How To FIGHT VIRUSES & NEVER GET SICK AGAIN | Dr. Steven Gundry & Lewis Howes

we missed the fact that there was this symbiotic sentient being that was not only living in us but was directing us i think you gotta have a dream the school of greatness really yeah please welcome welcome back everyone to the school of greatness we have the icon dr steven gundry in the house i'm super glad that you're here you're one of our most popular guests oh my gosh no you are one of our most popular guests and you have so much great information yet every time we come out with an episode there's always some controversy there's always a few people that are questioning your research that are thinking well what about this what about this we get 90 amazing comments of people that are like yes i love this information 10 question it why do you think people like to question or poo poo on a few of your research or topics or books why do you think that is um you know people you know i'm i guess an irritant to established thoughts and you know i think people see me as a challenge to their thinking what they've always known yeah and you know most of what i espouse now i didn't believe any of this until a little over 20 years ago i mean just you personally personally yeah i mean for instance i i thought supplements made expensive here and i firmly believed that i told my patients that and then you know i saw what happened to big ed all these years ago and i said maybe maybe i should look into this so i started playing with myself with supplements um and then when i you know started 20 years ago this restorative medicine practice i approached it as a research project because i've been a researcher all my life and so i'd tell patients look you know go to costco go to trader joe's there wasn't an amazon back then go to health food store and i want you to buy grape seed extract or i want you to buy fish oil or i want you to buy magnesium and i want you to buy methylfolate and i want you to buy methyl b12 and let's see what happens on your blood work and let's see what happens to you and eventually you know i got so good you'd see the results and then they'd come back in three months and one of these wouldn't be where it was and i said uh you're not taking such and such oh yes i am well no you're not and he said how do you know i said well because you know here it is on your blood work and and we've even published results of looking at people's vascular flexibility how their blood vessels expand and contract which in longevity you are only as young as your blood vessels are flexible and so there's this cool machine is the telomere connected to blood that's different so telomeres are the ends of chromosomes they're the cap on chromosomes okay and if you like the telomere theory of aging which is just one of the theories of aging then you want long telomeres and for instance getting back to a supplement it turns out the people with the highest vitamin d levels in their blood have the longest telomeres really really more vitamin d equals longer telomeres yeah so it's so equals longer life correct hypothetically longer health health span health span yeah so you know the longer you live living well is kind of how you win the game yeah right it's interesting my uh my girlfriend just sent me a clip she's going through health nutrition school right now for herself because she wants to learn about everything she's putting on her body workout nutrition lifestyle and she just sent me a clip of dan from the blue zones talking about blue zones and i just watched a short netflix series last week where they went to sardinia i think it is and they did the research on the blue zone in sardinia and from my understanding correct me if i'm wrong most of the people in the blue zone and sardinia at least don't take supplements correct they just walk up with the hills every day they spend time with their loved ones they go to church they are part of the community they eat more carbs i think it was than protein i believe and they just have a rich lifestyle right so but most people don't have that kind of environment so you're saying we need to have supplements to create more of that environment yeah so that's actually a really good segue um it turns out that if you look at hunter gatherers at least that we can examine they eat about 200 different plant species every year on a rotating basis and they're eating the animals that were eating those plant species as well and so what i tell anyone who will listen is if you think that you can eat 200 different plant species all grown organically and eight feet over the soil yeah then i'll put in with you that you probably don't need any supplementation but none of us do that and in fact if you look at even you know avid organic eaters most of us have these maybe 20 go-to foods that we eat on a rotating basis i have like five maybe well i'm glad you said that i i chicken i eat broccoli and sweet potato pretty much all day yeah so it turns out when i was first doing this it turns out that most people have five go-to meals per week that they repeat over and over and over again and they just how is that bad for us or is that good i think they're throwing mushrooms and they are throwing onions like you know i think all this stuff you tell me to do yeah i think it depends um but i think again if you live in a blue zone and you know i'm the only nutritionist who ever spent his career in a blue zone yeah there's seven blue zones uh it depends on who wants to argue about them with dan and me i mean sure there were blues blue zones discovered since he wrote his book like the atchirolis but you lived you practice in a blue zone and doing 10 000 heart surgeries and you told everyone not to do supplements correct you weren't prescribing these other blue zone methodologies nope you were practicing traditional medicine correct because you know you you know thank goodness there's coronary bypass surgery to you know fix you up fix you up fix you up don't worry about what you eat just fix the heart this way and then you're you're good you're good but and i'll see you in five years when you clog these guys you need another check-in and you need this medicine or whatever yeah and you know what and i got very good and very famous for doing re-operations over and over again on people in fact uh the most re-operations i ever did was ninth time in nine times on one person yeah well i was the ninth one in to their ninth one person in they've done eight other surgeries somewhere else on the heart on the heart holy how are they still alive um well and how do you survive through that much trauma it's we you know your body really you know hippocrates used to say that all of us have this green life force energy that translated from the greek which sounds very california yeah it does but it's it's true the more i have kind of witnessed this you any creature has this innate desire to do well to have perfect health but hippocrates used to say and i've written this in my book so the priority says there are external forces that keep this green life force energy from blooming and the doctor is supposed to be a detective and find out what are these external forces and remove them teach the patient how to remove them and then this the patient will take care of himself it'll it'll bloom and the guy was right about so many things and he's right so for instance all i do is do detective work is find out okay why you know why have these things happen to you and let's remove these and let's see what happens hey it's louis here and i would love to connect directly with you text me the word youtube to my number 614-350-3960 to receive weekly inspirational messages from me like just this morning yes just this morning um i put out an instagram a couple days ago about some really cool millet pasta that is now available and it's really good and millet doesn't have any lectins and it's not a grain is it millet is a grain but there are only two grains that don't have halls and don't have lectins millet and sorghum okay and so it's better for you oh yeah because it doesn't like that so it doesn't have lectins so whereas rice has lectures yeah the all of rice has a lectin okay wheat has lectins and so somebody writes in and says well you know you don't know what you're talking about because there aren't any lectins in pasta because you cook it and the lectins are gone and whole wheat pasta doesn't have any lectins and because you cook it and i'm going well sorry but gluten happens to be a lectin sorry about that it is and guess what pasta you know wheat pasta has gluten and you can't break gluten down with heat sorry about that in regards to your whole wheat pasta the hall has wheat germ a gluten which is another really nasty lectin and not to go down this trail but it attaches to a sugar molecule on the lining of our blood vessels called new five ac and we can get a new five ac and it sticks there like a splinter and your immune system your white blood cells attack it and then cholesterol slaps onto it and so you lift weights right so if you're lifting weights uh you build calluses around a ring yeah yeah right those calluses are to protect you from that constant trauma from ripping off and one of the things that is interesting is these plaques and arteries are actually calluses from irritation and one of the best ways to irritate the inside of your arteries is to eat whole wheat pasta and so that's a round way of saying yes but in loma linda in sardinia and other blue zones at least from what i understand they eat rice they eat pasta right yeah well yeah so sardinia actually uses a bread that's kind of half wheat and half buckwheat it's like less gluten or something or is it yeah less gluten but sardinia has the highest incidence of autoimmune disease of all of europe so they live a long life in spite of eating gluten correct it's for the other factors of lifestyle of community of exercise that keeps them living a longer life right plus they're not taking antibiotics at every turn they're not taking ibuprofen for pain that blows holes in your gut wall they're not um they're getting up with the sun they're going to bed with the sun so there's lots of factors they drink sardinia uses a liter of olive oil per week they're one of the blue zones that do that which is something you believe in which yeah which really makes up for a lot of a lot of mischief and where with each passing year we're figuring out okay how how is this stuff doing all this i'll give you another example so the cleveland clinic a few years ago discovered a chemical called tmao that i write about in all my books that they say damages blood vessels really damages it hurts them and they have a bunch of papers that show it and they proved that tmao is manufactured by gut bacteria eating animal proteins certain animal proteins and breaking it down into t-a-t-m-a and then goes to your liver and makes tmao so they found some vegans and vegans didn't have any tmao in their bloodstream they go oh look at that isn't that cool here vegans we want you to eat some animal protein and they got some of them to agree and let's see if you make tmao and lo and behold they didn't make tmao so they had a different set of gut bacteria so they said everybody should be a vegan well that didn't go over well so one of their researchers to their you know credit said wait a minute you know the mediterranean diet not a lot of heart disease and you know they're eating salamis and they're eating cheeses what's with that so they say that's a good question so they found that there is a compound i may get it quite wrong but it's one one three dimethylbutanol that paralyzes bacteria the enzymes good bacteria are bad it doesn't matter just paralyzes their enzyme system so they can't make tmao even if you fed them meat tmao is bad it's bad according to cleveland clinic okay um so they said well where is this chemical and it turns out it's in olive oil it's in red wine and it's in balsamic vinegar so they went wow there's this chemical in these foods that are native to the mediterranean diet that kills the tmi prevents tmao from being made interesting and olive oil olive oil red wine and balsamic vinegar interesting two of the three i don't like well well so so i gotta have more olive oil so the point of all this is is holy cow there there are components of you know a really healthy diet that's preventing if you believe the cleveland clinic the manufacturer of this compound even though you're eating meat interesting so you could eat meat and still not get away with it and get away with it if you're doing these other three things correct heavily which sardinia sounds like they did they do interesting so they have the highest concentration of or one of the highest concentrations of autoimmune diseases in sardinia do you think that's in europe in europe you think it's because of the gluten intake the yeah my humble opinion is it's because that they are actually the highest bread and carb eaters pasta in europe yeah they do very little protein i think is that yeah and i agree with that um less protein less protein why is that well again in the longevity paradox i think what's missing in the discussion of blue zones is not the commonality of foods that they eat because they have wildly different diets i mean the okinawans eat 85 percent of their diet is sweet potatoes yeah and they have very little fat and whatever fat they have is actually pork fat lard and they eat very little rice and they eat very little soy and the soy they do eat is miso is fermented so to say a blanket statement all the blue zones eat grains and beans is actually not true uh sardinia uses you know a liter of olive oil a wheat crete another blueberries they put it on their bread on their pot the only purpose of food is to get olive oil in your mouth a liter of olive oil a week in greece so very high fat diet and so the difference i think in all the blue zones is that all of these blue zones including loma linda have very little animal protein as a part of their diet and the adventist health study which has been ongoing for a very long time looking at the factors in longevity in the adventists who are you know the longest living people in the united states is that loma linda yeah yeah um [Music] is the vegans of the adventists have the least heart disease the longest lifespan and a colleague of mine gary moray who's been studying this for years has shown that for every little bit of animal protein that enters the diet of an adventist the more heart disease and the more mischief you see the adventist yeah so the adventists we could do a whole thing on that because actually the adventists well we owe breakfast cereal to the adventists okay um william kellogg and harvey kellogg were physicians at the battle creek sanitarium which was an adventist health sanitarian in battle creek michigan and he both of them really wanted their patients to eat whole grains and their frosted mini wheats well just throw a bunch of sugar on it and we could really go down this rabbit hole because it was thought that whole grains would prevent uh young men from having evil sexual thoughts wow and masturbate really really yeah i need to find this resource yeah wow so when you add sugar though crazy they couldn't get people to eat whole grains so it could taste bad so they said okay we're gonna we're gonna homogenize the sugar on it yeah we're gonna homogenize this stuff and we're gonna make corn flakes they actually learned to make corn flakes from cw post who was also there interesting and the reason kellogg's corn flakes exist is because one of the brothers said you know nobody's going to eat this until we put sugar in the horse and the one brother said no no no we can't put sugar in it so they broke and so the kellogg's cornflakes company was actually the first company that advertised a pre-digested food which was and it was easier on your digestion and that breakfast was by far the most important meal of the day wow good marketing exactly so many myths are what we actually believe the truth is the product of good marketing what is the i mean it sounds like for the first half of your career you had a certain set of beliefs based on your training and the information that was provided to you in the medical space yeah and i would say you're in your second half of your career now right you're in phase two of it i guess and you've had to re-learn and unlearn and research and test and guinea pig on a lot of these different things what are the things that you think are true now that in 20 years are going to be false or going to evolve into a different way of thinking well gee i hope everything in 20 years is different than what i think now i mean i really do because we'll have far more you know research and remember research means look again re-search and look back and look at the information yeah one one of my mentors at the at the nih andrew g morrow always used to say there is nothing new to be discovered but there's everything to be rediscovered and i think when you kind of look at it that way you go i mean for instance michael debakey one of the fathers of heart and vascular surgery in texas back in the 50s and 60s when cholesterol came you know into the forefront he always used to say look cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease it's an innocent bystander and you know just get off of this it's gotten trapped in an inflammatory process but it didn't cause the inflammation and what caused the inflammation so for one thing if you have a little wheat germ of gluten stuck to the inside of your blood vessel like a splinter that's a really good cause of inflammation so you know and i've wrote about this in longevity paradox let's suppose i'm an alien sent to orbit the earth to you know send back to high command my observations and one of the things that i could send back to high command is i've been watching the freeways in la you know and and i can tell you without a doubt that ambulances are the cause of accidents because every time there's an accident i see an ambulance right and so interesting so again causation is not correlation correlation is not causation yeah so we could make an observation which i could make in the operating room every day that i see cholesterol plaque on the inside of that artery so cholesterol must have caused that plaque but debagie would say no cholesterol is basically a callus that is piling up on an irritation to protect that underlying structure yeah and that's why we see these plaques regress when you take away the irritation just like if you stop lifting weights guess what your callus goes away how do you take away the irritation stop eating those things and one of those main things so i mean meat i want to talk about meat for a second do you eat meat yeah let's go yeah i do eat meat but not a lot not a lot and but i'm speaking of irritation because meat causes irritation so there's a there's a okay so i mentioned new 5 ac that the little wheat germ gluten likes to stick to it's a sugar molecule you and i have the lining of our blood vessels with a sugar molecule called nu5 ac there won't be a test okay i'm not remembering who knew and okay just remember who knew so beef lamb and pork have a different sugar molecule lining their blood vessels called nu5 gc they differ by literally one chemical what happens is these two molecules look very very similar and in us when we eat new five g c b flame and pork beef lamb4 many of us make a antibody to that sugar molecule because it's foreign and that antibody when it sees our blood vessels with its new 5 ac must stakes new 5ac for new 5gc and in a case of mistaken identity you attack your own blood vessels so b flam and pork are subway so that's why if you look at large studies there is an association with red meat and increased heart disease it's not that red meat has any evil substance in it it's this dumb sugar molecule and it's a molecule within the red meat yeah it's in all the blood vessels in the red meat that will that attack your that you will make a antibody too because it's foreign to attack against and then you'll attack your own blood vessels and what happens when you attack your own blood vessels inflammation and then the cholesterol comes and you get a callus and then you have got heart disease it's all at the end what about all the people that are swear by the carnivore diet and eating more meat and this is actually what's going to make you leaner and your skin's going to clear up there are some people that swear by that research and unfortunately some people credit me as the father of the carnivore diet because the carnivore diet is eliminating all forms of plant material which have lectins interesting and paul saldino said you're the guy who started me down this path you know he couldn't eat all these plants yeah yeah it's obvious that plants hate us you were right you know there's not a good plant in the world you're wrong about that you can't be too careful and if you just eat meat you'll be fine so it's an it's the ultimate elimination diet and i yeah and i have nothing actually i have nothing against it as a carnivorous as a short-term diet as long as for instance you're getting grass-fed grass finished beef you're getting wild fish and so on down the line what i have a problem with is first of all there is no society long-lived society that has followed a carnivore diet there is none no blue zone there's no no carnivore blue zone right and they're mostly vegan blue zones right mostly vegetarian vegetarian blue zones yeah um so some egg on the house exactly they'll have some yeah and they're actually some cool studies that parmesan cheese extends your lifespan you're speaking my language yeah so so anyhow uh find the society that that lives all meet interesting i mean even you know even the eskimos even the nordic herders knew that they for instance couldn't live on protein alone that they actually had to have a huge amount of fat in their diet to balance the protein okay so i had dr rhonda patrick on and i asked her and she does a lot of studies and she's i think wearing a glucose monitor she's constantly testing like what's working she said grapes were the worst thing you should eat because it spikes you so much more than any other type of sugar that's very true grapes are the ultimate sugar bomb yeah it's like horrible for your for everything for everything which is you think as a kid like oh have some grapes you like feed your kids these things which is worse than a candy bar it sounds like oh yeah and parents are feeding their kids apple juice and grape juice and this juice is no good holy cow if it's like fresh apple juice or is it with the sugar added so so when it says no sugar added on the label what that means is there's so much sugar in here already we didn't have to put any more in right that's what's the difference between apple and apple juice well they're both horrible for you apples are bad oh gosh i thought absolutely good for you with all the different vitamins and an apple when i was growing up was this little bitty thing about that size and maybe four bites and you were done with an apple now it's now it's the size of a grapefruit and they got these names that ought to warn you you know honey crisp that's the best kind yeah and it's like wait a minute and it's so good but yeah because of sugar it's pure fructose and fructose is and you'll see in my upcoming book the energy paradox that if you want to impair your energy production fructose is the is the gift from you know god to impair your energy production to hurt you to hurt you bananas too any fructose is just lethal to your mitochondria so we just gotta eliminate all fruit so for instance your fruit smoothie protein shake that you'd guzzle down to go work out is probably the worst possible thing you could do for your mitochondria and your energy the worst and well here's what i have been doing i've been doing more of just i just tell them half a banana so i have a green i have a green yeah if you have a green it is a prebiotic fiber so it is it's a starch that you actually can't digest but it gives your microbiome your gut buddies exactly what they want to eat to actually energize you put no fruit in it yeah what use a green banana it works green banana gotcha remember i mean the godfather of fitness jacqueline always used to say if it tastes good spit it out yeah that's why you know he used to say that and you know one of the other things that i put in the new book when it was how long did he live until 96 and yeah he actually probably and i got to know him in his later years i got to pick his brain he probably wouldn't be dead he got pneumonia and from what i'm told refused to take antibiotics and there are places where antibiotics are really useful right when something like happens how bad you mentioned before you said a lot of interesting things you mentioned about ibuprofen and other medicines that people take just to eliminate minor pains and aches and headaches how bad for your body is taking a medicine in general like an over-the-counter medicine for something smaller so we used to most over-the-counter medications used to be prescription medication like a tylenol or yeah well like like an advil like a motrin and ibuprofen you still have to write a prescription for that exactly and there used to be a requirement that you could only take it for two weeks because it was so lethal wow just like lethal in what way so killing you but it's it makes giant holes on the inside of the wall of your gut it's like swallowing a hand grenade drug companies knew this and the literature is there i show it in the plant paradox they knew this and that's why i carried a warning you cannot take this this is a prescription-only medicine medication and you can't take it for more than two weeks because it's gonna blow holes in your gut and then it's gonna take you a month to recover and yeah i mean i can't tell you the number of athletes that came to my clinic with an autoimmune disease out of the blue following a sports injury that they were taking you know medville like candy for the pain and then all of a sudden out of the blue they come up with lupus or rheumatoid arthritis or ms and they go what the heck and the doc said oh well you just got an autoimmune disease how would i stay and you know here's a here's a medication that you're going to take the rest of your life that we use in heart transplants wow and it turns out when we looked at them and saw what they were doing and we took that away from them give them a few months they heal their gut and boom their autoimmune disease goes away goes away but as a doctor you must have prescribed oh yeah medication for years i i had a knee injury i had a meniscus tear and i was swallowing celebrex right and left in advil and it wasn't helping and then i was getting fatter and sicker i'm going what's the deal i guess this just getting old you know i'm 40 years old at that point and so then when i stopped all that stuff and started healing my gut low and bald you know 70 pounds came off and my arthritis went away my migraines went away my high blood pressure went away this is so interesting because you know i never took medicine and growing up as a kid i think i told you i grew up in a christian science relationship and it was more about healing through the mindset and healing through prayer healing through your your thoughts yeah because my well this is the way my dad taught me he was just like you know there is no such thing as a physical body you are an idea you are a thought and a thought cannot be harmed so therefore you cannot feel physical pain you cannot have an injury in the kingdom of god and um and so but i remember being like but this really hurts you know it's like ah this is like my hand hurts oh i just got smashed with a football you know it's like uh i broke three ribs i'm like there's pain here and so it was always contradicting thought and my grandfather would always say you know uh christian science stands for cs which is common sense and you know if you break something go to the hospital get it taken care of and then go back to healing the mind and then go back to nutrition things like that like use it when you need to but don't abuse it would you say medicine today is something we should use when you really need it but you shouldn't be taking stuff for little minor aches and pains you should be focused on healing from within the gut yeah would you prescribe that absolutely i mean for instance i i'll prescribe a statin drug for somebody who's you know just had a heart attack or that standard or who i did a bypass on just temporarily in two weeks until i infection goes away well until i can correct the things that got him into this problem it's like you know if you break your leg you're going to wear a cast but you're not going to wear cast the rest of your life right right some people take the medicine forever yeah it's like you know if if somebody came in with pneumonia like jack wayne and i go oh you know you have pneumonia and you're going to have to take this medication the rest of your life to treat your pneumonia and you'd look at me like what are you talking about give me the 10 days of antibiotics no no no i want to manage your pneumonia and so it's the idea of i want to manage your heart disease i want to manage your diabetes i want to manage your high blood pressure well what i and many other people have now realized is that's ridiculous you want to find out why you develop that teach you to get rid of that and then it all goes away so it's good to take the medicine during that time when you need to and then find a solution in other ways afterwards but don't continue on it does is there any disease or infection or ailment that requires lifelong medication i haven't found one yet because some people say like i've been on medication for 10 years and i take six to ten pills a day you have to stop your immune system from getting all excited about every little thing from attacking itself yeah so i mean let me give you know a great example so 95 of human beings are born with an antibody to the peanut lectin that is you pop this is the saddest thing you told me in the last time you know you pop out of the womb and you actually have an antibody to peanut antibody means what means you have a little you you basically have a piece of protein that recognizes the peanut lectin as a foreign material when you eat peanuts and it says hexagons yeah oh my gosh here's this little troublemaker and it attaches to it and it literally sends out a beacon that calls your immune system says here it is come and get it it's a foreign you know agent and kill it and that causes inflammation and that's what causes inflammation so the five percent of people you're saying i have a chance well no but here's the deal when i was growing up nobody had peanut allergies kids didn't carry epipens to school there were peanuts on airplanes why because our immune system because of our gut microbiome all these hundred trillion organisms literally talk to your immune system and they literally send text messages that says starting literally from birth we actually now know before birth it tells your immune system okay here's what you ought to be interested in here's what we're interested in here's where we have your back uh i've got the most incredible front floor blocking you so if you need you know you you need five ten minutes to find the receiver down the stream don't worry right now yeah nobody's gonna get a little bit of peanuts it's not we got you covered but if you're eating it all day long yeah so it just says just chill out these guys aren't important but now what's happened is our microbiome is decimated our gut is leaky now all sorts of material are coming through the wall of our gut and our immune system just go ah i i got to be afraid of everything anything that looks foreign i ought to go after it and you know and so that's what's happened so for instance i had such bad allergies as a kid and as a teenager and as a young adult i was getting allergy shots you know everywhere every week now i don't have any allergies i can be exposed for instance met a cat at a neighbor's house last weekend and very friendly cat and i said you know i used to be really allergic to cats you know just you pet a cat and you know i started waiting and your nose running and i became good friends you know i rubbed my eyes and nothing nothing nothing wow nothing so i've taught my immune system or rather my bugs have taught my immune system just relax and you build the good bugs through the good foods yeah yeah feed the bugs so it's like jack-o'-lantern give them what they want not what your tongue wants that's what your tongue was like jack says do you wake your dog up for a cup of coffee and a donut oh man that's donuts though okay back to this dr ronda patrick she she i asked her when i interviewed i said okay if you could only eat four things just say hypothetically you can only have four things that you can eat every single day which is not the way to thrive because you want to have lots of diversity and all these different things but if you could only have four things i said what are the best four things you could eat she said uh you know wild salmon avocado kale and blueberries if you could only have four ingredients every single day i'm curious what your thoughts on on those four or would you have a different for that if you could only have four things every day to help you live a long healthy happy life what would that be so um you could certainly do better than blueberries okay um blueberries unfortunately have been bred for sugar content so your your best berries and there's a lot of things to like about berries they're actually blackberries and raspberries third on the list is strawberries and blueberries are actually quite always down the list okay so uh i'd be pomegranate seeds would be on my list not pomegranate juice but pomegranate seeds the seeds the seed that's one of the four things you should eat every day exactly why pomegranate seed uh a couple things um pomegranate has some really cool let's just use polyphenols that really tell your immune system to behave itself number one number two really keeps your vascular bed flexible and number three has some compounds that probably really help your brain long term really yeah interesting okay so pomegranate seeds what's number two uh so uh coffee and particularly coffee fruit so what is coffee fruit so coffee fruit is what's thrown away coffee bean is a bean inside the fruit and for instance you know olive seeds aren't very good for you but olive fruit is incredibly good for you and if you press it it makes olive oil so it was discovered a number of years ago that coffee fruit the literally stuff you throw away has probably the highest percentage of bdnf brain derived neutrotrophic factor of any compound in the world and so i you know i just had dale bredesen on my podcast last week and dale says oh yeah if you want to protect your brain just get you know get coffee fruit extract so so is the is the coffee bean the seed of the fruit correct so the bean is still so coffee is still really good for you as long as you don't mess with it and um so just black coffee yeah black coffee okay black coffee not adding some ghee or some yeah you don't like that you don't need to okay you don't need to i like bulletproof coffee but yeah okay and dave's a good friend of mine and we have a good time together you like the coffee fruit better than the the bean yeah yeah the coffee fruit well do both coffee is good too black coffee black coffee is great no sugar no cream okay cool number three what would you say number three um by valve shellfish for shelter forget the wild salmon okay forget that what's up sam what's shellfish so i found bivalves so clams oysters scallops those things if you want to have a great functioning mitochondrial system if you want a great functioning brain there are such cool what are called phospholipids that you make most of the inner and outer membranes of mitochondria out of and just a toy with your brain if you look there's a there's a phospholipid particularly in shellfish scallops that's called plasmalogin and there won't be a test on this either so you can take alzheimer's brains and you'll find that they are profoundly deficient in plasmalogin and there's two studies in japan of supplementing people with mild cognitive impairment with plasmalogins and lo and behold their uh brain wakes up and starts working again with shellfish with shellfish what's another is that's not shrimp is that yeah that's also a shellfish but it's not a bi valve eye valve is by violence oysters and scallops yeah and muscles something that's easy oh muscle muscles muscles are great so i'm two for four yeah muscles are great yes okay so that's what i'm taking on that on the i'm on the island with okay and the fourth thing so the fourth fourth thing is any form of chicory you know what radicchio is everybody thinks it's an italian red cabbage okay come on it's in every grocery store yeah yeah okay so chicory belgian endive is chicory uh cafe you know the belgian and if you go with trader joe's they look kind of like a tulip bulb okay a tulip that hasn't opened yet you peel off the leaves okay and you use it as a dipping chip for guacamole okay okay okay yes yes so it turns curry like a celery wait no it's not part of the celery family okay but the chicory family has inulin and if you want to feed your friendly bacteria what they want to eat to take care of you their home you got to give them inuit and the best source is chicory and that's why you go you have any salad in the south of france and in italy and i will guarantee you there will be some form of chicory interesting yeah so i want you to start eating radicchio okay ridiculous and then you gotta pour every you've got to pour olive oil on everything if you do a plus to it you put olive oil on okay olive oil in your coffee that's the fifth thing okay olive oil a coffee um instead of ghee now let's say you can't get any of this stuff are there supplements for all these things out there is therefore there is a coffee fruit supplement is that i take two different kinds every day really yeah oh my gosh okay chicory supplements is all this stuff indium and you can get inulin you can get it as a sweetener for instance just like sugar which i i have no relationship with them is basically inulin so if you can't get all this stuff at your local uh grocery store get the supplements as a second best correct i mean that's why i take about 120 supplements in the morning and about 80 at night wow yeah i mean what because you're not eating all the food right i can't possibly you know do what i can't be a hunter-gatherer i mean i can't be a gorilla that eats 16 pounds of leaves and twigs every day believe me i've tried it's you can't do it yeah i'm curious about the different diets that are out there yeah you got vegan you got vegetarian you got keto you got carnivore diet you got all these different diets right paleo and they're constantly evolving and changing every two three years i think there's something that is the thing i think keto is the thing right now that everyone's talking about paleo was five six years ago it's not the only thing people talked about correct does each person need to eat differently or does every person should they be eating the same based on their blood type based on their genes based on their their family history based on the region of the world they live in should we be eating specific for us or should everyone be eating the same we should be eating for our microbiome period for our unique microbiome yeah and that's what we should be eating for because our microbiome constitutes the vast majority of genes in our body 99 of all the genetic material that exists in us and on us is non-human genetic material right and our microbiome has the distinctive advantage of rapidly reproducing and constantly changing and exchanging information from one bacteria to another and so i happen to think that we've uploaded most of our decision-making processes to our bacterial cloud to take the work off of our genes because these guys in the in the new book the energy paradox we now know that it's i'm not going to spill it spill the beans so to speak but we now know that that system that microbiome literally gives instructions which we now can measure we've broken the code we've only speculated that they've done this but now i didn't break the code but scientists have broken the code of how in fact they talk to us and direct us we really exist for our microbiome and as long as what are microbiome the microbiome are the bacteria the fungi the the yeast the bugs yeah and 97 of the bugs in our our microbiome are foreign so the genes the genes are formed yeah they're human genes they're bacterial genes they're formal genes they're viral genes yeah i mean it's fascinating you you and i so how many how many percentage of human genes do we have well believe it or not we only the human genome we only have 20 000 genes how many total genes are there you name it i mean so the the bacterial genome is trillions and trillions of genes a bacterial genes yeah and there's only 20 000 of ours and in fact we don't everybody thought when the human microbiota human genome project came out that we're going to prove that humans are by far the most complex species and in fact what do we find out it turns out corn has more genes than a human no way yeah corn has more dna and the sand flea has the most genes of any animal so yeah so this is all proven with the human genome project right everybody was so upset at the human genome project yeah what's wrong with you guys of course we have the most genes genes and a piece of corn more genes than basically more complications you might be louis so i mean you're like this to a sanity and when when you were sitting on your sister's couch i know you said you know i am like this dude essentially exactly exactly so okay microbiome is the most important thing yeah in our system about that and we need to you need to eat for the microbiome yeah is that microbiome mycobacteria no well that's that's a type of bacteria called microbiobiome and microbiome is a part of our genes no they feed all the genes that if we did a gene survey of every gene that we could find in you 99 of all the genes that we could find in you would not be human they would be crazy to think about they would be foreign that's crazy isn't it well yeah so we need the foreign we've got to live yeah we've got this completely upside down what's important really only in the last 10 years since the human microbiome products it's crazy i mean i'll give you an example right these are like super smart scientists on the human body okay yeah i mean we just had no idea when i was in medical school and up until the human microbiome project we assumed that the gi tract the stomach and intestines was just this hollow tube and you put some digestive enzymes in there and all of a sudden you know you got proteins you got fats and you got carbohydrates and then whatever was left the garbage you pooped out your rear end and that was that was it that was that was what we thought before 10 years ago yeah and then all and then all of a sudden they went holy cow and for instance there were books written about the gut brain axis because we knew that the second largest collection of neurons was lining the gut and there's more neurons aligning the gut than there are in the spinal cord so it was called the second brain the gut the neurons in the gut well now as you'll see in the energy paradox we were wrong about that those neurons are there to actually get messages from the gut to the biome and then talk to the brain so we missed the fact that there was this symbiotic sentient being that was not only living in us but was directing us wow and we also needed to survive for their benefit because they live and feed off of us yeah we're we're their home it's crazy and as i wrote in the plant paradox and the longevity paradox we know if you have for instance fat and sugar-loving bacteria which i call gang members they will hijack your brain and make you go find those more sugars that they want to that's what causes addiction yeah you're addicted to it because it's craving it's saying yeah it's warm for you to feel good what about mitochondria what's the connection there ah so the mitochondria are sisters of bacteria mitochondria are so they are bacteria they are engulfed bacteria that two billion years ago took up residence in another cell in exchange for living in that cell they said we'll make energy for you and as long as so they have so they are bacteria it's good right they have illness and that's where free energy they create energy they make enemy energy everything yeah and so they want more monocot uh mitochondria yeah so healthier mitochondria yeah the best part is so you and i inherited all of our mitochondria from our mother dads did nothing for that sorry okay we're just drunk it's just useless so our mitochondria are inherited from our mother which are ancient bacteria and our microbiome is initially inherited from our mother because as i told maria shriver your mother took a crap on you as you came out the birth canal right and if you breastfeed it turns out one of the huge benefits of breastfeeding we now know is that the woman inoculates her child with more bacteria and more fungi so it's good to breastfeed it's really important to breastfeed how long should you breastfeed for however long you don't want to reproduce wow usually it's impossible to get pregnant when you're breastfeeding yeah gotcha okay about 10 years ago i usually go to this microbiota conference every year in paris and present my work and the organizer about 10 years ago he said you realize that the microbiome talks to the mitochondria and i i went really and he says well think about it he says they're they're related they're sisters and i said well come on where's the proof and he says you watch we're going to find the proof you just watch and i said you know i believe you you're the kind of the smartest guy i've ever seen in this field and sure enough you you you watch and you wait and in the energy paradox it's it's going to blow your mind that there is now documented proof i alluded to this in the longevity paradox that the microbiome talks to the mitochondria and they basically tell the mitochondria if things are good down in the engine room you guys you know churn out the energy and if things aren't good down in the entire room you guys probably ought to back off on producing energy because troubles ahead save yourselves interesting so don't create energy when the gut is under attack being good why is that why because everything's not working down there so when you create energy when things aren't working in your gut and your digestive system what happens then well you don't create energy that's why we have this epidemic of tiredness so you won't create energy because the gut bingo is not allowing it to signal to create it yeah huh because it's got so much it's probably trying to create it it's just trying to defend itself yeah i mean think about it we we are we are over fed but undernourished yeah wow i mean we have more conveniences more everything we have more food we have you know we have energy bars we have energy drinks and everybody needs five cups of coffee to get through the day and it's it's like what a paradox we should have the most energy of any species ever we should have a lot more energies than those sardinians who are climbing up hills in their 90s but we can't you know we can't get out of bed wow without a double espresso with some ghee right exactly wow huh and it's all because we stopped taking care of our microbiome microbiomes all of you know so these ultra processed foods the ultra processed foods have taken away all of the stuff that the microbiome would normally eat don't eat processed foods even if it's a healthy process there's no such thing all processed food is bad food yeah i mean even these you know miracle impossible burgers and beyond right well those are very processed they're very processed that's and they're loaded with lectures so knock your socks off they taste good yeah they had a beyond burger and i actually was like wow it tastes like a burger if you put a little cheese on and some onion it's like don't let a two by three inch muscle in your mouth dictate your life so what's better to eat if i'm hearing beef lamb and uh pork are so go have some go have some mussels okay so if you're gonna have a beyond burger or a beef burger grass-fed grass finished which one should you eat uh well neither because they're going to be on a bun but there's no bug so for instance animal style yeah yeah exactly animal style so yeah wrap it in some lettuce right yeah which one have some grilled onions of the two of them they've had the cheese they both have glyphosate so just don't oh you mean the beer yeah grass-fed grass-finished beef is better than the process please look for grass finish gotcha okay because it's perfectly legal there's no rule of what grass fed means yeah you can just still you could feed a cow grass for one day of its life and then take it to the feedlot and you can still leave it wow that's crazy so you got to see grass-fed grass finished so i want to go back to the food you should be eating for your your specific well your specific type your body type your type your blood type does this matter if like if you're a heavy workout lifter or extreme ultra runner does it matter the difference of types of foods or the quantity of food you should be eating well so if you're actively building muscle you're going to need to eat more protein but the idea that that protein should come from an animal or a plant doesn't hold water it doesn't matter where well you shouldn't come from an animals what i'm hearing so i mean a gorilla has more muscle than you and i will ever have um you can do px90 all your life and you'll you'll you'll never be as strong yeah but is that because of its genetic makeup and it's it's true one of the things we think happened was that we decided to not have as much of our intestines devoted to making protein available for muscle work it's one of the theories of why we could never do that but a horse only eats grass and weeds look at the wine the king of the yeah or lion incidentally all the great cats actually eat the abdominal contents first they the gut they eat the gut the intensity the intestines the heart the liver liver why is that because it's got more iron it's got more fat protein plus interestingly enough it's got a bunch of microbiome and the honzas when they make a kill they actually out in the field strip all this time and stuff out of the intestines and they smear it on the cells and eat it almost the best as the best part and you know and the great cats will will leave the mussels for the hyenas really yeah because it's not good meat it's they want they want the good stuff they want the fat and all the microbiome they don't they eat the gut and they leave the rest unless they're still hungry go ahead pull up a video you watch them they're all sitting around the gut nobody's out there you know munching on a leg yeah i mean there's you know there's six of them and they're all in the guts is that just a uh a natural instinct for them i mean i'm sure their you know guts basically tell them this is like sugar for them it's like i mean let me give you an example from the new book there's a fascinating study out of china the the more we're realizing that most of the signals to heat are actually coming from the microbiome and there's some researchers in china that said you know one of the things about fasting is you really get hungry and you know you you really get hungry for a while and i wonder if you're getting hungry because the microbiome is saying hey where's the food come on go get some food because we know the you know the gut the gang members tell you to go get the crap so what they said is well what if we had people fast water only fast but we give them a hundred calories of prebiotics fiber of sugars that we can't digest but the gut microbiome can eat let's see what it does to their hunger sensation and so they've done seven day fast they've done 14 days day fast and the amazing thing is they found that they had no hunger and just 100 calories a day 100 calories a non-digestible fiber that it turns out that the gut microbiome said we got this thanks very much that's all we need it's great snack you're not hungry you're not hungry we're not hungry so you're not hungry and it's like holy cow you know let's turn everything we know on our heads when is this when we learn this you're going to see it in the book energy paradox yeah wow now i just did a four day fast last week okay i finished it i started on uh saturday morning i didn't eat friday night and i went into saturday or i had a dinner friday night and i didn't eat saturday morning i went and did a workout and i said you know what let me see if i can do 24 hours i'm feeling good i'm not feeling hungry i've never done a full 24 hours i've done like 18 20 hours so let me see if i can do a full 24 hour see if i eat later for dinner tonight and i said you know what i feel pretty good i'm just drinking water i said let me see if i can wake up in the morning or breakfast see if i can push it and sunday comes around it's feeling good and i have a i have a coffee black coffee i have water and i have a celery juice and i'm like you know what i feel pretty good let me see if we can do another day and i go four days like this right where i have celery juice black coffee lots of water for four days i felt amazing i didn't really feel hungry and it's a week a week and a about a week and a half later now and i feel like i just i feel like it's just getting still getting rid of like dead weight or something it's like i don't know what happened and i don't have enough research but what happened to my body after four days of fasting is that good for me to do once in a while does it benefit my longevity what does it do for the the gut and everything yeah so that was so first of all um the vast majority of westerners probably shouldn't embark on a prolonged fast three or four day fast because we store heavy metals we store pesticides we store herbicides in our fat to protect us from those things a swordfish has got lethal levels of mercury in it but the swordfish is swimming around just fine because the swordfish the fat has the mercury in it it's like tuna tono you know sushi lovers don't know is fatty tuna so that's where all the the heavy metals are concentrated in the fat so when we go on a fast we start using fat from our fat stores and as we liberate that fat out come all the heavy metals all the pesticides now it goes to our liver and the liver doesn't have a good detoxification system for particularly heavy metals so you need phase one and phase two detoxification systems to work and i have a product to do that but the big thing is the liver doesn't know what to do with heavy metals so it says i'm just going to throw this out in the bile and i'm sure that's how i'll get rid of the poop in the poop yeah the problem is we recycle the mercury and the lead and the cadmium out of our intestines so you actually set up this vicious cycle that you never get rid of those heavy metals and this was actually proven so as fast so the four day fast was probably not the best thing for you you're probably okay because you don't have a whole lot of fat in you but if you're going to do that you got to take activated charcoal you got to take chlorella which will bind heavy metals and then you'll help eliminate it exactly you don't find it and you can't reabsorb it as opposed to putting it through the liver and hurting well no it'll come out the bile and but then it'll be grabbed by chlorella and activation so if it's not grabbed by those two things then what happens so then you just recycle it it goes back in your bloodstream i mean this was actually shown by uh a very famous professor ray wolff rory walford from ucla who was in biosphere 2. um you're not old enough to remember biosphere 2. now biosphere 2 was this crazy experiment in the arizona desert where they built these geodesic domes and they wanted to prove that man could live on mars for a year and grow their own food right and so they locked the biospherians in this geodesic dome and the object of the game was they had to grow all their own food produce all their own oxygen everything self-contained like kind of a little terrarium so needless to say it was a horrible failure and so these guys lost a third of their body weight in the first six months and ray wolford was a professor of pathology at ucla here and ray's job was he thought it was great because he was actually the father of calorie restriction and he says oh look at this everybody's cholesterol is falling everybody's insulin's falling wow we're really skinny but look at all the great things and then part of it was he says you know we ought to be looking for heavy metals and stuff like that and it turns out he wrote this obscure paper and it's in several of my books and it'll be in the energy paradigm he found that heavy metals went sky high in the biospherians and stayed elevated for a year after the end of the experiment because they just recycle because they were just recycling they weren't eliminating it and so we don't want heavy metals in our body we as westerners don't want that so there's how do we get rid of them so you've got to bind them you got to bind them with chlorella and activated charcoal so if we take those two things on a consistent basis like every day every day even just like a charcoal uh supplement right yeah just an activator you take it every day it helps eliminate bind by eliminate where's the uh charcoal charcoal and chlorella chlorella okay wow so if you take those two supplements every day yep it should help eliminate heavy metals yeah and make you feel better and your mitochondria will be happier every microbiome will be happier everybody will be so happy okay good so what does heavy metals cost does it cause inflammation does it cause so heavy metals are actually a really good mitochondrial poison they kill the mitochondria which hurts your levels to have energy correct and speaking of which fruit is probably fructose is probably if you wanted to encounter the best mitochondrial poison it would be fructose you're hurting my feelings here i i hate so that's that's sugar it's fructose which is different from corn sugar yeah that's where one of our problems it's in every high fructose corn syrup and then apples yeah but i hear apples are supposed to be great how is that they're bad for you they're great for you like you you know you heard the if all great apes only gain weight during the summer during fruit season and believe it or not fruit only ripens once a year in the jungle and they do that because winter is a time of less food whether it's a dry season rain season cold season there's less food so we're designed to seek out fruit sugar to gain weight and for for rainy days for a rainy day and that's why two-thirds of the sensors on your tongue are sweet receptors two thirds sugar tastes so because and remember you and i have color vision because we are free look at this we are fruit predators and the plant is shiny yeah the plant wants to tell you that it is ripe and its babies won't be digested by you and now's the time and that the fructose is at the highest that's why when you go down there that's why when you go down the snack aisles or the cereal yellows red yellows red and yellows yeah because of the eyes it fits your brain and your brain said fruit that's going to help me gain weight and it helps that it helps would you say that sugar is the main cause of obesity no what what do you think is the main the main leaky gut leaky gut is the main cause of obesity but does sugar cause leaky gut no and i talk about this in the energy paradox you um you can actually design diets that are primarily pure carbohydrates in fact there are many diets that are pretty much pure carbohydrates the duke rice diet is one of them and you can actually lose lots of weight that sounds bad for the gut it turns out and you're gonna have to stay tuned for the energy okay you have to pre-order the book to get that yeah yeah available now for pre-order be out february 7th exactly but we'll come back okay so all right so leaky gut is the cause of obesity yep it is and so if you heal the leaky gut you have a war going on in your intestines and as things come across the wall of your gut your immune system seventy to eighty percent of all your white blood cells are down in your gut and a war gets started and interestingly enough the army has to have provisions and we store fat particularly in our gut as provisions for our army and in fact i've published data that the war on the inside of our blood vessels on our coronary arteries we have fat epicardial fat lining our blood vessels and that epicardial fat isn't there in people who don't have coronary artery disease so that is the stockpile for fueling the army so if you stop leaky gut you lose weight wow just like that just starts to come off and you know and that's i think we talked about this last time one of the problems with with coven 19 and chronic diseases is that my humble opinion and others is that all chronic diseases stem from leaky gut and that you put in your mouth and are in our immune system is distracted by everything that's going on down here and we don't have a lot of troops up where they ought to be in our nose and mouth and when covin hits and gets then you have a hyper response a cytokine storm because your immune system it's like the peanut allergy it's like oh my gosh there's a silly little peanut antigen let's go crazy and so it's these unfortunate people who have obesity who have diabetes who have insulin resistance and you know 80 of americans are insulin resistant metabolic syndrome and so it's it's kind of people go well you know america is you know not doing very well with covet well we are the perfect set up for covarialism to attract to get it and do poorly because we're already uh don't sleep well don't eat well have uh obesity we have leaky guts autoimmune disease we already have disease that we're fighting so our immune system is under attack all the time correct and so it's easier to catch it's easier to catch but then once you catch it and the immune system finally says oh my gosh it's there then the immune system just goes into a hyperdrive and the cytokine storm so it sneaks in but then once it's in the immune system goes crazy can foods protect us against covid or viruses so interestingly enough there's some actually good work in fasting that was first prompted by the concentration camps in world war ii and there is no silver lining for you know that but if there was a silver lining if there was one of the things that first started people questioning what we knew about the immune system was that you know these these these people were starving on purpose and those but those that survived never got ill they never caught colds they never got the flu they didn't get cancer they they had nothing and it was one of the striking thing here these emaciated people that you would think one cold virus would that be the end of it it turns out their immune system is just perfectly prepared to protect them really at all costs and we we learn that in the energy paradox with what happens with fasting and what what things your body does to make sure that you're going to emerge still around at the other side of however long this is going to take and so yeah so the fasting or time restricted feeding so limiting the eating window is really one of the best things we can do right now well you have like a three to six hour window yeah so you know i i i tend to eat one meal a day during the week uh and it's even got a name called omad one meal a day uh-huh kind of cute i didn't make it out but uh yeah and i i tend to do that on the weekends it's like an early dinner type of thing or is this a the more you can kind of stop eating the four or three hours before bedtime the better off you are yeah and dr dale bredesen the end of alzheimer's you know firmly believes this three hours before three hours before don't eat anything just don't eat any water's fine water's fine yeah so kovat has been you know it seems like it's picking up around the world right it's what it seems like in a lot of places it doesn't slow down in usa or mexico it's spiking and all these other places what can people do now to protect themselves against covid and other viruses in general since it it doesn't look like it's going away at least the conversation for a year maybe the end of next year who knows who knows how long it'll go what can we do and it's many factors many lifestyle factors obviously included but what can we do in your mind well in terms of supplements there's now five papers that show the higher your vitamin d level the more you're protected from covid and the less severe it's going to be you know five different human papers so i think that's number one vitamin d vitamin d3 just vitamin d3 just get it in your system get it in your system get timed release vitamin c vitamin c doesn't stick around very long if you can't get vitamin vitamin c get the get the vitamin c tablets and chew 500 milligrams four times a day uh i do like kercetin or kircetin which is present in onions apples and the white pith of citrus but please don't apples are good it's got something in it that's good that's something so if you take it out of it and do that as a supplement green tea extract uh is very useful uh drinking green tea zinc zinc get about 30 milligrams of zinc per day and you know elderberry elderberry is probably pretty useful in all this but i think one of the things i think we should learn is that the the countries and even our states that really draconianly shut down and practice social distancing and practice mass wearing look masks are not the greatest thing in the whole world and we don't have to live or die on all these studies that say yes they're helpful or yes they're not helpful but they you know every long-term study shows that mass probably have some effect and it's like i remember when seat belts were introduced in cars and there was a huge human cry fighting against seat belts against the belt and even in the medical literature you're going to make this a law yeah yeah well not only that but they're in the medical literature there was you know seat belt injuries of the abdomen and i remember training you know oh that's a seat belt injury and so you can always muster an argument that oh you know that's dangerous but we have a society have decided that we can mandate public safety issues and guess what you better have a seat belt on in your car now right um you know and we can mandate airbags and we can mandate that you can't drive drunk even though you'd love to um and so the idea that we can't mandate for the public good sorry you can't go 100 miles an hour although lots of people are doing that right so you know i have an associate in toronto who when they were really shut down they used cell phones to you were allowed out of your residence one hour per week to go get groceries wow and they tracked you on your cell phone oh my goodness and to get around it people would leave their cell phones in their house and they knew that the cell phone you know was always there and they go that's funny uh that person has to go out and yeah so that's draconian that's horrible but you know they shut it down you know you know we used to feel so sorry for italy all these poor italians singing from their balconies but they shut it down now they're better now and now they're better yeah and now they're opening them up new zealand is like no no cases what does that do for our long-term happiness and health to isolate more longer and longer well i don't think we have to isolate but you know when and governor newsome did a great job here early and we were all patting ourselves on the back and then it opened up it opened up and it clearly opened up too big and let's face it the bars were one of the biggest issues i mean you millennials it's all about i don't go to barcelona all about yourself i hear you you want to have fun i didn't really mean that and that's okay but yeah so we just you know put the gum mask on yeah believe it or not mass don't cause oxygen deprivation they they don't increase your co2 but it's uncomfortable yeah yeah they're well i've worn a mask most of my life you know that's right in surgery so maybe i'm biased right but just you know put the dumb thing on and social distance exactly and and that that part's easy i mean i go out to eat now yeah yeah outdoor seating yeah outdoor seating it's it's working that's great so dr gundry this is amazing and uh i wanted to have you back on when your next book comes out the energy paradox which is coming out in february but you can pre-order it now uh anywhere online amazon and go to your website you're on social media dr stephen gundry on instagram dr gundry on twitter dr steven gundry on facebook you've got a lot of great products information free stuff at your website the dr gundry podcast that's great i love that podcast by the way thank you thank you listen to it several times thank you have a great time and your your your one of your stories is in the energy paradox oh yeah i like it i made the cut yeah yeah so far do this i like that final edit um i want to ask you a uh a question i think i'm going to ask you in the first interview but i want to ask it again it's called my three truths so imagine uh you have a very long life and you live as long as you want right and but for whatever reason you know the body shuts down and you got to call it quits and this is many years in the future and you have created every type of content book you've seen things change in science and all this stuff has evolved and people are living longer than ever but for whatever reason all your content has to go with you to the next place you can't leave your books behind or any this this information is gone but you get to leave behind three things that you've learned in your life that you know to be true and this is the only things you could share with the rest of the world this is all we'd have to remember you by that's it three tr three truths three lessons that you've experienced that you would share what would you say are your three truths all disease begins and ends in the gut and i wish i had thought of that i mean hippocrates slaughtered them and i guess the second one is trust your gut yeah that's a great one yeah uh number three uh actually number three is you do have a soulmate and do not settle until you find that cell mate and don't let them out of your sight ever again oh that's great how's that i like those three were you you've been married once twice so but uh married to my soul mate who i was supposed to get married to first time around did you know her the first one before gosh we were supposed to get married you were supposed to get married yeah we we we met i was in a singing group at yale and what was your singing group called called the baker's doesn't like the whiffenpoofs okay not his biggest dozens famous as the whiffenpoofs but we were a capital recording artist we actually opened for dion warwick at the at the doral hotel in miami and wow so anyway right so we were singing for our supper at half moon in montego bay jamaica uh when i was 20 years old and my wife now was sitting in the audience and we made eye contact and we actually spent the night talking and by the end of the night she walked into her parents i had to leave and she walked in and said i just met the man i'm going to marry and told her parents told her parents so i just met him and unfortunately she was going to school here at ucsb university california santa barbara i was going to school at yale and our parents her parents lived in connecticut my parents lived in atlanta georgia this is jamaica yeah well i was singing in jamaica she was in japan they were on vacation oh wow they were on vacation so we had this crazy long-distance relationship pen pals back then well we actually phone uh we call each other on the phone for an hour every sunday night because the rates were later you know landlines of course yeah and then on holidays and things i'd either go to her folks house or they'd she'd come to our books and my parents got to know each other we picked out china and then i got into medical school at georgia augusta georgia and she was up here in santa barbara and i flew out uh my first after my first year in medical school and i said you know it's time to fish or cut bait you know what it's time to get married uh this long distance is tough yeah you know you need to come to you know georgia and she she said i hate georgia really you need to come to santa barbara so well there's no medical school and back then getting into medical school was hard yeah i mean it was thank you um and so i said no i can't do it and she said well you know it's just not gonna work so we you know said goodbye at the airport santa barbara airport wow six weeks later i was engaged to be married to a woman who i actually did not know up until she six weeks later talk about how are you vulnerable when you want to get married you want to get married you so you were looking to get committed and you wow yeah and so then so that didn't work out after how many years 20 years and then you reconnected now we had two kids and my my parents i said yeah you got to leverage it's just awful and it's that's that's beyond that but so i was separated i um was professor at loma linda university where i became very famous about doing infant heart transplants and one day the today show picks us up and brian gumbel's interviewing me and the parents and i'm going you know there's not particular i do hundreds of these infantry and heart transplants a year and this one isn't particularly interesting i wonder why they picked this one up and so i'm on the tv and who should be watching from her kitchen in atlanta georgia but my wife no way am i no currently the woman who i was supposed to be married and she writes me a nice little note and says you know you always told me you're going to be a famous heart surgeon and congratulations on your success and i'm sitting in my office in loma linda and my long time secretary comes in and she says this is personal confidence now you're in california i'm in california and you know and she's in georgia yeah and so you know i opened up the thing and of course my secretary's staring at me well i said barbara this is the love of my life you know what should i do she says well caller you idiot and so uh i had a case to do in the operating room so i go down to the or and i pick up the phone and dial her on a tuesday and she's gone three two one you know i'd be calling right about now and pick up the phone and that was 1995. and we got on an airplane and we've been together ever since wow she raised five years 25 years and just celebrated 25 years and you were married for 20 years yeah and now you're married for 25 years yeah yeah and she raised my youngest daughter uh saved her life um wow and now my youngest daughter you know calls her you know mom wow yeah so if you could go back in time so if i if you convinced her to come that much more would you say i'm going to come and be or just keep going live well you know she always says you know i i just think i wasn't ready and i don't think i would have been my useful partner timing is everything right and she had a miserable marriage she gets she canceled her uh wedding three times she actually would make her dad take out another announcement in the new york times because she knew i read the new year oh my god and then i'd stop it and wow it was that nutty but i mean they're on your way back though yeah i mean the minute on the phone it was like timing it was like no i mean it's like there was no time wow that passed it was just gone so there is a soulmate and do not settle and we ended up thank you very much appreciate it you want to learn about the key foods you need to eat to master your health make sure to watch this video right here humans who eat two cups of mushrooms per week do not get alzheimer's disease and it speaks on any type of mushroom any type you want to go to the grocery store mushrooms

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Length: 92min 39sec (5559 seconds)

Published: Mon Aug 10 2020