Tim Ballard EXPLAINS THE ISSUE Of Human Trafficking & How To PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN From It |Lewis H

july 30th is un's world day against human trafficking an issue that is far more widespread than you may realize i spoke with tim ballard of operation underground railroad about his mission to end child sex slavery though it was an extremely challenging conversation it is very important and it hits especially close to home for me now i would never compare my experience to what these kids go through but i was sexually abused as a young kid and it took me several years to start to heal and i feel deeply for any kid who's ever been taken advantage of now some of you might find this information disturbing but hearing this can make such a difference i think you gotta have a dream the school of greatness please welcome welcome back everyone in the school of greatness super pumped today for my guest tim ballard in the house my man good to see you brother thanks for having me so great so grateful you're here i first learned about you i think about a year ago someone was telling me about you but then i really learned about you when tony robbins 60th birthday party where i watched the videos got to hear you speak and got to see the work you do with operation underground railroad and it's amazing what you have done it's amazing what your organization have done in really helping end childhood sex trafficking and i'm curious if you can help educate my audience who maybe has no clue about this like i didn't have a clue about it yes yeah what is the what is sex trafficking in terms of u.s is it actually happening and what is it in terms of international what is the problem at hand right now yeah so this is not a peripheral issue most people want to believe it is this is the fastest growing criminal enterprise in the world really it's more than drugs more than it's the fastest growing really it's it's rivaling drugs right now because you can sell it's the fastest growing this growing but in terms of numbers it's actually getting up to drug trafficking and the reason is you can sell a bag of cocaine one time but you can sell a child oh my gosh you know 10 20 times in a 24-hour period so it's very lucrative uh and it's it's enormous it's a huge business now there's so it's a renewable product exactly recycle the product that's right i don't want to say like that term but that's how they see it so yeah uh wow so you really start with the bigger issue there is modern-day slavery that's what this is people not controlling their persons right their own body their own their own lives and there's about 30 million estimated slaves in the world today and about 10 million of those are children and then they're sold for different things about 2 million children are forced into commercial sex trade the rest are slave labor or even organ harvesting really and so we work that's and so so how many in the category of sex slavery how many they estimate there's that there's two million the state department u.n two million children but my experience tells me because we we're in 26 countries we're undercover we've been everywhere and if you're if you're in slave labor it's just a matter of time before they use you for sex as well wow it's interchangeable i mean slavery it's how can we make money from yeah once you own someone you think you own them like a product object you'll do whatever you want with them right so how is this even i mean are people other slaves in the u.s right now or is it mostly international so it's great question so when i when people ask me about the us because i'd rather because most people in the united brother just say it's happening far far away and i'm going to just go like that you know i'm not going to listen to this and the truth is we are the number one demand i'll start with that we yes we are the number one consumers of child exploitation material we're just not doing it in the us well we are we are so i'll get there yeah so so we're the number one consumer which means we are the market so yeah we are we are the sex tourists that were that my group and law enforcement are targeting and catching overseas hurting kids but recently they say 80 percent is u.s consumption or like it depends like in in the markets like south of the border in latin america get asia yeah going to asia it's maybe with like half and half us and then like locals and a lot of locals they generally make up the most they generally make up the most of the market of the consuming side um but we just the united states just became last year ranked in the top three for destination countries for trafficking which means other people to come here right the traffickers say look that's the market i want in if i can get into the country and then we're really going to make a lot of money and so they're trying to get their their their slaves into our country because so then we want so then u.s people won't have to travel right this is crazy it is crazy import people here yes kids yes teenagers and then they're slaves to whatever either labor or or sex and it's not it's where is this how is this in l.a is this so yeah that's a good question because i can go to like a developing country where the infrastructure isn't as great and law enforcement struggles and you can see children being sold on the street corners at this beach you just got to know where to go you're not going to see that here here it's mostly online it's in the dark net so like our warriors out there fighting fighting it and finding the kids or like the internet crimes against children task forces local law enforcement these guys who have the tools to go in and basically infiltrate criminal organizations that are using those platforms to find kids but i've for 17 years i've worked as an undercover operator in some capacity and i have bought and sold a child on every single social media platform that's social media oh yeah it starts there it's often the star will start there and then leads to private phone calls and all of a sudden you're negotiating the deal for in-person yeah no way how many you've been doing this for 17 years now how did you originally get into this i've heard this story but i want my audience to hear how you even knew this was a thing and decided to go all in on this so i started in the cia and i was i had prepared my entire life to fight terrorism even before 9 11. i was um i was study that's what i was studying in fact i i graduated from grad school with a degree a very unique degree in terrorism really uh in 2001 wow so the floodgates open for for us to go work wherever we want i chose the cia and i was working at the terrorism desk there you were going into terrorism before 9 11. yes already no it's going to be like oh my gosh here we go and then one of the terrorists people will remember this name muhammad alta who came across the border he was staging in mexico and he crossed the border and went up and and and launched those attacks on the twin towers and that just i was at caa during 9 11 and i was like i want to be on that board i speak spanish i want to be on that border to to fight terrorism and protect the country from there from that position so i in the wake of 9 11 the creation of homeland security so i was one of the first to jump ship and i jumped over into homeland security i became a special agent undercover operator thinking i was going to be doing terrorism where were you stationed then i was in the classical california port of entry right near tijuana or near it's near it's it's about a hundred a hundred miles east of tijuana yeah from san diego right right on that board a lot of people come in because it's probably less of a big city yeah exactly there's three ports of entries there it's it's it's very busy wow and lots of criminal activity crossing that drugs yeah people yeah yeah so we were we were finding tunnels and it was i mean my office was right on the border at the port of entrees loving life but for six months i'm doing this then they called me in and they said hey we feel it's time to start a child trafficking unit child i said what is that i mean like the rest of the world like child trafficking you could google trafficking child trafficking in 2001 and nothing would come up like no one was talking about it so even i was like i don't even know what that is i'm i don't think i want to do that yeah like that is me i went home and told my wife she's like no way we had we were just starting a family had a couple kids just like you can't bring that darkness into her i don't want to know what people are doing to kids you know yeah and how are you at this time i was probably like 25 26 yeah and um and so i had to go tell my boss no i'm not gonna do it i was really scared to do it because this guy was intimidating to me uh big his six foot four big white hook mustache more boots to work you know one of those guys his whole life on the border and i was not i just i didn't want to tell him no and but i'm practicing my speech literally in the mirror right like okay how am i gonna say this and my wife walks in to the bathroom and she's crying and she does not get very emotional usually i said what's wrong she's like i didn't sleep at all last night she said for the same reason i thought we had to say no to this because we have children that is the reason we need to say yes because we understand what a childhood is supposed to be and if it's true and we weren't even convinced yet but if it's true that millions are being trafficked this way how can we allow it to happen and do nothing right so so then i said yes and i entered it and it was about you're already practicing your speech yeah and then you decided okay i'm gonna commit to this and this speech became one word yes yes i'm married yeah i'll do it um he's probably he's he put me to work work right away and it was like a thousand times worse than i could have imagined like right away it was just like when was the moment where you saw something that just said this is my i'm taking this on some life mission not just as a part of my job but it was the it was the first time i saw a child that was from the videos when i was like this is it it's i had to make a decision at that point so what had happened was we got intel uh an american man had was kidnapping children in mexico smuggling them into the united states and in san bernardino you can look at this guy this case up his name's earl buchanan you can look it up you can google learn all about the case he had a compound up in san bernardino where he was taking the kids and he was filming his sex acts with these kids he was having sex with them yes filming and filming it and then what's selling it online or keeping it for himself sharing with people and so this guy's coming across the border and um we're on the scene and we get the kid out this five-year-old boy and i it was the moment that he wrote a little boy five-year-old boy and i recognized him from the video no way and i was like oh my gosh i've never seen one of the kids from the video and i'm like i didn't know it's my i had a physiological reaction like i didn't know if i could handle this and then the kid kind of inherently knew we were the good guys right so he runs to us and jumps in our in my arms and he's like holding he's holding me and he's shaking and i'm just like oh my gosh does he speak english you speak spanish maybe bull i don't know and he spoke perfect english which was haunting to me because the only reason he did was because he had been with this guys it turned out since he was a he was taken as an infant oh my gosh and he said to me like no five-year-old should ever have to say to anybody anyone he said i don't belong here and the pain was so severe for me because i could immediately multiply that statement by millions of kids and that was it and then that that led to raiding the the compound and we found 11 other kids no yeah how old in range about from 6 to 12 wow so that was my point of like i had to make a decision i went home after that operation so the first operation there's the first time i've done a lot of cases where we did we did the um receiving end so we did like the search warrants and arrests of pedophiles who were receiving child rape videos but they used to have kids there right this was the first time i saw one of the kids from the video and it like changed my life but the change was either gonna be i'm quitting forever or i'm all in because like there's you can't it's too much to go one to the other you can't go middle ground on this right and i went home that night after two or three days actually i went home to my wife she didn't really know what was going on i walked in the house and then i see my kids right now and they're playing and having fun and this kid was we literally 12 miles away i was i lived 12 miles from the border this kid this was happening to this child and the whole dichotomy of the whole how can we be in the same community and hell here and you know almost paradise here for these children who have every and i just i lost my mind like i just i couldn't handle it i saw my children being hurt i went to like a mental and i literally fell down like my my knees collapsed i fell down and my wife thought i was having a heart attack or something she runs over to me she's like what's wrong what's wrong i'm like i'm out i'm out or i'm in like i can't this is so bad and it was my wife again who said you know she got me calm and and she said look it's hard i know the pain you're clearly suffering something but how does that compare to what that child suffered oh my gosh and i was like no you're right that's it you're not experiencing it yeah like how i felt guilty like how stupid i'm up on my knee i'm jumped up and i'm like i'm in i'm in 100 but the thing that happened and called this luck providence whatever to me was special is the little boy had a necklace that little boy the five-year-old and he his sister had given him the necklace when they were separated by buchanan okay and it was a little dog tag and and he gave it to me you know he knew i had to go find his sister now oh no yeah and we did we got her we got her out oh my god he gave me the necklace and and i tried to give it back said no it's yours it's george this is when he was hugging me and i'm like okay i put in my pocket didn't think much of it but later one of my children found it and said would you get this i'm like uh how do i how do i tell this story to my kid and i tell my kid what i can and he says isn't it cool that that little kid put your name in the necklace dad i said are you talking about my name's on the necklace like yeah yeah your name's right here sure enough i flip it around and that little necklace had a scripture from the bible on it from the book of first timothy oh my goodness so that was like to me i was already feeling like what am i going to do am i going to quit am i going to go full in that necklace i was like it was like that little boy whether he knew it or not just gave me a commission and and that necklace i wore that for every operation i did from that point on and it was kind of like my symbol like i'm in now so wow and and so you started here locally in the us yes and then you started going to different countries right and you started going to south america right originally right right because what happened in 2006 the u.s passed a law called the adam walsh child protect act and what it did was it changed my life people didn't realize for us agents how it did that but it changed the statutory requirements for second we had these sex traveler statutes that said you can't travel to have sex with a child but you had to prove that the perpetrator had the intent in his heart and in his mind while standing on u.s soil before he left which meant before 2006 we had zero prosecutions so the adam walsh protect act said no more you don't have to prove he was thinking about it on u.s oil all you have to prove now is that he left and he committed the act and now we will hold him accountable as if he committed it on our soil really so it's a revolutionary law so now if you go to another country and have and pay to have sex with a child or don't pay and you have sex with a child yeah you can still go to jail here and there's no double jeopardy by the way you can serve 10 years in mexico and and then 20 more years in the u.s wow yeah what is the law i guess around sex having sex with a minor or or paying for sex are they are they different laws or how does that work every state there's like there's different state laws and then there's a fed there's federal law so it depends what jurisdiction and sure it's it's all over the board really yeah um and then internationally same thing it's kind of all over which is great to have the safety net in case like the guy only gets two years and in some in some foreign country we're like well we got you when you get back right and we're gonna we'll treat you differently so so how much is this happening now in the u.s oh it's it's it's it's constant really it's constant yeah it's you we can't keep up with the demand um it's we are half our operations are domestically people don't realize that they think we're only foreign but we support operations here we provide canine units that sniff out digital media you saw some of that at tony's party maybe the video they sniff out digital media they're trained just like a drug dog but they're trained to sniff out like like little thumb drives because what happens is perpetrators pedophiles are high to this they hide it and this is the evidence i mean we'll find a child in here that can lead us to where that child actually is but these guys are hiding it because they know the cops could come any day so they hide it in the carpets they hide it in the floorboards or whatever and and the human being will never find it well we have dogs that run to it because they just train to sniff out the metallic whatever it is yeah and they and that's and we know these guys so we have we've deployed a couple dozen of these dogs right and i love it because there's these beautiful animals and and we chart their rescues like the cinnamon bark is one of our dogs and he had doterra as essential oil company actually paid for it wow and they said you can name it we're gonna have a cinnamon bark that's one of their products you know so amazing um so cinnamon barks one we have spike we have and and they literally have like spikes has has saved ten kids cinnamon bark has saved crazy it's the cool and you look at these dogs like i just love you it's just amazing you know so wow so when did you how much longer were you with uh as a special agent before you left to go start your own foundation so what happened was after that law passed um they put together a group and they basically said okay guys and let's enforce this go out and find americans who are doing this yeah and they put me on the team and put sent me to undercover school and said now go be pretend to be a pedophile or what's cover school undercover school or what is that like it was insane because they sent me to undercover school to teach me how to be a pedophile no how to think like one how to get you know that's that that's right i talk like a how to right how to get in um and i get i get there and they they bring me into a room it's like a studio kind of like this right there's a two-way mirror and they're gonna assess me because in the end it's interesting they said to us we can't train any of you guys to be undercover operators you're just here to so we can determine if you are one it's a very unique it's like an acting and you got to be able to you know it's it's tough you know so it's an assessment right and they have this undercover operator who's like the instructor but he's like one of the top guys in the us government he's a gen he's playing the role of a general smuggler and so they get people are coming in you know candidates like me are coming in one by one to be tested and and they give everybody a different legend like okay you're a drug smuggler you're a terrorist you're and you've got to get this guy to commit yeah and so i get my turn he doesn't know what's coming right and i sit down with him like this and i start i mean i'm just i'm just tripping all over myself there's there's cameras everywhere i'm like i suck at this like it's horrible and i've got to bring up kids now like so i eventually bring it up and the guy's just like hey he says the words out of roll which means a cut and he looks at the guys in the two-way and he's like what are you doing are you punking me like i've got a i have a daughter who's a year old i'm not going to play and he left i'm like what's going on so the instructor comes in he's like tim bottom line like look we're we're new we're in new waters right now man like we're we're gonna we gotta chart this course so i felt very much alone so actually what i did was because there was no real hit there was no curriculum yet you were creating it we were creating it and i actually started reading every book on the last time that i could read we knew that slavery existed so i'm reading about that's how harriet tubman became my hero i mean i'm reading her book her story frederick douglass harry beatrice all the abolitionists really and that it wasn't a casual decision to call our foundation eventually when i got there operation underground railroad because we used the tactics that they used they were undercover operators they were how they used the media how they used the politicians it was like these were masterminds they figured it out and it's like they're now our inspiration so wow that's you know we we built the curriculum off of largely off of that off those stories yeah so at first they were like no you're really bad but then they're like okay you got to figure it out because we don't have a curriculum yeah they eventually figured it out and and and then they sent me overseas and where did you go i was mostly i speak spanish so they sent me mostly into latin america i worked in guatemala and mexico and costa rica and the caribbean colombia and the problem there was an unattended consequence to all this because if i couldn't find the american in the time and the time allowed by the budget that was given like i had to come home like you got it because it would be intel they would say we needed to go to costa rica we've got intel there's these three guys that live there that are coming there right now they're selling with girls boys they're buying them whatever it may be so you had the intel you had to go there find them figure out where they lived exactly what city they're in exactly and then build rapport with them that's right so it wasn't like we're gonna go break down the house and come in become friends with them oh yeah no it's it's it's it's what was this stomach churning meeting this this i'm sitting toe to toe with these guys right and they'll pull out a cell phone and they'll be like okay here's who we got now we got kids we got 10 year olds we got and i'm looking at the pictures i'm like and i've got to pretend to act like you want like she is it's horrible like i the whole i'm doing it like up here i'm smiling and my stomach is just like churning i want to reach across the desk and just destroy this guy but if i do that we'll never find the kids so it's a mental game that like will crush you if you're not like like constantly preparing and constantly how do you manage energy and body language when you know that in your gut you're against this but you have to in your mind like trick this person how do they not get fooled how do you master persuading them when you're against it it's just it's just practice and practice first they send you as a secondary operators you kind of watch and you're kind of just playing the role of someone who's kind of watching and then eventually you get to primary which i got to eventually and then it's you know so it's just practice and like it's interesting i can't really answer that because even the instructors like i said they would say we can't teach you how to do this either you you're just here to tell you if you have it or not wow and and and so that's that's what happened do you ever feel like because you have to get in that mindset of a pedophile and of uh you know someone who's selling or buying kids that that it might ever trick your minds into actually becoming that has that ever crossed your mind where like like how do you keep your mind powerful and strong against us yeah the answer no because because once you see it a decent i couldn't even i wouldn't even burden you with what it is yeah because you see what this is the kind of exploitation and the videos that are made of children you would never be able in your mind and so it's a punch to your stomach and it gets worse every time it gets worse every time and i mean if anything it makes you less interested interested in any kind of sex yeah yeah like i mean i'm kind of opening up here but like in the middle of the case like i come home i'm like i i i need to be alone forever yeah i can't even like my poor wife you know it's like don't you not you don't love me or i'm like i'm just i can't even you know you're emotionally like broken yes you're just broken i mean it breaks you you have to like detox i mean it's horrifying you know so what was this like in costa rica with this first time then for you i think you said it was costa rica or maybe i was making that up i wore that first time for you yeah so so one of one of the k th probably the most interesting case yeah that i worked were a kind of this was the unintended console because the us government didn't expect or i didn't expect is so i make myself debate right and i'm i'm in deep with these guys i'm their friend they trust me we could be weeks or maybe a month or so away from getting the kids and getting to that point but if i don't find the nexus the legal nexus the connection back to the us government it's come home but it's like but if i come home this whole thing goes belly up and so that was the thing i would fight wow until it pushed me too far to the point i was like then i quit and it was it was it was a case in colombia in a case in haiti both i was doing it at the same time and i went too far i went further than i was supposed to go anyway but i got really deep and they said we're the americans to him like we can't sustain this washington's gonna shut this down anyway like we it was no one's fault it's just there's no jurisdiction unless there's americans doing it right you can't go to someone in colombia if they're doing it you can't do anything right right because it's only u.s the only jurisdiction i have is a u.s court so i've got to find a u.s person who's buying kids child or or a perpetrator who's united states got it and so on the columbia case i we had hit like a gold mine of trout like i can't call that but it's we we had hit like the mother lode okay of of bad guys and how many kids they have it was over a hundred kids wow it was gonna be over a hundred kids and and i don't blame my boss at all he did what he had to do he's like you gotta come home because there are no americans involved you can't you there's nothing i can do for he did everything he could to keep it and push it make it happen but there came a point where you just couldn't you couldn't do it and and that's when i had to make a decision and then i called my wife and i said what do i do and she's like my wife she's like just very stable and very like very inspired i'll say and she just said well it's obvious what you do do you think you can save kids i said i i'm very confident we'll save over 100 kids like then you quit your job that's it we'll worry about you do the right thing first and you wait you know always to the right how can how can you live with yourself okay and then she said how can i live with myself i mean there came a point in my wife where where i was like struggling to stay and do and do this job and she said she ended the debate with these words um and these are verbatim because i'll never forget it because it like it like penetrated my soul pierced me into yeah she said i will not let you jeopardize my salvation by not doing this wow i said okay and so if if anyone needs to end a debate with your loved one that that line works it's it's a powerful line wow so you know so that was it and i was like okay that's how you feel then i'm in and we quit and started you're not making millions of dollars you're making a government salary job you're i have no savings yeah i have six kids at the time okay how old are you i'm probably now late thirties yeah and i have no savings yeah you're you're spending thousands it was like food i'm like like i'm like katherine i'm just gonna tell you like this was like uh fall like june i said by or december i said by june we're out of food like i don't know how we're going to feed the kids she's like that doesn't matter it's like how can you live with yourself there's 100 i've said okay no you're right you're right you're just way braver than me okay you're like i gotta protect you i gotta protect the family i gotta be safe oh it was it was gonna provide it was a hard several it was a hard month it's december 2013. oh man and i was just a mess i was a mess this is seven years ago yes so what happens next do you go was that the first thing you quit the job and then you go back to colombia and you assemble like the marvel cast of crusaders to come with you and like i have i have just enough money to do those two up and then there's you're finding it yourself yes yeah so i'm like calling a lawyer you gotta buy guns you gotta buy whatever materials you gotta all right we gotta buy everything we need to get yeah i'm calling a lawyer i'm like how do i make a non-profit like i guess that's the best way to do this i had no idea what i was doing right like well we'll set you up and i got some people to donate and we we just went in we had the two cases the the one in haiti which is the other powerful story and columbia they're both kind of the reasons i left and so i didn't have enough money to go home so i would just jump i would bounce back between haiti and colombia until we had success and we did in both it was both of them were crazy cases and we ended up rushing over 120. no way yeah so what happens after you you guys go in you get the bad guys you know you break up the operation and then there's a hundred kids what happens to those 100 kids next for the next 10 years right so that's the most important part that's the most important question and then that's the question we've asked first before we'll engage with law enforcement partners first of all we always work with law enforcement we're not real the local government law enforcement we say here's our services in this case it was easy because as an agent i was already working with them i had to leave and then i said i'm back yeah i lost my badge and my life maybe but yeah but i brought the resources and and a coalition of the willing you know former law enforcement folks who were willing to just jump onto this operation and um and we but we said we can't do anything until we know where what happens to the kids and so what we do is we have an aftercare department which is our most important department which partners with the local non-government organizations that are after-care centers and they exist in every country and so we partner with them and we say look we could rescue up to this many kids how many could you take and and take means raise yeah because you don't know fund house for until until they go to university you know because so many times more than half the time i'd say there's not a family waiting for them with open arms they there is no family which is how they got taken in the first place or the family's part of the problem because they're they're getting paid they're getting their money yeah and so we set up with those partnerships so that when the kids are rescued we know exactly in fact the aftercare partners are with us when the raid happens and they are right to the kids you're safe you're you're not bad guys because the kids think that am i getting arrested or what's going on you know so we set it up to where the aftercare team is immediately on the ground and the healing process begins and they'll either get potentially adopted by another family or there'll be another facility a home or something yes facility exactly right now what about you mentioned that it sounds like half the time the parents are involved in selling their kids especially i've heard about this in asia like a lot of their it's like a form of love to like say how much money can you bring back to me type of thing i don't know if i'm off there but yeah how do parents what's the psychology behind that for parents where they feel like it's not a bad thing i've heard of this sometimes in some cases it's like part of the culture i guess now how do you as a parent how could you do that how do you get to that point so you're exactly right how you're describing it that is how it is and it's something i cannot comprehend it's it's almost like they're so desperate for for me they're so poor and they're just like well i think they just have to compartmentalize and just kind of normalize sexual activity even if it's your 12 year old daughter like you just gotta this is what we this is what we have to do you know oftentimes it's cyclical it's generational yeah so it's like they were that's what i had to do yeah so that's what you have to do and we've got to break it and and that's been part of the problem because when it's culturally accepted sometimes the laws reflect that as well and so there's a lot of countries we've gone and helped them establish their laws where they didn't exist before and oftentimes i'd say the majority of the first cases we do the first investigations we do in a given country is their first investigation into this as well so that's so we provide the tools we've we built digital forensic laboratories for example we've built one in southeast asia that services four or five countries there and give them the tools they've never had before to go into the dark net to go and find where you know track ips where being distributed yeah it's it's it's it's a nutty thing so is us the biggest consumers of sex trafficking then we're the biggest consumers of child exploitation material so pornography yeah pornography yeah we're the biggest consumers in the world and one of the biggest producers as well of it really yeah so that we are the demand oh my gosh this is why we have success overall why are we so messed up i think it has to do with you first of all it's it's the internet it's access to the internet it's it's the technology that's readily accessible here that we can use the peer-to-peer networks dark net kind of stuff where we can learn how to use that quick it's a software you and then all of a sudden you're in and so it takes a degree of technology and then we have a large population with lots of technology i don't think per per capita it's like a whole lot worse here yeah it's just that we have the numbers and the technology and that together creates it's easier access it's easier access yeah so people become sex addicts easier in this country in mass so there's another industries there's sex addicts all over the world we just have easier access to exploiting that thing and we have 300 million people that are all that all have that access so that creates a lot of demand in this country how easy is it to watch i've never seen child pornography i don't even know how easy that would be how easy if i want to go on the internet right now way too easy how long will it take for me is it 30 minutes is it less five minutes if you have some skill like it's it's not you just type in childbirth no you're not gonna google it no okay and no one tried that by the way i guess the cops will track you yeah no it's not it's not that easy like it's just like a google search but there's ways if you understand the dark net and how and how different networks work i don't know what the that's crazy so if you can get into that then you can find it quickly oh it's it's uh if you haven't it's like updating new stuff all the time oh yeah they're in the last three or four years there's been a 5 000 increase in new child content content it's growing like is it mad i mean are they doing it because they're making money are people having to pay for it is it free like how do they oh they make they make money it's selling it they sell it yeah you purchase access to certain places like membership yeah and then you end up traveling you know you can then you get into that world you get into the networks and you and now you're traveling to engage in and you can become a contact offender as we call a contact offender where you're now having sex having sex yeah a contact offender contact offender contact offender yeah so man this is a whole other world i'm sorry i know i'm bringing darkness to this beautiful show no it's absolutely i think it's so important to educate people on how to live a better life and how to how to you know constantly be educating ourselves on all these different things we have to because the problem is considering the fact that we are the number one demand and we are number three for uh destination countries that means that the pedophiles are here and our kids are here they're they're mixed and mingled amongst this group so parents need to wake up and understand the apps that their kids are using we had a guy just 30 minutes from my home just a few weeks ago who was gaming um with two six-year-old girls from indiana six years old this guy's 42 years old like on twitch or something or like some platform well started on facebook these kids were on facebook and then it went most games today have the ability to you know you can play with other people another social media from across the earth it's fun it's cool but parents who didn't grow up with this mentality and this technology they think their kids are playing the computer because when i was a kid it was atari yeah and you're playing the computer yeah you're not playing other people right so parents don't even think like oh she's playing that cute little game she's fine she's been playing for six months with a pedophile from salt lake city and the guy got the kids the six-year-old girls two of them to undress and take no naked picture i'm not kidding he just said just desensitize them they can read or you can talk to them and you know and just like take your clothes off put the camera in there no way yes and the ag's office picked the guy up and arrested him but this is happening in mass especially right now we've never seen it like we have right now because the kids are out of school kids are out of school and people are in their homes pedophiles are out of work and and we can chart we can track their chatter on the dark net and they're communicating and they keep saying it's harvest time these kids are sitting down no they're not they're not saying this they are how many six million up up to six million additional reports from the national center admissions for mission exploited children than the same time last year and we won't even know the ramifications it'll take years before these some of these victims come up because these guys are the lines are out in the water right now we take for granted the infrastructure of schools and after-school programs and sports programs we take for granted how safe that makes our kids from these online predators because that's where they are they're online so it's easier to fish now as well oh yeah because the mom and dad are worried about their jobs they're scavenging for food the kids hey they're they're told take the smartphone take the laptop stay here play games do your schoolwork we gotta go figure it's almost less safe to be on a tablet than it is to be at an after-school program 100 percent less safe to be i mean you know you hear you hear stories about uh is it larry nassar i think the uh yeah the gymnastics doctor yeah it's like okay you felt like your kids were safe at a yeah a u.s sanctioned brains training program but this happened to hundreds of girls but it's right less safe right it's a great point some people will say well i get worried about after-school programs and this is a credible doctor who's like right and that happens as well but this in terms of the sheer numbers is way more threatening because there's millions of people it's easier to do it there's millions of kids they know the parents aren't paying attention because they're worried about their their livelihood yeah and they just access the kids and they start gaming with them they start they they friend them on you know on facebook or whatever and all of a sudden it's it's on and it's horrible what are two or three things that parents can do now that they have this information to protect their kids against any type of sex offenders so the most important thing is understand the apps your kids are on understand the social media platforms your kids are on know if people can access them pretty readily pretty quickly and and that's the problem is parents just if you're if you're my age or older we missed it we missed the internet so we didn't we didn't grow up understanding with raging hormones and and undeveloped brains we didn't have to deal with internet too our kids do and so parents just don't know there's an education one of the most challenging apps that should be aware of or is it all social media all social media anywhere where you can connect with people with bad guys facebook tick tock snapchat instagram it doesn't matter the parents of the six-year-old girls i told you about they said we had no idea we thought the kids were just playing the computer wow no no they were playing a pedophile and the little kid game whatever it was and so parents that's the number one thing know what your kids are doing understand the applications if you need help you can go to your internet service provider and say hey can you send me a record of every you own that phone that you give your kids right right they can give you a record of every site that's hit every game conversation yeah yeah right every conversation what's the conversation that a parent should have with their kids whether they're 5 or 15 to at least educate them a little bit without scaring them you know but what can a parent say whether they know something's happening or not to prepare them for this so it's a great question and for me having nine kids you have to really meditate and pray and focus on each individual kid and customize that answer because if you come in too early you can hurt them it's a tough subject you know but if you miss if you come in too late you could also hurt them so when they start asking questions and when you kind of feel your intuition luckily i have my wife who i can say when is it time for this one it's it's it's now okay let's have the talk and then what you say also is customized you know to what you think they're ready for but you have to be in front of it whatever that answer is that's the key is being have a close relationship with your kid be their friend and their parent and underst and connect with their soul so that you can get that inspiration okay now is the time and here's what i'm going to tell you um too often we say nothing because we don't want to talk about sex and you know it opens that whole door or birds in the beast and parents just ignore it that's the worst thing you can do because then someone else is going to teach them and they're going to get hurt so it's just it's just tuning into that kid wow that's the responsibility to have as a as a parent yeah to be a leader and to have hard conversations yeah i'm not a parent yet so i i don't look forward to it but i also know that i'm going to rise to the occasion yeah and be able to have the courage to be able to have those hard conversations how do you categorize a pedophile and how many of them are there in the usa well like what's the definition someone someone who who actively seeks sexual interaction with a child in person contact no there's still a pedal it could be you could not have become a contact defender quite yet but they all want to become it's like someone who looks at porn right an adult who's looking at i don't think anyone looks at porn with with that being the end right right they want to take action eventually and that's that's how child pornographers are as well they're eventually looking to take action and take become a contact offender that's crazy how many are there so there's we know i couldn't give you the exact number but we do know this there's the fact that there's two million children in sex slavery consider what kind of number justifies that demands it's probably 50 x right exactly it's like any other market percentage is going to take two million kids that means you're going to have a market of the u.s or two million that's worldwide yeah yeah and but the u.s number keeps rising there's a couple hundred thousand weeks to make children but that number there's about there's about 18 000 women and children a year who are smuggled in to the united states for the purposes of of of being exploited as as as slaves and is this uh a financial transaction 300 000 kids or is this sexual abuse um against from adults yeah there's a mix there's a mix of of both of those i mean for me i you know i was sexually abused when i was five by a man that i didn't know you're kidding me i'm not yeah the babysitter's son he was probably 16 or 17 i was five it's one of my probably first three or four memories i've ever had my gosh for 25 years i didn't tell anyone and it deeply shaped my life the it only happened once i can't even imagine something happening over and over again and not feeling comfortable or safe and it deeply impacted the way i think the way i took action how i was defensive and and like everyone i felt like everyone was out to get me it was like everyone's trying to abuse me everyone's trying to take advantage of this and it showed up in every area of my life from sports to teachers to relationships to business partners until six and a half seven years ago i finally opened up and started to heal and started talking about it for the first time for 25 years no one knew about this wow and it was one of the hardest things i ever did was talking about it and then i knew that this had power over me because i had i was so afraid of what would happen if people knew this about me the more i talked about it with family than friends then i finally opened up publicly about it on my show and the the moment when it was no longer like scary to talk about it was when i realized like okay now my healing is starting yeah and it's been an amazing six and a half year journey of healing the past letting go forgiving obviously not forgetting it's always going to be with me the memory but the ability to have peace in my heart and move on and see what can i do moving forward to make sure that other people aren't sexually abused no yeah what you're doing is so important because this is the the problem is people they heal they've got to come they've got to start talking you have to talk about it yeah it's the only way you can really heal is to start sharing with someone whether it's a spiritual pastor a therapist a parent that you trust a friend you trust but when you hold on to this secret and you don't tell anyone you're going to suffer right now imagine this that's happened once right yeah one time that happened every day every week yeah i imagine so i was with a neurologist once because i had to understand that what's going on with these kids and he said tim let me show you something he told me two brains on scans of brains two children's brains and he said do you see what i'm do you see the scarring in the air what's going on he said one of these brains was a traumatic car accident this other one was a child who for five years was sexually abused and i was like wait what very similar so that's what i mean it creates actual physiological scarring in your brain absolutely and then this is the problem so the rehab part the chronic stress the chronic fear all these different things yes it actually creates a physical brain damage yeah that requires physical healing of that brain which and when i saw that i can't tell you how motivated i was to get back out and just start nailing these guys because this is i mean there's there's nothing worse in my mind in earth or hell than this yeah most these kids would rather they were killed than go through this you know our sentencing so far i don't think really reflects the the real damage that's being done and it's because people don't want to talk about it right we gotta the more we talk about it the better our justice system will be the more the better our aftercare services will be but this is a very real very very real threat to all our kids and how's the process work for you if you can break it down for me how do you decide who you're gonna go after is it okay we're assessing the dark web information first we have researchers on your team that are finding this person's got 50 kids this has got 20 you know how do you guys assess like where to go make to hit so when i first left the government i had on i had basically pending cases right that i couldn't work because they were outside my jurisdiction so those first ones like the one in columbia and haiti those were easy but then after that i was like now where did we find the next so it's funny it's funny great question because i start i'm like knocking on doors like can i work can i help you guys because those two hits were successful so we got more donation dollars so i'm like wow and i had to actually convince people like you have a problem we can help we were turned down seven years later turned down by what governments governments by law enforcement like we don't need your help we're fine here we don't think there's a problem you know today seven years later we are saying no like we can't keep we can't keep up everybody's asking us hey so-and-so told us you did x y and z in their country can you help us with this piece can you help us with that and so now what we have to do is is we have to find the law enforcement units around the world we're in 26 countries the ones that are they can sustain our tools so if we give them something and give them training that it's a scalable solution they have you know so it's not just us doing the work and then leaving so that's how we kind of judge it right now we wish we could be everywhere but we have to go to where they're most prepared to make the biggest difference the biggest impact of course so and what are what are the top three countries right now that have the most cases and the the biggest problem i i think i think southeast asia really is oh that whole region is just just so sad and so so terrible but but the law enforcement is doing amazing work and working work really closely with us that's where we put our first digital forensic lab and so now they're going in and routing out the this is crazy and it's 50 locals and it's 50 kind of u.s based who's coming in and committing the crime yeah lots of lots of sex tourists the locals i think about the industry is the sex tourist industry how much how much money okay well human so human trafficking yeah all together is 150 billion dollars away 150 billion and so to put in how much does the sex uh tourism in human trafficking um it's that's about uh 35 billion i believe wow yeah just the sex alone it's 35 billion the the contact the the sec the physical sex not the digital uh consumption of media right yeah 35 billion dollars in the selling of people for sex oh my gosh 35 billion you can imagine that number i mean and then you bring in the slave labor and that that's what gets it up to 100 trafficking in general in general and to give some perspective because that number is so big with that with the amount of money made buying and selling people every year you could buy every starbucks franchise in the world you could buy every nba team and still have enough money left over to send every u.s child to college for four years that's how much money is spent in modern-day slavery every year that's why i say this isn't a peripheral thing right even though we act like it is because we don't want to address it we don't want to engage in a hurt why do we not want to address it it hurts you know it's just it's like i i know why because i didn't want to address it i ran i tried to i tried to quit many times okay and my wife always turned me around and said you can't sweetie oh my gosh you know um because here's what happens and this will happened to me is you see children being hurt and you can't help it you superimpose your own children's faces on those children and then you just can't bear it right you just can't handle it i mean i had to go to psychotherapy to not do that mandatory they sent us every year to get checked out and i kept i'd go every year and think okay this is my year that i'm gonna yeah they're gonna boot me out because i know i'm crazy and like oh you passed mr bellator what saved me because i thought i was crazy no you're fine okay um but one of the things that was the hardest thing for me to kick is learn how to not see my own child's face so i could deal with it later on about about 10 about 15 years later into this i changed my tune and i allowed myself to see my kids faces and that made all the difference because then all of a sudden now i'm i'm pushing the envelope it's more you're more connected to it what happened was i i came across a situation a few years back where we were but we were going into a child trafficking center and there was 28 little children they were being sold little meaning under 12. oh from one to 12. for sex for sex and so i'm walking into they think i'm a customer and i'm walking in and i see all these kids like a storefront it was it was it was an orphanage front they were claiming to be an orphanage no way this was in haiti they were claiming to be an orphanage but all the kids were mostly kids they collected after the hurricanes or earthquakes they their parents die and they say oh come to our orphanage oh it's not an orthodox so we were actually tracking a missing child that we knew had been there and so that's what got us in there and when i saw the kids outside the gate i was about to go in the same it was almost like a ptsd reaction where i'm like oh i see i'm seeing my kids okay do the training they taught you but instead i said you know what what if i don't do that this time what if i let it happen what if i just allow my these kids to be my kids so i went in there and i was like oh my gosh i never should have done that technique i should have always done this and this is what i encourage before you were wearing like a mask right so you wouldn't feel it deeply but now you're feeling it so deep so deeply and what wouldn't you do for your own child wow so now i'm willing to go the distance right and that case got nuts and it's funny i i know this experiment led to this we when after we rescued we arrested 28 kids we did the whole sting by and i ended up adopting two of the kids that we rescued who are now my kids in haiti yeah it was a preventative strike turns out none of it haven't actually been sold yet they're all being sold and so yeah so two of my kids now they came from that operation wow so they literally it like literally made your kids they came by kids yeah wow how many kids do you have now i have nine now wow seven from birth of europe seven seven yeah by my life yeah and then uh two and then two adopted yep how many more i mean how many do you want to have oh man we were the prenup said six okay when we got married yeah then we were done at six and and we were both done we're like we can't we got the six i came from six my wife came from six yeah and then this case happened after that and we saw these kids and it was just like here's my wife again i called her and said you won't believe this what i just saw these two little kids it was the two kids i actually bought in the sting operation i just like grew attached to them and it was my wife who just had this experience and she just said i want to be their mom wow i said no you don't you can't do this like we can't do this you know i want to be their mom so that's how that's how it started and we ended up bringing them home and then the seventh one came defying all science somehow somehow yeah so how how much does it cost to buy a k i mean to buy a kid is it to buy them to own them to buy them to have sex what's the difference between you they do both okay so generally if you're gonna take a kid if you're gonna if you're gonna use a kid for for the weekend or something you can probably double or triple the price of what the the the the adult sex market would be so if whatever a prostitute you know sex worker or whatever you want to call it you can double triple double triple for for a child for a night or a weekend for purchasing it depends what the country but those those kids they sold me that became mine yeah were fifteen thousand each um but the workforce for a person's life yeah unbelievable just say here it's yours in the middle east where we're dealing with isis and we're working and this is we're getting an organ harvesting and a pediatric heart is up to a quarter million dollars so that's a kid's heart a kid's heart so much that's how much it sells in the black market how often is this happening with organ harvesting in the middle east quite a bit so isis rolls in in 2015. and they make sex slaves out of the yazidi people these these beautiful people that are just peaceful and living in northern iraq and a little bit in syria as well and isis came in and just said you were less than human and they just took him and made sex slave markets out of them also a lot of the christian communities were were devastated in a similar way uh eventually isis gets pushed off its sovereign territory and was making its money by taking over taking over cities and like taxing people so they lost their oil revenues when they got pushed off the land but they kept the kids and so like we got to make money so they start selling these kids to sex slavery or to organ harvesting oh my gosh we've taken down two organ harvesting rings in already so far so we this is they keep the kids alive after they take out some of their organs or is it you're dead obviously obviously it depends yeah and not if it's if it's a kidney or something they just take it out and then okay see you later yeah you can there's people are finally reporting on it i think cbs or abc news recently did a story on it but we're in the middle of it this is the nazarene fund i'm the ceo of also the nazarene fund which is a sister organization with who you are uh mercury one glenn beck started that oh wow and then i took it over three years ago yeah yeah i know he was the godfather of our as well he he gave us all our first money the money i needed to rescue those kids in colombia and haiti that was glenn really he was the only one he was the only one that took the chance he's like oh i'll front it go for it i'm like are you serious he's like yeah he got he got me the money was pretty intense oh that's nice yeah it risked his whole his old media company wow really yeah his lawyer said don't do it if they fail or someone gets hurt you're screwed he's like he's like i don't care it's like i'm not going to go to my maker and tell him i said no it was an amazing story um so yeah so he he he asked me to run the nazarene fund three years ago so that's our work in the middle east which is just this stuff with and we're expecting these kids i mean we're going in and taking the kids out so have you found kids who've had uh you know i guess organs taken out or oh yeah no they're and they're the ones that are surviving stuff really yeah so you find them and they got they're sewn up or whatever yeah and there's that's there's there's been like i said there's some mainstream media have gotten into it thank goodness in the last several months and you can see people can go on google and you can see it they're stitched up there but but if you're if you're a small child they're going to make their most money off a pediatric heart 4 million they're very high in demand yeah man this is crazy man yeah servicing markets generally outside the united states right like these are markets and countries there's no regulations and there's just black market stuff the work you're doing is really amazing and you've got a movie coming out which i got to see a trailer of it a couple months ago yeah and when's the date it's coming out do we know where we don't know later in the year shifted everything so we don't really know but the film is locked it's done it starts jim caviso mary servino bill camp it's gonna be amazing it's it's these guys were these guys are artists they're geniuses it's they did a very good job and what's the movie called what's it what's it telling the story of it's called the sound of freedom and it basically tells the story i just a lot of that i just told you yeah um like for example with the little boy in the van they actually filmed that scene exactly where it happened with the necklace and all that goodness and it gets into colombia the the columbia raid where we rescued the 120 our first big operation that rescued 121 yeah and what's your what's your mission moving forward with uh the movie with just everything you're up to is it to end uh sex slavery is it to rescue a certain amount of kids end it yeah so we did an experiment we and and it was very telling in 2014 we we put all almost all of our resources into the north northern region of columbia and one region one region and we just said we just pounded of it pounded like every month two or three operations and empowered law enforcement and then to the point where they stopped and the would-be trafficker said yeah i had to give it up i'm into drugs and i'm doing something this is crazy and so we we did it we knew what happened it's logical like now there's a consequence there wasn't before but we did it to show like if everybody would would would focus focus focus on child crimes we if we all did it together we could we could end it but it's not going to be governments alone it's going to be people getting loud which is we have opportunity right now because people are getting loud about it for the first time in a long time or maybe ever on july 30th which is yeah there's anti-human trafficking um you know world anti-awareness yeah yeah so how can how can my listeners get involved whether a small where they want to get involved in a bigger way what can they do can they go to your website can they email you can they people can go to their message org is the website um look at our videos and there's a there's something on there this is joining the fight we have all sorts of ideas people can do to get involved so i talked about that dog tag right the dog tag that becomes my commission right it's with my name on it it changed my life and a lot of people said i want one of those i want my commission so um love grenade is a company that has made replicas of that very necklace and people can get it and that can become their commission and they can wear it and remember the kids and so there's a link here i believe on your one of those shows yeah people and the money goes towards rescuing kids people can also text help them to 51555 and we're giving specific instructions on how you can get involved in your city on july 30th 60 cities have already committed to to get loud in some way they'll go to a park you know obey the laws and the social distancing but that's a generally go to a park and local leaders will show up and commit that we're going to do more for kids and make sure the kids in your community are protected wow yeah it's exciting and if you want to be a part of helping spread the message make sure to share this video out or share this audio out and uh make sure to follow tim what are you on social media tim ballard 89 tim bauder89 make sure to follow tim make sure to tag him when you're sharing this out so he can follow up with you as well and stay connected i know you do a lot of other stuff behind the scenes that i want to get into hopefully soon in utah and be a part of learning about how you guys yeah we're bringing you up man we're going to put you into one of our training programs lock me in um uh so the movie be aware so if you go to the website if you sign up you follow you you'll be able to watch the movie when it comes out yeah we'll keep you up to date on everything yeah so you've got a bunch of books to talk about this as well if you want to dive in down the rabbit hole you can yeah i got lots of content for you if you want to learn more exactly exactly but this is an amazing mission that you're on for me who's been you know i wasn't sold but i dealt with sexual abuse and i know the trauma that it has in the years of unwiring that it takes to feel normal to feel like the world isn't out to get you to feel like your stress levels go down to feel like i kind of go to sleep at night it took me hours to go to sleep every night until i was about 30. and then when i started to heal i could finally sleep yeah so i know what it does to the wiring of a human being with sexual abuse that's right i can't even imagine what it would do to someone who's being sold by their parent not by their parent over and over and over again for years i couldn't even imagine how you would start to heal so what you're doing is an amazing gift and service to humanity and i really acknowledge you for that tim for for being an incredible leader in this space being a hero in this space i don't think and using your wisdom your skills your tools your resources your relationships to make the biggest impact in this space and i want to be a support for as long as i can on this it's a big part of me that i want to help out as well i want to ask you a final uh final few questions this is um called the three truths so i wanna imagine it's your last day on earth okay and you go somewhere else after your body dies right okay yeah but you've accomplished every dream you could think of in your whole life for your personal life with your family your kids for your businesses for your foundation anything you can imagine it's come true but for whatever reason all of your work has to go with you your videos movies content it's got to go with you to the next place but you get to leave behind three lessons you know to be true you get to write it down on a piece of paper and this is all we would have to remember you by are these three lessons or what i like to call three truths what would you share with the world that are your three truths i think the first truth the most important truth and this comes from years of trying to find light in my darkness because it's a work in this world is so dark and it will destroy you it will destroy you i need to find light and so my my advice to people would be or you know what i would share is because we all have darkness i don't care who you are you don't need to be fighting trafficking right darkness is everywhere yeah so i would my mind would be based on how to get light in your darkness and the number one thing is serving other people service turns the lights on tony robbins taught me this i mean i i knew it just functionally but until he put words to it in the research i mean when you when you serve people something happens to your brain like there's a physiological in my mind it's god i'm a faith guy and and and um when you um when you serve people your brain literally releases serotonin and endorphins and and oxytocin and and uh what it does is people that have an excess of those beautiful you feel better you feel better you're healthier you're happier you have more courage you have more optimism you have this is science yeah right now in my mind what that is is it's also i believe it's god preparing your body to commune and and with a god your creator whatever it is i don't care but a higher source that will then give you that you need to to be a better version of yourself yeah so service has all these benefits apart from just doing the good of helping somebody it's this amazing thing that turns the lights on in so many ways so service number one to other people number two it's kind of related to it but it's it's that communion part it's it's it's prayer meditation whatever you want to call it um but connecting to that greater being whatever that is and and and getting that that positive energy because it just makes if you're a better version of yourself you are a blessing to other people right so it's not a selfish thing it's it's actually a selfless thing get yourself good because then you're good for others you know and so number two i'd say that is that that meditation that communion mm-hmm and then the number three is find at least one person that you really love and that really loves you back there's a lot of relationships you know where you don't you don't have time or there's the ability to connect that way but for me it's my wife to find that person because i mean i've told you many stories and you have no the the coolest stories i told you was actually me running away and my wife turned me back around thank goodness none of this would happen i wouldn't be sitting here with you if she hadn't turned me around when i ran for cover throughout my life throughout my career and and i credit that relationship with with what's the thing you love about catherine the most your wife she does the right thing no matter what and and and it doesn't matter the consequences i mean she literally said to me if we end up on a beach in a tent and that's where we're living because we did this i don't care we have to do the right thing by these children and by god and the right thing is to quit ever and leave everything i mean i calculated it was millions of dollars in pension and i had a whole i had a whole chartered out my life would turn out all right i'm like captain we're watching it doesn't matter these are real children and there's and there's consequences for yeah and if you say one it's worth this in her mind how is it not worth it and just how quick she gets to that like this is wrong this is right we're gonna do the right thing okay like that she just she has that kind of it's it's a it's intuition it's inspiration a conscience i don't know what you call it but she she has it and and i know i can go to her and say i don't want to do what i do and she's going to be right you know and if she doesn't know she'll tell me i don't i don't know let's figure this out yeah so i think that's that's the thing i i i love most about her that's beautiful yeah okay um we can find you online timbalard89 we'll we'll connect and link up everything in the show notes i've got is there anything that you want to share that you haven't shared before my final question anything you wish people asked you about this or do you feel like people need to know about you know one thing i'll say is um i'm worried about the world right now i'm worried about kids right now a lot um because i feel like we pursue good things and and they make sense but too often we don't consider the children who are being hurt and it's unintended it's no one's intent to do this but we we talked about for example we're in the middle of a debate right now and i'm not this is not partisan for me it's not political even though everything seems to go that way these days right but but the the idea of opening schools and what that does all i'm saying i'm not going to give the answer to the question i'm not smart enough to give an answer to that question but i will say this that we're not listening we're not even con i don't see the kids as part of the debate for example the spike six million additional reports of children being abused originating online this is from the national center for missing his black children and that's a lot of pain yeah and it happened because we as a society we decided to shut everything down because of covet okay do we know the trade-offs that's all i'm asking do we are we considering the trade-offs and the concern i have is you know the cdc and others have come out i'm not a scientist but i can read data and if you're 60 years or younger you have a 99.9 chance of surviving if you're older it's very very very dangerous and you should definitely take mass precautions and we should do everything we can to support that but teachers who create the infrastructure that keep kids from being sexually assaulted they like 89 are under 60 years old and so the real question we should be asking is what's what's what's scarier to you a virus once we've taken care of the the most vulnerable what's scarier are a virus with a 99.9 survivability or the trade-off hundreds of thousands maybe millions of children being sexually assaulted we're not even having the discussion that's my concern i'm not smart enough to come up with the actual solution yeah but at least have the the this goes and then and it boils down to this kids can't get loud they can't organize they can't protest they can't march and so we don't hear from them it's on us adults to stand up and be their voices yeah and say we will sit at the table for you we will make sure you are represented wow so that's that's my thing about it yeah sure something to think about we need to figure out a solution right it's hard these are complex things i don't i don't have the answers but i know kids are being hurt and i know more can be done to make sure they're not sure absolutely well there's always more we can do that's for sure and you're doing amazing things man i appreciate you i got one final question that's what's your definition of greatness i think um for me greatness is is how much positive impact you can be on others in fact i i i try to make this a rule i'm not great at this i just i'm a believer in it okay i'm not a master of it but when we're when when when given a a fork in the road right a crossroads you gotta make a decision and we do it every day do i do this or do that i don't know what to do um which one will help more people and if you always take that road i think that's the definition of greatness yeah that's about my man thank you thanks bro appreciate you man thank you man and if you want to learn how to become happier in your life then make sure to check out this video right here you get such a deep sense of self-worth that you matter and guess what everyone matters whether you matter to one people or one million people everyone matters but if you see your impact in someone's life you will feel such a deep sense of self-worth

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Length: 68min 13sec (4093 seconds)

Published: Wed Jul 29 2020