'Is This In Fact A Bioweapon?': Roger Marshall Grills Doctor About COVID-19 Origins

thank you Senator Johnson Senator Marshall you recognized for your questions thank you Mr chairman I think it's first of all it's important to remember why we're here today we're here today because we don't want to have another pandemic like this I think it's important that we recognize that a million Americans have lost a loved one and they're still looking for closure we have 15 million Americans with long covid and perhaps if we knew the origin of Co and the development maybe that would give us a clue how how to treat us um I want to start with Dr Quay and go back to the diffuse grant for just a second uh this is a grant by Eco health and Peter dassk recall that Peter dassk is David Moran's BFF um and that Grant was denied but yet it lays out a framework for the development of of covid-19 and you went through six or seven several reasons that are absolutely consistent that they said they would do X and they did X and what are the chances of all those things ending up in a covid virus yeah well again just as a reminder so they they said they were going to go to a particular spot in southern China uh to get a virus they were going to make sure that it had diversity from SARS Juan of about 25% they were going to put it into uh humanized mice to enhance its ability to recognize the receptor binding domain they're going to fear in cleavage site in a very particular spot you know out of 13,000 letters in the spike protein they said in the grant they were going to put it at a spot called the S1 S2 Junction they they they said uh and so all of those were found in SARS K2 it's nearest neighbor is from the same area it's it has a 99% binding affinity for the for the human receptor SARS one jumped into humans it only had 15% of the epidemic changes it needed to become epidemic think the chances of all six or seven I've Quantified it because I like statistics and it's one in 1.2 billion so a one in a billion chance all that comes to fruition there were some comments on that Grant in the margin so Dr baric North Carolina developed the technology for the the protein Spike he taught Dr shei he gave them humanized Mist again this was all funded with usaid grant grant money as well what were some of the comments in the margin you think that are significant well this is important because the the the PO the folks told DARPA we're going to do this research in North Carolina under very high safety conditions in the grant that's what they wrote the marginal comments and drafts that were only obtained through foas said a different thing dassk said hey we're gonna we're going to shift this over to Wuhan because it'll be cheaper faster uh we'll get a lot more done that way baric says boy if us scientists knew this was going on they would think this is crazy this is in the marginal com so they in a way they weren't truthful with DARPA in the gr so Dr baric you you along with Dr FY are the father of gain of function fun knew that that other scientists in America would have a fit if this was being done here yeah and again so fast forward to January 2020 these two science scientists daic and baric sitting down with the sequence of SARS kov 2 and a computer would know within one hour this thing has all the features of what we proposed in that Grant and the fact they either didn't tell anybody or the people they told didn't do anything about it meant that they that human to human transmission was not a we were not aware of that and asymptomatic transmission we were not aware of this is the first new respiratory virus that's asymptomatic great let's come back I'm going to use that and come back to that point in in just a second you know we went through what I call the smoking guns that really show Beyond a reasonable doubt that this virus was made in a laboratory move on China it was synthetic uh you know everywhere from the geography of where it shows up for the first time to U the fact that there was virus already spread to multiple continents by the time the wet Market break occurs they never have found the intermediate spe species with SARS and Ms it took months to find an intermediate species anyone that says the raccoon dog is the intermediate species is just laughable science uh no progenitor viruses um and the timeline they were developing a vaccine already November 2019 Dr she has taken down the DNA lab banks in September 2019 she takes down another the lab bank here in this country I maybe March of the next year as well but of all the smoking guns and this is the hardest to explain to people is just the the genetic makeup of this virus and you pointed out the protein Spike the protein Spike alone be like a person that the protein Spike that fits into a lung cell would be like the chances of a person walking in the room with a key that fits the lock on those doors I mean it was a perfect protein Spike you mentioned the fur and cleavage site there's other spots but I wanted to talk about the orf8 site for just a second uh Dr qu what's the significance of this o rf8 site so orfade is a protein that's down near the right hand side of the of the virus U it is not in the final virus it is secreted into the bloodstream and it does two things uh early in the infection it it blocks interferon expression so you don't you don't sweat you don't have a fever you don't show the symptoms of an infection and later in the infection it blocks what's called antigen MHC presentation so we learned from HIV that a virus that can block the ability of pieces of the virus to be presented to the immune system is a virus that is very hard to make antibodies against very hard to fight against it uh two Master's thesis uh during 2015 that have only been published in Chinese no papers came from it at the W ins of rology it created a synthetic cloning system for ORF a so gain of function research around things that make viruses asymptomatic and things that that make them not be able to make antibodies to are are Beyond The Pale of what what uh you know Dr ebite has said in terms of the civilian use good Dr qu so really this or of8 is a synthetic link sequence never found in nature and they place it in here right they place this link in here for the purposes of the two cardinal sins the cardinal sin of asymptomatic uh virus and then transmission with without that symptom as well and the inability to make an immune response I mean that's the cardinal sins of gain of function research what what purpose would there be if you're wanting to develop vaccines as there any civilian purpose or is this in fact a bioweapon I can't say it's a bioweapon because that's in the mind of the person that made it but but it is it is highly unusual highly synthetic they were doing synthetic biology around it and its two functions are quite remarkable with respect to uh what kind of research you would do in the civilian World Dr abber is there a possibility that it could have been a dual purpose that there could have been used as a bioweapon so the original SARS virus SARS kov1 yeah is a tier one select agent in the United States so it is in the group of pathogens and biological toxins that our federal government has identified as having high potential for use as a bioweapon in biowarfare biot terrorism or biocrime it by definition therefore according to our federal government is a bioweapon agent it is not a bioweapon but it is an agent that potentially could be used is there any good use any good reason to put this in the vi in the virus if you're developing a vaccine I would return to my general comment on gain of function research on potential pandemic pathogens that research has no civilian practical application researchers undertake it because it is fast it is easy it requires no specialized equipment or skills and it was prioritized for funding and has been prioritized for publication by scientific journals these are major incentives to researchers worldwide in China and in the US the researchers undertake This research because it's easy they get the money and they can get the papers Senator Marshall Senator Scott you recognize for your questions first I want to thank the chair and the raike member for ho hosting this hearing um we she did this a lot I think we there's a lot that we still need to learn

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Published: Wed Jun 19 2024