Piers and Alex Clash Over Prince Harry and Meghan’s Accusations of Racism | Good Morning Britain

it's important of finding a different way to explain not to you but to so many people on why what is being said is so wrong right i i i walked into this i've i've walked into institutions as the only person of color yeah and experience cover and over racism on so many occasions and why the megan interview really resonates with me is because an ex-work colleague not of this show asked me if i was worried about the shade of coco that my son was going to come out right so i fully understand the hurt that is behind all of that right let me when you're mixed race what you find in my personal experience and there may be other people that may come forward and say this is that when you are a lighter shade of black people gain confidence and feel that they can say things to you that they wouldn't say to a black person that's such an interesting point and that is my experience of all of this right and by the way by the way i completely respect that right and that's why i wanted to get you on the program today it was my suggestion to have you want to talk about this but please i i and and thank you so much for having me on the program i really appreciate it but i just want you also to be aware of the power of your words and i'm not saying that you're a racist but what what are you saying why do you know what i honestly feel i feel is though because of your previous relationship with meghan markle you're you've started a relationship you met up with her you knew her and you knew her briefly so we've joked about it on the show all that did was i'm allowed to speak okay talk all that did was inform me that she's a bit of a cut and run right right throughout her life and all her family her father her ex-husband her ex-friend right they've all been cut out of her life right and it's an interesting observation that i happen to be one of those interesting observations let me i do feel like can i finish the situation you are struggling can we talk about the program it doesn't really matter what i think of meghan markle doesn't matter whether i believe her or not what matters is the damage that she is accused of doing to the royal family let me ask you honestly on the issue of race she has now got the whole of america and the worst of the world frankly looking upon the palace the monarchy the queen everyone in the royal family as a bunch of racists and it all comes down to two things that she said in the interview one is something she didn't hear but harry reported back to her right that a senior member of the royal family that wasn't the queen or prince philip so presumably is either charles or william we would hazard a guess has made a comment to harry about what color skin his baby may be if the relationship progresses about the way in which that was that's my question for you she said there was concern harry didn't say that and my question for you is this and it's a straight question i think a lot of people are asking because you've been in this position yeah right and you've been you've been equally offended on the receiving end of that is there is there a qualitative difference between somebody perhaps innocently saying to you out of interest if you have one parent is white one parent is black now what what color could your baby let me finish what color could your baby be is there a difference between that question phrased in that innocent perhaps way and somebody doing it in a tone that says well how dark is your baby going to be in a derogatory and perhaps racism exactly and there is a difference but what we're getting from the interview is that it was said in a negative way he said that but he didn't did he listen stop separating harry and megan they they are a team quite clearly yeah a very strong team and i do believe that she backs him up and he backs her up right so and and like i said tone and language is everything is there a key word the key word was are you worried right yeah right okay but that to me is a big difference that to me is racist but that's what it is do you think it's racist it's a legitimate question many people have asked is it racist do you think if for argument's sake it was william or charles it's not putting into this person we don't know and part of the problem i know you agree with me about this be easier if they just said who it was right right i'll come to that but is there a difference if it was said perhaps in all innocence right and they just said what color baby might you have without any suggestion of it being a concern or a worry if it had darker skin would that in itself would just the question be racist and that in itself is fine but you have to think about how it feels on the receiving end because what we're speculating is has as to how that message i don't know how it was communicated right what would they do is if it was not if it was done as a worry or also have to take into consideration how it felt the other thing that we always have to think about and i've publicly said this on twitter piers i agree with you now that i feel that they should have named the person because all it's led to is all of us asking loads of questions and i personally am looking at the royal family as to which one could who's the racist who's the racist but but but again we have to also just take a step back do you know how much courage it takes to actually speak about racism to actually call it out because i've been in situations where i haven't called out every single bit of racism that's happened to me based on how i've been treated or how it was handled in the past because you're worried about a backlash and you're also worried about a backlash and there will be people that will treat harry and megan differently because they've spoken out okay but this is the whole thing we've got to get comfortable talking about the uncomfortable and that's why it's important for me and you to have this conversation let's just not just make it personal it's fine it's not pro you made it well let's move on you know what we talk we talk personally about um you know people on this show and we give our opinions on them don't we so actually sometimes it does come back at you we have to be you know it's fine it's just the way it was done we can disagree about that let's move on well i don't think people really care too much about you and me anymore it's like what i'm talking about me and you and i'm not here because well that's not talking about me and you then let's move on to the second part of their charge of racism meghan markle said that there was a decision taken by the palace to stop archie being a prince based on his potential skin color that is completely untrue that's just not true now the damaging effect of that plus whatever may have been said to harry and we don't know what it was or the context and we don't know who said it but it was those two things have detonated a ma as you know a racially charged bomb at the palace which is almost impossible for them to refute because they don't talk in public about this kind of thing and people aren't probably going to believe them even if they do now but that's what concerns me is that the first part of that allegation we don't know any of the details or who said it or how they said it and the second one is completely untrue megan just got it wrong archie hasn't been prevented from being a prince because of his skin color and that's been now believed by americans on national television there and that is damaging but again do you know what it's their lived experience and no it's not true well that appears it's their lived experience and again this is this is where the confusion comes in because you know how do you sometimes identify covert racism it's actually quite hard because it's not therefore but alex on that one it's not true is there are facts right and what alex is saying is there is an experience and a perception of those facts that you only appreciate when you're in that situation i'm sorry on that section i agree if it turns out let me make it crystal clear where i stand on this if it turns out that a senior member of the royal family a future king perhaps of this country we don't know who it is i don't want to cast the aspersions are being cast because they won't say but they have eliminated the queen and prince philly so they've gone half which i think is incredibly unfair on the ones who are left but say is a future king that said this in a derogatory way we can't have a racist king we can't so that to me would be racism but the second part of the charge that harri that archie has been banned from being a prince because of his skin color is just untrue it's nothing to do with racism the fact itself on which she's based that that claim is not true except her perception appears to be that it might have well it's like me saying the sky is blue outside my perception is it's raining it's you can't muck around with facts she got the facts wrong on that it's been demonstrated today in every paper that fact is simply untrue there's been no discrimination against archie in terms of being called a prince because of his skin color because he's not entitled at the moment to be called a prince just the rules of the palace set by except a hundred years ago she's explaining her experience exactly she's explaining her experience of it and you know what we've not walked in her shoes so i wouldn't i don't care what my experience is to your to perception you know not about a faction or not and but and that's and that's also coming through but alex on that one you're not entitled okay but what i don't care about her feelings but what concerns me what concerns me more is the comment about the color of the baby's skin right okay we've you know we all feel passionate about different things yeah okay you know we've not even uh you know spoken about the you know mental health and and we're coming to well we'll come to that but you know it's it's it's really important that we have these conversations because what i've noticed on twitter you know uh particularly over the last few days is that this you know this this this this uh interview and what's happening with the royal family the ripple effect is huge huge to the point where it's me and you're and i want to talk about it and and i do feel is so you know yeah of course if if we find out who it is i'm sure you know you will be right behind me and i'll be right behind you yeah you know talking about how wrong it is and how you know no question no question whatsoever but what i find is that people are are you know don't always want to accept that it's a possibility that something like this has happened and and this is the thing with with racism right racism isn't always caught on camera racism isn't always a black man lead on the floor with a white police officer's knee in his neck it comes in all different shapes is the same energy that we have back in the summer right now yes but okay but let me just put a little dampner on this right one of the two charges of racism perhaps the most incendiary that actually he was being discriminated against because the queen decides all the titles so what she was basically saying is the queen's a racist who stopped archie being a prince because of his skin color we know that is completely untrue so i don't know i don't know that the queen's a racist i don't i would like to think that the queen is not a racist right i don't think she is my point is this okay but he's obviously got a difficult relationship but alex this is no ordinary family appears because you know as we heard from alexander do you accept that do you accept on that point megan just got it wrong i like i said i am not an expert on royal protocols right i am not an expert the experts have all said unanimously they've all said but again they said something different appears i haven't i'm happy to listen to both sides but they feel a certain way they feel that oh actually hasn't been given a title exactly so because of the color is good swelling we know that's not true well hang on a moment so princess but you don't know that it's not true but no think about it can we just talk about this particular fact if it's if we if we think about the possibility that what they're saying is true and that they were worried about how dark archie would be it's also a possibility that they might not want him to be a prince they might not want him to have a title and the thing is shock horror these things happen in life unfortunately this is the way it goes sometimes everyone's acting like they're fully surprised i can't say that i'm fully surprised to hear these allegations uh you know and and it is important to you know to to realize that sometimes you know what we don't even know we've got these problems in our family you might have an all-white family and one day someone of color walks in i would like and you find that i know yesterday that's why that's what i'm saying we've had we have conversations on the show we have conversations of the show okay and i don't feel that you are a racist i'm sorry and if people say to me pierce morgan he's i will i will 100 say i don't have a racist bone in my body because my i'm i'm judging you on my experience of you and my experience of you is not that right okay but that's why but that's why i just feel is though the stance that you were taking on it yesterday was so strong i just feel that it was slightly clouded by the fact that you've had an experience with her and actually what this is really about is the fact that you don't like meghan markle and that's okay you know what and it's okay that meghan markle might not be perfect all that did it might be a little bit difficult i did not know her that well all it did was inform me that she has a bit of a streak in her where she cuts people out of her life when she moves on that's fine she's entitled to do that but she's done it to her whole family apart from her mum we've got a dad coming on now he's been disowned and she's got a track record of it which i just personally find is informative about her personality you

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Published: Tue Mar 09 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/DjangoDeployed]

"Stop separating Meghan and that prince" (paraphrasing)

Gee how terrible to look at them as individuals

[u/MisfitJimmy]

Sacked for telling the truth. Princess Pushy and the thick one need to go. They say they want privacy but have PR and global interview with Oprah. They dishonor the royal family. Just go already.

[u/KarlGreenMagic]

do we like Piers ?!?!

[u/Demser1]

Harry & Meghan (Royal family also) just trying to find favoured relevance in the current political climate because it $ELL$

[u/daydreambelieverof91]

I agree with him. She’s full of shit.