Mary Trump issues DIRE warning about a Trump 2024 run (interview with Brian Tyler Cohen)

[Music] today we've got the author of the new book the reckoning and the niece of the former president mary trump mary thanks so much for coming back on it's great to be here so something i found especially interesting in the book was the suggestion that donald's continued presence in the political scene isn't so much about him running again as it is a means to raise money through his supporters um would you say that they're mutually exclusive and do you think that he will run again in 2024 yeah my my opinion on that has evolved since i wrote that um i was pretty adamant after the election that he wouldn't run because he lost so badly that i i thought he would never put himself in that position again but because the republican party seems to be increasingly determined to um cling to power at any cost he may change his mind if they can manage to rig the system even more in their favor through all of these hundreds of uh voter suppression bills that are going through i think every state legislature um so donald is a coward as we all know um and he's also never won anything legitimately but he doesn't care about that he just cares about the win and he knows the only way for him to stay out of trouble to the extent he can is to get back uh into the oval office and if things are rigged so that democrats can't win in georgia democrats can't win in arizona or pennsylvania why wouldn't they run because it would be a slam dunk a lot of his ability to continue functioning without fear of consequences owed largely to the fact that the republican party is able to move with impunity right now you know to rig the next election um as you mentioned you know they're doing it with the voter suppression laws drop boxes in largely democratic counties legislating democrats out of government with uh with their partisan gerrymanders uh and all the while we've got democrats who could do something about it and yet aren't so what would your message be to those democratic holdouts who are making it impossible right now um not only to you know help us moving forward but but nurturing an environment where so much corruption is possible by not fixing what's already broken it's pretty simple because the only people who can save us save the country are democrats republicans have no interest in democracy or you know saving the american experiment they want to turn this country into some kind of theocratic apartheid state or something so what i would say to the democrats is start taking this problem seriously start taking the threat seriously stop pretending that there are rules the republicans have burned the playbook to a crisp stop pretending that there is such a thing as bipartisanship you cannot work with a party that wants to destroy what you stand for right so um i don't know who's in charge of these things but if i were in charge i would make joe manchin president of west virginia if that's what he wants in order to get his vote to get rid of the filibuster and i'm not entirely sure what i would do with carson cinema but um it would be something to get their votes you know i don't care if they get bribed at this point because um if they cannot be convinced which is frustrating because any sane relatively intelligent human being will understand what the significance of the filibuster is so um whatever it takes building off that you do speak about fascism in this book uh and there's kind of a fraught relationship with that word because i feel like all the government systems have kind of lost their meanings like you turn on fox news at any given moment in the day and you'll hear them screeching about the socialist communist marxist democrats um but would you say that the republican party is becoming or has become an actual fascist party oh yeah there's no question about it uh this is the problem republicans always win the language war or the languaging award the messaging war because they have no scruples about lying about things and the media don't ever ask them to define their terms they did this with donald all the time so if a republican calls something the democrats do communist socialist marxist which is utter nonsense they need to be asked what they mean specifically we those of us who do believe that the republican republican party is a fascist party can define what that means and we need to be asked to do that repeatedly because the media is whether they recognize it or not is siding with the enemy here by not allowing themselves to use accurate language in a straightforward way they did the same thing it took them three years to call donald's lies laws and i'm not entirely sure they ever started calling his racism racism you know so they need to uh get with the program we do see that numerous ways like we see the media give so much of a past the republican party in anything they do especially like you look at in terms of voting rights right now it's never the onus is always on the democrats to figure it out instead of recognizing that we have a political party that is blocking voting rights or most fundamental rights as americans in this country and it's just kind of expected and so they get to just kind of sit back and you know block these important the most important changes that we need made right now or block the passage of the voting rights act or block the for the people act again all protecting our most fundamental right and it's always okay well how are democrats going to fix it how is joe manchin going to fix it how is kirsten cinema going to fix it as opposed to recognizing the fact that we have a full political party half of our government that doesn't think you should be able to vote yeah and and also why aren't the democrats being more bipartisan i've never heard a republican ask that question ever and the most recent egregious example of this is the new york times calling for andrew cuomo's resignation are you kidding me of course andrew cuomo should have resigned immediately he shouldn't have resigned a long time ago but did they ever call for donald's resignation at any point no they never did and it's not it's what you're talking about is the most important issue right now in terms of the voting rights um which you know the supreme court and its infinite wisdom gutted the voting rights act to make it almost meaningless and the republicans are trying to make it even harder for more people to vote so the media though never frame it that way as you pointed out in addition to that though they they never clarify who's doing what because the truth of the matter is the only party right now that is working for the american people is the democratic party it needs to be pointed out time and time again that the act that gives families 300 a month per child um every single republican voted against that and the demographic that act helps the most is rural americans which last i checked trends largely republican so it's just muddying the waters to pretend that both sides deserve credit or and it seems like it's only when democrats accomplish things that both sides deserve credit otherwise it's all their fault all the time and republicans are perfect it's maddening yeah well i mean that's owed largely in part to the fact that there is a messaging apparatus like you said that has no scruples in fox news that that's not there to report the news it's there as a propaganda arm of the right okay so when you're in a bad relationship you sometimes can't see it until you're out of it i mean you you literally write in your book we often fail to recognize that we're being traumatized while we're being traumatized so for a lot of people who might have supported donald only to see the events of january 6 unfold or hear him perpetuate the big lie or put in a clear focus his botched handling of the pandemic um do you think that this break is allowing people to kind of you know see him for who he really is or do you think that political polarization is just insurmountable right now and everyone is set and immovable i it feels pretty insurmountable i think part of that is because people hate admitting they're wrong ever they will double down on their wrongness and search for information to support their um opinion no matter how egregious it might be because it's painful to say i was wrong i don't know why that seems to have gotten worse i always thought that that was a trait of a mature human being um but you know look at donald he's never admitted a mistake in his entire life the other problem is that they would in order to come to their senses so to speak and and recognize the reality of the situation we're all in they would have to admit the breathtaking it's extent to which they've been betrayed by people they've supported and put their trust in um that's hard to do you know think about how much people have invested in donald just you know emotionally psychologically how much they've literally put themselves at risk for this person and people they love at risk how do you admit how wrong you were to believe in them and how betrayed you are by them when they're your leaders and you know you've been following their example uh that cannot be easy it's it's not easy in in one-on-one relationships uh i don't think it in some ways it's any easier in these more distance relationships either okay so in this book you spoke about our urge to move on as a country coupled with an inability to actually confront what's happening so do you believe that we're going to see accountability for so much of what's happened lately you know from most notably uh inciting an insurrection at the us capital and what's been revealed as a coordinated effort to undermine a free and fair election unfortunately i can't say with confidence yes there will be accountability because again historically there never is and you know if we can hold somebody like robert e lee accountable i i don't know that there is the wherewithal among the powers that be you know among the people who who can do this merrick garland doesn't seem to be that interested for some reason i'm hoping there's stuff going on behind the scenes so whether or not um justice is done what i will say is it has to be if we're going to survive there has to be accountability if there's not we're not going to survive like that's how we got to this place that's how we got to somebody as despicable cruel and incompetent as donald i want to finish up with this you open up in the book about your mental health how you suffer from ptsd and how it was exacerbated by donald's election what impact did biden winning have on you and do you have a chance to enjoy it giving given the looming threat of a 2024 run i was happy for about a minute on uh note was it november 7th when the election was yeah yeah i think so it was this beautiful sunny day i was on the cape i went to the beach it was i was just relieved probably more than anything else like everybody uh was and then the big lie started and it wasn't that donald was spouting the big lie no kidding of course he would never admit that he lost i knew he wasn't going to concede i knew he wasn't going to go to the inauguration but who cared it didn't matter what mattered is that the republicans the republican leadership allowed the big lie to be perpetuated and some of them also uh spouted the big lie and people like mitch mcconnell just kept their mouth shut and said hey he has every right to do whatever he wants to do and that's when i realized that we cannot let our guard down and um it's exhausting it's demoralizing but then i think of of other people who have suffered more and survived more and i think you know we just we just need to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and and keep going because because of the big lie about the election and the the new big lie about the uh insurrection 2022 is going to be the most important election of our lifetime um and if democrats manage to win in 2022 then 2024 will be the most important election because we're not going to be safe until either the republican party burns everything down and rebuilds itself or the democrats have a secure majority for the foreseeable future yeah and i think i think until you know they a accept the fact that they lose and b lose so convincingly that they are forced to you know switch gears and and finally recognize that they need a different path to move forward it's going to be uh it's going to be yeah and that was the worst thing about 2020 uh it's wonderful that that donald lost so badly but the entire party needed to be repudiated and it wasn't uh so we need we need to figure out how to do that yeah we have work to do well mary uh again congratulations on the book the reckoning and it's always so great talking to you so thanks for coming on thanks brian it was great to be here

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Length: 14min 12sec (852 seconds)

Published: Mon Aug 16 2021