Jocko Podcast 299 w/ Theo Von: Sometimes You Need a Little Laugh. Sometimes You Need a Big One.

this is jaco podcast number 299 with echo charles and me jocko willing good evening echo good evening so there is a video and it's it's out there in the world on youtube or whatever you can find it and it's it's a video of the battle of ramadi in 2006 in the summer time and there's this big fire fight going on and you can tell it's pretty intense there's machine gun fire a bunch of people putting rounds down range people are yelling and barking out orders and passing information and you can kind of put together that they're working to get a bomb dropped from air support on a vehicle that the insurgents had been utilizing and fighting from and they they get the bomb run and right as the right as the bomb is about to hit there's a lull in the gunfire because guys are taking cover you know as that bomb is going to hit and then so there's a lull in the fire and then the bomb hits and there is a massive explosion and you hear like a couple hoots and then you hear this you hear this bellowing laughter from one person and you can tell though the laughter is sort of it's some surprise it's some excitement it's some level of relief and some it's also just some twisted dark military humor that's making this person bellow out with this laughter and i watch that video sometimes and i listen to that video sometimes not for the firefighter not for the bomb drop but to hear that laugh that laugh is coming from seth stone and you don't see him on camera but if you knew seth then that laugh is unmistakable and that's what i like to hear and that's reflective of life because seth was [Music] he was tough and he was brave and he was smart and he was creative and he was a combat leader but above all those characteristics what i like to remember most about him now now that he's gone is his laugh and humor is a blessing and laughter is an antidote to pain and suffering and anguish and sometimes it's the only relief for those things i have another friend who once told me everybody's got their vietnam and in this particular case he was talking about the fact that his first girlfriend when he was a kid was older than him and was bigger than him and she would just pick him up and kiss him against his will and there wasn't anything he could do about it and so he just had to deal with it he just had to get through it everybody's got their vietnam he told me and he wasn't in vietnam nor was he even a veteran but he was just adding humor to life but there is some truth to that statement everybody struggles in life and those struggles vary some struggles we face are imposed on us by the world some struggles we face are imposed on us by ourselves they also vary in intensity and consequence and depending on who you are when it's your problem when it's your struggle that's the world and as was with seth one of the best ways to overcome struggle is humor comedy and that same friend of mine certainly has used humor to get through his life let's get through some of his struggles and some of those struggles more severe than just getting kissed by a seventh grader his name is theo vaughn and he's here with us tonight to share some of his struggles and some of the lessons he's learned in making everyone laugh as a comedian in order to overcome those struggles that we all face theo theovonne thanks for coming by man good to be here man thank you guys for having me um what's going on yeah i'm sorry to hear about mr stone man i didn't know that guy but definitely i never been through anything like basmati you know i mean i've had their rice i guess i don't even know what i've had i think i don't know i mean i yes i have had it and i think i'm gonna say i have and that's actually one of my favorite i like a lot so basmati is a kind of rice i think it is echo confirmed i i can neither come on nor did jasmine if anybody at this table hasn't had more experience with rice i'm going to say it's cute brother to be honest man no offense dude that's an advanced race yeah okay yeah okay yeah yeah sorry but um yeah man i never had anything like that but yeah i think yeah i don't know i'm just happy to be here man i i think yeah everybody does have their own vietnam you know in some ways sometimes they're small and sometimes they're big you know sometimes they're on the inside of us and sometimes they're on the outside yes i was uh one of my kids came home and this was i was still in the navy at the time and i came home and there was like wars going on and there was something happening overseas and i was trying to contend with how we're going to get guys prepared for this combat situation and i came home one time and you know one of my kids complained about something it was some kind of real struggle i forget what it was but i remember at first i was kind of like what are you kidding me we're at war i didn't say those words i was able to keep myself in check but what i realized was whatever you're doing in life that's that's that's the that's your world right and so when that world gets tough and you don't know anything else man that that struggle that is your vietnam yeah and that's where people end up whether it's you know some girl kissing on you when you're whatever susannah dude well the tough part was other people were watched like the bigger boy like my brother and his friends the bus would pick them up first and so then it would come and get me and so that's when she would pick me up and it was like my first girlfriend so i was also like excited kind of to have her but i was kind of embarrassed honestly to have her like in front of i didn't want ever i was just kind of she was just tougher than me you know she played i think baseball you know and she could have played softball right right so she just opted yeah i mean she was doing that you know so yeah they didn't even have that back then so let's get let's get into uh for the people a lot of people don't know who you are i guess that might listen to this podcast i know you're really uh famous as a comedian right yeah that's the deal yeah i'm done with the well as a comedian man and so i'm grateful to have that i'm i'm happy to be here today with you guys man you know i really am thank you for having me so you grew up where were you born i was born in um louisiana i was born in louisiana and uh covington louisiana so not a real part i mean it's a good place we have tallest statue of ronald reagan that's cool and um he's never seen it but we got it so if there's ever like what's the connection with me too so like homeless dudes are always trying to like get in there and ship his thumbs off and and you know uh get the reimbursement but uh why why reagan is he connected to that town at all they just somebody dug him somebody that had enough copper enjoyed him and i think donated it to the city to be honest no your dad was like a older gentleman when you were born oh yeah yeah my dad was 70 years old my dad was born in 1910 and um and he was from nicaragua and he was uh so he was a senior citizen when i met him you know so eddie was from nicaragua yeah now i i i saw that he was from bluefield nicaragua yeah he's from bluefield i've never been there but i heard a lot of i've heard it's a tough place to be sometimes because of their politics but i heard it's really nice i heard that and i don't know what's so what's your dad's like background was he from there because i guess this place was kind of settled by european pirates have you heard this yeah i don't know my dad was doing his younger i don't even see any other pictures of him so i don't know eye patches yeah i've never seen him you know hanging out with a parrot i've never seen any of his you know past work when i knew him it just you know it was just a lot of stories and there was more like the stories by the time i met them and stories you know they they get barnacles on them over time they gain traction they get tread they get they take different avenues and so by the time i knew them it was more i was kind of left with the you know just the stories you know the refined stories you know um what do you how do you end up in america i don't know man i really don't random and those are things i wish that i'd have been able to know better and i think those are things where sometimes like for me anyway where i feel disconnection sometimes is not having had that you know some of those types of conversations when i was old enough to kind of care you know um and yeah when i was like 12 once i got like 12 or 13 i kind of i was like i mean it was kind of embarrassing you know having such an older day my dad would fall he'd be asleep at like a vent he would fall asleep at the um carpool when he'd come pick us up he'd fall asleep and so the lady had to go wake him up it was always like so much extra stuff that you don't think you have to do as a kid just a lot of like oh you know yeah so um but yeah he was cool though man it was also interesting you know he knew a lot of people were about to die everybody introduced me was about to die so what was the deal with your mom like i mean he must have been some kind of a you know he must have some cool characteristics because how old was your mom my mom was 32 when i was born and he didn't have any money so i don't know who would bang an old dude with no money bro that's insane that is pioneer woman i know one i mean that is a pioneer woman you want to talk about a pioneer woman was he a woman or something was he super like he had a comb i remember that he kept in his pocket maybe he was pretty dope he had a nice one of those small combs men used to keep and they still keep them in cuba a lot of time you see a lot of cuban men still got that small comb on them then you think that might have been the critical factor for for your mom looking at him thinking damn look at that cone i think in a small town you know it's just that something like that could stand out was your mom from covington louisiana too she's from illinois so she's just real hard-working lady you know my mother really likes to work hard and she's oh we delivered newspapers and stuff when i was a kid and delivered all type of stuff um oh she used to deliver cookies for a little while for some company dude and i go lay in her car at night and just lay on to on the box and just eat them [ __ ] right just just imagine being almost as big as the box and you're just laying on it and you're opening up and that's my vietnam you're in the dark you're trying to be quiet dude and sometimes they would tape them extra you know and you're like i'm gonna be all right and you just fall you get in and you're just as many cookies as you could have man you're laying on them your mouth's laying open on them like chocolate chip cookies nah these i remember the ones they had were kind of uh a hard kind of yellow cookie with a bit of uh kind of this granulated sugar kind of square it looked like glitter on the top oh yeah yeah the shortbread one i don't know i was excited about your story like i could picture that but i i just don't feel like choc i feel like cookies there's chocolate chip cookies and then everything else is kind of just not in the same ballpark i don't know if i'd agree with that sir i mean we don't have to agree on everything i'm just giving you my perspective yeah no one i appreciate you giving it to me man and i would probably i'd watch you with a chocolate chocolate chip cookie i think you know i'd watch it i wonder would be fun to watch you eat you know i don't know a mango i better be pretty funny i don't even like mango huh oddly enough then that would make it better for us no i in fact i don't really i've like i grew up my we didn't have a lot of money when i was growing up and so we ate a lot of hamburgers right like in the morning i would have a hamburger on an english muffin and for lunch i would have hamburger on bread and then for dinner i'd have a hamburger on a bun so you get you know all meals could be burgers but i didn't really i didn't even like steak until i was maybe like 22 or 23. oh yeah yeah because it just it just didn't taste good to me i mean i would think why not just grind this thing up and put it on and put it into a patty yeah yeah so i don't know maybe it's funny to watch me eat a burger on a muffin for breakfast yeah i could see i think that would be a unique show watching strong men eat stuff that's a little bit more dainty you know maybe have a petty for some kind of a unique a delectable you know kind of a cookie from another country or something i can see that you can't even manage it with your fingers you know it's almost like a grenade almost to a regular guy you know uh did your mom and dad stay together they stayed together for a while man they had four children and um [Music] and then i don't know what happened i don't know what happened and that's kind of when i started to become like mentally you know aware of my world and yeah at that point my dad was older he didn't live with us and then um yeah we just had four children and my mom was working a lot and that's where we were so your mom basically ended up as a single mom yeah she end up as a single mom and and yeah and i don't know i i i i you would almost i don't know what you would expect kind of having a child or children with the older man you know what kind of expectations you might have um but but i don't know you know i don't know what kind of comfort she needed in her world maybe she needed to have a family i don't know what she needed at that time but um yeah so they had they had children and then my dad was kind of gone and then i got a little ashamed of my i got embarrassed a little bit i was just at that age i think where children get where they're if they're not like other children if anything's out of the norm then they feel like something's wrong with them or they feel just embarrassed i'm sure you've seen it with your children was there a time where they get embarrassed yeah it doesn't i don't think it matters if you're uh you know like tom brady your kids are going to be embarrassed or like dwayne the rock johnson your kids will be like oh here comes the big idiot again like i don't think it matters who you are there's going to be your kids are going to go through an age period where they're embarrassed by you yeah and then you got to kind of like just work through it i guess and hopefully you come out the other side and they realize oh you know that's not too bad but i guess the weird thing you said like your mom's expectations i mean the fact of the matter is he's 70 yeah you're born i mean expectations are they're not even expectations facts are he ain't going to be around all that much longer right you know yeah she's going to have a time off yeah that's a limited time that's got an expiration date on it so she signed up for because she kind of signed up for that activity yeah yeah and i think and and i think when sometimes i it's hard to not hold that angst when i look at my life in places that were uncomfortable for me as a child like um and i'm not complaining i'm just trying to share some of you know share what some of that was like for me but um yeah i think there was times where it's like uh you felt like you weren't part of a plan like nobody planned or if you were it was a plan that was um destined to fail you know what i'm saying and so then that almost makes you feel like well what's going on if my commander-in-chief here my mother or something set me up in this plan that doesn't seem like it has statistically just doesn't seem super smart no no no now how old were you when you started having thoughts like that i was it's you know that those are kind of thoughts when i was a kid like i was just thinking you know machine gun throwing rocks uh you know taking apart pieces of furniture yeah i mean just talking ignorant stuff and it seems like you're sitting here thinking about the grand scheme and all these plans like how how old were you when you started going down that road i don't think i was i think i was older when i when i started realizing that stuff okay so this is like looking back yeah a lot of that's looking back um but i think at the time i'm dealing with the ramifications of some of that without knowing it without always wondering well what why do i feel certain ways or why do i behave certain ways so like a subconscious that's probably just that probably just a subconscious feeling of man this doesn't seem like this is gonna even as a little kid you're like man we're eating ramen again right who came up with this plan right yeah there's just no plan like mom's working there's no dad's so old so you start to get concerned for your dad's health then you have this weird uncomfortable thing where you're supposed to be kind of a child and be free to just not have any worries but you have these weird extra worries of like you know your dad is getting older you know and so i remember being like eight years old and walking to church with my dad we had a church a few blocks away and he would ask me what the where he could walk and stuff because of the sidewalks in louisiana the the roots come up through them just like kneecaps just like you know you got a thousand long-legged men buried right there under the sidewalk you know and some of them's you know you know they just it's just real femory along those side you know the sidewalks will do a damn they'll be in a damn trapezoid or something half of it dude if you take the sidewalk honestly it can take you more time to get where you're going you know what i'm saying the street is the sidewalk's like the oregon trail bro there's natives under part of it i mean it gets real dicey so i remember walking with my dad and he's like can i walk here and stuff like that so then you're i remember getting in this weird space of like um just hyper concern in awareness that's what i think it was awareness so then i had a lot of awareness so did that lead to uh you said behaviors what kind of behaviors do you think that there's a situation where you were you acting get in trouble in school were you you know turning into the delinquent kid were you trying to work real hard to make sure you always had money i mean what what how did you react to this situation well i think looking back on it and it's interesting because in my life right now i've been doing a lot of work on this kind of stuff specifically like trying to just just get enough comfort in the sediment or those sedimentary layers those real like just those deep layers it's hard for me to plant roots i notice in my adult life and i think it's because something's the soil is just it's just not enough room in that soil from when i was a when i was younger and i wouldn't care if i was able to plant things in my life that would be able to grow effectively but i've had trouble doing that like relationships commitment to things wanting to start like a family or have a relationship but struggle with it so i'm sorry this isn't very funny dude i feel bad guys you know the one day i mean everybody on y'all show somebody's dying or you know somebody got naded out bro and then i'm supposed to come in and have some relief and i'm sitting here i don't think there's there's no one really that tuned into my podcast that's expecting or anticipating or it's going to be let down if they're not you know if there's not levity in the situation it's okay you don't have to be funny here you can just talk about just mayhem and death as far as i'm concerned we'll still be good to go okay okay good yeah i think so um one of the things that i would note that i noticed now looking back is that i didn't whenever i realized that that was my life situation that my dad was real older and that my mom was working all the time i didn't believe that the world was a comfortable place for me so as a real young kid i just there was enough elements in the atmosphere where i just made that choice as a my spirit made the choice whatever it is something inside of me it wasn't a choice i made like i would make a choice now it's like i don't trust the world to be a safe place for me so whatever brought me into this world whatever the elements are these are not trustworthy elements um and not that i would treat them untrusted not that i'd be mean to them but just in my spirit knows that you have to take care of yourself so then you start to try and manage everything yourself um so i was always really concerned with uh the only thing i had left then like people would look at me you know what the bus dropped me off like in the poor neighborhood and my dad was so old and my mom was always gone working she wasn't like a mom some of the other kids had so um so the only thing i could control was me how you saw me that was it the only piece of my image i had was what you saw of me so i would like bike to school so i didn't have to get off the poor bus i would like um befriend certain kids so you thought i was in a certain group uh i just i was hyper concerned with kind of image management because it's all i had left you know i wouldn't i've tried not to be seen around my family i kind of because i just didn't want i don't know i was just hyper concerned with the only thing that i had that i still had control over was my own image really and this doesn't make any sense yeah it makes sense but it's like this is something that you're realizing reflectively looking back like at the time you were like you weren't consciously saying oh i'm i'm embarrassed so i'm going to do this you were just like man i don't really want to get on that bus or get off that bus so i'm just going to bike to school that seems like a smart thing to do right i think but i start to had i had so much awareness i think i just so aware always and so then um you know i just i think i was making choices that i didn't want people to see me a certain way how am i going to be so then i got stuck in this how can i manage what people think of me so was the was the was the image that you wanted to project because you could see there's plenty of people that they're in those kind of rough situations and there you know some people go all right i'm gonna get straight a's and i'm gonna go to a good college i'm gonna do all this other stuff or some people well i'm gonna become uh you know i'm gonna become a the toughest delinquent that there can be and people are gonna be scared of me so you know you get someone going towards like the gang life or whatever what was it that you were kind of moving towards were you an athlete were you playing sports yeah we played some decent sports in our neighborhood dude and it was real dicey bro we had a lot of people man we had one dude who would sneak my we'd play football and he'd bring matches with him and burn you while he was doing defense bro and that's crazy when you're thinking okay who's guarding me you know thomas this kid thomas dude he's just matching you down you know if you're not making cuts real hard so just some [ __ ] like that man we played in this one field that had a big hole right in the middle of it theater not to the middle but off to the side with this church football field man and uh damn people would go missing in that [ __ ] son you know i mean there's a couple they had a family of 11 that i swear to god after a long game was a family attend uh they lost somebody in their little jennifer somebody but i remember they were dude i remember they would make girls they would put them on the football field playing football just in the neighborhood spray paint a number on this one kid's back just all kind of [ __ ] man fun stuff though looking back what about organized sports in high school did you play i got into that when i was 11. i got into that when i was 11. so yeah i think one thing we just were around our neighborhood a lot we get we get home from school and we would just be up to our own devices you know um but one thing i started to notice was like uh i didn't i had a real untrustworthy relationship with the world so i was always worried about i think what people were thinking of me and i felt like people didn't like me i felt like i think because sometimes i don't know if i was just such an uncomfortable kid sometimes the i needed laughter so i always felt like if you were laughing you couldn't dislike me and laugh at the same moment like at that moment like it was down to that moment like when you were done laughing i didn't know what you thought of me you know it was kind of scary because um i think i didn't think much of myself and so the only way i had to feel about myself from moment to moment was how other people felt about me you know if i'm real honest and so um so i think that's why i needed laughter because it was like oh man if i can get it was the only thing i trusted is that there's no way somebody could be laughing and i could see them laughing and having joy and [Music] and hate me at the same time you know it was just so that was like that was the only equation that made that to me was undeniable and i think that's and i was a hyper-sensitive kid you know other people aren't as sensitive and so they're able you know they can manage things better i was hypersensitive you know um so i'm really grateful that god gave me whatever i needed to be able to find humor you know um because there was other kids in my neighborhood and in the environment that that in my family didn't get that and so it's and i'm not trying to get any self-pity i'm just trying to share what i'm thinking and feeling at the same time you know uh and a lot of this is stuff i've been working through recently like in the past few weeks pretty heavily and so a lot of it's real fresh on my brain as well you know yeah well it's scary about well not scary from your perspective is the minute someone stops laughing you just want to try and make them laugh again so you can get that get that get that good feeling back yeah well it's a safe feeling i just need to it's like man this is a place where i feel okay if they're laughing you know um so yeah so i think and i wasn't like a goofy dude i wasn't like farting in the pudding or anything like that you know i'm saying i wasn't some you know booty creep or something i just liked saying things and and i was real aware so i would see things kind of going on i think i was real aware and so so it was fun to be able to get people to laugh at moments if you didn't think they were and then you start managing laughter because laughter becomes your main tool that you have to feel okay and so then you start using laughter almost like you're calling plays and stuff and you have these little those are my weapons you know that was my knives that was my fists even you know i wasn't i didn't have a lot of physical confidence so so laughter was it really for me that was my biceps you know it seems like too uh there's a opportunity for someone that's in your position where you have this kind of like insecurity and kind of a little bit of a paranoia against the world to go down the path of like drug and alcohol abuse and we all know where that path ends up if we stay on it so how did that enter your life i mean what about there had to be drugs and alcohol down there what was what was that like what was that influence how how did you manage that part of the world yeah you know that's interesting you know i have family members in my own close family that have suffered with addiction and stuff like that um and i really love and i also love thinking about this kind of stuff like this kind of stuff for me talking about feelings and stuff some people say well you know feelings is the past and actions is what matters and that's true i believe that like i can think all day and it's probably not going to help me act any different and i know in my own life if i do act a certain way my thoughts will follow me my thoughts really are your troops really you know uh um they say in a lot of recovery rooms that you can't think your way in the right action but you can act your way into right thinking it's a common term and it's easy for people that struggle with addiction or addictive personalities to understand that it's real simple so sorry what was the question i felt a little bit nervous just just as far as what you know how old were you when alcohol got introduced how old oh yeah oh dude i remember i found some liquor on some uh alas a liquor or something peach mango starburst baby breath watermelon something dude on the top shelf dude it was nine different colors bruh and i found some nudie mags up there too same time titty literature so next thing you know dude i'm ejaculating and just just i remember falling off the shelf i found them like i never made it off top shelter there about four hours here i've never been on the top shelf you know i don't come from a real balancing family so i'm up there dude i'm drinking i'm [ __ ] masturbating you know and i remember just blacking out and falling off that shelf and i probably fell man i bet six and a half feet almost eight feet so not far how old are you at this time oh i was probably about 13 you know and so then but i had other family members who were struggling with drugs and alcohol so i had this really i didn't see that uh i didn't see that as like a a way for me to get in a thing like i didn't see that as an escape really from me so i never used that as an escape um but as i got a little bit older in my life i i started realizing that i was uncomfortable uh and i was some of the survival techniques i'd used as a child weren't helping me anymore um [Music] you mean even the comedy piece even making people laugh did that start to wear out well or what survivor was the only connection that i knew so i had a tough time making real connections with people especially women if i wanted to be in a relationship or or even i think sometimes friends or knowing that a connection was safe like sometimes i'll overdo a connection somebody will say yeah everything's fine man we'll be there and i'll still be hyper worried about it you know when it's fine it's somebody else that's totally normal but um because somebody some connections with people are always feel real new and scary to me i think i was just scared to make them um so anyway i started realizing i was having trouble making real connections with people people would say man i feel like i don't know you but i feel like i would be sharing a lot of stuff uh and so then i i got in to i started going to some recovery meetings 12 step and i couldn't relate to the drugs and alcohol but i could relate when people talk about how they felt you know just uh just the feelings and so i started learning about oh other people feel some of these ways and it's okay to have feelings or to struggle with them and whatever and so that's when i really started to like being a part of recovery and there's all types of it you know i mean there's stuff for everything there's recovery for people that wear shirts that don't fit or that fit too tightly yeah and uh [Music] zone just [ __ ] pick up a couple extra smalls dude the sad part is there is a small boy out there somewhere right now you don't have a [ __ ] you don't have a shirt have we talked about that before taco did we talk about that talk about what somebody with a small shirt uh i don't know if we talked about that so yeah so i think that's where i found 12 step was interesting and then it was pretty that was later in life right yeah that was later in life so for a long time i think i just i chose comedy because it doing stand-up comedy it's like a lifestyle of disconnection you're in town for four or five days and then you go so if you have a relationship starting you're like oh you know gotta go to chuckle willie's over in tacoma you know and so it's like you're out of town and then and then you're in a new place where you can have some you know it's like the the moss of life never has a chance to grow on you really you keep out running the moss really and the moss is things that that are real or you know or barnacles anything that you just you just evade things enough and comedy just offered me that i don't even know if i wanted to be a comedian i think i wanted to not have to be somewhere so what how old were you when you did your first you know got on stage and did your first stand-up gig let me think man it was rwanda dude i think it was 2001. it was midnight and i was in a i think i was in a foxhole or falcon nest or something i don't know what was happening we couldn't see we got a bad batch of banana taffy from a local [ __ ] was dicey there were fire fire ants there was a there was not yeah not firefight there was actual fire ants in the hole yeah um no sorry i'm just trying to um trying to make you laugh a little but um was it local oh yeah i went to a school when i was oh i remember well the best thing was just at the lunch table with your friends and i think that's the thing you're always chasing as a comedian is just being in an environment where you're just making your friends laugh you know um but i went to a class in los angeles a lot of people don't even know that i went to a class like a comedy class yeah like when you see written like just like putting those cheesy orange letters on the side of a strip mall yeah i was always wondering who signed up for those things there you go apparently they work dude and it was so weird that there was some guy that worked speaking of autozone yeah totally it was your future employment homes oh yeah dude i think the class was even sponsored by like a pet boy or some quick oil offering outlet so man we were in the class and it was but the interesting thing about the class was it was not very i don't know if it was helpful it was an environment where you were joking around but the thing was at the end of the class you got to perform on stage at a real comedy club so that was the thing and they taped it for you and this now everybody's got tape this back when that limited amount of tape yeah so you had a tape baby you had that cossette though you know and so i remember i got up there and you had to do three minutes and you were so nervous but then you had a tape and so then you felt like oh i have a piece of proof you know and then after that they had a comedy room near me this gentleman had half a limb and he was uh he was missing part of his leg i think or he said he was so he could have been faking it cgi or something i don't know what his name was i mean it was a cj it was a white dude okay but uh anyway yeah he opened up a comedy room about two blocks from where i was living in la and i went over there on wednesdays and and there was a couple times where i quit i moved back to new orleans and they had a comedy room there how are you making money when you're working at i mean this guy's is he even paying you or are you paying to get to perform are you paying him oh there's times a lot of it was bring her you got to bring people and if you don't bring enough you have to pay so that was part of it man that's that's an under that's a dirty sub culture business of uh comedy did you say bring or show what did you say yeah they call bringer shows and you got to bring people with you and if you don't bring like five people and then you know probably ten dollars to get in or something then you have to pay that the difference but on the 50 damn so so this is that's where you start in comedy that's where it's at yeah that's really where i start and now and honestly man when i started i knew i i knew that i was doing pretty good at it when i started i knew that i could do it i knew that i could do it and then once the lifestyle came along where you got to scoot around and be any place that i didn't have to make a real connection which i didn't realize wasn't a strong suit of mine really i didn't really realize it at that point i didn't really realize i was evading something i thought i was going towards something and i think it's probably like that for a lot of us in all types of jobs you know sometimes the field i'm chasing it's it's not so much something that i'm going for as if i can figure out if there's something that i'm trying to be away from you know and i mean that's just for me i don't know if that's really for everybody in the in the seal teams we used to say like well you know if i mean things get bad you know just go on a trip get on that plane everything's for everything's gone no more problems you're in some new place everything's great now yeah that was the that was the deal you know so whatever's happening you know you'd have some guy living out here in san diego he's having problems with his wife or his girlfriend or whatever cool going on a trip down a plane no problems anymore they're all gone similar thing yeah evading the problems yeah and i was and i didn't yeah and i didn't know i was doing that you know i just didn't know and then also you're out there you have you were able to establish brief relationships you know one night stands you know a little bit of sex here and there a little bit of touching jerking off next to someone not even sex sometimes or even just jerking off by yourself and wishing somebody was there you know which is really one i mean that was that was probably two out of three times yeah you mentioned lately like only one of those sounded like a relationship the other one's out in like perversion and the other one just sounded lovely so i don't know where's you know you're kind of getting a taste for maybe what a relationship could be but if you got a good imagination dude you could have a real dime right there with you you know and i was strong bro in the freaking in that middle freaking cauldron i was really running some strong soup so so you would you'd be out in l.a how long you got out in la for i've been out there you know i'd be out there for months at a time yeah and what would make you would you just run out of money and be like i'm going back to louisiana yeah something would be uncomfortable i'd have a long term i had a long-term relationship for a little while which is like the closest relationship i could get into was having one with you know thousands of miles of space in it and um yeah so i i yeah and then comedy but comedy kept doing good it was like this thing and when i look back i really think it was something god that just you know god just wanted to keep taking care of me you know even though i think when i was young i always when i didn't trust the world i didn't trust god i didn't trust that anybody had like was looking out for me what what years is this it's probably 2 000 probably 2 000 now i know about 2016. i would say 2007 so during this time you're like what's the progression once you would you do good with uh bring or show once you get good at that like okay now you're almost always going to have people coming in at what point do you at what point are you you thinking yourself all right i can i can live i can make i can pay my rent i can get food from comedy right well i got i got a credit card that's at what point okay when i got that credit card boy that delta reserve they hit me up in the mail bro you know and i looked at some of the planes online i said these people are doing well i'm open account with them so i went probably about 30 something thousand dollars in debt over probably about four years which was a lot of debt when you never have had you know three thousand dollars in a bank account so for all those years are you paycheck to paycheck yeah just paycheck to paycheck maybe you have 800 bucks in your bank account maybe you got a thousand maybe you did a good show and you maybe got 1400 but then you got to buy a new freaking whatever uh uh yeah the next flight was the big experience was that next flight so this is a struggle it's a struggle and it start it is a struggle honestly and i look i know it's it's a it's my own struggle it's the struggle in that sense i'm not other people have way bigger struggles but it's uh but that's the struggle part of that job at a minimum it's a financial struggle yes and you're are you looking at it thinking well i'll be doing this for the rest of my life like for the rest of my life i'm going to be sitting here you know going from town to town making 480 one night is that how much you make when you're one of these level comedians no i think at that point if you do a feature weekend somewhere you can get paid six hundred dollars for about five shows but you have to buy your flight so that takes three hundred and if you eat on eighty this is what you're looking at anything about mixed martial arts uh besides ufc like when you're young these fighters got trained a ton of fighters that's what they're doing they're going to fight in nebraska they're going to get paid 200 to fight two hundred dollars if they win and the flight out there costs freaking 800 bucks and they got to pay medical for their checkup it's a freaking disaster yeah they're killing this is the same thing right it really is man i think it really is too at the end those guys are carrying it they have two of their teeth taped into their belly buttons they don't forget them yeah it's dicey uh yeah it's just that circuit it's that circuit it's the circuit of that thing and it's um the benefits are the things that keep that are kind of nice and especially if you don't know if other people are settling down getting married your friends getting real jobs that seem more real on paper and those things are i didn't want to be like everybody else that's the thing i always remember in my head i just didn't want to be like a lot of people i wanted to manage my image the only thing i had was everything else in my life since my birth felt like it was like a sentence like this is who you are you are somebody who you know you're not going to be in a home where you were really loved you're not you know things like that i'm not complaining i'm just sharing what i felt like and some of this might not even be real that's the crazy part of some of the stuff it could be in your head but it to me it was very real um so the only thing i could still control was what i what you saw me how i what i was you know and i was just gonna hold out to try and be something i i don't even know if i knew what it was but i was just gonna hold out so when you're a comedian making six 600 for five shows in a weekend that you had to pay 740 for your ticket to get out to wherever you were the what what is making it at that time because i think it's changed and that's where i was trying to wonder what time like nowadays you know there's different avenues since uh what social media is out there and you can use that avenue youtube you can use that avenue there's a podcast you can use that there's all these different avenues but you go rewind ten years like there's none of that oh you can't make a living from youtube wasn't even a thing yeah social media is nothing so you're just just freaking comedy club to comedy club what was quote making it back then okay did you get a did you did you see that as a possibility i got three thousand i remember they gave me three thousand did the comedy central like ten minutes or something and they give you three thousand three thousand dollars for comedy central yeah you do ten minutes they give you three thousand dollars yeah the big ass network comedy central that's like these fight organizations that's the exact same thing man it's the exact same thing it was the ultimate fighting kind it was the ulti it was comedy it was just it was like obviously it was just a different day it was just a different dana white or it's just a different organization you know but then also they had all the eyeballs then they had the eyeballs and so yes you got a little money and then you start to get a little notoriety from the deal from like you could show people oh i really am a comedian that was that's the scariest part as a comedian because you're a comedian and then do you can tell people you're a comedian but it's a real weird thing to tell people until you have some proof that you are a dude because unless not you could be a just a just a yeah i'm a comedian for all practical purposes right well i'm a comedian you could be a murderer a computer dude better suited to be a murderer than a comedian but it's all good dude definitely man and i always loved peeping tommy man since i was a kid dude i love peeping thomas that's really uh not one of the best things to talk about on the podcast if you want to maintain you know yourself not being in prison look i'm a recovering freaking pt your baby you know but that's one thing neat about recovery and being in the circles i have friends that are flashers dude i have friends that have done i mean i have friends that have just gone and knocked on the devil's door dude and waited there until he opened it you know what i'm saying bro and the devil works overtime so rarely is he home he's 24 7 opening that door up so if you're people milling out there just hanging on that freaking welcome mat so so comedy central you got to get money and now you're kind of i mean other comp coming up yes but also other comedians you're kind of like elevated right yeah you started to get elevated you're sort of the man yeah a little bit you get enough that boost that then it tells you okay this path is starting to choose you there's i think there's a unique moment in different paths where you're you're you're you're putting yourself into the path and then the path is also saying hey you know putting its hand out son and i do believe that for comedians man at a certain point it kind of chooses you so once you do comedy central now are when you're going to a comedy club are you headlining now you have a credit you're getting close and you're starting to headline and then you get like 1500 a week so that's when you can start to save a little money and um and you're not selling tickets though you were just most people are coming there's a few people coming to see you maybe 10 15 people but also back then the the clubs had all the email lists they were the gatekeeper so they you know you don't have all that you can start to put it together we'd put the cards on the table fill it out and like but then you're coming before you have to do that and i did it all man put the boxes with the cards are you do you have a manager or whatever like that thing is yeah you have a manager that helps you through the agencies to get booked yeah but you don't have they taken their cut yeah they take their cuts so you're getting 1500 bucks and they're taking 150 150. and then the agent would take 150 and so then you're down to 12 there but but yeah you're still grinding and i still didn't have any other in life there's only so you you i find you i'm either doing something that i want to be doing or i'm attaching my life to other people and maybe starting a family kind of there's not really a ton of different things to do you know really i mean you just so i i and i didn't have anything on that other side of the coin i didn't have any place where i felt like i could make a commitment or start a family so i'm like well this is this shoe just fits so well right now how how many days a year are you touring at this time oh i did man i probably did 48 weeks a year i toured hard man i toured i toured hard man i really didn't sometimes and here's the crazy thing this is one thing i noticed about a brain or somebody that has has maybe issues with alcoholism stuff like that my brain forgets that my brain forgets all that i did all that work so my brain every day has this weird governor in it that's like man you you got to do something man you know you haven't done anything you know i got this weird and i sometimes i don't know where some of that comes from and and those are things i still want to figure out in my life you know where does that come from you know some of those things so those are things i love kind of thinking about and talking with people about is like um yeah where do these weird like this weird legal system that's that i built into my soul where is that where does that all come from and and it's interesting you can figure some of the times you can figure some of that out by talking with other people about uh that sort of thing anyway what do you feel like the prosecution and the defense are are arguing over with the legal system that's in your head but the prosecution is always just a never there was never like us a base foundation that i'm okay so when i don't have that then anything else has a really good chance of infiltrating and getting really into me because there never was this like i had a friend one time who just texted me said hey man you're okay you know just out of the blue and because he knows we talked about stuff he's in recovery and man that [ __ ] just hit me like never in my life had i just heard that or and it just came through in a certain way where i heard it i was like oh man and just i'm just like ball i'm just like so i think just when you don't have that weird that foundation of that anybody just telling you that or the world or just like you feeling it you know then you feel sometimes you always will feel susceptible to any other well then of course you have to build your own thing in your head that's like you got to get going you got to get you got to pull yourself up by the bootstraps you so you do that but then after you're doing well even that thing's still going on that's a childhood system you put in that [ __ ] is loose dude and that [ __ ] is out there [ __ ] partying's got tits dude you know what i'm saying it's turning up and it's [ __ ] dude and it just doesn't there's no control but that thing has been with you for so long that it's hard to get new systems in place to stop those survival things because something had to be in my head to tell me to keep going you know uh but as you get older it's just still running on the same childhood system the same original dos or whatever microsoft dolls so did you ever have a point where you're like in freaking whatever upstate new york you just performed in front of seven people that were talking while you were up on stage and you then you had to pay them money and you're like you know what dude i'm going to get a job at mickey d's did you did you have that oh uh doing tacos selling mexican food to people and i'd sold all kind of food to people over a restaurant and stuff like that i used to sell i sold mexican food to people when i was younger too but did you ever have a point where you were like yeah i gave up at that point there was a point where i gave up oh you gave up on comedy at some point yeah i had this girl i was in this long-term uh relationship and i went back to new orleans and worked at a bar and we was selling mexican food to people above board it was legal [ __ ] and uh and they had a margarita machine in there and i was working that bad boy you know and just doing what i could and then i some guy came in who worked next door and he said like one thing to me and it just set me off like treated you like a chump or something yeah treating me like i was somebody that didn't it was like some rich dude some rich you know second-hand generation rich or third-hand generation rich you know somebody look i'll say this somebody in their family probably had some cotton on them okay and i was more of a polyester bad boy you know what i'm saying i was one of those [ __ ] you know what i'm saying those synthetic fabrics dog okay racism free daddy okay so this dude he said something yeah and it just oh and his family partially owned the place it was a business next door they sold wine like gary vee or whatever guy's name is jerry v telling people to [ __ ] sell their home and sleep in their yard you know what i'm saying and that dude was raised on a damn wine wine farm or something dude he said that [ __ ] you know what i'm saying dude hiding grapes in his ass at night freezing grapes and [ __ ] hiding them in his ass and he's telling people how to struggle dude that guy had his mind he's like oh damn dude oh you still have silverware in your house [ __ ] sell it and then he shows up and he'll like hug the dude the guy can't even he has no way to get food in his mouth you know the guy's [ __ ] just knuckling through some chowder knuckling through some booyah bass and he's like no worries he made 76 last night and he hugs him you know what i'm saying he's like what the [ __ ] and then he drives off and the family's just standing there in a park another winner i got out of his [ __ ] mind dude and he hugs oh you sold two extra christmas sweaters you didn't need from last year and they're crying together like what is going on dude um but anyway i don't look man i gotta give some love to my boy i'm sorry the videos i'm not saying the guy's not a smart guy the videos though and the guy it grew up well off well no i think he actually didn't grow up well off that's part of his that's going to be lying no you partially lying but it's not really lying if you don't know but he was he grew up you know his dad owned like a corner liquor store or something and he did you know he got after and created the uh but in my neighborhood a corner liquor store is the same as a winery yeah so if you're looking at it from maybe from theo vaughn's perspective oh yeah he grew up like big time oh yeah look at these dudes over here huh slanging that riesling so this rich dude comes in he says something to you he said something and that night i broke the margarita machine i set that [ __ ] on and broke it and i knew that cost him probably about 600 and that was it and i didn't go back there man and then i went back to la and i was kind of yeah i didn't want to be yeah i couldn't commit to the relationship i was in and i just went back to la and so and then things like i started i don't know what happened then but i started picking up some steam and that's when pod some podcasting started and um and i just was really fortunate man you know my producer nick davis who's a great guy is a huge fan of yours and so you were gracious enough to come on and rogan had me on his podcast at the same time and a couple of other little things happened where suddenly i kind of had a fan base i don't know if there was much space in between oh i did a netflix special that didn't do anything then wait what came out first the netflix special yeah okay so that thing came out but it doesn't really matter no one really notices it did nothing man i was so excited i remember i went to chattanooga i'm all fired up and i'm thinking it's gonna be packed man and it was a small it wasn't even a big club and there was nine people in there damn so when stuff like that happens that's gotta be tough to power through i mean when you're especially with everything you've said so far tonight about wanting people's laughter and approval and all this stuff and you can release the netflix be special and this is what do you think man bro i'll say that for somebody named echo you don't even repeat much dawg oh dude i'm glad you could laugh at this oh yeah that's painful oh it's painful bruh but when painful here's a crazy thing about painful man when most of what you know in your life feels like painful then i think [ __ ] like that just kind of [ __ ] fits on the ship so how are you how are you so for other people right because other people are having their chattanooga experience where nine people show up they're having you know whatever happened in their life what did you do because here's another thing when you were talking about gary vee and i've i people will assess this about me too because it's like hard work hard work hard work and i just had this conversation with someone the other day they're like you know yeah at my company hard work doesn't necessarily mean you get promoted i'm like that's true everywhere hard work doesn't necessarily like you can't just expect oh i'm just gonna work hard work hard work hard and that then things are just gonna happen if that if it was i hate to say it if it was that easy and a lot more people do it not everyone do hard work but a lot of people would do it a lot of people would start working hard but you gotta have like i'm sure you've seen comedians along the way that were really hard working they're sitting there they're doing hey i wrote another 19 jokes tonight and you read them and they all suck right so when you get done with this netflix special you're all amped your expectations are so high you show up there's no one there how do you how do you power through that how do you get through that what do you do i don't know i made up with this big thick girl i remember that okay bro can we get some like something a little bit more than thick girls making out okay i mean that's how uh you know i'm sure you've been there dude being from the islands or whatever so yeah man i mean it's like i freaking did it you know i remember yeah well that was the end that was an interesting thing about comedy clubs it comedy club's just a bar it's a bar hook to a stage so it's like then there was always a couple you could always get a couple drinks at the end of the night to kind of satiate yourself and i was never a big drink i'd have maybe two drinks you know but um but after that i don't know i started to get you know i don't know really what happened i just knew that that wasn't it that holly oh somebody wrote an article i remember right when my special came out and it said like uh oh this would be donald trump's favorite comedian or something it was like a negative it was i think it was right around the time maybe when some of that campaigning was started or something and it was and a lot of my stuff is sarcastic like a character also it's me but it's also this it's a a caricature of like where you're from right right right it's a mix really right and that made me really not trust any of like hollywood tabloids any of that kind of [ __ ] so and it just was so debilitating you work so hard and somebody just does something just completely errant and aimless you know um when you watched your own netflix special were you like oh yeah oh were you kind of like damn are you neutral i felt okay about it i felt like i went too fast during the material i felt like i was probably a little nervous and went too fast so i never really looked back on it super fondly but but then at that point things started to evolve and some podcasts and started going from my perspective so i didn't know who i i didn't and this is it's funny because as i was like reading about your background and trying to figure out because i thought you just like everybody thinks i thought oh he just made it famous overnight or whatever that's kind of and i didn't as i researched i was like oh this dude's been doing comedy for like whatever two decades or a long time yeah about 17 years and there was a video it was free connor that little video that you made you know what i'm talking about free code yeah dude with that bus yeah yeah that greyhound dude yeah we just had a greyhound driver on the podcast man because i used to go hound all the time dude i go on there somebody freaking somebody's like you want to see something it's always their dick on there you know what i'm saying bro it's like come on bro so so do you pull his dick out of a hat you know like how do you even get your dick in a hat you know that's supposed to be a rabbit just a lot of freaking [ __ ] magicians man out there bro so i saw that thing and and it just i was dying and laughing i kind of shared it with all my friends because everyone kind of likes mma and here you were talking about you know bust and every and kind of my generation did win on greyhounds right so we kind of knew i don't think a lot i mean in california like no one takes public transit so it's different but across the country man you've been to a greyhound station or you've seen some you know you've seen some [ __ ] man in your life if you've been to grave you've been to a girl yeah dude i saw a lady drinking a can of uh baby formula dude yeah you said that on that video i didn't even know what civil act was i thought it was some kind of drug that's making me think i had to google it man so so you did that uh you go on rogan for the first time and this is what i wanted to say is that when i i think you had like a or you have and still have like uh like a vulnerability and honesty about yourself that i think is really different and i think that that is what makes peop makes people made me the first time i heard you i was like oh yeah he's not he's exposing himself you know not not in the way that your friends do whatever the flashers are that you're hanging out with but exposing yourself so i think that was a huge thing that uh i think p a lot of people connected as soon as they kind of heard you and heard you talking to joe and and freaking joe i mean obviously his his podcast is so massive and and he's such a good guy and you know was telling everyone oh yeah this guy's hilarious i mean i remember he told i think he told me yeah he did he was like well that guy's freaking hilarious you know i was like hey dude have you seen this similac thing or whatever whatever brought it up he's like oh that guy's hilarious so so then you when did you start your podcast i started i did a podcast with a friend for about probably two years that was about more like interviewing people that was in hollywood my friend worked at tmz and we tried a podcast together and it was fun but i didn't get to be myself i had to like it was more interviewing you know and i didn't really like that as much and so then once one day i walked out of rogans and i said i need to do something more like that i didn't know that that's i don't think i knew until i was there and hands on in the environment that that's the way you could do it even by listening i didn't get the concept a hundred percent um and then i walked out i said i need to do something more like that and so i just started then i started one in my kitchen and just started kind of talking about stuff and things that i was thinking about and uh and yeah and it's been yeah it's been a it's been a place sometimes where i share maybe more than i should sometimes and i don't realize it um it's been a lot of different things man um sometimes it's been a blessing because it's the it's like the thing that keeps me going each week it's like a guaranteed thing you know the longest relationship i've had in my life sometimes is with my podcast in a lot of ways it's the one thing that i'll show up for every week even um even on times i noticed like i don't feel good like the past maybe two years i haven't felt really good sometimes i think physically kind of i don't know what it is i'm doing like a lot of blood work and doing all these different therapies and like trying to kind of figure out why i don't feel as good as i used to i physically don't feel good so the hardest thing sometimes is when you don't feel good to go in up into an environment and put yourself out it's like you almost want to hide from people you don't feel you want to wake you feel okay to get out there and like you know so that's been one of the most challenging things is on weeks where i don't really feel that great to put myself out put myself right there it's like you just sometimes you're like man i don't want to see people to see me not at my best especially when the only thing i've always had is my own image how you see me it's like it's it makes it real dicey sometimes but at the same time man i've learned a lot about people through podcasting you know i'm just enamored sometimes the people that come out and the sweet the really nice stories that they share you know and then people will share stuff with me that means something to them sometimes like some guy came up to me this morning at the cafe and said hey man i got five years sober you know and uh and you're just so excited when you see how somebody's life gets different or better and not that i have anything to do with that i don't feel like i do but just that he wants to share that with me and that he feels okay sharing it you know um things like that man it's that's one thing i've learned i think through podcasts and is really a power in connect even though it's not real human connection it's not the hand-to-hand combat of of human connection because we're through microphones and stuff it's been surprising to me how many people connect you know and how many people feel and how much feelings you can get through stuff it's pretty remarkable sometimes so anyway i don't really know what i'm talking about but yeah it's interesting because you were made you know you were joking around earlier about how you know you're sorry not being funny right now on this podcast you're supposed and that's what's interesting about that is you have some pretty serious stuff that you do on your podcast you have some you know you kind of sometimes you open up about stuff and how you're feeling and maybe it's not feeling that good and and again i think that people tune into that because look man if i guess i guess i guess you could try and like fake being funny or fake being in a good mood but i i don't think you can really fake it 100 where people really believe it and i think it's better that you just be who you are and and you know if you've got something if you're not if you feel like freaking depressed or whatever then you're like hey this is what i feel like right now and it makes people comfortable that there's someone like you who's usually funny and it seems to have a pretty good life and all of a sudden they're like hey man this is freaking hard right now for whatever reason whatever that reason might be and you know i i think when people just knowing that someone else is kind of like there with them it's reassuring yeah and and the other thing that's interesting about this is you've been saying this whole time you know that you have a hard time with relationships and long term and all this but how long you've been doing your podcast for for maybe five years so five years and this is the thing about podcast and i have the same thing where i meet people that listen to podcasts and they feel like we have a relationship yeah and they're right right because you don't get you don't you don't i mean my podcast is three four five hours long jesus dude now i see what happened to you yeah you said things probably years ago and there's just not much in there i bet if we tickle you we'll get them out you creep how often do you sit down and talk to anyone for three hours or two hours i walked out of europe and i remember telling them i said hey that's the longest conversation i've ever had in my life with anybody especially with a man you know like i didn't have any male figure i had you know there was no male figures in my neighborhood one guy shot up a ready med 24-hour clinic and that was like the toughest dude we knew you know and he was on pills so he wasn't even really doing it out of his own heart so you know we didn't have a lot of uh so i think yes i've found more probably male influences through podcasting um than anywhere else in my life really which is kind of interesting uh you know um and sometimes uh yeah i don't know podcast and powerful and here's one thing that's neat too jocko is i mostly meet people who i would like to meet anyway it's like the guy that came up to me this morning you know i would like to meet him in you know like he was some people it's like i did some reality television when i was younger you know for a couple years on tv and i wouldn't meet people that i didn't know they didn't know anything about me it's just people that see you and that was just there was nothing to it that meant anything really so to meet people you you they know you somewhat mm-hmm and you so you would have some common ground you know it's really nice almost that's one thing that's interesting man i feel like god has given me this weird way where it's like he he always is trying to show me that people care about me you know because i think for so long i didn't feel like anybody did you know when i was real real young and i'm not complaining you know i'm not complaining about it i'm not i don't need any self-pity i don't need anything like that but i do think it's fascinating how you know he'll send people in every you know every now and then somebody say something just something it's like it's this slow healing of this space inside of me that was just has been uncomfortable for a long time you know and so there's powerful stuff like that going on you know so and and and sometimes i can do that for other people you know i know a friend of mine he's in the military i think his dad had some well i i probably shouldn't talk about maybe talking out of shop but yeah just i don't know i don't know man i'm enjoying being alive these days a lot more because i want to see what else can unfold you know and i don't know if i always felt like that as a kid i felt like more like every day was a battle you know whereas now i'm like man every there's there's a lot of good stuff out there you know and i can be a part of it whether it's for me or somebody else if i can just do my best to take care of myself and keep myself i don't even have to win every day but dude if i can just show up and get a strong thai dog you know what i'm saying if i can even [ __ ] tip a judge fam you know what i'm saying dog and pull out that dirty w dog you know then it's possible and i wish darren till wouldn't have lost honestly no homo bro uh speaking of um fighting what about jiu jitsu where are you at i haven't gone in probably about two and a half months i just kept getting hurt so bad who are you training with man you gotta get find somebody that's gonna be a little bit more relaxed when they train with you oh dude i'm training with locals bro dude and i was one strike white belt man and last time i even left because i couldn't find parking dude so that's kind of where i'm at right now if that's not good [Music] i've been taking a lot of yoga because some of it was my flexibility and uh and i kept getting hurt so bad like for me anyway i couldn't like i needed to do comedy i was getting ready we just taped a netflix special it's coming out in october this one i'm proud about i felt excited um this one is more of a reflection i feel like of just more of a confident me as a comedian you know so what what goes into what goes into that how long does it take to get ready who contacts you like what's happening if i if if echo charles was going to do a netflix special what would it look like how long would it take what would it be and i would bet you know no offense dude you could be from new york but yeah i would probably do yeah something maybe tropical you know maybe some ocean sounds in the back you know maybe get that vietnamese got to go by drinking that cranberry on the skateboard you know i would get it kind of you know maybe slightly urban you know maybe somebody playing you know maybe a dog up near a chain-link fence in the back and then if you can't tell jokes i would sing dude i think he would enjoy that there's something like watching a strong man sing dude it's pretty powerful it's kind of like jewel but for people on steroids you know stood in the rain you're always crazy like that um what'd you ask me man uh netflix special so you got a netflix special coming out so this is the last one maybe you say you didn't feel 100 on this one you feel 100 that's when i feel a lot better what made you feel but what ma how did you prepare for it well one thing i had to stop doing was jiu-jitsu because i kept my ribs kept getting cracked so i it was just i mean dude you couldn't do any yoga so when i don't do physical things to take care of myself i start mentally feeling bad right key point by the way key point for everybody you just heard it from theo if you if you can't do physical stuff you're gonna start feeling bad mentally facts so go do physical stuff yeah i have to and it's not even fair for me anymore to evaluate myself sometimes if i haven't been physically active because i'm not giving myself a fair chance really you know i have to be able to take care of myself i have to be able to be thinking with a brain that's you know healthy so yeah so i noticed that but anyway they gave us a budget and we made um and i wanted to i wanted to do one where i felt like this one is gonna i'm gonna do i'm gonna do right and i got to hire the production production company and i've gotten to go through the editing more and it's been tedious but the the months before it i had a yoga instructor coming to my home every couple of days um i was doing i had a weight trainer i had a weight trainer um i was doing a lot of stuff to take care of myself you know oh and then where'd you dig for the material the material i had had about six years to get some good material the hard part was covered it was so fresh that 2019 the material was ready to go you know it was just like a damn i mean it was really just like a damn newborn like a strong newborn you know what i'm saying one that [ __ ] elbow crawls out you know with a can of freaking go in his arm you know i don't know you know the kind of baby that beats mom home okay like this thing was ready to go this thing was 10 months in the this thing was zygoted baby um and then coveted hits and then covet hits so then you have all this down time so i did move to nashville and bought i bought a home in nashville and because the stage was still open so i could still go and keep this material fresh enough and then i did a couple weeks in la because there's a lot of stage time there about six weeks ago i went there for a few weeks and got it ready and then put it down and put it down in nashville and it was great man like six thousand people came out damn and uh that's massive for comedy isn't it it's pretty good we did three shows of two thousand oh okay yeah right on yeah otherwise it would be too big this venue was just kind of real perfect enough to rhyming over there and um yeah so it was good man and it was good and i involved myself more in the editing you know i've seen a lot of the ropes now i know when i can assert myself and uh sometimes i don't do it that well sometimes i'm too aggressive do they record all the shows the first one was so bad it was like people were heckling we built a set that literally looked like a pedophile's uh like a pedophile that opened a candy shop dude that's how it was okay like was this on purpose no no great question though and you still don't say anything huh okay well you know you could listen at home man okay you're making people uncomfortable i'm just joking bro you seem like a nice guy i'm just i'm just joking because i don't want anything so you make this sense and it looked bad bro yeah i got there i was so angry when i saw the set because i didn't make it somebody i paid somebody to make it what was the goal of the set it was supposed to the back of the ryman has these beautiful windows and um we wanted to make the windows on stage he's colorful kind of church churchy churchy kind of windows and man we didn't do it dude it looked like so did they change it that night it looked like a gingerbread house dude for john wayne gacy it was like as if he had entered a sweet gba gb house contest for he freaking got busted if he did it i'm saying a lot of who if he did it um but it was so bad bro even the next day the guy came we called him was like get these [ __ ] things out of here and i took one of the widows and threw it out of the over the railing outside piece of [ __ ] i mean a kid could have made it look like a kid's school thing so the next night we just went with a flat curtain red curtain and uh and we carpeted the stage which was a little interesting i'd never done that anymore kind of [Music] to take the reflection off of the stage so it'd give us a better lighting out some better lighting opportunities um and then they record them all and they recorded them all yeah and then you depending on which night you did the best you might take a chunk from here in a chunk from there right that's pretty much how you put it together it pretty much about and we just did like two-thirds from one show and one-third from another um the crowd was much better the second night we had to get to tell the people have security you know or just have some control over the audience and people wanted to be helpful you know um and also the uh netflix hit us a couple days before and said everybody has to have a test or a pcr you know or whatever ppcr yeah so that was and i'm just grateful to everybody that came out whether they got a test or made a fake car whatever the hell they did dude and a lot of people went and got the test man and it just it's just so nice you know um it just it just was it's just so nice to go spend an extra half hour the day before you're gonna go to a show to go and do something because you care enough man um yeah well that's awesome uh when does that come out it'll come out in october man and i want to say before i forget man my friend josh colt is in the 5 27 engineer battalion it could be okay work go with it okay he's a commander and he's um they're in kuwait and they're like working in different bases and stuff right now and uh i know he's got a family he's not around i just want to tell him i'm proud of him man and thank uh thank that whole group for their service and uh and thank all you guys who just can't who have to who can't be with your loved ones you know because i know they miss you and uh thank you right on uh the podcast is called this past weekend this past weekend yep we got it's always nice man it's been a blessing and this whole little universe is a blessing and thanks for coming through with those dimes you brought in last night huh that's my wife and daughter bro cause you mentioned because you mentioned you're afraid you've always had a paranoia about getting murdered oh yeah it'll go down right now look man if anything ever happens to you dude i will stay far away from them even then i promise you that no beautiful ladies it was nice to see uh obviously they love you and it was just nice to see a little part of your life man it made me feel it's just inspiring you know when i see other people doing the things that are like seem like the hardest thing for me to do to build for my own future it's like every time you see it like it just it makes things feel a little bit more feasible or that i know if i need help i can ask you or i can ask other people that i know care so it was it was nice i appreciate you coming out well it's definitely feasible it was a great show i appreciate you being out there appreciate you making everyone laugh i can already see we're gonna have to do this again we have a little bit more time yeah i would love to i'm sorry i have to go taking five hours next time but whatever dude i don't know [Laughter] i don't know man but we got i would love to talk more about the stuff and talk more about um other things hopefully i'll have some more uh bjj training when i come back so that would be something nice to talk about awesome man let's get you out of here brother echo thank you nice to meet you brother yeah you too oh you said it huh the you know how you talk you mentioned how like you'll run into people and you'll actually have like a little bit of a connection with them is do you think that like you know how you share stuff openly more than a lot of people i think do you think that that is an indicator that you're doing the right thing um because sometimes like okay so let's say if you're in the public light and people will approach you or whatever i think sometimes they can like misrepresent who you are they're like oh yeah maybe like they feel like they know you you gotta podcast all this stuff and then when they the things they say or or they try to like relate to you or whatever like they're just way off a lot of the time i think not not necessarily sometimes it can be you know but the fact that like a random quote-unquote random stranger can come up to you and then you guys can relate like on a significant like kind of deep level or whatever just so quickly get there that's one thing that's fascinating i mean you could have a moment where you're having a real moment with somebody yeah like a moment that makes you feel something inside of yourself you know uh and that's real that that to me comes from somewhere else yeah it always like you always struck me as someone who's like so authentic and i think that that that is a big indicator that you're doing the right thing if you can really like relate to people who you never met before that quickly yeah thanks man uh yeah i i just i think for feeling so disc it's a lot of it's so new to me feeling connection and so it's [ __ ] like being on a bridge that shakes you know i don't know what you guys call that in you know or we usually call that a bridge that shakes sorry yeah but when you say it sounds way more technical okay it's not like people believe it okay um but yeah for me a lot of that stuff is just i'm a late i'm a late bloomer in a lot of like kind of i think emotional kind of ways honestly uh and i'm not ashamed of it or anything like that you know um but sometimes in a world where you want to be tougher you know it's it's uh it feels it feels tough to sometimes learn later in life um but yeah i think it's nice and sometimes i don't know what role god is using me for you know uh you know and i just want to try and keep myself the best in the best way that i can so he can use me for the best you know like um and i really i really believe that you know and i don't mean it in a way like i'm some kind of hero anything i just you know if i can take care of myself well i believe and i believe this for anybody that he that or you are your higher power it doesn't it could be whatever your higher power is can't use you for good you know uh and we need more good out there and we need each other you know um anyway i sound like a [ __ ] weirdo dog do i sound like a weirdo okay sorry keep being you bro nah man i think i think echo's spot on it's kind of it kind of mimics or or reinforces what i was saying earlier i think the reason that you're popular right now is because you reveal yourself because you're open and i think people you're a real person and i think people connect to that and and i think it's awesome because i think it allows people to connect to themselves so i say keep doing what you're doing theo vaughn i appreciate it man and i appreciate you guys having me man i really do it's good it's making me feel excited like i'm doing the right thing right now bro bang baby and with that mr theovon has left the building he had to go bad planning on my part he had a tight window i should have got him in here earlier didn't didn't make that adjustment so he had to bail um but we're getting back he's fired up to come back seems like we were just kind of getting into uh some good stuff you know so with that it is good that theo is you know he's on the path he's working trying to get better trying to be better trying to stay on the path sober clean fitness what was he talking about yoga like the whole nine yards some self-assessment going on self-assessment happening there was some good stuff in there actually that he just sort of like mentioned yeah and i was like wait wait wait did we we could talk about i didn't want to interrupt obviously but there's uh when he mentioned the the thing about your behavior and your thoughts like your thoughts and actions yeah so your actions lead your thoughts your thoughts yeah yeah the other way around doesn't does i would say if i was to assess that statement i agree your actions can lead to your thoughts i would say more often than your thoughts lead to actions because let's face it gotta have some thoughts to come up with what you're gonna do yeah but there's a huge huge space between having a thought and taking action you can close up that space you need a lot better position yeah and he and it felt like he was talking about something very specific like like basically it's essentially like take action you know yeah yeah rather than just going around in your head and tim ferriss i think yeah tim ferriss said that too where essentially that different way to say it but the exact same thing is like get out of your head and into your body yeah and he meant and tim mentioned that specifically around like getting out of depression but then what theo was saying is if he's not physically moving and doing work physically he's going to be in a bad place mentally so yeah you're right same thing same gig for sure unless there's a lot of stuff yes and you can follow up on the we can follow up on with you and i will be looking forward to that nonetheless in the meantime we're all on this path together i think thanks i feel like it i feel like we're all sorta when we look up we see other people on the path with us good feeling it's a good feeling so i was doing some thinking about the bad these okay so you when you created choco fuel you essentially made the path pretty luxurious because think about when you think about like how it was versus how it is now right yeah okay i mean yes you are right maybe luxurious is not my favorite word no i know you maybe have that lingering in your brain from theo vaughn being on here because he and i had had a conversation on his podcast about luxury days right yeah okay so the the way to put it as far as how you called it one time a couple times is efficiency efficiency yes exactly right like it's kind of like the logistics part of a of a battle or a war or something right where it's like yes oh yeah you want these cool new shoes that comfort your feet or whatever i don't know that's the first example i think of but you're like no it's not that i need to be coddled my feet like my feet are in good shape but i can do a lot more running a lot more rocking you know mm-hmm a lot more marching yep it's insane so you kind of took that approach yeah to the path you'll be more efficient even though technically speaking to support your perspective if you have goods and good boots for rucking they are technically will make you more efficient and in some way that is somewhat luxurious compared to a piece of junk boots that are on bare feet or bare feet even damn but one could think of it in terms of well this is gonna these bare feet is gonna make my feet tougher on the path when you say one could think of it yeah is that cause in high school they're they're telling you you shouldn't use you the proverbial you in a sentence sure yeah i think i got it from fight club actually to be honest what do they say in fight club i think he said on the plane so one could make all types of explosives using ordinary household items and then the other guy said really he's like if one were so inclined so it's like i'm not saying me okay i'm saying me but i'm not saying well it's interesting that's what you got because i went to college and i studied english in college and you you aren't supposed you aren't supposed to say this is you should do this or you should do that you are supposed to say one should say one is supposed to this or what so right right i know to me it's the language evolves yes english evolves and i think we're evolving to a point and i think i evolved to a point where i say you right and i mean you you you yes that's actually okay that's kind of a good point in general because ben you and i said this before where it's it's baffling how good we can communicate but when you think about this all kind this is the words you say the tone by language oh like all this stuff is all conveying a certain message so if you're like hey he goes i'll tell you what you should do is do this and then there's all kinds of like things that you imply when you say you you don't really mean you should do this you mean a person should do this or whatever and i know that but if i don't know that i'll be like tell me what i should you don't know what i should and shouldn't do so there's a i'm you have you specifically echo charles have a really good point and that's why the english language technically in the the highest level you should be i should be saying one should be saying one instead of you so if one i don't even know if i use that right right there out of the gate and jamming it up anyway if you're on the path with you know whether you're with somebody on the path or by yourself or you feel like you're by yourself it's not always going to be easy and to make you more efficient we're going to decrease the beatings increase the recovery so we can maximize gains best way i can put it at this point gains z sure the so modern english okay so in muscle building right you have the catabolic state you just need gains you have the anabolic state right catabolic essentially there's a lot to it but is the breakdown of the muscle rest nutrition induces an anabolic state right we want to upside we want to maximize anabolic state on this path catabolic state is part of the process as well but that trans transition from catabolic to anabolic we want that to be the luxury we want that to be the efficient part of it am i right catabolic no bro anabolic catabolic is bad either way okay there was a funny guy in one of my platoons where when he would get hungry he'd be you know he'd be walking dude we need to go get some food i'm going catapult right now one of those that's why i said it that's really leaked back out all right well either way we got some stuff for you all right so chocolate fuel let's talk about discipline the energy drink new era new era of of energy drinks we no longer have to pay a price for enjoying energy drinks positivity good tasting positive uh gives you the boost mentally and physically positive positive and makes you more healthy positive it's a healthy drink that's you you have something that has no downside no doubt which is kind of crazy normally everything has a trade-off here's no trade-off right just pure upside just pure pure upside kind of like salmon sashimi pure upside pure upside tastes good good for you oh you're better off good freebie yeah yeah the whole side so yes in the can mango okay this is just my opinion okay i'll admit mango is the best one straight up factually fractionally in my opinion yep all right either way um either we're also free joint stuff you you don't want to have to worry about your joints joint warfare super krill oil also vitamin d and cold water is for your immunity so look when you consider that these things are taken care of on this path you are more efficient more healthy more efficient mental physical boosts and as you normally point out these are things you don't want to have to worry about correct right you don't want to be thinking about your joints you don't want to be thinking about getting sick you just you want that stuff to be handled handle it just handle it that's what we're saying yep it's true also speaking of anabolic protein it's part of the nutrition profile of gains as it were so mulk additional protein in the form of a dessert another one of these up win win win scenarios no doubt about that upside tastes good all this 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is full of these little miracles from time to time speaking of miracles origin usa american-made stuff when i say stuff because there's a lot of stuff there's jujitsu stuff all made in america yep jeans gucci compression stuff um originusa.com go there all the stuff on there is american made from the cotton that's grown all the way up until the final product that's a miracle too that's my opinion in this day and age it is a miracle in this day and age it is a miracle to put something on your body that is 100 without compromise made in america and it's the best thing you could possibly buy anyways yeah talk about upside get the best gear support america support american workers is upside across the board yeah we're working on big time upside that's what we're doing no downside yeah speaking of upside so i do have my first pair of delta 68 genes finally realized yeah so here's what that did with the you know you know how like you what do you call when you build something up in your mind and finally when it comes you have this you know it didn't measure up or did it not you have the high expectations yep okay so did it measure up here's the thing it did they do measure up in fact they more than measure up because you know how like you'll say okay they kind of have a stretch tool cool they have a stretch to them but when i since i don't really have any stretchy jeans or any jeans with a stretch to them i don't really know what that even means when i put them on you know but it's nice it's good it's like in fact it's hard to go back now oh there's no going back it's i'm saying yeah so yeah dang impressive i didn't know so much could go into g i knew stuff goes into genes i understand what's weird is it's hard to understand how much better something could be yes it's hard to imagine if you don't know you just don't know you just hard to imagine how much better they can be than a normal pair of jeans yeah and again to be made in america with american cotton and american buttons yep american hands as american hands exactly right so yes orange usa.com that's the spot right there also jock with the store it's called jacko's store so you go to jugglestore.com and this is where you can get i'm trying to think of a more interesting way to to properly convey the cool stuff you can get but at the end of the day you can just get your t-shirts hats hoodies that represent the path i think that's the best way to put it just plain equals freedom good take the high ground or the high ground we'll take you some good stuff that's a t-shirt get away here's what you're saying yes sir hey subscribe to this podcast and we also have some other podcasts got jocko unraveling with daryl cooper we got the grounded podcast we got the warrior kid podcast theo vaughn has a podcast check it out it's called this past weekend and he talks about stuff and it's both funny and revealing and could help you yeah i like listening to it so check that one out we're um me and carrie were talking during the break where theo has this it's pretty unique quality about him where he's like funny but he's so authentic and open about the even not so funny parts of you know and i think some people they'll try to do this and they'll try to like quote unquote pull it off but they lack the full authenticity so they try and pull off the authenticity yes and which is kind of what they call a catch 22. like if you're trying to pull off authenticity that's not in and of itself makes it exactly right but theo is like a naturally well it seems natural like he's a naturally authentic person it sounds like from what you're saying though he wasn't always like that and he had to sort of open up about it over time okay so and this is what we're talking about where a lot of times where if you have the being funny to people legitimately is it's kind of like a superpower like you can essentially bestow one of the best feelings onto a person and make them laugh right that's one of the best feelings you can ever have is like laughing legitimately and you have that as a superpower you're just a funny person right so a lot of people um whether they have like internal issues or not that starts to become the front-running quality where they're always pushing that forward you know they're always leading with that leading with that and it's always successful meanwhile the other stuff on the inside gets protected you know so anytime someone feels awkward or any time someone feels vulnerable even scared or whatever anything that they don't like they can just boom they can bust out the comedy and they'll be protected in fact they'll get a payoff from it they won't just be protected you know but after a while the stuff on the inside becomes more and more sensitive you know where if it even if it's exposed this much it's like whoa the reaction is a little bit a lot stronger you know but theo does a good job in like opening up and exposing that a little bit and at the end of the day as an audience well if i'm speaking for myself it's kind of like you just like him more yeah no he's a very likable guy and he part of the reason that he's likable is because he is like that like what you're saying and he i even the last night i went and saw him do his do a comedy stand-up routine is that what it's called well i saw him do it and and what's cool is like you could see he's not um like he's he's real up there like he's saying something he'd be like i don't even know why i'm saying you know what he's like i don't know why i'm saying this he died a couple times today and he said i don't even know what i'm talking about right now he did that a couple times like okay well at least we know that we're getting the real a real person yeah it's not just a big memorized script that you know where it's all a big uh front yeah right we don't want the front yeah like a lot of times if you're just talking with your friend and you go off on some tangent or something that's the kind of stuff you're going to say to your friend you know or your friends behind closed doors you know just like in your own little environment but ah shoot sometimes i don't know what i'm talking about you know but he's like so open with that and i don't mean open like he's like making this huge effort to be open he's just naturally he is like yes he's a good good guy man i've spent some time with him and uh definitely a really good authentic nice funny guy man i really like him a lot i'm glad he was able to come on uh you know another podcast that there is out there it's called jockowunderground.com this is the one where in the event of [Music] contingencies happening where the world goes crazy er because let's face it the world's getting a little crazy right now let's say it gets crazy er and they either start i don't know maybe they start injecting advertisements into the middle of this podcast or they start maybe they start banning parts of this podcast i don't know what they're going to 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want to be we got a youtube channel too by the way it's true verified by the way for the video version of this podcast you want to see what theo looks like if you don't know i think a lot of us already know but if you don't know boom you can see that um video podcast is increasingly becoming kind of the way to to you know to watch listen to the podcast so yeah we have a youtube channel for that it's called jaco podcast this is the name of the youtube channel correct correct and origin usa also has one if you want to see what's going on behind the scenes up there i also have an album believe it or not it's almost like i made an album you made it yep we made it collectively you kind of made it though i just talked yes anyways if you want to get through maybe a temporary moment of weakness you can press play on your mp3 player of choice you can listen to psychological warfare give you a little boost give a little help getting through that thing that's true it's also a good way to support 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freaking.net thing that you've never heard of but there's like generic too there's some that you've heard of like that that sell these various t-shirts and posters and whatnot yeah the only jocko shirts official the only place you can get them is jacqueline's tour dot com i can't think of one single other place you can get them oh if you come into victory emma man fitness you get one here too that's true uh so so check that out and if you want something to hang on your wall like a like a picture poster dakota meyer this is his company man flipsidecampus.com go check that out hang some cool stuff on your wall books got a bunch of books final spin i don't know what to tell you we're not even sure i'm not even sure you know you know you you put something out there in the world you don't know what their reaction the reaction of the world's gonna be might be good might be bad so far we're doing pretty good deb sure dad she's she was she was moved let's put it to you that way final spin i got that book coming out leadership strategy and tactics field manual the code the evaluation protocol display equals freedom field manual weigh the warrior kid one two three and four get the book for the kids that you know just get him on the path mikey and the dragons if there's a little kid you know get them that book about faced by hackworth i wrote the forward on the new version and extreme ownership and the dichotomy of leadership that i wrote with my brother leif babin we also have echelon front it's a leadership consultancy and we solve problems through leadership go to echelonfront.com for details on that you can also come to one of our live events we have the muster we have field training exercise we have ef battlefield the next muster is in las vegas it's october 28th and 29th so if you want to come check that out we will see you there we also have an online training situation extreme ownership academy online leaders of course we just we just recorded a bunch of new leadership courses so check that out it's like going to the gym man you don't get good you don't get in shape one day in the gym you don't become a good leader one book that you read you gotta go to the gym extremeownership.com come check out the leadership gym and if you wanna help service members active and retired their families gold star families check out mark lee's mom mama lee she's got a charity organization and if you want to donate or you want to get involved to what she is doing to help out then go to america's mightywarriors.org and if you want more of my dreary divulging or you need more of echoes extraneous assertions you can find us on the interwebs on twitter on the gram on facebook echoes echo charles i am at choco willing and theo vaughn well he is at theo vaughn and thanks to theo vaughn for coming on the show thanks for making us all laugh there's plenty of darkness in the world and i know sometimes he shares some of that darkness but in doing so he brings some light and laughter as well so thank you theo vaughn and to all the folks out there in the army navy air force marines that are right now right now while we're sitting in this air-conditioned podcast thing there there are folks right now out protecting our way of life and we thank you for it we could not do what we do without you doing what you do and the same goes for police and law enforcement firefighters paramedics emts dispatchers correctional officers border patrol secret service and all first responders you protect us here at home and again we couldn't do what we do without you doing your jobs every day so thanks to you all as well and thanks to everyone else that's listening and listen we got struggles in life we got him and it can be a scrap it can be a fight it can be painful and it can be a battle but the battle will be a little easier if you have some fun so when you can don't take it all too seriously crack a joke have a laugh and then go out and do what you need to do which is of course continue to get after it and until next time zekko and jocko out

Channel: Jocko Podcast

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Keywords: jocko willink, podcast, discipline, defcor, fredom, leadership, extreme ownership, author, navy seal, usa, military, echelon front, dichotomy of leadership, jiu jitsu, bjj, mma, jocko, victory, echo charles, flixpoint

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Length: 112min 0sec (6720 seconds)

Published: Thu Sep 16 2021