Patrick O'Dell | The Nine Club - Episode 286

well we are back huh we're back at the nine Club everybody today we have a very special he's shaking his head special guest Mr Patrick Odell is with us how are you dude I'm pretty good yeah thanks for coming dude yes I'm nervous I feel like I like being behind the camera better we all know you from behind the camera I mean you've been up behind the camera a long time you know um from your days at Thrasher New York the vice VBS even you know which is interesting I want to get into a lot of that epically later stuff because it's fascinating what you made from a Blog into a show so definitely talk about all that but for those of you out there in TV YouTube land I just want to mention that Heath kirchart is sitting here behind the scenes right here maybe I'm on the show one day we have we have high hopes that that will be the case uh so thanks for coming are you currently in Oakland Oakland yes nice dude how do you like it out there I love it for the um um the geography like they're like 10 minutes from my house there's a hike you can hike through redwoods really I've been going camping a lot and Oakland I don't picture camping and and Hiking Oakland I picture just yeah driving and walking and a bunch of others riding the part yeah right in the Box yeah I think the Oakland that I knew back when I lived in SF and from skating it's probably the same Oakland in the skatable areas but yeah there's a redwood forest oh and and I go hiking sometimes in um Marin and okay just be at Bay Area is beautiful so do you like you you're a nature guy you like to be outdoors and all the nature stuff yes okay was it is it moving up there for work or just like I'm gonna yeah okay a work thing what's what's up with work it's my wife's work oh nice I feel like it's kind of a random place to move for to Oakland kind of but yeah I wasn't filming epically later okay when you were filming epically later I mean we should talk about I mean we could talk about how you got your start and all this you know um group growing up and then you know getting uh like your first job was Little Caesars Pizza okay taking photos for him or their website making pizzas okay okay and um have you ever had Little Caesars Pizza Pizza yeah yeah five for five or five for two it's always two pizzas they don't deliver yeah they have a little it's like a they have it's you just get five dollar pizzas there it's almost like a little kiosk because they have the crazy stick with the Crazy Bread yeah whatever dude that I remember that bro that was really good when you were when I was younger yeah definitely hit the spot my first skate job I got a job at Woodward skate camp as a dishwasher because they were like you can stay for free and skate if you wash dishes oh wow and I was like I think I went as a camper starting Woodward Pennsylvania yeah and I went as a camper and then I met some people that were like we're the dish dogs and they let you stay for free if you wash dishes and I was like yeah I'll do that any every kid's dream yeah right I guess that's not a job if you're not getting paid maybe you get like a hundred dollars and whatever and extend your stay you get to stay yeah and you do two shifts a day it's either breakfast or lunch dinner wash the dishes and you get to skate the rest of the time how old were you then sort of bed probably 17. amazing 18 16 17. okay so the other dish dogs Scott pizzelle was a dish dog with me no way wow and he ripped oh yeah always ripped he was like blowing everyone's mind crazy so we so Woodward first job dishwasher right but uh Columbus Ohio is that right you grew up there yes and then um where did you go from Woodward well oh I went to call I went to San Francisco art institute to study photography and fine art but at this point in time were you already taking photos of skating though yeah so San Francisco seemed like the a good move yeah it was like I think I I wanted to you know attend college study art whatever but I also was thinking like I had met Bryce canites I had met some people in skated and I thought I'm gonna be Escape photographer I'm gonna go there and just lurk around with my camera and shoot photos outside of school outside of like homework and is that exactly what you did yeah I'd already Bryce I met Bryce canines at Woodward okay and he's like and I gave him my little like skate Zine oh you were making scenes he was the photo editor Thrasher and he's like oh I would print this photo I'd print that photo like send me pictures and they printed a few things here and there really and then I moved to SF as you know just get out of Ohio be escaped photographer right I had like crappy equipment and would shoot with kind of like sponsored level skaters and send them but Thrasher of course if you were NSF they didn't need me because they had Luke Ogden and they had Gabe Morford and they had all these people so I ended up sending pictures to different magazines like strength which was in Cincinnati probably slap is stealing no slap didn't leave me yeah oh I didn't think it through I was like oh they won't if I move there they won't need me because I already got people but so wait so you were how long were you in sf4 four years four years so you got in good with them because then you moved to New York right and that's when you really became like staff photographer for them right yeah because they didn't have a East Coast person um see that's that's a ticket right yeah I didn't do it on purpose I think I just had a girlfriend I had a girlfriend in New York and I was like all right I'm going to the yard huh and then so what did they say like hey we just we need somebody out there we'll put you on staff yeah Burnett hooked it up got you super so damn you went from SF when you and SF who you was taking photos of like were you taking photos like Sava and like Scott Johnston and all these people or what not Scott Johnson I think he was Pro level Maybe just right like whoever I could what year what time frame was this 95 to 99. so I have pictures of like Mike York or Spencer Fujimoto nice um it's almost like the end of like the old ENB era man I had one that would have been so good but it came out blurry which was of Shamil Randall doing like a backside nose grind on the higher BlackRock okay like so on top of it and I remember it came out blurry because I sucked it and I always think about that one like that would have been a sick photo if I knew what I was doing and I think I didn't have the real fisheye because it was too expensive and I had the 24 millimeter lens which is like when it it distorts everyone in the in the sides you know if someone's heads in the corner their heads distorted it's just like the shitty lens for shooting skate photos at this time was EMB still a thing or was this more like Pierce pure seven yeah gotcha so you missed the whole but I would just lurk and shoot Escape photos if I could right and shoot portraits of people I mostly like shooting portraits that's it okay so I have tons from back then you know whoever well it's interesting because you came up with a book recently Big River right uh your trip down the uh Mississippi right with uh with Heath and a couple other people how come you've never done a photo book with all these rad headshots that you have and everything I've done little zines but I'm actually working on one man you are yeah amazing so we CR we we kind of not rushed this one out but I got this out because I made a I'm doing a book with a publisher and it's the my blog epically layered not the show the blog the blog blog yeah turned into a book interesting so we're working on it now nice let me ask you a question about that because for people that don't know epically later was a Blog that you first it was like kind of the first skate blog that kind of took off right how did you just is it archived or something because it was this a Tumblr thing or what was this no it's hosted by Yahoo I guess but I just pay the bill every month still I don't I don't I do it I don't know if I could if I wanted to but I pay it's still up there six dollars a month it's a couple times it's a couple times I've forgotten to pay or my credit card changed and then the site disappeared and someone would email me and be like hey your site's down and then I would go in and change my credit card try to figure out oh my God so tell us the story behind uh epically later blog because again it was kind of the first scape log that took off um but what's the name behind epically later I heard you didn't even like that name in the beginning yeah now I'm used to it but we I was on a skate trip with a bunch of friends and you know how you I'm sure you've had this you go on a trip and you start having words for the trip okay the things you think are funny sure and these guys I was on the trip with they kept saying later like somebody was like it it originated one of them worked at a construction site and a bunch of people were complaining and he's like oh I later those guys and he said later to him because they were being annoying or whatever so we kept saying later and then we kept saying epic which I think we were using ironically like kind of like a bro way so everything was either epically epic or later the whole trip and so anyway when I was at the URL trying to think of names I had all these name ideas for the blog and they kept you know I wanted the.com and they kept being taken so I put it epically layered in it it was there but that's also because the word epically is spelled wrong um this ep's epic i a l y I think is the correct spelling did you purposely Miss no no clue I didn't even know for like a long time and then later it's not a real word so right right okay what do you remember any of the the names that you wanted to call it like what was the top of the list do you remember oh this is embarrassing probably I would like I think I was gonna call it skateboard showcase because I liked um like when you go into a like a vintage store or something there'd be like a Showcase with jewels or something I don't know it was like showcase I like epically later yeah yeah I I I've now gotten used to it but it took maybe 10 years wow why 10 years though I mean this was the most popular thing in skateboarding yeah for a long time I think I guess it's just names because I think there's a lot of stupid names in skating and I guess you just get used to them like isn't it Thrasher kind of stupid or Baker but you just get used to it this is true like even when girls skateboards started I was like and then but you got right you get used to pretty quick even nightclub it took me a while to kind of start saying the name because it's just you know something new I guess you can get used to it yeah but not 10 years you know no all right so [Applause] we have this blog now epically later you're pushing it you're doing it and then tell us how the VBS got involved because I was sitting back I was sitting trying to Rack my brain of I was sitting there like where the hell was epically later was it on a YouTube channel was it on and then I remember VBS I was on like a live stream and we were trying to remember VBS and so you've always been with Vice which I found interesting so I like doing the blog because when I was in art school you'd have a box of photos and you maybe show them to some people or you make a scene and the blog was great because suddenly a lot of people could look at it right and you could tell little stories and I liked that aspect of it the storytelling part of it and I stopped working at Thrasher and took a job advice as the photo editor and my boss beat you well they launched VBS as like their platform I think later they changed the name back to just vice TV or whatever but they suggested I do a skate show and I think it was because no one else working there had like had skate connections um or what I don't know why but they just like you can do the skate show but this is where I'm confused can you just clear this up for me because like I I feel like you started in 2004 but Vice VBS started in 2007. am I tripping on that or were you already launched with my show it launched with your show a VBS VBS did okay so that was in 2007. yeah I don't you don't remember years a year it's New York real party and I don't remember [Music] the yeah at launched with the show it launched with Dustin Dolan first episode I thought it was cardiel no really Dustin Dolan okay I filmed I filmed a couple first and I think I filmed Billy Rohan first oh wow and so we did a billy Rohan episode it's like a pilot but then we launched with Dustin Dolan and Billy's was maybe like the fourth nice just saved it a little bit Yeah but we had a different concept going and um and we were gonna think of a new name for it and we couldn't think of a name and then they were like just call it epically letter did you know what you were getting yourself into at that time in terms of like this is it it like I said before it got to be the one of the biggest things in skateboarding and you were covering the biggest skateboarders around like no I did too yeah I was picturing it like skate TV on Nickelodeon like we're gonna do skits we're gonna hey we're going to Zoo York the look how boards are made oh you had a whole different idea for this a little bit a little more skate TV that was the time skate TV definitely had a moment and then so Dustin Dolan's is a little like we're going to the store to buy pants and then we're going to a bar and then we're gonna get a tattoo it was just kind of like and those things all seemed like Dustin Dolan would do in a regular day yeah it was like day in a life like we're just doing a day in a life and like a four on one skate TV kind of thing and then I did deals oh here you are right here oh God coming out of the bar right here I I was going to say that that was the those pet store we go to it's called it's called trash and Vaudeville and this guy who worked there Jimmy I believe his name was that guy uh-huh and it's funny because he appears in um Jim Greco's episode we go back to the same story that makes sense yeah now you have relationships with all these people right I mean you were going you went on the first Baker tour yeah ever and you went on Baker tours after that which I heard kind of sparked the whole epically later thing is that true like just being on Baker tours and stuff so I I happened upon the baker tour they were in Philly okay and I just was like you guys don't have a photographer can I come and it turned out they didn't even have room in their van for their team like they just met in Philly it started in Philly and so then they needed me to come in order to put more people because they couldn't fit everyone in the van right so in my car I had Terry Kennedy Knox Godoy then I was in the kids room no and one night they were torturing me so much somebody knocks good away or somebody put like shaving cream in my suitcase oh my gosh oh yeah I was getting bullied by the little kids I wrote the article and I was again I I was pretty like average skate photographer but I really liked the telling the story I was like this is insane these dudes are insane this is different I like the big brother magazine when it started and I was kind of inspired by this idea that you know that you're like the let you're gonna tell tell the story you're the lens you're kind of like I'm the average person and I'm with these interesting people and I'm gonna communicate the story I'm here to tell it yeah right so I went on the trip and I talked so much [ __ ] on them oh cause Reynolds was drinking and was in that like in the hotel lobby crying and got in a fight and Jay Strickland called him buzz kill chick salt cop magnet and I would put that in the story like oh Reynolds was crying and then this happened no this these kids and I thought Andrew was gonna be mad at me and I saw him at Tampa because I didn't know him that well I saw him at Tampa and I was like a little nervous like this dude's gonna be pissed because I was like airing them out and he's like I love that article sickest thank you so much and then he started bringing me on everything he liked the story do you even know he if he read it if he just liked the photos I think he liked I think he liked because I think the truth because yeah because Andrew I think is like me like Andrew told me that he's more Andrew's like I'm boring and if I hung out with 20 more of me it would be born I just grabbed fun people and crazy people and people's weird looks and stuff and that's who I want around me and I feel a little bit the same way okay okay so that Baker tour and you went on many other Baker tours but that got you I mean I could see where an idea of like filming all this would come into play of like doing a story about Dustin and a story about uh Ellington and all these people because sometimes sometimes when I was shooting skate photos I think they remember sitting at the bottom of some stairs and being bored like oh this is slicky and I remember beagle even getting bummed at me like you don't seem like you are that stoked on this like don't you get stuck like we I remember shooting something I remember thinking it was kind of not that interesting okay you know it's like three in the morning you're just like in Piss cheers and I just remember thinking like yeah I guess I'm not that passionate about the action aspect of this but I was passionate about the the storytelling and so when I got the opportunity to do the show and there were other documentary type shows that I've watched and I loved like documentaries [Music] that some of the early ones were a little superficial but I think it was the Jason Dale one which would be like the fourth or fifth one we I called World Industries and was like is it okay if I use this footage from like a one-on-one video and they were like yeah sure go ahead and I and this was before YouTube so I was thinking nobody's seeing like we're going to digitize this VHS tape and we're gonna sprinkle it over him talking and I didn't know that we were allowed like that was something that we could do and then that changed the direction of the show I'm allowed I'm allowed to use this stuff and all the companies we're just like sure use whatever you want yeah I mean it's kind of the wild wild west back then right I mean even for music you know what about when you were filming things was it like literally you filming and asking questions or they have someone filming for you well that episode that we just showed fat Bill or Bill strobe was filming okay so Bill strobeck filmed some of the early ones but I think Vice didn't want to pay any budget like my show they weren't that I don't know it's hard to get budget were you getting paid yeah I gotta pay okay when it came out but they weren't giving me a production budget so they're paying you for the just the final product you gotta flip the bill for everything I mean they paid bill but maybe it was like 200 bucks or something and it just it was a barrier to get a maid so they gave me a little camera with a little lav mic and I just would start shooting as best I could okay so that's why I can't really watch a lot of the UPS they like I I'm embarrassed by how they're shot sometimes but the editors did an amazing job of turning it and polishing it into something really great so you would film it you would give all this stuff to the editors were you were you working closely with editors like hey we need to get this video on top of this you were directing it so to speak sometimes so I I don't know I was lucky there's this woman named Lauren cinnamon who was our editor and she's a genius and oh she would I think if I tried to direct she just kicked me out of the room because he likes skedaddle because there were times where I'm too stoked on the source material there was a point we did the cardiel episode right and it's like oh you gotta talk about the drop in on Burnside you got to talk about the gold rail you got to talk about ali Miley you got to talk about this one slam you got and she just said can you just pick one like we're not gonna talk we can't make this that long you just got basically she wasn't a skater she wasn't as like invested in that sense right and and so she made smart decisions because I think if it was up to me because I think the Dustin Dolan episode I tried to edit it a little myself okay and I end up with a three-hour thing and they can be like I can turn this into a good like a solid five minutes eight minutes interesting because that left up to me well you kind of need that but at the same time you're leaving so much out right and but I think it worked for us because people wanted more at the end true I can't wait till next week I'll watch it tomorrow and did you have it in your mind maybe like hey I can go follow up with Dustin Dolan I can go follow up with cardio we could do a number two and number three yeah and I I wanted it to be weekly to this day right now I want it to be weekly I would still be doing them weekly so I was like oh this could be something where we just pop in on people every kind of like your show your show but that you know I was like this could be a weekly thing hmm did you have to okay for them to like cool we're gonna do a Josh Kayla's episode for like we're gonna do like six of them no they didn't they didn't know who any skaters were so I felt like I could have made somebody up oh wow that would have been amazing yeah seriously you should have done that but like but you said you did like an eight minute one at first with Dustin Dolan when was the decision like oh I'm gonna do a bunch of series I think they they were getting lots of views and it was one of the more views shows on there yeah so they were like well people are watching let's let them because I think there were a lot of times where they're like these need to be three minutes easy and then kind of the formula back then too though that's why we chopped them up so cardiel was like an hour and 20 minutes and it was like 16 parts or something didn't say it and like broke it up over each week yeah so each part was five minutes maybe not 16 Parts maybe I mean the total was an hour and 20 minutes hour and 20 minutes just maybe 16 is the wrong way it was eight I don't know but it was chopped into six minute parts that's crazy that's amazing thing I mean to think about that now because there is a balance between you know right it's short form and long form they both go if they're good right I mean Vice is putting have been putting stuff out on the website like the new you know the musk uh episode and they've been like re-uploading stuff but I'm like looking at how that interview on the counter shot like I'm sitting there with like the camera in my lap and it's shaking yeah and I think there's a few shots where I do the white balance while he's talking and the editors just covered it all up and I guess cardiel's so engaging you don't notice but sometimes I watch these I'm like couldn't you get a tripod or but that's what's so raw about it though bro I think that's like the best I think especially now in hindsight like that's that's the core thing about it and I think that's what people really enjoy you know what I mean especially in that time yeah because it's like wearing John's living room right we're fishing around in his basement I'm just following him around with the camera yeah you feel like I'm flying the wall yeah I feel like the the person you get interviewed feels more comfortable and also I mean there's huge television shows now that do handheld shaky stuff Curb Your Enthusiasm uh arrested um development like all these shows now for sure they just have bad camera Ops because sometimes I think cardio I think somebody should remake this like cardio is so amazing and I did my best and we filmed this this is over the course of a week like I flew to he flew to SF literally spent one day with him and then one day I got Julian and Phelps maybe Mickey or somebody you know and then I can't remember who else in this supporting that you saw that it showed Danny White anyway it was like over the phone I just did my best but part of me is like oh maybe somebody should enough times past that are like a feature-length cardiel documentary would you ever want to do something oh I would do it yeah but you know I'm just sad I mean I mean were you just getting people to were you just cold calling people or were you using I got so since I had dill and so I guess it was Dustin sorry Dustin then Spanky maybe the dill Billy Rohan and maybe Reynolds I called them and are specifically I'd never met John but I called him I was like hey can I do an episode of my show and he said that he's like well if you did one on Reynolds it must be good he hadn't even watched it amazing he just referenced that Reynolds did it so he'd do it that's what's so sick about skaters like the the gauge on who did it to know like oh okay that sounds cool man and I don't yeah the stamp early on yeah I don't think he knew how not that it was definitive though but that we were coming over to make like an hour and a half long thing right it just you know we just started rolling and got what we got but cardio cardio can sustain an hour and a half sure yeah what so you're the you said the editors you handed it off to an editor so the editor skate at all no so I'm pretty impressed by like how the old footage you got and you gave them everything and they put it together they work as like almost directors and I had a team there was a guy who a guy named Chris Grosso who had all the tape he came to came in one time and just brought in all the vhs's and so he became in charge of archival wow you know so I would go film and then I would hand it to them he would look at all the archive all the skate bags all the videos and then she would edit and then I would be out on the road shooting accumulating and obviously you'd get the final say on the edit maybe make some changes here and there but yeah yeah but usually they did such a good job it was just like oh damn all right you killed it man it must have been nice to have a team like that like early on I mean imagine if you had to do everything yourself if you had to do the thing edit it get the archivals like your once a week is is I think if I didn't I think if I did it myself they would be way longer and maybe people you know sometimes you open a YouTube and it says like an hour and a half and you go ah yeah every time I see our show on it I'm like oh my God three hours but yeah I know what you see I know yeah but no but now yes though yeah it depends on who it is for sure epically later started to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger obviously they're starting to break them up into sections like I don't know how much they're paying you back then to to drop off an episode to them but is at any point they're like are you just kind of like hey I need to get paid more this is this is on your guys's best show yeah my beef about money was just I didn't need the work was its own reward for the stuff I wanted to do like I wasn't really nickel and Diamond about a cardiel episode but sometimes somebody from like the business side would be like hey so we've been talking I mean I guess I can air it out I don't know but they'd be like hey we wanted I've been talking to Nike and they want to do one where Paul Rodriguez looks at the the material that went into the shoe would you be interested in going down and talking with the designers about the shoe and I was like how much money do I get right they were like what do you you still get your same flat rate you still get your rate I was like if you guys are doing that I want a piece and there were a few episodes where I started they were getting annoyed with me because I wouldn't do because I was like why would like I'm passionate about a cardio or a Jason dill or Gino annucci I'm like this is what I want to be doing why would I take a break from that for the same money to something not that I have anything against p-rod but it was like the um the Shilling product side right that I'd be like and there that happened a number of times Maybe and I would always ask for a cut and they would just deny me well they're showing their cards it's like what do you like you know you know what they're doing so it's like right that's why you're saying what you're saying it's like come on man and then yeah so that was the only financial beef is I just wanted to I mean you know what is you'd almost you'd do it for free if it's what you love totally totally yeah so I don't know again I can't even stress how how amazing the epically laters were um and again they were just a fly on the wall type thing and I think that's what drove people in because back then we didn't really get to see our favorite skaters in the light that you showed them no and I think that that is really like what made it special you know yeah I think skaters I tried to I won it at one point I want to do this with musicians or something like this with artists whoever actors people are so guarded and skaters aren't maybe some are now but I failed even back then they were guarded though they weren't doing as they were putting themselves out there I don't know but none of them seem to give a [ __ ] I would just show up with a camera drive around in the car and nobody seemed to be editing or worrying about it right right because you know what they're in their space though it's awesome yeah in their comfort zone I also picked people though that I knew yeah that they would it would be good like you know Dill is unfiltered you're gonna get you're gonna get some stuff no one's really doing that though at all if you really think about who was really going around filming these Pro skaters like not just skating just skating is different but like behind the scenes because we're also talking about two this is 2007 this is when it started when it came out I started thinking about the the thing I was thinking about previous was on video I was kind of doing head skate docks so I felt like when we started I was like an on video shadow interesting but they were more polished though yeah I get points for it being janky I think so I know in the beginning I think I think so but they were like soup yeah it was definitely more polished of like there's a narrator over it telling certain facts there that it was like you were just showing facts in the and the person who interviewing was telling you that everything pause pause podcast okay I need to tell you guys that this episode is brought To Us by athletic greens we love athletic greens do this is gold in a box right I love this stuff with one delicious scoop of athletic greens you're absorbing 75 high quality vitamins and minerals Whole 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sometimes skating when you would watch X Games or something they would really try to sell the lifestyle like like rap and punk and about you know I don't know like sell it is this like edgy thing and I felt like let's take the skating serious like let's treat it as like sports and not as I don't know let's treat this like baseball or fine art or something and I thought the music could could kind of be cheesy corny cornify it almost a little bit Yeah because they had music in it and then I went in and they I could be like oh let's just not have music and then Spike separate meeting because suddenly I met with the editors and they were like hey guess guess what no music and it turns out it's Spike without me there had said yeah no music on this and did you even know Spike no I just well I met at one meeting with them and I was scared I went in the office and Jesse was like my boss brought spike in to talk and I don't think I had a moment to like fan out or say I knew who he was or anything as a skate nerd that's honestly blown as blown away as you could be sure as intimidated and excited to meet somebody but he's such a little sweetheart he really is I just was sat there on the couch scared I don't remember the conversation I just was he's like a blackout moment yeah I feel like we all have you know I guess if I feel like he's exactly was exactly the kind of person I would look up to or his trajectory would be I mean not that it's even comparable or possible but you just look at him as that's the person right like that's my number one person I looked up to in photog in skate photography I like the same music all the music videos he'd drop was like music I liked right down to Sonic Youth or the Breeders or whatever so anyway I was just completely almost horrified to meet him just you know Starstruck sure sure and then the so he was the boss on the show and he agreed that no music he agreed no music and then I probably didn't see him again you know for a long time but he would be behind this whatever how did you find that out you found that out after this someone someone just told me oh yeah Spike came in and said take the music off which is a breath of fresh air to you because you didn't even want the music so now you had this this verification from Spike Jones I think when you're editing it's easier to have music and make a little Montage than it is to like string out a story right like with talking you could kind of patch things up a little bit cover it up add some little sprinkles yeah you just put like a Led Zeppelin song and some skating and yeah whatever like we could add a Led Zeppelin song like this and have us just kind of like doing different moves right was there a different worth work ethic going into it when it was a bigger show yeah we so we went more pressure well one like you were saying I how I could have made up a pro they had to we had I had to come up with a list of the skaters we were gonna do and they really went over it oh yeah come like oh we don't think this scanner we do think this skater and so that was new how are they how are they dictating that were they looking at Google numbers yeah I came in but it was also because with the show sometimes there are shorter episodes a scatter Maybe would have you would have trouble making a 50-minute episode I think an hour is 50. so I remember getting to the end of bams and thinking oh this could be two hours and then he's accomplished a lot and then there's a couple that felt like we were stretching it to get to the moment and then it was hard because I feel like right now I would do an episode on say if I was like I'm gonna do one on Ocean Howe it'd be sick but it would probably be like 10 or 15 minutes yeah not you know I'm not trying to dis ocean hell but I'm just saying there was sometimes there's more skaters that were amazing and had a moment but I just remember feeling it was the the harmony Korean episode I remember feeling like oh also because we couldn't get the rights to use gummo like the the oh the the scenes from the movie yeah we couldn't use scenes from the movie so then all of a sudden it started to get paint we couldn't figure out how to get it to 50 minutes whereas bams yeah bams could have gone longer harmonies was it because he was younger also or is this was that Harmony Korean or was he older at that point I I forgot it was just it was just because I I we just had the idea I just wanted to do like I was saying how I want to do episodes on different types of people like say musicians and stuff I just thought it would be a fun ride especially how I looked up look up to spike for all the films he's made and I'm sure I look up for Harmony in the same way got you okay but it ended up being a stretch to get it to and then it became the season finale because we couldn't we were fighting with whoever owns gummo and it ended up being the season finale but uh they just probably wanted too much money huh I don't remember I just want a clip from the movie gosh and then oh and I remember we shot all our music Budget on spikes because we needed a Beastie Boys we needed Spike couldn't pull any strings right there come on Spike come on I can't remember what music but it was all the music videos he did right so then we had a lot we had to pay so that episode had um yeah I don't know Sonic Youth the Beastie Boys the Breeders and we just like dropped it all in and that was the budget for the whole season I I definitely want to go back to the older epically laters if you don't mind but since we're on the new stuff too um when they when you they got into the new stuff did you get a pay raise are we talking more money now are we talking like yeah a little bit more okay I mean I don't know it wasn't crazy gotcha I remember they had in my contract that it said I got an extra 500 if I appeared on camera wow I don't know but I was like all right I guess I'm doing intros because I tried to weasel out I tried to weasel out a lot of the intro like the cardiel I don't do the intro and there's a few alib Lalas I don't do an intro because I felt real self-conscious about it it was good because it gave continuity to the show for sure but I did I'm uncomfortable on camera I'm like sweating right now I'm uncomfortable and I remember that 500 was enough for I'm saying all right 500 500 bucks let me set the camera that's funny man so did you also I heard that you also had a stipulation in the contract where they couldn't fire you from your own show oh it was just when the show started since it was named after my blog right I hired an entertainment lawyer to write me up a contract that said that because I was worried about the name if we had called it skateboard showcase or whatever I wouldn't have cared right not that I was planning to do anything with it but um but this I like that though I just was thinking so I had an entertainment lawyer do the contract and then they just said sure like you once then so it was that I it was that they couldn't do a show called epically later without me got you so it was kind of funny because I felt like it a few times like say when I wouldn't do the materials in the Nike shoe episode they were their hands were tied well they were yeah they probably would have fired me because there were some other shows that I think the original creators got pushed out so they could do um like Toyota presents so you've heard of this happening in the past you're just like you know what I'm gonna get ahead of this it protected him okay it has happened right and then it was funny because I I'm making a book about my blog and we want to call it epically later and I wasn't sure whether I was allowed to and then I went in my somehow on my computer I finally found the contract and one of the carve outs was a book in the contract and I was like oh that's that was smart like like I could make t-shirts and I think it was Merchant which I'm never gonna make t-shirt book so you can't I can make a book called epically later because I but we can't make a new series called epically later I couldn't I don't think I mean maybe not they're bankrupt I could like if Thrasher was like too epically later maybe I could but yeah if I haven't because if if uh Vice is going bankrupt I mean if they're selling to somebody else then that I could see that as a problem that might be yeah you're open for sure I mean I don't know guarantee but I think that there is something there that like I one should probably like yeah move on if you like if I did a podcast called epically later would they come after me yeah wait so you sold it to them no no no I'm just saying we signed contract that I think kind of married ourselves to each other oh okay yeah so they couldn't steal it for me but I probably couldn't take it from them I said you have to look in the fine print to see if that's yeah I can't I can't read a contract I just hired a guy or somebody to do it yeah well it's contact that same guy yeah I don't know I mean I don't know I just listen I remember I think I had to pay something it came out you know what the lawyers it came out to like five G's or something and in 2007 money which was like a million dollars now yeah and I had I remember thinking like a first couple episodes like I'm still paying off that stuff you know paying off the lawyer so since it went bankrupt I mean they're shutting their doors essentially I don't know the full story it's behind what's going on over there but you recently had posted on your Instagram that they have all the tapes hmm yeah yeah I got I know I'm just saying like how do you personally feel about all this like this is how you're happy they had the tapes because I wasn't planning to do anything with them necessarily I don't want to like I mean price so much footage on those tapes there is never saw the light of day and one of the things is I didn't think about it at the time I mean so many people have like passed away true so it's you know a five hour Dylan interview of like two days with Jake Phelps in the car you know where we used a little bit of it but like oh there's probably so much good stuff and I just didn't want it so oh I did I did an interview with Jen gum and was like I don't know where the tapes are and then I was motivated to email advice somebody advice and be like hey do you have the tapes so they had the tapes they have all they had they had the pictures all to take yep because later I started shooting digital files so that those tapes are a certain era where it was on tape later it became like memory cards which I'm sure archived as well but I remember zooming in on the picture and part of me is like can you FedEx the tapes to me but I only won them just so that they're safe not necessarily to like well listen if the this is just me talking out loud but I mean if the opportunity arises to get those tapes and like you said like Dylan Reader footage like Jake Phelps stuff like even probably like Antoine and Baker stuff like That's History man that's skateboarding history dude I like you could put something together I had a dream at a point of re-editing them all chronologically so that it would be so so all the episodes are edited by person zoomed in on a person I was like what if we re-edited them chronologically through like a history of skating and not just like you have to intertwine oh wow right but but then when I look at the tape some of it's embarrassing I I get real self-conscious about some of the old tapes and I had an experience I don't re-watch them we put them out and I'm really excited to buy them I remember I'd watch them like six times like not just in the edit but when they finally dropped I'd watch them over and over and over and then once they were a couple days old I'd never look at them again and I was at Ali Bella when we filmed Ali balala he said oh he said his favorite skater was my Carol so he's like oh my Carol's my favorite skater let's watch the Mike Carroll epically later and he put it on and he put it on this huge flat screen and I was like like it was filmed so shitty it sucked like I I don't know I had to go into the other room and it was like getting really almost like upset watching it because in my memory it's an amazing episode and I crushed it and did a good job but when I am faced with the reality could have filmed a better part yeah that part wasn't done yet you know was there any episodes that never came out there was a few kind of false start episodes yeah you know where we like tried and just didn't go anywhere because you would do it on like certain teams but also obviously people so which one was there certain teams that didn't make the cut that make the cup you just never ended up making the whole episode or there was a couple yeah I don't know usually I would start to try to vet it before we started because I made the mistake of shooting and then finding out that the person had these boundaries that would make it weird or things they didn't want to talk about or things so I would kind of sometimes if an idea for an episode came out of a kind of um talk to them first and make sure we were on the same page before starting to work on it yeah but what was there anyone specifically was there any team or anyone specifically that didn't end up going through yeah for That season we I wanted to do a Grayson Fletcher episode and we filmed with him for a day or two yeah because I thought his family and his history and not just skating but surfing and his I guess his grandfather and they mean some of them skated the first Backyard Pools whatever and then it just didn't work out and there were a couple where we were we would I mean there's tons where you like ask people and they say no which is astonishing right because like you would think that epically later everybody would want to participate you know some people don't want to talk about themselves tell their story that's true I mean you just touched on just people not wanting to touch on certain aspects you know and that's we we experience that here you know which is I feel the pain it's it's very frustrating do people go okay these are the questions you're not allowed to ask sometimes sometimes I had that there was a pro skater I don't want to say their name because then I'd be airing the exact same thing I get you but there was a skater that I think is like a fascinating interesting Pro Skater former pro skater and he wanted to do an episode so I met up with him somewhere and was like Hey so do you want to talk about how you became a drug addict and like went to jail and like all the [ __ ] and they were like no like I don't want to talk about that so then I was thinking from a storytelling how do I explain why you're not a pro skater anymore and how do you explain to the audience that you just skipped over this huge part of their life right because true so I just thought okay I'm not interested yeah I didn't I don't even think I said it maybe I just ghosted him I'm just like this isn't going to be good yeah yeah and so when say for instance Ali balala dm'd me about his episode I mean that was I had to be like are you going to talk about Shane cross and right almost dying and him dying and he was like yes so I was like all right we'll do it yeah I understand because we kind of go through the same thing here some things aren't as big a deal it's like that you know you're just like oh you don't want to talk about that really like okay whatever and then you hear about it in the comments like they didn't ask about but some things are huge where you're like really you if you don't talk about that we can't there's what are we doing here yeah especially if it's like a major part that you know that people are almost expecting you to thought 100 you know yeah I think that's when it gets a little like it's it's tough because sometimes people expect things I remember a couple where people expect things that I felt were too inside baseball and they were like why does he talk about why he doesn't skate for Thunder Trucks anymore you're like does anyone you know things like that that's not what this is about bro you don't skate for did you show a pack company every episode of the person did you show it to him no never showed them beforehand we tried to avoid it but did you have anyone being like yeah we had some people that would demand to see it in this we tried to Swerve it as best we could yeah was there anyone that wasn't happy with their episode yeah I had people mad at me really really a number of people but that but they're they're on how much can you tell without them I mean are you how well I've just had people that I feel like watched it and maybe there was a backlash or maybe they didn't like how and then blamed me that maybe I'd cut it to make them look bad which I don't I would say I would say I didn't do that right but I thought she weren't editing right I wasn't editing but I'm just saying but at the end of the day it's his show he's in control no I totally get that but I just think people there were times where maybe maybe it's putting a mirror up to somebody that's my opinion that they didn't like what they saw right but I've had definitely had people mad at me I've heard and I've had people that were reference to so somebody would talk about that person and then that person would be back I mean that's how the um the Josh kalis episode happened and I don't I don't feel so some of the episodes I don't I don't want to say what people are mad about gotcha yeah what people didn't want to talk about because then I'm just airing it now Patrick that's why you're here man we gotta talk about it but the dill one was that Dill now I'm confused about the the metaphor yeah down river yeah or yeah and he referred to yeah the Alien Workshop team and said some of us are up River some of us are down river which I don't know what that means but Josh kalis did not like what Dill said gotcha so then Kayla's dm'd me mad and I was like well do you want to do that you want to do an episode yeah yeah and then and so then I got a careless episode well I think it's funny because like we've we've kind of gotten that a little bit where somebody says something and they they hit up we're like they said it what do you talk like right what are you mad at us yeah yeah but so we yeah but at the yeah you got a Josh Kayla yeah someone was mad once because I was just giggling next to the person saying mean stuff they're right you know it was somebody talking trash and I'm just sitting next to him like oh do you have a favorite episode I mean that's yeah you do well no no no not a number one okay like I have maybe a five or top five but usually my favorites are the ones where I really like the person and I also feel like I don't know if they're underrated but you know when I put out like say uh Eric costan he's already highly rated people already really like him that I didn't I mean I like the episode but I didn't feel like I was um sort of champion somebody that didn't get like a Fair Shake okay and I felt like when I did I remember when I did Eric dressings I could tell people like what are you working on Eric dress another like oh really like I don't know maybe he wasn't getting the um he's a legend right to us but I just felt like and it so I'm not saying I did anything for his career or anything but I just mean when I put it out I was proud to sort of give him a voice or yeah show this guy that I'm really stoked on that maybe people forgot like people didn't realize like he's Pro in 77 he was skating and like banana board era pro pro then ripping in 80s era doing like air walks off launcher then killing it in Street like we have footage all the possible over hydrant or and then even now still relevant like we're filming and he's skating doing [ __ ] yeah tattooing people like people are still so it got to the end and I was like I'm doing a real valuable service to skating to remind everyone how sick Eric dressing is 100 and I felt that way with the Alyssa Steamer nice not that people forgot I don't know well to us we didn't forget about her but it was like at the end I just felt like happy I was like well she was huge part of the the women's movement in skating you know big time so some dressing Alyssa Ali balala I was really happy about because I Ali blah was somebody I would have put on them I just loved Ali balala like as a pro as a person he was like a skate deity or something you see him I remember just seeing him at the airport or something before I knew him and be like oh my God it's Ally and then when I became friends with him I was like almost like Star Struck by him even though he's probably younger than me I was still like Star Struck by Ali he has a presence though real time he did yeah and then when you know when he accidentally killed somebody right I mean that's [ __ ] horrible and that's like ruined his life of course you know and um I felt like telling his story yeah just because I knew what he was going through that he got sober and he lives with it every day and he suffers and I just felt like nothing you're telling his side but some people did tell me actually some people I didn't talk to said they felt like [ __ ] Ali Bella right like [ __ ] that guy and I would also think about how on Skate tours we go on Skate tours and there were so many times where people could die you know where you're just on a trip people are [ __ ] around with whatever like things like that sure tricking and driving or [ __ ] or like thrill seeking or whatever and then that's one where someone did die and I just knew how much Ali like suffered and and I just felt like I want to help or I don't know I just want to tell that story right and um so anyway I was and that was a heavy thing that the industry went through like losing shame yeah I think about when when I first started skating I don't think there were any dead Pro skaters I think Jeff Phillips was the first pro I've ever heard of that died right and you know when you get into other sports everyone's gone sure and skateboarding I don't think were you nervous now we lose someone once a week well it's such a small community too yeah that's the thing that's the injury as the industry like grows in the rich history that it has yes we're going to start seeing that a lot more were you nervous going into this this episode like how would it be represented and how people will talk about it and how I'd go about interviewing someone like this I don't know yeah I was excited to go to Stockholm there's a part of me that would like the vacation aspect yeah so my friend Kai my friend Kai filmed it and we stayed at Ali's house he had a the house with an extra bedroom like a two-bedroom house and my friend Kyle stayed on his couch and I got the extra bedroom and we were in Stockholm for like a week and a half and I was excited about that aspect of it um and then we just slowly filmed a lot of them I like say cardials I had like two hour you know a couple hours with them and we filmed it with Ally since we were at his house for a week and a half I knew I could do an interview a day and save the heavy stuff for the end and um maybe talk it through like hey today maybe we should do this or do that I mean are you having a storyboard lined up in your head yeah all this stuff goes I don't know if I often physically like write out the story but I have it like kind of mapped out what I want and a lot of it unfortunately in some ways this is like a little formulaic at some point like okay talk about how you first got skating shop sponsor video part Pros you met then but you know you have the luxury of editing all that stuff out and just getting to the juicy stuff as well so with Ali we just you know just film stuff every day yeah and then tried to go skating with them and um he can't really skate I think there's a so I don't remember like I said I don't re-watch them but I think we go skate we go skate this like skate park with like a ditch in Stockholm it's really sick park it's like a downhill ditch you can like carved down and I think we tried to film him do a kickflip and I don't think he could do it oh does he I don't know I'm not really sure I should have watched my own [ __ ] but I feel like we go try it we try to go kick flip he can't do it because he he got messed up in the accident as well yeah and he's let's see if he lands it he can't really yeah yeah I mean but I don't this some people were talking about how sad this was and to me I didn't really think this was sad because I don't not that I don't give a [ __ ] but like his skateboard ability is like not that important to me as far it's like his mental health and you know when he got in the accident I feel like I mean I don't know how to put this politely but I don't think like he had really bad short-term memory like we kept going to lunch and he couldn't remember that we already went to the like he each time we went he would tell us about the place and he had great long-term memory but I just think the um the accident is still I mean being in a coma for six months that's like permanent oh man damage right and so feel like he's living a happy life like he's got a girlfriend he's it was great hanging out with him but you know there's he still like suffers from it how long after the accident did you do this probably 10 years 10 years okay wow so even 10 years later wow it's heavy stuff man it's heavy stuff um so there's Ali bulala one is there anyone else the one one that always sticks out in my mind is like the the baker one the Antoine Dixon stuff like that those episodes are great you know you're smiling I don't know Antoine's was was was hard like he he was like GG Allen or something yeah like really tough to be around right because he was just so like wild like when we were filming we filmed him at the the Phoenix am or Phoenix contest on the Phoenix event and I remember we were leaving and as I was in the car driving cop cars kept calling the other cops were coming to trying to get us and so I'm on the highway driving I have like a migraine I can't and people were texting me like hey we switched hotels don't bring Antoine to the new hotel because he smashed he did something and they were like don't don't come to the new hotel God we got new rooms we've all been kicked out come to the new hotel and I had to ditch him wow because I was like well I gotta go back to my to my new hotel room I mean he was just wiling out he was just wilding out and then it was funny that the interview by the pool yeah that was like the sober interview right there was like I mean at this point in time he is a mega star in the skate industry you know yeah Mega people love Antoine I mean I love this and it was funny how polarizing the episode was because I feel like some people you know we're I don't know like bummed on them or maybe he was starting to have like some repercussions hmm but other people looked at this it's like like this is like a cult hero sure because everyone I mean you know you want to live your life with no rules right I mean I would I couldn't but you know he's not paying taxes or parking tickets or yeah PG and evil he's just you know what I mean it's like freedom in some way sure sure but you're always going to get the two sides of the coin with with anything you do right it's like people are gonna say this or they're gonna say that and Antoine how's he doing now are we he's killing it dude it seems like he's big chilling bro like yeah I've seen a lot of it just seems like he's skating every day and it seems like he's happy so that's great so he was somebody that was like mad at me yeah he came out and he was mad at me and I was scared because he said someone was gonna punch me or something right scared but then he I've talked well I think I've dm'd with him a little bit say I don't have a show right now yeah he was like maybe we'll film another one and I was like that would be amazing sure I don't have a show but if I did I would do it no it looks like he's doing great yeah man yeah skating's awesome looks like he's on point and healthy as hell skateboarding loves to see it that's for sure I think sobriety is definitely helping him yeah man I've never seen well like what skaters came out with the the same impact like when he was in that that first Baker video that he was in it was a little bit like Tom Penny or somebody where someone's ahead I thought like I remember people going to the premiere and people were screaming at the screen yeah well here's this dude very nonchalant shoulders down arms just so relaxed but just the hardest tricks hardest tricks and just he looked great on his board you're right it was kind of a Tom penny-esque like moment for sure it's only like yeah sorry go ahead I was just saying well yeah where someone comes out and Tom Penny where also you left wanting more that was like yes a part with six tricks and then he'll send it to the next guy and you're like what that doesn't even happen that often I mean Gino iannucci you know there's certain people I thought guy Mariano was like that not like gamer and a band this but what was the video where maybe he did like a switch 360 Flip or something and he had like three tricks and it was like a blind video blonde video we did a no slide down the with that little blind statue no that was uh Tim and Henry's Tim and Henry's you just go like pack of Lies you just call it give me more of that dude perfect you know like PJ Ladd comes out everyone goes nuts Mike Mo comes out everyone goes nuts sure Brian winning that like Tom Penny esque Vibe though everybody goes no I'll disagree with you on that they definitely a style of sticks out and tricks her next level yeah like those are those guys that come out that just go from zero to Next Level and he was definitely one of those yeah this is yeah yeah look at this to me it was very relatable because it was like my age yeah that was the thing I I got banned this is one of my first skate videos right and I remember he was my age and I I had the illusion of that I could like catch up okay he's like 13 I'm 13. or maybe he was like a year older than me and I was like okay maybe about that and he you know his part is like board slide a double side curve or two you know and you're like I'm gonna catch up I'm gonna be a pro skater I'm gonna catch up the guy around him mean well he's filmed all that stuff like a year ago and it's like one day with Stacy Peralta with like a 16 millimeter from a year and a half ago yeah I did not catch up to guy unfortunately this is what I was thinking of to ban this like oh I could do a port-side fakie I'm as good as a guy I'm as good as guy right right and then the next part comes out you're like you're like never mind yeah I don't know were you sponsored were you when you first started skating were you like yeah you were trying to be a pro skater and and did that how long did that last before you got in my head I was trying to be a pro skater like in my inner dreams in my dreams yeah I was like yeah I'm gonna be a pro skater but like the reality of I wasn't even as good as like my friends yeah where so you had a group of friends and how did photography come into like did you end up shooting your friends as a kid yeah I think I I liked photography anyway as like an interest yeah so it wasn't like oh like some filmers will be like oh I can't skate I'll film yeah it wasn't I think I was interested in it anyway outside it was like a separate hobby of mine yeah but um yeah I think I daydreamed about being a pro like I'm sure I'm like I think every single person I can still do that yeah you could these days there's look at bail gun Gary and uh bro I think in my imagination like when I go skate in my imagination I pretend it's 1984 and I'm like ripping like oh he kick flipped he's amazing tail slide on a red curb cover yeah the one thing about your show I think that I that I I mean that we all could take away from it epically later was it gave us an insight into into that person you know I think a lot of the times when I was growing up all I had was print magazines just I could read the the interview right but it was then now you're giving that person that voice and that that expression when they're telling the story and that's why I love like the nine club and you could either listen to it or you could see the person telling and see the emotion that's coming out of their their face you know and I think that's one thing that your show did you know brought that skater to life you know so that's I think that's why everybody loved it man yeah you know yeah thank you for doing that honestly that was really big for skateboarding totally yeah we're not just casting you up yeah but like just know they're contributing to skateboarding that's really this is true it's really we all grateful for it and did you feel that way I mean when you're in the thick of it maybe you don't see it right until maybe later you could look back and be like damn I really did something nice there good for skating dude I don't know outside I mean I don't know sometimes it takes a little bit of a because I remember at first I would go on like slap message Wars and read what they were saying about me okay she's like this dude is a [ __ ] hipster dude whatever and I would get like bummed sure and I would start thinking about it I'd go home and I would be like oh this guy thinks I suck that's the absolutely worst place that you should go to look at anything about yourself okay yeah remember yeah I remember I went to the Brooklyn Banks and I met these kids so I picture the slap Message Board hater it's like a really smart college professor and I went to the banks and these kids came up like I'm on slap and they were like kids right and then they was talking to them and then they posted later and I was like oh this is just chatter I mean it's not it's good it's there because I like it but I think for my like sanity I had to learn like oh don't you know don't really like did dive in yeah because you can see a bunch of [ __ ] you don't like and especially when you're delivering episodes frequently you're on there a lot so I stopped so I got kind of I remember I remember I I talked to Spanky about it and he was like oh you should look me up and everyone was like wrecking him and then there was someone else I liked and everyone was wrecking and I was like well I like Spanky like yeah he's [ __ ] cool he is like killing it he's you know like I really admire and like them and he's a like a great kind person funny he's got all good qualities totally and then people are like wrecking them on the Internet that it made me and he just said that because he wasn't also Googling himself and I just I remember that was like an epiphany like oh that was I don't know they don't like Spanky either with so far everybody gets wrecked bro everybody and then and then it was funny because I was I deal with I meet people and I remember their first you know we tell you like oh man everyone in the comments is Wrecking me and it would almost at some point I got so immune to it but I was like oh it's your first time getting wrecked yeah yeah that's cute welcome but it is true though I mean I throughout the whole of my career you'd you know some you'd come out with the something and then you'd go on SLAP and to me it was funny because you know it's it's it's banter it's chatter you know it's just whatever it doesn't mean anything but then once we start this show and we're on every week and then every week we're on there I'm like okay it's a little too much I can't and listen some of them some of it's positive some some of it's negative but you just after a while you're like I can't like this is gonna be it could be 10 nice things and then one mean thing that gets you and you're like and listen we got the YouTube comments for that so I don't even need to go oh I never I've never looked at YouTube comments I remember also Thrasher was really harsh and I never looked at Thrasher and then um what I can Thrasher YouTube Thrasher used to have a forum also oh wow okay I would like dive in yeah it's like don't come back here slaps and it's not because I'm not saying that people's comments aren't valid or whatever I just meant for my own plus also you want to be able to like work all day and then turn the work off right right and you don't want to be sitting there at two in the morning like dwelling on reading comments yeah [ __ ] Brooklyn Ballers said that [ __ ] about me yeah it's funny how slap still exists on that level we're like yeah Thrasher's still there but there's not one on Thrasher Thrasher doesn't want to deal with all that crazy [ __ ] even though it's a part of thrasher still right slap yeah I just find it funny it's it's just there just for that Forum it's an interesting place let's just put it that way definitely I like it though so what I remember was I remember doing like um like a Brandon Westgate episode who I think is [ __ ] sick but there was nothing for anyone to fight about and then you would do say papa Lardo or or somebody and everyone takes sides and get in a fight or um yeah Jason Dill Josh Kayla sure sure or something and then you've sparked the fight and I guess that's engagement and sometimes you end up like playing the engagement game a little bit you're like oh Brandon Westgate everyone's just like cool episode move on sure if you can like spark an argument you suddenly because I remember I think it was popular but someone someone was giving me the the views I'm like oh yeah papillardos is like the number one episode out of all of them you know and it was just because there was something I don't remember what it was but there was something that people could get in a fight over in it can you refresh my memory really quickly so it epically later was on VBS to begin with right it was their own player right did the VBS have comment section in there or no I don't remember it dude I don't remember it did but I didn't I don't remember okay then did it ever move over to YouTube as you were actually doing the show or did it stay on their their device player and that's why episodes okay a lot are lost or well I've actually found them but um they're hard to find no no I mean I found them like I have digital files of them but they're not online anymore because I think of the migration of like VBS TV to viceland to YouTube and some of them have been trimmed which probably isn't a bad thing but I think some of them are a lot shorter than they initially were they heard and those initial edits are gone and then there are Miss like episodes that aren't up because they never I can't remember whose because I don't like again I don't watch them really sure I think like artos is missing or oh maybe my Carol's missing some of them have like certain parts and not others and some of them are um unmonetized YouTube channels that aren't Vice which I'm I'm happy to that they're up because I don't know what do I care but um I mean not what do I I'm happy that people can people watch them but I think I went I needed some for like a portfolio or for some reason and I I went and fished for alibalalas and it's like on someone's Vimeo and same with cardios it's like on 18.99 you can buy it right now damn well that's that's for the vice stuff by season one oh yeah I bought this myself did you bought your own shelf I bought my own show I love it well some of my iPad I can I don't watch them but I just was like oh I need to save them so now I have the files I have some of the files and when I talk device they have them archived but I don't necessarily need I'm just glad they're safe but don't you want like listen this is this is Monumental in skating it's your life's work so to speak you know you know whatever but you know it's it's it's but it's huge a portion right don't you want this stuff like on your own like a place where people can go and watch the whole because look we go over a year by season one Eight Episodes you're like okay that's that's Vice season one there's years of this before the VBS stuff right yeah I think I would appreciate if everything was uploaded in its original edit or if they were broken up let's put it all together in one I would be and I think when I was messaging with somebody there but obviously they're going through their issue so I don't really know if that's anyone's like top priority to worry about the Billy Rohan episode making sure it's like perfect or whatever what about say they give it up say they're like hey we're going through our stuff here's all your stuff here's your files here's everything you own it now I would probably put them on YouTube in order got you and make it look nice but then it was like how many people would actually watch them dude I mean they're putting up stuff you know as of recently and it's getting like a million views yeah the ones from television were riska were put on YouTube and because the originals were paywalled oh so many people thought they were new because they didn't you know watch them so I don't know how many but someone my friend was sending me like wow this one has like two million two million views or something people do think they're new but because they they don't state it in the description they just say like oh here's the new or here's the I noticed they put some sort of um clickbaity headlines titles occasionally sure sure it helps did you let's let's talk about this really quickly because when Vice I mean excuse me epically later pretty much stopped in 2017 is that about right yeah I don't know it stopped when that the television channel that was I'm sorry the episodes that were for television were the last eight that was it and then I talked to him a little bit about season two and someone was like make a list of who you would do and then I think I talked to someone online because I was like I would be happy to go back to just doing them on the web sure and doing like this one's on Javonte Turner this one's on Ocean Howe as of doing them yourself and like chilling them out a little bit like not making them so overproduced like just going back to how they were but it's also tough because I mean you know there's podcasts and there's and it's also we we tried really hard to make it like a story but sometimes people just want the information and and there's more we had a lucky run where we were the only thing right and so sometimes it's like they're if it came out now there's so much other stuff and there's so many other things like it true that maybe not being the only game in town might make it hard I could see that I could see that you got a good product I think it it would be relevant this is true there's there's other shows and there's other stuff right and when we were doing it we were the only I remember thinking like this is the only like like putting [ __ ] hards under cardiel talking was like we're the only people that got to do that sure but now I don't anybody with the YouTube channel could do that interesting I hope that I don't know as a viewer and a fan I hope that something more can come out of this like bankruptcy and whatever goes on with Vice and everything because I do know that like we talked about here you have so much archival footage of you know people who have passed and I hope that something definitely comes out of this and maybe you'd want to do something extra for people maybe start or your own YouTube channel and or one thing I thought I was like What if I just took the Dylan Raider episode interview yeah and just like uploaded it just like here's a two hour interview with this kid talking here we go nuts yeah no absolutely and it wasn't because I want to like profit off it but just to like all this like friends and family and people can watch it yeah I don't know yeah it could be I'd watch it what was it like was it just a freestyle like this interview yeah I just remember I went to his house and just interviewed him and we didn't use much of it because I mean not this no this is just him in the skate park I remember while we were filming I did a backside disaster on that and hung up and I felt really [ __ ] hard I think it was steep dude I cracked a rib and was like kind of embarrassed oh God it's like damn I just slammed so hard but yeah I don't know man and then I think we were filming and another time and then I remember guy Mariano and cutter were sitting there and I did a like uh have you ever seen where people kind of a Chad Bop movie where you do like a fakey Rock and then you bring your truck to the coping sure I did that I did that trick and came down and I saw a guy and cutter laughing and they were like did you have a mini ramp growing up and I was like yeah how'd you know and then they were like right right so you know it's like I mean I only think of it is because he's gone you know 100 right and there's a lot of those there's like well now that we've said it here you're gonna be getting all again people are asking a lot have you started he was a special kid you know that's that's yeah have you thought about doing kind of the same thing but just do it make different name for it yeah maybe I I had ideas I mean it's like I have ideas but well that's kind of what I was asking right or not or just I was I'm saying I'm just I hope something good can come out of all this stuff and when I say good come out of it I mean like Vice being out and all this stuff and maybe getting your tapes back I mean who knows right it's just a fan hoping I remember I had one opportunity that I blew well I didn't Bloom everything happens for a reason I guess but Tony vitello was like hey we want you to do and it was like a jake Phelps documentary or a threat history Thrasher or a thrasher but it was right when I did the television season it was right as it was launching and I was just like I can't like uh I'm doing the the BAM and the Muska and the heath episode sure and I remember it was just bad timing and so basically I turned it down and then now I'm like looking back yeah and then I you know with Phelps gone it'd be like hard to do but it was gonna be like Jake taking us through like a history of thrasher for Thrasher sure right speaking of Heath I mean he's the man sitting right here you know um working with him on I mean you guys have been friends for a long time you guys have done different trips together and stuff like that but uh was it weird going into a epically later with with Heath in that kind of aspect of it or was it just natural yeah I mean he's someone that I didn't think would do it did I ask you Lauren asked you because I think I was scared I don't want somebody to say no and feel stupid so I was like Lauren you know you like draw straws and Lauren asked them Okay so that one that when you went on the boat with him he was on a trip with boosh Mexico and I flew down with Mesa okay we hired Aaron Meza as our cameraman which was I mean that's a score for me I [ __ ] love well as a person filmmaking I mean there's been times where making epicly letters where he shot like nice establishing shots and things that I had to I don't know I'd watch things there in maze I made him I was like man I need to step up my filmmaking but anyway we flew down with Aaron Meza and like a producer and a [ __ ] sound person and all these people and we drove to Mexico and it just so happened the timing worked out that he was on like a sick trip and we flew down and caught up with them on a couple stops on their Trail so let me get this right so you didn't know Heath back then or you did you just didn't want to ask him I just didn't want to ask him you want to ask your friend yeah I don't want to get turned down right because we were there were other people I don't know I don't know why I mean I should feel like I should I think as I asked you once about an interview for something else and you said no um and I was like oh he doesn't do interviews right let alone a whole thing about him yeah and then somehow we got lucky cuddled on a good day yeah I was saying before the show I was like we always get comments get Heath kerchart on the show comma he probably will never do the show but he's here now look he's good how the sausage is made pretty nice huh and he's a listener we were on that drive we when we were in Mississippi we listened to episodes occasionally nice so let's talk about that so big oh so I caught the reason sorry to cut you up no no I was on the trip sorry he did all these trips like like bicycle across the country and I don't know I wasn't like invited but I felt like I could have or something but me and Kai were talking about it like there's no way I would bicycle this country that sounds like [ __ ] shitty and then he climbed a mountain and I was like there's no way I would go up that sounds horrifying but when I was on the trip to just film him on the boat with Boosh that's more your speed I don't know I just suddenly was like [ __ ] I want to do that like and I remember we were we were talking about Bush who's wasn't enjoying himself and was a little I don't know how you guys know him right yeah of course he just wasn't like I don't know I don't feel like he anyway I was like he kind of wanted to bail I think and I was like I would if I wasn't working on this I would love to trade places that sounds sick like being on the boat catching fish yeah eating the fish figuring out how to get water figuring out how and that suddenly I think just watching the trip I suddenly just I want to do something like this this is this looks like something amazing I just got like jealous so then I'm from St Louis Missouri originally in the Mississippi Rivers there and I was just like would you think you could take your boat down the Mississippi River because you asking Heath this or yeah and then our friend Kai we all wanted to I don't know it just somehow I thought I think as I was from there where I read Huckleberry Finn or something and I was like I want to go down the river and then he we just made it happen how do other people do this is this a thing to go down the Mississippi River in a boat I don't know because it wasn't what I imagined the river didn't look like what I imagined it was huge this thing is massive yeah it's I don't know sometimes I picture though a little river a little river oh you know what's funny when you're when you're in downtown St Louis it's narrow in there and it's really flowing water and there's these Rapids kind of near St Louis called The Chain of Rocks and it's a little bit of false advertising of what the river is but we and I also wanted to do photography sure it was kind of like two things it was like the adventure of the trip and then also sometimes I would wake up and go take pictures like around Memphis or around these different cities as a photography project so you're going down this River are you planning it out too I mean you must a little bit because our friend Kai had a boat that had gasoline a motor and I had a canoe I bought a canoe in St Louis so from Hannibal Missouri to St Louis I canoed it but I couldn't keep up because Heath has like had two rows and was like and then Kai had a we had this little like weird boating this boat right here that's Heath's boat okay let's see if we that's my dog June that looks like a canoe no no that's a like a Dory Okay and then there's no that's anyway I did I ditched my canoe because I couldn't keep up what do you mean you ditched it you just I left it somewhere I left it in St Louis at where a dock or like a friend's house okay okay so there's there's Kai and that's his boat that's like a well it was like a raft yeah so I just I felt like I gave up a little bit and oh and right there where it says Canal all boats I lost my iPhone my phone fell out of the canoe so I just was like mad because we were in St Louis and I lost my phone and you're in a canoe anybody that's watching this is Patrick Odell's phone is somewhere around here yeah magnet fishing oops and um so anyway I gave up and I just rode in the the little boat that boat with the motor with the sketchy like other little random Rapids kind of that part I was scared and I didn't do it Heath and Kai didn't do it you could just get out and take a yeah I got out and filmed okay and took photos and [ __ ] guys this will be a great spot for me to get out and film a little bit yeah I went down and me and my friend from St Louis Scott took photos of them doing the Rapids gosh that's my dog that's your dog oh beautiful dog look at his eyes so anyway I wanted to make a little a photo book about the trip it's amazing I mean in my in my mind I'm picturing you know when you when you hear about a trip down the Mississippi I'm thinking just jungle I'm thinking nothing but you're going through cities cities and we would stay in motels or casinos or weird places when we were in cities like Memphis or wherever and then a lot of times we just can't so there'd be like Little Sandy Islands or little places and we'd just camp and um it was funny there were times where we hated it but at the end I I don't know I missed it I got home and was like a little depressed like how long did it take like a month it's a long time and then when we drove from we drove from New Orleans back to St Louis and we listened to nine clubs but I don't remember whose episodes wouldn't you do you film or when did you do this um I don't know 2019 or okay that's 2017 Big River book okay 2017. and it was right when I was moving so I was funny I packed up my house in Philadelphia and moved to Los Angeles and this was in between it's amazing I mean like it's cool to do stuff like that I just like so what the hell is this oh ferry so we just were like camping weird places and stuff and so now I'm and now I have a kid so I have all these trips I want to do we did a backpacking trip but it was only three days and I that I want to do more backpacking drips like kind of like through hiking but I also don't want to leave my kid howled he's three three so I'm like I can't until he's old enough to hike oh you're gonna bring him with you yeah well maybe he's older so wait a minute you went down street you you did a month just floating down the Mississippi yeah and then you had what would you say two boats that turned into one three boats it turned into two because I didn't believe Cosmo would work I was like this is [ __ ] why what's wrong with his bow it was like a weird Square raft that he bought a motor and stuck it's just like a booty made of oh he he made a boat that you would try to make him if you're trying to get off an island he just made something up he'd do it yourself DIY there was one point where there was all these barges and one was barreling towards us and he ran out of gas like the engine died I remember just panicking because this [ __ ] giant barge you know they're only going like five miles an hour but it's just barreling towards us and he was pouring gas in and pulling on the [ __ ] thing like a lawnmower trying to get it started and then finally we got out of the way but I was like dude we're about to die keeps going back and forth like in an edit like bro oh my God here it is you're just like get out of there that was the uh quest for the like rail there it is running keeps running but what an amazing experience though like you want to do it again obviously like do some other stuff yeah I bought I had bought all the gear for a backpacking I don't I want to do backpacking where would you go I don't know which ones I would do now I have a permit to do yo like this back country Yosemite okay and my wife wants to do it so but we're only going to do it for like two nights or three nights because we don't want to ditch our kid too long yeah that's tough right like Heath always does the the Colorado River where you get the permit but it's a month and I was like I can't be away from my kid from a month another month for sure but that's when I'm about some trip I would love to do and I've done a bunch of little backpacking trips that are more like two nights three nights so the Colorado River I mean are we are we enduring Rapids there we it's a whole it's a whole thing that's one Heath does Heath come on the Shelf man you do some of the wildest trips I've ever seen dude that's [ __ ] amazing to be honest with you but congrats the book Big River out now just came out recently yeah where can we get it where can people find it Deadbeat Club is the publisher Deadbeat Club Debbie Club so uh deadbeatclub.com I assume dot org I don't know something about something dot TV not on Emma can't find this on Amazon here we go look right here Patrick Odell Big River forty dollars a pre-order wait what hmm well it's out oh it's just pre-ordered okay for a second nice dude again you so you said you are working on a book that is your epically later and stuff that one this one's this is a pretty limited number of books but the the epic related book will be a little more massive it's the same publisher that did one of Jerry's books and did Tino Rosso's book um so I'm really excited about that because I love Tino and Jerry's yeah I get to be like it'll fit right on the Shelf next to those no but congrats on that the book and everything and I can't wait for the epically later book because again you know not to gas you up but a big huge fan of that Weekly laters man I think that just we talk about skating having an impact on our on our lives growing up and like you know the skater impacted my life but it also shows you know like that impacted my life you know of just being able to see these people and relate to them and see their face and see them telling a story and it's I mean not the show in general not the show necessarily but skating could be like anything like like a bunch of [ __ ] shitty people became skaters which I guess has happened like every day we get to like shape our own culture sure and the fact that people like John cardio or you know that's a steamer these are our Legends right is red and um having these people to pick from to do episodes on it shows that like how amazing the people that found skating are true definitely and then and shaped what skating could be like you know like skateboarding could have been anything for sure and I think um I remember asking Eric Dresden about the skaters he looked up to the people he named a bunch of skits like some skater that never even heard of or he went to a um he went to a demo it was the Pepsi team he's like oh I went to a demo and the Pepsi team was there how crazy is that and uh skateboarding could have been anything at that point right right I never actually think about the Pepsi team because now people get mad at like Red Bull hats at the the that Street League Red Bull hat but it's like I don't know the Pepsi team got dressing into skating but they had a whole they had a whole uniforms though is that uniforms uniforms Pepsi uniforms I remember thinking with the Olympic uniforms people were mad that the skating out of a uniform but somehow I actually thought the uniform would be Chiller than what people wear sometimes I thought they were I thought the uniforms were pretty chill right that's what I'm saying right yeah like oh you have to take off your Red Bull hat oh yeah right yeah and put it on this other outfit I just want to know is there the show ended in 2017 we'll get on we'll get into what you were doing after the show you did a bunch of van stuff you did a bunch of music videos and stuff like that but um was there an episode that you really wanted to do that you just didn't get the chance to do when you talk about the Jake Phelps one but that was for Thrasher yeah there's been a bunch I mean like there are people we always hit up like you know email like Tech like call Mark Gonzalez and be like can we do an episode right no or not us or anything like that or not as swerves me yeah there's people that like Rocco oh I interviewed him for the big brother I did a big brother documentary and I got Morocco in there yeah there's people that like [ __ ] swerve you yeah and early on I would hit people up I can't I don't know it'd be like dandruff hobo want to do an episode like no answer right right or tons of people yeah and you just kind of and win something lose some yeah and take it on the chin man you just move on right territory so epic leader ends you obviously in that same year I think that's when you did the the big brother the dumb right how did you even get into that I I would assume I think it was I think it was Hulu yeah asked Jeff Tremaine to make it and Jeff tremaine's like I'm not the director on the subject amazing amazing so that one really felt like a collaboration between me and Jeff Tremaine because as you can watch it the look isn't like epically layered but we were working with Jeff and Sean cliver and there was a lot of people involved that that's their story so you're kind of I'm working with them to kind of tell their story sure and it's not it's I don't know like it's the big brother story a little bit told by them with and I'm helping sure sure so you felt it was more of this collaboration there you go collaboration so it's easy to produce I would assume because you they're telling the story right you just have to kind of formulate the story is that kind of exactly face the basis of it just go out and interview all the the players and I was a huge big brother fan big brother I think informed even epically later and stuff because what I liked I'm thinking of the early issues that were hard to find but also they would drive across the country and the whole thing was like columns with their Adventures every day and I think as a kid sitting in Columbus Ohio with no driver's license and I'm reading this like it's like reading a cowboy story or something like Wow you went they went to Des Moines and you want to be a cowboy that's a thing yeah so I'm reading this like a fantasy like Someday I'm gonna get a driver's license and I'm gonna do this sort of thing because some of the writing back then in even Transworld refresher wasn't like that just be like weird stories you wouldn't even necessarily read it just like filled up type and those stories Dave Carney and Chung cliver is a writer and Mark McKee is a writer or Kendra or whoever they told amazing stories that really as took you on the ride like you felt like you were in the van with them and that was something I always copied a little bit my writing a thrasher like I'm on the baker tour with these weird dudes it was all informed by probably Dave Carney or Sean clever writing that's fun and so epically later it was a little bit like that too right so I must have been a privilege then to be able to work on that yeah with all those guys and everything and it's fun because you interview people I like interviewing these some of these weird people that you would never think like we went to some weird Christian College that Simon Woodstock works at they interviewed him or or Earl Parker you know like go to meet up with Earl Parker or even bam we went to Bam's house to interview bam and I want to say that maybe that's not the first time I met him or it's definitely not but that was sort of sparked doing an episode on them right and um so yeah it was a fun experience and it was cool to do something a little different when epically later it ended the 2017-ish I mean we're doing the the the dumb Big Brother document story were you already looking for other I mean first of all were you like bummed that episode later because it never it never like ended like nobody I didn't get broken up with it just stopped and occasionally that happened with the show a lot a couple times I filmed things and I'd have the tapes I remember like I filmed at Templeton one and I kind of had the tapes but nobody was it wasn't on anyone's list to get it cut interesting and that happened a few times where you know you're with a company for a long time and like priority shift and people always want to make their own projects so you're working on things for vice and of course somebody has to green light not just a because I could I can be a cheap filmmaker but the editing and the the the like assembly line of getting the thing [ __ ] edited and put out costs money and you know somebody's got to say oh yeah we're gonna we're gonna it's somebody's turn to cut the Ed Templeton episode and so there were a lot of periods because like I said if it was up to me there would be weekly epic related every day until this week right but you know there's a system or so that goes back to them paying you per episode right this is essentially what you're saying it's like you have this at Templeton episode but nobody's there to cut it so nobody's cutting nobody's buying it off you essentially and that's kind of what happened at the end or they just I don't know that's just the I don't know if the phone stops ringing or yeah I don't know because I think at any point someone can just email me and be like hey we're cranking out some epically later it's like I don't feel like the show's over or canceled but it's just never you know the next episode never aired or just you never I guess it got tougher because the last season those episodes were big budget or took a lot they had to spend more money so maybe to like crank out some shitty ones might be tough but would you change any way the way you did it if you did I think like putting him out maybe shorter the like if we did another season for the chat but they don't I don't think the channel exists and I don't think some of the people that I worked because I remember I was trying to get questions answered about something and I needed something from them and I couldn't I don't I don't know anyone who works there it's a weird situation it's just that you know like things change and yeah but also I mean it's just a weird it's it's an unknown situation as well like what they're they're going through and everything and you're involved in that in some capacity you know they have you're a part of that you know and that's kind of the unknown yeah I think one Theory I've had is when something's like someone else's idea it's really easy to get someone else's idea made but it's like your idea everyone wants to do their own idea so if you come in like I have an idea that go away like I have my own ideas I'm trying to get mine green lit are you when you get there's newer jobs now are you going to them are they mostly coming to you yeah you did a lot of van stuff so I did a bunch of van stuff um and I got I got hired they were doing Vance Park series and they hired me to do work for them and I was doing a lot of like just weird behind the scenes [ __ ] like you're doing little mini interviews and stuff like that doing a little mini interviews like we would do inner little things on some of their athletes like Nora of escancelos even though she's Adidas it would be like for the Park series you did a Jerry Sue one too a Jerry Sue oh for his collaboration so yeah I did a bunch of Anne's Park series stuff and then bands Park series stopped and then I was doing they would do colorways with people and I would do little videos for the colorway to like explain what it was so we would do like Lottie skate shop or yeah Jerry Sue or uh Justin Henry from Columbus Ohio oh yeah those are just looking at your website here sales are older I haven't updated the site but we did um yeah those are some of the Vans skater I think fans Park series skaters just just fun [ __ ] and the fans Park series was really fun because I got to go to Every contest and so we for three years it would be like a contest in South America contest in China contest and Momo amazing so it was sweet to get to go sick destinations go on trips and um go to Japan go wherever and um I mean it's just fun to travel it's fun to like go to contests that's the best part about skating man is it travel one of one of the best so yeah this was this was go to Tokyo oh I'm not gonna go to Tokyo man oh yeah you know what I mean seriously it's amazing do you have an agent now that you that no help no just certain I would like there's an agent out there oh and so I did the Vans colorway stuff so like we would do um I'm trying to think we did like quasi did a thing and uh Justin Henry from Columbus which is sick because that's where I went to high school sick so he's from near me and so we went to Columbus I got the films stuff that was right when covet started because I remember I filmed Justin Henry in Columbus and all of a sudden it was like while we were there The Very Room like Tom Hanks got it and basketball was canceled oh and I flew home right there my wife made me sleep in the other room for a week and it was right when because you were out and about because I was in Ohio filming so we yeah we did we did the vans thanks was it oh and then I did a Caballero 30 years of the half cast yes that's right so I got to kick it with cab and make a so dope yeah it was amazing it was cool because I didn't I guess you think about these things subconsciously but it was the fact that it was the anniversary of a half cab 30 years 30 years half cab but I was thinking about the skater like how he's skated for Vans and Powell the whole time the trick the half cab or the or the caballerial is still in our vernacular it's still a trick that if you're good you could do caballerials and then the shoe is still a shoe everyone wears it's a it's a pretty insane Legacy to have like those three things like the skater the trick the shoe but also going from vert to Street cab and continuing on a lot of people couldn't do that a lot of people tried a lot of people failed oh yeah when he did I remember the 411 opener maybe with the double Kink board slide oh yeah there was a one where he just boards through this long rail I mean like nobody he pulled it off they did it and that was it's kind of nuts how um how good it is yeah I mean nicest sweetest Dude too yeah for sure his I'm trying to think there was this yeah Street cab but he would do things like I would look on his Instagram and he was doing I don't know was it Motocross he broke his femur or whatever he was just like dude we found another passion I tripped out it was all the the Tony Hawk documentary and someone Lance is just like man it's like imagine someone's Grandpa he he's not a grandfather but it's just like we're like grandads doing this [ __ ] and I've been skating with my kid and I I had he has a little he's on a little scooter and I've been skating with just a board and I look at like a ledge like I'm gonna go board and I get I'm like I can't like I like ride up and I'm like and these dudes you're like I still got it right and uh the more you do it though you get out there more yeah see you're gonna board side to Fakie just like I Mariano I'm telling you I wanted to I brought the wrong way I took them to the um the uh Santa Monica like double-sided curves and I was thinking about dressing how he board slid over it was it was the ad for the ever slick but I had the board I had was a zip Zinger I'm making excuses but I was like um and when it was Sunday so it was a pact I always think of you skating there and I was like I'm gonna boards I'm gonna do the dressing because then I'm gonna imagine that it's sure 1997 or 87 and it's gnarly to Portside you know you might get the cover of strength no strength wasn't around back then no but I got uh I got some footage that day I'll show you off camera yeah I'm a kid bombing a hill on a little scooter okay let's check it out have you pretty get the board you presented the board in front of him just yet yeah he I kept being like you want to ride my boarding like yeah and then he's like it's too hard and he was on a little he's on a little scooter I think that's agree right yeah he's three he just turned three he has a helmet with a little Mohawk I don't even know if he has kneecaps yet I mean you know I feel like the scooter is a good Gateway thing in this for kids yeah they need to look they need to hold on to something at first you know I don't think you know it's not that important to me that he skates or anything but I just like doing fun stuff with them for sure I think this winter I'm gonna make sure to take him snowboarding or take them to the snow introduce them to all kinds of different stuff for sure so we did the van stuff we did this and a lot of music videos in between all that stuff too right right I got lucky and did trying to think I did one for panda bear panda bear reflective and Morrissey did a Morrissey video which is insane to me because he's I'm like have been in my life the biggest Morrissey fan I remember a friend of mine like that's the biggest job that any of us have ever gotten because of how big of a fan I was to get to make the video how did that even come about how does somebody hit you up for a Morsi video I did well I did some weird assisting while I was filming concerts and filming some weird behind the scenes stuff okay because somebody else hired me hmm and then that's why I asked them and then I got to make this this is the one yeah it looks like it's in your backyard I mean it's at the recording studio it's on Melrose that's why I asked about the agent because some of these things and don't get me wrong like obviously in the time and experience that you've done this you're gonna meet so many different people that can refer to you and be like hey we can hire it's kind of like what do you know right yeah morrissey's idea because he's just like this is what I want and I remember there was a pitchfork or something saying it was just like every other Morrissey video but it was also like I'm just there and I'm intimidated and they're just like this is what we want like I'm gonna walk and the band's gonna walk behind me oh he was kind of directing it yeah I had this other shot I really like to him recording the lyric like see how these guys are all in there like place in the studio sure there was a shot of him in his spot but he had him cut it all out oh he Not only was it dude drag was the editor too he's just like this is what I want and he just knows what he wants but is that kind of a bummer though I mean you get to that far you hear that you have this chance now and now you all you're doing is pointing a camera at that he's taking all he's taking a job from you I yeah but I rationalize it as just like sometimes you're just like you're there to help you're the director but you'll always find that someone's just like once that's what he wants that's what he wants let's [ __ ] do it okay I just think it's kind of a little I think I had I had some weird there was a shot because I was filming a record and he was drinking a Corona and he like chugged it or he's drinking beer and there was something else and um I was like oh we gotta have the shot of him drinking the beer oh and they sent a video over of Herb Alpert in downtown L.A uh it was like a YouTube and I his manager sent it and they were like we want it like this which was so so I of course I'm scared talking to Morrison I was like I got the YouTube video you sent me and he was like YouTube I did not send you a YouTube video YouTube I was like and it was a it was like a guy with a trumpet he's like are you honestly telling me you've never heard of Herb Alpert and I hadn't I was like no I was just like a little bit nervous and I was like no I don't know what you're talking about because I hadn't this is embarrassing but I didn't know who Herb Albert was but then it was kind of sweet because he had this like all these records laying there and he had this gatefold with like pictures of Herb Alpert and he started showing me he's like well this is Herb Albert and he was showing me all these pictures of Herb Alpert and he had this trumpet which I didn't know whether it was actually herb alperts but we took pictures of him with the trumpet and he's like this is the real thing and um anyway he's a trumpet player right and so um I got to learn about Herb Alpert and the video doesn't look anything like the video he sent me but because then I was like thinking of skating because you a lot of people it's like production and costs and permits but I was like we could go we could go film that like because it was them Downtown L.A or Alvera Street with Herb Alpert was the music video and I was like we should just go do that oh you don't need permits for it you just go let's go yeah yeah it didn't happen huh still nonetheless rad opportunity right damn so and now I never will see Herb Alpert without being like I don't know so we got to oh I hear you're doing a 25th anniversary video for Nick Nixon Nixon which is awesome how did they even how did even that come about well I guess it started the this guy Matt Ramirez works at Nixon and I worked with him on a I did it I did a basically a pretend epically later on D'Angelo Russell who played for the Lakers who plays for Lakers yeah for New Era and Matt was involved in that project so we did like uh we did a um D'Angelo Russell epically later and um Now Matt is at Nixon and that video that was a fun project and came out cool and so I think he pitched at the Chad um the owner the owner along with this other guy Andy is one of the co-owner of their co-owners but um and it was funny because in my career I spent so much time in New York and L.A a little bit San Francisco that I don't I was sit in San Diego area is a little bit of a blind spot sure so it wasn't super familiar with well obviously nude Nixon from the the advertising and but yeah I don't spend a lot of time in Encinitas so I never met Chad before but they sent me over the list of all the people we were going to interview for it and it was pretty like [ __ ] gnarly list like yeah like Mike D from the Beastie Boys and all these people and um I started to think man all these people are going to be in this project like Colin McKay I mean it's hard to list them all sure all these sick people and I was like it must I was like this this must be like a red company or a red dude that owns the company that all these people are gonna we interviewed uh Robert Trujillo from Metallica okay just like sick people and as I met Chad and as I started learning more about the brand I kind of understood why people were so down to be a part of it I guess it's just that like it's just a sick company and I got to I got to to learn about it hang out with them and in some ways I feel like I've kind of become part of their their like okay roster you know they shot they Thomas Campbell used to shoot all their ads but like playback and yeah Grant Britain sure Tiba Jefferson whatever the sickest people the sickest snowboarders Surfer and it's funny I don't know a lot about snowboarding and a lot about surfing but as I met each person I was like this dude's sick this dude's sick right so um yeah we're making a 25th anniversary of Nixon watches yeah I mean video 25 years is incredible and I mean I know why I know what you're talking about with like the guy from Metallica and all these people because I mean they've done so many different projects with so many different people and it's just they've they've done it all yeah you know so to go cover all that stuff it's amazing have you got a free watch that's how you're doing it yeah so you know you have a family you got a free watch yeah I'm a I'm a watch where are you I I can't leave the house without a watch what do we got what time piece do we have on right now this is a Nixon it's solar okay Powers by the side no it's solar yeah really look at you oh it's another part of the family huh it was funny that interviewing I interviewed two people that don't set their watch as a p-rod said he puts on a watch and doesn't set it he doesn't set it so I didn't know what time it is I was like so someone comes up to you like hey what time it is you have to like fish for your phone and he's like yeah and same with Nora vasconcellus doesn't set or what by the way these are a couple of pictures that I think you took right did you take these oh yeah of uh P Rod right there he's been in the Nixon family for eight yeah he's a little child there a little kid look at that and then uh speaking of Nora you have Nora Vasquez and her cat their cat there nice little interview set up there I'd see you have the little boom mic with a little fluffy thing on it you know I mean yeah when is this uh come out playback in like two weeks I'm a little stressed because we're we're like crunch time on the edit right oh so we're we're good you I mean you've you've got we're it's shot I shot the the last interview like a week ago I drove to Thomas Campbell's house okay kind of burp how long went to Thomas Campbell's house in Santa Cruz and got the last one to do nice dude how long have you been working on this thing for like a month oh well it was it was maybe two weeks of filming hmm and now that was like two months ago and then a couple pickup interviews here and there red there's Sal salima Mexico he is a great interviews he's amazing we've been trying to get him on the show for a while he has his own podcast right he does I think he just I think he's just starting it actually does have like podcast beef yeah for sure I don't wanna we don't want salmon on the show anymore yeah he could he could take a hike he was a great interview there's certain people you just interview he's got the gift of he speaks really well his Grand he had a he had a Herb Alpert poster his grandfather played with Herb Alpert oh sick there's some history here's some there's Chad Chad from Nixon right there Chad's sick man he's a good dude we've well I've gone down and have meetings with him I noticed that I noticed this because usually you do these I do epically letters do all the [ __ ] and sometimes like behind the scene everyone starts [ __ ] talking [ __ ] and no one has anything bad to say about them amazing you just interview people everyone's happy like to drop what they're doing to come interview for it right no one's I didn't catch any drama he here's a quick story on our behalf of not having anything bad to say about Chad he hit us up because we we've always wanted Steve Rocco on the show he's like hey I know Steve Rocco let me set up a meeting with you guys you guys come over to my house Steve will come over also you guys can meet we'll have some breakfast and we could chat and see if we can get them on the show I mean very gracious you know he didn't have to do that he opened up his home had Rocco come over we had a meeting it's a good time Rocco still hasn't been on the show but at least at least he tried you know what I mean see how the photo the photos all hazy over on the mirror yeah that's like Mississippi Water that's the the trip when I made this book I think the camera got like water in it and it's still but then I kind of like the look it's done because it's a film it's like contacts and everything got like waterlogged on that trip that's a good photo I just I just live with it works it's good Zion Zion yeah it's rad though uh I can't wait it's gonna be a good one if you guys wear watches I do I I got the Apple watch time to time however time and time too yeah time to time that one looks pretty that one looks good I leave the house and I'll watch I start getting all stressed do you set it before you leave it's like I could tell you I don't have the date though this says it's Monday the 8th I just set the time of the day you're way off got the weekday right sometimes I felt weird skating with a watch on if I fell on my wrist I felt like it would hurt a lot more yeah I had a nice well what I considered the time a nice watch when I was shooting skate photos remember I thrashed it like like shooting photos and was nervous about it and so it's nice to wear a watch that's more in the like 200 range oh because you're like yeah if I [ __ ] it up it's not that big of a deal but also you got it for free I got this one for free but I have a I have a lot of watches okay I got a little case of watches for me it's like it I I relate it's like the sunglass thing right I I don't have a good pair of sunglasses because they they fall they fall off they grow in the ground they scratch it I cannot have a 200 pair of sunglasses I just get the little cheap ones all right they're perfect whatever yeah yeah I have a fake Rolex that I bought it in China you still got it still works shake it up something still keeps ticking I think it is like when you have a film camera and it's sick to have them like just shoot on film or you have like a vinyl record or you have it's just part of that family of vintage equipment hey there's your piece right there the Sentry solar leather 250. boom that oh my God look at you so we got the Nixon thing congrats on that's amazing you got to interview a lot of uh dope people and I'm glad I have some stuff to talk about that's current because some I was nervous about doing this and feeling if we had just been like uh epically later canceled how sad are you but I don't want to be on this thing feeling like a big loser i i f yeah I mean I understand what you're saying but at the same time like you have so much Rich history to talk about even if you had nothing if you were retired right now and had nothing to do because I was for a couple years my wife was working and we had our child Arthur that's his name I had to think of a name that wasn't a pro skater [Laughter] oh yeah all right get away was the only one I could think but we think of names like what about Ethan I'd be like oh it's a skater yeah every name what about Julian no it's a skater yeah I didn't even like that skater you know name people with the names they could ruin she's like what about drawn there's already a j dubs it's not gonna work there's already a boosh can you imagine this is my baby boosh but that was original though come up with a name that I don't have that I'm not gonna be like yes I had a hard time hard enough time coming with the name of my cat I couldn't even imagine a child yeah you gotta live with it we left the hospital five days we didn't have a name it was just what'd you call it baby yeah we had to go back and sign some papers yeah maybe Wilson you hungry you hungry baby Wilson I couldn't just I couldn't have a name before I actually see my child you gotta meet him first yeah I understand I was like that with my cat got to hang out a little bit and then we got a name you said baby yeah baby we'll just stick with baby we'll see yeah but if you stuck sorry Patrick well I was just saying I spent two years stay-at-home Daddy and wasn't really working on anything just working on my kid right yeah and that is a beautiful moment bro you never get that back so I was thinking about that yesterday he was like taking a nap on me and we were skating I want to go skate I want to go scooter and he like cuddles me and I'm like man one of these days it's not gonna wanna oh my God we're not cuddling he's gonna hurt yeah he's gonna hate me yeah yeah you don't want to think like that but yeah it's going to be different so we got we just finished we're finishing up the Nixon project what about anything else uh on the on the horizon what do we got to a book that's good I don't know I got some stuff I'm trying to get made but by the way do we know the uh what do they call it the publisher for the epically later book what's Publisher's name doing Anthology Anthology so people that are watching this closer to the time than when your book comes out go to Anthology and maybe pick up the epically later book yeah that one will be more like in Barnes Noble and I don't know I don't know for real but they're going to print a lot there you go I love that because Tino and Jerry's book you just see it everywhere so I'm like oh I want to get it up on the Tino and Jerry I have it Tino's books all empty pools oh okay and Tino when I especially when I was partied in New York with one of my best friends and he never seemed like a photographer like he never he never camera didn't do it and then suddenly he started going on pool sessions and would take pictures of all the empty pools and I couldn't believe it when he started showing me the pictures I cannot believe you're a photographer they're like William Eggleston Landscapes and I have one in my house giant here we go that's sick yes beautiful photography I never even yeah when you say picture of a pool I'm just picturing just an empty pool but that's that's a great photo I got one of his the drum scans from his picture and I blew up one of them and it's hanging in my house but anyway I'm just proud of him he's a uh when I met him he was the Barb he was the uh person that checked IDs at Max Fish right we became friends because I well we were friends already but I would come to Max Fish and sit there and get free drinks while he checked ideas I love that man his brother was a bartender so I just go to Max Fish and Max Fish still around did they are they he's gone right so they moved but I think they're closed right now yeah I went there I can't escape bar for those people that know in New York man I think I ruined it and this is one thing I ruined the whole thing a little bit because on my blog I would always be like go to Mexico she's going to Max Fish and I think when I first started going there it was a really sort of a Bohemian kind of like artist hung out there musicians and then I started posting and I think ruined it I think people would come to town skate teams be like we're going to Max Fish and then a couple years in it was just all skaters how funny is that that I mean nowadays we blog isn't even really in our vocabulary anymore I mean the blog turned into Vlog I mean blogging seems so yeah Instagram killed it like I once I got an Instagram account I never that was the the thing that made me stop posting because now you have access you have your own post on Instagram yeah because sometimes I think about it was like how many views I used to get and I was kind of like what was the typical view what are you talking about I don't know but I just remember it was in the millions when I look at total in views ever on the site and this is a skateboarding right but it's funny because now I don't have I don't party I don't have anything to post I pick my Instagram is just like my kid and camping and just some [ __ ] like I don't I'm not like you're it's pretty much epically later my influencer days are over it's pretty it's pretty much later but back again back it's later but back then you know partying every night sure yeah up to trouble yeah what is that I mean does that a lot to deal with back then when you're like this guy behind the camera or like a photographer now you're like you're kind of this famous dude was there any did it did it like you partying with the fuel like well let me get a lot of attention I I remember it was I lived in New York and I would well when I first moved there yes drinking partying bullshitting like constantly right and like a little bit like this happens to a lot of even Pro skaters that go to New York you you kind of blow off the thing bars are open till four you just get sucked in sure on the blog started in kind of that and I remember around when I turned remember when I turned 30th and I remember about two months had passed I hadn't gone out at all and I was thinking about rent was cheaper in LA and I could have a yard and I was like I'm not even taking advantage of New York anymore I'm not out till four just going to bed at 11. and there was a little bit of growing pain from being partier to responsible party or responsible and especially now with a kid I couldn't even I think that you know how your your your cells in your body replace over time and I have this theory that maybe after six years you're an entirely different person because everything is replaced itself interesting I am not the same person I look at the blog I'm like this is not how I would lit now I just hang out with my kid how long ago was did you uh because you're sober now right you don't understand how how long ago was that I haven't drank in a long time in a long time okay and um more than six years yes okay so we're we're maybe two or three times the person you were before yes okay I have shed my skin many times because sometimes I have friends I'm not never friends do you ever look at Instagram and you get like jealous a little bit you see all your friends hanging out like sometimes a little fomo here and there yeah you're like normal oh why didn't I get invited and then but you don't miss it do you and then I'm like I just wanna yeah yeah I wouldn't have gone yeah I just wanted the opportunity I just to turn the invite and then yeah no I think I just went I looked at like a nativa party it was like a Teva and Jerry and Tino and all my friends Spanky or well those are the ones no spaggies Spanky's on team dad with me we have like a dad group chat he's like me and the responsible you know minute our friend minute it sounds really familiar yeah he's on the dad group chat we call him Duke because he's so tall Manute Bol yeah his boy his name's Chris shantine oh okay oh it says anyway we just we're on a dad chat I remember one time I saw the the chat that all my other friends were on and then I started looking at it I was like I'm kind of glad I'm not on that yeah that just never stops either and you're like yeah I just not even into this right now the one you put on silence even though it's fun to look at you just gotta have it on silent yeah yeah so I've been going to bed at like yeah like 9 30. oh my kid woke me up at like six today he's like Daddy wake Daddy come see this daddy and we went I think he was just showing me that the sun was up because I went in there wasn't he didn't show me anything no no he's like wake up look at this light out it just said how it goes dark pretty much it's so funny man as we get older bro I I mean it's I I speaking on it was funny because like I for some reason in my building I stopped getting mail like a month or so ago mailbox empty all the time no mail no mail nothing no mail and I was like yes I am finally I mean you'd get junk mail you'd every time I'm every day my mailbox is full of all this junk and I'm so I was so happy that I'm never getting mail again and now I'm actually bummed because I'm like what am I missing out on is somebody trying to send me something that I yeah where's your Woody you're not getting my mail stopped I have no mail no no nothing well guess what though you're getting a lot of spam email that's for sure Kelly already knows that mail's not going away yeah I asked someone for fans once in when I lived in New York I asked Robin Fleming to send me some Vans I was like something like half cabs they never came and I didn't Hound her about it and then one time I went in the lobby and the building manager was standing there and he had half cabs on yeah and he was like he six-year-old man from India doing the half cabs on and if it was if it was the Authentics you might be like well maybe you bought those but with the half caps I just knew he stole my shirt he's wearing the evidence right there in your building yeah I I was kind of just stoked on it it's not like he got my shoes he didn't even question him no I just let him I just let him live dude yeah yeah nice shoes Caballero fur cap Street cab you know who he is Listen Patrick this has been incredible dude I want to thank you so much for everything you've done man I mean you shaped a lot of people as including myself uh as a skater you know and what I feel like you guys took me out what do you mean I feel like you hung over right now the nine Club is like the new epically later no well we came that's no honor to hear that but I don't think that we have we don't it's different styles if you want to find out why the dude got kicked off Thunder Trucks you could come in this is true we'll be sure everyone wants to know that we'll be sure to break that breaking news Thunder Trucks um so why did you get kicked off of Spitfire man I appreciate you guys having me I've been nervous I've been on a few podcasts or I wasn't that nervous but this one I've been like stressing about it for weeks and looking at it now we're done no sweating yeah but no reason to stress it you did a great job it might be it is getting a little warm combination you're gonna need a little air conditioning in here pretty soon yeah summer Summer's upon us how come you guys never have heathon Heath well actually what he didn't know is we're doing a back to back right now okay you come on I brought him it's like I was gonna foist them like slowly back away and have him come on you're gonna run out the door no and not because I don't want to I want to be on your show I'm just do you ever feel like you're the the Baseline boring person who brings these interesting people in and to some degree I can I can understand where you're coming from for sure yeah and so I I have that like uh thought who no one wants to hear from me and I want to hear from Dustin and that's the funny part about our show and I've said it time and time again you've probably heard me say this but it is the people behind the scenes that I love and I think are the most interesting not only the skater they have their own great story but it's the filmers of photographers the the movie makers the the team manager like I love the BTS stories man the behind the scenes yeah I wasn't fishing for a compliment but you got one if we we got one but you're right in that like I think about like we mentioned Aaron Meza or Tobin yell and Tobin we're waiting for Toby yeah or um many people Thomas tonight Bryce canines yeah there you go I want slashbox come on there what about uh oh this is a person I said now what about Daniel Harold sturt wow yes he's a good nose from him I think he would even be harder to get than Heath we just gotta ask Keith on the right day Heath is it the right day today [Music] we loved having you here though bro hell yeah he's Curt charting the bill good energy uh can we give you some nine clip stuff to stick home we got some coffee mugs we got a little let's just like stickers stickers more stickers I have a little fridge that I'm putting stickers on Raj may have some really great stickers we don't know right maybe Rush good stickers sticker collecting I got some good stickers at my parents house I gotta go I mean we're talking old yeah I got some good ones really yeah so I gotta I gotta hook you up shoe box yeah shoe boxes yeah boxes plural there you go Snickers are good because you know one thing I like about stickers is when we were kids they were all sick graphics and stuff and then they went through a phase where stickers were just the company name yeah and I'm glad it's back where it's like cool graphics and art I had a little I had a little college boy fridge in my room growing up you know just a little small thing but it's stickered up stickered up World Industries pitchforks all that stuff yeah Kelly we do the honors man will you grab them a couple little things oh damn he gave him a archived oh Jason what are these from those Tim Dowling gave us two how many packs we give of the silver Raj two I got three of them three packs those are the originals yeah I can't take them all that's it would be rude to take that many of these I'm gonna take like three it's just too valuable take four take four I can't deny you could definitely see those on eBay yeah those are original Jason Lee stickers too dude take some different colors See this is like bro for those of you listening here's wind stickers like yeah yeah this is when they make different colors for those of you listening it's a Jason Lee TV series sticker because he knew he was going to be on TV one day do you think these were Mark McKee Mark McKee drawing that's probably yeah it doesn't even say what brand it is Jason Lee yeah like it doesn't say blind is that going on your cooler I bought oh when I was filming big brother I was at Mark McKee's house and somebody I knew Justin Reagan had bought this graphic he's like yeah I got it for like 200 bucks and it was like an original graphic and I was like while I was at Mark Keys like do you have any graphics like that no and he started showing me boards and the boards were expensive and I was like no because Justin has this Chris Brown graphic do you have anything like that and I bought um remember the Rudy Johnson skull that was a parody of pal Peralta yeah I have like the weird acetate the original thank you amazing and I got this one do you remember the Jeremy Klein Jeremy Klein we're supposed to look like Norm Rockwell and he's like beat up kid yeah I had a I had a sitting on the thing right sitting on a little I have the drawing and we're talking like I had one of those boards a couple hundred bucks and I have the original and the one I have is not finished like why does it look like this and he's like oh I think I messed that one up and I started over so I have maybe like the first draft that was a slick bottom yeah so I have a black and white of that and the Rudy Johnson yeah and I shouldn't say this because someone else will buy them but maybe it's too late he had the [ __ ] up blind kids but he's like oh I want maybe it was like 500 each and so it would be like two G's and I just didn't have two G's but I was like that'd be dumb of me not to buy them but I bought the other ones and I was like I want the [ __ ] up blind kids this is amazing and he lives near you should run out he lives yeah lives he was close to here so I went to his house with cash and got two Graphics the Rudy Johnson and the chairman I had no idea that he just slangs Graphics like that and then somebody had yeah I think one of them I don't know what the graphic process is what it looked likes some sort of part of the process like it wasn't the original drawing it was like an acetate weird or whatever but it's a sick graphic because it's the Rudy Johnson skull that's so sick like the Ruby lip and then part of me is like man you've been carrying this around for like 30 years and you're just gonna like Let It Go for a couple hundred bucks to me so it's not something that he's like advertising and selling you just happen to I just was at his house like what do you got that's pretty amazing I want those [ __ ] up blind kids you should hit them up I still have this sticker packs that was just the Remake boards that was the thing I think as I was at his house I had the opportunity but then I started emailing them like hey I want the [ __ ] up blind kids he didn't respond yeah I just seized the opportunity and then I kept thinking like I need the but then the [ __ ] up blind kids might be weird in the living room every time somebody comes over you just have to explain yourself it was like jerking Jordan yeah hi guys rear end Rudy yeah why are these here hi guy rear end Rudy yeah so listen Patrick dude hold on first of all Patrick O'Dell thank you so much for coming on the show um these are actually worth more than those little Jason Lee stickers you have here some nine Club stickers I'll send you a picture of my fridge later yeah when it's all when it's all stickered up someone blown you up spam usually I put it on silence but nobody calls me anyway you know yeah night club mug for the morning tea or coffee I don't know what you drink but uh then listen we got to keep your feet warm even though it's getting summer out there we got some stance nine Club socks right fancy are the best socks they're great I wear stance every single day and that's just that's not enough wearing a stance I wear the baseball ones a lot with the players wear them oh so the one with the little uh strips on them yeah like baseball oh they're not the ones with the the stripe going up the side remember that I don't know because they do the MLB on-field socks and so I started getting I was like I want the ones though send those because you know how the sick baseball players wear them like pulled up yeah yeah yeah the lines on the side yeah like yeah are you a baseball fan yes what's your team St Louis Cardinals oh there you go you guys got the last place yeah you guys got good players but they're not gonna be Cardinals in about a week yeah deadline yeah listen the Cardinals suck man here's there's a nightclub thermos man Yeti you got to keep it hydrated out there and yet he's got a new one for the water here's a plastic one that's a BPA whatever the hell it is good stuff did you remember uh what was that brand oh [ __ ] awesome a long time ago they had uh shirts that said booze and shoes booze and shoes and shoes it was like one of their shirts like right when they started okay but it was a St Louis reference because one of the owners is from St Louis St Louis was first in booze first in shoes last in the American leg because whatever the St Louis Brown sucked but that's why it says booze and shoes it was like a St Louis Browns they became the Baltimore Orioles the problem is is I think he's so pro-giants that it's basically a giant skateboard oh that's I mean that's cool I mean but I was like someone does he have Dodgers fans on there like yeah it depends that rivalries gnarly I'm not like I'm not gonna fight you type dude like talk [ __ ] but I I just it's fun when it's in the moment but I love that history though the team well he's got a talking Schmidt he has another one another one baseball and skateboarding oh okay which I'm stoked on that sounds cool I'm gonna start I haven't listened I just became aware of it um I'm gonna tune into that one I can't remember I think the name's like of some skatepan that would be that would be kind of it would be weird but like I would like to see different people from different skaters from like different teams I mean I think would make it more diverse the guy Mariano cover Thrasher we had the Dodgers hat on mm-hmm because I don't know I was like amazed that they oh I know right yeah they're very strict on their stuff huh doctors years ago though yeah I was just shocked that they allowed that hmm that the Dodgers allowed that like Thrasher on their Instagram for years had the Giants logo and I was like they let guy with Dodgers hat you know why they let him because it's guy Mariana if it was me on there and they were putting the cup they would have been like no we're gonna pass on this one the Cardinals only got a Photoshop on there let's Photoshop them I always think about like what Pros like what team the Cardinals only have me I think Barra and Dave Mayhew it's a good line where are the Cardinals fans yeah you three are sitting in the Outfield so anyway yeah but we have we don't have a few is it like Jason wessler from there and uh Brad Johnson yeah wow I think isn't Jabari from there SF though yeah but those I've been saying they're from there yeah yeah sure there's a lot of the Boston skaters just like the Giants like uh Brian Anderson's Giants Phelps he's from Boston right but he's a he's Giants see what people don't realize is that we have our own skateboarding baseball park this is gonna be cut into two episodes this is a whole different episode this is two different it's where we started this is episode one he just made me so happy when he brought that was like oh this would be a good thing up to skateboarding up to bat you know we're missing out on right now is uh I always noticed I had like the New York skaters some of them have the Mets yeah and then I was like Bobby pulio usually has a Mets hat but then I had this whole photo we had a Yankees hat I was like oh you must have switched switched up it's like Clippers and I used to have Yankees hats just because I like New York yeah yeah and then sometimes I look at it and I'm like why am I [ __ ] wearing a Yankee yeah like it's kind of regrettable or I'd have a a Philly's hat because my initial is p right but like I don't I'm not a Phillies listen there's a lot of stuff I can look back on and be embarrassed about I think that we're in a good spot there's a good a lot trust me we're in a good spot right now dude thank you so much for coming on the show we appreciate you and thank you for everything you've done man and I hope something's gonna happen with epically later we'll see someone listening is gonna hook me up there you go here we go that's right epic related part two let's go thank you guys Patrick thank you [Music] [Music] thank you

Channel: The Nine Club

Views: 82,080

Keywords: chris roberts, roger bagley, kelly hart, crob, the nine club, nine club, the 9 club, 9 club, skateboarding, skate, skating, podcast, history, interview, news, motivation, entertainment, funny, comedy, thrasher, berrics, transworld, nike sb, street skating, switch tre flip, boardslide, skateboarding 2020, firing line, vice, viceland, epicly later'd, patrick o'dell, jason dill, josh kalis, heath kirchart, boosh, john cardiel, vans, nixon

Id: RZTADF2EZbQ

Length: 148min 51sec (8931 seconds)

Published: Mon Jul 31 2023