Joe Rogan Discusses JFK Assassination with Former CIA Officer

hello freak [ __ ] so speaking of Citizen Kane Orson Welles and conspiracies last night I rewatched the episode of Geraldo Rivera's good night America when they introduced the Zapruder because you know dick robbery just died yeah yeah yeah they introduced this a pruder film to the American public 13 years or 12 years 12 years after Kennedy's assassination and then I went and read that paper the articles that was printed a couple of weeks ago that I even tweeted about it about the CIA questioning the official story of the JFK assassination yeah that was interesting wasn't it yeah suppressive ldia guy what do you think about that well first of all that's a brutal film that's the most watched piece of film in history of film history which is really interesting but yeah it was interesting that the you know as typical with a lot of these things that the headline doesn't necessarily actually match once you get into the body of the story but the idea being that the agency had some concerns over the idea that perhaps Cuba was behind the assassination what the Russians to some degree or were more likely in a combination of the two look I think you know I do I think that that he could have taken that shot yeah it would not I was not I said I've been up in that Book Depository from that point of that vantage point we did a story on the on the whole issue the conspiracy theory and what could have happened and we tried to find some new witnesses and you know could he have made that shot yeah that was a that was it was it straight forward you know effort was someone who had some training he was you know he wasn't the world's best shot but he had sufficient training to make that shot no that's separate from you know his motivations and any potential support that he may have gotten during the course of that and you know I think that he in his mind he he genuinely felt that this was going to get him into the revolution right that this was going to had a very unhappy experience in Russia when he was over there living came back saw what was happening in Cuba desperately wanted to be part of took a unexplained trip down to Mexico which could well have been in an effort to find somebody who could support his his desire to take some sort of action whether he had formed in his mind that's what he was going to do at the time or not so you know is there is still a possibility that the Cubans which would the Intel service there would have had the file on him he was a very very well known quantity obviously by that time for the Russians the Russians were solely responsible for training up the Cuban Intel service so there's a massive file on him and they knew you know who they were dealing with they knew his weaknesses they knew his they knew his motivations they knew what to do in terms of trying to get leverageable you know information on him so I think that the jury's still out I'm not and I'm not a conspiracy guy but I think there's enough there that says you know yes it's kind of like over talking about climate change I believe this but this is all this also could be true right I think he could have taken that shot and for sure and and then succeeded I think it's also possible that he may have had the encouragement of in particular the Cuban Intel service through the Russians there because at that time in particular they didn't do anything the Cubans didn't do anything without the Russians support blessings and direction so that is entirely possible do I think that there were a variety of other things at play you know was it did they help him get the the the weapon did they I mean was there actual legit achill support in there at who I don't think so but maybe well maybe yeah it's it's a fascinating thing and you know again nobody wants to think that's something that impactful could have been just one guy who you know had a dream about being a hero of the revolution and they just it's it's such an awful thing to think about you want something bigger you want something more behind it and it's it's I will say the one thing that I think there was something else too was the MLK issue of Martin Luther King assassination well let's get to that for sure but here's the thing about the the Lee Harvey Oswald assassination you know a lot of people think that there was people in the grassy knoll and that they shot at the president there was more than one shooter and that's possible too and here's the other problem with people saying that Oswald could have never made that shot of course he could have 100% he could have is it likely listen people throw 3-point shots that have no [ __ ] business on a basketball court and they hit nothing but net now if it happens all the time yeah it doesn't mean it's it's not likely that a guy could get off three shots that quick but it is possible there was more time in there than they originally thought there's some misinformation out there about how condensed that timeframe was and now after they've you know research this into a fairly well it did that time frame extended a little bit but he had more importantly he worked up there so he had the opportunity directly that sight right so he it was like he was sitting in a blind waiting and figuring out you know what am I going to be doing here and that's a tremendous advantage and clear daylight targets moving right in a line with you this no wind not only that it's not that far a shot no it's not it's not like everybody thinks it's like you know half mile away or something like that I mean how far was it was 150 yards or some point I'd have to go back in it let's find out I just uh but I've stood on that spot where the limo was I have a homicide ended up there not that look down and it's not that far and it's a little makeable shot on a deer yeah if you were going to shoot a deer rifle you'd be like oh yeah that's definitely a higher effective range notice there was no kuffar was there we go 265 feet 81 meters that ain't [ __ ] now that's a bow shot yeah you could shoot an animal with a bow from 80 meters if you're really good and there's no wind so that's a really close shot so the idea that he couldn't make that shot he's a bad shot that is so [ __ ] stupid he absolutely could make that shot and then we buddy could make that shot from 81 meters that's nothing we looked at the grassy knoll issue we looked at the you know that what the train yard engineer reported seeing with a sort of a puff of smoke at he thought he saw over by the fence line and and we look things like yeah you could you know from that position they open that place up we were able to go back up there and you could see it we ran a couple of tests and find out a few shots and that's always fun do you want to have a good time take a rifle to Dealey Plaza and fire off a few shots without the tourists knowing what the hell is happening and the Dallas police by the way were tremendous during the course of that but Wednesday we did a while back for a show called America Declassified which isn't running anymore but it was on on Travel Channel Jesse Ventura did that he went up there and with a mannlicher-carcano same rifle and I was an impossible shock no one could make the shot hampered time read on I love Jesse other he's off yeah but he kept everything didn't conspirator right I know he's significantly on that side to the point where you know that's he's leaning always towards a conspiracy what you want to do is you want to do every investigation is company that I've got we do a lot of investigations we can you've got a bill just like with a homicide case or anything else you've got to build it on stable ground right right so you have to start from you know the very basics because if you start building ideas and investigative inquiries on something that's not sturdy underneath it you know not based on evidence in fact then you get a problem the whole thing becomes suspect and usually comes toppling down so you know I you got to keep an open mind about all these things I think it's important right now people look like well I'm sure that agency the CIA was involved so I'm a terrible source of information I've heard that before I can't talk credibly about this because you know the CIA was involved in well here's the thing the CIA was involved it's not you weren't there and I was 62 last time I checked I was not there in 1962 and and also I will tell you this much was in 63 it was 63 ft age if the agency have been involved this is the honest God's truth there's no way that secret is still kept people can't keep their Yap shut they can't and secrets have a way of coming out and certainly a lot quicker now than they used to so now my idea but in a secret then I mean we're talking about so long ago how much ya talking on more than 50 years ago like you know it would I get out it's like the DB cooper issue my biggest reason for believing teba Cooper died and his chute is hanging off a tree and and that's a vast role dinner's up there yeah is is that people just can't help themselves at some point people talk or somebody somebody associated with uh someone nearby or somebody involved or somebody on their deathbed or somebody says something they shouldn't know it's you know the idea that they've maintained this sort of secret over a period time I find hard to believe I'm not discounting it and again you got to leave a little space open for something that could be just amazing mm-hmm but you know anyway so that's that was that but I I agree that shot was not was not a tough shot hey one meters ain't [ __ ] and that's nothing and particularly those conditions and I say those conditions were ideal unfortunately for that event people are like there's a video of me shooting a [ __ ] hard drive at a hundred yards a hard drive you can set it on your edge oh we're just getting rid of some hard drives it ought to be fun to take it to the rifle range so I take it to the writer and obviously we're dealing with modern rifles are probably more accurate but I'm shooting something that's basically two inches high laying it down on the ground at a hundred yards and blowing it to smithereens that's how accurate a rifle is at a hundred yards you tell me he couldn't get a head shot at 81 meters they're not crazy again notice he no wind of course he could good light did he though who did he that's right and what also the question is you know we have some pretty good indication as to what he was thinking and what is obviously what his motivations were and that's important well it definitely wasn't it was a Russian side definitely was involved in a lot of weird [ __ ] with communism who knows what his entire full background was there was a lot of covert [ __ ] going on and did he did he express a desire to do something like this to the Russians at some point and they you know that okay well here's an interesting opportunity right now they wouldn't they would have sparked on that and they would have thought about it you know would they have actually you know no play on woods intended but would they have pulled the trigger on an operation trying to push him into doing an act like this maybe indirectly through the Cubans exactly especially they like this crazy [ __ ] might go ahead and do this for us yeah so after the Bay of Pigs people have to realize there was a lot of people pissed off in Kennedy we lost out of people to chef hey everybody Khrushchev hated Kennedy yeah and so well that infamous video where he's banging it down on the table we will bury you yeah yeah no it was it was the environment was right for them and they and again the Russians it shouldn't surprise anybody when you talk about what they did during this election I mean they've been doing this forever in orbit there you go back to 1940s and the Russians were you know spending a lot of time effort and money here in the states trying to keep us out of the war back before Hitler invaded Russia and when they were allied with a Nazi still so they spent a lot of time they set up you know independent association supposedly they paid off a lot of unions and union members if you know journalists I mean they were doing everything they could create this or to strengthen the idea of isolationism just to keep us out they've been doing this for as long as they've been around right so anybody who says well I can't yeah it's just shocking the Russians would be engaged in this it's ridiculous they've always been again we by the way have been engaged doing that with them what that's right here fine I've heard that online I find that Alex John sorry do believe thing that bothers me the most about the Kennedy assassination is the universal support for the Magic Bullet theory I think that [ __ ] bullet is ridiculous I've shot things I've shot a lot of things I know what happens to bullets everybody that I know that the marksman everybody know that's a hunter they see a bullet that is hit bone it [ __ ] never looks like that when a bullet goes through two people and comes out looking like you shot it into a pool of water that's what it looks like I don't buy that at all and convenience of finding it on Connolly's gurney and they roll them into the hospital oh look guys we found a bullet got it and it's perfect god I don't buy that for a second and the problem is there's more metal fragments in Connolly's body than we're missing from the bullet itself I think that bullet itself look at that bullet get up I talk outta here that thing didn't hit [ __ ] it's exactly right I've covered you know this with people that have never shot guns and they watch Elisha proven that broke bones and a bullet breaks bones they get [ __ ] most a jacketed bullet when it's jacketed bullet breaks bones it gets [ __ ] there you're talking about something that's going I mean how fast was a bullet from that rifle go it's gotta be kind of that that would be interesting thing to pull up but I would imagine it's in the thousands of feet per second it's got to be when it hits bone it's going to blow there's always distortion even if you don't know I mean it is so I I don't buy that boy when you have a conversation about this and it is somebody who has no shooting experience or you know it's just anything all right that's fine I understand why you're fascinated by it but do when you do your research you know it's like with news read every writing write read The Wall Street Journal read the New York Times read the Financial Times we read The Economist but read everything yes before you form your opinion right and and and everybody's so siloed nowadays and you get the same thing with conspiracy theories I absolutely believe this and I'm not going to discount everything else that's out there yeah and or just not pay any attention to it yeah but it's hard to say and here's another thing the magic bullet path people like well how is that possible well let me tell you something that's the most believable thing about the magic bullet there is the path of the bullet because bullets do wacky [ __ ] when they hit bone and you can't predict it at all I know a guy who was in Iraq they shot a guy in the head from the front and it went out his eyeball the bullet came out of his eyeball back forward it ricocheted inside of his skull and came out his eye you can I mean again you can't for you right you can't predict it that's right I model these things and figure out it but you know there's an unknown there and so yeah I agree I mean I think that again it's it's one of those things where it's never going to get resolved and it it's going to continue to live on because a it was such an important event and bright in the history of the country and be it I keep going back to that same thing people don't want to believe that really awful [ __ ] can happen sometimes in a very simple straightforward way and so it's much easier to think it was a broad-based conspiracy there were lots of moving parts sometimes bad [ __ ] happens and it's just as simple as it's seen that is possible conversely people don't like to believe in conspiracies especially when it evolved in an assassination of a president right you know the reason why they came up with the whole Magic Bullet theory in the first place is pretty shady in the first in fact the reason why they did is because the guy got hit by a ricochet underneath the overpass and they blamed that bullet on one of the one of the shots from Harvey Oswald in the Book Depository so they said well alright so now we have less bullets that could have hit Kennedy we have all these wounds and we have to tribute a series of wounds to one bullet right right so that was the the thought process behind it but this is a pruder film was the one that got people weirded out by it I tell you about man I've watched that film a bunch of times and one of the things that don't jive is if he did get hit from the front you know his head goes back to left why is the blood spray out forward see it's it's weird the way the impact of the blood is it's like that blood sprays forward and then his head goes back into the left it could have possibly been that he was hit from the front and the back at the same time that's entirely possible I mean that is a tactic you would do right you would roll someone into an area where there would be in a crossfire and it would get shots well if they came in if there was if the grassy knoll was in fact a second side for a shooter then by the time it hits that corner and starts its path just before the shots were fired from the Book Depository and Oswald if you if you're going with that if you had another shooter up on the grass you know you're you are basically looking right at the the front of the radical and because of the way that it it's positioning the Noles kind of turned and then it's just that it's just that there's not a lot of concealment up there right and they had that they had the defense the picket fence it's not the original one that's there anymore but it's basically in line with it and you can there's plenty of pictures of the previous fence that was up there at the time and you had that yet you did have the train yard engineer report sometime after the fact that he saw a puff of smoke he wasn't quite sure what that was all about he's seen a couple of people back there so that you know that was that's an interesting thread to pull on right and I think that that it's been you know it's been researched at nauseam doesn't mean you couldn't still find something it also doesn't mean anybody's going to really find a conclusion after the fact right obviously today yeah no that's right and you know it's like everything else this time which is on you lose you know you lose witnesses you lose you know people that were there on site and even witnesses when everyone gets shot now obviously the president a shot not credible you'll have five different stories and five different people and gunshots heard from the moon nobody's got that function of robbery just watch your car on your car accident you say you say what did you see if you separate people out your right you get five different versions from five different people yeah and you know so yeah I was an eyewitness accounts I tend not to be particularly compatible and you've got to you know you've got to take them and then you've got a you know match it up with other information you can you can pull together forensic Leawood it's it is fascinating [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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[u/richardhead6666]

The mafia wanted him dead but so did the federal reserve, can't forget the nazi's from paper clip. That's the cabal.