UK Coke Trafficker In Ecuador Prison Part 1: Pieter Tritton aka "Posh Pete" | True Crime Podcast 135

many of you have sent requests in to have peter home right quite a few of you almost three million to be precise i've seen his video on vice and i will put the link to that video in the description box which is how i became a let's just say snow trafficker because it's the first five minutes of the video and there are certain rules that youtube have put on us for the first five minutes of the video yes alright so okay um i've read a lot of prison stories and books and i've got to say that peter's story the inhumane treatment he went through in ecuador just i was absolutely sickened um what i found also sad was how it was like the british authorities kind of wanted him to die out there i mean the extremity extremity of the punishment was disproportionate to peter who's a great guy he's full of positive vibes everything i've seen him do online very articulate and i'm sure he's going to lay this down in detail this is um probably one of the first long-form accounts he's given on one of the bigger channels so i'm sure he's going to lay his story down in detail and take us on that journey also a shout out to david macmillan he's our most reoccurring podcast guest and he recently interviewed peter on his channel i will put that link in the description box please go down and support david subscribe to his channel and um i think in addition to what you're watching today if you want to you know watch the device and watch the stuff that david did it's uh fits in nicely dovetails nicely all right thanks for coming on man everybody sean good to meet you good to meet you too yeah where's your accent from accent uh well i'm from gloucestershire yeah but uh yeah yeah it is it's beautiful up there isn't it it's very nice but um yeah my mum's scottish my dad's local but the accent i suppose there's somewhere in between yeah so you strike me as an academic chap like myself you know people say oh he thinks he's a gangster i've never ever claimed to be a gangster i'm a business nerd who watched too many matthew movies i've got some gangsteritis and for and i was putting myself in extremely dangerous situations do you have any parallels in your story yeah somebody said i remember when i was growing up uh sneaking downstairs i think in fact it was my mum's parents house up in scotland sneaking down the stairs at night to watch the black and white tv at the grandparents house uh you know charlie chan gangster type films and yeah i was i always preferred the gangster side to the cop side that's for sure yeah so i was definitely the gangster in the cops and robbers games yeah i grew up on like miami vice not saying that i never claimed to be like yourself not a gangster at all so how did you do in school then pretty well yeah i did uh well i went to school in temporary uh so william romney so big shout out to all of those students at temporary school uh gained 14 gcse's all a's and b's uh went to siren chester deer park sixth from college so big shout out to those guys as well which subjects did you have an aptitude for um i've always loved archaeology so i i went on to do archaeology uh secondary college and university as well yeah in cardiff um but yeah archaeology geography biology we've got all of those a level and english actually english literature and child in the future what caused you if you imagine like i did i you know you've got all the time in the world to look back on your life in prison when you reflect on things you're kind of like if i made this choice in that choice and you go back years and years and years and years yeah definitely was the stuff that you saw early on warning signs that perhaps you didn't heed that put you on that path yep what were they uh i mean i got involved with the drug scene of about drugs and the illegal party scene at a very young age what year was that then 88 90. summer of love yeah i mean i've you know i was only 12 13 but i had two older stepbrothers one a year older than the other like three or four years older and they were both involved in organizing the legal parties and djing at them and all this sort of stuff so i'd been the younger tagged along yeah and obviously got involved in drugs and drug dealing so you were taking drugs at age 12 yeah started smoking weed probably younger than that i think uh and yeah as they all say gateway drug well it maybe is maybe it isn't i don't know but uh yeah progress to pills and lsd and stuff like that so i had a bit of turmoil inside me when i was on the drugs you know the anxiety went away it was the life and soul of the party i can imagine did you were you masking something did you have some kind of anxiety or home life wasn't great so yeah i suppose to some extent what do you mean by that home life wasn't great uh my member is an alcoholic which didn't help matters um so yeah i suppose it was quite tough growing up um not a great deal of money at home so i think that was one reason i got involved in in the drug dealings just to offset course and be able to party like the other guys that sort of starring was your mom and alcoholic then when she had you or was that i don't think so what are you trying to say sure i'm just trying to break down how long you had to live with a person who was an alcoholic yeah i think that came a little bit later okay anyway because that's gotta be stressful for a kid yeah it was yeah and i have some friends and and they've been in similar situations and parents have died prematurely because yeah my mom is is dead now she died i was incarcerated in ecuador yeah which is traumatic to say the least i can imagine yeah all right so describe then what's it like going to a rave in the summer of love at age 12 i can't really remember but i mean i remember the first one that i ever went to was actually in my hometown of stroud in an old uh it was the old great mills uh like diy center that shut down yeah and it's now the post office sorting center at salmon springs yeah and i think i was probably a little bit probably about 15 by that point 14 15. and um mickey finn played there turned up in the morning and played a set which is quite cool so yeah it was good experience it was all a bit bewildering i suppose to a certain extent being that young and the music wasn't divided was it it was called acid house it was actually how it was rave it was it was yeah that's what was that was the great thing about it was one music it wasn't it was one or the rest of it did any attraction any track stand out to you like for me i always remember um guru josh i'm really bad with names of people tracks and stuff like that i'm terrible but i am one of my all time favorites was like you know i feel loved yeah on the summer trek yeah yeah that higher next c in the morning is just yeah i still love that track yeah yeah that's a good one so you're quite savvy then for the drug market at a young age yeah and you said you graduated into dealing from using was that just like hooking up your friends in the beginning yeah yeah i think that's how it always starts uh i mean initially it was with weed and hash i mean it was mainly hash back in the day wasn't it you know yeah flat press pollens uh squidgy black all that sort of stuff yeah red seal gold sim and um yeah started dealing hash smoking it as well and then the pills and stuff were mainly at the weekends of the parties yeah because obviously i'm still at school um and then lsd came on a bit later on because obviously that's a lot more you know a lot stronger drug so you had a good enough brain on you to scramble but still managed to buckle down and get all your qualifications in fact i remember the uh the week of the gcses i think it was about two weeks before that i sat the gcse's uh castle morton took place you know i think i think everybody's heard it with the cast more than three five it went on for a week i was there for about five days came back didn't sleep for a week yeah i know slept for a week after coming back and then did my gcses yeah so yeah i remember doing something like that anyway doing my business studies exams on monday morning after raving all weekend we're just like klf and all these beeps and be going off in my brain i'm sat there doing these essays how old are you now so i i am 52 52 yeah don't look it airplay thank you very much all right so did you have any brushes with the law at that age um yeah yeah i thought i'd actually forgot about that but my yeah my first brush for the law or it should have been a warning sign was at a very young age of uh six yeah i remember i actually stole i stole a friend's mother's gold jewelry yeah and hid it at home uh i can't even remember the reason there and obviously they they they clocked on and the local police officer was called uh pc flinders his motorbike cop turned up big mustache glasses sat me down in the kitchen now peter when you grow up if you get to get things straight now you're gonna end up in draw and go to prison i was in tears and uh yeah that talk obviously didn't work what was the next scrape uh next one was quite some time after was at uh sixth from college in cyrus just to go to court dealing drugs and asked to leave the college but they allowed me to sit the a-level exams yeah which was great good of them uh so you know got my a levels and went on to university at cardiff and then it was archaeology yeah archaeologically uh so the next scrape after that would have been when i got arrested at the age of uh about 23. uh in 2024 i would have been 23 and what was that in this country yeah in britain uh in may of 2000 so run down what led up to the arrest so yeah so uh basically when i got arrested at six film college i stopped dealing all together because i thought well you know i've gotta get the live sword back on track yeah really i wanted to do medicine but didn't have the financial backing so i went into well decided to read archaeology which it did dropped out halfway through uh because of one thing and another personal issues and too much drug dealing uh had become involved in the card i've seen by that point with people like kerius matthews from catatonia partying with them super furries just all that sort of set you know the media set down there yeah howard marks was back out by that point so i met him a few times uh so dealing to a lot of people in cardiff not them but uh you know dealers within cardiff as well as students and decided to move to bristol where my girlfriend at the time was studying and the empire spreads out into bristol as well my home area so i'm now covering quite a large area of england and then decided to branch out into scotland so i made some contacts up there um you know and it just escalates very rapidly yeah and before i knew it i'm you know from going starting with half an ounce of cocaine in cardiff which was the first time i dealt with coke it'd be mainly pills and amphetamines and hash and stuff before uh yeah from going from digging half an hour to coke you know to a friend down there up to dealing 10 keys of coke a week how do you source that much quantity through context well through contacts in my home area who had contacts in london so it was directly from london at that time without naming any names then what's the route is it south america mainland europe and then bounces over to london no at that point uh we were involved with some people that bring it they were bringing it in by yacht through the caribbean and in through uh the south coast yeah they were actually arrested uh the first uh yeah the first burst i think happened in 1998 yeah and i think that's when the police started became aware of myself and the guy that i was working with because we were actually waiting at marble arch uh the night that these guys got busted and one of them was on the way to us to drop off like three or four keys of coke didn't make it and it was on the news the following day that he'd been busted with about 30 or 40 keys of coke in the boot the car on the way to meet us stopped about half a mile short and that led to them seizing 430 kilos in london and 600 of the boat in kerry so that was a pretty big burst and uh i i know that the guy we knew was he was on remand for about five or six years of a category a and got sentenced uh god in 2002 2003 no 202 and by that point i'd been arrested in gloucestershire in 2000 and was in pakistan when i got sentenced yeah so yeah i think that was all what led to my first arrest so now with some of the colombian cartels then if a shipment gets busted depending upon your relationship with them they see the newspaper clippings they see the headline news they know you're not trying to just welch on the money and they may give you a pass when that much gets taken does the people who have signed for it do they get a pass depends on the circumstances doesn't it i mean i think these guys have funded it i mean that you know they've been doing it for a while and i think they were funding it themselves by that point okay i mean that you know they i mean i know one of them i'm not going to name a name but i know he's worth about two 200 million wow so you know so it's just a cost of doing business with him yeah so i mean i i think they just took the hit he was on the run for years after went to cyprus uh and was brought back from spain eventually when they changed the extradition law in cyprus yeah so when you get arrested in my case it took months to get all my legal discovery and i read that there was 10 um police informants that had you know given this information did you get your legal discovery and trace back actually how they caught you what when i got arrested in britain yeah this first time yeah um i mean it was difficult because i mean there were informants involved but they you know they api what's it called public pii p public community order whether protected their names yeah so we never really worked out who it was the first time but the second time i knew exactly who it was when i got arrested in ecuador because we were getting information from someone in the police about the ongoing operation into us um yeah so we knew exactly who it was and he knows who he is and i mean it wasn't just one person but the key informant was actually named at bristol crown court yeah was that person close to you yeah he was because um when we set up the the i mean this is going forward in time a little bit now yeah yeah uh when we set up the organization i suppose you could call it our little group to start importing cocaine there was me a colombian and a chilean and uh so there was the three of us as partners and it was the columbia who became the informant yeah yeah so yeah he's pretty close we're gonna get to that then all right and so you're going in prison for your first time in your mid-twenties what's that like for you is it a shock that was pretty scary i mean i was a long-haired hippie raver at that point i think there's a photograph of me coming out of uh magistrates my head down long hair trying to cover my face with all that scenario would be great if we could stick that in what time are we five five two yeah yeah this is out there somewhere um yeah i mean it was it was pretty nerve-wracking they had me potential category because they'd link me to the adams in london uh you know the crime family islington direction which i denied obviously generously um so yeah if you're watching terry and all that look um so yeah they were trying to you know throw a whole lot of [ __ ] on me that wasn't really you know what it was i mean i got caught with 5 000 pills and the load of weed few kilos of amphetamine some coke sort of shotgun uh stuff like that so they put me on a potential account uh thing at gloucester prison which was pretty tough because it being a potential a category meant that i couldn't talk to any other inmates they would close the entire wing down bring me out on my own just to go and get my dinner so two screws in front two behind i was on the book which means that they would write down any movements if i came out of the cell i'd be taken from a to b and they would all be noted down what time and where i was going and everything basically totally invasive they would come in to myself almost daily smash it to pieces yeah just search for everything trample all over my photographs family photographs on the floor trump all over it i mean i got strip searched by female officers in a cell which is like against the law you know they're just trying to you know humiliate you yeah and also all my phone calls recorded all my letters opened a photocopy sent to the police half which is never received anyway um visits would be in a in the visit room but quite often behind class or if not i'd have the the esso sat on the table listening to the entire conversation yeah very invasive and that went on for about a year didn't get sentenced for uh i was on remand nearly two years so i was i i remember one of the officers saying i was the longest remained prisoner they that they'd had at gloucester for 15 years wow i mean that prison is now closed all right so in arizona in arizona if you get busted with drugs as i did it's non-dangerous so they get into it if you get busted with drugs as i did it's non-dangerous but if you get busted yeah in arizona if you get busted with a weapon sign off shotgun for example then you're in the dangerous category yeah and i know in the beginning they throw all this mud at you to see what's going to stick did that weapons charge stick and did it compound your trouble no but luckily it was broken down into its component parts so i said oh i mean i was dealing in antiques at the time so i said no i bought it is it wise it was deactivated shotgun as a trophy piece and you know tried to black it off but yeah i don't think they really accepted that um so i ended up yeah i got five years that first time for that look first day peace loving hippie raver going in cate which is if you're watching america's supermax how are the prisoners receiving you because they're pretty tough guys out there right in england yeah first day how did they receive you i mean no one was allowed to talk to me okay so i was literally put behind the door for 24 hours a day and no one was allowed any contact with me yeah i mean not even through the door what was your first interaction with the prisoners then uh that was okay i mean yeah i had quite a lot of respect for them to be honest yeah because of who i was involved with and what i was doing yeah so you got so you got um you say you got more of an easy ride because of those connections then don't think so no because i ended up in pakistan okay so no all right look we're going to go over this slowly then all right so you go to supermax and easy right from here who do you mean the prisoners prison population oh for the prisoners yeah but i mean not from the the uh establishment definitely not because i mean i was supposed to go from being in a category prison when i got sentenced to a category c prison in in uh ilf chippenham and instead of that i got a sentence sent to on the isle of wight which is that time you know high security prison so i know the horror stories about the ecuadorian prison and the guards and the prisoners are you saying that you have horror stories about the british guards they did things to you out there not not particularly so it's just the fact that they clashed you at such a high level and you don't get many privileges at those levels yeah it was just very invasive the way that they uh that i was treated initially yeah so all the strip searches and everything all right so what was the transportation like to parkhurst seven hours in the sweat box like the little uh i can't about the prison transport van yeah and they're supposed to take you out every four hours i think for to use the toilet or just a break but they left us in there seven hours even on the ferry are you sardined and um chained up to people yeah no no because these are individual cubicles yeah and it wasn't when i went anyway and uh i remember coming out getting out of here percocet and having my uh photograph taken for the id and literally my eyes were going in different directions could you see out the van as it's going along the road uh a little bit that always used to talk menu as well because you're going past places that you've been to or new yeah i've had that your heart's like i was there in the real world when i had a life yeah not much fun and um seven hours then so what happens if you got to take a piss yeah but that was it i mean i i don't know luckily i didn't he's gonna hold on yeah you'd be alive yeah all right so describe going into podcast what's that like that was pretty nerve-wracking because uh i mean at that time it was you know viewed as one of the highest security presence in britain and obviously you know if you've got pretty serious people in there doing long long sentences maybe never getting out any big names not i can remember um like i said i'm pretty bad with names yeah but i mean they they have what they call the dolls house in parkers which is a prison within their prison which is when it used to be you know used for spies uh terrorists yeah stuff like that and i remember my cell window looked out over the doll's house yeah i think there was only about 30 prisoners in there at the time in that unit really but it's quite ominous and you know all the walls with the rollers on the top and yeah loads of racing wow you know you're never going to get out there i think there's been one escape out there does it cross your mind to escape oh every day whenever you're in prison every that's all i do when i whenever i used to be in prison i say you know you spend every day thinking about how to escape at least for one hour a day and we're going to get to his botched escape attempt in ecuador as we're just building up to the hardcore stuff here also in the description box below the video is a link to el infierno which is available on amazon paperback kindle read it leave a review honestly it will blow your mind and peter's gonna write another book as well so we will uh we will start promoting that for him when he starts to make progress on it all right so how long are you in pakistan 10 months and then i was eventually taken to this uh calgary sea prison it was stoked near children so in parkours did you have any soul mates um i did only for a little bit though i think i only had one because of being potential category i was a single cell nearly all the time but obviously as i went through the system it dropped down uh did you get along with your soul mate yeah did you hear his story um i can't really remember the guy yeah remember a little bit but uh yeah i can't remember now it takes some getting used to doesn't it you're living in the room the size of a toilet and sleeping next to the toilet i think what you could to to so people understand how small a prison cell is if you've ever been on a ferry across the english channel and you've taken a room or a cabin on one of those ferries that is virtually identical to a prison cell yeah isn't it yeah and then put a toilet in there and when you're locked down because it's short-staffed so farts [ __ ] pisses yeah everything it's lovely you just really um have to get used to it which you do okay so parkhurst then any any notable stories from that time that you can think of uh i remember a prison officer there getting a bucket of [ __ ] and pissed over his head which was quite noticeable was he being a dick yeah he's been a dick he'd already been crippled once by an inmate called i mentioned him his name called stagsy from uh london yeah who i won't mention the the officer's name because he knows who he is he got crippled by stags in a riot and uh he's walked with a limp it was a bit of a dick uh they got a bucket of piss and [ __ ] over his head after one evening uh when we were being told to bang up i remember banging up and i remember hearing him shouting you know after these other guys bang bang bang up and then i'm gonna kill you and they left that piercing [ __ ] there for about three or four days just to you know so stank the wing out just to teach us a lesson sort of thing there's no need to be a dick is that everyone just wants to get out that's it it's just getting you know stay safe really yeah just just kissing's hard enough as it is isn't it yeah exactly any other stories from that prison before we go to the next one not that i can repeat what was the next one then oh stoke and that was which is like medium minimum minimum no medium so medium cells with cell mates now no i think they were single single cells that was nothing better than singapore yeah it was out in the countryside quite nicely really yeah because you do outdoor recreation and stuff uh i wasn't there for that long because they only took me there for release basically at the end so i didn't really yeah i remember sitting around on some grass at some point which was quite novelty after having been in the english prison system and there's no grass or wildlife i mean suddenly you can touch grass [Laughter] so did you have a routine then it sounds like um you just buckled down and got on with yeah yeah exactly you just yeah i mean that's the best thing to do if you're in prison is make a routine for yourself and you know i'd listen to certain radio stations certain times certain programs tv if you had a tv luckily when i went in they they started installing tvs and all the prisons yeah so that was a good thing for the first year or so there weren't any tvs yeah and you know it was just radios which they did routinely break so i couldn't have a radio so in your 20s i mean i didn't read when i was a young person but did you have uh any offers you liked or did you just uh what kind of stuff did you used to be quite a lot when i was in prison robert ludlum read through quite a lot of the boys yeah yeah um lord of the rings did all that uh used to read uh sort of classics if i could yeah uh you know things like dracula franco's done you know mary shelley all that sort of stuff but yeah um yeah wait quite a bit so as it's coming closer to your release are you thinking all right i'm messed up got to make some lifestyle choices don't want to go back to this look at the [ __ ] the stress it's put my family through yeah exactly which it did a lot of stress yeah a lot of grief so how long did that last that was that thought process which that you were going to rehabilitate obviously not very long no it did it did um i mean you know having seen what it put my mother through particularly how my dad my father and everyone around me sister everything it wasn't fun and i felt really bad about that and so decided to when i got well decided that when i got out i'd set up a painting a decorating company because i trained to be a paint decorator at gloucester prison and my father was a builder anyway so i sort of had some experience with it already yeah and he you know my father said you know whilst he's doing the building work he would push on the painting work to me so it was you know had jobs set up ready to go really yeah so that's what i did when i got out but here's the but um i did say well basically i mean i remember one sunday i was reading the sunday times because i used to get that delivered once a week because it would take you a week to read it anyway and uh i came across this article about uh a seizure of cocaine that these guys had basically they they had impregnated a load of patio furniture you know a lot of white garden furniture yeah plastic garden furniture with cocaine and brought in a container load of it which got seized probably because of an informant and this had happened not long after 9 11 so i don't know whether you remember around that time a lot of passengers mules and people like that were getting the rest of the airports as a subsequent uh as well what's the word as a well because of the increased security levels um so i quickly saw that you know the future import and cocaine wasn't in blocks or in powder because the amount of security and technology that they now have to do to take that is right just makes it basically almost impossible to do unless you're paying people off so you got the eureka moment yeah kind of so i see this and i think well god if i'm going to do anything when i get out that's what i'm going to do you know i'll go find a source of cocaine in south america cut out all the middlemen you know just the business head is just kicked in completely and uh yeah source cocaine in south america put it into plastic rubber and bring it into britain back process it and sell it people are going to be like you know what did he do did you just pick up the phone and call south america how did he get this um i uh at that time at perkins had a couple of my co-defendants with me from the first case and one of them was the connection that i had to the guys up in london so i went and spoke to him and said look when i get out when we get out would you be interested in putting me in contact with some people up in london who could get a source with some colombians who could then source the coke in south america and he aimed an art and said well i'm not sure you know he's a bit older than me he didn't want to come back to prison understandably and i said well look have a think about it let's see what happens when we get out you know it's not going to be initially anyway whatever because i don't really want to go back into that life anyway but if if you know when the day comes uh you know let's talk about it so he said okay so i get out go start the painting of the decorating business which goes okay but it's hard work hard craft every day coming back covering [ __ ] and dust you know and it just starts the daily grind starts getting me down and it's like ah you know doing this for the rest of your life no then you start getting there [Laughter] and you know then people start ringing up and the phone starts ringing people are saying oh we've got this we've got that we can do this come and help us with that you've got the content blah blah blah and before you know it you go uh it's just that day isn't there you go do you know what [ __ ] you pick up the phone you make a phone call and then all the wheels start turning the cogs and yeah before you know it you're in a prison in equitable in the making of that phone call then did you have a particular slang code words well i at that time i wouldn't talk on the phone yeah so it would all be face to face uh or we did used to use phone books to phone books sometimes but even then we would be really that would just be to arrange the meaning uh we were using pages prior to me getting arrested actually and uh when those guys got arrested in london in 98 at that time we were using the paging system where someone had sent you the number of a telephone books or we'd send it we get to a telephone box basically send the number off the box to a pager which the guy was carrying he would then go to another phone box and bring our phone books so his phone books to phone books but the police got wise to that and they apparently put my voice on voice recognition uh for the case uh the equilibrium case should we call it so uh well this was this is what i was told anyway later uh that they'd had my voice on voice recognition and all of the telephone boxes in gloucestershire area tapped through gchq which is in cheltenham just local to me which isn't the best but um yeah so make a meeting go and see my friend and say yeah you know let's go to london find find some colombians and see what we can arrange which we did went to try to remember the name of the area south kennington yeah so wouldn't have met these colombians and initially we were just going up there and buying coke from them and then i said to them look you know why we're actually here is because i want to set up an import so you guys seem quite cool we're doing business already let's knock it up a level and start importing some cocaine um you know i've got all the the people in britain to sell to i can get the passengers take care of logistics here you take care of that end get it all arranged at that end and we'll marry the two up uh which is kind of what we did and unbeknown to me the you know i didn't know at that point that they were already bringing it in in plastic and rubber so when they pulled this out in front of me i said oh we're already doing it like this i was like no way that's exactly what i had in mind anyway so it's just like you know how long how long did the good times last what did you spend your money on uh i mean yeah good times lasted i suppose two and a half three years some other not long which surprised me to be honest and it surprised me the amount of attention that the police dedicated or gave us because we always decided to keep it fairly low-key you know nothing more than five five or six kilos at a time which we would then re-press up to up to about eight something like that sometimes a bit more so we weren't making massive inroads into the cocaine market of britain and yet i think what really got under the under their skins was the fact that we were beating all their systems for detecting it and stopping it coming into the country and that pissed them off you know because we kept on going they knew we knew they were watching us so it was a cat and mouse game and i think that really really annoyed them because we were just we we carried on doing it basically uh all right just turn your notifications off yeah i just know it's those okay noise so while he's doing that i'll just say tell the audience again we're just leading up now to this horrific ecuadorian prison experience and the hellhole the inferno and the medical stuff that peter suffered and is still suffering as you can hear absolutely but it's just once we get in the ecuadorian prison it's just hardcore story after hardcore story sorry i i peter's lucky to be alive from what i heard i know a lot of you guys watched our woman who was in the venezuelan prison that was totally off the hook well um this is this is up there if yes next level next level but he's in the men's side which is always next level yeah so please go down in the description box support what peter's doing check out his book are you doing a youtube channel or on socials or anything no not really okay no probably should be okay well you've got plenty of time this probably got about three three to four weeks um if you want to go down that route so all right so what were you spending your money on at that time you said you had a three-year run yeah yeah yeah i mean i i you know we did try and keep it quite tight i said to the columbians and the chilean uh because obviously a few other people got involved as well i did warn them i said you know don't go out and start buying flashy cars and you know just going crazy for the money which some of them did yeah because that always draws heat but um yeah i mean i was i stayed i was living in an annex at my dad's house in in a one bedroom flat i kept it really low-key yeah tried to anyway uh yeah ended up having quite a nice car ish what car range rover but um yeah that was actually a ringed ranger over anyway so yeah i didn't really buy that um but yeah i spending money i i suppose on hotels quite a bit at that time uh restaurants uh spending on a family girlfriend a kid you know living in quite nice houses oh no not at that point that was the first time but yeah um yeah invested some of it so so there's a thing called civil asset forfeiture laws did they take everything what on the ecuador anyone yeah no because i was never actually charged in britain oh okay which was something that all the way through bait well if we wind it forward a bit i suppose so we'll come back to that maybe yeah come back to it yeah how did the boss go down for the ecuadorian one then so basically we knew that we were under surveillance uh because there'd been a couple of bus in britain one up in crystal palace and then where was the other one it was another lab anyway up in london got taken out yeah and you know they started to get quite close to us and um i did uh well we made a lab up in edinburgh up in scotland you made a lab well we put a little lab together in a in an apartment like walter white style a little bit yeah a little bit with a 15 ton floor standing press and you know various bits of equipment which is actually this is another funny story the the flat that we did it in the the flat below that was owned by irving welsh and is the flat they wrote train spot again wow we used to get circular mail from mr i welch that's brilliant i remember the the elderly couple across the landing from us uh talking to them on one occasion she was saying oh yeah that we that nice mr evan well she used to used to hear him tapping away on the typewriter and uh i read most of his books in prison big fan yeah yeah he was a counter worker that time wasn't a tax tax office or something something like that yeah writing it this part time and then lo and behold years later there's a massive cocaine laboratory posted in the flower were you at the location i had been we'd spotted the police surveillance on on the apartment i'd actually gone out of the apartment and followed uh an undercover unit which we noticed what's up what had you seen to spot them what were they doing i wasn't actually there at the time they were spotted but uh one of the guys that was working in the flat uh in the lab the colombian phone the upper said look we think we're being watched uh there's a car down the back with a couple of mana the woman who keep looking up at the back window last night right that sounds like the police let me get back and have a look so i've got into the flag come up looked out the back window i was like yeah that's definitely the please yeah and whilst i'm looking they've clocked me see looking at them they've moved their car across the road into a car park which i've seen them do trying to be discreet so i've gone back downstairs jumped in the van i had on a hire gone to that car park blocked them in yeah and made it very apparent that i know they're there let them come out you know i'd back the van up and let them come out just and then followed them through edinburgh for about 10 15 minutes and then got bored of it and let them you know they went off one way i went to the other and went back to the flat and i said look that was definitely the police i think we should bail get out of here and the colombians were like oh well we're not sure it might not have been i was like i'm telling you now that was the police the door's gonna come through but they wouldn't go so i said no you know i said look we've got to get out of here and i said look if you want to say you stay but i'm gone so i went off to stay tonight in the in baltimore hotel left in edinburgh and i'm pretty sure that night i remember hearing noise outside my hotel room door i think that was the police don't know for sure i'm pretty sure it was next morning all the phones were off not getting any response to them like oh [ __ ] sake so decide to risk it and i'd go get get a taxi back down to the the flat and i'd left the van parked in front of the flat so to give the appearance that i was in it so when they raided it the police thought i was in there because the van was there which i wasn't yeah so i've got back down there it all seems very quiet there's no evidence of anything ever having happened go up the stairs get to the top and the front door has just been smashed straight through it's all boarded up you know big old or it was a big sort of uh merchant's apartment so the door was a big solid door and it apparently took them about 25 minutes to get through it so in that time the columbians have managed to get rid of most of what was there uh they've been arrested and remanded uh it was all over the front pages of all the newspapers in scotland and it was right across the bbc you know one two three four all of it that was uh two thousand well i got busted in 2005. it was the same year yeah it's about three months before i got busted for three four months some other so because of that burst and it being that close to me and not me knowing there's going to be dna in that flat that connects me to it i basically disappeared off the face of the earth uh dropped all my electronic communication emptied my banks you know got with all the bank cards everything uh and got the turkish mafia to smuggle me out of britain in the boot of a mercedes car is that another phone call yeah so phone them out friend oscar that's not his real name so it doesn't matter and said look oscar i need to get out of britain you know normally at that time there's all these people getting smuggled into britain while they're still uh yeah and there's making smoke so he got me in the boot of this mercedes obviously not all the way to dove we've dropped it over then got in the boot and went across on the uh the hovercraft thingy there's the hovercraft the first one i can't remember something like that anyway something like that yeah uh so i got to france put myself out the way because we had a property in midfrance sort of hid out there was that in your name no no no no um the turks gave me a car another ringer to drive around in france on british plates which is quite cool so yeah just hit out in france for a few months and then decided to do that one last trip oh not the last one i'm gonna do one one last two and retire and live happily ever yeah live happily ever happily ever after on a thai beach was the plan so i was yeah unfortunately the informant was involved in this here we have it's just a bad idea from start to finish the last what was the informant then the guy who said that he didn't believe you about the police surveying you did he want us to no no no no no no that was that no they were still in prison yeah yeah no the informant had been busted in the in the crystal palace lab yeah uh who was like i said one of the the partners me the colombian and the chilean so is this the colombian yeah he got released after like six months uh we you know at the time we were a bit like well how the hell you know how he got out of this but it did you know what he told us and what we learned through the case papers it did seem to fit what did he tell you i can't actually remember now um i think because i mean there was about five or six of them taken out in the lab yeah and i think he had said that the others had taken the fall he hadn't been caught with any of the actual drugs so he was released but in that time the police had turned him yeah and obviously he became their star informant and not only did he take us out he ended up taking about 400 other people out oh sure uh in the summing up at bristol crown court when they when they uh had the trial of the people that were arrested in britain the judge actually named him because i'd already you know i'd already pretty well done that so the judge named him in open court and said look mr bloody blah has uh helped the police uh put away you know this person that person you know has had x amount of drugs taken off the street oh what a good guy and he was given i think uh a five year you know i think it was four year sentence obviously let out the back door 400 people that must have put him on the radar of some scary people yeah quite a few people ended up dead in the case uh just the insanity of the war on drugs something that we're campaigning to end yeah the war on drugs is just a couple all the stuff it comes about because of drug life yeah yeah yeah but we'll get to that yeah all right yeah keep going then this is gripping um where am i france ecuador oh yeah yeah so yeah so decided to do this one last trip out to work with her and i just knew i wasn't coming back yeah i i actually had a dream uh i have dreams sometimes it come true i don't sound weird to everyone but i do and i had this dream about being in prison in south america and the girl that i was with at the time was also he was also arrested with me in south america i said to him look i i think you know i'm going to get arrested out there i described the prison the color of the walls the layout of the present everything and sure enough i go out there we get arrested uh it's kind of a bit of a long story short no just keep going with it don't you cut it off all right so okay i fly out to ecuador she's my girlfriend at the time has gone back to britain because she was out in france with me for a little bit so i say look why don't you come out to ecuador for a holiday and you know once i clear up the business send the meal back to britain we'll you know i'll take you right next we'll show you equipment or spend some time with you because you know i wasn't really seeing it because of all the running away scenario so she comes out to work with her or gets arrested the first day that she's there with me i arrived two days before she she lands is there about four hours first time in south america gets arrested with me with you with me at gunpoint in the penthouse of a hotel in quito was it a last smashing down situation no we'd been out to dinner and i'd clocked the there was some sort of something going on around us uh you know i'd noticed a couple of what appeared to be undercover agents we're at dinner we were sat in this restaurant well the hotel restaurant and this guy had come in european white looking guy and he sat like two tables to my right and i'm looking at him because the restaurant's empty and he's reading the menu but it's upside down and he was obviously trying to eavesdrop the conversation or something but you know he definitely wasn't the client didn't want any food he said there were the menu upside down i said to my girlfriend i said look at this guy with the sun he sat there with the menu upside down anyway come out the restaurant go to the reception of the hotel and like by that time i was quite friendly with the the the people that were running the hotel because i'd use it a few times yeah and a girl who i knew behind the reception said to me oh have you been to the galapagos islands this time and i was like no and she said you really should go and i was thinking richard go and she was telling him trying to tell me you should really get the [ __ ] out of here hit the corridor of the top floor and get to the end just putting the key card in the door and bang out come the guns balaclavas on yeah ecuadorian police plain clothes drug squad interpol you know on the floor all that i was like so they took us in the room they'd already been in there they knew where the tent was you know they found it quite quickly it shouldn't have been in there that was me being sloppy being overconfident arrogant whatever you want to call it you know you get that sort of the problem was because we'd outsmarted them so many times you know it just got to the point where i thought well this guy's going to be one more we'll get around them again we'll smell them again we didn't this time not at all there's a lesson here for people if you're going overseas and you think you can just run rings the cops might be slow but they've got all the resources in the world and all the time in the world and all the taxpayers money and then they only have to get lucky once and get lucky every time and you can end up in a foreign prison where it's life or death and raw survival is about to hear and before people call me out and say how rude of sean eating a banana well pete said a gripping story um the reason i eat bananas during podcast is because my stomach rumbles and these stop the stomach from rumbling if my stomach continues to rumble then the sound transmits to joe our sound engineers headphones over there and he gets thunder and lightning and everything starts to go wrong so voila okay plenty of bananas in here i'll tell you the sweet ones did you those little ones yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah little little hands yeah they're my all-time favorite bananas yeah there's something like 200 different types of bananas i think grief yeah can you get last week once in this country i've looked you can in fact i'm thinking about importing fruit from south america please do i've already set the company up but because of my prior yeah life i'm having difficulty getting a license to import yeah surprisingly there's going to be nothing untoward in those crates i swear to god so are you guys then separated right away or they take you in together uh we are taking it together to the interpol station and um the holding cells were in a like a covered courtyard but uh what am i trying to say bad gate blood gates yeah um so you know you can talk to each other across this small courtyard and we end up being held there for five or six weeks because at the time we were arrested there was a strike or a riot in the prison the entire prison system because of the conditions there and there was no remission at that time so people were spending five or six years on remand not even having seen a judge uh just yeah her horror stories going on so the prisoners had basically locked off the prisons we're killing each other merrily uh and so there was no one with movement so we ended up stuck at interpol for five or six weeks all right so first day you're you're at the gate looking at your misses she's gotta be in shock what's she saying to you she's not happy she's not happy at all yeah very upsetting very upset she's saying what the [ __ ] um yeah are we gonna how are we gonna get out of this would you like to go sure but i mean just straight away i said look whatever happened you're you know you're not involved i will get you out of this don't worry whichever way i have to i'll pay a you know pay get you out or you know i will take for whatever the end of the day you are not going to go to prison unfortunately she did when she got right to britain but that's a later part in the story how often could you see her daily while you were in that first oh 24 hours a day she's just right opposite yeah yeah literally from like well not safe from bt that's honestly but they have other foreign people in there for interpol uh yeah when i got arrested there was actually a bunch of arabs in the uh syrians and lebanese who were in for smelling cocaine and funding hezbollah you know buying weapons with the with the with funds a couple of whom spoke english which was handy so i immediately fell in with them they looked up looked after me had my back and a couple of their wives were in with the females who also spoke english and you know looked after my girlfriend yeah one of whom was married this is crazy it was married i know she sorry she was the uh niece of the vice president of ecuador lenin moreno's niece was in prison with my girlfriend wow because she was married to one of the syrian guys who was a terrorist alleged terrorist yeah you've made an interesting point though because one of the things that we say in our campaign against the war on drugs is that making drugs illegal is being the biggest profit opportunity in the history of the world for criminals and cartels but you've just added in terrorism so drugs being illegal doesn't just finance the cartels and criminals all the world it finances terrorism yeah another reason to scrap drug laws and in the war on drugs yeah but i mean you know why they i mean well i mean personally i think why they're not scrapping them is because they make more money keeping it illegal it's an industry if yeah totally all the prison service the judiciary everything the pharmaceuticals that they need to take people off those drugs everything then you've got the bush and clinton crime families bringing it in that's another story all right so you're um you've got your cell mates down you're the only english guy in this paul facility so when you're the only english guy then and there's a bunch of people from other countries how do you fit in with them pretty easily actually it was yeah it was it was uh yeah we quickly made friends with the with the uh the the arabs should we say could you entertain yourselves cards chess or anything like that um we didn't really have anything in the intercourse not even food yeah uh you had to get your families to bring your food in so luckily oh well no food yeah so we some of the arrows were helping me to bring food in you know you'd have to pay for your own food yeah uh and drinks so it was pretty harsh uh how did you access money then from there to get food brought in um we were allowed a certain amount of money through the embassy so i think yeah they brought cash in i mean they they didn't want much to do with me because they've been told you know this guy's [ __ ] sorry language okay you can swear after five minutes he's you know xyz criminal from england and uh basically don't help him they were actually told that they the woman came in and said that she she'd never in all her time at the embassy being told not to help a prisoner and she'd been directly told not to talk to me don't help him you know basically make your life [ __ ] so you've got nothing coming in a negatorium prison i mean they they they she did help me thankfully yeah so this is the cops again just trying to sweat you and get you killed yeah i mean uh yeah i definitely believe they did try and get me killed at them after reading your book i believe that as well yeah so um five weeks did you say in the yeah at the rest of the prisons in that told you where you were going to go next and what that was going to be yeah so there's all those stories because i'd already been imprisoned in england i wasn't particularly worried to some extent but i mean you know i knew a south american presence is a bit different yeah but uh at the end of the year i kind of view prison wherever you are as prison it's prisoners that you're behind bars walls you know people with guns trying to shoot you if you get out yeah it's all pretty much the same and um you know i'm a couple of guys in their locals were going oh it's like hell in the ellen fiona hence title of the book yeah uh you know it's it's you're gonna be ripped pieces all those of you know normal stores i mean you hear them in britain when you're waiting to go into prison there people would be like oh you know particularly if they think you look fresh or something they're just trying to get into your head i remember had a fight in the interpol some uh guy there thought he tried his luck because you know saw me as foreign and yeah i'd could you could you feel the tension building between you and him or was it just a random no he just he just came he just came in one night and tried it on now it's created by the friends nice just face it slow down when you say he tried oh what did he do well i just came in and started trying to you know just i can't remember exactly what i think he's trying to get money off me or something i didn't really sweat it shaking you down and i just gripped him by the front and pushed him up against him smacked him in the face yeah yeah and then people left me alone yeah a bit so you got some respect from doing that i mean this is really sure i mean there's not many people there's certainly like 20 30 people all right so you've got this chapter in your book now called into hell can you take us into hell the people watching this one which one's uh let's want to get chanted because i can't remember the chapters right so wherever you're going to go after interpol is that yeah that was that's the hell right the next one yeah yeah can you slowly take us into hell so like the people watching this they want to you know hear you going in the prisoners looking at you the sounds the smells yes everything you can think of to describe okay so the the first place that we get taken to is like a remand center their version of a remand center prior to going into the main prison and uh it was like a three-story building so we get driven through quito up through the old town to uh this uh what i call it um i've forgotten what i was saying well i said what's it called a reman center remember a sense of unsentenced prisoners yeah so get taken to these romances which is right next to the main prison and it's like a three-story building and at the bottom the bottom floor is just open basically with uh raw iron bars and the people in there were obviously like the worst of the worst and the prison guard was joking going oh we're going to put you in there and there's people in there with knives with machetes going like this arms coming out through the bars trying to grab you and long ago i was like going in there are they like a rag tag bunch yeah we all rag tag like street criminals just murders and dust i mean like pirates of the caribbean scenario you know it's just scary scary so luckily we got taken up to the third floor which is like traffickers you know people with money blah blah blah money talks in this country yeah and so going to the the the you know with this group of arabs because we got transferred at the same time my girlfriend has obviously gone to the women's prison so we've been split up which is quite you know traumatic seeing a go because no one was going to see her again and not knowing what she was going to be going into herself and particularly because she hadn't been into prison i knew this was her first experience in prison i had no idea what the [ __ ] was going on you know i that was that was what was worrying me more than anything it was what was happening to her really uh and what i could do about it um so whilst in interpol i'd actually taken on a lawyer that the uh the arabs were using yeah because the embassy had brought in their list of lawyers and i'd picked one out and these guys had come in all dressed in fancy shoes expensive rings and asked me for a retain of like three hundred thousand dollars or something and we can get you four years and it will cost you half a million dollars i was a half of you mad i can get a better a lesser sentence in an english prison for no money right you know you know what i'm saying so anyway i take on this this lawyer that they put me in touch with uh who seemed pretty good local woman so she not only does she help with the case but she also smooths things out our transition into the prison so she goes along to the prison guards and you know pays a few bribes and we spend about a week in the roman tent and then gets taken straight into the into the main prison into the the wing for foreigners uh this isn't quito where they had a wing sort of pretty much dedicated just for foreigners which was not too bad actually um the prison was laid out like a victorian prison in england uh very similar to the one that i was in gloucester with the center and the wings coming out radiating out like the spokes of a wheel uh bicycle wheel and there was the foreigners wing uh wing manufact ecuadorians are the wing for colombians and ecuadorians uh which they oversaw their own wings if we oversaw ours kind of so uh yeah first day there was okay get brought in uh meet a few of the english guys in there pretty quickly guy from manchester lee uh uh that's right but yeah we go on to we didn't go into the foreign first we went into another wing first where i met lee and spent a couple of nights there not very long like a holding cell probably about not not even as big as the studio about 40 of us in there having to take it in shifts to sleep because there was no floor so having gone through that yeah we get taken into this this wing for foreigners um and oh yeah i ended up in a cell with a french and german guy uh quickly learned that i can buy my own cell but um what was this all cost two grand two thousand pounds more or less it will take depending on the condition and what was in it uh you could have tvs in there dvd player fridge whatever you want uh satellite tv can someone take you on a tour of the available cells kind of yeah i mean at that time the prism was overcrowded so there weren't any really so you had to sort of wait for one to come up you'd have like a little contract own of the cell uh and when the cell was sold or transferred you'd have to go to the the like the informal boss of the wing the capo and say look uh want to buy this cell he'd witness it you know it was like a little contract yeah funny retail underground economy yeah property empire so the boss then was he part of a gang he was one of the arabs actually he was the syrian a syrian guy uh oh no achieve uh when i first went in it was an egyptian but quickly became this syrian they were all connected anyway so again that was helpful because i was friends with his friends um so yeah yeah yeah the arrival into equi into keith it wasn't too bad to be honest wasn't too bad so far so you get your cell then you're in the foreign wing are the locals coming into the following are they interacting with you yeah a little bit uh not massively um after a few months i've become quite friendly with the little uh group of colombians uh met this american guy called aaron if you see this uh who introduced me to his uh little group of colombian guys who i'm still very friendly with to this day spoke to one of them yesterday yeah uh they kind of had our back so to speak they've had a couple of weapons handguns what not so so the prisoners had weapons handguns oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah machetes i mean everyone had knives machetes uh you feel the need to arm yourself after a while yeah i mean i i've not always carried a knife but i always had a knife fairly handy yeah um i did have a hank and art later on when i was there because we ended up sort of running a few things on the wing yeah just to generate money really and not cut into the money that we had saved back in britain i had saved back in britain what is the gang structure in the locals um like i say the ecuadorians tended to stick to their wing the columbia's there we're gonna us to wear wings so i formed a little uh european gang guy called eurobanda as a joker because like the the spanish word for gang is banned panda um so i got a couple of russians uh some english guys a whole bunch of us and just we thought about 20 or 30 of us strong and then these colombians as back up so we started bringing in our own coke selling coke on the wing to the foreigners um i ended up buying four three or four cells renting some of the sales out just doing whatever business i could so you're a landlord and you're a cocaine kingpin and you've got weapons and you've got an army did you have enforcers yeah as well they were the colombians as well yeah any drug deaths we'd send the climate really well the russians quite tough yeah generally yeah i i i had one of them living with me uh vladimir who's uh in israel now so shout out to vladimir if you if you see this uh yeah i'm boris as well good old russian names all right so so far it's going smoothly yeah you've got your little business you're making some money on the side is it the coke um the guards bring that in you have to pay them off uh it was a bit different there because the yeah i mean the guards i mean having spent time in an english prison where is the guards you don't talk to them this is them and us going into a prison in south america whereas the opposite the guards are almost part of the whole melee yeah you know so they're all getting paid all getting bribed i mean on a sunday which was like the collection day all debts had to be sort of paid up you know you'd pay your debt at the shop yeah or a restaurant because there were shops and restaurants in there uh so they'd all come around collecting their little their little uh chitty or whatever um but the guys would do the same so on a sunday i'd have a row of guards outside myself all collected like five dollars two dollars three dollars depend on what for you know you you'd have to pay them off to turn a blind eye to the fact you had a phone the fact that you had a gun you were dealing coke stuff like that um yeah just keep them sweet really so this is the real world america pays these countries billions every year to fight the war on drugs and they end up flying around in the helicopters showing off to the girlfriends these politicians and these police chiefs and the guards and the police are the ones running the drugs at the ground level yeah absolute madness all right so seawing garcia moreno prison that's where we're at now yeah yeah that's right okay the next chapter headline is then just another day in paradise and whiskey galore you got some stories from those chapters that was probably when we were because yeah we were that's probably when we're bringing in the alcohol as well yeah uh every every other week but visits were all day wednesday all day saturday all day sunday so you could have your family girlfriend wife friends whoever in into the wing into your cell uh so you think that's half nearly half the time you're imprisoned you've got your family in there could you have your actual girlfriend from the other side the women's prison moved into yours no there was they did do a thing like that but i managed to get about before that became a question but um i think once a month you could they used to bring the female prisoners to see their boyfriends or husbands into the men's prison yeah and they could come into your cell you know spend the day in themselves whether you're having sex and all the rest of it use your stuff but um they did a thing where every other week on a saturday you could have any female stay in your cell overnight so you know like a conjugal visit wow uh so you would kick out your cell mates and they would sleep in the gym and you'd have a pie in a party in your in yourself basically overnight did they just do that out of respect because you had a woman you know you have to kick them down something hey your cell mates to go and sleep in the gym oh no no because i mean if you own the sale you could do what you wanted basically because you're the owner yeah yeah yeah you know if you you really to have those privileges you could either rent a sell which is why i started buying sales to rent out for these things yeah uh or you could you'd but you know buy your own yeah all right so we've got so the whiskey thing didn't pan out i know i mean we were making money bringing whiskey in as well okay i mean i think that's referring to to those those those party days because everyone would just have a massive party yeah whoever was kicked out the cell would just they just all go and get completely shit-faced and drunk loads of coke end up fighting so the final heading then before your sentence is nikki yeah what's that chapter about that that's about my girlfriend that was uh that's not a real name okay let's stick with the fake name yeah um so she's on remand she must be going through all kinds of mental processes yeah where is she at mentally before your sentencing i mean uh because i got her released before i get sentenced okay tell us about that yeah so basically i'm trying to bribe people left right and center judges please whoever i can uh may need to get her out and get her you know out of ecuador yeah so i managed to do that i ended up having to take the fall basically in order to get her released and paid paid quite a substantial amount of money to the judges to make sure it happened you see how much that was 25 grand okay so got her out and she came to see me and i said look whatever you do do not go back to britain because the british police are going to arrest you i know you're not involved but they don't care they're just gonna do whatever they can to make first my life out and second you're like really [ __ ] hell uh so yeah i'd arranged for an apartment for in barcelona and i said look you can go to barcelona my friends have got an apartment set up there for you bring your daughter over from england to because she had a teenage daughter at that time bring a bring away from england just stay in spain and watch what happens with the case from a distance at least you're free you can do what you want and if it goes pete tong pear-shaped you don't have to go back anywhere hopefully you know and you won't be going to prison but she went back to england and after a few months got arrested in england and um i by that point have been sentenced to 12 years they requested 25 years they grew basically the british police contacted the ecuadorians came over a couple of times uh threatened to extradite me back to britain um said if i got less than 10 years or served less than six that i would first of all complete the sentence there and then be re-sentenced when i was returned to britain to 25 20-25 in britain that's what they were going to start it out which is one thing that worried me all the way through the through the entire time in prison because i because i got sentenced to 12 and that was for 7.8 kilograms of cocaine that they found in ecuador but not for the 85 kilograms in britain and 4 million quid or whatever it was i didn't know whether or not when i got back to britain however i ended up back here whether or not i was going to get re-sentenced to 20 to 25 years right up into the day that i walked out one to earth i thought i was going to get get you arrested oh man that was awesome i went through 10 years of absolute torment and fear thinking i'm going to get stuffed when i walk out at one point did they say no we will accept the time that you've done you know we can see how hard it's been nothing like that and no point did they say yeah fair is fair the worst part of being a prisoner is on remand i was on 26 months and just the uncertainty was like everyone's getting sentenced to nine and a half years is one of the happiest days of my life because i knew what i was going to do but then i have that life sentence hanging over you for 10 years yeah and also in equity even though i was sentenced to 12 that didn't mean i was the guy i was going to get out necessarily after 12 or even 10 or even whatever because i mean i know people there at the moment in prison who have gone beyond the amount of time they're supposed to be in britain and because they don't have money to get out they haven't been able to pay the lawyers pay the judge to get the forms signed to get out so they're still in prison so for 26 months my mind was just playing tricks on me thinking you know you're facing a big sentence you might never get out yeah for 10 years to have that how did you adjust mentally were you able to start blocking it out or did it just keep coming back that was always there it was always going away um i mean part of me every year i remember i was ringing my family girlfriend who you know whoever i was with at that time uh but mainly family i'd be bringing them up saying look i'm going to be out in six months or a year which i thought i was going to be yeah because i was paying all these bribes off and all the rest of it and i you know it just wasn't happening and every time i got near to getting out something would go wrong the police would come over they'd make sure i didn't get out block it and after five years for five and a half years um i applied for this new system that they just started then this like 50 remission thing like like in england you know you do half your centers if if the sentence is under 10 years you do half yeah so there's a similar sort of system out there for good behavior the problem was because the system had only just started then there was no record of good behavior or having done courses because there weren't any courses so there wasn't any evidence to support it so when the file went in my name must have been being flagged up because of having tried to escape out of keto yeah and they gave me 9 remission on a 12-year sentence which meant in total that i had to do 11 years out of a 12-year sentence they just really had it in for you and so at five and a half years i thought oh great i'm going to be out in a few months do half my sentence i'm out when that news came through my mother in the meantime had died just at this time and i was in some ways i was glad that she had because i think when i had to phone up and tell her that no i'm not coming down i've got to do another five or six years that would have killed her yeah yeah that year was really bad actually found my best mate hanging in a cell just down from me oh it's just a little bit further about slow down a bit then yeah look i'm just curious about the logistics of bribing a judge to let someone out the country so you said it was 25 grand what is to stop the judge from saying all right i've got you 25 grand something's happened send me another 25. that was what started happening oh yeah yeah not so much with my girlfriend because that was kind of cut and dry yeah but when it came to me i think because of the amount of pressure from the british police and the british government maybe the judges were a bit standoffish and a bit worried about doing anything because they knew that if i suddenly got a sentence of less than 10 years or whatever this alarm bells was going to start going off and i remember having to say to my lawyer tell the judge please don't send it to me less than 10 years even though i'm paying all this money i i can't have a sentence less than 10 years because if i do i'm gonna get really shafted how much did the judge just siphon off you in total i spent over 100 and with the 25 grand getting nikki out uh i spent over 125 000 pounds not dollars and it was like two to one at that point so going to your sentencing hearing then did you have a range of expectations that could come down no i mean we by that point we knew pretty much i was going to get 12. it was pretty much it was so 12 with a certain percent and your back time how much would you actually have to serve back time how do you mean so like you've been unsentenced do you get credit for that oh right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah every man time i mean it was just it was just one day's one day out there basically yeah um at the time i got a sentence like i said none of the there was no remission okay so it was all been talked about and it did come in afterwards but at that time i mean when they asked for me to be sentenced to 25 years yeah i was actually if i hadn't been sentenced to 25 years and gone through the system as it was i would have done 23 years out there yeah jesus all right describe your sentencing hearing then so yeah get taken on on a on a prison transport coach bus thing with a load of other people too like a uh like a i suppose five or six story building in the center of quito which was the courts it's really weird because it was like a you know like in the british court room it's all sort of one level isn't it you don't really have high rises and i think the courtroom is on the third or fourth floor so you go from the left that's really weird and uh very informal a bit like this at a table with three judges and uh you know i'm sat that side and you're speaking spanish by this point a little bit not much had a translator there from the embassy which who i had to pay for um so you know just run through all the i mean it's pretty quick just in and out you know i tried to say that you know there was a british uh well a colombian informant involved uh named him in court said it was all down to him it was his fault you know tried to put the blame back on him basically i did that because i wanted that to help the people back in england who hadn't been sentenced yet i wanted to out the informant and give them a way out you know because as far as i'm concerned the end of the world is if you play you know if you put it on an informant that's not being aggressive that's the rule for the reach stick but good karma to save those other people yeah so just to give people an idea then you know you're throwing these tens of thousands around to try and grease the system how poor were people in that country at that point in time like what was the averaging coming things like that say for example a doctor would have been on a thousand dollars a month thousand dollars a month doctor's weights presents a thousand american dollars yeah yeah yeah ecuador was americanized uh dollarvised system so prison guard would be on about four or four hundred dollars a month or five hundred dollars a month so you can see why they're open to bribery there's a lot of poverty i mean we could get the coke was uh like four or five dollars a gram you know bringing an ounce i could work it out yeah five mask failing [Music] anyway it's cheap so you know you could pay a prison guard to bring it in pay him hundred dollars two hundred dollars they bring you in a gun for three hundred dollars good grief so the good cops watching this then they're like enforcing these drug laws i hope it's making some of your question like the the black market gets bigger every year the violence gets bigger every year and the unintended consequences you know your girlfriend's in there and all this other stuff and just wreaks havoc everywhere all over the world okay so you're leaving the court now how do you feel um well kind of like you kind of relieved that yeah you know all that weight's over at least i know what i've got now um the plan was then to let things calm down a bit so there wasn't so much attention around me from the british police and the media and whatnot yeah let that all chill out and then come back after a year or six six months or a year make an appeal pay pay and get the sentence brought down from 12 to either eight or six yeah and not hopefully let the british police know about this you know because it was on appeal yeah and then do half and get out after three something like that anyway yeah but no none of that ever ever happened none of it just didn't happen didn't transpire so i then started trying to think of ways other ways to get out yeah i escape um i mean it's always on your mind anyway he is though isn't it yeah i mean he likes to be locked up in in in a prison where you all your freedoms are taken away and you're at risk of ending up dead every day you know i mean the violence in there was so commonplace say your stomach can you start can you start to describe some of the things you saw in incidences of violence yeah i mean one of the worst that i saw in kita was when they killed an informant guy called ray uh they brought in what they call uh comey muerto which means in spanish uh translated into english means eat the dead commie muerta and they would be life sentence prisoners who were in for murder or you know just horrible [ __ ] and they would draft them in they would pay the guards to bring one of them in give them a gun so just point them and say kill him or kill them or whoever and that'll be their job they'd kill them then they'd get taken back out to the wing that they run originally did you just see the aftermath of that or did you witness people getting executed so on this day it was a visit day i think it was either saturday or sunday and there were families in there kids running around women you know people's parents stuff like that and my russian mate vladimir came running up to myself and said god you gotta come and see this they're killing that informant ray on on uh d-wing the colombian wing so i go over there get there and there's this group of people and you can see the blood sign spread out all over the great because it's on the ground floor and this guy's just getting butchered this this this uh life sentence prisoners just you know just repeatedly stabbing him the guy's crumpled up on the floor and he's not dying and he's you know he's trying to talk and he's trying to call for help no one's helping him the guard just standing back let it happen because they've been paid off and it took the guy half an hour to die the guy doing the killing stopped halfway through went sat in his cell smoke some crack got nice and high came back and carried on again holy [ __ ] yeah and his kids running through the blood and women and just people just stood up it was just so [ __ ] up that no one is healthy and you you think that could be you that was the scariest thing in the prison was the fact that you had nowhere to turn to that's why i got this little group of foreigners together as some sort of backup because generally the foreigners out there got used to get extorted or picked upon because generally they didn't have any backup or they didn't have anyone around them so i formed this pretty tight group with the columbians so that you know people wouldn't [ __ ] with us how do you do how how do you deal with that psychologically seeing something so hardcore um i mean that wasn't the first time i'd seen pretty full on violence i mean i was it was it was all in the prison all in the prison you mean uh no i mean you know i've seen stuff outside the prison as well yeah yeah um but that was pretty extreme and it was just the fact that knowing that if you got into a problem in there there was nowhere to run to no one to go to no one to talk to luckily like i said we we've got this uh we got this group of people together so that we had some sort of backup but you couldn't go to the guards you couldn't go to the authorities because they would just throw you back to the to the lions basically so no matter what kind of back you have and what kind of group you form there's always people who want to try and test you yeah did you get any any situations um in keaton um did you move prison after you've sentenced then are you saying no no no no i mean i would have stayed in keto the entire time if i hadn't tried to escape from the place yeah so so run us run us through the escape attempt first yeah so we're hatching up all these different ways of trying to escape out of the place and there'd been quite a few successful escapes out of their via tunnels uh the prison was on the slopes of a of a volcano the pinching volcano uh in the old town of quito so underneath the present was pretty you know easy to dig out yeah and there was a rabbit warren of tunnels down there already there used to be a running joke that if you opened up one tunnel you'd probably come across three others anyway half finished so um we it was basically in conjunction with the colombians we decided to buy or sell on b wing the ecuadorians wing because the say this is the wing the outside wall ran along here there's a big exercise yard here and we bought a circle right at the end next to the outer wall yeah so the plan was to dig under the the excise yard which was tarmac follow the line of the wall underneath underneath the exterior wall and then pop up here uh basically it was this was mountains here right near to the prison and and and go so we started digging the tunnel and unfortunately someone spoke word got out and i think the guards had clicked that i was trying to escape by that point anyway we also talked about doing a helicopter lift after off the roof because these these columbians were part of park yeah do you want to explain to people who [ __ ] is the gorillas uh the guerrillas colombian gorillas uh fighting for freedom in colombia i suppose and a lot of cocaine yeah left versus right in colombia they all ended up fine getting financed through cocaine because of drug laws yeah yeah yeah exactly so the plan with them was to get some people around well there were two plans one was a helicopter lift which was too expensive and the second was to blow this the wall of this exercise yard with an rpg with covering fire to take out the gun turrets yeah i like the sound of that one that was going to be a mass escape and uh that was the one because when i got transferred the gun said oh you you've been blamed for fuga massive or attempted fuga massive you've got a massive escape of something like 30 people i was like really i don't know who that was so get pretty much ghosted out of out of uh quito down to guayaquil and this prison in guay killed the pet what's it called the uh penitentiary lithuania the guayaquil okay this huge monster of a prison 8 000 prisoners 26 wings just as beard moth of the prison uh in this port city um guayaquil renowned has been completely gang controlled two major gangs at war with each other the cubanos at the time and the russos uh the prison was pretty much evenly divided between the two of them there was a there was a border line which you couldn't cross if you did you're not coming back or if you do you're going to get interrogated by the gang could you tell us a little bit about their gangs how they they came about history i think in inequitable there's always been gangs but generally how they start out there is it it seems to be that there will be a feud between two families someone will get killed from one family by a member of the other and then it starts escalating into tip attack killings and then it's contract killings and then they start financing it with drug trafficking and organized crime bank robberies robbery extortion theft and before you know it you've got a bloody great gang thousands of members uh you know that are infiltrated not only in the prison but into the into the cities and you know they're controlling huge sways of the country because i imagine they can like go to a guards house and just kill the guards the thing is like a lot of them are grown up in the same barriers the same areas of the as the guards so they've you know they've either been at school with them or they know their families so the guards don't will not stand against them at all i mean right now the strongest gang in ecuador was the choneros and i was actually in prison with their leader a guy called hotelly or raskina uh he was on the same wing as me and what him and his brother who i became very friendly with and went through a gun fight with them gun battle yeah i'll tell you about that later wow all right first day then at this new prison yeah so go on this long journey down through the andes um it's not beautiful that journey it was nice to be out of the prison and it was yeah it was quite nice because uh it you know we we set off in the afternoon and it took good i can't remember how many hours but maybe 12 14 hours you know stopped along the way and uh it went right up into oh sorry right up into the andes um yeah so that was my first experience of night time for for a few years by that point did your relationships with the locals carry forward into your new prison or were you a stranger yeah because because some of the main gang leaders sorry because some of the main gang leaders from guayaquil had been transferred to quito as punishment um i'd got to know a couple of them they had then been returned to guayaquil so when i ended up being transferred there they were already back in in the prison there and my friends in quito phoned ahead and said look pete's on the way down uh you know make sure he's looked after when he gets there so i was received by uh on i think it was the morning of the second day there about 50 or there was at least 50 of them gang members gang members came out the boss of the gang all with hand guns all in brand new sports gear hand guns phones came out guards just let them walk straight out of the prison to where i was being held at the gate came and got me said let me go yeah take the phone talk to your friends in keto just let them know you're all right we're going to look after you and i was like they're either going to look after me or were they going to really extort me because i wasn't quite sure what politics was going on because because i had sort of taken over the the foreigners winging quito and it was generating a lot of money money is always a contentious point in the prison because the gangs all the people that want it will do all sorts of [ __ ] to try and take that away from you of course so i'd sort of fallen out with the arab the syrian that i mentioned earlier why because i was taking over the wing i was controlling the cocaine trade in there the alcohol stuff like that and of course him muslim he didn't like alcohol anyway hello and i painted a great bit of union jack on the back of my prison door so that was right in his face and he just didn't like me so there was all these rumors that he had been responsible for me being transferred out of there and also i was hearing rumors it was because of me trying to escape and the british police and you know all sorts of stories floating around i didn't know quite what was true and also being a bit worried that i'm about to get really heavily extorted or possibly just disappeared in this prison and killed yeah so even though you had a good reception it's in the back of your mind that this could be an illusion yeah so get taken into this huge just prison i mean the the main corridor that separated the wings ran down it was a long corridor a mile either kilometer or a mile long this corridor was the wings coming off it like this i mean you couldn't see from one end to the other they the police used to ride up and down it on motorbikes with machine guns on that's insane so i get taken in and we actually went into about the second wing inn and then on the left and that became home what was the living quarters like for you uh i get put in a cell straight away with one of the main well he was the main uh he uh he controlled the drugs for the gang in the whole prison so he had rucksacks full of drugs in the cell with us you could smell it from outside the cell that was a bit that was a little bit nerve-wracking but also kind of reassuring because i knew i was pretty safe but also nerve-wracking because if the police came in to do a search it was like well what's the gringo doing in the cell with all the traffic and he's already loads of drugs anyway as well yeah they there yeah i mean all the gang all the gang members had guns yeah so spent a few months living with him it was pretty cool what was he like interacting with he was pretty chill that guy he didn't you know they were pretty strict about uh their members didn't take the drugs they you know might smoke weed but that was it they didn't do coke or they didn't have crack at that time it was this stuff called batty which is uh like a derivative or heroin either that was like a big node i really frowned upon in there so yeah it was the main drugs that they sold at that time were cocaine weed and this polvo bassy stuff what's your relationship like with your girlfriend at this point she's now back in england i mean this is this is after so she went back to england got arrested and she's now in prison at this point she got sentenced to 13 years they ended up sentenced into 13 years fabricated evidence against her said that she'd been bringing drugs in for me which she hadn't ever is that because she she wouldn't cooperate because she was she went not guilty she went not guilty and she refused to cooperate yeah so she's got balls then hasn't she yeah and unfortunately they they really s like yeah they've completely stitched them up could you communicate with her by no no no no president i mean she cut me off as well how did she i i contacted it before before she got remanded or sentenced and i said look put your legal team in contact with me i mean they must have been [ __ ] yeah to have allowed us to get sentenced to 13 years in prison and to allow the british police to introduce evidence that was clearly fabricated into the case it's just like how did that happen she was on the conveyor belt for the legal vampires that's just another shakedown on the taxpayers all that money yeah exactly you know yeah very sad so you're going in you're single you're living with the gang boss he sells piled up with drugs and weapons yes and you're getting along with this guy right he yeah he was the boss of the drugs they did not the main boss not the main boss each wing had a boss uh he happened to be the main boss for the drugs yeah but then there were other bosses for other things like extortion and prostitution i mean everything yeah i mean they taxed the bottles of coca-cola coming into the prison they put 10 cents on each bottle i mean they were making hundreds of thousands of dollars a week just on things like that wow massive i mean 8 000 people in the prison yeah that's prisoners let alone when all the visits come in at the weekend yeah i mean that tripled in size so does that money then end up on the streets going to the gang infrastructure building up buying weapons and stuff bribes all right so you're in this prison now you're single things are going okay in that cell what were the first problems you encountered um uh i started falling out a little bit with the boss of that wing because it was a bit of a dick or layer he's dead now as well was that a natural death no he got killed shot is that later on in your story uh i don't know if i mentioned that actually because he got released and shot like the second day out of the prison oh well because he just pissed so many people off and yeah and and talked to that many people in the prison he was just a little [ __ ] um so to appease him i i decided to buy someone i wanted to buy a sell anyway yeah but down in guayaquil it was a little bit different whereas in quito if you bought a cell you could you you would retain it and you could sell it there when you when it came time to leave it reverted back to the gang the gang sold themselves i see so i bought myself like a grand and a half which is pretty [ __ ] empty yeah didn't eat much stuff just kidding out with some footage and tv and aircon unit and whatnot um uh yeah so that kind of shut him up so that money's gone you're not gonna get that sell back exactly the previous sell then did you get your money back for that one no lost all that money in kitakazawa in four cells lost in the chancellor lost about again about 20 grand 25 grand because i didn't need to stop so we keep going we got three cameras one just went down yeah i lost that money because i basically uh tried to get an english guy to sell the sales for me up there and he sold them used the money to get himself out of prison raymond if you're listening hopefully not i think it's dead now but we'll sneak yeah from london as well yeah it's all [ __ ] um so yeah couldn't really do any business in the prison in guayaquil because it was all controlled by the gang and they wouldn't allow foreigners to do anything so you can't get your hustle on no i did eventually uh just took a little bit longer yeah um the cell that you moved into what was that like um it's fairly basic i mean you didn't really need much there because it was a lot warmer than keto so you know i was living on my own played the gang said look i want to live on my own don't want anyone living with me it's much better no hassle do what you want then um quite a bit bigger than the ones in quito there was a big window i think i think the cells were probably built for like four people probably originally uh but there was a big open window just raw iron bars uh looking out onto an exercise yard uh built a mezzanine level so like i had a bed at mezzanine level at the dining area downstairs uh tv whatnot stuff like that how are you getting your food in there um basically got a hold would i think one of the other prisoners introduced me to a woman there who worked for church and she would she would bring in shopping for you money so i'd have money transferred to her name was mercedes so i still haven't very good friends with her uh so yeah you have your western union transfer to her tell her what you wanted in the way of shopping just bring in four or five bags of shopping every week wow did they run up pretty well did the romance blossom with her or did you take it oh no no she was like a older person like my second mother to me did you take advantage of the conjugal visit system um in guayaquil it wasn't really it was a bit different to keto they didn't have that thing where you where your girlfriend could stay over every night every other week sorry yeah on a saturday um cut hair flowing in front of my face um but uh a girl from manchester that i've met in quito and become very friendly with she came back to ecuador i can't remember why i think she was in the caribbean but flew down to equitable to see me anyway and stayed for a few nights in the prison with me which is really cool that is absolutely cool there's two things people look forward to the most in prison two of the things are visits and mail it's like gold so if you've got people out there in prison around the world at least drop them a letter yeah it's the highlight of the day isn't it what yeah what was how did they do mail call out there there was no mail call we didn't have that option either really i mean you could have letters sent but they would have to go via the embassy yeah and by that point the embassy were only coming in once every six months okay so it yeah mail was a the prison had no mail system so if the embassy bring it is it protected under the umbrella of legal mail then perhaps diplomatic mail i think i think they did used to open it if i can't remember correctly the embassy opened it or the prison yeah the embassy and then the prison problem okay so there were the security checks i can't as you remember yeah not sure all right so what challenges started to arise then in this new cell um it's going kind of okay and then this other gang the tornaros that i mentioned just now this was their sort of uh christening into the ecuadorian prison system i suppose at that point they weren't huge but they about 15 of them came into the prison and into the wing that i was on including their their their boss and his brother who i became very friendly with quite different to the people that were already running the prison the gang that were running the prison at the time the cubans were kind of more like street thugs and more street level crime whereas the cho and arrows when they came in they were more contract killing slightly better educated easier to get on with and yeah i got with them quite well actually um but it created tension on the wing because the cubanas thought that these guys were going to take over the prison which they were starting to very quickly actually because they're a lot heavier a lot stronger so they hatched a plot to kill them brought in a group of guys about 10 or 15 of them brought them into the wing killers and one night in october about 9 30 at night i'm cooking some food in the cell with a german friend another peter and um we started to sense that something was wrong on the wing we could see little groups of people like to having hushed conversations and weird movements and not many people out on the wing bearing in mind the cell doors were open 24 hours a day there never logged out unless you lock yourself in the cell so i um the trying to work it out one of the gang members from the choneros who was living next door to the boss of that gang asked me for a play of food i said okay no problem uh when i got the plate came back start you know i'm cooking food get it ready spaghetti bolognese and i take it down to him as i take it down to him there's another group from the cabana was waiting at the entrance the to the wing you know ready to kick off and i did i wasn't really aware of all this so i knock on the guy's door and they use this as an excuse to start the gunfight one of them comes up behind me and over my right shoulder shoots the guy that i'm giving the plate of food to straight in the face deafens me and i'm just like what the [ __ ] and running back to myself i mean the guy's you know yeah he's [ __ ] dead run back to myself dive through the door slam the door shirt the german guy proceeds to open the door again sticks his head out to see what's going on here what the [ __ ] are you doing pulling back in and that starts a two hour long gun battle on the wing between these two rival gangs two or three people end up dead 10 or 11 injured hand grenades going off and the police going off yeah hank grenada news he got discharged yeah yeah it was scary because by that point as well i have ended up getting in with these the tron errors and they'd put me in charge of selling the coke for them this is probably about two years into me being there so four years into the sentence um so having that association with them has put as has put a target on my back a bit so i'm expecting the door to come through anytime now and someone to shoot me as well because i'm literally living in front of the bosses the the cell in front of me is where the boss's brother's living and i'm shouting to him whilst all this is going on carlos are you right and he's shooting out the top of his door and there's bullets bouncing off the ricocheting off the walls and oh it was terrific when it was all over the police came in after two hours of all this mayhem the police came in and started it started again torturing everybody got us all out all on the ground lying you know face down on the on the on the concrete floor just beating the hell out of everybody to find out what had gone on taking people in cells discharging m16s up against their heads drowning them electrocuting them i mean it's just people screaming and crying all these tough gang leaders you know as soon as the police come in they're in tears crying getting being half killed so this is four hours of a sheer terror now and at the end after the police move out the the prison guards get us all together and they'd ex they basically executed one of the gang leaders in uh the the exit way to the to the exercise yard was the width of herself so they got one of the gang leads and then they'd executed him they shot him twice in the stomach and during the during the gunfight we could hear him he's crying out for his family and please saying please don't shoot me i've got family and the other guy's going we've got your [ __ ] leader we're going to kill him now and then after half an hour the guy pleading not to be killed they said [ __ ] this do you know what we're going to kill this guy just shot him in the head a couple of times and that was that but the amount of blood the guy was quite big the amount of blood covered about the half the air say the width of the cell is like from here it covered half of that and they heard it 130 of us into this space so you know from here to the end of the studio 130 people crammed into there standing in this guy's blood as a lesson and then whipped us with the cat and nine tails coming out there soap to pair my trainers in the guy's blood which i had to throw away like literally about that deep in blood and this smell that's what you don't forget the smell of the blood the iron oxidizing it's just that sweet sickly look at that not nice that was just one incidence this that was one of the bad ones but this is i told you the beginning this was going to get going crazy town and that's just one incident and we're out two hours right now and i think that's a good point to pause it because peter earlier said he will be willing to come back to do a part two my voice is a bit hokey with all these live streams right now suffering as well so um let us know in the comments if you would like peter to come back let us know in the comments questions you may have for him about what's happened so far and what's going to come 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