13900K and 14900K Power Draw and Crashing Fixed Easy.

hey what's up guys Talon back with a new video uh today I'm going to show you how to fix your uh 13th gen and 14th gen I9 CPU if you're experiencing crashing um and the problem lies with not with the CPU it actually relies with the motherboard vendors and their uh default quote unquote um power settings and current settings that they're setting for your CPU um basically by default out of box they're running these CPUs completely unregulated and uh in terms of power and current um and the reason for that is to basically ensure that when they go to get the motherboard reviewed uh a lot of them are really concerned with getting every single point on cine bench or any other metric that they're being tested on so basically they're defaulting these CPUs to run just completely unregulated at a box and they're not designed to do that the spec of the CPU is that it runs at a Max long-term or short-term power of 253 watts and then uh short-term power as well or long-term power as well 253 Watts they can run both if you have a KS chip I think there's an extreme profile that Intel allows up to 320 Watts um but the standard K and KF chips are supposed to run at 253 watts and I believe 320 or 400 amp somewhere in there there is a spec like PDF that you can download that uh spe ifies all this it's very difficult to find on the internet but Intel does have it floating around out there and you can find it I believe you can find it on their website but it it again it's very difficult to find it you have to dig a little bit to find it and it will lay out how much power and how much current the CPU is certified to actually use and operating outside of those parameters you're act you're just pushing the chip Beyond its specification eventually will lead to degradation and potentially eventually failure of the chip uh in the interim you'll have crashing and issues like that um so the only thing you have to do when you first actually boot the system when you put in uh a new CPU if I were to take this CPU out even if it's not new and put it back in the assus motherboard will detect it as a new CPU installation and when you first boot up and it only happens that first time when you first install most people don't pay attention they're not reading uh what's on their screen it actually asks do you want to use Intel default settings or do you want to use the Asus optimized 9 99.9% of people select Asus optimized almost every single person does um and I think it's because it's kind of hidden in the message that you want to use the Intel spec or do you want to hit the F1 key and go into the BIOS with Asus optimized or or F2 uh whatever the key is um so most people are hitting the assus optimized settings well the assus optimized settings when you first load in you come into extreme tweaker um XMP is not selected uh it'll just be on auto I use xmp1 the reason I use xmp1 is that it loads not only the default profile the XMP profile from the chip or from the you know from the actual dim that's programmed on but it also loads in uh some assus optimized settings and tweaks uh Beyond just the P the primary timings and that just helps for compatibility potentially optimization and performance optimizations that they found uh it will go ahead and tweak for those as well um so I am using 8,000 CL 38 uh 2x 24 M die sticks I have them running at 8200 CL 38 and the way you can do that is you just select XMP and then you come down uh and you would select here manually the dam frequency now let's say you have a kit and you uh I am using an apex board so I can run very high memory speed but let's say you're running something like a stricks or herob board you can still select your XMP but then just come down and manually derate that down so it will still load in the XMP it'll load the speed at first and then you come down here and you select it down um and it will then allow you to use the XMP profile and timings but you can run it at a lower speed so maybe 7,400 or 76 or 72 whatever you can get stable on your CPU um and it it has to do with the board not the CPU it could be a bad memory controller but 99% of the time for dim boards just do not run High memory speed you have to have an apex or uh a tachon or what maybe the new MSI z uh M Power whatever it's being called Uh there's a few other ITX Boards out there that have two dims as well but you basically have to have those there's a couple boards the four dim boards like the Nova for example can run like 76 78 uh maybe 8,000 if you're lucky if you don't care about running full stability but basically if you want really high speeds you have to have that two dim board so it will also set until adap to boost technology to Auto leave this alone assus multi enhancement Auto let the BIOS optimize again leave it alone you do not have to disable this stuff don't listen to any of these videos that are telling you to go in and to downclock your CPU manually or to turn off multicore enhancement we're not going to do any of that we're just going to leave it all in Auto it's very simple your svid behavior I've seen this talked about people are saying come down here and put in Intel fail safe don't do that either if you read down here Intel's fail safe setting is a default behavior of the processor oblivious to the actual motherboard design basically what this is is it's a failsafe V ID table that is going to be guaranteed to basically work on an Intel most likely reference board with a very very very different electrical design and vrm design it's telling you right here that the CPU does not know what the vrm design is and it's going to request very high voltage if you do that and you are using a very highend board which most most of you are if you're using a DIY segment board they're much more robust in power delivery and vrm design than your typical reference board that Intel may be using to design these chips or maybe the uh motherboard manufacturers are using to design their chips early on it doesn't know that it has that good so it can request a very high uh voltage which is the vi T that's what the vid is saying it's requesting that voltage from the SE from the motherboard uh if you have a robust um vrm and electrical design it can supply high amounts of voltage and current to the chip that's going to cause the chip to get very very hot it's going to consume way more voltage and potentially hurt or degrade the chip over time I would not use this setting this is stupid do not use this I think Auto uses typical scenario which is basically kind of accounting for like an average chip best case scenario if you have a really good chip you could select this if you decided hey I don't want to manually undervolt and you have a very good chip maybe you know you have a really high SP chip maybe use best case scenario and don't undervolt that's kind of up to you and then worst case scenario maybe if typical is just not working but at least in worst case scenario it understands what the electrical design is of um of this chip and it should work uh but you should never have to tweak this in my opinion just leave it on auto and move on with your life leave it on auto don't mess with this come down uh you don't have to change anything here nothing nothing nothing nothing you're going to go to your Digi vrm you can choose three or four if you have an assus board don't use this setting if you have any other manufacturers um board because some boards use level one is the highest LLC some use level eight as the highest LLC some don't even have all these levels reference your board pick somewhere sort of in the middle you do want some vrou you do not want a constant voltage even underload going to the CPU they they're designed to drop in voltage when they're loaded they have a higher idle voltage because at idle clocks you get a slightly higher boost clock when not A lot's going on say 6 GHz or 6.2 or 5.8 whatever it may be an idle voltage needs to be slightly higher to drive that idle clock speed it it it's lightly loaded clock speeds but when you're under heavy load and you're under heavy AVX instructions and the clock speeds drop down your voltage in will also drop down and and and keep the CPU stable but also won't burn it up and cause it to consume tons of power and get very very hot so you do want some beo that is very normal you will see a higher idle voltage not going to hurt the chip when it's underload it will be much lower again it's not going to hurt the chip so put this on three or four I believe Auto is three I use four says recommended for OC I don't actually OC but I've always used for and it does have V Dro and that's exactly what you want and I found it to work pretty well so that's what I've stuck with this is where we need to go this is how you're going to fix everything you're going to go to your internal CPU power management you're going to come down here by default if you don't change the CPU core cache current limit this will be set to over 500 amps that is out of spec set it to 400 set it to 320 or set it somewhere in between there you can mess around with it and figure out what works for you temps wise and stability wise um for 00 being the upper limit I would say that I think that's the max Intel recommends um and then you're going to come down to your long duration package power limit and your short duration package power limit by default if you use asus's optimized settings these are going to be set to 4095 that doesn't mean it's going to use 4,95 Watts it just says that it can in theory it could use up to that right it basically just unlimits it you're never going to hit that obviously the you wouldn't be able to sustain 4 4095 you don't have a power supply it would overheat it would melt it would die it just unlimits it we're going to set these both to 253 so we actually have a real limit in place this is just saying that if you were to set these differently if you had short and longterm set the different Power limits it would first go to the short term whatever it is then it would come to this package power time window whatever you have set here I have it on auto because I'm not not using that because I'm setting the values to the same thing it would then go to the long term so you could set this to 253 and maybe this to 200 if you wanted but then you're not going to get the CPU you really paid for under certain loads in my opinion Intel does allow for them to be matched so I would set these both to 253 it will always then run at a maximum when it needs it up to 253 Watts which is perfectly coolable by all 360 mm liquid coolers or 420 whatever you're may be using maybe even a a 280 can also cool that maybe a 240 but a 280 360 they have pretty much the same cooling capacity just different size dimensions but they're very close and their cooling capacity 420 being slightly better as well a 240 maybe but just set these to 253 and you'll be fine on that uh and your CPU core and current set that to 400 you should be fine on that as well these are the things you need to change right there that's it you just need to change these these can not be unlimited that's not good for the chip all right once you do that pretty much everything is set now what I'm going to do is I'm going to show you how the chip acts if you don't do any of this okay so we're going to come in here and I'm going to set the internal power management to Auto this is going to unlimit this I'm going to set this to auto and I'm going to set this to Auto okay then I'm going to go back I'm not going to mess with dig vrm I don't need to do that and right now I have the CPU also undervolted I'm going to set that back to Auto that's it I'm going to keep my XMP and I'm going to put the CPU back in a auto State and let the BIOS do everything now I am cooling the CPU with a 420 mm Corsair liquid cooler um and I'm using a really really crappy kryonaut uh uh thermal Grizzly sheet whatever they're called um it doesn't work very well it it does good for gaming and the reason I'm using it is because I swap CPUs out and parts out kind of regularly or had been recently testing chips and whatnot um um and it doesn't it it's easy to just take the cryle sheet off and put the cryo sheet back on and I just need to do something here real quick guys and by doing that um it doesn't make a mess on the CPU and allows me to do it much faster this Crow sheet works fine for gaming temps are pretty decent but when you place it under heavy load or or uh more sustained load it can't keep up with a good thermal paste and uh definitely doesn't do as well as something like PTM 77958 thermal paste uh which is that phase change stuff that's what I'm going to put on soon maybe today because I am sticking with CP I've got in there now uh which is a 14900 k um it just doesn't do as well uh when it gets to higher temperatures and higher power limits trying to Wick away that heat it just can't keep up all right so now we are in uh back in Wind windows and we have the default um setting set which is going to be unlimited now if you don't have a good enough cooler this is going to cause issues uh it's going to cause the CPU to get really really hot I'm going to move this slightly to the left I opened up Hardware info 64 over here and uh you can see that we have no undervolt or anything set our power limits actually it looks like actually Intel or Asus is finally on to something here they've actually set on this is the newest bios they've actually set the long-term or the short-term power limit to 4095 but the longterm being because it's a KS chip they've actually set that to 320 Watts that's that extreme profile is telling you about so it does seem that some motherboard vendors are starting to wake up this is a very new beta bios I don't know um it looks like they're finally like oh 4095 350 400 watts to the CPU by default it's not a very good idea so I'm wondering if they've set this if that's going to override and what what a lot of people are getting is 4095 so I may have to go into and manually set that myself so I've never actually tested this um to see what it does I'm curious what they set the uh the actual uh uh current limit then to as well all right so we're going to go ahead and we're going to run this test on cinebench R23 and we're going to see what the temps do and we're going to see what the power does uh let's see CPU package power should be right there and we've got the temps and we've got the core ratios here as well so we'll see what those do so we'll hit start just a single run 100° Celsius CPU package power 385 Watts 101 100 10090 we're at about 55 to 56 and we're drawing see if I can find the amperage here 30 in1 amps Peak we got 4378 on a 14900 K and again I told you guys that that thermal pad cannot Wick away that kind of heat if I were using a really good thermal paste um like PTM which I'll put in there later it would do much better probably about 15 Dees cels so probably keep it around mid 80s or so but it would still use all of that power probably score a little bit higher probably in the mid 4 or 41s or so uh maybe 42 because of that it was thermal throttling back immediately not power or current throttling but you can see just how absurd that is for 40,000 points um we drew 389 Watts Peak that is just stupid really is it's it's really really stupid um I am curious now if we load a game so we're going to load up Battlefield 2042 so we'll just turn my fan on here for the GPU uh and I'll show you guys as well I'm going to reset this now we don't want to reset the temps and reset all the monitoring software 389 40,000 points I think it was 40,300 that is just at 101 Peak that's really really bad for your chip it's wildly out of spec the current and the power uh that it was pulling is is going to hurt the chip over time especially when I've seen people just sit here and Hammer this all day long trying to find why isn't my chip performing right why isn't it you know and they're just beating on the chip and then they're wondering why you know weeks or maybe a month later of doing that and not actually used just using the chip their chip is starting to degrade I love coffee all right so we're going to load in the game here Battlefield 2042 seems to be a game that is also having issues with loading I've noticed it on other systems if you're not setting the power limits it will load up especially esally during first installation or right after a driver uh install it has to do Shader compilation it will cause this to just shut down and crash now just loading the game here package power was 193 Watts just loading the game let's begin pleas so it seems to be working fine and this is what people reporting is crashing but it could also be that their chip isn't as good or can't sustain this or maybe their cooler is is worse even than this 420 with that shitty thermal pad thing I'm using in there and it's causing it to get very very hot during loading and it's causing it to crash it's causing it to become unstable so that clearly didn't crash um it may have crashed during map loading I guess I could have attempted that but I want to go back into the BIOS and now set actual limits so let's go ahead and restart now obviously by setting limits you are going to give up performance when you're doing heavy multicore but that is the actual performance you should be getting at stock Behavior if you were to follow their power limit specs now obviously it's an unlock chip I can see people out there arguing well I paid for an unlock chip I paid for you know all that performance I should be getting that not have to clamp things down but you should follow the power and current spec uh you can still go in and tweak and tune and undervolt and overclock if you want and then you can bypass the power a little bit if you want as well you paid for an unlock chip sure go ahead and do that but setting the unlock the unlimited limits and not having the cooling uh capability is where the problem is coming from so we're going to go back to the internal CPU power management and you can see what it did set it's 51.75 amps by default okay you don't need that we're going to set 253 for both the short and the long term and you can it did set 320 for longterm and 495 for the uh shortterm like I said so they are at least stepping in a little bit saying okay after 96 seconds we're going to let it run at 320 Watts all day long what I'm going to do is just have it run at 253 forever which is the spec at 400 watts now I'm not going to undervolt this time we're just going to load those and we're going to go back into the um system now the CPU is going to hit a peak of 253 watts and it will sustain that 247 all day long if you were to sit there and just hammer on the system so I just have to do one more thing here guys okay all right so we're back in the system now load up Hardware info 64 again I'm going to open CCH R23 now we're running Intel's no undervolt uh but we are running their power limits that they put in place for the chip all right so now you can see we have a short and long-term power limit here of 253 Watts so we'll run this test again here's our temperatures 69 60 so we're running about 70s on the P course low 70s low 60s on the eour about 51 to 52 so of course our clock speeds have dropped down significantly right because now we're clamping it it's expecting 253 Watts there on the package power so there's 38368 so we lost like 2,000 points but we also gave up 100 watts of power and our CPU is now running perfectly happy all day long but this is really how your chip should be acting if you enforce that power limit and you actually you know abide by that's kind of how your chip should be running so now that we know that we'll go ahead and we're going to go back in the Bios now I want to get a little bit of that performance back I have really good silicon so why don't I try an undervolt so I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to place an undervolt on the chip but I'm still going to respect the power limit that Intel has put in place uh for the CPU and now you can't use the undervolt I'm using every chip will be different most chips at a minimum about 50 molts is what you can kind of do uh maximal probably somewhere around where I'm at it all depends on your chip as well you don't have to use 253 Watts this is just the max that they put in Spec maybe you want 275 maybe you want 280 but don't be pushing 350 380 watts to your CPU at unlimited current that's just stupid it's just really really dumb all right we're going to go back to the internal CPU power management so you could put something here like two 70 or 275 or 280 if you have the cooling and it's stable and it's not causing crashing issues go ahead and use slightly higher if you want if you want to get a little bit more performance out of the chip you don't want it to Throttle Down Under heavy load now even at 253 you will not throttle the clock speeds for gaming you're going to get five on this chip for 1400 KS it will run at 5.9 GHz all day long in gaming no problem during Shader compilation or maybe map loading it may dip slightly to 5.7 something like that if if you hit 253 briefly but as soon as you get into a game you're running even if you're running a 10 AP unlimited FPS uh you're not going to exceed that you're just you're not going to do it okay so the package power is set so I'm just going to come down and we're going to set that uh that undervolt for the CPU so I'm going to go to the global core S SPID voltage and I'll set that to Adaptive negative for the offset mode and I put 135 molts so that's 0.135 so I'm going to exit save that so for gaming you're not going to give up a single frame per second by putting this power limit in place you are still going to get those boost clocks that they advertise for gaming it's just going to Throttle Down when it's under heavy heavy load to you know to prevent it a from overheating to using ridiculous power and and it's not giving up that much performance we went from 380 watts to 253 and we gave up 2,000 points in cin bench big deal really not a big deal guys and look at how much better the attempts were even with this really crappy thermal pattern so if I were using a good thermal paste it would be even lower all right so we're back on the desktop we're going to open up cin bench again but now we have the power limit in place and we're also going to put a undervolt on the CPU all right so scrolling down here we got our P cores or E cores temperatures you can see now we have a uh uh core offset of 135 molts and we still have our 253 watt limits for the long-term and short-term power so go ahead and start and now our core ratio around 40 uh 54 to 55 to 56 about 70s low 70s still on the peor low 60s on the eour we're still pulling two 253 Watts still holding 55 to 56 44 on the EC course and we scored 4,651 points so now we scored higher than out of box ridiculous settings we only consumed 253 watts and the pack uh package power temp Peak was about 75° I think it actually listed here 76° C was the peak temperature even with that thermal pad so if I were to be using good thermal paste temperatures be even lower so that's it guys that's how you fix your CPU and how you get it to run uh more optimally the way it should be running now not everybody's going to be able to undervolt that same exact way but it's uh you are going to be able to undervolt some almost every single chip can undervolt uh even my worst chips at least 50 to -75 molts somewhere in in that range uh and still be totally stable and so you can get back most of that performance and still respect Intel's limits uh and potentially in this case we got more performance than stock and we didn't use 380 Watts we used 253 Watts we just shaved off 130 watts and we scored higher so that's it guys that's what I wanted to show you I will show you it will load Battlefield in this state as well no problems we'll come back in we'll turn on fans speed back on and increase our power limit on the GPU I'm going to reset this so that we can reset the uh temp and power draw and we'll see what it does here so we're going to open up Battlefield 2042 hopefully this video is useful to some of you out there if you have an isus motherboard it should be very very similar uh in terms of settings in the in the Bios their UEFI bios is pretty standard there are a few changes across their spectrum of uh of BIOS simply because some of the boards have different options they may have certain features that the other boards don't have and it really just depends on on which board you have but most of the features 99% are there and they're the same there's just maybe a 1% change uh depending on which board you may have or even CPU could change uh and Uno certain options all right so we loaded up the game here we pulled a peak package power now of 145 Watts We Just sh shaved off like what 50 Watts uh and we're running in the 40s and 30s on the uh the cores there so I'll show you we'll load into a a map this is also where package power and uh consumption should Spike as it loads um any Battlefield 2042 map or any Battlefield map you go play Battlefield B it's always the same you get that huge Spike as the map is loading um and you can see here as we're loading package power is about 150 watts down to 103 108 Watts still 149 is our Peak and we're running at 5.9 on the PE course 4.5 in the E course so it's waiting in a Lobby I'm not going to sit here and wait for this that's kind of ridiculous um so I'll go ahead and and leave I just wanted to demonstrate that it can load the map yada y y so yeah 5.9 4.5 on the eor let's begin please no issues at all so that's it guys that's what I wanted to show you that took almost 30 minutes to go through and demonstrate to you how to properly set up your 13 14 gen CPU the motherboard vendors should be locking Intel needs to step in and lock this down by default I'm not saying lock it down permanently I'm saying lock it down by default so that anybody who doesn't know what they're doing puts their CPU in and then should be able to just work out of box at the defaults and then if they want to go in the Bios and increase the power limits change the voltages yada yada yada then they can do that it's an unlock chip but it should be respecting these limits out of box and they wouldn't be having these issues with people going on uh and then watching bad advice telling them to run the uh svi on Intel fails safe or to downclock their CPU or whatever it is whatever the case may be it's just it's absolutely Insanity to me seeing all this misinformation being spread all over the Internet with people that just really don't know what they're doing so anyways guys hope that was useful I will catch you in the next one peace out

Channel: Talon's Tech

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Keywords: 13900K, 13900KS, 14900K, 14900KS, Crashing, BSOD, Out of Memory, i9, Intel, Power, Temps, Nvidia, RTX, AMD, Gaming, Hell Divers 2 Crash, BF2042 Crash, Unreal Engine Crash

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Length: 30min 46sec (1846 seconds)

Published: Sat Apr 13 2024