NAVY SEAL On Blowing Down Doors, TBI, and Suicide | Joe Rogan and Andy Stumpf

brain trauma from that fight there is a I don't want to say there's a rash of suicides in the SEAL team specifically obviously the number 22 is throwing out a lot when it comes to veteran suicides but that's what has it 22% 22 veterans a day said is the number that is often touted I am hesitant to say that number is accurate because if you look at how it was derived it wasn't they could have done a better job of getting that number and I and I don't want to say inside of the SEAL Teams that there's a suicide issue even though I do know a few people that have committed suicide and they were the ones that I would least expect it from but they were also the ones who had quite a bit of high operational tempo and the one thing that I don't think especially in the military medicine world they understand well as traumatic brain injury and the impact it has long-term yeah and how easy it can be because you know this I've heard you talk about it before you don't have to get knocked out to get a brain injury right and I know I've countless times where I either did something dumb or was just standing in the wrong place or had a hard parachute opening and I cracked my head against the metal risers and your head hurts for the rest of the day yeah and it's I've seen the change in behavior in some people and I know the stuff that's tied to it as well the low hormones all of that stuff there that is happening I think at the highest levels in the military probably military why but specifically those people who were kind of more on the front leading edge of combat operations and I think as a country we're in a word a total unknown area because we're in a sustained period of war long and we've ever been as a nation and nobody knows the outcome of that and people who I would have never guessed would make the decision to take their own life I'll get a text and hey you know so-and-so just went out into the woods and it no other external injury no other marker than obviously something happened in the geometry between their ears that caused them to make that decision and I suspect it's from the repeated exposure to the brain injury yeah it's something that people are just starting to understand over the last couple decades I mean obviously there was a focus that concussion movie and you know I don't know if you saw that Bob Costas was actually pulled from football and they had told him that he'd crossed the line the announcer they pulled him they pulled him from doing what what event was it was it from the Super Bowl because he was talking about traumatic brain injury and the realities of it and they said you crossed the line he's like I crossed the line by talking about reality when it honest an open procedure that's not cool I mean that's what he does I mean that is Bob Costas is an entire hook but I mean he's he's a brilliant guy but this this problem was so poorly understood just two decades ago so everyone's just sort of coming to this realization that I mean according to dr. mark Gordon who have I've had on who works with the warrior angel foundation Andrew Mars setup where they're helping all these veterans and have traumatic brain injuries and I've had mr. Gordon on several times he says you can get traumatic brain injuries from things that don't even remotely knock you out he's like people get them from doing moguls when they ski they get them from from your brain just well get them from jet skis bouncing around on jet skis I mean you can get it from a minor car accident you can have a traumatic brain injury and for guys like me that got hit in the head for years who knows what the [ __ ] is going on in there you know and for professional fighters it's you know it's almost inevitable for football players it's even worse you know for football players they did some crazy study and I know we quoted it and I don't remember what the numbers was but it's some insane number like in the high eighty percent of people from high school on through college and into the professionals have TBI or CTE or the some signs of traumatic brain injury I'd be surprised that they didn't give them they're [ __ ] crazy it gets it is interesting - like I was saying so when I got medically retired they sent me to a medical facility called nyko which is attached to Walter Reed and it's the best care that I ever received because it's a civilian facility it's called the National intrepid center of excellence we did a lot of work with them back in the day for the UFC the UFC raised a bunch of money for that really yeah well the money was well spent because I went there and I probably would not have been medically retired had I'd not because I left with literally a hundred and fifty page dossier but it's interesting tying it back to TBI because I spent a lot of time as a requirement talking to psychologists and psychiatrists and it the TBI pts in the military gets interesting because it seems like they're treated as different issues and I'm probably misquoting the number a little bit I think there's thirteen recognized symptoms of both but there's an overlay of like eleven so I can't remember anything symptoms off the top my head but you could describe one and it apply both to TBI and post-traumatic stress so it gets even more muddled on how are you treating somebody for a brain injury are you treating somebody for a post-traumatic stress are you lumping everybody together it's just because I see a lot of people and specifically a lot of veterans getting stuck in that world where they've it's a lot of focus on pts but the reality is it could just be from the trauma received over a career or you know nearly two decades for most people to make it to retirement it's really tell well apparently blasts are a big one right like blowing down doors and things that you can you just step away and you brace yourself the impact of just the air the concussive force of it this is devastating for your brain the human brain apparently is just so much more delicate and sensitive than anyone could have ever guessed well an concussive blast or tough phone cuz they travel so here internally in a building and you find a door that's at the end of a hallway even if you go all the way down to the end of the hallway and around the corner the blast can still get you because it will come down off the door reflect off of the hallway and still rock you Jesus yeah it's it's I thought I had a good hiding spot more than once did not have a good usage of be like oh that hurt Oh more than one occasion or you're working with a bunch of [ __ ] who take all the good hiding spots damn it just turn around and just ball up and there's not really much you can do about that right I mean if you have to blow down that door someone has to be there to detonate you have to be close enough for it to activate right how are they doing it wirelessly they might be doing it wirelessly now when I was in it was called no Nell and it basically it's or shock tube so you put a charge wherever adult a gate a door oh and you basically have to attach and initiate or to it because the charge isn't gonna go off by itself so you need a highly reactive charge to set off an explosive that is less reactive you keep them separate obviously for safety except for the main breacher he probably has at least one hooked up so he can be really fast but then you just extend that flash tube and it's they come in long reels I mean that you can get 30 40 50 feet and each charge mathematically we do math on it to determine the minimum safe distance out of every charge and it's written on the charge so you know how far you can get away but sometimes you're in a situation where like I said that you think you got an awesome hiding spot and the guide lays out the flash tube and he's getting ready to fire it off and you realize that you're staring directly at the charge you have nowhere to hide and they're not gonna wait on you so it's turn around cover up into a ball and eat it oh this is our best way to eat it open your mouth and cover your ears immediately yeah open your mouth yeah allow it in sits instead of overloading like your sinus cavities and your ear canal so you can cover your ears and open your mouth it helps if something's gonna go off really close to you open your mouth and cover your ears yep what what what's the difference between opening and closing the mouth the effect of the wave and my understanding that contain pressure inside of your body as opposed to giving it a an avenue to escape Jesus Christ one of the things they're realizing apparently about concussions is that even just getting hit in the chest can give you a concussion from the yeah the head because you're you know you get hit in the chest and you're like I don't even get hit in the head you got just getting hit in the chest makes your head snap and it makes your brain swish around inside your head and that's what gives you an injury I just remember earlier on I mean like in the mid-2000s it wasn't the only question was does your head hurt like that was the beginning of whether or not you might have sustained a concussion and then obviously learning much more now and where we're at it's like yeah you may not have even had any sensation in your head but you know it's kind of crazy when you think about how long people have been studying the human body and this is just something they've really got a real understanding of in the last couple of decades I don't even know if I would characterize it as a real understanding I think they're farther along than they were to two decades ago but I think the amount we know versus the amount that we don't know is much more weighted on the amount we don't know

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Published: Mon Feb 18 2019