Douglas Murray ROASTS Disgraced Harvard President Claudine Gay

reaction to the resignation of the president of Harvard Claudine gay has been predictably divided for some the University's first blackhe head deserved to lose her job after accusations of plagiarism and a completely shambolic performance at a congressional hearing on anti-Semitism last month and Dr Gay at Harvard does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment yes or no it can be depending on the context what's the context targeted as at an individual it's targeted at Jewish students Jewish individuals so the answer is yes that calling for the genocide of Jews violates Harvard code of conduct correct again it depends on the context it does not depend on the context the answer is yes and this is why you should resign amazing all depends on the context apparently anyway some people are ignoring that and are claiming that there's actually a Sinister racial agenda in this sacking the uh civil rights activist Reverend Al Sharpton said that Gay's resignation is quote an assault on the health strength and future of diversity equity and inclusion well my next guest has done a lot of thinking about this subject and she says it's time to make Merit matter more than liberal box ticking delighted to welcome to un censored research fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institute the author and activist Ayan her Al Ayan heri Ali thanks so much for joining us on uncensored tell me oh Douglas thank you for having me well tell me first all what what do you make of the Reverend Al Sharpton's claim there this is all about race apparently it's not all about race it's about the mediocrity Mafia that he represents so well and that he has profited from for so many years and I think it's time that we ditch this diversity equity and inclusion uh movement that is really all about dismantling and degrading our institutions they're about expunging our history and they're about indoctrinating kids at school and it starts at universities and it goes beyond that and I really one of those people today who is celebrating the uh resignation of Claud gay but I think I'm also realistic enough to say that is just at the surface the problem is much deeper it started at universities it has spread to corporations it has spread to uh lower Ed you know from K to2 it's everywhere in America and I think it's time that we take a good look a good deep look at what's going on and this is just the start I agree with you I I mean this this is why it matters you know sometimes people think that what happens at Harvard is just a bit of ivy League stuff but it isn't as you say because it's it's going out all across the rest of America indeed the rest of the world I mean well the rest of the West anyway plenty of people in China are getting on with things anyway but um just just going back quickly to Claudine gay at Harvard I mean I find it pretty startling that this is a woman who became president of perhaps the most elite University in America and she's she published no books she published 11 articles in her career and it's turned out that much of them were just plagiarized stolen from other people so how did she even get there in the first place she has 50 allegations of plagiarism against her Douglas my grandmother would not trust claan gay to heard her goats she this woman could not be the president of Harvard I don't understand how this happened and yet I do and people like me you know Helen plos James Lindsay um there were so many of us ear who saw this years and years ago and who kept on saying this thing is rotten it's not going to go away we were told so many times oh it's universities you know radical ideas emerge in universities but over time they disappear no the rot is deep and this woman one small representative of it she's gone and my big worry Douglas now is that they're going to say okay this woman is gone the one p uh University is gone and you know we're going to have a new president we're going to maybe have a new board and move on and I think that would be such a squandering of opportunity for real reform let me give you another couple of reactions uh to her resignation uh this week Ibraham X kendi the author of a book called How To Be An anti-racist which I think the wrong title for it you should just take anti out um Ibraham X kendi said that in the wake of claudian Gay's resignation uh racist mobs won't stop until they topple all black people from positions of power and influence and Ida Bay Wells Nicole Hannah Jones uh one of the authors of the 1619 project of the New York Times said after the resignation academic freedom is under attack racial Justice programs are under attack black women will be made to pay I mean there are still people Clinging On to this aren't there Ayan there sort of um somebody must be defended simply on the color of their skin and all the claims of plagiarism which would get any student chucked out and all the inab ility to condemn racism which would normally lead to condemnation all that sort of brushed to one side because what really matters is just the color of somebody's skin to these people Abraham X kendi is a racist he is a certified racist everything all the work he has done all his actions are about promoting racism and so this man is being Ed what he stands for is being exposed and I think what's happening now is because of this exposure the kind of um they have this magical um I'm looking for the word the spell that they've been putting on people just by calling them places they would get what they want out of them they would get the positions the stagia the money I think all of that's going to disappear so they are now coming out in panic and saying oh my goodness everybody is a racist black people wellbe no black people will benefit from this finally those individuals who are black who have worked hard for their degrees and the positions they have and their businesses those people are going to shine and these like Mafia mediocre Mafia people they're going to be exposed and hopefully be taken to where they belong which is the death spin of history now um couldn't agree more but Ayan just tell me I mean it's it's it's it's so much wider this for the whole of society isn't it because I mean once once these ideas of you know prioritizing people because of their race or their sex or their sexuality once those things are pushed to the Forefront then all the issues of Merit get inevitably just pushed to the back back and that just has a trickle down effect on every aspect of society every job every recruitment process you're uh uh if I can say so I mean you're an amazing example of Merit in your own life uh you escaped a forced marriage went to the Netherlands learned Dutch which isn't easy became a member of the Dutch Parliament and built a career for yourself in Europe and then America um why is it though that this this sort of merit-based uh uh system why do you think it's become so unpopular because surely as you say it's it's it's it's the best chance anyone has it's not unpopular but this is a very loud minority that want to get a ahead only for themselves and then they are claiming they speak for All Blacks for all women for all uh you know gender identity minorities they don't speak for any of these minorities they do this so that they can get ahead Ibraham excis speaks for himself Claudine gay speaks for herself she doesn't speak for me I think it's very important Douglas to note that there are disparities in our societies there are large groups of people who are left behind and it's extremely important to tackle that and the way to do it and the way to lift up the people who are left behind is to make them a part of the values that make us come ahead the values of hard work the values of community the values of commitment of responsibility of getting up in the morning of lifting yourself up by your bootstraps that I think is what for me America is all about and we can do that without degrading the standards of what has lifted up everyone out of poverty and this is what these people are doing and I think it's time that they're exposed and called out and it's and this is just the beginning let's get down to where the hot is I could agree what but finally let me just ask you I mean this seems to have come about because of an idea that everything's a zero sum game you know if for instance if if women are going to be advanced in soet soety men have to be punished you know if if there's going to be more visibility of gay people you've got to punish straight people and degrade straight people and that if if you're going to make more opportunities or not even more opportunities just put people in positions of of more prominence in American society or British Society you've got to sort of beat up on white people a bit and all the Studies have shown in recent years in America and in Britain there was one again just a couple of years ago that this means among other things you have the Left Behind of white men young white men who nobody's speaking up for absolutely you hear that all the time you don't want black men to um move ahead and leave white young men behind you want everyone to advance and I think in order to do this we have to be really honest about the Frameworks that we have the framework of equal opportunity not Equity as they call it which is the e in the Dei which is about equal outcomes and we know where equal outcomes we know where hardcore socialism and hardcore communism we know where they lead they lead to more disparity more Division and they lead to the gulags and that's what these people are all about and I think it is I'm just really grateful that the conversation has now begun and that we can a address disparities and fight racism fight misogyny um stand up for people with gender dysphoria H and not have their suffering used against them so that people like the crazy transgender activists can get ahead um and I think Douglas I mean Happy New Year I think we are starting the new year off on a good on a good in good place well I agree but who' have thought that Harvard was a place which Dei went to die thank you very much Ayan her Ali you're welcome back anytime

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Published: Thu Jan 04 2024