Intel 13th Gen K series & DDR5 overclocking insights and demos

in this stream we're going to be definitely diving into essentially all things about overclocking for 13th gen series based processors so while our demo system is going to be utilizing the 3900k the overclocking insights are going to definitely be applicable to the 13700k to the 13600k and actually to a degree even if you were attempt to run these CPUs on z690 you'll still essentially have kind of these insights now one of the cool new features that we also will be demoing specifically the new Dynamic OC switcher technology but for cache is going to be right now on z790 so just keep that in mind but we're going to be talking about overclocking for the CPU we're going to be talking about a little bit of cash based overclocking some general overclocking insights that you're going to want to keep in mind and then we'll also do a new ddr5 7200 Mt XMP based demo just to be able to show you the impressive range that we have for this generation when it comes to the overall IMC or the integrated memory controller so some pretty sweet stuff so overall looks like we've got quite a number of people joining us here for the stream we've got Black Chaos we got Pidgey PCS we've got smt Productions uh we've got uh Bain joining us of course zoom in uh Derek and uh quite a number of other people so thanks so much for joining us here on the stream so uh looks like somebody's already got the 3900k but no z790 Apex yes the Apex is a fantastic board it'll be coming in the not too distant future if you're definitely interested in overclocking then that's going to definitely be a board for you the board that we will be using will be the um Maximus z790 hero but overall the overclocking expectations should be pretty similar between a wide number of the motherboards the only difference is that not all of our motherboards will feature Asus aioc so let's get ready to go ahead and just jump straight into it alright guys uh Louis we will be talking about actually running four dim configurations but if you haven't actually watched our ddr5 insights video which helps you better understand that actually there is no 4-dim XMP that exists for ddr5 because there are no four dim kits that is a really good primer that you want to start off with but we will be talking actually about better understanding uh of course one DPC one spc-based configurations are essentially two dims versus four dimms and if you are looking to run four-dim configurations there is actually even better scaling performance but it's an actual misconception in terms of saying that you would want to run for dim XMP because there are no 4-dim XMP kits so really what you're trying to actually find out is what is the type of scaling performance that you might have in a mix configuration of memory when you're running two dims essentially two dims per channel two slot per Channel or essentially four dim configuration okay so let's get ready to go ahead and jump into this guys and if you have any questions feel free go ahead and drop them in the chat I'll do my best to go ahead and cover them uh if everybody also I don't remember whatever I set the volume levels to on this guy so if you can let me know if the volume levels sound good that would be great all right so um we're just gonna go with a little bit of a kind of just basic primer right here before we get into it we're not going to spend too much time on this because I think probably for most of you you're probably pretty much aware of this but what is overclocking in short we're essentially looking to be able to take the performance of different parts right so that could either be your CPU it could be your dram it could be the cache that's on the memory essentially different uh different frequencies that are essentially uh for those different components and looking to move them beyond their base frequency right so if we go ahead and let's just bring up um the chart that we have for specifications from yesterday if you guys didn't kind of check out our stream that we did yesterday where we highlighted kind of z790 the CPUs and kind of the product stack and everything along those lines then this might be a little bit news for you but essentially right here we can see that if we take a look at something like a 3900k uh it course has a up to five gigahertz frequency right to 5.8 gigahertz now that's going to be with thermal velocity boost right that's going to be in the best case scenario pretty much limited to one thread right um of course when you're in an all core thread you would also have a different frequency but essentially overclocking just means that we would be targeting a higher frequency than this so already a little bit of a spoiler I can tell you that right now it is going to be realistic to see six gigahertz plus based overclocking on 13th gen Siri parts so this is really exciting it's the first time that we're entering into the space to actually be able to see six gigahertz overclocking in real world cooling configurations on a mainstream desktop platform so this is pretty awesome to be able to have essentially this level of performance available to you in terms of Performance Tuning so pretty cool when we talk about that so again and nothing too complex essentially all we're looking to do is be able to take the performance envelope for whatever parameter we're looking to tune so again this could be the CPU frequency we can overclock that if we talk about the dram frequency we can also overclock that right if we wanted to overclock the cache we can overclock that and also keep in mind that for Alder Lake when it introduced of course the e-core and the p-core you can actually overclock the e-cores and you can overclock the P cores and there are certain other relationships that you want to keep in mind that depending on how you actually Define the operating parameters for your e-cores they can actually influence the p-course right so um you know we'll spend a little bit more time to hopefully get into this and help you better understand this but we just wanted to go from that basis of what is it right it's essentially just taking the operating parameters and driving them further and for a baseline again for those that are interested in the ddr5 specification remember to keep in mind that the ddr5 specification has been improved this gen right so we've gone ahead and moved up from the Baseline of 4 800 megatransfers to as we see right here 5600 Mega transfers but again spoiler just like talked about six gigahertz overclocking being a reality for 13 gen series processors the new normal for most 13 gen series CPUs is going to probably be upwards of 7000 Mt especially when we're talking about two dim configurations this is absolutely a monstrous when we talk about the level of overclocking capability that Raptor lake is bringing to the table when it not only comes uh turns impressive clock speeds for the CPU but really impressive clock speeds when we talk about the dram Okay so hey Erica happy Friday thanks for joining us uh Hey Miguel also fantastic thanks for joining us here so uh very very cool to have you here oh hey The Poets thanks for joining us man fantastic so we got a water cooling Enthusiast there so definitely we know that we've got uh of course overclocking in mind when we're looking at somebody like him all right so um what are a couple of things to keep in mind before we get into the overclocking pieces of course um you know some of this is going to be pretty straightforward the most important thing I'm really going to say is that of course you want to make sure to have a performance Baseline and so I'm going to bring up a moment here a little bit of what I call my overclocking insights and these are going to be specific to 13 Chen but you want to first and foremost create a baseline the Baseline is going to be representative of performance power and temperatures and so that what means is essentially is that once you get your system up and running with full UEFI defaults you want to go ahead and run you know General stress tests you could use an application like occt you could use cinebench you could use geekbench you want to use a few different programs and you want to be able to go ahead and track your temperatures and we'll jump into the desktop environment to kind of show you how you would kind of go about this process but you want to create your Baseline and this is important to just be able to make sure that you can have a measurement right to see where you're going to be increasing whether it's going to be increasing your thermals increasing your power consumption as well as hopefully increasing your performance and your clock speeds right because if you don't have a Baseline and you start to make changes and you don't have anything to compare and contrast it can be a lot more complicated to really know if you're actually really seeing an improvement right so that is just something to keep in mind so let me go ahead and bring up some of the insights that we're going to be jumping into here give me one second all right and I'm going to go ahead and bring these up here perfect all right so let's go ahead and kind of break some of these down here all right so here are kind of some of the overall insights you want to keep in mind when we're talking about overclocking 13th gen right and this is applicable of course the Z uh 790 but of course the overclocking experience is going to be pretty similar between z690 and z790 z790 does have a little bit more of an optimized signal Integrity designed especially for higher frequency in terms of dram this is going to be a little bit more in the margin cases in terms of just supporting some higher kind of frequencies but the overall experience should be pretty comparable to the two whether you're talking about dram or whether you're talking about the CPU but there's a little bit of kind of optimization that we've done in terms of z790 just because of course you can take lessons learned fine tune that and maximize scaling performance right but that being noted six gigahertz is possible so that's really one of the big things many of the CPUs we're going to be seeing essentially between about six to about 6.2 gigahertz available to you when you talk about one to two cores so especially because lightly threaded applications especially games can benefit from frequency this means that we can help to really push beyond that base Target that Intel is offering at 5.8 the 5.8 is also a little bit conservative in terms of how it ends up effectively being reached because there are stores a course certain parameters that are consistently tracked that Define how the actual CPU is going to be boosting right and so when we overclock we can essentially help to increase some of the parameters that allow essentially for the frequency to be more consistently boosting to higher values so not just across one to two threads or one to two cores but across more threads more coarse right so this also means that as a whole we can have a little bit more of an uplift an example of this is the Baseline kind of default parameters for Intel we generally have about all your cores Under full load be about 5.3 gigahertz but once you overclock them we can easily uplift that you know to 5.5 5.6 5.7 gigahertz across all those scores and then of course as we move into a more per core overclocking model so per core meaning that as we go from kind of a broader set of cores to a smaller set of cores to maybe one or two cores right we can keep bumping up the frequency and this is important because a lot of people will sometimes do what's called a static overclock or an all core of a clock this is a really limited way to overclock your system because you're going to leave frequency on the floor and we don't want to do that we want to really maximize the overclocking Headroom that the CPU has and so per core overclocking is the best option to allow us to kind of get the best of both worlds where we can happen all core based overclock but we can also take advantage of the lightly threaded overclocking Headroom that's available to us right so again six to six point two gigahertz on the course keep in mind that there is a difference in terms of the loading so light loading versus heavy loading if you're talking about heavier loading applications then you're going to bring that frequency down it's not going to be as aggressive it's not going to be as high so if you're somebody that's more in a professional workflow and of course you're heavily hitting that then that's not going to be realistic but if we're talking again about I'd say normal desktop usage in gaming these type of frequencies will be possible okay e-course they can be overclocked and we're going to be talking about frequencies you know between about 4.5 to about 4.7 gigahertz now keep in mind that the numbers that I'm giving here this is a general kind of uh range right there is still something that is called the Silicon Lottery um you know so I call it personally silicon variants it just essentially means that every CPU has a different level of margin within it but as a whole we generally have a rough guesstimate to know to a degree you know what's the overall kind of realistic average that we can see at least for a majority this doesn't mean all CPUs you may have a CPU that may not be able to hit some of these targets and it might be a little bit lower right it might might be a little bit of a hotter CPU it might have a CPU that runs at a little bit of a lower frequency and can't hit some of these values but generally these are going to be in a lot of cases going to be achievable targets and I would probably say that's at least you know probably upwards of you know 70 75 percent of cases you're probably going to be looking at this similarly again you keep in mind that light loading versus heavy loading is going to be a factor right another factor is I'm sure that you guys have seen maybe some of the media reports as far as the temperatures these systems can definitely consume you know 300 watts over 300 watts right that means that it can be a lot in terms of thermals but the reality is again from a thermal perspective you can definitely cool these systems with normal cooling solutions so you don't need to go custom water cooling you don't even need to have a 360 radiator AIO solution like what we've got here with the ryogen 2 or what I'm going to be using which is our new ryu3 which is featuring an 8th gen ASA Tech pump you don't have to use that if you've got a 240 millimeter 280 millimeter AIO you can still overclock and still have very good temperatures but you have to keep in mind your workflow your usage if you're talking about no more desktop use and gaming you're going to be entirely fine but if you find yourself that maybe you're really consistently heavily using uh you know a 3D rendering application heavy compute applications um you know applications that are heavily doing decompression you're probably not somebody that's focusing on overclocking because overclocking can of course lead to instability it consumes a lot more power produces more heat so you're probably just going to look to get the best performance that you can from stock so maybe you'll still take advantage of dram overclocking because that won't really overclock excuse me that won't really influence your CPU temperatures but it's still a factor right all right um the IMC sorry a little bit of a mistype right there um but the IMC has improved and so 7000 Mt is kind of the new OC normal especially when we're talking about two due to configurations so if you guys haven't checked out the PC DIY group we have a great Community post that I have that's called ddr5 insights and it helps you understand that actually the vast majority of CPUs we're generally able to achieve about 6 000 to upwards of about almost 6400 Mt and so that was going to generally be in a one SPC one DPC or essentially a two-dim configuration that would still be applicable on four dim based motherboards but now we're seeing that jump up considerably that 7000 is fairly conservative we expect the majority of CPUs to be able to Target in this and actually a pretty good amount of them are going to even be better than that where you're going to start seeing 72 7400 7600 right I would probably say that Max is out probably around 7 200 um from there better quality imcs so smaller percentage and definitely not all and very similar to condom like 12th gen where we saw a cut off that after about 66200 as you got into about 64 to 66 you started to see what we call a kind of breaking point where there was definitely some imc's that could not run at those XMP dividers right and that's not a fault of the motherboard it's not a fault of the MRC it's just a limitation of the memory controller you're talking about a big overclock jump right from that like 4 800 all the way to 66 but here we're going to see that now that breaking point is going to be closer to be between about 74 to about 78 100 yeah 7 800 Mega transfers that's pretty crazy that we're going to be talking under air cool configurations you could be looking at 74 to 7 800 Mega transfer overclocking for a very good IMC that's not going to be the standard for the standard though many users will be able to realistically look at um you know 7000 Mt Plus in terms of that okay so pretty sweet um and then the last thing is that maximum performance is not just about overclocking the CPU you're going to be looking at really wanting to maximize multiple parts of the platform you want to be able to maybe overclock the CPU you want to overclock the cache you want to overclock your e-course so e-cores and P cores and also you want to overclock your dram so all of those can be overclocked and they all influence the overall OC experience right so that's just some of our initial kind of primers that we have in some of some of the insects of course we've got our demo system I'm going to get it up here in a little bit we'll walk through that but we've gone through quite a bit here so I do want to quickly just take a look here and see if we have any kind of questions from the community on some of these points before we get into this sort of stuff so let's just see here if we have anything okay so Tech says I'm running a 6600 uh just now on z690 which posts at 7 000 yes so there's a big difference between a course posting and booting right so realistically I would already say that if you're running 6600 your IMC is already higher than the norm um most users they have what I would refer to as an anecdotal kind of type of value proposition in terms of how they value whether or not their IMC is good or not because they just don't test that many CPUs right internally we can test hundreds of CPU samples so we have a much better kind of data set to really kind of know where the margins are at but you know that is pretty cool if you've got 6600 that's quite impressive in terms of the overall memory controller that you're running but like I said the big thing here is that we're going to be seeing a much nicer uplift in terms of consistency the consistency of users will can be far better here at being able to not only just hit the entirety of almost about the 6000 Mt range right which in itself is really impressive but actually then move into 7000 right um so can Ken k says hey how you doing um so um champ uh A320 is asking what's the max speed of Ram with the BIOS 2103 on a z690 can you run 7200 like you can on z790 motherboards that's going to not be really influenced that much by the motherboard um although like I said the signal Integrity is a little bit better on z790 so it's been tuned a little bit more tightly right um to be able to be superior it's going to be more influenced by the IMC so we're still doing some final follow-up analysis to kind of take Raptor Lake and put it on a z690 series motherboards you should expect to see an uplift in terms of the scaling support so if take for instance you had a z690 series motherboard and you saw that wall where maybe you had like well right now there's very few I don't even think there's any Mass majority Market kits right now that are in that 7200 Kit that you can easily purchase but once they'll start to kind of come into the market right if you were to drop that on there with 12th gen it's mostly it's pretty much not going to post it's not going to boot you're not going to have stability right but if you're with a drop in Raptor Lake you have a high probability that you're going to be able to see a a better experience right so that's that let's see Felix is saying well to be 128 gigabytes 7600 uh Mt ddr5 kits you know that's TBD right now I wouldn't expect it because of course a lot of the tuning is really focused within the traditional density so that's going to be you know your 32 gigabyte and 64 gigabyte kits and anything that's really going to be over 7000 Mt really is going to be focusing probably on 32 gigabytes and then like I said there'll be a small kind of selected level of bidding that happens for 64. 128 because you're also at this time in the future we'll be will be able to get to two dimms that are running 128 gigabytes in ddr5 but realistically I'm going to say for 128 gigabyte configurations you're probably going to be looking at 5600 Mt being kind of the normal there will be even a little bit better experience than that that's already an improvement compared to z690 and 12th gen 12th gen with 128 gigabyte configurations you are generally going to be looking at a closer value of probably somewhere between about 48 to about 5200 so there is a little bit of an uplift but keep in mine I don't have the poor table right here up in front of me for um for excuse me for 13th gen but for reference why you need to understand this right is this if you take a look at the Intel dram table right you can see right here that when you go to essentially such high densities like 120 gigabytes the default speeds that are supported are going to go down so you can see as an example like on 12th gen 4800 was supported in those 1spc one DPC one rank two rank configurations right but as you got to either higher ranks or essentially more dense configurations like four dimms you're dropping down to 44 you're dropping down to four thousand you're dropping down to 36. so you have to keep in mind that already that bump from going from like 36 all the way to 48 or 5000 or even 52 that's actually quite a bit of a jump especially it's more more strenuous to the IMC when you're doing it with a very high density configuration okay all right um so let's go ahead and see right there um somebody's asking Kingston uh 6400 yeah 6400 would be no problem on Raptor Lake that's easy easy easy peasy no problem all right uh will we ever see four dim kits uh that's really up to the memory manufacturers right now there's not really any point to making them to be honest there's just there's not a lot of value especially for gamers right the only people that need four dim kits are going to be professionals people that actually require high density and those users like I said they generally don't usually try to focus on overclocking because you're introducing instability you're shortening lifespan you could even be affecting of course warranty right so the reality is that for those users they prefer stability so if you were to see 128 gigabyte kits or native four dim kits my expectation is one is they're going to be lower but then also they're going to be really focused towards a different type of the market now really kind of the general Enthusiast enthusiasts it's all about performance right and so I think in that regard the two dim configurations like they've always been for ddr4 for DDR3 it's always going to be better okay all right um Jesse any other quick questions before we get to the next point if not we're going to keep moving things along there Martin's asking about uh estimated delete release date for the pro art and the not too distant future I don't have any specifics yet probably going to be in November some time frame if you're part of our pcdiy group you'll get the notification to let you know essentially when we will be essentially releasing it to the channel okay so let's go ahead and quickly get a recap here of just some of the last points before I go ahead and throw up my test bed if you guys got more questions feel free to go ahead and drop them and we're gonna get ready to start doing some overclocking and kind of run through some of this stuff right so um as we're going into this right so again CPU dram OC insights and an important part when we go into overclocking is ideally you want to approach overclocking with an asynchronous mentality and what I mean by that is some users will overclock the CPU overclock the dram and overclock the cache like all at the same time and then something crashes and they blame it on one or the other they don't know what's going on and they get frustrated or they say something is an issue and it might not really be an issue but you have no idea because you've overclocked them all at the same time it makes no sense you really always want to pursue what is referred to as an asynchronous overclocking methodology so that means ideally you want to overclock your CPU independently first you then want to see what that maximum head Headroom is right you then want to overclock your dram independently that means leaving your CPU generally at stock and then even your cash if you're attempting to overclock the cash you want to overclock the cache just by itself and see how it responds and the main reason why you do this is to find out kind of what the peak Headroom for each one of those is right once you understand what those maximums are once you begin to kind of combine the permutations of the overclocking parameters together you'll actually find that a lot of times because it can be quite strenuous for the CPU to run those all at one time some of those values are going to come down so in examples let's say maybe my IMC can run like 7600 Mt okay and my CPU can run like 6.2 gigahertz right but when I bring them both together maybe that value is going to come down a little bit maybe it's going to be closer to like 70 400 or 7200 in the memory and it's going to be 6.1 on the CPU so this is important because you first just want to want to ascertain your maximums right once you ascertain your maximums then you want to start kind of bringing them together and even bringing them together ideally CPU first dram next and then from there your cache is going to be last cash is really kind of that last resort because it's quite sensitive especially with the way that it works within e-course you generally don't have to do it but there's a cool feature that will show you that allows you to kind of even get more performance if you want to take advantage of it in this generation which we call our Dynamic cache switching technology which we have as part of our options inside the ubfi okay all right so that gives you some overall baselines there all right so let's go ahead and get ready to start here on our overclocking all right let me see a quick question right here uh Kalyn is asking can you remap the flex key button for power on no you cannot part of this is because there are some specific limitations in terms of the way that the um controller that works with that functionality works right it's something that maybe we could discuss with our team but as at this stage no uh the options that are available to you are essentially already present within UEFI in terms of what you can set the actual Flex key functionality for but right now you cannot use it as a power off and on function but I definitely understand the value add it's actually something that we've already discussed internally with our team because I know that kind of when people set up a small form factor system they might have it maybe over a little bit off and then if you have the hive right there it would be cool to just be able to kind of touch the button right there as opposed to having to maybe reach all the way over to your system and then click a button or something like that right so trust me I get it it is something that kind of we're evaluating looking at and it's very similar to the knob function on the hive that allows you to adjust the volume we're also looking at that to potentially be able to control fans right so if we make any of these adjustments we'll definitely detail them in the pcdi group we'll talk about them in our weekly stream and they'll be issued most likely with a firmware update a UEFI bios update so as always just make sure sure to keep in mind you know if you're checking this out either in the group or the weekly streams you'll find out about those updates okay all right somebody's asking about the ryu3 I'm gonna be busting it out in a little bit right here because that's on my test bed uh let me go ahead and take one more question before I start pulling some of this stuff out right here so give me a second right here um Tracy Fox is saying as I just received my z790 hero thank you for being team Rog and T maximum so the mail looks great do you know if they're going to be any monoblocks coming out from Ek I can't tell you that for certain I would say reach out to you know uh EK we have both uh EK representatives and our pcdiy group um you can reach out to them Jake and Attila are both part of our group so they can definitely help to respond to that my expectation would be yes almost always Partners to produce monoblocks for the hero because it's pretty much the most popular Enthusiast board that's out there on the market so it's very common to see monoblocks you don't need a monoblock I know it looks really cool but the reality is you don't need it because the vrm runs super efficient and the heatsinks are very high performance so from a thermal perspective there's zero really value to kind of um put a monoblock on there but I know a lot of people like the mono black just because it looks really cool right all right um see any last question right there uh Simon is there any difference between the z790 hero uh and the z690 hero there actually are a couple little differences uh they're not dramatic um I will go ahead and actually answer that a little bit later if I can because I want to keep things focused on here and that would take a little bit of time but if you go watch the actually the first look preview that we did on the Maximus z690 series excuse me on the z790 series I did compare z690 to z790 so you should have an understanding of the differences from kind of gender gen okay all right um quick question will there be an RG Maximus Apex this time yes um if you didn't watch our live stream yesterday uh we already announced it but let me I have the board over here but I don't want to run to the other room to go get it so I'm just going to show you a picture so let me show you this beautiful board and uh let me go ahead and get my test benches set up here there you go look at that beautiful board that is the Maximus z790 Apex it is going to be the only Maximus board that we will have in white I know some people have asked hey are we gonna have a formula we are not going to have a formula this generation so if you want a white board the Maximus Apex the prime z790-a are the Rog strix z790-a-ddr4 those are the three motherboards that we have that would be kind of Enthusiast focused because we have a couple other Prime series motherboards but they're going to be a little bit more entry okay all right let me go ahead and just um start getting up my little testbed over here guys so give me one second feel free to go ahead and drop in your questions right there I'm still paying attention uh but I have to get this test bed set up right here okay all right so again if anybody's wondering test bed that we are going to be using for this is going to be the z790 hero overall most of the results that I'm going to show you would be applicable to other boards that we have within the lineup so you don't necessarily have to feel like you have to go with the hero the only thing is to keep in mind for the Asus aioc technology when I do demo that that is only applicable to Fours that have Asus aioc so that would be like Rog Maximus Rog strix boards the pro art motherboard but tough gaming and Prime don't have Asus AIC they still allow you to manual overclock but they don't have this Asus AOC technology so do keep that in mind okay all right all right uh cooler wise in case anybody is wondering this is the cooler that I'm going to be using right here this is the brand new upcoming Rye three this is the kind of follow-up to the Ryu gin it doesn't replace the ryugen because as you'll see it's going to be a circle pump head versus the square pump head and it's the anime Matrix display as opposed to a screen so the screen allows you to have kind of full GIF animations images um it's pretty much a screen right and you can also have four different quadrants of information through the Army crate or even Ada 64 integration this will utilize the same type of pixel editor that we have for the anime Matrix on the motherboard so it's a little bit of a kind of more stylized pixelated Graphics it's really cool but this is also using the 8th gen ASA Tech based pump design so there's actually quite a number of improvements in there it's a three-phase motor it's actually got more internal liquid it hasn't actually square base plate it's larger so it's a little bit higher performing um so it's a little bit more kind of targeted towards this latest generation of C use right for both 13th gen and of course ryzen 7000 series but ryugen 2 would work great for overclocking the Rog strix lc2 series would also be great and of course if you got water cooling like I don't know if the poets are still here if you've got a block throw the block on there and the block is of course going to make you happy because you're going to have some low temps all right that's what I'm going to be using uh for the cooling all right oh all right so let's get my little test bed set up right here I Love Blocks I'm with you man I love I love the blocks too yes I'm definitely a big fan uh we'll probably be doing a follow-up little demo to actually show off some of the cool Asus AIC functionality with maybe a little bit of a bits power water cooling setup so you can actually see kind of the Delta again it's not super critical you don't have to do custom water cooling for 13th gen especially if you're gaming but I think for those that might be a little bit more of a hybrid user maybe doing more advanced editing definitely doing some heavier multi-threader workflows and you're going to want to do water cooling and also have high clock speeds then of course then you're going to benefit from Custom water cooling that is going to give you an edge it just comes down to physics right you're able to dissipate more heat more efficiently and more effectively so that is going to be pretty sweet um so if anybody wants to see I'll kind of show it really quick here um let me I guess I can show it to you guys I'll light it up I'll put it maybe under the secondary actually I'll do that I'll put it into the secondary camera so you can kind of see it because it does look pretty kind of cool there um let me see here and technically I don't need a GPU we'll need a GPU in a little bit but uh let me go ahead and just actually throw the GPU on there because that's the cool thing is for this setup I can pretty much just use the igp for a lot of the overclocking but for the kind of gaming load um it will probably make sense for me to throw a GPU on here so I'm going to put a GPU on here all right and got my memory installed in there for memory in case anybody is wondering this is going to be a 7200 empty kit in memory I will have an HDMI output so I'll switch to that guy so we can actually see the UEFI environment so don't worry about it even though you can't see what I got necessarily going on here you will be able to see what I am kind of tweaking and tuning when it comes to that and uh this is not nothing crazy power supply wise um I have uh you know I was using prior to this uh just for my other test bet I was using one of our Rog strix uh a thousand watt power supplies but here for this overclocking test that I'm going to show you this is not even this is just a a nice seasonic Focus which is not even their highest in series this is just a 650 watt power supply that I'm using uh for this overclocking demo so um I know a lot of people are like oh I need huge amounts of power and the reality is having power especially for Peak transient can be performant um and it is somewhat dependent on your whole system configuration but you don't necessarily have to kind of go crazy this is a 3070 with a 39 order case so this is a little bit maybe a mismatch but maybe maybe this would be kind of something you're running you know for most users my recommendation right now is either a very good quality 850 watt or a thousand watt if you're really a kind of high-end user than a 1200 watt is you know you can Target that but really even a thousand watt even with a 40 90 would be fine okay all right and I'm not even connecting the Dual EPS power connectors I'm going to connect one EPS power connector but do keep in mind that the CPU power connectors on our motherboards are what I call our Pro cool Power connectors so they actually have a thicker pin so they actually have higher current handling performance that also helps to actually reduce actually temperature at the point of contact so that is also going to be a beneficial item right there in terms of the design but ideally if you connect both of them you do get a little bit better load balancing so you do ideally want to have um both of them connected okay there we go all right all right there we go all right we've got it connected here very very cool all right let me go ahead and just see got any questions right there that kind of might come up I'm going to go ahead and just throw it under there under that second camera so that you guys just want to see the pump housing really quick you guys can check it out but um now that I've got that set up there let me see if we've had any other questions that might come up um I wouldn't say that that's a high temp uh Yodo I believe I'd have to double check the thermal Junction the thermal Junction temp is actually going to be I think 85 it might even be higher than that so you're actually well under that and keep in mind that temperature on the chipset is actually going to vary for multiple factors one you have your ambient temperature consideration but you also have i o saturation so the more that you adjust certain elements in terms of the i o or you use the i o bus you'll see an increase in the temperature so you can have very different levels you also have something that's called heat pooling right so depending on your GPU that you may or may not have that heat can actually radiate from the GPU and actually saturate onto some of the other underlying components but the temperature you're reporting I wouldn't worry about it at all it's not an issue all right um Tara's asking I have a tough 40 90 a thousand watt PSU yep 100 no worries um keep in mind the transient response um the demands essentially in terms of peak power for the 49er actually less than they were even for the 30 series so overall you don't actually have to worry about it in the same regard so you're entirely okay in that regard okay all right okay very cool let's go ahead and keep going along here um is there any difference between the z790 versus z690 as far as the memory controller so yeah Philly I just talked about that a little bit earlier if you go kind of go back and scrub in the video um technically it's not z790 z690 because there's no memory controller on the motherboard motherboard we did do a little bit of a signal Integrity Improvement on z790 versus c690 but the memory controller is inside the CPU and for Raptor like yes there is a big uplift overall you will see a significant uplift where as I noted essentially kind of 7000 Mt plus is The New Normal especially for two dim configurations compared to 6 000 generally being kind of the normal for overclocking range under uh 12th gen series processors right okay so uh let me go ahead and just uh move this over here you guys can kind of check it out quickly if you want to see the little housing then I'm gonna have to move it back over here and get this loaded up here oh might need to switch out this battery give me one second guys all right and we have my HDMI cable all right here we go so essentially with the qvl of the z690 Apex be updated for the 3900k most likely not but that doesn't mean that uh you won't see improved memory controller performance keep in mind that you can also see updated qvl information directly from the memory partners and an important part that you always want to keep in mind for the qvl that a lot of people forget is that the qvl is a reference from the perspective that it shows you what's possible but it doesn't account for the quality of the memory controller so right now in the qvl we have memory kits that are on there like 66 6800 Mt right but there are plenty of users that will not have that be possible in terms of a z690 motherboard and part of the reason for that is that their memory controller is too weak right but it's very difficult for users to understand that because they don't have 10 CPUs they don't have the ability to go from one CPU to another CPU another CPU and all of a sudden find out wow the limiting factor was my CPU was weak right now if you're talking about generally a lower value this is usually not a factor and you can kind of go with the qvl to feel more comfortable or confident if you want but it's not really that um it's not really that important if that makes sense right generally the interoperability across memory manufacturers and more importantly across the different types of ICS is very good with us whether it's Micron SK hynix or Samsung but the bigger part especially once you start to go to higher and higher values even if you pick a qvl kit you have to really understand three things one is the density in the population actually the correct configuration or did you mix it because some people go oh it's on the qvl let me buy two of them and you broke the qvl because you're running a configuration that wasn't designed to be run in the first place two it's a frequency that is at a higher likelihood of not being successful right or a lower likelihood it just depends on how you want to phrase it right so those are kind of two things that you want to keep in mind there right all right so let me just go ahead and kind of show here ah there we go all right I think you guys should be able to see that so there you can see it's got that kind of cool little like pixelated display I can't show you all the customization because I don't have even the final firmware for it yet um but the final firmware of course we'll show this later in a launch live stream and I'll have it all set up kind of in a build and you guys be able to see it but you can see that's nice kind of cool circular pump housing with this kind of little pixelated graphic design pretty sweet uh overall cool in terms of the kind of the design aesthetic I really also like that there's no cable that you have to attach to the Ryu so normally I have a little micro USB cable the micro USB cable is already directly connected to this pump housing so you pretty much just connect the USB cable and you're good to go so it's a much more streamlined tight clean level of integration right there so okay all right all right let me go ahead and power this up guys somebody's asking um is there a difference uh with ddr4 speeds between z690 z790 again I'm assuming you're talking about 12th gen to 13th gen because the memory controller is what dictates kind of the speeds so um technically the official specification support is the same it's 3200 right but I will say there's probably a little bit of an improvement in terms of some gear one scaling um so you still have gear one and Gear 2 scaling that is going to be present right that's true for ddr4 and for ddr5 but I will say that there is probably a little bit more margin within gear one so if you're somebody that kind of wants to run a little bit of a tighter level of performance right for you know maybe you have like a really good 4 000 kid of memory generally you weren't able to run 4 000 within gear one so you're gonna have a little bit more margin to be able to do that we're still doing some final testing with some of the new MRC in that regard but I'd say yes you get a little bit of additional margin within ddr4 okay 13th gen is no it definitely is not I'll show you right here it's definitely not hot I can again I can run it at six gigahertz uh with that overclock and gaming and I'm gonna be fine you know I'm gonna be depending on the game you know between like you know 55 to like 75 degrees so for me that's entirely fine if you think that's hot um I'm not sure what temperature Target you would kind of really want um now if you're somebody who's going to run sustained multi-threader workloads you know any modern processor really for recent memory is going to run actually you know generally at high temperatures right if you're going to run them under sustained loads right but it all comes down to workload okay uh yada was asking about I-225 there is no I-225 uh if you watched our live stream yesterday or you watched our other first look previews or you watched the group uh on the post all the boards feature the new i-226 so there is no I-225 and also um for most people that generally experience an issue that was a very early on with vision one of the i225 um we didn't actually even use version one all the latest boards actually all use version uh two excuse me version three and then also Intel did Issue drivers to help to improve interoperability and compatibility with different switches which tended to be kind of uh I would say where people might have experienced factors so overall um shouldn't be a factor okay all right go ahead and it's over here yeah I've seen reports of that I'd say if you have feedback send it to Intel you know and they can do debugging or if you want send it to our team if you can consistently duplicate it on one of our boards but I can tell you that our our own networking team we're one of the of course only motherboard manufacturers that is a full networking division because we have a world-class actually networking uh product line and we actually test multiple protocols including actually IPv6 and we do use that as part of the valuation testing and I haven't seen any of that and my at least testing but like I said if you have feedback feel free to go ahead and send it to us all right uh what am I missing here uh let me get my sorry let me get this keyboard connected here so uh toolless Tech I'm sorry here is saying what can you please test a two core overclock without HT if possible and see if one hit one six-point liquor is this highest I already told this Tech if you didn't uh so you didn't went you didn't uh I don't know if you were here for the when we started the stream I already actually highlighted it is already possible you don't need to actually disable HT okay um but we'll be showing that in a little bit um so if I already I already noted this right here so 6.1 uh up between six to about actually 6.2 gigahertz is actually going to be possible on one to two course you don't actually have to disable e-course to achieve that there is of course a proportional relationship that if you do disable e-cores you can sometimes extend the P core overclocking margin and there is also sometimes a relationship in terms of voltage but overall um I wouldn't do that because you you'd be leaving so much performance off the floor I mean one of the really big things now is taking advantage of those e-cores and also the way that kind of thread director and the managing works there's some interesting parameters there and so this is why I think again uh the best case scenario if you want to kind of maximize performance it's going to come through the balancing of taking advantage of not only just the P core overclocking but also that cache overclocking and as I noted I'm actually taking advantage of the cash based overclocking but cash based overclocking that is also linked to Cur to current because cash is very sensitive and if you actually drive the cache too hard with the e-cores it can cause instability so we have a new feature that will allow you to essentially dynamically switch the cache ratio based on actually current handling so we'll be showing that in a little bit here okay I turn off e-cores I thought it's better for gaming it can be it's not better for gaming in most scenarios you're already going to get amazing performance in gaming but if you're talking about having the highest clock speeds absolutely highest clock speeds you can potentially sometimes eke out a little bit more margin on 1210 but as I noted that six gigahertz um one to two cores is already possible without disabling the e-course so in my opinion why disable the e-cores if you can hit that frequency without disabling them right because you're going to get you're going to get more performance right why give up that performance because some games can actually sometimes benefit from those e-course okay all right is there any memory training on 13th gen there's memory training on every motherboard if you didn't have memory training you would definitely have some issues you definitely need memory training to occur so there's always memory training um depending on the complexity of the memory and the scaling you may have a little bit longer memory training you could have a little bit shorter memory training but overall the the Raptor like memory controller is very very good so training is pretty quick um it's quite shorter than comparable like AMD platforms even at higher Mt values so it's not something I would really say that you have to be concerned with but there is always going to be elements of memory training um when you kind of go from one value to another value the board has to kind of calibrate to that and the IMC has to calibrate to that all right uh let me go ahead and switch over guys here I think I should have this here set up all right all right we should be I think good there is uh if you guys can let me know if that maybe does that work better there if I keep it in the bottom right hand corner all right let me see right here what's the question um hold on let me check this others yeah that should be correct that should be that system okay uh what about the Maximus e690 z690 I'm not I'm not sure what you mean in terms of relation to your question uh if you're asking about like the Delta difference between z690 and z790 again all of the motherboards are going to have higher scaling for Raptor Lake in relation to the memory divider and for Apex for this generation it's going to be very very good because of course that is a um you know it's a 1dpc one spc-based board right so you're going to have very very good scaling all right um see right here oh that's good information uh de poets is noting that he's saying that he found specifically in Star Cindy sin they optimally need to disable the e-course so again that is an option you have we talked about that actually in our 12th gen stream overclocking where specifically we also talked about that enabling e-cores also actually adds a certain amount of voltage because there's a direct link to the P cores and to the e-cores so you actually can reduce actually a little bit of minality of voltage and when you also disable e-course and that also allows you to sometimes scale up frequency um the way that I usually like going about it if you're going to do it is to create a different profile so essentially have a different profile in the UEFI one with like maybe P cores enabled only and then another with Excuse me uh P cores and e-cores enabled and then another with pcores disabled right if you wanted to have different kind of permutations right uh let me just see right here if there's any other questions so um chat today you answer if we can use four dims on ddr5 yes of course you can use four dims there's no issues with four dimms um I'll show you actually some results already that I've done I can show you four dims running at 6000 Mt which is quite impressive that's actually better than the standard than you already had uh for um z690 and for 12th gen but again the important thing is that there's no XMP so just keep that in mind there is no four dim XMP so you have to kind of really understand that and if you don't understand that my recommendation is watch our ddr5 insights live stream video that we did check out our ddr5 insights post I'll also try to explain a little bit more about that here if you really feel that you want some more insight into that but this is nothing new um there's always been a difference between um you know your different actually types of configurations whether you're talking two dim configurations or four dim configurations right all right so we're in the UEFI uh let's go with just some basic parameters Let's uh load everything up we're just going to go with F5 defaults guys we're going to keep this from the purest perspective so we're gonna go and we're going to enforce all the limits and we're going to check those corresponding values and we're going to load up into the operating system so let's go ahead and get into our OS and we're going to kind of just check to see what it kind of looks like and from there we'll actually go into the overclocking okay so I'm just going to give that a second actually it should boot up there pretty quick so I'm not going to change the window well that's fine I'll just change it a little bit back and forth 3900 great is is there any secret you can share how to get good IP good silicon so the peace score will be good um no I mean that's silicon variance and also don't worry about the scores so many people misinterpret the scores the scores are our own internal value registers that we use based on polling of information so while it's relevant it's also not really relevant to you it's really more relevant to us in the internal machine learning algorithm that we have in place that defines information for the Asus AI overclocking parameters right but if you're trying to hunt for a specific value you're never going to be able to get that value unless you've been right you literally have to kind of just go through CPUs if you're trying to kind of hit one but the more important thing is actually I think having a better understanding of how to performance tune and how to work with what CPU sample you have right I think that's to me that's the way that I look at it but you know if you have a different perspective um you know that's maybe just how you decide that you want to approach Performance Tuning Okay so all right guys uh we are in the UEFI and I didn't see if anybody in the comments could let me know if they're fine if I keep it there in the bottom right hand corner does that work for people or if you guys uh would it be better if I moved it over here and one of these other kind of sections I think it's fine right there in the bottom right right so if I can just get a little bit of feedback on that that would be great okay all right uh go ahead and get my Wireless there make it a little bit easier for me here it should be opposite this one oh there we go okay all right that's a little bit just less work for me in terms of cabling okay all right so um at this point right the easiest thing that kind of I recommend in terms of kind of doing this performance Baseline is uh just open up your XTU XTU is of course free you can go ahead and get this uh directly from Intel uh it's their Performance Tuning utility uh keep in mind that there are going to be some uh registers that you may have to go ahead and change and change within the operating system environment to be able to actually access the msrs because there are some restrictions in Windows 11 for some security purposes so do keep that in mind so the main thing that you would want to do is that when you open this up right here you can actually see that it'll actually give you a full kind of breakdown of your values right and so what I mean by the values is actually how the actual multipliers are set based on the course right and so here we can see like when we have to a kind of pretty much an all-core working model right we have 55 and then you can see as it goes all the way up it's getting up to 58 and then it's getting up to 58 so 58 is essentially on one core or on two cores now there are some other factors that of course will potentially limit that as we can see right here within the turbo boost power window right um the short Power Max is also defined where we can see that that's limited to 253 so when we're talking about overclocking overclocking allows us to actually extend performance limits not just by modifying these ratios but also by actually adjusting the parameters that the power is looking at right in terms of that power envelope we can make adjustments to that which also helps us sustain higher boosting activity which is very important right if we can increase those limits then when we increase also the frequency that also allows us to make sure that we're seeing more sustained frequency these at those higher values right now if I go over here you're also going to see I have gone ahead and set the monitoring window to 30 minutes this is my preference as far as what the actual uh kind of information that I like to kind of look at so that would be my recommendation and in terms of kind of the values there's a lot of different values you have available to you you can see right here you can actually select all of them right but you can have pretty much almost every value that you want I don't worry about all of these values you don't really need them all the ones that I like to really kind of keep a focus on is you've got package temperature which can be useful uh core voltage CP utilization but I sometimes will just end up liking opening up my task manager for that purpose if I need to look at that so I'll sometimes have it open like this but you can go ahead and monitor it there the max score frequency which is going to be useful and you can see right there that actually gives us a Min and Max average so that is going to be reported to us I might drop down the resolution guys if it makes it a little bit easier to see so if you guys can let me know let me know and I can see if I can adjust that okay um package TDP and then right here whether you're getting any type of thermal throttle uh temperature I usually will monitor between one to four cores so you can see right here I've gone ahead and done uh primary P core zero and P core one and then you'll also see that XTU now has this new little readout and it'll actually show you the preferred cores right um You can see with little stars so I will usually then monitor those cores as well from a temperature perspective right so and frequency so we can see again P1 P0 P1 and then I'm also monitoring you can see right there P4 and P5 right okay um and then oh down here right I'm also doing what power limit throttling Uh current limit throttling uh motherboard VR throttling right I'm just checking those right so that essentially are kind of the values that I'm looking for okay uh so Tech says it looks fine great okay so I don't need to put it in uh I don't need to put it in 720p output okay so great so now let's go ahead and just do a little bit of a test on how we can kind of go ahead and check for some of this Base information before we start the overclocking right so um if you want an easy test for everybody that's kind of free you could of course use these something like cinebench if you want I like using a little bit more of a test that actually has a little bit more instruction sets so um geekbench is actually pretty good because it throws actually a little bit of a spread across right we're using a few different instruction sets we're doing some light threaded workloads we're doing multi-threaded workloads we're doing a little bit more than just kind of either going for this heavy heavy multi-threaded load or we're going for this single threaded load right so if we go ahead and now run this Benchmark um we're gonna go ahead and let it kind of run through and now if I want what I can go ahead is while that's running through I can now start to kind of just keep an eye on some of this information and if I wanted to I can of course I can log this to look at it later if I want to kind of look at that information but right here we can start to see recent maximum right if we kind of hold right there we can see that it's 5.5 yeah 5.54 gigahertz right that's our recent maximum right and then it'll also kind of give us the average right but that's important to keep in mind that 5.4 we can see we got up to 5.6 right and technically it should be able to get to 5.8 but under the forced Intel defaults that 5.8 is going to be on that little bit more conservative side as far as probably seeing it Peak up to there we can see right now we just got up to 5.7 right so that 5.7 is now coming into play so this is overall just giving us idea as as the workload is occurring how we're actually seeing that come together and again if anybody's kind of wondering about temperatures you can see we're fine right 73 C's is the peak on the on the package and that of course is not even representative of course your uh average temperature per each CPU right so you can see right there 73 71 right um so we're finding that regard right and if we move over to the other kind of P cores just to check out some of those that's 5.71 5.51 right so we can see kind of what's going on there right so overall pretty straightforward uh this bench is going to be finishing up in a little bit we'll let it finish out and we're going to kind of see what that maximum frequency is right uh so uh yo anto's asking yeah this is really good we're getting closer to 60 hertz yeah that's the really cool thing trust me we are going to get to six gigahertz which is pretty awesome um 6 gigahertz is actually totally realizable on this platform so again uh we can go back here see overall the recent maximum right was a 5.51 right you can see right there yeah 5.8 sorry let me go back there yep 5.51 it's our recent maximum 5.53 and 5.71 right so I think the highest rate that we got up to was about 5.71 we didn't actually even necessarily hit that 5.8 uh right that is quote unquote defined as being kind of that that Peak possible right and part of that is because uh some of the power limits and the way things are defined right when that you force that Intel parameter it's going to be a little bit more conservative if we enable things like of course Intel thermal velocity boost and we will of course start to customize some of these values so just you extending some of these we would probably open up the power of envelope and that would be an easy way to just start to give you a little bit more performance if you just wanted to kind of more opportunistically start to hit some of these higher values but this is of course where Asus AOC can make things a heck of a lot easier for you in terms of taking care of these parameters so now that we've gone ahead and set kind of that reference in terms of what we know these parameters are at default um if you want I usually will find hey an easy way to kind of uh store this information if you need to is you can use something like sharks or you can use the windows Snipping tool right and then you could just take a screenshot store that screenshot and then that will give you the values that you can compare so if I need to compare that information and know hey where I'm seeing a before and after I now have that information stored so now we're going to go back into the UEFI and enable our next setting so that we can go ahead and see what type of overclocking range that we can get to okay Legacy I'm not sure why you say that I really feel confident that actually our utility is actually the best motherboard utility that's out there amongst any motherboard manufacturer we've done a lot of work to be able to offer a utility that's I think now quite feature Rich offers a good level of usability it's actually a uwp surface which means it's actually quite responsive it means it doesn't use any active resources but it's not actively in the foreground it uses less memory than something like GeForce experience or Discord or kind of other kind of applications in that regard and you know we're actively working on if you have legitimate feedback you know that you actually want to supply feel free to leave it back in our Armory crate Discord excuse me on our Armory crate form Community that's monitored by our Dev team and I would definitely make sure that you post that so our Dev team can review it you know we've spent a lot of time and effort we literally have 20 million active users so there's actually quite a number of people that are using it right now and you know from version one all the way to now to version five right that we're currently at there's been a lot of milestones releases so yeah I mean if you have feedback I'd love to hear it all right let's get ready to go ahead and jump into the UEFI can you please more talk about caching it is now I'm not sure exactly what you mean Yodo I know I'm going to be talking about the cache tuning function in a little bit so don't worry about that I'm going to be getting into that but first I want to tackle cpu-centric based overclocking I have two sets let me see right here somebody's asking DJ is asking I have two sets in my cart are you certain these will work at 4 by 16 and what speeds do they work right so you you didn't say what kits you kind of have but ideally again when you buy two kits of memory right you are essentially gonna always potentially reducing the likelihood of running them at their value now if you're running if you're buying something like two kits of like six thousand you can pretty feel pretty confident that you're going to be able to be run that on kind of raptor Lake right but if you're talking like two 6400 kits um that's gonna probably be not necessarily realistic it's not that it won't be because the IMC is actually even better than it was in 12th gen and definitely 6400 was not anywhere remotely possible on 12th gen in a 4 dim configuration right right but again if you're talking about frequency you want to be prioritizing two dim configurations because that's where the kits are developed right so if you're looking at you know 66 to you know 72 get two dims that's what you want to be getting on and don't think that you can just duplicate that and run that because again the memory when a memory manufacturer tunes that memory they're tuning it based on the nand the PCB the timing the voltages all of those parameters are tuned specifically to that kit and when you then introduce a secondary kit those parameters that were tuned just for those two dimms would now be different and that's what we end up having to do as a motherboard manufacturer we have to kind of sometimes Tune Auto rolls in the background that you think you're applying a four dim profile but you're not really we're actually attempting to kind of make that work and that can be quite a number of other parameters that kind of get tuned to help to enable that but you still always have to be realistic of that poor table that I showed earlier right where there is a difference between um you know different rank different density different population right and ultimately two dim versus four dim right all right so um now we're back in there and we can go ahead and reload defaults and we're gonna now go ahead and just enable Asus AIC to do that we can just go right here and we can go to Asus ASC and we will be good now the cool thing is right here you can see this little information I'm going to move my head so you guys can see that a little bit more clearly but you can already see that it's giving us actually a good indicator to let us know hey under light loading we're already targeting a 5.9 gigahertz overclock so we're already consuming that we're actually going to be moving up but the important thing to keep in mind is that since we're also making adjustments to the power limits we're actually going to see some more opportunistic tape boosting that's going to be available and because of that opportunistic boosting we're actually going to probably be seeing higher frequencies than that value as well so that is the important thing to keep in mind is that it's not just the overclock parameter that we're defining we're also since we're unlocking other parameters that's going to be increasing our OC ceiling right so if we actually head over here into AI features we can actually see some more of this information kind of broken down to us so we can actually see right here right that if you guys remember 5.5 was the all core right now we've gone ahead and moved to 5.6 5.7 on 5 cores and then 5.9 on 3 cores so that's already a nice uplift because if you remember the 5.8 was only on two cores and now we have 5.9 on three cores and I can tell you with this configuration we might already see the opportunity for this to actually jump to it's giving us six gigahertz and maybe some small instances but if we wanted to bump this up the easy way that we could scale this out further is this optimism slider right here once we actually test for stability we could just bump this up maybe go up to like 105 or 110 and that just little bit of additional addition will give us a little bit more of a value that would then step into that next range and I'll show you a little bit of an example of actually how that would work so you can actually see how just a little bit of tuning there can help to extend the margin okay now it's also important some people always ask about voltages keep in mind that we do use an Adaptive voltage policy so when I get into Windows what that means is that the voltage is dynamic right when the system's idle we're not doing a lot that voltage is going to come down it's going to be working very efficiently and effectively and then when the actual CPU becomes under load then that's when the CPU is going to incrementally load on the corresponding voltage it's defined and we can actually see the voltage table as it's defined right there right so we are good to go there so let's go ahead and now save and reboot and on the next stage we'll do XMP and we're also going to of course uh take a look at the dynamic cache switching technology and I'll show you actually the values on what we could kind of dial in as a baseline for how we can do some overclocking for the cache or the ring bus if we want to also further kind of improve performance from overclocking the ring bus okay uh can you enable XMP I will enable XMP in a little bit can you enable it with four dimms yeah if you have the right if you have the right target that you're kind of shooting right again um there is no 4-dim XMP right that's the most important thing to understand you are creating your own kit is what you're attempting to do right when you buy four dims you should be thinking that you always have to manually tune that because there is no Ford dim XMP just because you have the ability to toggle it doesn't mean that actually it is a native four dim kit right but can you do it yeah I I mean I I could take out this kit configuration right there and I can show you actually in a little bit that I've gone ahead and run it um I might have actually let me see if I have the values right here give me one second um let me see if I have it over here this is gonna be what is this is this Ah that's 72. okay so here's an example right can you run for dim there you go this is four dim right there 6000 Mt four Dam configuration right that's on this z790 right so that's a four dim six thousand Mt that's already better than what you saw on z690 and 12th gen that's a full one hour stability test with occt that's literally just some basic tuning I didn't even I didn't even spend time to kind of tune that down so you could actually get better than that um so yes is it possible yeah you can run for dim you can run at high configuration I can show you even the same values not the same values because on 12th gen the values were lower generally you're going to be looking at four dim what's usually going to be between about 52 to maybe about 5600 right if you were talking a 64 gig configuration so you can see under 13th gen the value is higher right but again you have to make sure your kit that you're looking at is the right type of Kit configuration and even then there is still Sometimes some differences between SK hynix and Samsung between timing parameters that you may have to kind of tune and that's the reason why I'm telling you is just that don't think about just purely enabling it from XMP it might mean that you might have to make a small value adjustment to maybe add more voltage than memory controller you might maybe have to make a timing adjustment and that's because XMP defines timing parameters that are defined for two dimms if you're trying to run four dimms guess what the timing parameters they're not optimally suited to four dimms right because it's not a four dim kit it was not manufactured to run at those parameters right so that's just something to kind of keep in mind there all right so we are now in the desktop environment right so let's go ahead and go back over to Intel XTU and we're going to go ahead and open up our value right here um see I'm not asking for a guarantee but I'm guessing unlike Alder Lake where the memory controller a memory controller was not actually I really disagree with that there I've been working with motherboards for 20 years the memory controller on Elder lake is probably the best memory controller I've ever seen the scaling level that it offered um it's just unmatched um there's literally no memory controller in history that's ever shown being able to go from one generation from 4 800 to literally 10 000 Mt that is absolutely insane and even again um you know uh I'm gonna this is the last point I wanna spend on this um but you know let's go ahead and type on it because again if you really want to understand this go back and watch our ddr5 inside streams we did a lot of time to discuss this and kind of cover it um in depth but this is what you need to understand a lot of users just don't remember the fact that your default divider right is different between SP one SPC and one DPC right so again if you add in more dims you're natively making this more strenuous to the memory control roller so the memory controller drops from 4800 to like 44 to 4000 to 36. now Intel's memory controller rapidly is stronger right this value is now 48 anymore this is 56 but you still have a drop down table so there's always going to be a drop down regardless always when you go to a higher density and higher population and higher rank that is unquestionable it will always happen so as long as your consciousness of that then you can hopefully understand how you can then approach memory scaling right okay all right so uh when we go ahead and now open up XTU here we can go ahead and now see let's take a look at our results guys um really really nice so look at the results right here um we have 62 all the way on the active ratio on one then 62 61 right here on 2 61 um on three right 59 59 58 58 so you can see we have a huge uplift right and then we also have some thermal velocity boost offsets and so the thermal velocity boost offsets are present right to help to align with temperature right because when those temperature values kick in we can see right there that these are the actual temperature targets all of these values already been dialed in so normally you know a lot of people will say don't use this and I'm like we have spent hundreds of hours thousands of hours creating these permutations and they're really quite finely tuned to be able to actually be in alignment to give you efficiency and Effectiveness while also still accounting for thermal distresses and you can see that right here where the offsets have been all implemented and then we have these nice thermal values that are also triggered in place so as soon as those values are in place that offset will kick in and help to drop that down now if you wanted them to be more aggressive and you got more thermal Headroom then you can go ahead and adjust those so you have that kind of flexibility to kind of go with that now if we go ahead and let's back over to our geekbench right let's go ahead and see now kind of what some of our values are right here all right so right here and again uh Jay D jockwith I'm sorry if you're not saying your name correctly if you have more questions please join our pcdiy group post your question there I have no problem following up with you there in the group and also read our ddr5 insights post which will also maybe help you better understand some of these points as well in terms of understanding that but if you're buying memory right now like I said my recommendation if you absolutely for some reason have to go with the four dim if you want the kind of highest level of assurance that you can have confidence in having it work I would not go over probably six thousand maybe 6200 but I wouldn't go over that you're shorting yourself quite a bit because as I'm going to show you here in a little bit 70 7200 is the new normal for Raptor lake so for me it really doesn't make sense to be limiting yourself to a four dim configuration unless you're running I don't know like you're going to run like 120 gigabytes of memory or something like that it doesn't make sense um so let's go ahead and now run this and we're going to launch geekbench and and from here we can go ahead and start to see of course uh some of our temps and uh our course frequency so right there we can see of course now 62 degrees it's gone ahead and started the test right and there we can already see a higher value than before already clicked off at 5.79 gigahertz right uh temperature as it's ramping up right there still time 42 but let's look at the frequencies right and here this is when you want to kind of just start tracking the frequency as the application is running there we can already see 5.75 right 5.79 right so we can already see that boosting is kind of kicking into place right so we can already see that nice kind of uplift in terms of the clock frequency right and of course uh keep in mind that of course different loads right are going to hit differently right depending on what you're doing especially gaming here this is actually going to be a bit more stressful than gaming so the next step is actually we're going to run a little bit of a game in the background and do a little bit of a load test to actually see what kind of the frequencies might kind of look like there in a little bit right um Simon is asking should we change the load line calibration you don't have any reason to change the low that calibration a lot of users will sometimes just start to change stuff because they think that they should or there's old logic that people put in a post somewhere on Reddit or something like that saying that you should do this we actually have really good Auto roles and the auto rules are written by our performance R D team to essentially align with the values here so if you do take advantage of like the Asus aisc you don't need to change the LLC we've already kind of matched the LLC to the corresponding values that have been defined really the main thing that you would want to start to adjust is going to be if you want to either bring down or adjusting maybe the multipliers maybe go in and enable the dynamic cacher technology right or maybe you also want to go ahead and maybe adjust the optimism scale excuse me optimism slider which I'll show in a little bit but you don't need to worry about changing the LLC value the LLC value is also going to be most representative of the load types that you're going to be running and the one that we balance is is quite good for kind of an overall workflow scenario kind of Gaming scenario so you don't need to worry about changing it so again if we take a look right there let's take a look here at our excuse me uh our frequencies right recent averages right 5.75 and then yeah 5.79 right so overall nice little kind of bump in there and again these would start to kind of be higher as we kind of started to push the envelope depending on what we're doing so the next thing that I actually would want to do is let me see if I've got my n Walker right here right so now let's go ahead and simulate a little bit more of a kind of workflow scenario if we were actually gaming so let me go ahead and go to a windowed mode right here now this is going to play around a little bit odd because the thread director does do some foreground and some background loading meaning that kind of when something is in the foreground it prioritizes what's in the foreground right but uh let's kind of go with that so we're going to clear that out let's see let's clear the data right there okay and uh we'll go back there all right okay and we're going to go ahead and now load this up here and this is just kind of like I said an assessment and to help us to kind of understand the performance right that we have when we're kind of in a more kind of gaming workload scenario and again when people are kind of talking about thermal performance this is where I can show you again we have it even overclocked right but we're gaming and so again we still have that thermal Headroom now of course if you're running something like blender or professional 3D application The Thermals are going to be very different for that especially overclocked than if they would be for your gaming but if you're talking about web browsing gaming light editing and photos General desktop use General web applications there's no problems you can thermally control that pretty well with a wide number of coolings whether like I said it's a 240 or 280 or 360 AIO or course if you've got custom water cooling no issues right there so um actually I'll let that run a little bit longer but let me go back here to XTU right and again we kind of start to just take a look right here let's see what we're at so there we can see we're picking up we're at keep in mind though we have of course all those voltages bump up the frequency and we're still right now um the peak that we've gotten to is 86 right but that's of course not representative even our kind of average temp because keep in mind that I'll kind of go up and down right and there we see you can see 76 and on there 78 and of course there's going to be a little bit of drop as it kind of goes from one scene level load to the other 5.1 5.2 5.75 right 5.79 right okay so we're just going to go ahead and just let that run for a little bit and we'll kind of go from there and then the next step is like I said I'll show you how you make the next Double adjustment to go into the optimism slider to be able to go ahead and bump up a little bit hopefully the goal is we can see if we can get up to maybe about that six gigahertz marker to see that actually reflect at least maybe one time within the game kind of scenario and we're also going to go ahead and enable the XMP profile and then we'll also go in and make the adjustment to the cache as well okay so it's hi um somebody's asking is high daily use for gaming 1.45 now keep in mind that's actually a really good point right so somebody's asking about voltage so when we talk about voltage this is not like a static voltage a lot of overclockers that are old school overclockers will use the static voltage because it's easy it's not complicated like trying to Define an offset or a voltage frequency curve but the advantage of what we use here is an Adaptive voltage means that that voltage is only peaking under certain requests in terms of the frequency as it moves up and so that means that you're only seeing small instances of that voltage actually going up to that so you're not talking about 1.45 where like 1.45 is consistently held right across the entire duration we actually have that frequency in that voltage drop right and it will go up when it's under load and so that means that actually from an efficiency standpoint and from an even lifespan standpoint if you are going to overclock using an Adaptive voltage in a voltage frequency curve is you're much better off right if you're talking about not wanting to sustain that now if you were manually overclocking with a static vid I wouldn't advise running a 1.4 vid consistently because it's going to consume a lot of power produce a lot of heat it's going to cause voltage aggregation it's just not a smart way to overclock but there are some people that are like that they focus really really much on doing that right but that's not the case right with that so again if we actually go back here to our uh do I actually am I tracking kind of the voltage here I can track the voltage right and we'll take a look at that kind of voltage but we'll see that the voltage will be going up and down and actually you're better off kind of looking at the average right so instead of just looking at the peak you would really want to kind of look at the average when you're running this for like 30 minutes and you would actually find that the average is actually lower than the value that you think it is and so this is where a lot of people sometimes they'll see that there's a voltage value that's set and they think that's the voltage is being run and that's not really accurate right just because like I said it comes up it goes down it comes up and it goes down right um so a duck is saying is this CPU using a Ryu cooler no I'm using the new uh ryu3 uh cooler not the Ryu gin so the Ryu Jin is the one right here next to me right so that's uh sorry that's this one right here this one that I'm using I showed a little bit early this is the brand new ryu3 so this was actually even a little bit of a higher performing cool this is an engineering sample but this is our next gen cooler which is based off of the 8th gen ASO Tech based pump design and that one's the 710 base design but they're both great and they would both be no problem in terms of cooling um you know a 13th gen okay all right um so somebody's saying I wonder what the skis will be like on the 1300 KS you know you know um we can't comment right I know Intel says that they'll be looking to release another CPU but I think the whole point here is that it's showing you that the there's some already margin that's available within the CPU right if we talk about overclocking right you have a little bit more room um sorry I was a little late no worries man feel free to go ahead and watch this on demand afterwards you know and thank you for joining us on the stream regardless and if you're not part of our PC DIY group feel free to go ahead and join us the link is in the description love to have you be part of our community right um so let's go back to that voltage again so we can kind of just see what we've kind of been going back and forth that so again you can already see um that average is actually staying pretty close actually closer to about 1.235 right so you can actually see that right there in terms of that voltage line right where it's kind of going up it's kind of going down up going up going down and so that's again where even though you saw that 1.35 being the marker that's not realistically what you're actually seeing being fed and because that's because we do not use a static vid right we really worked very cleverly with our performance team and then Intel's team to make sure that we're leveraging kind of the best options in terms of kind of efficiency as much as you can be efficient when you're overclocking because when you're overclocking of course you're pulling more power you're producing more heat but you can do it in a more intelligent and sensible way than kind of just cranking all your cores and cranking up the voltage and going to like an extreme um you know load line calibration value or even some like users will force all the phases to run like at a high value like they'll force them to run all at extreme which also doesn't make sense it's not very thermally efficient right you're consuming a lot of power for no reason but let me go ahead and drop out of this because I had it set to Loop so I don't want it to kind of keep going right here and just again for reference if I was to close out of this let me go ahead and close out of this really quick here if we go back over here I can show you if I open up cpz now you could do this with HW info I've got HW info here different people have different utilities that they like to use right but you'll can see right here this is the whole point of also what I'm trying to show so if you actually take a look at the actual frequency now this is always a little bit tricky because literally running a utility and then showing you is also going to kind of influence its value but if you look right there you'll see our adaptive voltage policy and our Dynamic loading implementation right excuse me the dynamic loading nature along with the Adaptive voltage in the per core overclock shows you you see how it's oscillating back and forth so you're not consistently running that voltage right you can see right there it dropped below one volt and then when it needs a little bit more it drops up it goes up a little higher and then when it's into that gaming load it then Peaks up but it's going to keep going down this is why it's so much more efficient to use this and this is why we also tell users take advantage of the Asus AIC technology as a starting point because it's already so well tuned that then if you just want to be able to tweak it a little bit further you can do that right so um anyways that uh that takes care of that there so let's go to now the next step and we're gonna go into um the next step for the uvfi and uh make a little bit more of an adjustment okay let me see uh can you put into high performance and power option Windows look um no I wouldn't recommend doing that because that again that's self-defeating the people that like to force Power States like that it to me doesn't make sense because you're you're again you're compromising the overall efficiency of a platform right so the moment you start forcing certain power envelopes like that you're restricting the frequencies right excuse me you're forcing frequencies to run at a certain parameter so for me I like efficiency so I'm not going to do that because I don't think that there's value in you doing that if that's something you want to do you want to change your power profiles go for it but I can also tell you that does expose you to more issues in terms of like I said power consumption and frequency considerations that I don't think are sensible all right um so Clay is saying is I'm wondering about 13 gen z790 um I don't actually think that pricing is a factor in that regard I think the feature set is quite justifiable if you really feel that you're limited in terms of price point I mean the pricing is pretty good if you go down to we have tough gaming motherboards that are starting in the mid 200s um and keep in mind that the feature set is very Advanced on z790 right I mean you're getting PCI Gen 5 support you're getting four m.2 ssds you're getting 20 gigabit USB you could be getting Wi-Fi 6E so you can't even make kind of comparisons sometimes even boards from three or four years ago because the spec isn't even remotely close the power delivery designs are significantly higher end right you have support for so much higher end specifications the boards are inherently more complex and this is the important thing a lot of times media don't cover sometimes in the discussion is they just talk about performance and that's fine but you really want to talk about the features and the functions and the experience that you're going to have right if you're coming from a board that has like one m.2 slot to a board that has four slots to a board that didn't have an internal USBC header to a board that didn't and have you know three USB ports on the rear that were type c that didn't have type you know 2.5 gigabits or Wi-Fi 6E those are all factors right but RZ um 790 lineup is priced pretty nicely right I think again starts off and kind of the low 200s and then we'll go all the way up depending on the classic board that you're looking for we have First Look previews on our entire board lineup and we did a full in-depth live stream yesterday that covers all the boards so if you have questions check out that stream clay hopefully that'll help you better understand what you're looking at and if you really want to save money buy b660 if you don't care about overclocking just buy b660 b660 boards are even cheaper and you can run any 13 gen series process in there you can get something like a tough gaming b660 board or um an RG strix b660 board and you're good to go right plus you got ddr4 on z790rb660 as well so um let's head back over here into the Asus AIC the next step is if you wanted to go ahead and now fine tune this a little bit further we can go down here and this optimism scale you can go ahead and adjust this so again if you were noticing maybe that value maybe you test everything and it's not stable right we work really hard to have this value across hundreds of samples to kind of be tuned to be in a high probability of success but let's say it maybe wasn't stable then what you would want to go ahead and do is reduce that maybe reduce it to like 90 95 right you could do that or the inverse if you notice hey I want to see if I can get a little bit more go ahead and raise it up go ahead and let's go up to now 105 and now this will allow it to be a little bit more aggressive at the optimism scale to see if we can get even a little bit more performance Headroom out of the Asus AIC algorithm and that will make all those changes for you okay so the next thing is is now let's go ahead and now I'm pushing the envelope because I'm testing an overclock that I haven't even tried here but let's go ahead and now also enable our XMP so if you guys don't know a really cool feature that we do have inside of our uefi's the SPD information it will allow you to check the actual memory that you have installed in your system so you can see right here we do have an XMP kit of memory this is 7200 Mt this would not be realistic unless you were generally talking about like something like an apex board or a mini ITX baseboard so two-dim board and an outstanding memory controller to be able to run this on z690 and 12th gen but here this is going to be pretty uh easy to go and this is on a four-dim enabled motherboard right where we're going to be running the 7200 Mt so you can see that information from there in terms of enabling of course all we have to do is we just go over into our enabling XMP profile so we're going to go ahead and enable the XMP profile there we go and now if I wanted to go ahead and test this you don't even need to boot directly into the operating system we do have an integrated mem test so you can go ahead and click on this button and that will actually reboot you straight into an actual mem test Suite that we have built into the UEFI bios so that's a really great feature that if you want to be able to test the memory right off the bat you can do that without even having to boot into the operating system and it will run up to four passes if it passes through then you can go ahead and be that route and you know that's a great option for you so I would go ahead and recommend that as an easy way to you know test your system if you want to go through that route but you know for time expediency I'm not going to run through this whole stress test so I'm just going to go ahead and cancel out of that we're going to end the test oh sorry um and the test and from there you then do I have some other options that you'll see here like you can do a ram Benchmark so if you actually wanted to see your bandwidth you could actually go to the bandwidth and you could compare that to you know your standard value to your higher value you could essentially do this all without having to go into the operating system and crash or do any of those things so it's quite nice right but I'm going to go ahead and exit out of this and now get into the operating system and you can actually see how long it would take to train so we were running at stock we were running at the default memory divider support and now we're going to go ahead and kick into the 7200. yeah Corsair slop is saying mem test is good for quick stability yeah so I use that as my initial primer you can see how quickly the 7200 trained right literally we're we're just with the launch gbfi we haven't even done any performance optimizations which we'll be doing over the coming months and you saw 7 200 just change just like that bam we're already now in the in the operating system right so there you can go we see we literally booted in now we've got our overclock in play we already got that poor core tuning up to that what what six six one six two gigahertz and 7200 uh Mega transfers on the memory right and that was all in what less than like a minute right pretty awesome um I have the z690 extreme compared to the z790 extreme they're both fantastic boards and they're going to be very similar the power delivery the overall 10g the Thunderbolt there's a couple small differences you can check out the first like preview on the Maximus extreme board that we have up if you want to kind of see some of the specific differences but I wouldn't be worried about changing the board of course c690 is a fantastic platform it's fully compatible with 13th gen and you'll get a great experience so you don't need to worry about changing it out okay dead bc77 JJ should have tossed out my Maxima c690 formula no it's fantastic the z690 formula is fantastic plus we're not going to make a formula for this generation so um you know I would definitely keep it I love that board it's a fantastic looking board so right here there we goes we can see uh let's head over to our memory right um and I'm sorry let me go back over here and uh where is it back to the XTU running the 3900k on z690 will allow it to run higher frequency memory yes you will be able to run higher frequency memory okay and so and xdu also if you wanted then um represent the memory yeah I believe there is a tab that you can also have the memory be logged at one time too so yeah you can see right there like if you want to go ahead and have your memory be listed you could have your memory be listed I'm wondering if I forgot to change a value there in the UEFI so let me go back and actually double check that because it did Show 4 800 there so let me go back in and double check and make sure that actually the memory is is present there uh matchy is going what's upgrade to Pro that's just the more advanced Suite so we partnered with uh PassMark so they actually have a more advanced version which offers some additional functions if you're just looking for basic memory testing you're entirely fine but if you want a more complete Suite then there is an upgrade option that you have available to you but it's not required like this feature is is present within the motherboard so it's not something that you have to go through and worry about okay oh there we go okay so let me go back in now get that in place there we go okay uh let me see there if we have any other questions came up there okay looks like we're over okay so we're rebooting back through um like I said training I in my experience depends of course for dim training is longer than two dim training but in most situations the training is gonna probably not take you more than I'd say about probably 15 to about 20 seconds um as far as the normal kind of training timeline so you should be pretty straightforward you know we need more Prime z790 stock out here um yeah rest assured no worries um we're working on that so you can see the training completed there it's right around in the Target that I told you actually I think that was probably a little bit quicker than um I said as far as like I said normally it takes around like that maybe that 20 20 to 30 seconds that was less than that and we can see that we have the 7200 trained over from the 48 right now we still might I think um I I don't remember if I if I had the Asus Arc still enabled after I made that change um so I might have to go back and re-enable that because an important thing is that we do not overclock dram when we enable Asus AOC and that goes back to our original kind of point that I talked about asynchronous based overclocking we only overclocked the CPU we do not overclock the dram because overclocking both could lead to a higher level of instability and then you don't know which one is causing your fault is it your CPU is it your dram so that's always the reason why you have to go back and either you enable your XMP and then enable Asus AOC or the other way around right but either which way you have to overclock both right you need to make sure to enable both of those as opposed to just doing one or the other right um what's the motherboard I'm using the motherboard I'm using is the uh it's the Maximus z690 hero okay it's this one right here my recommendation though if you don't want to jump all the way to the hero I really really like the um Rog strix z790-e I think that's a really outstanding board the dash f is also a really good value but actually any one of the Rog strix boards are a great choice if you want to save a little bit still get the Asus AOC technology you still will also get the dynamic switcher technology that I um I haven't even talked about yet so great option but this is the hero the hero is kind of like The Benchmark I'm always a big fan of the hero so that's the reason why I'm using it all right so let's go back over here and there we guys can see so um we can see now we've got the 7200 right there you guys are good to go hopefully can you see that guys let's go maybe get the magnifier uh if I can type there we go magnifier okay so um let's go right there yeah you can see you got the 7200 is running right and so now um I've gone ahead I'm not going to spend all that time to go through and run through the entire mem test Suite because I've already done that so um let me go ahead and just show you the next step if you would want to my recommendation for doing your memory stress test after you hopefully done the mem test is you can use an application like occt so you can launch occt and check your memory and my recommendation is start with a value of 15 minutes a 15 minutes passes then go ahead and expand that and move over to one hour if you can generally pass one hour you should be pretty confident that the memory isn't have any issues and so right here you can see this is a one hour fully complete in terms of the memory passing I did it literally right there when it was still under the full load right at the end you can see that is on the Maximus e690 hero right the memory was under that full load 7200 Mt it's the same kit of memory that Corsair memory right so everything is running copacetic so again really impressive that Raptor lake is now affording you the ability to run 7 200 memory overall the new average like I said is about 7000 to 7200 and then like I said a little bit better imc's you'll start to scale into 74 to 72 six and then you know that even better quality will be in that 76 to 7 800 or maybe even a little bit more than that so pretty awesome okay that is overall gonna be that so um if you were then run the memory test if you're kind of just interested all you have to do to run the memory test is just click this button you can toggle the value right here I like to bump it up to 90 and if you want to change first that 15 minutes you would put 15 minutes right there then click Start and then if you wanted to do the one hour you would then change that back there right and then just do one hour and then run that and then you come back to that and you're good to go another valuable Point too that I would recommend is sometimes if you want to check you can actually check your dram temperature so the dram temperature is logged with an occt right here and you want sometimes want to be able to check on that information okay all right so give me one second here all right so that is going to take you through in terms of that memory and again uh if you kind of just want to check all your kind of corresponding values you would do the same thing that we did before in terms of of course checking your performance so again if you want to kind of load everything up you'd load this up um again geekbench is a great tool to be able to kind of reference performance because it's memory sensitive it's CPU sensitive right so we can kind of do a little bit of all of those right so again you could use that as kind of your Baseline to be able to check that and again you could go ahead and run your test right and so then you would check and kind of compare and contrast your course performance and you would be good to go right um hold on let me see if there's a question right here that's kind of come up see hold on um I have a high-end kit running at 6400 for the z690 here I think I could reach 7200 easily with a 3900k um you should have a pretty good likelihood like I said um right now with most Raptor Lake series CPUs we're seeing 7000 Mt kind of become The New Normal we're still doing some testing interoperability on z690 because like I said there's been a little bit of optimization on trace and kind of signal Integrity where we're getting a little bit more better kind of signal Integrity on z790 but overall I would say that your experience will be improved you can scale beyond that on z690 with 13 gen if you decide you want to upgrade but if you're ready right now running 6400 I'm assuming you probably have like a 12700k 12 900k I don't think you need to upgrade your CPU um you know if you maybe have like a 12 600 and you've got that money and you want to jump to like a 13 600 go for it it's a really nice jump in terms of uh really kind of getting into that next level of performance so overall you can see here so overall you can see now that we've gone ahead and reached this of course 6.2 gigahertz right is now set as that Peak level of performance 61 61 59 59 58 and so you'll remember this has gone ahead and modified that and if we also want to check this again to compare our values we can go back to if I told you guys right you can have your kind of screenshot there right that you have for your Baseline uh sorry wrong one is this our Baseline yeah that's our Baseline right and so let's go ahead and kind of just do the compare and contrast here so there we go right uh this is gonna be a little bit tricky right but more or less right there right so there we can see there's kind of stock right so stock is 55 to 58 and now here we can see what have we achieved right 62 61 61 59 59 58 and that was all done with through the Asus AFC we went ahead and adjusted the optimism scale right to give us even a little bit more of an aggressive option right and we also are still leveraging nice efficient adaptive voltage policies we have the thermal velocity boost offsets that are also being present right so that's when again you can kind of compare and contrast and you can see this is a huge uplift in terms of just giving you more flexibility and even though there's a lot of people that are talking about of course the temperatures being right again when we took a look at the temperatures right now at that Peak over clock the highest that we got to was 88 and that's only under that Peak right and keep in mind that again when we measured that under gaming gaming would actually be lower right so you know I wouldn't I don't be kind of concerned that it's going to be super super hot in that regard right so overall that kind of gives you a breakdown there let's um lastly let's go through I guess and enable like the cache functionality so the next step right because we have of course remember we've got now the seven 7 200 Mega transfers right in terms of the memory 6.2 in terms of the peak OC and so now we're going to do the dynamic cache switcher technology okay so let's go ahead and reboot this I'm going to go back into my UEFI guys here and give me one second hey Ultra Precision Technologies man happy to have you here thanks so much uh for joining us sorry if I missed the stream what is the safe value for the memory temp is it a safe temperature for the same as ddr4 and d85 actually it's it is a little bit different um the good thing is I'll tell you is that overall ddr5 is quite uh good in terms of that one of the really nice thing is that also all ddr5 modules actually have on a board temperature sensors so ddr4 did not always have this present so you can actually nominally check very easily across all ddr5 memory um I can tell you that there are some differences most memory reviews if there are memory reviews they don't talk about it but there is actually some much better quality dims than others when it comes to their heat dissipation characteristics and once you get to a very heavy sustained level of load and so what I mean by heavy sustainable load is you're talking about memory being fully saturated under 70 80 90 or 100 almost usage that's when then sometimes you want to account a little bit more for thermals from a gaming perspective don't be worried if you see it with you know 45 55 even 60 degrees entirely fine it's not even of consequence you don't need to be concerned um if you're somebody that's running a more rendering type environment though and that type of scenario of course for best stability and uptime you would want to try to keep it underneath uh generally normally about an 80 ADC Target um it depends you can actually check the rated specifications for the memory similar like ssds m.2 ssds you'll find most of the m.2 ssds on the market are generally rated for about nominally a 75 degree kind of thermal thermal operating parameter right so just check for your memory and you can kind of work from that perspective all right all right so let's go ahead and um let's go to the next item right here guys so give me one second I'm going to take a quick drink of water right here really quickly all right and the next step that we're going to go to is we're going to enable that cache so how do we enable the cache overclock all we have to do is head over here and we're gonna head into thermal velocity boost okay and once we go into thermal velocity boost right you're going to see that you have a couple of options and this is the brand new option right here you see this one it says cash Dynamic OC switcher and essentially what we're going to do with cache Dynamic OC switcher is to open up the opportunity to be able to essentially overclock the cache but do it in a very intelligent way because normally when you overclock the cache it is going to potentially affect stability especially of the e-course and because e-course can be used for quite a number of different background tasks you ideally want to try to align that overclock to be based on when either they're kind of sleeping or they're not sleeping and this also will align kind of with P cores and whether or not you have your e-cores or your P cores enabled or disabled right and so we give you the granularity to control this so what would kind of be some parameters that you can work with well let's go ahead and show you how this would work okay so all we need to do is go ahead and enable this actually sorry I didn't drink my water give me one second now the current threshold right here we're going to go ahead and set this to 45. now keep in mind that this is a little bit where sometimes there's a little bit of a trial and error you can use this as kind of a starting point for I'd say gaming and light kind of productivity applications but you would want to kind of try out different values depending on your workflow you may find this might need to be a little bit higher or it could be a little bit lower it just depends on your applications but this is a good overall starting point especially if kind of the focus is generally going to be gaming the next step is Right threads to sleep for higher cash gear right and so that's going to be allowing us to essentially have those um those threads essentially not be active so that we can maximize essentially the higher cash overclock right so we're going to go with 24 right now keep in mind on the 3900 excuse me on a 3900k right we've got 32 threads right so here we want to go ahead and essentially uh essentially disable those right and then under the cash ratio now we can go ahead and increase this to like 51 and we don't have to worry about voltages we have auto rules that are in place that will automatically Define those for you you could go ahead and kind of mess them around if you wanted to but you don't necessarily have to and then the Low Cash ratio we want to be able to go ahead and reset that back down and the event when essentially that current threshold is either essentially over or under right so once we've gone ahead and done that we've now reached essentially a three-way kind of overclock right we've got that pretty crazy overclock that we have for the CPU we have of course the overclock for our dram which you can see right there 7200 Mt this is of course showing us light loading 5.9 but course our Peak thermal velocity overclock is actually set all the way to 6.2 gigahertz and now we've also got this 5.1 gigahertz for the actual cache right so for that ring bus so we've got now all of those overclocks enabled so let's go ahead and save and exit okay um so yeah darwinian is saying there's basically zero reasons left to disable the e-cores now so yeah we try to want to give you the best of both worlds right so this kind of Technology really allows you to still benefit from keeping the e-cores active to give you that best performance when you can take advantage of the e-cores right but in scenarios where you essentially can get more benefit from the P cores and driving that frequency and then driving of course the cash right then that's where this is advantageous right and so this is again where Asus is really the leader there's no other company that is spending the time and effort to implement these type of designs features and functions for enthusiast tuning and this is the reason why we really say that you know we are the Innovation leaders when it comes to motherboards I know that sounds biased but really I challenge other companies to show they could have a little commitment that we've done on the r d side year after year to give you these type of options and tools from an Enthusiast perspective so that if you want to get more from your platform you have it available to you right so some pretty cool stuff so um once you've gone ahead and done that right it's pretty straightforward right all you're gonna need to do again if you want to go ahead and check everything out you could go ahead and open this up if you actually open up the task manager it's also going to look a little bit different kind of the norm right you'll see that the uh this would start to kind of look a little bit different once we start to do kind of some loading to it right but we'll still see all the corresponding values that we have here that we've already kind of made an adjustment to we have all our adjustments right there as well that are present right so we're all good to go and we have the same monitoring values that we would again have in place right so again if you want to kind of rerun you could rerun let's go actually let's maybe do something a little bit different I guess we can do maybe a little cinebench run or something like that let's just do single right there and you could do R20 or 23 it doesn't matter I have r23s it's just the first one that I opened up and I didn't kind of just go from pick something kind of just for for whatever right so temps looking all good right there looking good yeah there you can see see recent maximum 5.94 right so is that that peaked up already quite a bit 5.98 six gigahertz there you guys go look at that look we hit that recent maximum we did actually hit six gigahertz six point six point zero four gigahertz so there you guys can see right we actually did it we overclocked we got into the six gigahertz range right uh in terms of actually realizing that and so again keep in mind those values are going to be represented based on the workload and some applications you might be able to see them in other applications you might not see them it just depends of course on what you're going to be running right but you can see right there look at that 5.94 5.98 yeah six gigahertz and 6.04 right so that's pretty sweet right I mean an impressive platform and again you know okay this is only single thread right um but of course on a gaming workload again no problems right here so package temperature we can see the peak is 74 but the recent average which is of course what we really want to take a look at there right you can see is like 59 669 whatever and you can go ahead and then just look at also at per core temperatures I usually like to maybe metric about four of them so you can see I have zero I have zero one right and then um I usually also will take a look at my favorite course right so I'll have those favorite cores also in terms of their temperatures right but overall you guys can see man um over six gigahertz 7200 Mt in terms of our memory and we also have the cash overclocked right so overall pretty sweet right that that's um I think pretty awesome in terms of just overclocking capabilities so um let's go ahead and wrap things up here guys if you guys have any other kind of pending questions we'll definitely do our best to end answer them but let me go ahead and just bring up some last kind of just Recaps right here of some of the items to keep in mind right so um just kind of recapping everything right let's go ahead and just recap right six gigahertz is possible we just showed you right and in my testing I've actually done it I've seen actually 6.1 I've seen over even 6.1 in some applications right so again many of the CPUs on one to two cores you'll be seeing six 6.1 6.2 again remember that the load matters right whether it's light loading versus heavy loading your e-course can support overclocking between you know 4.4 4.5 to about 4.7 gigahertz again there's a difference in terms of the light loading and the heavy loading again when you play also with that new cache OC switcher technology that will allow you to go ahead and take the Best of Both Worlds where you can disable the e-course to be able to get that higher clocks performance from the p-course right but then also as soon as you want to be able to be leveraging your e-course the e-course can come back into place and you'll get better performance but you'll also when those e-cores are essentially dropped out then you can also make sure that they have that ring bus and that cache be bumped up as well right attempts under gaming and desktop loads are entirely fine right so a perspective of saying that these things run super hot they're entirely fine you can run a 240 280 360 AIO or if you got custom water cooling fantastic if you're doing General productivity if you're doing General gaming no problems if you're somebody that's a professional Creator and you're running sustained heavy multi-threaded workloads yes you need to make sure to have a big robust cooler and you're probably not going to be looking at overclocking or you're going to maybe just look at looking to have enhanced power limits so leaving things like multi-core enhancement enabled to give you a little bit more power Headroom so that you're more opportunistically boosting right but you're probably not going to be doing the same type of setup that we just went over here the IMC has improved right there's a new expectation for ddr5 you're going to be seeing a move from seeing a lot of the CPUs being able to hit that 6000 6200 6400 you're now going to be seeing 7072 7400 in those two dim configurations there is also a bit of an improvement within 4dim as you guys saw I showed you four dimensions 1000 Mt and I've also showed you two dim and 7200 Mt okay and uh Max performance if you want the best then you want to overclock the CPU you want to overclock the dram and you want to overclock the cache and guess what we make it easy for you you can do with Asus AIC you can do with the dynamic OC cache switching technology and of course we have Best in Class XMP memory support so that uh gets you carrier there gets gets you covered with uh hopefully some good tips and tricks guys all right um let me go ahead and just see if we got any questions from anybody here all right let me see uh what's up with the pixels hey RC cosplay thanks for the feedback so that's not a ryugen 3 it's the ryu3 so actually the Ryu um is a different unit so the ryogen three excuse me there is no ryugen three we are considering a Next Generation ryogen but not anytime soon so the ryogen 2 will be out at the same time as the ryu3 so they're two different models if you want the fully cut and customizable display then go with that if you want the pixel anime Matrix display which has been really popular on these boards and go with that but also keep in mind that the ryu3 also has an 8th gen acetec pump it has a different base plate which is also a larger and higher performing it has more internal liquid right it has a different actually three-phase motor design so there's a lot of performance benefits too outside of also the cool new ID design that we have there that actually a lot of people have had in our polling we actually had about a 50 50 split 50 of people like a circular head and fifty percent of people like a square head and so we're not changing that we're keeping both if you want to go with the square head go with the ryogen and if you want to go with the circle head go with the Ryu okay all right let's see b b m k d and f is speaking of the ISC what results have you gone from 120 gigabyte I haven't done any new 128 gigabyte testing so I'd probably say check back in a little bit I'll probably have some updated results that I'll do in the pcdiy group the kit that I have right now is 128 gigabytes and also for most of our team generally those kits they're not actually kits because there is no 128 gigabyte but you know with Alder Lake you could already do 128 gigabytes at 4 800 to 5000 Mt my expectation is that you'll probably see about a maybe uh you know 10 to about 20 percent uplift in there so I would say that you can see you know maybe 120 gigabytes moving into the 52 to maybe 5600 range for 128 gigabytes okay uh let me just see it here um Casey is saying 1.43 the keep in mind the voltage right if we actually go back and also track that voltage you're just looking at the peak you actually want to look at the average you'll actually find that normally the average probably voltage is probably going to be closer to around 1.25 and the other important part like I already showed in the past right is if we actually go back here when you take a look at the voltages right it's very important that you keep in mind that your voltage is we use what's called an Adaptive voltage policy so adaptive voltage policy is very efficient so that means that we're not keeping this voltage static you know across whatever workload you're doing which would also cause a higher level of voltage degradation and other kind of concerns right so the thing you know I already showed this before right but if you take a look right here we're going to see that that frequency is going to go up and down but that voltage is going to go dropping down so unlike a lot of manual overclockers which to be frank sometimes they get lazy and they don't want to take advantage of something like a VF curve or an Adaptive voltage or even offsets they just go for a static voltage we don't do that we use really the best option for overclocking per core which is going to be adaptive per core overclocking so that voltage is going to come down be nice and light and only when we're incrementally increasing those bins those multipliers are we then adding in that voltage right and then once you normalize that also accounting for the LLC the actual voltage on average is actually underneath that value set okay all right um see right there real world performance in fps and games what's the benefit from this OC what can we expect on average hey Bane I can't tell you that because it really varies so much right like on my workload I do a lot of different things on my system I do everything from just decompressing and compressing applications to uh you know of course gaming to you know even web browsing performance one of my favorite benchmarks run web browser benchmarks like browser bench you can actually notice some nice performance uplifts not only from dram but also from CPU frequency so it really depends you know you could be seeing a few percent so you could be seeing 10 you could be seeing more it just it's it's hard to know I think the main point of what I'm just trying to illustrate here is the margin that you have available on the platform and also what's possible right and so then it just really comes down to you as far as whether you want those performance uplifts I mean you're buying an overclocking part you'll probably have a good motherboard you have a nice cooler so why not take advantage of it again you don't have to if you don't want to Performance is already fantastic at stock so if you don't want to do that you don't have to but the goal here this stream is to try to just give you an example of the performance benefits that are possible Right somebody's asking is that when can we maybe see 76 7800 I can't give you specifics on that I would say stay tuned for memory Partners but definitely as we get ready to get into the end of the year and move into 2023 you're going to start seeing a lot more high frequency kits that are breaking the 7000 Mt barrier okay assembling a z790 3900k and a strix 40 90. wow awesome man fantastic thanks so much for being team Rog team Maximus and team strix make sure to submit your build for our PC DIY Builder Spotlight if you're not part of our group make sure to join the group it's linked in the description we feature custom builds by Builders from the community every week in our normal PC DIY stream this week we didn't do it because we were doing this overclocking live stream okay but um that sounds like an awesome build man thank you so much all right um let me go ahead and just see if you got any last questions right there hey I have a 12 900k um so let's see right here I have a 12900k and an Asus z690e motherboard what are the best settings on the motherboard for my processor without overclocking um well if you're not going to overclock that would even be dram XMP is overclocking so are you not even wanting to run XMP um if you you know and best settings I think also are very dependent if you're talking about the best settings for lower temps that would be different than the best settings for performance right if you just want stable reliability and you just want great performance and you don't want to worry about overclocking just do F5 literally don't make any changes load F5 and that's it now if you bought higher frequency memory that will mean that the memory is not going to be running at its rated profile so you would want to probably at least enable XMP um now there's one option and I can show it to you one more time I already showed it to people in the past there is an option in the UEFI bios that is called enforce all limits or enhanced kind of limits and this just allows kind of the CPU to have a little bit more power Headroom available to it to have more aggressive and kind of higher performing boosting parameter I would recommend leaving that enabled as opposed to forcing the Intel defaults because you have a very good motherboard and I'm assuming you have a good cooler so for me you don't have to kind of tune more than that but I would at least use those parameters and you can have a great experience from your system okay uh have you gone into the average power draw on the 3900k when you're doing this I haven't kind of I haven't done that but I did already show that a little bit earlier so if we go back here and you do look at that you do have that information available to you right you can't go ahead and pull that up it's not really again that much of a factor because you're not talking about crazy power draw when you are um sorry let me actually go back I'll go back and show it here in a second but you're not worrying about kind of crazy power draw when you're under essentially a nominal workload right essentially a load that's not super crazy right when you're talking about kind of like gaming related workloads it's not going to be anywhere near the high power envelope that you see under these multi-threaded stress tests right so when you see kind of like you know the communication saying like oh 300 watts okay that is legitimate if you're going to be running blender but if you're talking about gaming if you're talking about other scenarios you know you're talking you're talking considerably you could be talking about half that you could be like you know 90 100 2550 so the overall power envelope is quite reasonable that's the reason why I said you know keep in mind I'm using a 650 watt power supply right so even when I was running the game load test in the overclock situation that was on a 650 watt power supply okay so you don't have to kind of be super crazy in terms of kind of what you're doing it just depends on what your workloads are now again if you're in a professional workflow scenario it's going to be different the power draw will be significantly higher but if you're just talking about gaming desktop productivity things along those lines it's not something I would be super concerned with right um Stardust is saying what are your thoughts on power limiting um but also overclocking is that counterproductive so power limiting I'm assuming that that's kind of like what we showed in the very beginning when we showed the very first performance example where we did Force Intel defaults that wouldn't even be power limiting that just means that we'd be adhering exactly to the quote-unquote default rated spec as opposed to also Intel does technically allow for an increased power envelope and that to be applied to get better performance um for me in my perspective I think that that is an option that you should at least maintain because you're getting that performance especially if you got a good motherboard and a good cooler there's no reason to not take advantage of that especially because like I said most users are not running sustained heavy loading now if you're talking about something like undervolting or stuff like that I don't know if that to me necessarily makes that much sense because I think that the part is actually already pretty efficient it's it's not only actually quite good in terms of the overall kind of power envelope under normal desktop use so I don't feel that there's a heavy requirement to do that so so I don't think you really should be kind of going in power limiting now there are some cool options in aioc if you did want to maybe have some Suburban targets like you want to have like a temperature Target you could even dial in an overclock that would be temperature Target based but if you remember in the values that we showed you for the thermal velocity boost we already predefined thermal velocity boost characteristics that have temperature targets so only if the CPUs under that temperature will we attempt to ramp up to those additional frequencies as well right so that's already kind of built into the Asus aioc logic but if you're talking about from a baseline perspective there are some options but I really don't think that it makes sense I think that you know if you're adopting into a 13 gen series processor you want to get the performance that's at least advertised and I think um I I would keep it essentially at least at those stock parameters I wouldn't go about kind of doing customized power envelopes or um you know undervolting or things along those lines okay um board Erica says do you run prime95 as a hobby no I don't like prime95 I don't see the point in it it's a synthetic based workload um you know it does have a an actual real world value right for people that are actually looking for PI right but from a stress testing standpoint for me I like to use applications and the reality is applications can sometimes actually be more stressful in terms of how they exercise the entirety of the CPU and the platform you know exchanging memory across the storage bus the memory bus the cache the CPU working across the GPU I prefer real applications as far as kind of being my benchmarks but I do use a couple of kind of key utilities to stress so my kind of default preference is I'm a big fan of occt and then I can follow that up with a couple of other stress tests whether that's going to be an a to 64. um I still actually like size off santra PassMark burning test is a good utility as well and prime95 does still work as a good test and especially if I want to break it down between you know different fft sizes it is still a good stress test but it's the important thing is it's not representative of really any normal workloads for normal users and Gamers right that's the important part to keep in mind correct yeah BM kdnf says crazy Bauer draws mostly reserved for us prosumers and develop that compile large code bases yes that's right um if you're in one of those segments yeah you are going to be consuming more power but you're also probably running a more nominal kind of clock you're not probably overclocking as well so the power envelopes are not going to be as much of a concern do you know what runs hotter is a 12 900 KS or 1300k I would actually say that they're going to be pretty similar and in some scenarios actually I'd say the 3900k might be a little bit kind of smoother in some regards right but it's going to be pretty pretty similar okay all right um we'll go ahead and wrap it up with last question here um Mr uh from Germany um all the features that Asus approves um sorry hold on let me just click that so I can read it hi from Germany all of the features that Asus gives us gives me a ride to run all my systems since 12 years on Asus I quality motherboards man thank you so much I really appreciate that and if you're not part of our Asus pcii group I'd love for you to share your system in the group so it's linked in the description but really thank you for your support you know without amazing members in our community and users we wouldn't be where we are so um that's the reason why we're doing these streams hopefully give you better insight into understanding the features functions and designs that we have all right uh so last question Jester says in terms of an AIO cooling for the 3900k is it possible to use a larger coal plate one made from threaded Ripper larger size CPUs or for better cooling or is a 420 size okay so long story short you're just saying if like you have more contact right more of a surface area um I would say if you really care about temperatures go to custom water cooling this new Ryu cooler that we showed actually does have a bigger base plate it's an 8th gen base plate so it is larger um but you don't need to do that you don't need to go I think really if you get a nice 360 like the Ryu Jin or the astrix LC or the Ryu you're going to have great cooling performance you don't have to worry about that but if you really kind of super super super care about the lowest temperatures then of course water cooling is your friend right all right that wraps up everything if anybody has any other questions feel free to go ahead and join our PC DIY group it's linked in the description so you guys can go ahead and join us there if you guys are catching us on demand hopefully you found this content interesting useful and relevant to you if you are going to be Performance Tuning your 13th gen series processor on your Asus z790 series motherboard keep in mind that the Asus AIC technology that I did talk about is only applicable on Asus AOC enabled based motherboards but all the other things that I talked about do kind of hold true in terms of the platform as a whole okay so Asus AOC is present on our Rog Maximus series on our Rog strict series and on our pro at motherboards but it's not on the prime and is not on the tough gaming models for those you can do manual tuning either through the UEFI or you can also take advantage of it in XTU all right man take care take it easy enjoy the rest of your day best of luck with your builds and hopefully I will see you guys in the Asus PC Highway group take care

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Length: 128min 14sec (7694 seconds)

Published: Sat Oct 22 2022