'Karen is a nice girl': Jury re-hearing witness testimony in Trump's criminal trial

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HE'S MY GUY ON THIS, COMPLETELY CORROBORATING COHEN AND PECKER'S STORY. >> THE OTHER PART OF THE PHONE CALL THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT BETWEEN PECKER AND TRUMP, HE ASKS PECKER, OR HE TELLS PECKER, I SHOULD SAY, I SPOKE TO MICHAEL. KAREN IS A NICE GIRL. THAT LINE STANDS OUT, RIGHT? HE SEEMS TO ALSO CONFIRM IT SOUNDS LIKE -- HE KNOWS McDOUGAL. >> THAT'S HOW PECKER TOOK IT. THEY ACTUALLY ASKED PECKER. >> IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, WOULDN'T YOU DENY IT. IT'S HUMAN NATURE TO LOOK TOWARDS WHAT'S THE NATURAL REACTION AND HIS NATURAL -- DONALD TRUMP'S NATURAL REACTION WAS NOT WHO? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHO IS THAT? I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT TRUMP MEETING ALL OF THESE, QUOTE, BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ALL THE TIME. HE DIDN'T SAY WHO. SHE'S A NICE LADY. SHE'S A BEAUTIFUL LADY. I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING THAT MAKES PECKER SO CREDIBLE. MY MENTOR AND FRIEND DONALD TRUMP STILL. I MEAN, CONSIDER WHAT PECKER'S BEEN THROUGH. HE'S LOST MONEY WITH TRUMP, RIGHT? HE'S BEEN SHAFTED BY HIM. HE'S GONE THROUGH THE FEC, THE SDNY, THE MANHATTAN D.A. DUDE'S NOT EVEN AT THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" ANYMORE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THIS, AND WHAT DOES HE GET FOR IT? HE'S STILL MY FRIEND AND MENTOR. THE CREDIBILITY OF PECKER IS POWERFUL. THIS GUY DIDN'T HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND. DURING BLANCHE'S CLOSING, HE DIDN'T ATTACK DAVID PECKER. HE ACTUALLY WENT AFTER SOME SMALLER KIND OF ROLE PLAYERS WE HEARD FROM LIKE MADELEINE WESTERHOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT OTHERWISE PECKER WAS THERE. >> YASMIN, WHAT ELSE WAS ON THAT PHONE CALL? REMIND US. >> Reporter: YEAH, SO I THINK WE GOT TO KIND OF CONNECT THE DOTS HERE AND WHY IT'S SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THE PORTIONS THEY WANT READ BACK WHEN IT CAME TO THESE JURY INSTRUCTIONS ALONG WITH WHAT WE'RE HEARING AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS READ BACK TO THEM AS WELL. THERE WAS A PHONE CALL THAT YOU GUYS RECOUNTED, THIS INVESTOR MEETING IN WHICH PECKER GOT THE PHONE CALL FROM DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP SAYS WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT KAREN McDOUGAL. SHE'S A NICE GIRL. SO ON AND SO FORTH. PECKER SAYS, I THINK YOU SHOULD PAY HER. DONALD TRUMP SAYS I DON'T USUALLY PAY PEOPLE. THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM MICHAEL COHEN. FAST FORWARD TO THESE OTHER PHONE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN DAVID PECKER AND MICHAEL COHEN, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING KAREN McDOUGAL'S LIFE RIGHTS. DAVID PECKER SAYS HOW AM I GOING TO BE PAID BACK? WHO'S GOING TO GIVE ME THIS MONEY BACK? COHEN SAYS THE BOSS IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF YOU. THEN PECKER IS ASKED WHO DID YOU TAKE THE BOSS TO MEAN? DONALD TRUMP. I TOOK THE BOSS TO MEAN DONALD TRUMP. THE REASON WHY I THINK THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, ALONG WITH THE INFAMOUS TRUMP TOWER MEETING THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST SIX WEEKS WHERE THE PROSECUTION ALLEGES THIS ENTIRE SCHEME BEGAN IS WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIMITING INSTRUCTIONS WITH REGARDS TO DAVID PECKER'S TESTIMONY, MICHAEL COHEN'S TESTIMONY, RIGHT, HOW TO ASSESS THEM AS BEING CREDIBLE OR NOT, AND ACCOMPLICE AS A MATTER OF LAW, I.E. MICHAEL COHEN AS THAT ACCOMPLICE, THOSE THREE THINGS TOGETHER ALONG WITH THE PORTIONS OF THE TESTIMONY THAT THEY ARE ASKING TO BE REREAD BACK TO THEM, I THINK TELLS US A LOT ABOUT WHERE THE MINDS OF THIS JURY IS. AGAIN, TO TAKE YOU INSIDE THAT COURTROOM ONCE AGAIN, ANA, QUICKLY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NOTES BEING TAKEN, MULTIPLE PAGES BEING TURNED OVER. THE FOREPERSON, JUROR NUMBER 1, THE FIRST JUROR TO BE CHOSEN HERE WHEN THIS JURY WAS IMPANELLED, NOT NOTABLY TAKING NOTES, LOOKING DIRECTLY AT JUDGE JUAN MERCHAN AS HE IS READING OUT THESE JURY INSTRUCTIONS, BUT HIMSELF NOT TAKING NOTES. >> EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN STYLE, THEIR OWN WAY OF REALLY SINKING IN THAT INFORMATION INTO THEIR BEING. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW YORK ELECTION LAW PREDICATE AND THAT'S PAGE 30 FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE FOLLOWING ALONG. THEY HAVE TO GET TO PAGE 35 FOR THE READBACK ON THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE THEY MOVE ON TO THE TESTIMONY THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED TO REHEAR. CATHERINE, WHY CAN'T THEY TAKE THE TESTIMONY BACK TO THE JURY ROOM. >> THE ONLY JUDGE WHO EVER DID IT IS WHEN THE DEFENSE AND THE PROSECUTION ALLOWED IT. MOST OF THE JUDGES IN THAT COURTHOUSE ARE LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. I'M OLD SCHOOL. I WANT THEM TO COME OUT AND ASK THE JUDGE FOR THE LAW. I DON'T WANT THEM TO LIKE FIGURE IT OUT THEMSELVES. SO IF HE HAS TO AS HE'S DOING NOW READ IT BACK IN HIS WAY AND THEY REALLY RESPECT HIM, I WANT THEM TO HEAR IT FROM HIM, NOT SOMEONE WHO LIKE SAYS I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE LAW
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Length: 4min 56sec (296 seconds)
Published: Thu May 30 2024
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