Millions of Dead Genders: A MOGAI Retrospective

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Nice video. It is important that people in the MOGAI community were mostly young; people have been too harsh on them considering that (and too harsh period).

I want to make a point, though, that you can be a transmedicalist inclusive of nonbinary people. I consider myself a nonbinary transmedicalist. I think that keeping transgender identities medicalized gives people an ethical incentive to respect them. People need to understand that these feelings are involuntary so they'll want to accomodate trans people. People should be free to reject strange opinions; when transgenderness isn't associated with involuntary feelings, it looks like a radical social movement trying to force weird opinions on others.

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Hey OP, sorry the response here was so shitty. I really enjoyed your video and it gave me a much-needed new perspective on the mid-2010s Tumblr scene. Seeing the way the rest of this sub responded, I've concluded it's time for me to remove this one from my subscriptions.

I hope you have a lovely day!

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We think of history as a series of actions  deemed important enough to put into writing. On the surface, this makes sense: most of history  took place when few people could read or write, so if something was recorded,  it was probably important. Fortunately, this means we have a good idea  of the big-picture stuff: international trade, the battles and wars, the  emperors and their empires. But a sad consequence of this approach is that the  little details of human lives largely disappear. Minutiae that reveal the complexity in all  of us, and draw a throughline from past   to present... mostly end up lost to time,  because nobody bothered writing them down. Or so the story goes. You can’t blame people for believing  that anything we didn’t lose,  anything that made it through the  Great Filter of human history,   must be meaningful, if only  by process of elimination. It’s a nice thought, but kind of naive. It  places humans at the centre of the universe, and insists everything sits  around us by the hand of fate. It ignores that many histories have been erased  on purpose, not by the simple passage of time. This understanding of history  as “whatever records survived”   fails us now more than ever, in the 21st century, Because in the information  age, we have a record of   almost everything… but most  of it is entirely worthless. Every thought I’ve expressed on YouTube, Twitter,   or Facebook lives on in the  cloud, long after its deletion. Every ad I’ve opened on every device  I’ve owned, every website I’ve visited, every person I’ve messaged, and every website  they’ve visited; thoroughly documented. Information you or I have no use for,  but that is very handy for advertisers. You can actually request a report  on all this info from Google.   Mine takes up a little over 10 gigabytes. And setting aside data harvesting,  the internet is inconceivably massive. The WayBack Machine is a  service that archives web pages.   It currently has 514 billion pages archived. How many of them are valuable?  We literally can't know.   In the time it takes to read a single  page, a quarter million more get added. So we find ourselves, once  again, at odds with history,   but for the opposite reason as before. So much of our times get recorded that   we can’t hope to filter through and  keep track of everything valuable. Inevitably, almost all of the  internet will fade into obscurity;   never to be read or referenced again. No corner of the internet  exemplifies this better than MOGAI. Thousands of blogs, HTML’d with care and  updated diligently, then left to gather dust. Tens of millions of posts outlining bright new  ideas that surely felt vital to their authors, never spoken of - or even thought of - again. If  any corner of the modern internet will be lost, it’ll probably be ones like this -  abandoned even as they were being created. I think that’s a real shame. I’m here to make a  case that this largely dismissed online movement, known mainly as a laughing stock,  deserves a critical second look. It might not look the part, but I think  MOGAI stands to teach us a lot about how queer people find each other; how young  people interact differently with culture; how online communities form and thrive  and then parasitize one another. To let it fade into that error 404, domain  expired, goodnight, would be a waste. So let’s talk about MOGAI. MOGAI is a social movement that  originated on Tumblr around 2013. Its name stands for “Marginalized  Orientations, Gender Alignments, and Intersex”. If you think that sounds like the same  thing as LGBTQ+, you’re not wrong. The MOGAI scene emerged as a response to a  perceived problem - that, try as we might, the LGBT community can never  be perfectly inclusive,   because there are only so many  letters you can fit in the acronym. The idea is that having only Lesbian,  Gay, Bisexual and Transgender in the name implicitly devalues anyone in the  “plus”: non-binary, pansexual, and so on. But since adding a letter for every  identity becomes untenable quickly, a truly inclusive community should  do away with the acronym altogether. “Marginalized Orientations, Gender Alignments,  and Intersex” intentionally casts a wide net, without centering any one  group. Right from the start,   the movement was heavily focused on language. And while they took it a lot further  than most, it’s not exceptional that a queer community would form around  shared language. Let’s look back in time, and learn how things were before  the cursed internet came into play. Historically, labels often become popular when  they describe a group’s lived experience better   than the existing language. Often, a label is  adopted when a group of people recognize what they   have in common, and aim to organize around it. The word “bisexual" is a great modern example.   Up until the 1970s, what we now know as the LGBT  community was mainly called the Gay and Lesbian   community, because language and activism around  gay men and lesbians was the most developed.   That doesn’t mean there weren’t bisexuals or  trans people in the gay community - there were,   many of whom were very influential - but no  label to describe them was commonplace yet. But while bisexuals and gays share lots of  common ground, being bisexual also comes   with unique experiences and challenges. It became  clear that closing that lexical gap and affirming   bisexuality as its own orientation would make  it easier to tackle the issues bisexuals face.  When the label “bisexual”  picked up steam in the 1970s,   there was an explosion of bisexual  advocacy, a swell of grassroots support,   and tons of people began  announcing themselves to the world. Even some famous men who did awful  things to women! That's cool! The newly organized bisexual community  made it easier than ever for people with   shared struggles to find each other,  and work together for a better future.   Shared language and self-image are a  great foundation to build a community. So it's really no wonder that MOGAI did the same. But where labels like “bisexual”,   “lesbian”, or “non-binary” describe the way a  group of people already relates to the world, MOGAI seemed to take it in the opposite direction,   instead describing ways one could theoretically  relate to the world, whether or not anyone did. Where for the bisexual community, language  was the first step to achieving their goals, it seems that in the MOGAI  community, language was the goal. A vocabulary for every possible  experience of the self or the world. Real or not, marginalized or not. In pursuit of this lofty goal, new gender and  sexuality labels are coined online every single   day - but basically none ever see widespread use.  Most fizzle out just as they’re born, never being   much help to anyone. Since anyone can coin one of  these new labels, we'll never know how many there   are - but that’s not for lack of trying. A handful  of blogs maintain glossaries of all the terms   they’ve come across. I figured if a term found its  way into one of these glossaries, it was probably   known enough to see at least some level of use,  and potentially fill some important lexical gap. To test my theory, I downloaded one of  these glossaries off Tumblr. Originally,   I wanted to scan through the whole thing, but I  quickly realized it is 72 freaking pages long. So I resigned myself to the first four hundred  terms. I looked each one up on Google and Tumblr,   to see how many of them had been used  at least once following their coinage. There’s some degree of subjectivity in  deciding what counts as a term getting “used”.   I didn’t count posts where someone created a pride  flag for a new identity, since practically every   new identity has one, even the ones that never get  used. There are also these posts that list dozens   of obscure identities and name them all as “valid”  - this isn’t a discussion by any means, and I   doubt the authors of these posts could even define  all of them, so I’m not counting these either. Other than that, I was pretty permissive with my  methodology. If anyone had made fan art about a   label or its flag, I counted the label as  being used. If someone created a headcanon   of a fictional character that included a label, I  counted that too. Hell, if I could find even one   person identifying with a given label, I counted  it. I wasn’t looking to see how many of the 400   words had caught on in the mainstream - it was  quickly clear none had - but instead, how many   were used in a way that made me think they were  useful, even a little bit, even to one person. Once I had finished, here’s what I found. Of the 400 terms I looked at, only 130 had been  used following their coinage, or about 32 percent. That’s more than two thirds of these supposedly  necessary labels that not a single person   ever discussed or publicly identified with.  You have to wonder how useful a label is,   if even its creator never once speaks of it again! So why did so many terms coined in the MOGAI   community fizzle out? Well, I noticed a  couple trends that could explain this. First off, many labels are defined in super  abstract ways that make them almost impossible   to nail down. For example, Coigender is defined  as “a gender that feels as if it is on mute". What does that mean, exactly? How do  I know if that describes me? I have   a million ideas for what a “muted gender”  could be, and it's potentially interesting,   but if a person sees this in their feed, they're  not gonna know whether it describes them. I also notice that over the years, multiple labels  have been coined to describe the exact same thing.   Since a new MOGAI label rarely picks up steam,  nobody learns it, and it dies out. Then,   somewhere down the line, someone is looking to  describe the same feeling, and coins their own   term, since they don’t know the existing one.  That one dies out too, rinse, wash, repeat. It's unfortunate, because it means that  potentially useful ideas - ones described   independently by many people - become fragmented  beyond repair. When someone goes searching for a   label to describe themselves, they sometimes  find three or four words that mean the exact   same thing - which is just confusing, and kills  the chance of a coherent community emerging. And even more confusing, I found MOGAI labels that  mean the same thing as words we already had. The   word “comgender” is described as something that  possesses a gender, so the opposite of “agender”.   but we already have a word for that - it’s  “gendered”. It's not a new word. And to my eye,   the terms "maloi", “wergender” and “mingender”  all just mean “male” or “male-aligned”, with no   asterisk. Perfect synonyms for well-established  language. Why they thought it necessary to do   this; your guess is as good as mine. It’s normal for online communities   to be decentralized, but rarely have I  come across one that’s so disorganized.   The whole community was built on validating every  member’s thoughts and feelings equally, so they   wound up with no standards across the board, no  common goals. Anything is valid, anything goes. On the surface, that sounds  egalitarian and welcoming.   But I wonder if that kind of environment  can't come with a certain risk?   To reiterate the usefulness of labels: they serve  as assertions of identity. When I call myself a   lesbian, I’m saying I don’t have to date men to  have value. When I call myself a trans woman,   I’m saying it’s possible for me to be a woman,  despite having been assigned male at birth. And as I’ve shown you, MOGAI  has words for practically every   conceivable experience of gender and sexuality. Is it possible, then, that labelling  everything also tacitly VALIDATES… everything? I'm not saying we should tell people their  genders are stupid and fake. What I'm saying   is that growing up queer or trans entails a lot  of confusion, repression, denial. Digging through   all that to unearth your true feelings is a  journey that often takes years - I know mine did. it’s only natural that when you’re beginning  to question your gender or sexuality,   what you’re feeling often isn’t quite right,   because you’re missing information. You’ve  just started learning about yourself.  I think giving a name to a feeling someone has  at the very beginning of that journey is risky. Let’s take, for example, this  Tumblr post dated to October 2017. “I am AFAB, and I definitely feel like my  gender is female, but I don't think I'm cis.   I feel dysphoria like I'm  supposed to have an AMAB body,   yet I want to present as a female. What is this?” Here, we see an anonymous user express what I   think is pretty clear gender dysphoria, cloaked  beneath a couple layers of confusion. And when   you’re just starting to figure yourself out, it’s  normal for your feelings to contradict like this. This post could be a jumping-off  point for tons of good questions   to help this person figure themselves out:  “what about my current body is bothering me?”,   or “what appeals to me about having a male body?”. But the blogger doesn’t encourage anon to ask  these questions, or any other questions for   that matter. Instead, they tell anon that  it’s problematic to desire an “AMAB body”,   and then offer fourteen different  gender labels as alternatives.   Most of these gender labels are vague and  basically describe an experience of gender   that’s confusing, or contradictory. And  I’m just wondering… who does this help?   To slap a label on your confusion and resolve not  to dig deeper. For a community that supposedly   values self-discovery, MOGAI strikes me as  uniquely incurious about what lies beneath. I find this post especially troubling because,  years ago, this easily could’ve been me! I   spent months thinking I didn’t “deserve” to be a  girl, trying to settle somewhere in the middle,   even though I knew it wasn’t quite right.  Accepting yourself as trans is complicated, and   lengthy, and terrifying. It can upend your whole  life. But I mean, I also think it's worth it,   so I’m glad nobody validated the dread I felt in  those early stages. If someone had told me back   then, “Oh, you're kind of a boy, but kind of  miserable as a boy? You’re just skoliogender!” I might have believed them. It could’ve lead me  down entirely the wrong path. And this isn’t a   question of binary trans people versus non-binary  people, this approach hurts people of all genders,   because it encourages us to stick a name on our  confusion instead of trying to work through it. I found tons of other terms like this: “Coexta”, a person who has an inconsistent   relationship with gender, and  can’t describe their gender.  “Blurifluid”, a gender that is  so vague you can’t figure it out.  “Shellgender”, a gender that is hollow and unfelt. I think if a gender is hollow and unfelt to you,   it’s probably just not your gender.  And that’s fine! You’re allowed! Each and every one of these is  a valid experience of gender…   but none of them are, in themselves, a gender.  I think they’re just different ways to say   you’re working through your shit, and  looking for language to describe yourself. And since the internet loves nothing more than  assuming the worst of "binary trans women" -   You see my hair! Come on! I want to be really clear here: I think  the people who describe themselves this   way are telling the truth about themselves,  or at least trying to. This isn’t a question   of people clinging onto queer labels for  attention, or to be trendy. I think they’re   just looking to understand themselves,  maybe for the first time in their lives. I think there’s another reason such  hyper-specific labelling often fails.   It assumes it’s possible to break ourselves  down into clearly delineated and infinitely   specific categories, in a way  that just doesn’t work offline. Take, for instance, “Juxera: a gender  that is strongly connected to femininity,   but in a different way than women are connected  to femininity.” This identity implies that   women are connected to femininity in one,  singular way that’s essential to womanhood,   but I don’t think that even exists. Being  a woman means hundreds of different things,   depending who you ask, and two people can  be women without having anything in common. I feel like I’m hitting a wall. Honestly,  I may be asking the wrong questions here.   Sure, their framework doesn’t hold up in real  life, but is it even trying to? Maybe not. The MOGAI world is largely  disinterested with meatspace,   because most of the MOGAI community  doesn’t navigate queer life offline. And that's for one very good reason. The MOGAI community always skewed very young.  I spoke to a friend who told me she got   involved at age twelve, and that seems pretty  average - I’m sure some got in even younger.   MOGAI was a movement composed mostly of  teenagers, and it’s not hard to tell.   What can its demographics tell us about the  community’s structure and its goals, though? First off, I think it explains the heavy emphasis  on validation. Most young queer people have yet   to deal with structural oppression like housing  and employment discrimination, but chances are,   they have dealt with invalidation and shame on a  personal level. Invalidation starts early in life,   and it’s easier to spot than the structural stuff,  so it forms many young people’s conception of   what discrimination is. I think that’s why so  much MOGAI discourse is about how identities   are valid, and not about the various challenges  of actually living with those identities. Most   people in the MOGAI community have relatively  little lived experience as openly queer. This also reflects in the endless churning  of the discourse machine. Constant infighting   about issues that seem simple on paper, or  in posts. The same arguments happen over and   over - “are asexuals part of the community?”  “who gets to call themselves a lesbian?” No progress is ever made,  no consensus ever reached. Spending time in offline communities,   especially among people who came out years or  decades before you, you realize these issues   are much more nuanced than you thought - well,  that, or you realize they don’t matter at all. With lived experience comes the lesson that life  is frequently complicated and tough to pin down.   But for many young people, pinning yourself  down is a necessary first step, just to get a   handle on your feelings. It’s unsurprising, then,  that the MOGAI world widely understands gender   and sexuality as innate, essential to one’s  being, as opposed to social or performative. I forgot to finish this thought, so I'll do  it now. Since gender is understood as innate,   any questioning of someone's gender label is seen  as an attack on their very selves. I think that's   why it's so gauche to criticize MOGAI labels,  even the ones that don't make much sense. Of course you’re not gonna think gender is  performative if you haven’t had the chance to   perform yours yet! I mean, I had to accept that I  was a woman well before I started doing womanhood   every day. That moment of contradiction  is a necessary first step. And we need   spaces like this, for figuring out your gender  abstractly, before you go forth and embody it.   I think it’s inevitable that spaces like  these will be a little immaterial sometimes. Hopefully, I’ve established that the MOGAI  movement was led by confused young people,   looking to understand themselves in a way  that felt easily conceivable and safe,   if extremely online. Focused less on material  gains, or legibility to a non-queer public,   and more on creating a validating  community for themselves.   The question that arises then is…  why was everyone so angry at them? KALVIN GARRAH: So today, we're going to  be taking to Tumblr, and we're gonna be   exploring the world of lots of  cool genders that I'm sure all   of us will never fucking identify  as, because we're not crazy people. STORM RYAN: If you've never heard of  MOGAI, you're in for a fucking treat. BLAIRE WHITE: So today, we are  reacting to cringey trans TikToks. Now,   I just downloaded TikTok. There's a lot  of cringe on this app - specifically LGBT,   trans cringe. Like, it's on a whole other level. We should acknowledge the elephant in the  room here. MOGAI-inspired cringe content   is, and always has been, bigger than the MOGAI  movement itself. In fact, without cringe content   coming to the forefront this decade, I think  MOGAI would’ve lived and died in obscurity.   Instead, thanks to a new  generation of YouTube grifters,   it’s now socially acceptable to point and laugh  whenever a young person is proudly queer online. Which is really just great.  This shit is everywhere. If you're not familiar with anti-trans cringe,  keep it that way. You will watch it and leave   a less compassionate person. Instead, let me give  you the rundown. We start with some queer person,   who's usually young, passionately  expressing themselves, taking up space. TIKTOKER: Well, I am one hundred percent man!  And this man has got something to say to you... If they're embarrassing, it's in the same way  as old Facebook statuses from high school:   very sincere, not so self-aware, ultimately  kind of endearing. These moments are common   in early transition regardless of age;  they call it "second puberty" for a reason. Once we've seen enough, the host - who  is most likely also trans - will rip in,   claiming "people like this" are  what's wrong with the queer community. STORM RYAN: You literally are making real trans  people and real fucking gay people - real queer   people in general - look fucking nuts.  You MOGAI motherfuckers are fucking weird. Conveniently ignoring the  fact that "people like this"   are young, and without any power to speak of. STORM RYAN (reading): "No discourse on this  post please, I am a minor and panic easily."   Then don't say stupid shit online! They'll argue that vocally trans  people who reject assimilation   are making us normal trans people look  bad. How do they make us look bad? Well,   the host theorizes that these  people are acting out for attention: BLAIRE WHITE: They don't feel dysphoria,   but they want to be included in the  trans community, and they want all the   attention, and what they perceive as the  positive things of being in the community. That some of them want to be  trans because it's trendy,   or because it's a sexual fantasy of theirs. KALVIN GARRAH: That's a fetish. That's a fetish! These videos exist to conceive of an other:  the trans people unwilling or unable to conform   to gender roles, those deemed too unsightly to  deserve respect or healthcare. These arguments are   not good faith, and their goal isn't to improve  the LGBT community - if it was, you'd see a lot   more videos like this one, trying to understand  where the other side is coming from, and maybe   push back on their faulty reasoning. Nobody has  made that video yet, which is why I'm here today. But no. Instead, they work in pursuit  of some assimilationist pipe dream.   Trying to win acceptance for some trans  people by disavowing the rest of us. BLAIRE WHITE: Is this what LGBT  is to the rest of the world?  I feel like I'm looking at  this through the eyes of   general society, how they view all of us. Yeah,  no wonder everyone thinks we're fucking annoying. This is nothing new; we’ve been hearing these same  arguments for at least 40 years. Anti-MOGAI cringe   content is just the latest repackaging of LGBT  respectability politics. The acceptably trans “us”   vs the disgusting, unworthy “them” is an easily  digestible narrative. It allows the cis viewer   to accept some trans people, and feel good about  that, without challenging any of their baseline   ideas on gender - after all, these YouTubers  argue that being trans is a medical condition to   be cured, not accommodated! It gives the viewer  permission to make fun of queer people without   shame - which is apparently something a lot of  people still want to do. Which is great. This   anti-PC veneer has helped respectability politics  spread far and wide, to the point where anti-MOGAI   content is basically MOGAI’s whole legacy. If  your average person knows anything about, say,   neopronouns, it's almost certainly what they  heard from Kalvin Garrah or someone like him. If anything in this video has stakes,  it’s these grifters and their constant   pushing of transmedicalism: the idea that  every trans person has gender dysphoria,   that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and  that anyone who claims to be trans without it is   either lying or delusional. Transmedicalism isn't  one of those frivolous online discourse terms;   it predates social media and has very real  consequences. Its ends are to demonize non-binary   people and anyone who doesn’t take hormones,  to make medical transition much more difficult,   and to make social transition more restrictive.  Unlike MOGAI, it's not a movement without goals. Transmedicalists consider themselves the arbiters  of who is and isn't a trans person, a distinction   that is easy to draw on paper, - especially if  you're willing to lie - but impossible to draw   in real life. So when anti-MOGAI types are  confronted with the messy reality of gender,   who does and doesn't count as a real trans person  can change at a moment’s notice. Therefore,   calling them “anti-MOGAI” is incomplete.  Sure, that's their jumping-off point,   and that's what gets them a lot of attention.  But what they really oppose is unashamed   expression of queerness. They will come  down on any trans person they can depict   as too brash, or too open-minded,  or too legibly trans. Whether their   target experiences gender dysphoria or seeks  medical transition is entirely irrelevant. BLAIRE WHITE: When I asked people to call me she,   I made sure I didn't have facial  hair. I made sure I shaved my face. KALVIN GARRAH: I personally,  in my heart of hearts,   can't look at that and be like, "that's a woman"! My next guest knows that all too well. Though they  weren't part of the MOGAI scene on Tumblr - in   fact, they asked me what exactly it was -  they've become the posterchild for everything   that's supposedly wrong with the trans community.  YouTubers have targeted them for years with bad   faith arguments about their gender expression, and  their ideas about not treating trans identity as   a problem to be fixed. because they have so  much first-hand experience here, I thought   they could offer a helpful perspective on where  this trend began, and where we can go from here. MILO STEWART: Hello! Thanks for having me! LILY: Thank you for doing this!  Would you mind introducing yourself,   and a little bit about what you do? MILO: Yeah, oh my gosh. My name is  Milo Stewart, I use they/them pronouns.   I don't know, I'm a YouTuber TM. LILY: I'm expecting most of my audience will  recognize you already - be it through the   overlap in our audiences, or you being a  fairly visible trans person on the internet. MILO: That's one way to put it. LILY: Can I ask you how that came  to be? How you kind of became   such a visible representative of the  trans community this past decade? MILO: Yeah! I really don't like saying  "representative", because I think people who   find me online sometimes have a visceral reaction,  thinking of me as their representative, when they   don't think I match up with their experiences.  I've just always been this queer person online,   but didn't really have a lot of viewership until  I was in a video with Ash Hardell when I was 15. When I was kind of - you know, in the point of my  life where I was on Tumblr, and I was a teenager   coming into my political views. So I thought just  having opinions was the most radical thing. So   then I got well-known for a couple videos in 2016,  one in which I poorly explained implicit biases   and called all white people racist. And I  think that's how most people came to see me. Originally, my videos were just responded  to by... I don't know, like, some teenage   boy with the same amount of subscribers as me,  being like "feminists bad!" I was like, a nobody   on YouTube before that happened. One person  responded to me, and then it just went on,   that got recommended further and further to  the right. Videos that are very transphobic.   There's still videos that are public on  YouTube that are telling me to kill myself! LILY: Oh, you're fucking kidding me. MILO: we went from, like - I don't know, a  PG-13 kind of offensive video to, like, that. LILY: Why do you think people  have taken you, specifically,   as a representative of the whole community?  Why do you think they use you as their person? MILO: Ugh, yeah. I wish it was easier to  understand that perspective, because I   really don't think it's a super logical thing. The  people who are our representation, I think still   have a lot of pressure on them because there's so  few of us. But I think it's like, very strange,   the difference between celebrities or actors  - who are going out there specifically because   they're seeking a very public career -  that was very different from my experience,   being a teenager who was making videos that  would get viewed by, you know, a couple thousand   people. I get comments that are like,  "If you're a public figure who's trans,   you have to represent the community, and you  have a responsibility to put out a good image". LILY: That feels kind of silly, because you didn't   ask to become a public figure. That  just happened, if I'm not mistaken. MILO: Yeah. Yeah! And it's kind of, like, circular  that that upset - people being mad at the fact   that I'm creating that representation is  kind of what's given me representation.   Or given me a platform. LILY: I notice that a lot of the people  vocally disavowing certain facets of the   trans community - like people who may be gender  non-conforming or non-binary - I notice a lot   of those people are, themselves, trans. And  there's this attempt to distance themselves   from the rest of the community. What do  you think they hope to gain from that? MILO: I think there's a pretty big  distinction between the needs of people   who are wanting to medically transition, and the  needs of people who - not that they don't want to   medically transition, but that isn't as much of a  goal for them. It's kind of a historical pattern   in the trans community that trans people  who are wanting to medically transition   have given into cis narratives of trans people  in order to access transition. That then,   we haven't ever vocally created narratives  for ourselves. So many of the ideas we have,   in the mainstream media, of what it means  to be trans come out of this really old,   inaccurate narrative. We haven't ever really  vocally challenged that narrative in psychology,   in a way that really significantly changes  the structure of how trans bodies, and trans   identities, are perceived. Trans depathologization  is saying, "being trans is not a mental illness". LILY: I obviously don't buy the narrative that  I'm trans because I was born in the wrong body,   or there's something wrong with my  brain. But when someone asks me,   "Why are you a woman?" I have no idea. I don't  know how to begin to answer that question. MILO: Yeah! Yeah. I don't know either. I mean, I  guess that's why I'm non-binary, cause I'm like,   "You know what? I don't fucking get it,  so I'm just gonna say I don't give a shit.   But also, I want a body that  looks like this, this, and that". LILY: I think it's so silly  when people come for, like,   a 13 year-old calling themselves "stargender"  or whatever. Like, that is a literal child. MILO: Yeah. LILY: And they're gonna figure it out!  It's all good. I just feel like any risk   that could possibly pose is so outweighed by  calling those people out and mocking them. MILO: That can be an extremely taxing experience,  but also, it could make someone go back into   the closet, or change how someone relates  to the community! I'm just like - really,   could we just be having different conversations  about this? Or having it in a more respectful,   conversational manner? I don't know. LILY: Absolutely. How do you think - this is  a big one - how do you think we can build,   from there, a community that is more  accepting, and more inclusive to everyone? MILO: Yeah, that's big. I don't think  I have the answer to that, because   I think we need more than one person's voice, we  need a collective community response to determine   what that alternative to pathologization  is. I guess I can only say what has been   really revelatory to me is, like, just doing the  research and figuring out, "why is it that we have   this narrative?" Psychology kind of recreates  this divide that exists in the trans community.   You know, if we identify that institution as the  cause of that rift, we can see there's reason for   us to come together in opposition to that. And to  work for access and care for the entire community. LILY: Thanks again! MILO: Yeah! Have a nice rest of your day. LILY: You too. See ya! This talk with Milo really helped  me put things into perspective.   Even if we’ve always been here, the  foundation for the Western LGBT community   has only really been laid in the past 50  years. The trans community, especially,   is still forming. Openly trans people skew young,  which has made the shape of trans space itself   kind of adolescent. But thankfully, this means  all of us get a say in what it’ll grow into. We have a long way to go, and I don’t think  any of our current methods are really equipped   for the fight ahead - not the MOGAI approach and  certainly not the assimilationist one. We’ll need   perspectives from trans people of all walks of  life, not just young people with internet access.   For what it’s worth, my take is that we  should look to the queer people before us,   and take notes from their struggle, instead  of trying to invent a whole new approach from   scratch - maybe MOGAI’s single biggest mistake.  I mean, generations of queer people have fought   tooth and nail to be considered on their own  terms, to be documented, to be remembered.   Do we think we don't have to do the same thing?  Are we really that arrogant? History doesn't   just fall into place, it's not just an honest  documentation of everything that happened. It   has to be written, and we should be involved in  that process. If we want a hand in writing our   own history, it’ll take a lot more than these  insular communities uninterested in practical   change, it’ll take ground game. The new generation  of openly LGBT people is the largest the world   has ever seen, and we have a lot of power we  can harness. Personally, I'd like to see that   power go to food programs, housing programs,  clinics and event spaces. I mean, really, the   possibilities are endless. These resources already  exist in many cities, but more participation would   definitely help. I think it would help us move  past the nebulous goal of “validation” and onto   some more practical solutions. It would also help  us collectively log off a bit. And on that note - I’m not here to knock the internet, right?.  Without it, I don't know where I would be.   So many of us would be confused,  and isolated from our people.   But I wish we’d stop treating it like  it’s everything; posts are just words,   they’re not action. And maybe they are the first  step in today’s fight for liberation, but they’re   not the only step or the most important one.  I'm feeling a little stupid, just sitting here. My point is: with the internet  as impossibly vast as it is,   almost any post you make will eventually be  forgotten. Any notion you have of making a   change - making a mark - is hopeless if it’s not  grounded in action, in demands, in solidarity. So, for everyone who considers themselves  socially conscious - myself included - I   have a question. If the internet were to just  disappear tomorrow, and never come back... What would you have to show for  all your work? Who did you help? Cause you can name millions of  new genders. You can imagine   new and ideal worlds from the comfort of  your apartment. And that’s all fun and good. But when people forget - and  they will - will it still matter?
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Channel: Lily Alexandre
Views: 265,486
Rating: 4.9257421 out of 5
Keywords: mogii, imoga, lgbt, lgbtq, tumblr, internet history, lgbt history, transgender, trans culture, internet culture, transmedicalist, transmed, truscum, gender, internet historian, gsm
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Length: 37min 22sec (2242 seconds)
Published: Mon Jan 11 2021
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