LEADERSHIP LEAN IN | DR DHARIUS DANIELS & CHAD VEACH

[Music] what's going on everybody welcome to another episode of leadership lean in where we are leaning in to the subject of leadership just to get a little bit better i want to say thank you right away to everyone who has subscribed to our podcast or our youtube channel and uh thank you to everyone on social media that's been posting about it sharing about it it means the world to myself and to our team there's a there's a team of people right here standing right over here it means the world to us and so um we're putting out a podcast now we've we've changed 2020 covid it's changed all of us we're putting out a podcast once a week now every wednesday and uh also a leadership email make sure you subscribe to that but um usually we've been going with short term content and short term short form content and and now today we are going back to what we used to do in the beginning of the podcast we are doing an interview today so i have with me on today's episode none other than the dr darius daniels he pastors an unbelievable church in both new jersey and orlando it is called life change church and he's phenomenal he is a brilliant thinker he's got his own podcast if you like our podcast you would love his podcast make sure you check out the darius daniels podcast but he's a dear friend he's a basketball player which you know i love and uh he's he's just one of those guys that when he starts talking you lean in to listen just a little bit more because he's got great stuff to say and he lives a great life he is just as good off stage as he is on stage and i love him and his wife and his family a whole lot so let's go right now via the zoomer we are going to check out our conversation with dr darius daniels let's go oh there he is there's my guy what's up what's up what's up the doctor is in the house how you doing brother man it's good to see you sir man listen it's always good to connect with you you know you family and hey your whole family man i love all of y'all and uh i love what you're doing love zoey and i'm excited about our time together today you're the greatest it's not very often that i get together with a fellow podcaster a pastor with a podcast and it is not very often that i get together with a doctor come on that's my first question how long have you had the term doctor next to your name i mean i i i got my doctor from fuller in 2015 and you know i wasn't going to carry the title bro i was not going to carry the title but um my pastor at that time said to me actually he asked me about it randomly and uh i don't i went to the school i went to specifically because i knew i wanted to kind of raise my leadership lid that school was known for doing that i i felt like i got some of the information and some immersion experiences that helped me do that just like i don't really need the title the people in my church did not matter you know it's like oh he's a doctor so i'm coming to church like no right so it didn't matter but one of the things that he said he's like listen man in your context he says i want you to carry the title and the reason i want you to carry your title okay the title is because in your context he says i want young men who are coming up in your church to have an example of what it looks like to a lesson to aggressively pursue education abuses so even though you don't technically need it you carrying the title is not going to add any value to your life people are going to gauge like your intelligence or whatever based on your experiences with them bro not the title in front of your name you know it's like your doctors but if they listen to talks like what is he talking about right but it was it was it was for that reason that i carried it and i and i carry it but anyway um wow i just 2015. that's it you put in a listen when i see the word doctor next to your name all i know is you studied a lot and worked your tail off to earn that and so respect to you for uh putting in the time of energy i want to just first say it is an honor and a privilege to have you on the podcast today you are someone that i have a tremendous amount of respect for i love who you are i love the way you think i love the way you carry yourself we got to spend some time together this summer sure and just the way that you move uh you're very secure you're very confident and you have such a humility about you that i would never guess your title because you don't present yourself with any pretense there's no uh you know cockiness to you i love that tell me how you have been able to keep humility amidst such what the world would would term as wild success you have wild success in your life and yet there's such a touch of humility about you how have what's kept you rooted and grounded in life well chad first of all thank you for saying that and you know i hate when pastors do that pastors when it seems like pastors kind of go back and forth but it's not true like i mean i mean this is not i'm not just saying this because i i feel like i have to um but yo i just feel like even at the time that we spent together with some friends this summer i just felt like that one was so motivational for me not like professionally but personally just made me want to be a better person a bigger person not build anything bigger but to be a bigger person and you and i had a conversation about that because i kind of i made some observations just about how great i felt like you were with people and i was like yo how did you get that good with people and you kind of talked to me about your dad and his deposits in your life and the book that you read how to influence friends what's the name of the book again how to win friends and influencers yeah yeah so listen man ditto that's my point so i know the pot the people who are listening like okay you guys love each other [Laughter] so um you know chad the answer to that is i don't know one i'm encouraged to hear you to hear you say that but then two this is what i feel like i feel like if that is the case with me it's not necessarily a personal virtue of mine it is more so the experiences that god just kind of orchestrated in my life that made me that way i come from kill michael mississippi and that's a town of 630-something people my high school graduating class was 30 something people typically chad you don't get out of that it's it's you don't get out of that city but it's right you understand what i mean it's kind of a repeating cycle and it can be um like quicksand to a degree you can get stuck there and the people there are great and i'm in no way not proud of where i come from and not making any kind of value judgment on that city but you know just the fact that i was able to get out of there it was god's grace and the opportunities that were presented to me to get out it was god's grace and the doors that opened for me it was god's grace like i think i saw that so like we both hoopers we play basketball yep and so i got to play basketball in college the best player on my team didn't the difference was i had grades and he didn't so i knew here's my point i knew then from something as simple as that that every door is opened by a key called grace because i didn't earn that like he was the better player but i got to go play just because grace you understand what i'm saying so yep i think whatever door i walk through i know it's not just my efforts i want to do my work and steward it well yep but it's not my efforts it's great it's been unlocked by key called grace wow i love that that that that answer is so brilliant and um what time i was at hillsong conference and uh you know here you are in australia and sydney and there's 14 000 people in the arena and maybe another five ten thousand outside the tent you know and it's just the the worship's going off and i'll never forget judah's mother i was standing next to judah's mother in worship yeah and pastor jenny who founded their church who i respect so much as a as a leader in the church just incredible apostolic gift for her her and her husband she leaned over and she said i want you to never forget 90 of this whole thing is just grace oh and i thought but that's the most comforting thing you told me since i showed up in australia that it is grace nobody works so hard to deserve it it's not because they're creative it's just god's grace yeah and it's god's grace that you are where you are doing what you're doing and it's phenomenal i want to ask you a question about leadership you have a church in uh two different cities you have a very very uh international platform you have a podcast you're a leader that has a massive voice into people's lives when you distill the subject of leadership down to one simple thing what to you is leadership when i go leadership is fill in the blank what's your answer this is gonna sound so textbook but it it's my answer okay and that is leadership for me for me personally right yeah as a spiritual leader leadership for me is influencing god's people toward god's purposes i love that it's it's it's that simple now when i say god's people i don't mean just the church right so i believe and you know this whole idea of the armageddon day the image of god is present in every single human being all of the good that we see in humanity is god it's evidence of the image of god so even when you see people who are not people of faith doing great deeds and generous gestures that is the image of god the capacity for that goodness is the image of god in that human and so for me different people are at different places in their spiritual journey some are in pre-conversion you know psalm a post-conversion but whatever they are god's got a plan purpose for their life and for me leadership is influencing those people toward god's purposes wow i love that how has that in different areas of your life sorry different seasons more how do you how do you find yourself because you know you've got kids you're you're interacting with all kinds of different people you know when you're in the airport you're at the restaurant you know how you're moving are you aware of that or has it become just so innate just with who you are yeah that's really good that's a good question because like because because when i look at someone like you it just feels like you've been able to master your identity and your purpose in life so you live on mission and so do you is it some what i'm saying is like do you not even think about it that's just that you just you just roll like that i got it i got it i gotta see what you're saying there so this is what i think i think you helped me with an observation that you just made when you talked about the word that came to my mind is clarity yeah so leadership can be like really broad yeah i think within the context of leadership uh this is what i believe one of the greatest gifts god can give a person after they get converted is clarity so when i say leadership i need more clarity than that what kind of leader am i in what ways do god does god want to use me to influence people toward their purposes towards his purposes excuse me right and so for me i think what you're describing is yes this sense of clarity that i have regarding the type of leader that god's called me to be right and then recognizing that that type of leader actually lines up with how god made me and that's how he wired me so it becomes in eight when an automatic when you actually accept the type type of leader guys called you that's great and you know that sounds easy but that takes some work it takes some emotional work yeah because it means in the words of dallas willard you've got to be able to admire other leadership styles and not desire that's great right so we both there i mean i'm i'm not a name drop but they're like round tables you and i've been a part of like really incredible and influential leaders right right i can look at that there was a season i would look at that and then i would um do everything i could to actually become that as opposed to pulling best practices from that person right right to be my best self does that make sense right that's it and um and so whereas all of us are leading in different ways and i can we can talk about this some more if you like and i can get more specific i think it's i think for me i just got clarity on the type of leader that i'm called to be and the type of leadership i'm going to predominantly engage in and that's great leadership yep it means that my passion is going to be leading people in their thinking it's great and i build organizations and i create content um do podcasts right speak from platforms yeah when i'm doing all of that right i'm leading so when i'm communicating chad i'm leading and i'm leading our church i'm leading because the end goal of all of it is to to influence god's people toward god's purposes i love that i felt like that was a long answer not like a sermon that but it was so well said and i think that that's listen most of leadership which is most of life is about getting comfortable in your own skin yeah you say it all the time god didn't make you one way to use you another way good and i don't think that you can lead god's people into god's purpose until you find your purpose great and once you find your purpose it is a process of developing developing and that's why i ask you know how long and how do you just get to a place because at the level that you're at it's just natural you're just flown and people go wow look at this greatness on display but how many years of bumps and bruises and mistakes and failures did it take insecurities jealousies you know trying to measure up so on and so forth of going like you know it took me a long time it's the ten thousand hour rule not just in your gift but i think especially with leadership because leadership is who you are it's your life it's it's yes it's it's not a gift as much it's more the core of your identity and the confidence that you walk in so that is a process and then once you're comfortable and you've identified what type of leader you want to become yeah then you go i know how to influence god's people into god's purposes because god can use me in this way to accomplish it yes now i wanna i wanna ask you about about leading god's people into god's purposes in 2020 yeah the greatest year in the history of the world how have you been able to lead people through crisis and what have been some things that come to mind while you know it feels like the crisis ebbs and flows you know there's been goods and bads it's like oh it's really really bad and then it's it's uh it's all right and then it's really bad it you know it vacillates that way how have you led through crisis and what are some things that come to mind when i talk about leading through crisis yeah so one of the first things just like so when the pandemic broke um there are two concerns that i had one my own natural family because i wanted us to be well right and then secondly our spiritual family and that's our church and so i wanted the people in it you know to be well but then i wanted our organization as a whole also to be well i mean i'm leading it god made me a steward of it steward of it and i think it's responsible of me responsible of any leader to to want what god's given you stewardship over to survive and to thrive you know so i think for me the first thing began with kind of self-leadership and uh obviously that meant two things i need to be spiritual i wanted to be so i don't know how much of this work but this is what i did i was kind of intentional about it i guess and that was when this hit i knew okay immediately i've got to be spiritually plugged in because i don't if i don't lean into my disciplines and if i don't lean into god in a unique way like this is leadership leaning right so you're right um unique unique circumstances require a unique assertiveness when it comes to your connection with god wow right it's it's it's just different you know and so the point that i'm making is um i knew that to maintain optimism it was going to require me leaning into god because no one knew what was going to happen when these churches i mean pastors when these churches got shut down it's like ah we were back in a couple of weeks and then it was just too much you're like oh man so that was really key for me self leadership in that sense um spiritual and then secondly emotional health this whole idea of guarding my heart so what what was i going to do to make sure i wasn't being overwhelmed with negativity so i adopted this phrase and that is i'm going to be informed but not obsessed because i couldn't go on twitter and everything not be about covet and turn on the news and everything not be about covet and talk to a friend and everything not be about covet so i had to be really intentional about monitoring monitoring how much of that i expose myself to and i think that really helped me maintain i guess to some degree a sense of poise that um where i wasn't necessarily what i like to call emotionally intoxicated like you can get drunk off emotions fear and anxiety and make decisions out of that so i just really felt like the self-leadership kind of helped me lead my family and then also lead and serve my family and also lead and serve our church with a few things what i wanted to do one i wanted to give them assurance i just wanted to keep regularly assuring them uh that no matter what it is it doesn't change who uh god is and instead of me trying to articulate what i don't know what i'm going to do is to rehearse and remind you what i do know great right god is good god is faithful god is for us i love that assurance then secondly um i wanted to um make sure that they were informed like so how as a leader you know one of my mentors taught me tell the people what you're planning on doing tell the people what you are doing and then tell the people what you did so for me so for me i wanted people to know like okay hey in seasons like this this is what's going on with our church this is how we're pivoting to serve you these are the ways that you can kind of take advantage um of it and um the last two are uh sound like a sermon again but the last two are i love it i'm loving every word so information so assurance we want to give information then two uh three evaluation it's like uh what does the bible say it says proverbs be diligent to know the state of your flocks you heard so proverbs 23. yeah like okay so we wanted to be intentional about and i'm sure every pastor did this hey let's call all of our members let's see how people are doing but let's see how they're doing not just physically uh and spiritually but also emotionally yep and then um you know based off of those uh evaluations then there was implementation so a lot of the programming that we did and ideas that we came up with were based on the feedback we were getting from people that we actually talked to wow so those are some of the things that that we did and you know so far so good god's just been it's grace yeah kind of getting us through you know it's like uh i felt like we were really aware in march april we're leading through crisis it was a theme kind of tapers off june boom another crisis i remember when we were together in miami you know i came back uh from miami and i i broke out in shingles because i was so stressed with the racial divide and um my body my now julia would say are you okay i'm good i'm fine that's my response to everything i'm always good i'm always fine my spirit is fine my body was breaking down because i was stressed leading through crisis with white people saying one thing and the african-americans in our community saying another thing and i felt the war the wrestle of that and then you get into july august it's kind of calming down to september oh we're going to shut everything down again so it that's what i'm saying by it vacillates and i feel like never before have we needed to recognize the signs of the times so we know what action to take it is one of those years you quoted it perfectly be diligent to know the state of the flock i think it's be diligent to know the state of the flock and guess what you better be diligent to know yourself good your temptations you know your your emotions like you spoke of it's it usually leadership's uh so outward focused and i don't know if there's ever been a year that you've ever had to be so selfish to actually be inward focused yeah more than ever before have you found that to be true for you that you've had to really take care of yourself yeah 100 you know frankly and um i know this is something that you really value because you're this kind of i got authenticity like frankly um so you know i'm doing this podcast now but for the last few weeks i've been kind of off the grid a bit and it wasn't just i took a couple of breaks this year for i didn't do as good a job pandemic just kind of threw my routine off but i took a couple of breaks for for physical renewal but i kind of took a and i'm in the midst of one right now for spiritual renewal great and uh here's the thing chad i think what what this pandemic provides is an opportunity for us to realign ourselves with new testament leadership with with the new testament model of leadership which is obviously we see that in jesus but the primary leadership figure in the new testament is paul right and what we see with him is this him saying the people that call him telling the church at corinth this this is like dope this is this is an epic leadership statement this is like leadership john maxwell's got level five leadership yeah yeah level six right when paul says yo follow me see that's unreal right right yes it's it's it's it's him saying listen i'm not christ but i am an example of what it looks like to follow him so let me lead you in following him right and that can't you can't say that right without tending to your own soul that's it and um i really feel like this pandemic has created space for and the circumstances for a lot of us to have to do that and um in that sense you know that's that's one way to see some silver lining in the midst of this all i agree i agree 1 000 i want to ask you 2020 has you know it has been a year like no other when you look back you know one of my favorite things is at the end of the year you know we we're getting ready for the ryan seacrest show new you know who knows what time square is going to look like new year's eve this year but you know you got the year in review and pop culture and but my favorite is espn on sportscenter the year in review and we go there we're going to see the bubble with the nba we're going to see major league baseball pin it won by the los angeles dodgers in the empty baseball stadium you know i'm a bravest fan right you know that out there that's great the 90s were great that's good that's a great time i'm wearing a crisscross shirt on so 90s were great yeah that's awesome for you sir but uh but the dodgers won but you know the year in review and you look back and we're gonna look back on january february the super bowl march april may june you know when you look back on 2020 what has 2020 taught you personally oh man a few things and the first thing is this it's telling me that there's a there's a big difference between proclaimed values and actual priorities this is what i mean so if we were to ask the average spiritual leader kind of roll out your values what are your top three things probably say like god family and then something else right and that's okay that's that's a proclaimed value now let's look at the way you're living a lot your life your life now is exposing your actual priorities that's it does that make sense someone would say self-care is a proclaimed value is it an actual priority my own personal discipleship my own personal discipleship that's the proclaimed value is an actual priority and so i kind of feel like um with the way all of our schedules were just interrupted it gave a lot of us at least me opportunity to do some reflection yep and to say there is some dissonance man there's some gaps in some areas between those things that are proclaimed values and actual priorities and so i like that taught me this taught me the importance of in 2020 taught me the importance of one being intentional not only about watch this aligning my proclaimed values for my actual priorities but then also protecting because whatever is obtained has to be maintained so whenever a person aligns their life with what really matters to them the most they're always going to be comedic competing demands and opportunities and and things of that particular nature you know and some opportunities bro are just they're just traps in disguise you know so the point that i'm making there's a lot i could talk about but that right there has been really really huge with huge for me wow and um i don't know man it's it's weird this is what i this is what i do believe though that the shorter that gap between your proclaimed values and actual priorities become the more happy you become that's it i really believe that i believe that too and i think where does stress come from or where does lack of self-confidence come from it comes from the wider the gap is between between who i am and who i want to be yeah and what what closes that gap is the word that all leaders have to adhere to and it's the word discipline good you know it's like i can't live off desire i have to live off discipline yeah i i want to do these things okay that's great uh i saw john maxwell recently say the difference between good leaders and great leaders are great uh good leaders look back and go we should have and great leaders go we did [Laughter] oh you oh you lived in desire he's the goat man we accomplished it he's a goat maxwell's the content king man and we had a great time with him didn't we yeah yeah unbelievable he's the guy that when you go to dinner you're like all right sir just talk but you know that goes that goes back to chad these spaces i mean these types these i call them leadership lanes yep right it's great it's just important to find your leadership calling it's also important to find your leadership lane yep and guys like john maxwell there's a lane he runs and that lane is different from a correct gross shell right absolutely absolutely jake's but it's it's elaine he's found it yep in it yep and all of us are blessed by it that's it that's it if you once you discover it you really i think that once you discover your gifting this is important for everybody to hear once you discover your gift you realize number one it is a gift and number two it is a disgrace to not use it for the good of others one hundred percent because your gift is not for you one hundred percent it you know when it when the bible says when god said i will raise up for them shepherds who did he raise up shepherds for the their platform it is for people to feed them on knowledge and understanding so whenever god raises up people which is a process that we all go through as leadership it's always for them yeah it's never for us so it's it's so that that's such a big deal i want to ask you one last question we have so many uh people and just like your podcast by the way everybody needs to go listen to your podcast if you are a leadership leading subscriber you need to just go right from this one over to darius daniels and and just keep on learning and growing together but we have so many young leaders so many coaches so many entrepreneurs that subscribe and listen what bit of advice do you give to up and coming leaders that are still in the process we're all under construction we're all developing but i'm talking about that leader that's hungry that's in that season we've all been in that season where it's like i can't read enough i can't listen enough i'm trying to grow what bit of advice do you live do you give to the hungry upstart ready to just change the world leader bro you're asking me this at a very appropriate time for when i'm doing a lot of reflecting just on like my own leadership journey and um like just preparing for the next season and it's really simple i would say this because i was that guy um i've got two coaching certifications working on my third of you know whatever i was that guy and this is what i've learned and this is what i would tell a young leader information is not transformation because if that were the case the most transformed people would be the most informed here's the key this is a skill this is the skill that leaders must master if you're actually going to influence people towards god's purposes this is the skill you've got to master not just the acquisition of information but the discipline of application the question is now how much you read it is how much have you comprehended contextualized because leadership is situational and contextual yep how much have you comprehended how much have you context contextualized and now how much are you actually applying beautiful because if not we can confuse gaining info with growth and is not increasing in knowledge it is not the same as increasing my leadership acumen in raising my leadership level that only comes from application i want to give you a prime example a person can read how to win friends and influence people they can read that book 10 times more than you read it and i think you say you read it pretty regularly try to read once a year yeah they can read it twice a year and still not move the needle on their leadership lead wow because it is not how much you read from that book that actually determines your effectiveness as a leader it's how much you apply it's the hardest part and that's the issue but it is application is a discipline it's not a feeling it's the discipline god even all throughout scripture like joshua assumes a leadership post in joshua 1. he succeeds moses there's a lot that comes with that i wouldn't want to be him and so it's just a lot right he is right it's a lot he inherits um he inherits a fragile people he inherits he inherits people who are accustomed to being led by a leader who's temperament and leadership style is completely different than he is but god never tells him to feel he always tells him to be be strong wow be courageous so there's a disa there's a discipline of application um that i feel like the sooner you map i just think about chad bro if i had just implemented all the conferences in classes and if i just implemented that some of the half of it further down the road i would have been and so uh now i'm kind of uh that that was the thing that i'm just jumping up and down and screaming to younger leaders who are who are coming up behind us do you do you look back on um on your years of development and growth and when you were coming through the ranks and you you know you had advice uh people that were giving you advice you know mentors pastors do you look back and go they were telling me things that i just didn't know how to apply like did you feel like you had to come to this place of failure a place of maturity uh dependence to where you go because i the reason why i ask is because i go man some of the stuff i'm working on right now i've always known i just was not ready to apply do you feel like that to a degree i feel like one um you can i think that for me i underestimated the urgency of some of those things now i do think that there were just certain things that i didn't apply and implement that were not as consequential as others but there are there are other things that i feel like uh especially if you're leading something chat and you got momentum on your side right you're talking it's a way of causing you to minimize your mistakes right winning solves everything winning can hide a lot of problems yeah and so i just kind of feel like um that that was part of it one i underestimated the urgency of it and the importance of hey you need to start working on this now because it's going to take you a lot longer to wrap your head around this than you think you know so that was one and then two i think yes to the point that you made i do feel like there's some information you actually have to grow into that understanding it cognitively there you go is not the same as embracing it emotionally right i mean i understand what he said it's completely different than receiving that in your heart man and i just think some of that comes with maturity it comes with some pain yep comes with some you know some mistakes and um i feel like that's yeah also kind of been a large large part of my story at what age does character become a big deal to you it feels like for me every year character gets a little bit more important and the reason why it does is because there's more on the line yeah you know there's there's just more there's more mouse to feed there's more sure my children get a little bit older yes what i how i treat them is shaping their identity my words matter more what age do you did you really feel like the lights came on oh man my character is it's up there on the list yeah i like you i think every year it got increasingly important to me uh i've always tried to value it i do feel like though i don't know probably around 38 or so which is three years ago for me is when i saw so just so the people are clear jeff when we talk about character we're not talking about like morality like we're assuming that that's the foundation of any christian right so okay so i just i just want to be clear on that we're not talking about sin and immorality right thank you you know characters characters more than morality we're not talking about moralism here and christianity includes ethics but it's it's not just about ethics right right ethical and treat personally and then treat people poorly relationally there you go that's not what but for me um yeah probably about three years ago one when i began became aware that hey okay my the influence god's given me has expanded a little bit further than our local church so um my character now becomes the burden and the blessing and or the blessing not just of the people that are part of our local churches but people that are influenced by our ministry and see our ministry as a source of spirit trusted social spiritual nourishment for them i i begin to see that then i also begin to see that when your influence extends beyond your local church your character now can become a crisis for christianity meaning that other leaders have to be apologists for christianity and its relevance and its integrity based on what happens with me not the christianities on my shoulders right right right on the rock of jesus and so right it's maintained as witness and effectiveness etc but the effectiveness um or the integrity of a wit of the witness of the church in certain eras in ages in human history is not about the faithfulness of god it is always about in terms of the eyes of people is the faithfulness of men right like what happens with men and women of the faith during that point in human history impacts um like the gates of hell won't prevail against god's church but it does impact the integrity of the church's witness so yeah i thought i've thought about that um also and i just kind of feel like as you said there are spiritual consequences there are practical consequences and what i saw in scripture is that and this is really scary when you talk about leadership failure of every spiritual leader in scripture it was not about their giftedness it was always about the character always moses it wasn't a gift problem solomon it wasn't a wisdom problem david it wasn't a leadership problem it's character and i think this is another you're great at this this is i think another subject right leadership character because when people think about character in in spiritual leaders they reduce it just down tomorrow it's just like are you living right bro that's important we're not arguing but that's like a leadership character is also like are you treating people that's it that's it and those those can be two different things you know they are completely separate and i'm glad that you were able to you know uh discern and decipher that we needed to hear you clearly articulate hey that's just the foundation that's just we're we're assuming that you started from there yeah right we're just assuming that you started from there the reality is and and uh years ago my father turned me on to a guy named archibald hart he uh he would speak i love him man the entrepreneur i took my last class that um the last class i think he taught at fuller i took it but anyway he's amazing right yeah talk about that offline yeah i can't tell that testimony on the podcast yeah right so you know but that was probably i think maybe early 2000s maybe mid 2000s uh that my dad turned me on to him and uh you know serotonin level and your adrenal gland and one of the things that he would teach that stood out to me was he said you know three quarters 75 of spiritual leaders do not finish well and then you go to the bible and you look at moses and you look at you know samson and you know so-and-so solomon so on and so forth you go wait a second this is not just a new era problem this is even in the old testament and so what should be our goal our goal should be to end better than we started in leadership we have so many great starters if you're listening you just started fantastic we're excited for you let's throw the party i'll get the pinata i got some tacos at the house we're all for the celebration of starts he's the alpha and he's he's the omega i love starts but in the middle of the race 38 in the middle of the race you know 50s you got to keep going when there maybe isn't anybody encouraging you and there isn't anybody looking over your shoulder we are glad that you choose the right thing when nobody else is looking we're thankful that you continue to develop your kindness your generosity your paradigm changing your perspective being right you're the premise of your life we need it because you can't be a good leader and later down the line it's like yeah there's an asterisk next to his name yeah there's a there's that blunder there's that whoopsies there's that it's like the goal of leadership is to finish stronger than we started yeah so 100 so so good so may i i could talk leadership with you all day long sir i just i i thank you for the life that you live thank you for the way that you lead thank you for being a student that chooses to to teach and pass along what you're learning i'm grateful for your friendship and i'm grateful for your life thank you for being who you are

Channel: ZOE LA

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Length: 44min 26sec (2666 seconds)

Published: Wed Dec 09 2020