Joe Rogan | The Crystal Skulls and Alien Abductions w/Dan Aykroyd

the Joe Rogan experience I want to talk to you about the the story of the crystal skulls themselves because there's this strange sort of folklore attached to them and then there's a lot of people that believe that it's all horseshit and that these were created by modern people and buried underground yep in order to well my understanding of it is there you go yeah and indeed that's just as the citrus model the crystal driver there were 13 heads and and it was purported that the Navajo the Anasazi the Mayans the Aztecs had each had one the most famous one is the the mitchell-hedges skull which was found on the Yucatan by Anna Mitchell hedges he reached into a cave she was with her grandfather and was around 1926 and she reached in and there was an oil cloth covered idem in there and she pulled it out and opened it up and there was the two-piece detachable jaw mitchell-hedges skull beautiful skull the Hewlett Packard engineers did a test on it in the 60s they said it could not have been carved by a lapidary by my tools it had to have been polished over hundreds of years over about over centuries to get to the shape that it was so they said it was a polished item let's see there's the mitchell-hedges skull the Phyllis Newman skull named Max she says wasn't that later decided by some people this was not okay I'm gonna I'm gonna exactly get to that point because of course it's it's important it doesn't affect my business whether they're fake or not these were beautiful artifacts and we've recreated it beautifully but it's nice to know the true story and I have a kind of a thought on the theory either way so there's the Phyllis Newman skull named Max she has to put it in the closet because it talks to her there's no way hit the brakes hit the brakes bunch of you you're an excellent talker sir oh well like you know I was inoculated with a gramophone needle at Birth I could talk taxi dispatcher into vow of silence so I could talk an air-raid siren to scrap but and you're obviously Canadian because he said slag yeah a significant ad in gal she of the tall so that's another tangent Canadian gals and yes an ATM guys so the Philip Newman Newman skull she she got it it's name is Mac she has to put it in the closet because it talks to her she said so there's the mitchell-hedges yes she does has that one then there's the that is the mitchell-hedges skull that's in Indiana the woman the man that took care of Anna at the end of her life eventually had it and got it it sat in Grafton Ontario for many years and I never saw it but people said when they walked into the room and she uncovered it with the cloth she kept it in that there was an immediate feeling of well-being and healing coming over to look at the at the original mitchell-hedges skull there's one in Mexico City it's one of like one of our minis it's got a cross stuck right in the top of it which is you know that would shatter crystal if you did that how that cross got there I don't know there are there's one at the Smithsonian in Washington too at Smithsonian Washington DC and one of the Victoria and Albert Museum so that's there's supposed to be eight that we have in five that we're missing the woman that Smithsonian who has the two there I think it's their a cloudy orange one in a cloudy green one and they're smaller she says they're all fakes that they were carved by a German lapidary and that 1800s and that he seeded them around the world wait a minute I think one was found in Tibet one was found in Ohio we're hearing at the serpent Marilyn what does she think this one gentleman did he because he was an expert lapidary he had the tools to do it and and she figures her theory is that they're not artifacts polished by tribal hands and passed down that they're all fakes but it's just wait a minute he would have had to about an airship to go and deposit these wherever they might be around the world and what pictures of the skulls up the smithsonian crystal heads and the sony uns crystal head you can get in victoria albert crystal head do they all have the same similar type of markings there there's the there's there's yes yes they do they do they all have the same now you see some of them are more are clearer see there's one of the the the British Museum and there's some that are clearer and they're more beautiful and there's some that are rougher like that one there and then and the green and the orange one but she says all fakes but if they're all fakes how did they get to these different places around the world and how were they found well here's the thing but what why fake the word fake is very strange because it's like they are so certainly real carved crystal skulls so were they from tribal ancestry that selecting them is the question who made the modern Western and Hell where they polished over they car if that's the thing aren't they beautiful oh god what are the indigenous people say they say they found them there now the whole say they came from the star children that they were brought down and deposited and given to them as crystal ball devices crying devices - what's that one down there Jamie keeps crawling where you were the one on the left right there that looks almost like a real skull oh Israel's yeah no the green is beautiful so so I guess I don't know I'm not a scientist I'm not a professional historian I guess I have to trust the lady at the Smithsonian but then I questioned they were found at different times in history around the world how do you go and seed how do you deposit them there why does she believe that has she given a coherent reason why she thinks that they're all hoaxes or she's done her analysis whatever they've done you know - through their skulls but again the youlet packard engineers took that mitchell-hedges skull and they they said this cannot be have not have been polished it would have been cracked or destroyed it could not have been built by tools it would have been cracked or destroyed it had to have been polished hmm yeah so but what about some sort of a very fast-moving drill with a diamond bid on it that can slowly grind down well that would be then that would be them than be marks that would be visible under under the scanner they put couldn't you polish those marks down I don't I think that the intensity of this of the Hewlett Packard scrutiny revealed that there were no none of those marks and that's why they were able to make this here's the problem with this is like you want them to be real don't you oh yeah I do too I get to but I don't trust me no neither do I so that's why I say Albany you're saying all these things I want to believe you I want them to be from the sky people mm-hmm I do too but again you know you've got a professional in Washington at our National Museum there who says no no no what does she know well we could go I might be your name we should get her on the wrist get her on the phone it might be a party-pooper well I eyes I think that she's probably as in love and in love with the skulls even though they are you know not polished it in her mind I bet she loves them as much as we do but the thing is if you are a professional intellectual or someone as a curator of you know fine work and ancient relics you kind of have to be one of those people that dismisses anything preposterous because if not that's right like Neil Tyson don't you love us I love him I love Neil but he there's no way you can sit down and say Neil Barney and Betty Hill were abducted by a flying saucer in 1957 he's not going to accept right because he can't accept that because everything in his training everything in his knowledge everything that he knows about physics and science and propulsion and the universe and how to get from place to place defies the defies the legend or I would say defies the theory that there are extraterrestrial advanced ships out there he can't accept it it's just you know he it would be unprofessional for him to say okay there's even a possibility that there were abductions but the Betty and Barney Hill story is very interesting but there's there's no real evidence other than their testimonies that correct well there was a stain on Betty's dress there's her excellent recall she was not he was unseen on her dress is so interesting it was a fluid that they used in in the testing that some kind of a fluid Italian testing that that they did it one day they drew over from her and they drew sperm yeah from him now so there's a book out called contact by Stanton Friedman we read that yeah and Kathleen yep I'd love to know where the car is were they the the Chevy that were driving or where I don't know I'd have to ask Kathleen where it is did they end up in a junkyard since they were marched on the battery of the car as well there were trace evidence in the back of the car you know Ted Phillips is he goes around the world collecting trace Ella evidence and radioactive signatures from sightings and and and landings on the back of the car there was a couple of marks but it was Betty's it's their credibility why would they want to bring this into their lives and she was conscious a semi-conscious through much of it and Barney was not conscious he was unconscious if you hear the tapes of Ben Simon's interviews with them under the screaming and the and he was just so frightened yeah and that's and the Zeta Reticuli map when when a little the being Betty looked at the map and being shorter a map as she was on her way out the door and she said may I take this in the being was going to give it to her but then another zipped up and said no you can't have this reticula is exactly the same place where Bob Lazar says they found those the with the spaceships that they have an area or s floor well the little gray Zeta Reticuli Barney and Betty's abduction you had Marjorie fish inanimate amateur astronomer she took the memory of Betty's Betty drew up the star map and she did a three-dimensional scale model of that part of the universe and was able to identify Zeta Reticuli 1 & 2 and accepted by astronomers so that map that Betty saw aboard that ship had not been seen on on earth before and Betty has no history of astronomy no no studying no none of it at all and and and you know interesting things like when they got back to the the house there there cook there the house was open and the keys to the house were in on the table with leaves so that they might have dropped them at the site and the beings returned them now you know who Ted Budd Hopkins was yes he said that since um he studied the Linda Cortile case where the woman was floated out of her apartment building over the East River and orange orb picked her up Tellez he was the God was an artist he was a graphic artist he was a designer a painter and a lovely man and he was one of the first people to start to deal with the trauma of abductees he got a reputation from be able to interview them hypnotize them interview them and get their stories and empathize and sympathize with them and he said that in some cases that he studied the beings would grab a man from somewhere in America and grab a woman and out of their cars out of their clothes put him up test them draw over draw sperm fluids whatever they were doing and then the woman would wake up in the man shoes or a different car or almost as if theft the beings were finished with them I don't care where they go now yeah I put them put them back you know that kind of thing he said that was the oddest phenomena like releasing a trout yeah that's right that's a trout you catch a big rainbow trout you're fly-fishing and you got a barbless hook you know most people if you go to Montana go to the Gallatin River shout out to the gal beautiful gorgeous place people catch and release because they they appreciate that the trout are there they'd rather go buy halibut from a store and not eat the fish because they want the salmon to be healthy they want the trout to be healthy Wow they catch them and then they release them but if you're a brown trout brown trout or invasive but if you're a st. euro your rainbow trout and someone catches you and you know they take you on some 200 yard run down this river as they're trying to draw you and it's a big 9 pound rainbow catch of a lifetime you're running full time and some guy pulls it on it takes pictures of it like shows it and then releases it and then this thing's like how the [ __ ] did I get here what am i doing outside of my universe yeah am i doing in this other dimension of air where I can't breathe precisely yeah yeah and that's that's what that's catching these leaves with people Travis Walton says you know you got to think of them as just people from over there fire in the sky movie was based on yes got another interesting story here's what I want people read ability there and credibility with Barney and Betty I just don't think they're lying and I don't think the aerial schoolchildren are lying I don't want to think they're lying this is the problem that I have with it I want to believe them but this is what I want people to consider because most people that are pragmatic reasonable people that don't want to be ridiculed they look at these stories they go oh come on people are full of [ __ ] and I've been there too but I want I want people to imagine that if if aliens did a Kay occasionally visit earth what how often do you think this would take place and how it would be very infrequently and if it was if it was happening these would be completely unique unusual occurrences out of nowhere where someone would come down they would do something and they would be leaving the person with this thought in this memory and this inability to describe it with normal words if you were taken aboard a spaceship and you were some reptilian beings that were three feet tall were running experiments on you and you were paralyzed then they released you back on earth how what words do you have available to you to describe this experience in a way they like if you tell me hey Joe I went whitewater rafting with my kids it was a great time it was so fun we got to see Eagles and it was it was gorgeous and then we had lunch at this beautiful little cafe what a great day I vision this experience I can see it but if you tell me hey man we went camping and I woke up and some alien at a finger of my gosh the allagash incident they went camping and they they were they despite a few of those right there's hundreds of thousands and here this is I bought you a book this is Bruce Maccabees book it's all the headlines from nineteen fifty to four hundred and thirty-two reports given and I'll address your specific question about people how they relate their experiences and and how genuine they feel in a second year four hundred thirty two reports given the Air Force in nineteen fifty two on aerial sightings ships from other planet we've got memories members memos from the government here former army pilots seized flying saucer by daylight whatever was sighted here July 30 stories fighter pilots at Newcastle say alert for more saucer reports these are newspaper yeah that's yours well newspapers never lie well uh why don't you know that well they never they never make fake stories well I never touched a New York Times pretty reliable ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean are reporters for the New York Times and they've been studying this phenomenon they've reported were very credibly on it I'll tell you how an abductees experience is related I attended a lecture at the Fifth Avenue Medical Institute in Manhattan with my wife a few years ago that would be about 15 years ago and John Mac was a lecturer you know he wrote the book abduction he was the Harvard psychiatrist who wrote abduction we can get that up to abduction John Mac yes I've read that as well yeah and so I freaked a friend of mine out she was a very pragmatic non UFO believing person and we were working together on Newsradio my friend more a tyranny and she came up to me and she goes like this book is freaking me the [ __ ] out and he wrote a second book as well didn't he died in a car accident John Mac believed he died in a car accident stepped off a curb in in in in a small town in England and he was struck by had a car yeah and three other John Max died the same day in England so so you Pete think people were whacking John Max does he know too much I don't know say again I was at this lecture and there were 300 abductees there that that some of you we interviewed with some some he had not but we were therefore interested too to find out a bit more about their experience and one guy got up and said he had one arm and I don't know whether that was related I don't think was related to the experience but he said I'm a Wall Street broker I'm quite well-off I have a sailboat I was in Long Island Sound a few years ago and a blue light hit me and I had missing time of about five or six hours but in it I have felt filtrated memories of beings addressing me and telling me that I was powerful and influential and I could help the planet survive and they put me back in my ship and I woke up and and and and he said I'm waiting for them to come back I want them to come back and I asked the room I got up and I said of all of you who've been taken how many of you would would want to repeat the experience or have it happen again and about half of them said no no way they'd wanted to have and I have it happen again and a half said yeah we'd like to have yeah yeah half yeah now I love so Bruce signed this to me and I'm gonna give it to you and it just got great he's got great headlines from the you know from the 50s which was a massive time for saucers you know that famous portals the saucers over the the capital the glowing lights and them yeah yeah see if you can find that photo June July 1952 Washington I think this was initiated by the detonation of the atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki where they decided okay these [ __ ] monkeys are doing some stupid [ __ ] we need to go down there and see what's up and see if there's imminent danger to the cosmos let's find out what kind of capabilities they have because if you listen to Lazar or if you believe the work of zecharia sitchin or any of the people that believe that human beings were engineered that there's the the reason why this is giant leap between us and the rest the primates on the planet is because something came down and manipulated our genetics well the movie mission to Mars with Tim Robbins you know basically it says that you know basically it spits shows the face on Mars and that that is one of NASA employees favorite movies yeah there they are yeah 1952 UFO incident thank you come on let's go here and that's crazy yeah then in an airplane down in a helical No some crazy photograph and it's from 1952 I mean the the special effects back then were incredibly crude no no this is something that was reported thousands of people they Jake's crambles jets from from Andrews for it now as well as the Phoenix lights those big slides is fascinating because you know the Fife Symington the governor said I he saw them he made fun of it with an alien nut yeah but he dummies about that afterwards yeah I was put under pressure to do so yeah he's in a movie called what is it um there's a there's a documentary on Netflix it's available that he's in that he talks about the pressure that they put on him to make light of that incident and he talks about his own personal experiences with seeing something some sort of triangle shaped craft that was enormous the size of several football fields it was flying overhead that was completely silent and how it freaked him out the triangle the triangle and Delta crafts are very very interesting but you know the the Tinley Park incidents of the of the 80s and with Sam Moran tow was the investigator there for new fun these things would park over the family barbecue for about a half an hour and you know families in suburbs were looking up them the sky being blotted out but these things parking above them so yeah I think it comes down to they I don't think these beings I well Lord Hill Norton said there were 23 different species visiting the planet in 23 different types of ships I don't think they want a formal relationship with people on earth they want an informal secret relationship I think they probably have one with elements of the black elements of the airforce and the government you know David sarita is I've heard his David sarita you should have him on he's very knowledgeable about this he's his theory is that the Roswell event may have been precipitated by the Trinity explosion at because it was such an interdimensional disturbance of the atoms being split and that explosion that was there was that that saucer there that went down in 47 may have may have been influenced somehow negatively by by that explosion now Stanton Friedman doesn't didn't buy that I love Stanton he just passed away there he was the expert on Roswell yeah I'm upset that I never got to meet him before he died he was so credible interesting guy who believed in UFOs but believed most people were not were lying about them oh really really well he believed that there was a lot of horseshit going on including Bob Lazar he thought Bob Lazar was [ __ ] well I again why would why would Bob go out there and do that and and and compromise his life let me tell you something after talking to him for three hours and in writing with him the night before my I don't have I don't is to believe I had the best [ __ ] meter in the world but as I've gotten older I've gotten more honest and I don't I didn't see anything he's he's incredibly smart guy and he's not a guy who's like seeking out attention and he's not profiting from this and just his demeanor and everything Jesus he's like an accountant he's a legitimate scientist yeah I mean and I've talked to him one of the things that I engaged him with when we had dinner we talked about science just science in general and we talked about all sorts of different things and he's a scientist he's a legit scientist I've talked to a lot of them yeah I know what kind of person he is he said and they just hassled him again there they raided his his nuclear I think he has element 115 that's what they think wouldn't we all love to have that yeah that's what they think that's some artist created that thing up there with element 115 yeah element 115 indeed well little of sliver of that yeah that because that's would be pretty exciting and they he talked openly about it in the 90s that he had managed to weasel some away from the area s4 and they think that he still has it yeah there was some experiments that he had done that George Knapp had actually filmed that it showed some really bizarre distortions using this stuff and then it was able to it was there was I got to remember exactly what it did that they show but they did some experience with like steam or smoke or something like that where they showed element 115 emitting some sort of vapor well no it was emitting some sort of a field oh yeah literally couldn't physically touch this stuff mm-hmm

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