Gender Insanity and Parental Trauma | Miriam Grossman MD | EP 347

should accept yourself just the way you are what does that say about who I should become is that just now off the table because I'm already good enough in every way so am I done or something get the hell up get your act together adopt some responsibility put your life together develop a vision unfold all those manifold possibilities that lurk within be a force for good in the world and that'll be the adventure of your life [Music] kids are being led to believe and parents are being led to believe that you can step in with these very powerful medications these hormones and you can deny biology and you can pause biology you can create a Persona of the opposite sex without paying a huge price that is the lie that's being told that you're not going to pay a price for this oh yeah there might be a few side effects no no no I mean like a whole missing forearm for example and a penis that doesn't work and and sterility and lowered voice and decreased bone density and the increased probability of the development of cancer and no evidence whatsoever that there's any any mental health benefit and all the trauma that you put your family through and all the regret that's going to emerge later in life when you find out that you're sterile no ability to breastfeed and complete loss of erotic sensation in the nipples and etc etc you mean those risks those trivial by the wayside risks that are completely ignorable given all the Euphoria you're going to experience when you put your hand self in the hands of liars and butchers I mean that story [Music] thank you hello everybody I'm speaking today to Dr Miriam Grossman who I first encountered as a consequence of watching Matt Walsh's documentary what is a woman where she made quite a spectacular appearance Miriam Grossman MD is a physician author and public speaker she has been vocal for many years about the capture of her profession Psychiatry by idologues leading to dangerous and experimental treatments on children and betrayal of parents as I said Dr Grossman was featured in The Daily wires hit documentary what is a woman she's the author of four books and her work has been translated into 11 languages after graduating with honors from Bryn Mawr College Dr Grossman attended New York University med school completed an internship in Pediatrics at Beth Israel Hospital in New York and a residency in Psychiatry through Cornell Medical College followed by a fellowship in Child and Adolescent psychiatry Dr Grossman is board certified in Psychiatry and in the sub-specialty of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and so I thought it would be interesting especially given our shared interest as well in clinical issue matters because Dr Grossman is a practicing uh clinician I thought it would be interesting to have a further conversation so that's what we're doing today she wrote you're teaching my child what back in 2009 which is pretty damn early all things considered and she has a new book coming out later this year it's already available for pre-order you can check that out in the in the video description via URL link there it's called Lost in Translation a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness and so out of the madness that's pretty uh forthright terminology you might say so um why don't we start on the biographical side a bit you started to become concerned about the issues you've been writing and speaking about well obviously before 2009 because you wrote a book in 2009 and that usually takes a year or two and so you're an early Observer of things going seriously sideways on the clinical front and so let's go back to well the the the decade of the 2000s what were you seeing and why do you think you were concerned about it when so many of your colleagues my colleagues well are still not concerned about it let's say yes well what happened is that I was researching uh sex education and what young people are taught in their sex education and I was doing that because I was working with students at UCLA at the time and there was such an alarming degree of sexually transmitted infections and abortions and and so on that I I was curious to know exactly what kids are being taught about sexuality and uh I was quite shocked to see uh what they were being taught but one of the things that that shocked me I think more than anything was I discovered this uh I like to call it a a belief system or an or an ideology of gender uh that kids were being told uh you know that there's that there's something called gender which is separate from sex and it's sort of like a psychological sex and that a person can uh uh have a gender that's at odds with their physical reality and that that is normal and healthy and in fact it's wonderful to explore what your gender might be and so on and so forth all the things that that we know about that are being said right now and that that I mean I I just couldn't believe it I couldn't believe that um first of all uh you know it it's not so you you cannot simply um claim that that you can divorce your identity from your physical reality and all that is just all fine and good um that's dangerous and and I knew from the second that I saw it I was very concerned about the um the destabilizing and confusing effect that that would have on young people I mean right I mean we we want as you know in Psychiatry and psychology we want people to have a stable identity people want to know who they are they don't want to be confused about who they are and they certainly don't want to be confused about something as important as whether they're male or female and so when I when when the pronoun legislation came out in Canada bill c-16 which mandated gender ideological related pronoun usage well in personal conversation I told the American or the Canadian Senate that that would cause enough confusion to produce uh uh psychological epidemic among young women because the literature on that's quite clear going back several hundred years and it I think you can make a pretty strong case and you do this to some degree in your book in chapter seven that there are few more fundamental perceptual categories than male and female I think they might be that category system might be as fundamental as up or down and or black and white or light and dark those would be the only ones that I can think of that are in the same at the same depth of of cognitive necessity perceptual necessity you know one of the things that people tend to think when they think casually is that if you have more choice you have more freedom and more choice and more freedom is always good but the problem with that is that a plethora of choice so excess Choice excess option produces not Freedom But anxiety because there's only a limited amount of information that you can deal with at any given moment and if people are put in a situation where everything is up for grabs they're not free they're terrified and that's part of the reason as far as I can tell why rates of depression and anxiety among young people have skyrocketed recent years especially among young women who who are also the ones who are most likely to fall prey to psychological epidemics in general and the one that we're in now specifically so and I certainly agree with that um and especially when one of those many choices that we're providing to young people is to deny reality so it's not just that we're providing them with too many choices you know like when you walk down this cereal the cereal aisle and there's like 200 different kinds of cereal and you get dizzy from it that's not what we're talking about we're talking about one of the options here is to actually deny reality and not it's not I would even go further than that there's a there's there's a celebration of denying reality there's a celebration of being confused now you'll note that in the uh you know that that that lgbtq uh includes that cue and I think that's very important to look at when you include the letter Q in the list of different identities lgbtq and then plus the Q stands for questioning now since when can questioning actually be an identity and I the the the the the meaning of identity is that it's something that is more or less fixed not that it's something that's a big question mark [Music] inflation has consequences as the FED raises interest rates to combat out of control government spending long-term bonds are diminishing in value which is crippling the banks depositors are holding their breath and investors are bailing on Bank stocks diversification has never been more important the recent surge in gold prices is directly tied to an extremely volatile Market that is why gold has historically been a great hedge against the stock market and against inflation trust the experts at Birch gold group to help you diversify into gold text Jordan to 989898 to get a free info kit on gold Birch gold will help you convert an existing Ira or 401K into a tax sheltered Ira in physical precious metals with an 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natural and social environments and what you feel you are is not going to be a useful identity if it's not integrated with other people you know Piaget pointed out for example that developmental psychologists the children have to integrate their ability to play in a social context they have to negotiate an identity even when they're just playing a game with their friends and identity itself is socially negotiated which the lefties should know because they're all bang on about constructivism constantly and so the idea that's identity is only subjective and that it's only defined by what you feel is unethical that's an unethical stance for clinicians to adopt but it's also completely impractical because your identity is the game you play with your intimate partner it's the game you play with your family it's the game you play with your community like you have to be nested socially at multiple levels of the social hierarchy in order to have a functional identity and then to replace that with merely what you feel and to enforce that by Fiat well the only thing that could be more counterproductive than that is uh as you pointed out an identity that's only based on questioning which is just a pathway to you know existential angst and hopelessness well we have to acknowledge that aside from being unethical and confusing it's extremely dangerous because yes and we we we have to always keep that in front of us you know I spend a lot of time talking with families parents kids and uh people who have been through this ordeal and so I always have in front of me Dr Peterson there their faces and their words and one of the reasons that I wanted to do this interview with you is to give those people a voice there's a whole population of individuals and I'm speaking here people have already talked about the detransitioners and you had Chloe Cole on which was amazing but I want to speak about a different population and that is the parents the parents of these young people who have fallen into I'm going to say this this darkness and this this confusion um these parents uh are are are traumatized and let me tell you let me just tell you a little story I a few years ago um I joined I joined a uh support group an online support group of parents uh who were new who's whose kids had recently announced that they were the opposite sex or neither sex and you know there are these these private Facebook groups and other groups that that parents attend and they generally are Anonymous and they have to be vetted and you know there's there's this huge process that they have to go through that takes weeks and weeks in order to get the support that they need um because our profession the mental health profession is not giving them our profession is demonizing them so they demonizing you're saying you're saying demonizing the parents who are concerned about what's happening to their kids on the gender education front yes the the parents that will not immediately you know jump into affirmation and that are a feeling of very strongly that this is not you know the real issue that the real issue is that the child has underlying trauma or Autism or anxiety or what have you the real issue may be that the family has had a lot of you know there's been crisis or there's been losses or deaths or covet or what have you and the family is saying look my child is now saying that you know that they're transgender but I really feel that there's other things going on here why are you immediately giving us a referral to an endocrinologist for for blockers and testosterone and those parents are are are traumatized because well the traumatized for lots of reasons okay let's let's list their their traumas and I have a whole chapter about this in my book because honestly Dr Peterson I am so troubled by the by how these parents have been treated and are being treated by the mental health profession by the medical profession yep by them yeah well well you know the most common problem that I've seen emerge out of that is this so the American Psychological Association announced in its its guidelines for gender affirming care that there were no valid long-term studies of the psychological consequences of transitioning and they attributed that to um the Prejudice on the part of clinicians and researchers against the trans Community which is of course absolutely Preposterous um uh accusation but be that as it may but then three or four pages later they said well you know the evidence is very clear that if you don't help people transition early that their mental health outcome is much worse including the risk for suicide now both of those can't be true we can't have an absolute dearth of long-term follow-up studies on the gender transformation front because of prejudice in the research field and know without a doubt that youthful transition is the best Pathway to mental health which it most certainly and 100 percent is not but that hasn't stopped idiot coward psychiatrists psychologists social workers Etc from saying such things to parents as well would you rather have a dead trans a dead child or a live trans child and so they put that at the feet of the parents which is well if you object to this then all you're doing is increasing the suicide risk for your for your troubled child which is about as cruel a thing as you could possibly say to parents I can't imagine something more manipulative and also something so ungrounded in anything approximating clinical fact now it is the case perhaps that a young woman who is troubled emotionally who takes testosterone might feel a momentary Improvement in mood that's a consequence of the physiological effects of the testosterone but there's no evidence whatsoever that that's actually linked to the gender transition process now you don't see the same elevation in Mood by the way as far as I've been able to tell from the research literature in the case of boys who are transitioning to girls and that also indicates that it's more than likely pharmacological but it is the case that the medical profession the counseling profession has been enticed into this situation and also compelled by legislation gender affirming care legislation to outright lie to parents about the relative risks and you know like I know that these kids who are gender dysphoric they're underlying condition is something in the broader depression anxiety realm and that the gender dysphoria is only a it's a variant expression of that underlying uh broader psychopathology so um look at what if we look at what's happened in our conversation here just the past few minutes we can see the pattern of what is happening on a broader scale in all these discussions which is that we always return to the child now I'm not saying of course we have to talk about the kids obviously we have to talk about the kids but we have to talk about the parents and what all this is doing to families it's a destabiling destructive uh uh uh uh event in the family it's an ordeal that's that they'll have to go through for years and years and you know the way that I'm going to describe it to you I I don't know if you saw the movie Gone With the Wind but there's a there's an iconic scene in Gone With the Wind and I'm going to use the description of that scene to help you understand where I'm coming from so the scene that I'm talking about is when Scarlett O'Hara is panic because Melanie is in is going to have a baby and she runs to find the doctor to help with the delivery of the baby and she goes in order to find the doctor she goes to this um it's like a makeshift Hospital on the grounds of a of a of a train station and you see Scarlett O'Hara walking through this just massive area of hundreds and thousands of injured moaning you know bleeding soldiers and some of them are dead and a lot of them are being carried away on stretchers and they're they're moaning and they're calling out to her well Dr Peterson that's that's that's what I'm that's what I'm seeing that's what I'm hearing all the families remember for every kid that has fallen into the gender ideology uh trap or whatever we're gonna call it the ideology the pit there are lots of other people not just parents they're siblings there's grandparents there's aunts and uncles and cousins there's a there's a huge ripple effect on people and we need to see that because it's not only the kids that are the casualties the parents the parents have trauma and they are grieving and it's all it's none of it is acknowledged except by each other in these secret groups that they have and so what I did about a year and a half ago I felt so troubled by what I saw going on and all these people calling me and well not calling me but emailing me and you know I the parents and I I I'd meet them and hear their stories and see their anguish and um you know a lot of their anguish was over my colleagues my colleagues in medicine so I felt that I wanted to speak to these parents um not just individually but as a group so I'm in touch with with a lot of the the parents of rogd kids and we arranged uh an online is what rapid onset gender dysphoria yes that's the psychogenic epidemic correct okay so this is rearranged yeah these are not the kids who like jazz Jennings for example from the age of two is you know comes to their parents and says you know I'm the opposite sex this is a whole other thing um this is a social contagion it's fueled by social media um Lisa lippman described it I'm sure that you've had other people probably discuss that but um yeah so I did a few zooms with the parents 50 60 parents and I did it as much for them as for myself honestly I really felt that I needed to say a few things to them and the gist of what I told them was I wanted to acknowledge the the the horrific ordeal that they're going through I wanted to acknowledge the trauma that they are going through real trauma I'm not using that word you know people talk about you know being triggered from some little thing and they get upset you know they got a bad haircut or something they got triggered I'm not talking about that their equestrian hat doesn't fit right the newest one yeah okay this is genuine you know this is genuine post-traumatic stress disorder but it's not post they're still going through it the trauma is ongoing okay day after day and week after week and sometimes year after year so they have they have a stress disorder and they also have grief from their losses and so when I went on to that Zoom with them I I I and I wanted to recognize that because my profession is not recognizing it and I thought that it was important that they hear from a psychiatrist that that I knew how traumatized they were and how many losses and how much grief they were dealing with and that I knew that my profession has abandoned them by and large are there exceptions well of course there's there's exceptions but by and large if you look at the mainstream authorities right the American Psychiatric association the American Psychological Association the endocrine Society the American Medical said on and on and on we have abandoned these parents and their children I believe but I'm just talking about the parents how do you account for that the fact that in in such short order all of these high-level governing bodies and associations not only on the psychological front but as you pointed out on the psychiatric and medical front have gone full uh have announced their full support for all of the presuppositions that are producing this psychological epidemic I mean how do you how do you understand that and and how did you see it make itself manifest in 2009 yeah can I can can I want to go just go back I didn't finish with my talks to the parents I'm sorry please do yeah I just want to I don't want to finish that one part so what I you know I I was looking at my screen you know at the the grid of of of all the different the parents that were listening in and I said to them that as a psychiatrist I am acknowledging the ordeal the terrible ordeal they're going through and that they have experienced and are experiencing trauma and when you're you know your daughter comes home and her voice has dropped and she's growing facial hair that's traumatic and when your son comes down the stairs to go to the traum in a to go to the prom wearing a dress and heels and makeup that's traumatic uh and worse of course there's much worse than those things you know when you learn that your daughter is scheduled to have a mastectomy when you learn that your son is having genital surgery in their and these their kids are going to be sterilized and they're never going to have you're not going to have grandchildren these things are traumatic and they are losses and I apologized on behalf not that anyone from the my profession chose me to to speak for them but I decided that I wanted to do that and I apologized and I looked out I looked at that grid you know as when you're doing a zoom and there's a lot of people there and I noticed that almost you know more than half the cameras eighty percent of the cameras were turned off I could only see really a few faces and at the time I I really I didn't know why that would have been I thought maybe you know they're in the kitchen or they're busy or I I really didn't know and then I found out later on Dr Peterson that their cameras were off because they were crying huh they were crying just to hear a professional a mental health professional say to them yeah yeah you're traumatized you you you are dealing with grief with serious grief just like the trauma of someone that went through a natural disaster or 9 11 just like the trauma of parents who are told their kid has cancer no less than that and in fact more complicated than that because your trauma and grief is not acknowledged it's disenfranchised and as you know disenfranchised grief complicated grief is much more difficult to live with to deal with and to heal with so when you have a a terrible loss and grief and you can't even share it with people at work or maybe even your own family um and maybe you're you know your other children are are uh are endorsing the unreality and are using the new name and pronouns maybe even your spouse is and so some of these parents are living with such deep loneliness in their grief and I I just feel a calling to to speak out for those parents and and and to give them a voice because they are terrified to be identified most of them they for various reasons uh they don't they don't want to be recognized for for their beliefs uh in terms of their profession uh they don't they're still hoping that their child is going to desist and come out of the gender confusion and they don't want their child to be aware that they're speaking out so when I speak to parents you have to understand they're very often in their cars they're in the basement they're in the garage they're in their bathrooms whispering so you're you're not speaking merely of disenfranchised grief so we could Define that as someone isolated who's unable to pour out their heart let's say to anyone who's willing to listen you're actually talking about demonized grief because the under story here is that in our current political and ideological climate if you dare to grieve about the fact that your child is being pushed towards surgical sterilization by idiot ideologues then not only is that inappropriate it's positively morally unacceptable right because apparently this is something that all good thinking people including parents should only celebrate and if you oppose it in any manner whatsoever not only is that inappropriate it's positive evidence that you're a bigoted misogynistic exclusionary you know racist homophobe all the satanic adjectives you can possibly imagine are going to be done and that so it's worse disenfranchisement and that you are the reason that your child's mental health has plummeted right you are the reason if your child makes a suicide it is your fault for not affirming that child immediately and what I have in my book is how you know advice for parents on how to deal with that for example if they have to admit their child to the hospital for a suicide attempt how to uh talk with the staff at the hospital about this issue when the staff is going to sit down with them the treatment team is going to sit down with the parents and say well you know you really you have to affirm your child this is why your child is trying to commit suicide so I give parents uh very detailed advice on that conversation that they need to have with the staff at the hospital or with this with their therapist or at the schools you know I am what I'm trying to do is to provide parents with the tools that they need in order you know they're trying to protect their child not only against the ideology but against all the institutions that we used to trust our schools our Mental Health Medicine the field of medicine hospitals you know the list goes on and on um those institutions that we used to trust parents need the ammunition and the wherewithal and the confidence to be able to go to them and say well hold on a minute let me just tell you about a b c and d and I give them the information that they need so there is no consensus on this issue you know parents and everyone is being led to believe that there's a consensus on this issue of how do we take care of these kids there is no consensus there is an all all-out uh war going on on a professional level that that that no one is hearing about because it's not being covered outside of people like yourself and other you know conservative media is covering the fact that there is an international debate going on and that there are countries who have made a 180 the most liberal LGBT friendly uh countries such as Finland and Sweden and and England as you know have made a 180 in this direction and so that a child living in in a Stockholm or Oslo is not going to be able to get those puberty blockers and that testosterone um without in general cannot get them if they are entered into you know in a very rare instance uh in which they perhaps are part of a uh a study in which they're closely going to be monitored and watched and given a lot of psychotherapy and so on and so forth but but in general kids are not going to be able to access those treatments whereas in this country in this country you walk in and get blockers after half an hour and this country you walk in Planned Parenthood Planned Parenthood has been particularly pathological on that front they had a gender Euphoria uh promotion advertising to kids the ease and low cost ease of access and low cost of the correct minimal counseling necessary to start them on puberty blockers which then turns into hormone therapy which then generally leads down the Garden Path to surgery these this advice for parents is this in your 2009 book you're teaching my child what to read in your new book lost translation no no it's coming up it's coming up in 2009 I I had no idea that things would explode like this in 2009 I thought that when I described what kids were being taught in sex education using our tax dollars that they were being taught all this rubbish about gender and you know born in the wrong body and you know it's it's a matter of it's oppressive to be taught that we are all either male or female and that we have to break out of that oppressive uh you know way of thinking I thought that binary yeah that that oppressive gender binary I thought that when I demonstrated that kids were being taught that there would be you know a huge reaction um sadly that did not happen and this huge reaction is only taking place many years later when we are being faced with this terrible crisis okay well so I thought unless you have another Direction you want to take this and I thought we might delve into the gender issue for a moment both scientifically and historically I want to I would like you to tell the audience a few things about John money for example so let's say that way but okay but I'm just I'll say one more thing let's just saying not the parent I'm very devoted to the parents okay we you know uh everyone is terribly concerned about the suicide rate among uh kids who are questioning or confused about their gender identity and of course we have to always be concerned one suicide is too many we're all on the same page about preventing suicide okay but no one is talking about the fact that you know what some of the parents are suicidal this whole thing is driving some of the parents to feeling suicidal and I'm talking about parents who have gone through the most terrible things in their lives and this issue this particular ordeal with their child seeing their child slip away and become someone unrecognizable both in terms of their personality and their uh physical persona and and in in terms of their future losses will this child be totally estranged from the family is this child going to come visit me when I'm sick in the hospital uh is this child you know going to come to their siblings weddings so you have to understand that even parents who are who you know who who went through divorces or cancer or 9 11 or what have you terrible things and they were able to go through those things without psychiatric help without medication this particular issue they tell me this is worse than all of that and now they do need medication and now they can't sleep and now they can't get through the day the season of Lent might be over but it's never too late to more deeply embrace our faith with the crazy leftist ideologies there is no better time to start building a habit of prayer and meditation join me and thousands of others on hallow the number one Christian Prayer app in the U.S download the app for free at hallow.com Jordan you can set prayer reminders and track your progress along the way not 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courts to do anything about it and also subject to the punishment of law if you dare to voice your anti-transition opinion I mean that's a pretty dismal corner of hell though okay so yes so I also address that I address schools I have a chapter on schools in this upcoming book understanding what's going on in the schools this book that's coming out Lost in Translation is not only a book for parents who have a child that is currently in this ordeal it's a book for parents who whose children are little or who have not yet been influenced to go in this direction I want to help parents to be proactive so that they can dodge this nuclear bomb and not be ambushed by it parents are being ambushed by this they don't expect it they think it's not going to happen in their family and I want parents to know that no family is immune and they must be prepared for this they have to get educated they have to understand what they're dealing with what the ideology is about I prefer to call it a belief system but whatever you know what the school what's going on in the schools in the courts what if CPS what if the Department of Family and and services knocks on your door and they're there with the police what are you gonna do I have I and I tell parents what to do when that happens what are their rights that's another experience that's extremely stressful for families for a family that's been striving to act in a decent and appropriate manner to have Child Protection Services show up on the doorstep especially with the police especially when they threaten the other kids let's say with being removed from the family and also make a public display so the neighborhood neighbors can watch and also set the parents who are conscientious back on their heels with regards to grief and guilt for being accused by the authorities of doing such things as abusing their children is that that's absolutely devastating to people I've I know many people to whom that's happened and that's just one bit of the nightmare that you're describing it's it's uh it's unfathomable how bad this is how evil this is well so so let's let's delve into that a little bit so I wrote an article a while back which I tried to make as hard-hitting as I possibly could and we published out in the Telegraph and I described the people who were engaged in this on the counseling side so our professions let's say as liars and the surgeons who are participating in this utter greed inspired delusional sadistic Madness as butchers and called for jail sentences for example for the people who were involved which is about as harsh as I could manage and you know the response to that column was remarkably positive uh expect first of all it was published which shocked the hell out of me and second the responses generally speaking were extraordinarily positive and given that and given as well that you know I know many of my clinical colleagues and many many uh clinicians around the world and it's not as if they don't have more sophisticated theories of identity than those are being put forth by the gender ideologues how the hell do you account for two things this I asked you this question earlier the absolute capture of these once respectable institutions which is appalling beyond comprehension but also the unbelievable cowardice demonstrated by members of the psychiatric psychological and counseling communities I mean some of it's ignorance you know you talk to counselors now and then who are so damn poorly educated that they buy the gender ideology but there's the vast majority of well-trained clinicians are wise and perspicacious enough to know perfectly well that these identity theories are to call them simplistic and deluded is barely to scratch the surface but they're unbelievably timid about coming forward and so what the hell happened like how did this capture take place and how do you account for this stunningly widespread dereliction of Duty and utter cowardice well said well said okay well uh this is one of the my goals of the book also is to educate parents so that they understand the background so you mentioned John money of course this goes back to John money John money introduced the idea of gender identity he coined the term gender identity and he said that uh the gender identity is is completely separate from biology and that it is something it is one's identity as male or female because back then of course we didn't have the non-binary and you know in between all that you know 47 different gendered stuff so in the 50s when John money was writing and speaking about all this we had male and female and his theory was that male and female is something that is foisted on a a baby a a child um by Society and that it is unrelated to biology he further said that men and women males and females have biological distinctions but they are limited to um uh menstruating gestating and lactating and that that was it aside from those three things uh everything else in terms of personality and uh preferences for activities or um you know cognitive abilities um emotional Styles perceptions that is all uh uh it's a social construct okay it's all put on the child uh in the first two and a half to three years of life and then John money said it's fixed so you know when you put the pink blanket on the little girl and the blue blanket on the boy and then you give them the toys and you give them you know you have certain expectations um based on whether it's a boy or a girl and all those things the frilly dresses and the you know the 50s was a time of course of of uh stereotypes so he spoke about it in terms of you know the the girl's gonna be in the kitchen making cookies and the boy's going to be out you know fixing the car with his dad and he said if you take a girl uh uh you know with ambiguity okay I'm sorry let me let me go back a minute John money's specialty his his interest was in hermaphrodites okay uh very rare uh babies that are born with ambiguous genitalia and those ambiguous genitalia are due to some congenital issue either endocrinological or or uh or due to the Chrome chromosomal abnormality and the baby is born they take a look at the genitals it's just not clear what's going on and that's where the term comes from this is important assigned sex at Birth assigned because in those cases and these were the cases that John money became an expert in and he opened up a center specifically having to do with I mean his PhD that he wrote in the 50s was on the issue of sex assignment of hermaphrodites what do you do it's a crisis you have to say we had a girl or we had a boy and so what do you do in those cases and you had a special interest in this now you and I know that when someone has a certain interest in their life that consumes them to the point that they they're writing their PHD about it they're studying it they make it their career there's usually a reason behind it and it's worthwhile exploring that reason now when you look at John money um when you look at John money and his early life and he wrote about this he was very open about it he grew up in a uh uh he grew up in a under the the the hand of an abusive alcoholic out of control father who would beat him and his mother so John money as a child was not only beaten but watched his mother being beaten he no doubt had a terrible childhood and uh that that influenced his his image of masculinity was this monstrous individual and he wrote later on he grew up on a Farm by the way and he wrote later on in one of his books that he realized that the world might be better off if not only animals but men were gilded at Birth castrated okay so gelded is the word you know used for animals so he said that the world might be a better place if men were gelded and he also wrote he said I wear the vile mark of male sexuality in other words we would call that gender dysphoria [Music] he's talking about his own body and he's saying that his genitals were vile to him that is gender dysphoria we didn't call it then we didn't have a name for it back then so clearly John money was uncomfortable to say the very least with his own masculinity and his own body so it's not a surprise that he would come up with a theory that if true would comfort him on some level that he is not going to become his father he's not his father even though he shares the same type of physical reality his body his genitals are are of a man but if his theory is true and there's such a thing as gender which is completely separate than biology then it gives John it gave John money like a way out right right of not identifying with a monster have you ever read the fine print that appears when you start browsing in incognito mode it says that your activity might still be visible to your employer your school or your internet service provider to actually stop people from monitoring your online activity you need expressvpn think about all the times you've used Wi-Fi at a coffee shop hotel or even a friend's house without expressvpn every site you visit can be logged by the Admin of that Network that's still true even when you're in incognito mode expressvpn is an app that encrypts all of your network data and reroutes it through a network of secure servers so that your private online activity stays private expressvpn works on all your devices and is super easy to use the app has one button you tap it to connect and your browsing activity is secure stop letting strangers invade your online privacy by visiting expressvpn.com Jordan that's ex-p-r-e-s-svpn.com Jordan and get three extra months free expressvpn.com Jordan well so you can imagine you can imagine the psychological impetus there is if you make the initial assumption that there's a certain degree of innate pathological aggression associated with masculinity and then you develop a counter theory that much of that is in fact socialized then there's a root out of it and that gives him well that gives him an easy out that that's the thing is that instead of having to contend with that internally he can also externalize that and make that a sociological phenomena I see this with the the insistence on the trans activists part that trans uh identity is much more common than it truly is and that it's immoral to interfere with its manifestation I see that as an extension of Freudian rationalization you know if you've taken a dramatic root in your life or something dramatic has happened to you you have every reason to justify your decision post Hawk and so so let's walk through what happened with money so he got involved in a very famous case which he certainly did he certainly did um but let's just uh tell your audience furthermore that he he wrote his PhD uh on hermaphrodites and on how to assign their sex uh and then he went on to open the first clinic in the United States for hermaphrodites uh for their treatment including their surgeries so he made available for the first time in the United States um a place where uh uh there would be gender reassignment or sex reassignment including the surgeries and the surgeries involved castration of course so we go back to what he said about being gelded uh and you know I can't help but think that on some level he might have been thinking you know I'm this is I'm helping these kids I'm helping these little boys by gelding them by castrating them and making them into women of course they can't be made into women but the way that he was thinking about it so he had his theory uh and he didn't have any way of proving it because I mean how do you prove something like that you until uh until this family showed up at his doorstep um and it was a family Canadian family from Winnipeg I think right um I think that's yeah yeah and they were the the reamer family a blue collar very young couple 20 21 years old um and they had a horrific tragedy in their family which is that they gave birth to twin boys the boys were fine and when the boys were well actually they had phymosis phimosis is a um abnormality of the um opening the the opening of the urethra at the tip of the penis so the the boys had phymosis and so the doctors um recommended circumcision for the boys and they went in when they were eight months old for circumcision and uh the first boy to go in for the circumcision was Bruce and the um the equipment uh the equipment there was a a malfunction of the equipment and they were cauterizing the the penis in order to circumcise it and instead of just that small amount of tissue that was supposed to be cauterized apparently the the uh you know the settings were Incorrect and the entire penis was burnt so Bruce's penis was burnt um you know beyond any functionality so these poor parents went home the other the other boy was not circumcised just obviously they went home and what are they supposed to do they have a boy without a penis what the hell are they supposed to do so months later they were um watching television and John money happened to be on there and you have to know also that John money was an extremely pompous um self-assured individual he was sophisticated uh when he talked you listened um he came across as being definitive being you know calling the shots knowing knowing what was going on knowing the research knowing the truth and he he in this interview on television said that a boy can be raised as a girl and a girl can be raised as a boy if it's caught if if it's done early enough and that um early enough means before the age of two and a half or three um and and the parents the reamer parents immediately uh took note of that and they thought here's the answer this this is the answer for for Bruce this is what we're supposed to do so they contacted uh Dr money down in uh in Baltimore uh and they and they made an appointment and took the twins down to Baltimore and went down there again you have to understand that this was a uneducated young blue-collar family and when they were interviewed later about their meetings with John money um they described him as like we just thought he was God we just thought you know this is I mean he's a professor and he's you know got all the diplomas and he's the head of this uh this this entire clinic at a at an outstanding uh University one of the major universities uh in in the world that was it Johns Hopkins right yes yes so you have to imagine this young couple coming and they're at a loss and they are looking for an answer they've been praying they're looking for an answer to their prayers what are we going to do with Bruce and John money says well we have an answer for you because male and female is actually not related to chromosomes it's not related to hormones it's not innate we can take little Bruce and we have to do some surgery on Bruce we have to castrate him and we'll remove his testicles he already didn't have a penis we're going to remove his testicles we're going to make we're going to Fashion you know some sort of um Elementary sort of female genitalia you're gonna give him a girl's name and you're gonna put them in pink dresses and give him dolls and raise him as a girl and you are never ever Dr money told the parents never to tell him that this was truly what happened and and you know after he was born never tell him because that will ruin everything and it's up to you you have to just work your hardest to raise him as a girl and make sure that everyone around him is Raising is considering him a girl because essentially he is a girl and so Not only was this the answer to the reamers prayers this was as you can understand now the answer to Dr money's prayers right right he had an experiment this was the experiment this was his proof of concept his concept was that being male and female is completely separate from biology it's imposed by Society it's a social construct and this was his proof of concept and so the reamers one huh well he had his surgery uh they took him home they named uh they named Bruce Brenda they put him in All the Girls clothing and they gave him dolls and they you know they did all the all the things and he peed sitting down sometimes because as we'll learn later he actually preferred urinating standing up which is astonishing we learned later that he always wanted to urinate standing up hmm and from the time he was in diapers I think he was told he was a girl so that really is fascinating but anyway um so they took him home raised him as a girl and uh Dr money started to follow the twins every year they would come down for a visit um the parents would spend time speaking to Dr money and then the money I mean the money there's a slip Freudian slip for you yeah Dr money would take the twins without the parents into his office and spend time with the twins so this went on for years and Dr money began to report on his study that became a famous landmark study um and he called them uh uh he called her Joan in his in his study he was beginning to write about this and lecture and he was claiming that Joan uh AKA Brenda AKA Bruce was doing great I mean uh she was adjusting she was she may be a bit of a tomboy he he would acknowledge that but in every way you know she was adjusting and she was doing well with friends and with schools and she liked playing with dolls and she uh would mimic her mom and he was giving this glowing glowing report from year to year and in his um in his uh you know professional writing of his his studies his report and he was giving talks um and he was getting you might imagine tremendous attention for this I mean you have to understand this was by now maybe uh you know the early 60s this is feminism okay this is the sexual Revolution this is a time when Society um or or at least part of society wanted nothing more to say that male and female is a social construct and that in order to gain you know full equality women have to be considered the same as men and you know to have a study such as this study of John monies in which he was reporting that this baby who was X Y you know normal chromosomes normal everything biologically but is being successfully raised as a girl because he has a girl's name and girls and dresses and dolls and all you know his entire Society his teachers and his grandparents and everyone is reinforcing the idea that he's a delicate girl who who who likes to cook and you know is going to grow up to have babies I mean this was huge now um what happened is that this theory of John Monies um became was accepted over over the decades we didn't find out what really happened with the twins until decades later um and in the meantime in during those decades his theory was became Doctrine okay his theory became just baked into um you know so many fields of uh both soft and hard science so that it it was standard that whenever you had um for example a an X Y uh or any any child that that had ambiguous genitalia if they could be raised as a girl they'd be raised as a girl so they'd be castrated just automatically why because of the great success because of what John money um proved to us proved to us and so lots and lots of boys all over the world I mean this was written into the you know the textbooks of endocrinology and the textbooks of uh genetics I mean this became a truth so to speak not that there weren't people uh you know other other scientists that were standing up and and saying uh John you know this isn't proven yet you know let's look a little closer I don't this is not necessarily the case but what did he do he wouldn't tolerate that John money uh you know was a tyrant he would not tolerate another uh uh psychologist or or biologist or geneticist standing up and trying to publish something that would challenge uh his great gender theory he would he he would arrange you know he would intimidate the um the editors at the scientific journals to not publish those articles yeah it's a lot of what's actually going on right now is very similar right so right um so what happened with the twins is that uh after decades uh in fact John money wrote a book in 1997 in which he said yet again that his twin study um that his that his gender Theory had been uh confirmed and supported by the results of this experiment with the twins and the following one one person experiment by the way a one-person yeah but even that one person it didn't work okay so in 1990 right yeah so in 1998 um uh what do we call them now not Brenda not Bruce but what happened is that we we we discovered that he he stood up and he said he he just blew the cover of this whole thing was a hoax and he his name was now David Brenda had become David and he was not only not only a man but he was married to a woman with uh and he had adopted three stepchildren and he worked as a janitor in a slaughterhouse right so that was David David reamer and people can go onto YouTube and hear him being interviewed about his experience of what it was like to be told um for 14 years of his life that he's a girl and to never ever ever feel that that was that that was his truth and and um what happened is that during all those years he he was not happy with his dresses and with his dolls uh he was he was he wanted to go play with his brother's tours he wanted to um pee standing up he wanted to uh you know he was rough he was he he he was he was so boyish that and aggressive that um kids called him uh cave woman okay they made fun of him because the way the way that he walked and his gestures and his interests were all so masculine and he was a miserable child and the and the family was miserable and on top of everything when he was going back when the family was going back for those yearly visits to Johns Hopkins with Dr money Dr money was sexually abusing those twins okay how he was forcing them to undress and um to uh to mimic sexual intercourse and he would say you know this is how this is what men and women do together and he would you know humiliate them and show them pictures and the point came why did they stop going down to Johns Hopkins the boys refused to go they refused to go back to see Dr money and the parents couldn't understand why they he was quite the stunning creep All Things Considered now the Johns Hopkins also closed that clinic down a not how long after these Revelations emerged well then that would have been Dr Paul McHugh who was a is a uh you know a giant in this area and he had the wisdom um and the foresight you know to understand what was going on he uh he he there were some studies that were done that would follow up on uh the individuals who had the sex reassignment to see how they were doing and those studies showed that they were no they were they were they were still really suffering uh they they weren't they hadn't necessarily necessarily benefited from that surgery and that sexual reassignment so and he wrote about that in a great book Dr Paul McHugh his book called The mind has mountains and he wrote a chapter called surgical sex explaining how we would be wise if we pay attention to their psyches and help them emotionally and psychologically and not try to change their bodies so Dr McHugh closed up John money's Clinic that is true but you know what the harm was already done by the time it became public knowledge and and actually it's not even to this day such public knowledge unfortunately um when it became public knowledge and a book was written by John colopinto called as nature made him the boy that was raised as a girl and it just told this entire story from A to Z it's a shocking shocking story and everyone should read that book um so by the time that book came out in 1999 or 2000 it was already you know that theory was already baked into sex education and and you know sociology and and psychology and um not I mean look I have a book Dr Peterson I have a book that was published in 1998 four kids I brought it with me show and tell this book came out it's called My my gender workbook and it has on the cover if you the picture here is half half a Barbie and half a Ken okay obviously a book for young people and the entire premise of this book is that the gender binary uh is false that we are not we do not all fit into this category of male and female and Mo and they're not talking about hermaphrodites or intersex okay they're talking about none of us no one fits into it it's oppressive and we need to rebel against it so clearly written by the author is Kate Bornstein an individual who um has had a very interesting gender Journey going back and forth born as a male then a female then back and then neither and this individual Kate Bornstein in 1998 again I'm just I want to emphasize how long ago this book was available and written for young people to challenge them and to um to to indoctrinate them with the idea that Society is placing on you these false restrictions Society is telling you that you have to be a boy or a girl and that is um that that is something that is it's like racism it's like sexism it's a terrible thing Patriot it's patriarchal oppressed yes and we have to break in its purest form so you know you have to understand that that this is very enticing for teenagers who want to believe in something and want the world to be a better place and they want to fight against something they want to fight against the evil so this is presented as another evil that exists in society so um you know and this and this book actually was recommended uh by oh gosh I'm gonna say I'm not sure the American Psychiatric association or maybe it was the American Psychological Association one of those major professional mental health organizations way before um the DSM acknowledged gender dysphoria was not a disorder so let me just be clear a book like this a book like this and and an individual such as Kate Bornstein who was had a very active schedule speaking on campuses public appearances um you know all over the place being made into a celebrity this is all happening at a time when Psychiatry still considered this a disorder I mean on paper on paper not identifying as male or female and not identifying I'm sorry with your biology in a way that's consistent with your biology was still called at that time of disorder oh yeah this is 1998. the APA only changed the DSM in 2013 so this is 15 years before that so what I'm trying to say is this now did what happened to David Reimer what happened did David Reimer committed suicide eventually didn't he yeah yeah yes so that's that's the denouement of that particularly true and and his twins so Not only was this a failure it was a and go ahead oh no it was a disaster terrible disaster he committed suicide and his twin brother died of an of an opiate overdose before him his twin died first the entire family was you know what what are the what kind of words what I mean traumatized it's not enough trauma is not enough to describe what that family went through my parents didn't know a lot that was going on and if they would have known that would never would have happened why me not saying anything uh the medical community was under the impression that my case was a success story I was shocked when I heard that people thought that my case was a success story so so what we should point out here is that that uh this experiment couldn't possibly have gone more cataclysmically wrong than it did right Not only was what money was saying was not true in the technical scientific sense it was an anti-truth and he falsified the data and it culminated in the death of two people the demolition of a family and the perversion of an entire culture that's and John money's Legacy and and he never he never publicly acknowledged it he never publicly acknowledged that um the twins had uh well that one of the I don't know what the John money died I think in 2006 and I think he had dementia but when the book came out and uh when John colapinto's book came out that that just like exposed this whole Calamity there was nothing from John money he was still alive he could have made a statement nothing I'm just saying that that's just another you know indication of what the morality the immorality of this person and the you know the the lack of of acknowledgment you know of that of what they're guilty of doing I mean you know I guess it's too much to expect we'll be right back first we wanted to give you a sneak peek at Jordan's new documentary logos and literacy I was very much struck by how the translation of the biblical writings jump started the development of literacy across the entire world the pastor's home was the first school and every morning it would begin with singing the Christian faith is a singing religion probably 80 percent of scripts memorization today exists only because of what is sung this is amazing here we have a Gutenberg Bible printed on the Press of Johann goonberg science and religion are opposing forces in the world but historically that has not been the case now the book is available to everyone from Shakespeare to modern education and medicine and science to to civilization itself it is the most influential book in all of history and hopefully people can walk away with at least a sense of that well you were you were making a case a bit you you were making a case a bit that part of the reason the psychiatric and psychological professions the medical professions did tilt in this gender affirming Direction was because money's research was taken as gold standard and the pathology of that research wasn't revealed until like 25 years later and so that excuses the profession to some degree but by by your testimony as well all of this started to become pretty public knowledge by about the year 2000 that the money experiment had actually gone cataclysmically wrong and yet what we've seen on the psychological psychiatric and counseling Front Medical as well is a doubling down of the insistence that gender is nothing but something that's socialized and that medical transition is the appropriate move Okay so it that's all flying in the face of evidence now instead of being supported by evidence and so what but you know what do you have any thoughts but not only that not only that it became more and more and more radical so where we are today and where we are I mean even this book in 1998 is much more radical than John money this at least John money said you know you're either male or female and that you need and that that's fixed by the age of three okay by 1998 kids were being told no no no no that's a that's an oppressive false binary it's all on a spectrum it's all fluid um and and it's fluid for your entire life and uh it's wonderful to explore and to question and no one can tell you who you are and just a million different ways it's it's so much more radical I mean I wish almost you know that we were back with John money's Theory because it would be so easy to um you know defeat to to it's so easy now we have so much information from hard science in fact if John money were living today he could never he he could never get published with such a theory that he had about gender and biology I mean it it it's ridiculous we have too much information about the impact of the chromosomes uh prenatally and uh you know the the the the impact of hormones so we we know now that men and women male and female you know it's not only different genitalia uh not only what John money pointed out you know lactating and menstruating we have each cell in our in our in our bodies except for cells that don't have a nucleus which are very few but every cell that has a nucleus is stamped male or female and it makes a difference right okay so there's a female heart you know the the we know now in cardiology that when it comes to for example arrhythmias there's a difference in the type of arrhythmias that a woman might get at a PO as op to a man there's a difference in the way that a woman who sustains a very a very difficult burn how her body might react to it as opposed to a man and this is true for every system of the body so so your point well so your point is is that not only do you see a gender difference a sex difference at the chromosomal level but you see it at the cellular level and you see it at the level of systems of cells so organs you see it at the level of broad physiology we talked about lactation and menstruation and gestation but there's the entire menstrual cycle there's the completely different effect of hormones all of that manifests itself in different perceptual patterns and in temperamental patterns that are Sex Type to a large degree and so the point here is that what constitutes sex is instantiated as part of identity at every single level of the hierarchies that people are embedded in biologically and then also socially because the social rules that are assigned to men and women are not merely arbitrary right I mean part of what you see with parents is that the manner in which parents socialize their children is much more directed by the children than people had originally presupposed and so parents who are establishing a genuine relationship with their children use the cues from the child's Behavior to govern their interactions with the child and so more feminine girls tend to be treated as their by their parents as more feminine creatures and more masculine boys Etc but the idea that that's all top-down socialization instead of bottom-up influence of biology is utterly preposterous even though human beings are quite flexible in the manner in which they can be socialized so well the thing is kids are being led to believe and parents are being led to believe that you can step in with these very powerful medications these hormones and you can deny biology and you can pause biology and you can uh create pause yes you can create a Persona of the opposite sex without paying a huge price that is the lie that's being told that you're not going to pay a price for this oh yeah there might be a few side effects no no no no you mean like a whole missing forearm for example and a penis that doesn't work and and sterility and lowered voice and decreased bone density in the increased probability of the development of cancer and no evidence whatsoever that there's any any mental health benefit and all the trauma that you put your family through and all the regret that's going to emerge later in life when you find out that you're sterile no ability to breastfeed and complete loss of erotic sensation in the nipples and etc etc you mean those risks those trivial by the wayside risks that are completely ignorable given all the Euphoria you're going to experience when you put your self in the hands of liars and butchers I mean not story okay so this is what parents don't know that they must understand and they have to understand this before their kid comes home and says Mom I'm not your daughter I'm your son they need to know this way before that happens and that's what I want to do for them yep now look the the way that the Legacy Media and the left-wing activists react to a conversation such as ours is to point out that we're scared mongering and that this is this doesn't really pose a threat to let's say the vast majority of people and it's of much more help to the small minority that it's aimed at than it is harm and that what we're doing is stirring up fear and gaslighting and you know all the sorts of defensive Maneuvers that the radicals engage in so why do you think it's necessary for all parents and so this isn't just parents who have kids with gender dysphoria why do you think it's necessary for all parents to be um what would you say aware of what's going on in the schools and why do you think that that's of sufficient widespread concern so that your concerns shouldn't be just dismissed as conspiratorial delusion first of all let's look at the numbers just in the past five years 10 years of this explosive growth of individuals who are coming in for treatment for gender dysphoria so there is a hysteria that we're in the midst of um you know it's it's a wave it's a tsunami I hope that we're at the the crest of the wave right now but we could just be at the beginning I mean you know just 10 years ago we had rates of you know one in in 10 to 30 to 100 000 people with with this particular disorder we didn't even have numbers it was so rare let's say 20 years ago it was so rare for a teenager to present as opposed to a little kid or an older person it was so rare for it for I mean even they were rare but it was even more rare for an for an adolescent to suddenly come out with this new identity and with gender dysphoria so um those people were so rare just 10 15 years ago and now we have studies showing you know 10 20 of a high school class in an urban High School might identify as not being male or female so I don't know where this is going is it you know is it going to 40 percent um that's why parents have to be aware of this I would also say uh in in terms of fear Monger you know the charge of fear-mongering and it's really only a minority of people who are going to suffer um we have no data whatsoever to support that no long-term data whatsoever the data that we do have shows us that the the regret uh over this you know massive life change and these surgeries might take eight to ten years to develop and oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and and and I would add that not only does it does it take time to develop it takes time to acknowledge it and to come out with it publicly and the research that we do have you do you have any advice I was going to say that those people that regret it they're not going back to the clinics and telling them there's no one keeping the statistics on them they're not coming back to their doctors and saying how how did you do this to me they can't sue it's too late yeah yeah so why have you got away with it I mean you know people are counseled pretty hard and it's really devastating for people to be canceled like I've seen I know about 200 people who've been mobbed for expressing opinions that aren't in accordance with the radical leftist ideology most people respond to that being mobbed and excluded as if they've contracted a pretty damn serious illness you know I've seen very well Jay bhattacharya The Physician from Stanford who was mobbed for his views on kovid he lost 35 pounds in three months when Stanford basically turned its back on him and I've seen my colleagues hounded into well into asylums in some circumstances as a consequence of this now you've been standing up against this for a long time and you dared to go on Mount Walsh's documentary which was you know quite the provocative move what is a woman can you tell me that oh you're at the women's March you must have some idea please if one person could tell me what a woman is you are not here for women we ask you to leave what is that um why is it that you've been able to get away with this and to be so to speak and to be able to withstand it what's different in your case do you think oh no I've paid a price oh I've certainly paid a price uh years ago when I worked at UCLA uh my first book came out in 2008 called unprotected and I challenged the political correctness of what was going on in that student health clinic oh I was I paid a very heavy price I was shunned people who I thought were my friends stopped talking to me after 11 years of very high you know positive uh annual reviews of my work suddenly after my book came out I got a negative review and eventually I had to leave I left because I became I was marginalized so why did you continue why didn't that stop you I mean look people often apologize right and they apologize and they backpedal and you continued moving forward despite the fact that you were facing substantial opposition for your views like why do you because this is rare this is why I'm concentrating on it you know lots of psychiatrists and psychologists and counselors know perfectly well that the sorts of things that we've been discussing today are 100 true they know it but they will not stand up and say it now you did and you got punished for it why didn't you apologize and quit okay I think there are two reasons I'm gonna say number one is that my parents were Holocaust Survivors and all of my grandparents and and a good pit a good bit of both sides of the family were uh were exterminated were were victims of the Holocaust so I understand tyranny and I understand lies and I understand why when when dangerous people stand up and and say falsehoods and they are followed out of um because out of fear and intimidation I understand that too well and I would say the other reason is that I'm a person of Faith deep faith and I believe that there are um that there are Eternal truths and I believe that part of why I'm here in the world is to stand up in my in my small way when I can to stand up for truth and to um protect especially young people in their families from this terrible darkness of Lies okay well that's a good place to end Dr Grossman I would say um thank you very much for agreeing to talk to me on YouTube today and its Associated platforms for everybody watching and listening um Dr Grossman I'll just remind you has wrote a book called you're teaching my children what back in 2009 and a new one coming out very soon Lost in Translation a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness she also appeared on Matt Walsh's documentary what is a woman which is where I encountered her work I'm going to talk to Dr Grossman for another half an hour on the daily wire plus platform those of you who would like to hear the continuation of this conversation slightly different direction or more than welcome to do so show some support for the daily wire plus people who've also facilitated this conversation and many like it um for all of you who are watching and listening your time and attention is not taken for granted it's certainly appreciated and to Dr Grossman well thank you very much for agreeing to talk to me today and for well telling all the stories you told to everybody who's listening I'm sure there are many parents out there who are tearing their hair out in utter desperation who desperately need something approximating the ruins of a life raft to cling to and at least you can provide some evidence that not every psychiatrist and counselor in the entire bloody country or the West for that matter has gone Stark raving mad and become cowardly and delusional and so we much appreciated on that front and I do think the tide is turning the closure of the Tavistock clinic in the UK is a big deal especially given the bombshell Revelations that emerged in the aftermath and as you said the Scandinavians and the Brits have have have adopted a much more sensible stance and comparatively rapidly and so I can't see that the U.S and Canada Australia and New Zealand can withstand that for very long so we'll pray you know that all this Butchery and lies starts to come to an end relatively quickly and then if it does well you've played some Cardinal role in that so hooray for that thank you you bet all right everyone we'll see you well on the next YouTube discussion or on the daily wire plus platform ciao hello everyone I would encourage you to continue listening to my conversation with my guest on dailywireplus.com

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