Masks great in concept, Awful in Reality

hello and in this video I'm going to talk about masks that sounded really good in the design phase and then when they are actually made turned out to be a bit awful so what I have here comedian comedic Lee hanging from me as you can see that absolutely gigantic is the M 10m and the Scott GSR but the M 10m is basically in this video just going to refer to all m17 style cheek filter masks I know I've talked about cheek filter masks a lot for this video might be quite interesting to some people because this is basically kind of showing you how on paper something can be great and then when you come to make it you kind of cut corners and the masks aren't so great so let's first get out the M 10m so as you can see that's this mask it's gnome seventeen clone pretty much has some differences with the voice diaphragm and all stuff lit out based primarily in m17 now this isn't an awful masks because masks go I mean it's a cheek filter mask and it has all the flaws of cheek filter masks but it's not totally awful the quality control and that's fairly good so that's not an issue which will be an issue when we get to the GSR but from what I know these masks are fairly good now you'll know I'd want I could put my m10 together not this one the regular m10 I had a ran and I got angry but that was mostly just from frustration of putting cheek filters in and then finding out those filters had long since expired and didn't even work but the m10 in theory is Wow is a good mask if the cheek filters were in date for it and you didn't have to suffer fruity agony of putting cheek filters into the mask so cheek filter masks what's the problem with them well at the concept level cheek filter masks were meant to be far more lightweight and compact than masks of canisters on them and the idea was that soldiers wouldn't have to carry around a really heavy annoying masks because the filters would be on both sides so you could breathe easier and they'd be in the cheeks and the mask the issue is the if you look at the size of this thing it's pretty bulky isn't it and this is the problem all cheek filter masks basically ended up having was the big part from the XM 28 and to a degree to PBF they ended up being very bulky and very heavy compared to what they were originally meant to be so un actually having masks that were often heavier than the generation before them and probably bulkier now again you might say it's more convenient having a mass like this and having a big canister in your satchel of a hose but bear in mind when the us m9 mass came out which was one of most popular masks in the world when it came out probably one of the biggest breakthroughs in mass design in my opinion they kind of squandered a lot about the m17 so if you think of what the XM 28 is and think I think that's what they basically had in mind when they came up with cheap filter masks something really lightweight and convenient that you could just keep in a bag somewhere and forget about until you needed it you ended up coming out of this now cheek filter masks in my opinion could have been salvaged if the filters somehow connected to the outside so you still have this pork shop shake filter shake a pork chop shaped filter that you can see that sort of it's roughly dimensions where it sits in there but the idea would be that it would actually be on the outside so the last could be thinner here and then they've connect on the outside that way you could put the filters on and off easily and put them on and replace them without compromising masks and you know you could do it from the outside savvy of Chico's masks and you know they decided to make a really awkward filter that went in each side of the mask and like each of these filters supposedly didn't last very long I think six hours it was the m17 estimate which again is enough time if you can easily evacuate from an area but if you're cut off and then your guests you've got a bit of a problem where you then have less than six hours to break through the enemy lines or you're all dead whereas if you have a 40 millimeter or 60 millimeter mask the good thing is you could at least have spare filters assuming you're issued to them because if you've got one of those masks and you're not issued spare filters they don't have that many advantages over a cheek filter mask but if you do have to spare filters they have at least got advantages so as I said the problem of these is they're bulky and heavy so just put it on for you quickly so as you can see when it is on my head it is really really bulky but I think how far forward it sits on the face barrel from a side profile a regular mask doesn't sit that much more forward to your face it's just got a canister on one side this thing however obviously is fairly heavy where you can always feel it pulling down on your face like that putting pressure on the nose of course I could tighten it up a bit more there but the issue is you know you've still got a heavy cumbersome mask on your face so the advantages you actually get from having two filters allowing you to breathe a bit earlier quickly negated by this and each of the filters allows less air flow than one sixty millimeter filter or one forty millimeter filter so you have the issue of course once you're breathing of it all it does become much harder because two filters added together aren't really any better and when you've got all this weight on your head that's making you heat up quite quickly suddenly isn't a very fun mask to wear now in terms of cover than that it's not too bad but it's not brilliant I said so there we go mmm no straps easy to get off as I remember them being there not threading through as easy as they were they're not too bad now I've taken it off but still you know as I was saying this mask is definitely one that in concept it sounds amazing all there's the insight for those of you who want to see the inside of the mask because I always get all set in videos you won't see it all that particularly well but the cheek filter masks were basically in concept they sounded great a lighter weight mask you could forget about however once obviously you came to do them you're gonna hate putting the filters in these things another problem is when you've got the mass stored in your back the filters are going to constantly be expiring when they're exposed to things so when you come to actually put the mask on you probably don't even have anywhere close to that six hours that was planned now I know people have said all but there were covers for these soda cheek filters would have been totally covered like the old plastic covers not every mask was issued of those so that's kind of a problem because it doesn't matter in theory if something exists that makes your mask last longer if you don't actually get that stuff that's not great okay so the Scotch es are so many of you know I've already done lots of videos moaning about this this was the mask in the British Armed Forces that replace the s10 for the most part from what I've read the SAS use EFM 12 OCT 12 and some other divisions of police and stuff like that i know police aren't armed forces but the reason I'm bringing this up is because people claim they our voice the police use FM twelves as well I believe so most mostly armed forces horizontal RAF Navy and Army all went to this so this is again it's the m17 problem it's a cheek filter problem it's pretty much like the spectra of the cheek filter masks has come back from the dead now in concept this is brilliant right it's bait right basically just a cheaper in a volume 50 but the a volume 50 is brilliant in concept I don't have one so I can't see if it totally holds up but for everything I know about it the idea was that because it's a bit dodgy maybe changing a 40-millimeter filter because you risk some stuff getting the mask when you change the filter you have the system that locks air off when you change the filter so you have to have the filters on to be able to breathe but again this comes out of that m17 style problem of each of the filters is harder to breathe through because of a restricted access airflow due to a locking system so that's not great also notice the size of the filters on this these are really big size wise these aren't too different from hard e-40 filters 40 millimeter nato filters and you've got one on each side of the mask and it's recommended to use the mask of both filters on well you don't have to that's recommended and in the British Army I think that is policy that you do have to do it so you've got a bit of a problem because you've got a mass that's a lot wider and from the front it's not exactly slim Eva it's a bit bulkier than a lot of 40 millimeter masks so again the dimensions are bigger and it's heavier again it's about a kilo I think this mask if I remember just over a kilo and there's a bit I've taken out of it that adds a bit of additional weight doesn't really serve any purpose there's a weird particulate filter thing that sits on the chin of this mask and no reason now one of the other issues of this was quality control lots of people reported in British Army when they got these masks that there were bits falling out of them rips in the rubber and stuff like that a respirator is needed to save your life if there's rips in it or it's falling apart it is not fit for service I don't care how cool it looks it's not good enough so there were lots of problems with things like that where people were finding or soldiers were finding where the s10 was fine this was bringing up lots of problems so again in concept this sounds brilliant you have this special filter system that lets you you know have the filter on either side you want breathe easier in theory and you know you can lock the mask off so bad stuff can't get in if you need to do a filter change however in reality it's not really the case you end up having something much heavier much bulkier than the nest 10 I mean look at the size of the snap show one thing I've read Mopsy I can't verify is that the power is hate this mask because you can't actually properly do a power drop of it and if you do you can break the mask and you know all sorts of problems like that so again why did the s10 need replacing for that or if you are going to replace the s10 at least replace it with an EM 50 or a more modular you know better modern mask another issue I've moaned about over this slow systems and maybe I will eventually do a video showing this under this bayonet system is the 40 millimeter thing so it's not this unique thing attaches directly to the mask oh no you've got your 40 millimeter bit hidden under here so basically you have one system to then have a converter for another system so again that adds awaitin restricts airflow where it's not needed and adds bak i'm sure if they made this mask attach these filters directly rather than using that system they could have probably cut the size down on the BET and weight and made it more to give them more practical the head strap isn't bad for it to be honest I like that it's really uncomfortable on the chin for some reason I don't know why I found if I put my face further into it and I should it's actually a lot more comfortable not that you'd really want to do that in an NBC scenario also it's got your modern we've glued the lens in thing which isn't a good idea on the respirator especially when there's blister agents so again they've done that weird rubber welding process around there that sort of cracking already which I wouldn't trust so basically in concept this is again meant to be like a lightweight slimline Mouse that you can wear for longer and it's less of a problem in reality you don't get much more airflow than something like an s10 the added weight means that you're going to actually need more airflow and altogether it's not all that comfortable you can probably see again how bulky this is now it's only so it's not a totally awful muffler I really don't like it but I mean I can see in concept it being quite good if the quality control is better then that would be a naval in 50 I guess another point to mention as well is it's harder to get the sight picture of this on than it is of an s10 alot of other masks so although you've got the panoramic lens you don't massively benefit from having it so if things be pressurizing but I've said much better at the concept level and it was in reality I suppose what it was meant to the US Navy on him 50 which it clearly isn't you

Channel: Weaponsandstuff93

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Keywords: weapons and stuff 93, Weaponsandstuff93, gas mask, respirator, surplus gas mask, NBC mask, CBRN mask, real gas mask, air filter, breathing filter, Protective mask, Masks great in concept, Awful in Reality, cheek filter mask, Scott GSR

Id: 0B99minA3WI

Length: 12min 18sec (738 seconds)

Published: Sat Jun 09 2018