and [ __ ] yeah it was just like that so our boss he looked like a mafia don he's got these two heavy hitters stop brokers in to give us the motivational meeting big board behind them and they're like it's like military-style drill sergeant-styled like you're only as big as your numbers are on this board for the month if you're calling your wives calling your girlfriends other brokers are calling your clients if you're having lunch if you're having breaks other brokers are calling your clients smile and dial we have to have mirrors where we were sat and smile at ourselves while we were dialing oh we had 24 foot curly cords because pacing broke has made the most money wow [ __ ] nuts stop rocking sounds fancy people think yeah stop broken it's it's glorified telesales yeah yeah no but i i kind of see it like because i've seen wolf in wall street yeah is it so it's just like that you're right hell's angels dropping off meth this this not in lines of coke and meth off the desks any uh celebration a lima would arrive with striptease girls in there would be off to the striptease club they put me on what was called the criminal quad from the get-go so there was three other guys with me who were hardcore one of them was a vietnam vet who would have random flashbacks and just that kung fu kicking around one of them i just got out of prison and he told all his clients he'd been away because he'd been fighting cancer in hospital for the last so many years and he was calling cancer patients and bonding with him getting to invest and the other one was a really uh icy person who had like he was an alcoholic you're like yeah but yeah that's they school me in in the stock market stuff yeah oh word yeah and would you very successful in that did you no oh [ __ ] no but for my first two years i was in a race against my student credit cards running out of money before i was about to come home so i just went on a visitors visa didn't have any work visa and stayed and i've all i've got is my student credit card so i'm living off cheese on toasted bananas the first couple of years wow yeah was he trading or investing so as a stock broker it's telesales so you're calling people right 500 numbers a day 10 of those people will let you send them your business card and a brochure and maybe one of them will invest out of all them yeah and then they'll send you a check for like 10 grand in whatever they're investing in and you'll get like two three hundred dollars off that yeah yeah it worked yeah sounded kind of difficult man i mean it was a baptism of fire in a sense like i had a bit of social anxiety that's what got me onto the drugs as young person and you're calling people up and 500 409 out of 500 telling you to [ __ ] off i'm having dinner you know take me off your list yeah it does break you in yeah yeah yeah so um [Music] so would you would you say like did you end up living the dream over there well i brought wild man over didn't i um i've got him uh so by the time you got him over were you doing all right or yeah i'm making six figures a year at that point okay so i fly him over i get in my house near the georgian dragon british pub in central phoenix thinking he's just gonna have a beer with expats and not getting any trouble yeah um about three weeks into it me and my girlfriend go to visit peter and this is your girlfriend from america yeah you met her in the miracle yeah okay yeah so we knock on the door and some mexican guys answer and we're like where's peter and they're like oh peter there's no peter like yeah where's pete he lives here like nosed up here and they all start [ __ ] pulling guns out so me and my bird are like back peddling over the street thinking about to get shot here yeah and then pete he's the big guy when he died he was 29.5 stones six foot two peter being wild wild man yeah yes he just bounced his old road all smiles like peter you nearly just got his [ __ ] kill what's going on with your place he goes all right they're the local crack dealers they like to move around a lot i've let them stay in my place i'm staying in their place over the street they're buzzing because i can do a hundred dollar crack rock in one breath it goes sizzle sizzle sizzle and it calms down my red dots oh [ __ ] word he said the one in the back is the colombian guy from cali who's running it and he wants to invest in the stock market [Applause] [Laughter] well that place ended up with a corpse on the doorstep we had to move him is it yeah how did that come about so a few more weeks later i um in the office get a call my aunt calls the office turn headline news on right now it's peter's house does he happened and beat his house it was yellow tape all around this house someone's dead it might be pete get your ass up there yeah i go up there yellow tape the media dirt police said i've got drugs in the car i'm like [ __ ] this i'm [ __ ] myself thinking you might be dead but i'm also i don't want to get busted i go back to the office and i go back later that evening and if it was cleared up there was still blood on the step i walk in and he sat in the living room of a homicide detective so thank god he's not dead they've done gunpowder tests on him so it wasn't him yeah so what happened was a couple came over to get drugs from the mexicans but then moved over the street so the female went over the street to get the drugs and the male stayed with peter peter's never seen a gun before oh yeah the guy's got a gun he's like i'm from england we don't have guns can you show me your gun so the guy starts demonstrating the gun says the safety zone pulls a trigger and shoots himself wow yourself in the head well peter had to move in a hurry and he was having nightmares about it all and everything so we moved him to a west side flat with a woman from the drug community that he'd met yeah she was in there with her girlfriend and the girlfriend's fella big steroid head bouncer he had like blonde chip and dale style permed her tough guy spoke this like weird accent and um i thought all right you know he's he's he's acting a bit tough and willie william and peter clash i'm thinking but anyway they were behind on the rent i went and met the landlady gave her a check next day get caught at the office peter's been evicted well even though you paid for the rent yeah yeah i said why has he been evicted yeah she said that the roommate he'd beat the roommate up what did stereo do yeah and i said well how do you know he's beat the roommate what proof is that of that she said the steroid head was seen running through the apartment complex in the middle of the night with powder plasterboard powder all over his face and there's multiple human head size holes in the walls no way like peter what the [ __ ] did you do that for and he said he kept talking [ __ ] to me saying he was a gangster disciple and throwing all these hand signs and fake saying how tough he was fighting all these people at the club so i just [ __ ] put his head through the walls sick of it fortunately i was able to stop the check yeah before it got cached quick okay so one of the women the other woman had a boyfriend in tempe another part of near phoenix a suburb and they were behind on the rent so i fixed that situation and it was peter moving to that place was where the whole criminal enterprise started because i'm not a gangster i'm a business nerd yeah pete is a serious guy and people like look up to him and he talks to anyone yeah so he opened the door through the people who came to his apartment into that world for me yeah to get the connections to build up the enterprise okay so he he was building up a bit of respect over there because he was just a maniac yeah everywhere he went you're thinking i mean we were at a biker meth head pool hall style bar and a giant walks in and whenever peter's going to do something when his red dots are triggered one eyebrow stays completely flat yeah and the other eyebrow goes up like that yeah it's almost [ __ ] vertical yeah so this giant walks in peter's been smoking crack of meth all week his eyes just look like the devil and he's like eyebrow goes up oh peter don't do anything please he just makes a beeline for the giant grabs his hand looking up at his face my name's peter the giant goes yeah my name's whatever and pete's not squeezing his hand and goes if i were you i'd be in the circus you [ __ ] freak jack goes what did you just say feels like you [ __ ] i'd be happy in the circus you [ __ ] freak the giant just looks in his eyes this maniac his eyes are just completely blood red he hasn't slept in the week he's on drugs and everything yeah he's just saw the devil i think and he just he chilled the situation out and he goes you guys want to come outside and see my car yeah so we went outside and he showed us his car he's his seat was in the back he was so big yeah he even gave us his number and said he wanted to hang out and come collecting debts and stuff oh wait we lost his number yeah imagine those two showing up at your place yeah you know i'd have been a bit of a duo man yeah yeah so so you so you say like you've ended up meeting these connection that through him the new mexican mafia he had russians over he had italians over he had gang bangers street gangs wherever he went he took control of the street people yeah so he'd have like um street walking transgender sex workers partying with him as well as gang bangers and homeless uh people who are like crackheads we'll be cooking up crack in his kitchen and you just have all these different people from all different walks of life and for the first time ever they were all an ecstasy for the first time yeah can you imagine people who wouldn't probably normally talk telling each other their life stories and bonding yeah so that's how it all came about was through his first place rancho marietta it was called that complex in in tempe so he he had he basically had all the clientele not client tacos you could not give peter any drugs okay any amount of drugs you gave him and he would try and trick you you say i want to sell this but you would just do it i'm taking it we were on the way to a rave once in california big bur lake and we were on acid and we were tripping and we thought the police were behind us we're like who's going to swallow the drugs so there's all these drugs in the bag including like half an ounce of crystal meth and he's like yeah i'll swallow the [ __ ] drugs he's [ __ ] ate all the drugs right so we're leaving phoenix arizona where it's almost 50 degrees we've got our like sandals on and shorts we're going big by lake mountain freezing cold in california he's his body is trying to get rid of these drugs so fast we're freezing cold right and we get clothes and stuff from friends we know that he's roasting hot yeah he's sweating all the drugs are coming out of his entire body and he was just loving it wow oh yeah he's lucky he's like he didn't overdose he's well he's dead now because of the consequence of all this he had multiple organ failure uh just over a year ago he was only in his 40s so rest in peace i mean he when he was doing meth walkabouts we wouldn't see him for days he'd either wake up in the house and get arrested or he'd [ __ ] go unconscious because he was dehydrated by the heat and end up in hospital so and damage damage in his heart so we visited him in hospital i'm on those occasions show up he says have you got any e i think when he gets out of hospital he wants to celebrate yeah gave him the e he [ __ ] necked it right there nice bro in the hospital all these things strapped to him all these monitors [ __ ] so 30 40 minutes later all the monitors are going [ __ ] weird we had to run out the hospital before because we had all these drugs on us yeah that's wild yeah um can you just explain because you see meth that's not that's not over here you know i mean you can't understand why it's not because the coke heads you're doing a line every so many hours or whatever to maintain your height people just went over to meth in america you do online and that's it you awake till the next day you don't need anything you don't need to top it up yeah and it costs a lot less i know about myth from like breaking bad and that yeah yeah i love breaking i cried when [ __ ] white rescued jesse at the end oh yeah yeah yeah that was a sick box set man yeah but were you saying you guys was all involved in that did you ever try it yeah yeah totally so i i was uh what was your first experience yeah but with meth i did have a little thing for it not as bad as wild man because i never smoked anything yeah people who smoke drugs can consume a lot and when you've got unlimited amounts you you just go through it and that's why you would go paranoid and berserk but with me i would either snort meth or eat it or do hot rails what's hot roast so hot roll once a minute while getting the content yourself now um with a hot rail you've got a glass tutor yeah right and you put half of it on like the heat the heating of the cooker yeah so half of it's hot yeah yeah and then you've got your liner and if it's powder but as you snort the powder it turns into smoke oh because of the heat oh yeah yeah yeah but it wasn't a smoker so i only did that on occasion my main thing was eating it or snorting it yeah yeah and what effects did it have when you were see when i was a stock broker right and you got to be aggressive to get your numbers up on the board yes and i'm not an aggressive person but meth you think you're super human yeah so i became the top producing stock broker in my office on crystal meth because instead of asking people for 10 grand i'll be asking them for a hundred grand this is not an advertisement for me folks because when you start on drugs the side effects are very low but meth the side effects coming faster there was a guy headline news yeah postman before after picture one year looked completely healthy a year later he was gone as [ __ ] meth sauce and everything he was driving on the motorway freeway it's called out there he'd been up for a week he was having crystal meth psychosis looked in the mirror he's two sons in the back he thinks one of them's a demon no way he gets like a rambo knife out and pulls over and cuts his son's head off in front of his other son no yeah so stay away from meth people stay away from me stay away from all drugs yeah i just wanna i i'm very excitable uh i like being around you and i just want to give a disclaimer that i do work in drugs education now i was at school in london this morning i scurried the living day likes out of kids with what i went through and my mum had a nervous breakdown the conditions in the jail my sister counseling so i you know i'm a hardcore on a program to keep drug kids away from drugs and crime yeah mad respect man maximum respect all right so um so how did you get into selling ease now and how did you get on such a scale that you going on all right so rave all right manchester rafi manchester liverpool going clubs like in uh manchester united the first one i went to was the thunderdome oldham road conspiracy that's the end a little bit liverpool it was the state scrapyard in tok stiff quadrant park later on and first time i took it because they had social anxiety won't go and talk to women wouldn't dance too self-conscious and you know i'm in the late teens university took ecstasy took a rapper billy where's 45 minutes in my knees buckle and this boring room with this weird moves it all started making sense i went with me pulls me up yeah we just start dancing i never really got into dancing before that yeah i didn't even want to take a pee break i was just enjoying it okay even knowing it kept me moving and the whole room was just pulsing yeah and that became my religion so i i said i had that goal on the thinking tree to make a million by the time i was [ __ ] the stock market my net now my goal after the rave scene was when i make that million i'm gonna i'm gonna transfer that rave scene over to america yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah it got it got dark it got dark we didn't really work out no it worked out for many years yeah so in the beginning i was hooking up through the locals and the locals saw me you know coming to the rave they've got a nice car they call me the bank of england yeah so there's all these competing little crews coming to the bank of england to invest in the raves okay and the racing's just starting yeah so i became an integral part of the fledgling rave scene in arizona clicked up with all the local people i think you described something with you said the users all the information flowed up to you from the users yeah yeah they were the locals yeah yeah yeah same thing same thing same thing with competition coming in or undercover cops coming in you're gonna find that aren't you from yeah from locals so one of the main locals then was acid joey native american stocky guy discovered him at this dingy [ __ ] underground rave thing in some some studio there was a circle of people watching him dance he was on cut him in and he was just so fluid he should have been in music videos yeah so i think he's on good [ __ ] him i need to get talking to him so when he was outside i approached him and said you know can you get me something from england blah blah blah and they they all buzz off the english accent as well yeah plus had all these tapes tapes this is how all the story is 808 state show from manchester and i was showing up showing them all and um so acid joey could get us like 20 pills in the beginning 50 maybe 100 and he said that the local suppliers were getting them out of la yeah so we organized a thousand pill purchase out of la okay and was the ecstasy seemed like big in america at the time no because it was here wasn't it i mean yeah but then the whole scene really blew up in england across the country because when i saw it on the news as a teenager it was every weekend yeah like why i died ravers you're smiling the police were like what the [ __ ] i'm gonna do about these people convoys on the motorway from the end as far as you could see just full of ravers and the cops couldn't do anything about it so it was like uh it was a revolution of music in this country like i had never seen yeah before raves you had to line up at the nightclub in your suit and your tie and the bouncers would look at you like you were [ __ ] yeah and the young people were sick of it yeah yeah they just broke into warehouses and airplane hangers and were all these psychedelic clothes yeah like hippies from the 60s and then what the [ __ ] they wanted so that swept the whole country i mean even my finals for my degree i had all that rave music just going i've been on e all weekend and i start my finals on mondays going up in my head yeah so it was a revolution so in america something like that would initially come into new york and l.a that's how it and then it go it moves because if you think about the size of america it's like europe really yeah every state is almost like a different country countries and cultural differences and um so it was just starting they were delayed by several years behind us yeah i got in at the start over there yeah so then acid joey hooks me up with that and arranges a thousand pill purchase in la through this surfer ganks the guy called saul i didn't even know surfer gangsters were realizing that's what i was saying this whole story sounds nuts mine because you've got surfer gangsters have you watched point break no i haven't seen that point break is like a bank robbery movie i think and it's got surfer gangsters in it yeah yeah i've seen that actually yeah i've seen that yeah so there's two car loads of us go out there yeah me and well man in my car and then seth and acid joey and the other car they're all dead now because they were all hardcore trucks acid joey was found dead in the swimming pool with all of his clothes on and and seth's heart went and nassef was a big guy and um we go out there and the guy's not there it's a wild man he's not a very patient person yeah he's i'm just gonna [ __ ] kick his door down and take his [ __ ] and i'm like peter you can't be thinking like that we want to establish a connection this is a business experiment if it works i can quit the stock market [ __ ] and just get into this so before you say before you got into that like so you said you was making six figures of the stock market yeah so you're trying to stop that and then go into what it is right i'll be in the office for the six o'clock in the morning sales meeting yeah i'm up at 4 30 whatever yeah and then i'm on the phone all day long i've got no life yeah and now pete has come to america and it's party time yeah if i can make a living out of this and just have fun and have fun yeah the women your own times dances and everything yeah yeah okay i see yeah yeah yeah so i say i say like chill out peter let's just wait for him the guy shows up i say hello i'm gonna go in if i'm not out in 10 minutes then kick his [ __ ] door in yeah so i go in with the money i've got a large quantity of money on me like ten to fifteen thousand and i go in and i ask can i try the pill first and he says yeah you want me to get you a drink of water i said no i'm just going to chew it and he looks at me a bit funny so i throw it in my mouth i think it was like uh mitsubishi and i chewed it up and i knew what a good pill tasted like from holland you know the beige press yeah 125 milligrams of mdma so i said yeah it's a good one yeah you know you count the bills uh give me the pills and he's just brought out the biggest bag of pills i've ever seen in my life yeah so now this was before i was schooled by the new mexican mafia on police protocol this was when i was really naive and so in my i'm in a twin turbo mazda rx-7 now a fast and furious one yeah i've got a police radar detector on the dashboard i've got fur seats i've got a bose surround sound system i've took a hit of ecstasy i've got all these pills in the car i've got a gun under my [ __ ] seat and um we're going like 150 miles an hour on the freeway going back listening to sasha and when the pill hit me i'll never forget it i've got sasha on i think it was uh renaissance was the cd sasha and john digweed and the fur on the seat just started tickling my head yeah and my eyes are like this i'm rolling just dancing in the sea and every now and then the radar detector's going the [ __ ] is slapping on the car and we're like [ __ ] where's the place where's the place where's the place and then we get past it and we're just [ __ ] speeding again like like innocent lunatics that was the beginning of it but years later you know everyone's got we've got [ __ ] lawyers on standby we've got everybody schooled we've got all the protocol in place we'd never even speak ever ever speak on phones it's pages we use pages to arrange meetings and yeah yeah did you have any police on your on your payroll or anything like that no but we had um a lawyer who had relations let's just say i don't i don't want to yeah you don't need to get too much into it yeah yeah you kind of had something sorted out yeah and if anyone got arrested in our crew they were told call this lawyer right away we will post your bail money right away if you are a first-time offender you will not do prison time they will tell you you are going to go to prison for the rest of your life you need to give us the names of who you're supplying but that's just how they play you yeah call this lawyer right away don't say anything we will get you out and it was tight we had it tight like that yeah yeah and even we we everyone was very bonded as well because when sammy and the bull's crew got arrested 57 they all rolled over sammy the ball isn't he um mafia yeah yeah when his crew got arrested they all rolled over yeah when my crew got arrested only four rolled over out over over a hundred four people only four cooperated yeah which was amazing [ __ ] you know so yeah how did you end up getting dunden in all of this this is the thing i was naive i actually met a woman fall in love and she taught me out of the importation said it was too dangerous she saw the heavy people i was hanging out with so this is so from a thousand pills you ended up getting into importing it and all right so we're in the beginning we're bringing in like thousands through american airports and stuff but some of our smugglers have situations so wild woman now bear in mind wild one who is wild woman wild woman was well wild man's misses mrs permanent misses out of england back then okay even though wildman had a girlfriend on his first visit this stripper like to taser herself that's that's another story that one later um so while woman was classified as number two in the atwood criminal enterprise okay so that's how serious she was wildman was pissed off because he was number three i was gonna say that yeah he was pissed off because the prosecutor put her as number two on the indictment yeah yeah what was the reason for that was she more order of seniority in the in the trafficking because he couldn't traffic anything he was just kind of muscle he was an enforcer yeah and he didn't have to beat people up if people owed money we would have wildman moving with them and if as soon as he moved in with you you were sat on your sofa watching the mexican mafia take your tv set and there's nothing you could do about it you've got like gang bangers and prostitutes cooking crack in your kitchen yeah and it's just 24 7 party central and your whole apartment's getting stripped [ __ ] burr over everybody moved out within days of wildman moving in so if people open money they knew wildman was going to move him because he was unhousable he set fire to houses he blew houses up he was banned from all the hotels at the end of his first visit which only lasted months the striptease woman who liked to taser her vagina they were like bonnie and clyde they were just robbing everywhere they ended up living under a tree with a rambo knife and a baseball bat and wild manner took control of this tempe beach park the homeless people because people were coming and beating up the homeless people and because they were hustling and doing drug stuff and shaking the homeless people down yeah so wildman sweated those people he was like he was like king of the homeless people in tempe beach party protected them and that's where he lived but but they got busted and the judge said wildman was a menace to society and banned him permanently from america all from the whole of usa so i had to send mission impossible style teams of people around the world through canada and mexico to smuggling him back in oh to get him back into the country multiple times i was going to say like based off what you're telling me rest in peace wild man yeah but he sounds like a bit of a liability man both both so like i said i had i had anxiety and social anxiety but under drugs it gave me more confidence but with wild man i felt powerful yeah so if me and like wild man and g-dog and seth walked into like a strip club and the bouncers are looking at these guys like these are going to be a handful and we're getting compton and [ __ ] like that it was a powerful feeling for me as a nerdy skinny business graduate to be in that clique yeah so my ego then is expanding to the size of the grand canyon which sold the seeds of my own downfall yeah eventually yeah eventually yeah yeah but do you feel like had you of um you know you could have still kept you know you could have kept him sweet still carried on doing what he was doing and maybe if you didn't bring him back do you think things would have went all right all right so there's always like you described in your story out and we have to take responsibility for the people we choose to work with word yeah and it's always internal trouble that brings everything down yeah personality clashes and things like that jealousies yeah so my top ecstasy sales person was a guy called skinner and people warned me not to hire him he was he was homeless he was smoking crack living out dumpsters and my thing was you know i give everybody a chance i'll give him i sat down with him and said look here's a hundred pills on credit yeah you could pay me or you can just rip me off but you'll have to leave the state yeah hit me off and he he came back he sold him very fast he's like give me more give me 500. then give me a thousand yeah it got to the point where he met a bird in our scene he had a kidney van they had their own house and everything he was balling yeah wild man comes over and now i'm spending more time with wildman than him oh yeah so he schemed he did a fake uh drug rip with another one of my guys which we saw through and then he did something even more diabolical he did the problem reaction solution on wild woman so wild man was in prison at this time he was on another deportation for being you know he got caught again again coming back yeah a wild woman was on her own in an apartment and a fire bomb came through the window almost set fire to her yeah what like a molotov i don't know what it was made out of a firebomb came through the window okay and then these gangsters showed up that were that were part of skin and skinner was with us so they said a lot where was gonna um he sent us here so that you can come with us to safety and bring all your [ __ ] so no one robs your [ __ ] yeah they underestimate a wild woman yeah i'm from [ __ ] liverpool yeah you're [ __ ] whipped why i look like chop [ __ ] livers i don't need you [ __ ] from adam are they [ __ ] off yeah yeah they [ __ ] off yeah but then wild man i he's like get me out of this prison i'm gonna [ __ ] kill skinner so i got a lawyer to um to get him out he gets back to the uk jumps on a flight right back to mexico canada we bring him back in we're like peter you're not killing skinner we are ecstasy we are rave we're not going to the murder level we go to the murder level we've not just got drug cops on us then we got homicide on us chilled the [ __ ] out but he was just doing meth smoking meth smoking crack constantly staying up i'm going to kill skinner i'm going to kill skin i'm going to kill skin no one could stop him so skinner got so scared he went to the cops and that's how everything started wow yeah he was the only one there was ten that went to the cups but the other nine hardly knew anything some of those were slamming the balls people were trying to get their charges reduced by saying they were double dipping with me okay yeah yeah so skinner then he went to the cops and he left town but we didn't know that so wildman's searching for him and i've got this other guy and he's dead as well rest in peace joey crack so joey crap was like a tall skinny new york italian guy he looked like an afghan hound he's the way he was his face was structured and um whenever he wanted to test drugs he would go with us pull out a syringe put it in his syringe he just [ __ ] got it on his neck yeah he's like yeah that's that's a good drug yeah just tell us he was funny as [ __ ] as well um what type of drugs is he injecting like meth and coke and stuff like that okay yeah yeah so he's um he's he's showing up at skinner's house right this is just after skinner's left yeah he didn't know wild man had found skinner's house and was waiting for skinner to come home to kill him yeah so joey crack walks in a wild man grabs joey crack like he's about to [ __ ] kill him and joey crowd was telling because the italians later on moved joycrack into my cell when i was in jail and hearing all these stories and joey cracks like he'd never seen so many weapons in his life there was like hammers screwdrivers knives pincers [ __ ] golf club [ __ ] everything and everything and a mission man yeah yeah wild man's eyes were like popping out of his head sweat was just [ __ ] dripping off his shin and his ears and everything but thank god he didn't get his hands on skinner because we weren't about that yeah yeah yeah so skinner ends up snitching incorporating the police yeah um and is this when they come and get you well it is right so i've already finished the importation now but they're hot for us now they've sent undercover cops in oh you know we're from out of state all the guys we want a thousand pills how [ __ ] obvious is that yeah so when i read this in the grand jury indictment all the paperwork they were like all right so we can't infiltrate them we've um he [ __ ] he's in this car he just speeds around everywhere we can't [ __ ] get him in his car he moves around he's got so many aliases we can't even put them all in in the indictment so we need a wiretap so the judge authorized the wiretap oh word so what did mr the skinner guy skinner gave him some names and some numbers once you've got one number yeah five people call that then you've got five numbers ten people call those then you've got fifty it's like a spider's web yeah it worked yeah yeah yeah so where did they tap your car your house they ended up actually they did put um a satellite tracking device on my vehicle they put a net bus trojan horse in my computer so they saw where all my money was so i was flying people from england putting money in their names yeah yeah and then they had what was it ten thousand phone calls sure 200 code defendants well yeah well and they had you at the top of the indictment the outward enterprise [ __ ] yeah so how did you um how did they go about bashing you eventually and did you know it was coming so i i kind of knew it was coming that's why i quit a year before but i thought i got away with it i thought they had to catch you with the drugs but they had you on a conspiracy conspiracy so all it takes is someone to say they did a deal with me in the past seven years there's a statute of limitations at seven years yeah they got you so if you had gone clean for seven years they couldn't bring it up correct for a drug offence okay yeah i think that's that's different from england because i think in england they can just they don't have statute of limitations here do they no i don't think they can get you for anything yeah for anything anytime i think if you mention something oh yeah and the case is like they can reopen the case yeah that's messed up yeah but um so yeah so that's happened and then what happened next may 16th 2002 i'm on my computer yeah it's like six was it before you get into that because this is what american was it was there fbi involved or was it no agency investigation yeah multi-agency investigation so what happened was the new mexican mafia guys i was clicked up with they got taken down first ben sammy the bull's crew got taken down and then my crew got taken down so it's all the same resources and you guys are all operating in arizona yeah so it's the feds all the different federal agencies so you've got like um the dea is the main one with drugs yeah you got like border control because of the invitation you know customs and that [ __ ] and then you've got the local police so arizona state police but because um a lot of it our crimes have been out of tempe that's what my nemesis was a detective out of tempe yeah when i read the police paperwork later on literally he was sat next to me in like restaurants and [ __ ] [ __ ] trying to record my conversations and everything he was my nemesis yeah yeah because when this oh i'll get to that in a minute so you've got all these different agencies but it became a arizona state case okay not a federal case okay the feds have got a lot more money so it's a higher class of criminal and there's better conditions yeah the state has got it's all it's rough yeah yeah yeah and um so may 16 2002 when mrs is asleep yeah i'm on the computer like seven in the morning bam bam bam bam tempe police department we've got a warrant open the door now i don't know if it's cops or if it's people posing as cops who found that where live coming to rob me and these times you're not even saying anything not selling but i'm still using because i've not addressed my demons okay yeah jump up look through the people it's blacked out so all right [ __ ] know what's going on go to the window whole building is surrounded so there's all these cars swat team everything there's more and more coming up the outdoor stores so go through to the bedroom so my missus were like what the [ __ ] should we do right we better let them in and then we get halfway through the living room and then oh just it's like ingrained in my conscience it flew off with such force it just slammed against the wall of the [ __ ] doors like this yeah it's like [ __ ] bouncing around and then you see them come in with the visors on you can see their eyes but they're all they've all got they're marched up in it yeah yeah but you can see their eyes and there's like an intensity in their eyes and you know if you [ __ ] up now your life they're going to take you they don't play games over there yeah yeah yeah yeah so we just dropped because they're screaming at us getting on the [ __ ] ground hands above you and all that [ __ ] we dropped and then the nemesis detector just hoists me up by the handcuffs and gets his face in front of my face he's like english we [ __ ] got you we finally got you and i'm yelling at my message then i'm exercising my right to read silent i'm excited about over and over again i'm just yelling that yeah and they like shut the [ __ ] up and i won't shut up so they grab me and then just [ __ ] take me down the stairs and put me in the cop car put you in a car yeah yeah they've niche and misses as well they put her separately yeah yeah because i don't know the extent of the trouble yet yeah so i'm hoping they're gonna not find anything and let me go yeah yeah so we get down to tempe police station and this is the first time you've been arrested in america or had you been arrested for minor things before i got arrested for a minor thing um but while man had done something and we got off with that yeah he took the fall on that one okay yeah yeah yeah but you've already been in an american jail not properly no because i got bailed out of that situation okay the money came fast and got me out because what i wouldn't always like yeah because over here we got the police station then you go to prison yeah over there like you've got like jail which is like you've got like loads of different people in the same cell is it like that in reality it's worse yes worse so in america you've got jail and prison are different yeah so like you said you won remand in a prison yeah is jail okay yeah and prison is where you're sentenced okay yeah so prison is very transitory all kinds of people just come in and out all the time no one's settled yeah and so what happened was um the first thing they did was the tempe police department set up some outdoor like like mobile home processing thing just for our co-defendants that's where they took us first okay so the processing of sir and then they take us to tempe jail and that's when i know we're in [ __ ] because then as i see my co-defendants coming in i realize this is not just me it's bigger than just me yeah so i've got a right-hand man called cody bates he's dead as well he hung himself and um he said he was he he was the one we we rented the house just to put the cash in yeah and he was the only one who knew where it was and the drugs and so so if someone needed to re-up he would take gold to the house get the drugs go to them put the money back in the house come to me and tell me what was happening with everything so i didn't have to touch anything at that point so if they've got him i'm pretty [ __ ] yeah i was about to say when you've seen him there was you thinking all the money oh yeah that was that was gone i was still thinking you know that the accounts that i've flown over people yeah i was looking at that but i didn't know about the virus the net bus trojan horse they put oh yeah yeah software engineers from the department of justice had put that in there um that was in the the police paperwork yeah yeah sure so i said to him i said how did you get arrested he said i was on the car i was doing the rounds on my car you know doing whatever he was doing and um he saw a helicopter and he was like i'm on one side of town i go to the other side of town and think fast [ __ ] that helicopter sound like good fellas that's what he said that's what you said to me just like fellas and um i'm just i'm too scared to go home or anything i'm driving around i'm on the [ __ ] freeway and then all these police motorbikes just surround me and take me off the freeway yeah that's how we got arrested and then the no the next one was a rave dj it was his first day as a republican party fundraiser he got a job when he was trying to get out the lifestyle and they showed up at his job and started a wild woman wow man oh my god theirs was nuts because they were always fighting right that's why they were called the wild ones yeah yeah like she'd [ __ ] stab him and meet at her and then they'd be [ __ ] love you and make up some very toxic you cave like cave people level [ __ ] love love hate relationship yeah uh it scared me at times so they're watching them they're watching them and um i think they went in before the actual raid because they were kicking off and he was scared for their lives and they had to pretend it was about something else or something but on the day of the raid i think they just the swat team just came and uh and took them in so that foot there was like 200 i had about 200 people working for me only over 100 got arrested and that it took a year to do that the first group was about 12 or 13 and they said they were the heads of the criminal enterprise and some of them aren't anything to do with us really he was a bit silly um so we're in the tempe jail co-defendants are coming in and the conditions there are all right this isn't proper jail yet yeah central phoenix the jail is maricopa county jail run by sheriff joe yeah who's a famous sheriff he's considered america's toughest sheriff he's got two tv shows smile you're under arrest an inmate idol admit you know what i think i've read this um i think this is the research i've done on you yeah is this the guy that was like making people wear pink underwear yeah so that's who you ended up being underneath like when you were he's a cold individual his mom died giving birth to him so he's got no maternal empathy bond that was my conclusion when i psychoanalysed it years later so he's he's the architect of a house of horrors 50 million had been paid out in lawsuits a lot of that to people the guards had murdered yeah and there was 50 million pending at the time i came in so national geographic and he was still working they loved him do people love them [ __ ] you know because they hate prisoners they think prisoners lock them up for the key out there at that time perceptions change now but they were like um his thing was um i'm america's toughest sheriff and tough on crime and tent city you know one of his favorite quotes it costs us more to feed our police dogs than our prisoners and our police dogs are working for a living 50 cents or less per day to feed the prisoners food businesses are thrown away because it's expired and gone moldy the the lawyers are suing him got stuff from the kitchen in boxes that said not fit for human consumption and cans from the 1970s wow there was dead rats in the food we gave a rat back to the guards one time they said they would investigate it and they came back later in the day so jail won't get any trouble said it was just a potato wow we only got we barely ate breakfast was moldy bread and green bologna and the evening meal which was called by the time it got to us was a mystery meat slop called red death and that's the one that occasionally had a dead rat mystery meat mystery meat so they wouldn't even tell you what the meat was no what they fought those rumors it was emu and all this [ __ ] and i lost uh in the remand period i lost about two stone yeah yeah [ __ ] man yeah that sounds tough but you said them before then the conditions were all right what was that like so the temperature were only there for a day yeah it was just a holding jail with normal cells air conditions that worked and they fed us and it was reasonable yeah then we get in the van to the [ __ ] horseshoe so the horse used the processing center for the main jail in phoenix the madison street jail so you've got all the new arrestees lined up outside so you've got gangbangers you've got homeless you've got people who've been in fights you've got people have been tasered you've got people coming down off meth and all kinds of drugs and [ __ ] so it's mayhem it's the quite rough and tumble of people waiting to go in so in our van it's half men half women okay the women get off first all the men's heads just [ __ ] turn around immediately because we had some fit birds of us and stuff so then they're all like get your tits out and [ __ ] yeah and i'm watching wild man on the van and his [ __ ] eyebrow goes up i'm like oh [ __ ] man what's going on yeah yeah so while woman gets off and they're giving wild woman [ __ ] and she's tough as [ __ ] but she's like she's just keeping quiet and stupid so it's a stressful situation for her as well so this is the price point are you are you like in the orange jumpsuit no with our civics no because we've not been processed yet okay properly so you didn't have your legs chained or nothing like that um yeah we are chained we are chained in our civvies so we got that and we got [ __ ] ankles and i can't remember whether there was a belly one but definitely that and definitely ankles yeah so this redneck guard is yelling at the men now to get off the out the van he wants everyone down the stairs quickly wildman is at the top of the stairs and he's yelling him to get off the stairs and wildman won't move and he's got this like vikings beard at this point and he just [ __ ] looks at all the guys yelling at the women he goes i'm losing my voice today i wish i could do this deeper he's like um you look disrespecting our [ __ ] women yeah in a minute we're all gonna be inside there together live [ __ ] any of y'all have [ __ ] any of you unless you shut up right i look like this guy's a [ __ ] look like a viking berserker maniac yeah so they all they all shut up they all shut up and that's that's why i hardly got in any situations are you with your protection oh he's a good man to get arrested with yeah yeah there was a point because i was actually before you got into that i was actually on facetime when i was in prison i was in facetime with prisoners from arizona yeah oh no it was alabama alabama alabama yeah yeah so we when i was in jail i kind of linked up with him we did like a facetime he was showing me around the prison yeah and there's like a hundred people in one room yeah and there's like bunk beds bunk there's no nothing separating them enough and there's like one tv everyone goes to watch it together was that how it was like right so the 13 the group of 13 that went through the horseshoe that took about two days and at the end of the horseshoe we've now got our pink underwear black and white stripes and the pink underwear is because of this governor yeah you really humiliate us and we get classified so most of them are classified to minimum security so this is like the a cat b cat c cap thing yeah we've got a different man from from like our supermax and our max it's locked down you don't get [ __ ] you don't get out your cell you don't get to cook food you don't get anything it's like something it's like what did you call it um block the block yeah yeah yeah um so well man's yeah we're all we're getting classified durango was the minimum security which is the warehouse like what you said the dorm okay yeah but me and wildman in the beginning went to medium security yeah because of the prosecutor ended up going up up and up and up over the 26 months security levels so i go in there well man the first group of co-defendants can't be housed together so he sent a one-time sentence another tower so right away then the abs come up to you what was the abc's oh aryan brotherhood okay it's all racially divided yeah over there black gang is the mao mao yeah white gang is the aryan brotherhood yeah mexican american gang is the chicanos okay and the mexican gang of the mexican nationals are the pisces so if you're a mexican american born in america those gangs are at war with the mexicans the actual mexicans yeah yeah the arizona prison system back then they're at war i don't know if it's still the case now but it was a major violence over that if they teamed up they'd be the biggest gang yeah yeah yeah so i'm walking in and these guys have got like hitler one had hitler zeke heiling over a gas chain with jewish people dying inside the gas chamber no way swastikas on the [ __ ] necks faces and everything ss lightning bolts norse runes you know it's celtic uh and all this um all this ab yeah the brand all the so as a white guy they automatically like come to you do you want to join if you're a white guy no you can't join so john you got to murder someone word yeah to be patched in you can't join that's the elite yeah yeah but you come under control of the urian brotherhood if you're a white person yeah and i think that's that's true for a lot of america but every state's got different rules so but it's yeah it's very racially divided in arizona so they take me into a cell yeah what are your charges so i've read this [ __ ] and i've no [ __ ] clue what it means conspiracy criminal enterprise crime syndicate so i don't know if i don't [ __ ] what my [ __ ] charges mean they were not happy with that right away they've got me up against the wall now about to [ __ ] batter me yeah what do you mean you don't know what your [ __ ] charges mean are you a [ __ ] chamomile you're a [ __ ] chomo i didn't even know i'm thinking like you're some undercover didn't know what chama was chomus charm molester oh [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah so in the end they're like show us your charges so i have to show them the charges so they're reading my charges now and they say conspiracy bond 750 thousand dollars cash only and that turned the whole situation into my favor they were like god damn who'd you guys murder you guys the mafia what yeah like no raves cuddle puddles no murders we were [ __ ] mellow and all this [ __ ] but they they were loving that that we had that and then i told them about wild man as well yeah cause i was i was scared i was like look my main guys over in this tower like yeah we're going to check so you wasn't with him straight away separated because um we were in the first group of co-defendants it was do not house together they didn't want us influencing each other because they wanted to break down break us all down to the trial yeah yeah but we ended up with the new mexican mafia elias we formed the united front so all the co-defendants looked to my lawyer to see what was going to happen next with the case that also helped people prevented them from snitching okay but um later on when the italian mafia took over our building from the aryan brotherhood which lasted briefly they moved where would the italian mafia go would they be in the abs so they would be under the control of the abs okay and one of them contacted me recently right and i hadn't seen this guy for 20 [ __ ] years and he was one of their enforcers yeah his name's bruno i've just recently interviewed him three times on my channel i'm interviewing him again yeah i've got to check that one out yeah yeah you guys checked out proper out of goodfellas yeah proper out good accent everything yeah everything and um so the head of the italians he was like 48 laws power play you know taking over the building from the urians so if the leader gets beat up then he loses his spot or if he gets moved he loses his spot so there's got to be so all he's got to do is get beaten up yeah if he gets beaten up he's [ __ ] i've got a brilliant story on that yeah yeah i want to hear that one here that one yeah all right then so the head of the whites i'll call him tyler right and he's been sweating me because he saw my article in the newspaper so he knows i've got drug connections and he knows i've got my mrs visiting me yeah so he's sweating me to bring him in and now i'm telling him i'm slow playing him i'm like yeah i'm talking to her about it blah blah blah no i'm not gonna [ __ ] do it i'm never gonna put my mrs on the line like that because these [ __ ] like i said to you they see their misses get busted with drugs and all they're pissed off about is a lot of the drugs they don't care about yeah so i'm slow playing this guy i'm wondering i'm going to get him off my case while man is in the other side of the jail in a different tower so i'm trying to handle the situation myself but he's the head and i've got to kind of defer to him so i'm thinking i'm hoping something's going to [ __ ] happen and it did [Laughter] what happened right so there was this guy i'm gonna call grave digger and he was a six foot he was over six and a half four thing um cage fighter yeah he had the devil tattooed on his chest as a puppet master yeah and um there was a the guards like to watch the fights yeah they just sit and watch fights sometimes and not stop them yeah some of them so he was we now like these guards who like to watch the fights will come and like [ __ ] let him fight and [Music] word got back like he was just like pinning people down in like wrestling locks and [ __ ] chiseling the [ __ ] out the heads of his eyeballs and pool of blood just expanding across the day room [ __ ] like that he's like a train fighter but well i wouldn't before you get into that quickly yeah what makes him have the the brazenness that to approach the leader of the abs you know i mean isn't he protected by the ones underneath him all right so does the leaders of the ab are in the prison in super max security they're not in the remain jail okay so the leaders of the ab are in the supermax and it's a pyramid structure whereby shot callers run the yards and in the jails whoever's the head of the whites whoever's the toughest or whatever they get to control that but if a shot caller comes in he takes control that whole building okay so the building is set up there's a tower in the middle and a plexiglas bubble called the fishbowl yeah two guards right they're looking down on four day rooms okay all around it separate day room separated by corridors yeah so there's two chairs of cells then right the sliding door the bottom of the the tower are these automatic doors yeah yeah and then there's if you go to there's a day room and at the back there's two chairs of cells yeah that's what they're facing those cells were designed for one man they've got 45 men in there so there's 15 cells they got three people in a cell and sometimes you'd have a fourth on the floor it's all about the cheddar yeah more people you get in more money you can make yeah yeah so um so we're hearing words about this gravedigger right now the head of the blacks in our day room was an extremely tough guy i've called him knockout in some stories i call him um smackdown in other stories because i have to change names for legal reasons yeah you can't really put him yeah yeah so he's undefeated he's never lost in the fight never lost never lost he's a pro he's a pro boxer and um he's sweating members of all of the races for commissary and that's that is canteen for me like the uk people twenty dollars a week you can spend yeah i couldn't eat the [ __ ] red death i couldn't eat the breakfast yeah so a meal for me is a snickers bar or a packet of peanuts and i'm rationing it like one you know peanuts and then snickers bar and that's my day that's all i've got good so he's coming in marcel and he sweated me as well you know blah blah blah kind of give us a snickers bar i'm like well if i give you a snickers bar i'm [ __ ] gonna go hungry blah blah blah so i was fending him off a bit but he did sweat a lot of people and get stuff out of him yeah so he made me feel uncomfortable but he was a good fight he was good to watch so um what happened was um the head of the whites wasn't really doing anything about him oh so he was just moving to sort of this guy from if our head of the whites called let's call him uh smackdown yeah if our head of the whites called smackdown out smackdown would [ __ ] him yeah he would be rolled up if he if the head of white loses his fight he's rolled up yeah which means you get your mattress all your [ __ ] all your property in your mattress you roll it up and you're gone you got you've got a knock on the sliding door and you are gone yeah because i've seen like 60 days in jail and like when people are moving they get their mattress and roll up yeah the guards say roll up roll up and it's embarrassing everyone's watching you is all like everyone's watching you it's the walk of shame yeah yeah so the cage fighter ends up in our day room yeah so now tyler's got main muscle yeah so he completely changes okay he's a badass now that's all he thinks yeah so he thinks so we're all at breakfast and um he says something tyler calls out smackdown oh he calls him out because he thinks he's got this muscle now yeah yeah yeah yeah and um smackdown i'm trying to i wrote it down right and sent sense of a girl from the exact dialogue that i remember she even though he broke up she sent me all the letters years later that's all i got in the book hard time i'm gonna try and remember it off uh what what they said roughly so he's like smackdown's like um who who who you disrespecting you know ain't no white boy gonna [ __ ] talk to me like a [ __ ] [ __ ] and um get in that [ __ ] cell because to get to the top tier there's like a metal grid stairs yeah and the cell under the metal good stairs is is obscured a bit from the guard tower yeah so if people are going to fight the guys under the stairs they put all the property under the [ __ ] match under the bunks and people just fight and then the beef squashed usually yeah so um he smackdown goes in the cell doesn't he awaits so smackdown goes in a cell trying to fight the now head of the carter yeah yeah tyler tyler and tyler goes in and [ __ ] gets his ass beat fast and he runs out of it so he runs out of the cell so fast he runs into the metal grid stairs and bangs his head no way yeah yeah and then he sits back down at the woods table the whites table yeah and um but they just all disappointed in they're looking at him like and then [ __ ] smackdown's like what the [ __ ] was that get your ass back in this [ __ ] cell [ __ ] punk ass [ __ ] the worst thing you could call anyone is a pawn cast [ __ ] yeah it's mandatory you have to fight if they call you that being called a [ __ ] is kind of like being called a snitch over here like yeah yeah it's not it's not being called a snitch or something like that it's just being called a [ __ ] basically yeah yeah so that's the worst thing you could say is you you punk ass [ __ ] you have to fight so he's at the door calling him a punk ass [ __ ] and everything and then um the woods are looking at at um he's like i already fought yeah i already fought so he's not even trying to get back in not even trying to get back in yeah and then grave the guy who hasn't said anything just [ __ ] stands up and he's like six foot [ __ ] seven he falls out like that and he just looks down and he's like you you're [ __ ] getting there right now you're gonna have to [ __ ] deal with me and he's like when he just goes right back and he gets beat the shout out again he's gone so then he's rolled up and then [ __ ] the lunatics the head of the white stun so the other guy that put it on tyler he's now the head of the whites yeah yeah yeah that's crazy um um what's your spot they're calling gravediggers now the head of the whites yeah so then he orchestrates a race riot because he was just he didn't give a [ __ ] usually they don't want the violence to escalate to that level because everyone gets locked down it stops the drugs but he didn't give a [ __ ] so what happened was smackdown was still bullying people of all races for food and the heads of all of the races except for the blacks had a meeting so you've got the whites head you've got the mexicans head you've got the mexican-americans head and they said if they sent one torpedo the torpedo would lose the fight and smackdown would claim his right to remain so we're all going to send the torpedo each yeah and have backup outside yeah so one of my co-defendants ended up in the mix his name was henry and he was a cowboy from nebraska yeah then there was diablo was the mexican enforcer yeah and then there was the chicano in force i can't remember what his name was so they waited until the blacks were downstairs at the table but smackdown was in his cell oh slipping by himself yeah so free torpedoes go in they've got three more torpedoes on the upper tier in case for backup and people downstairs like watching but the blacks have just got getting over the business because they don't know what's about to kick off yeah so i was on i think i was on the phone with my uh girlfriend at the time and they all they slipped in and you just heard them you know the usual noises you get used to the sounds of those noises yeah yeah you know when it breaks up in itself yeah and then oh this gets crazy and then um there was a a black guy who was massive he was like he was like a bowling ball yeah and he [ __ ] he got up the stairs right but then the torpedoes on the upper tier pushed him down and there's like there's like a battle on the stairs right so many people on the stairs fighting and then this the bowling ball guy just [ __ ] just comes down and knocks everybody out people were picking up mops and brooms and doing ninja moves and everything it just went crazy everyone started fighting i was just on the phone with my bird and i'm looking at the [ __ ] the fish bubble and there was two there was a particularly tough guard on duty that day usually they press a button and like nine of them [ __ ] run out yeah yeah he just puts on a spacesuit doesn't he he's got like a fire extinguisher sized canister of spray of chemical spray and he's coming down the stairs um oh there's like a little winding stairs at the bubble i'm trying to get up the stairs to the upper tier because i'm in an upper tier cell the battle is raging on the stairs and um he just comes in then the door slides he comes in on his own just sprays the whole [ __ ] room and then people start to disperse so i'm able to get up into myself and i've got an old timer with me actually because all the snot's dripping out of me and my eyes are all streaming and [ __ ] and the old timer he said you wet a towel and you wrap it around your head and you just blink over and over and over again to get the chemical [ __ ] out your eyes so that's what i did now in the cell with um smackdown cell i'd like to learn what had happened he he was such a proficient fighter so my co-defendant henry had come up behind him and put him in a chokehold yeah he had [ __ ] just sandwiched him against the wall put his head forward flipped his head back and broke henry's nose broke his nose instantly yeah the other two were doing body blows but they managed to get out before the cell was locked yeah so now you've just got henry and smackdown in the cell fighting and the guards are just opening up with the chemical spray yeah so the whole cell is just a [ __ ] cloud of chemical spray and they're fighting blind yeah yeah in the end they stopped fighting and henry came out and it's the same as what you told me with the nose yeah you couldn't see that so henry's got a very polite cowboy accent and he goes um before you put the handcuffs on do you mind if i fix my nose and he just [ __ ] crunches the [ __ ] nose yeah and then smackdown comes out and he looks completely uninjured [Laughter] and then the cat they're taking him out he's all you [ __ ] doing that three-on-one [ __ ] i'm gonna get all y'all when i get out locked down yeah yeah yo that's nuts man yeah that's crazy bro yeah he was a good fighter yeah he didn't come back to our building though no but he was probably a legend when he left that he was alleged yeah totally yeah yeah um do you know what i want to know um what i think you've kind of briefly gone over the food and everything like this [ __ ] um what was the lock down i was like well could you describe a typical day other than the fighting and that yeah can you describe a typical day in uh an american prison yeah maybe medium well the security was okay so in towers jail medium security then so on the day room you've got a little [ __ ] old tv bolted to the wall that burley works people are fiddling with it and [ __ ] to try and keep it working yeah you've got octagonal silver tables bolted to the floor i think there's four of them yeah so each race has their own table yeah and then you got on this tv the leaders the heads of each gang i've gotta agree on what hours the whites get to watch it what hours the mexicans get to watch it and because they've got the spanish speaking programs okay well there was one program that everyone came out for and that was caliente and caliente is just like um it's like a mexican like they're on the beaches and all the senoritas are dancing in the bikinis and [ __ ] everyone didn't mind that one all these [ __ ] skinheads who said they were you know racist with hitler on him and [ __ ] all coming out watching caliente and um [Music] so they're watching the tv it was the sea was absolutely [ __ ] like these old westerns like bonanza and stuff like that there was nothing or they're playing games um what was that game they always played the cards game that they gambled over i can't remember what was called because i never got into it i got into the chess yeah so the russian guy he was like he was really good at chess so me and him buddy dog and a lot of my time was spent with him yeah and one of my racial mistakes in the beginning was i didn't understand everything and i'm working out with sniper and sniper's a chicano he's a mexican-american victoria tempe gang member i don't know whether it was gravedigger or tyler um yeah but they're like i'm working out with sniper and they're like hey wood we want a word with you wood and i'm like what's up and um come in this cell and look it's like he's like yeah go talk to your people so i go in the cell and they're like look around the day room wood i look around the day room do you see any white boys working out with the other races yeah i'm like nope like you got a lot to learn would finish your workout yeah so that was last time i was working out with [ __ ] sniper okay yeah yeah but um the best time we had it in the jail was when the italian mafia took over yeah and the head of the italian mafia in the building um it was amazing man he corrupted the guards so much i mean like he's getting all types of things he was out at night when we were all locked down smoking with the guards giving them orders yeah his girlfriend was coming as a lawyer giving him blow jobs in the legal visit yeah but sadly um bruno updated me on what happened to him his name is marco in hard time that's the name we used for him and he's in supermax now for a double homicide conspiracy what in joe a supermax prison in arizona but was a double homicide in joe was that outside outside okay yeah before we finish off on your prison experience because i got a few more questions to ask on on your prison yeah i wanted to ask um what did you get man what sentence did you get all right so we paid a lot 100 grand yeah and we got this was the new mexican mafia lawyer we did the united front so they had a weak case then they didn't have people rolling over left and right they had no uh drugs against me they only had me talking about personal use on the phone so we managed to get it down to nine and a half years and as a first-time non-violent drug offender i only had to serve six six years because he was a loophole liar and that was the loophole he found me because i was a uk citizen so first time non-violent drug offender that was a uk citizen i only had to serve six of my nine and a half and the nemesis detective when we went to my sentencing hearing my parents have flown five thousand miles to come to it and the detective kicked off and it was almost cancelled oh because when they um clarified that i only had to do six yeah it was almost cancelled yeah i [ __ ] [ __ ] myself because i've been fighting my case for 26 months in that hell hole in the hellhole jail yeah whoa yeah yeah 26 months yeah would you would you um like how long was your trial you don't go to toronto arizona no if i went to trial i would have got 200 years sure yeah they made it clear and the guy before me he refused a 15-year plea bargain they gave him 200. so you took a plea bargain everyone takes playback 98 percent take play baggage in arizona and that's not snitching a plea bargain is just you get up in front of the judge you say you did it send me to prison and that's what happened yeah yeah yeah yeah that's basically over here as well same thing um so you took your plea barg over there because over here we got so a standard sentence over here yeah you do half of it yeah yeah and then what's called the eds sentence is like if the crime was more violent you do two thirds out of it like in america so in america and if you do like a murder you do all of it all day yeah so in america it's the standard like two-thirds no no because every single state is like a different country and as it holds laws and has its own sentencing and it has its own prison and legal culture so if you compare one state with what's say like you can put my story with us someone who's been in prison in florida for example yeah now one of my co-defendants one of my friends who's a dj happens to have been in prison in florida and in arizona yeah and he said like you know yeah all the racial stuff in arizona it doesn't apply to florida it was completely different okay yeah things are just different in different places every state is completely different and then the fed is completely different as well yeah so the federal pr the bureau of prisons for the feds is all across the all the states but that's the us federal government yeah it's not the states yeah so that's a whole different system so you could have someone in the feds in arizona but you can't compare that to this in the state in arizona okay yeah okay yeah i guess feds is cleaner they got a lot more money okay yeah and it's a different class of criminal whereas the state is all the local criminals yeah i get that what i wanted to know was do people actually get raped over there yeah you have to go to a rape class to get taught how not to get raped is it yeah it's like defense or something no it's under the prison rape elimination act it is mandatory now that all the prisoners have to go to the rape class yeah so basically you get a slip under your door saying the time and the date of the rape class okay and when i had no idea about it the prisoners are all joking what are they going to teach us to [ __ ] rape each other they're going to use rape kits and all that kind of [ __ ] and then [ __ ] we get to um the rape class and there's like a video yeah so there's predators in the day room young people coming in the hungry and then the predators are like you want some food right yeah grooming them like and then hours later like right you gotta pay for the food now are you gonna get off oh you're gonna get stabbed you pay with your ass how are you gonna pay how am i gonna pay well go in that cell and do what he says and once they do that there's no coming back so the terminology in america is getting turned out or becoming a prison punk and then they rented out as prison prostitutes and the conclusion of the rape class was to stop rape you got to report it and everyone just laughed the [ __ ] asses off because no yeah because like over here if you're raping people you're going to become a victim it's a different culture isn't it totally okay so you've got people getting lifeed off who run meth and they got [ __ ] i'll i'll try and remember what t-bone told me back in the day in the walls this was in in the 70s and the 80s in in florence prison arizona and he said there was a smell on the run from so many dudes getting raped t-bomb was a six-and-a-half-foot black guy former marine entire body covered in scars horseshoe-sized scars from all of his fights he was amazing and he was he was interfering and stopping people from getting raped and he's risking himself for people who didn't even know he said back when he first came into prison there was a smell on the run from so many dudes being raped and he said little white boys were getting kissed like they were women wow that's what he said and he said um even worse they were sticking things inside them like broomstick handles and bottles shampoo bottles and shanks and all it's one of my blogs actually so one of the things about my story is because i started blogging i mean like you started documenting in video format oh wait to get i'm gonna get onto that in a second i started blogging it in in written form so all my story most of it is actually time stamped online people could go back and read it what happened what i wrote what happened because it was all getting put online as it happened and i i encourage everyone john's jail journal yeah i encourage everyone to go and look at that so that's what i was going to get onto you next when i came to the end of my sentence i started blogging it but on my smartphone yeah obviously you did the same but years earlier there wasn't phones or nothing like that you was writing everything down in a journal that's what i was like this guy is my kindred spirit when you were telling me all that stuff last night and i was [ __ ] done like this is like yeah wow yeah yeah it's crazy man isn't it but um how did you come about doing that you took us a bit through that and then how that kind of got you to where you are now yeah yeah you do what i do you speak to prisoners all right about 10 minutes all right so um like i said i was fighting my case and the prosecutor was trying to break me down psychologically yeah so a year in my lawyer he's like we're going to have a bail hearing 750 thousand maybe you can fight your case outside i was all excited girlfriend's excited prosecutor sabotages the hearing judge doubles my bale to 1.5 million so then i was moved from medium security to maximum security yeah so in maximus course he's just pure lockdown and um for an hour a day or so so in in the day room um they would let us they would let us go into the day room for for a few hours um but like no sunlight okay so i went between max and supermax i went a year and a half about any sunlight sure yeah yeah so in the beginning um it was cockroach infested in max and then later on it was cockroach obviously fested and i just started writing home about these things and i said so god how'd you guys get away with dead rats in the food roaches all over us at night guards murdering mentally ill prisoners and the guard said the world has no idea what's going on in here and the public doesn't give a [ __ ] about prisoners 100 so something snapped in my head [ __ ] right i'll [ __ ] show you who cares about prisoners yeah a little pencil sharpened on the door i started to write it all down now in maximum security visitation i can't pass this and i can't put in the mail because they can open your mail and read it yeah but i hid it in things i could release some ant fruit of property visitation officer yeah so i get i get this slip it's called a tank order get permission to release property old books letters legal paperwork i hid it in that yeah so i'm doing the penguin shuffle up to visitation holding all my property the visitation officer takes my property puts it on his table and then i go into a cubicle plexiglas window i'm handcuffed to a [ __ ] desk and i've got the other hand on the phone and my aunt's be my auntie's behind the plexiglas screen yeah like clary styling hannibal like you know sounds like that kind of kind of like um what we would call closed visit in england [Music] so that's standard in max and then at the end of the visit my aunt took the stuff with her typed it up emailed it to my family in witness and they put online as john's jail journal j.o.n so they wouldn't be associated with me yeah yeah that's how it began wow so you come out now um before we just get into the to the like how this kind of propelled you to to do what you're doing now um what was your final days in prison like oh man we're only on year two right now yeah there's four years it's four years we've got supermax i did three years in supermax because the prosecutor a final farewell to me was she accidentally put my sentence down as 34 years instead of nine sure so i was fast tracked to supermax which is a [ __ ] not the stories i've got about [ __ ] slingers and things like that from supermax [ __ ] probably hopefully one day we can like you can come in and yeah get into way more detail so then i go to the department of corrections yeah multiple prisoners and what media must start out in then minimum then i'm in deportation feds then i'm on connor back from l.a back to because of gatwick or heathrow there's actually video of me on the channel um all stumbled out at the airport and i'm looking [ __ ] crazy oh so they deported you back to england yeah connor i'm banned for life from america for life yeah [ __ ] man so you can't even name for work or nothing like that can't go there another i'd have to finish my sentence and they'd give me a new sentence oh [ __ ] man yeah that's so crazy so so i got out then in december 2007 and my dad had started the channel that year yeah but we only posted a little video every now and then how to survive sheriff joe paul's jail things like that so it was the first prison blog and the first prison youtube channel yeah yeah yeah yeah but the the podcasting didn't really start until about four or five years ago properly because that was kind of a new thing podcast after i went under true journey i was inspired by brian and lawrence thank you guys and i wanted to get other people's stories out it had all been my story and all these good people helped me rise up so i felt it was my duty to get over karmically to help guys who got out of prison get their stories out because in prison a community formed around the blog right the different characters was writing about and there was jealousies and and camaraderie and all the usual you know uh play of human nature there but what i found what i learned was all of them have got good and bad including me including you in us and if you focus on the good in people it helps it to come out 100 so how people dissed over people about their negative stuff i'd be like forget about that let's just focus on the goal and raise each other up collaborate yeah yeah i truly appreciate what you're doing you know i know you're in spin you're an inspiration for loads um hopefully we can get you back on totally man i'd love it yeah to justify because of time we haven't been able to get into a full prison story but we'll get you back on and then we'll get fully into you because i know you've got loads to say i've got loads to arcs um yeah um quickly though because what i always ask is do you have any advice um to younger people that may be getting himself into trouble it's hard isn't it because you're invincible you're on drugs you're the man it's the fast cash you pull in the birds you think this is it's gonna last forever but it doesn't when your mom has to fly 5000 miles to come and visit you and she's been waiting outside with sniffer dogs on her ass and she's [ __ ] an old lady and she's coming in and you see her bent over in the visitation room and you've [ __ ] done that to her and it breaks your [ __ ] heart yeah that's what you're gonna have to [ __ ] deal with because that's just one of the many consequences and it makes me sick to my stomach still about my mom through i can see that yeah you know you're a genuine guy bro thank you um can't wait to see you again everyone everyone yo check out sean up with story go and get his book um he's got an amazing story we've just we've just like got to show the book hard times the trilogy that's the middle section party time hard time prison time we've just touched the surface on this story we're just short for time so we'll get another episode out and we'll get all the way into his prison story thank you bro for coming down yeah so i was on a prison shake then handshake is that then that and then the bumping

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Length: 88min 41sec (5321 seconds)

Published: Sun May 01 2022