Holiday Box Showdown! Has their value decreased each time?

hello and welcome to the PO Hammer podcast episode 92 I'm your host Brad this is my co-host Eric how's it going and we have a fun episode today because we're going to relax a bit yeah it's holiday season so we've got some uh bundles to take a look at yeah so without any further Ado let's jump into this before they're all out of stock sounds good all right so after an offscreen tangent of complaining about the Warhammer website for a half hour yeah I thought it was just a queue that was a problem cuz it's pre-order time but uh Eric was unaware they updated their website to look like a trash site you could buy for five bucks in 2016 yeah I was unaware but ah whatever that's not what we're talking about today we're going to talk about plastic and bundles and not a website so let's frame what we're going to discuss I don't want this to be stats vomit everybody has done those videos and can do them faster than us this will be a week after you've all known the prices pre-order went up over the weekend so you guys could have already bought these spoiler alert every single one has savings if you tried to buy all of them individually they always do GG now what I want to talk about is on a more personal level our opinions on each box which ones seem worth it which ones don't why and also I had the patrons help me out and find previous boxes for each Army except for obviously voton and world leaders to check over time if we have experienced shrinkflation which for those who don't know it's where you charge for the same amount of money and you just keep shrinking what's in the product so that people don't notice yeah you don't need a dozen eggs you only need 11 now don't worry about that Blank Spot this is a real thing that has had control put on it in the food sector but it is something that can hide the fact that GW has increased the price 15 times in 5 years of every one of their products but these have not moved as much in 2020 they were $200 in 2021 they were a mix of 200 or 210 2022 they were all 210 2023 they're all 230 isn't actually that large of a spread a few years things go up a bit that's a normal amount if that's all kits went up by it wouldn't have been the worst with the amount of actual inflation we've had the last couple years yeah it's annoying but but when you look at some of the price changes I expect we're going to find shrinkflation occurred I have not actually analyzed the data yet that was why I had some of the patrons help me out I wanted to go into this fresh with my hypothesis that I'm going to find that 2023 has worse value than previous years I could be wrong on air and that's fine but I want to actually see if I'm right yeah and I mean there's also just I would like to think about what the value is from the actual box because I mean we know that some models have an MSRP value that you look at and go but nobody wants to pay that three out rers is $60 no one is going to pay $60 for three out Riders they're a trash unit and they were in every combo set for 3 years you can probably get them for 10 bucks on eBay and the kits are notoriously awful to boot they like don't even go together right so it's one of those that like yeah just because it's technically on paper a good value you look at it and you're like well no I don't want any more Zang gor thank you GW go away exactly so we're going to talk about these from a value standpoint but from a more personal value standpoint rather than raw numbers do you want to just start with the two that have the least comparison because they're new okay let's do voton and let's do world leaders these ones come out pretty well if you're interested in either Army I think both of them are snap pickups if you have not started your collection I think that's the massive key world leader suffers from what the 2022 box has suffered from which is it has a massive name character eating up a ton of the value like Magnus and mortarion did last year and angr is $170 which means it's do you want a second one if you already have one cuz if not you're not getting good value and another thing to look at with these is are the other intro points you can use right now well accented by this right in this case yes even with the awful way the world leaders com B Patrol is just a bunch of troops because they didn't add many to this most likely because they realized that it would be a terrible acccident if there were 20 Berserkers in this box that's more a problem with the combat Patrol in this box yeah but it does matter like when you're looking at getting these combo boxes it's nice to look get do the other combo boxes already do this just better so with World eaters angron 10 corn Berserkers and 68 bound or exalted eight8 bound this accents the battle Patrol very well which is just a shitload of troops in one character that is not in this box from a price saving standpoint you almost get a free angron if you're paying MSRP for everything I mean almost is a bit excessive you're saving 125 bucks yeah and angr 170 yeah you should not be paying MSRP especially on giant models but I see what you're saying of like there is good raw value here but it's fine if you don't have an angron yet yep but it is is a problem for if you do and it was the problem with last year's boxes of it was great as a way to get into the army it was not great if you were a fan of the army yeah anytime these boxes have such a so much of the value as in one model like if over half the values in one model if you already have that model it doesn't work out very well but it is really nice if you don't like if you're just getting into it the world leaders is going to be really nice to have and it'll go well with the combat Patrol photon is an a very similar position and is the highest Savings of every one of them the Von box has an inhair Champion grimnir 10 Hearth guard which is two kits of Heth guard the hecaton land Fortress and the sagitar which no one has been able to purchase for like 6 months this comes out to a whopping $385 us at MSRP because Von is wildly overpriced while the world eaters was amazing from a point standpoint because angron's jacking it all up and was at like 915 points he's pretty good though it was fine but it was a non-re repeatable box this box is more defensible to get two of if you're getting into the faction not that I'm going to tell you to run out and spend $500 yeah but this is like very close to voton Army in a boss yeah because it's 750 points only because again Von is really cheap in points right now it shouldn't be but it is so it will probably be more points once they get fixed I expect when they get a codex it'll be more points but at least I hope so yeah but this is pretty acceptable for a point count in my head considering that it's probably actually Higher by 75 to 100 points in a year and it gives a pretty good options of what voton has and it accents their combat Patrol well with zero overlap I still look at the heon land Fortress and go you GW for putting it at that price but ignoring that knee-jerk emotional reaction the Von box is really good yeah I think this one would be totally fine to get one of or if you're rich to of if you're trying to just like instant voton Army yeah cuz 20 Terminator equivalent is probably the most you're ever going to want of those but two of your main battle tank two of your transports two of your psycher two of your Melee character is totally fine and then you just buy the combat Patrol or two copies of the combat Patrol whatever and you have well over your points count to just start picking and choosing things to play honestly you basically have voton yeah you have the whole range at that point I don't think anything's missing oh uh the tech priest equivalent that would be the only model that you wouldn't own yeah then that's like pretty wild to just be like oh I pick up four boxes and I own the entire Army essentially in double yeah you could pick up one of each and own the entire Army yeah not that that is great because that means the Army is small but solid option getting into the army and honestly if you just don't have 2K points yet and you need a land Fortress this is a good option all right before we get to my hypothesis let's finish talking about the current ones all right so let's talk about the elephant in the room Space Marines has got awful do not spend your money if you're a new player you got into Space Marines and you're like oh boy I sure do love my blueberries do not waste your money on this box you don't like the uh Invader come on SO The Invader ATV is like it's been a defensible unit before and probably will be again but an MSRP it's $50 for a McDonald's toy out Riders is $60 for three McDonald's toys and they are a notoriously kit that will not go together that's the real problem is like I could understand some of that but they're just not good it's not a seamline it is a visible giant Gap I know because I helped my brother assemble his out Riders it still looks like after all the fixes we did yeah it needs like green stuff to fill in not to just like hide stuff or like finish some potential scrapes or whatever it's like no just finish the model like you have to continue building it that unit should have been abandoned it should have been thrown in the dumpster and it clearly was on a technical level because they never followed it up there never got a multi-art kit with options they all just run around with the basic chain sword load out being a terrible unit and then they finish it up with just jump pack assult and stressors like those are are good but which is it's the new kit and it is priced to sell from a actual gameplay standpoint of being strictly better than playing the non- jump pack assault intercessors and they are so this is where we get into okay throw out the out rer and The Invader ATV right yeah if you throw out the out rer and The Invader ATV you could get 15 jump pack intercessors and the captain for $220 the box is $230 if you don't want terrible McDonald's toys do not buy this box but they're kind of free in a weird way if you wanted everything else in the Box you get to pay $10 for McDonald's toys right you don't get a Happy Meal though you do not and please don't eat the plastic unless you're a marine yeah so the Space Marines one is not great we're not really here for it from a point standpoint it's horrendous too so the other two were 915 points points which is a bit on the high end I'll admit world leaders gets away with being hugely high point com because of angron yeah I was like again that's just the if you have so many points so much dollars per single unit things get skewed but voton is very much in line with the other ones we're about to talk about at 750 points and it's it's about what I want a box that's expensive to be giving me in points it should be at least a third of an army right yeah ideally it would be half an army but optimally a bit more you know your 800 900 would be nice 750 is a reasonable point the space Maring box including your McDonald's toys is 505 points it is almost exactly just a combat Patrol being sold for way more money that's not good I mean it's very much a box of the jumpol intercessors like if you want those I guess you can get some other things at the same time for cheapish but they're not good and we should move on from this travesty all right let's do uh Orcs text the Orcs one is awesome it is my favorite of the bunch just from a what I personally like when I look at the Box this is the part of Orcs I love this is a great box it has amazing variety in it yeah well I mean it has the great variety of a section of the army that you would be interested in so if you like the squigs this is good you get a kill rig you get boys you get Squig hog boys and you get a beast boss it's basically everything that you want when you're trying to get into the Squig portion of the army and for some reason the kill R's $140 on its own I did not know that yeah they're expensive as insane it's cool model it is one of the best orc models out of the box I love the big Squig he's got a big Rhino horn they welded on his face right yeah this is the side of the Orcs that you enjoy and I get that and I like it too I'm probably going to get this box cuz it basically rounds out my section of Orcs that are going to do the Squig part but at the same time if you're not interested in that section of the army that's all it is kind of thing so but if you're interested in Orcs And you like the snake bite side of the army like all of the squigs and all that this is like an easy double pickup type one where it's like an instant Army it's like almost 750 points the dollar value is pretty good too at 365 you get essentially that entire section of the Army in a vertical slice two copies lets you alt build stuff if you want so you could do Hunter rig and were boss instead of kill rig for one the sets you could do the generic and mozog to have both types of the Squig boss it's definitely one of those that let you do two options very easily without like having to actually get into kit bashing it's just like you can alternatively build this other thing and it's still ghol and if you uh just like all of Orcs it has zero overlap with the combat Patrol which is more generic boys and a little bit of junkyard look yeah and that's why I'm going to get it is cuz the space basically finishes off this section of the army for me uh doubt I want you to get at least one more kill rig for half of my lists yeah fine whatever dude Christmas present decided Eric's getting a kill rig wow how exciting but this box is legit awesome it Nails everything that I would want out of the box and I mean yeah obviously like if they had more for cheaper I would be happy but this is a good place to be we can go into another good one with tyranids honestly this is probably going to be the most popular if I have to guess for new players I mean given a lot of people got into tyranids yeah and when I got into necrons they did a combo box for Christmas that year in the 2020 batch I have to go look at it but I remember it being the same way where it was basically the other part of the army but I remember it also having some not great units so the Box had a a triarch stalker priorians or lichard a technomancer Immortals more Warriors which was very unfortunate Doom scythe and a spoo it was fine and I remember being tempted by it but I had gotten so much of this just through eBay collections already that I didn't really need it but if you were just starting out and you just got into tyrin through Leviathan this very correctly from a GW Sales standpoint has no overlap it's the rest of the range update for the most part and it includes one of the most iconic units in a hive Tyrant yes it's pretty much a slam dunk for rounding out your Leviathan Force yeah I think so I want to say there's only so many hormons you can run but 20 is way under that count anyway yeah if you're running hormigon you're going to be running 60 of them yeah you've got a good few that you're going to want so this box does a great job yeah the box has a norn Emissary which is just an amazing kit holy my wife just got done building hers and it looks so good 20 hormons to Accent your Leviathan termagant Jean Steelers to go upboard with your hormigon And Hive Tyrant Hive Tyrant could be built like three different ways the Emissary could be an assimilator honestly even though it looks like a lot of the same thing this is another one where multiple copies really doesn't punish you because of how H armies work it's actually kind of like the orc one where it's like you don't have to Kit bash it builds into other things yeah you could have the same box twice and end up with what looks like a very well-rounded Army other than the fact that cord armies just run 40 of the same model all the time right well that's just how it goes from a saving standpoint it's pretty good at 330 and points wise it's up there at 865 like you can't complain no not really and it's a pretty good spread so it's not like it's too much focus on Monsters too much focus on horde like you're just getting a good decent options of different things so BAS basically what you would expect and to round it off we can talk about the one I am most annoyed with even though it's not bad the astrom militarum Cadian Defense Force also known as a wasted chance to make a c box all right cuz I was like this is kind of exactly what I expect do you want your combat Patrol but in a different shape yeah we found the missing tank from the combat Patrol they shove two of it in this box basically which is I mean I like that that's good I'm very much Happy of having two tanks in a box as someone who does not like cadens I already am not a fan of them being like double downed on in the combat Patrol and then you release a combo box that's just more of them and another command Squad and it's like can you show any other part of guard than these two kits like we get it you probably spent too much money on redoing cadens when everyone wanted you to do c instead but stop fair but I do think that if you're interested in the k part this is a nice box yeah it's not a bad value by any means it's technically a good value on paper just from like it's $345 for $230 wow but like it's pretty decent points for a guard box for a guard box it's 705 points yeah you could argue the rogal DOR is overpriced currently but it's fine you could argue that double rogal Dorn is a bit awkward cuz you would never want a second copy of this box not just because that's way too many cadens that's a lot of Tanks but like the first box is going to be nice I just kind of wish like ignoring my C issue take out 10 cadens and one rogal Dorn and toss in a Leman Russ and one of the other multi-build tanks like a third one so you end up with three unique looking tanks 10 troops and an HQ and it's almost exactly the same points and it's probably very close on the dollar count yeah I mean there's obviously ways that could be better I think it's still a solid one it's not bad the rogal Dorn was out of stock for a while so this is helpful but you're not looking at multiple of these and I don't think it accents the combat Patrol very well unless you like literally are brand new to guard and you're not going to ever want a troop again after you buy a combat Patrol or two and this you now no longer care about collecting Guardsmen which that does limit some of your future combo box potential but there are some that just like get done with that part so I can focus on the fun tanks or better types of Guardsmen who wear gas masks and sweet trench coats right very edgy much cool so that covers this year and looking at it as a whole it's a pretty decent spread space Rens is terrible stay away from it yeah but other than that nothing jumps out as like ah gw's screwing us again honestly yeah there was a lot of negativity online when I first saw these revealed and everyone was very pissed off I'm going to assume cuz 40% of the player base plays Space Marines and that box is dog yeah that's fair so I do want to see my shrink flation hypothesis but I'm feeling scared now cuz I don't think these are terrible but I remember some really good ones in the past and I'm wondering if it holds up all right what uh do you want to start with space brain or do we leave that let's not do space brains Dead first because it'll Tire us out yeah to explain this I only had the patrons grab us equivalents I didn't have them grab like the death guard or the thousand Sun's box cuz I have nothing to compare it to this year and as we've seen from Space Marines to Orcs there can be a huge range in what you get per Army so I tried to keep it Army to Army astrom militarum had a box previously in 2020 it's called the bassian platoon it had an old kadan command Squad which I think it was just called command Squad and 20 of the old Caden troops that were just the generic troops it had a heavy weapons team the old armored Sentinel a wyvern and a chimera which is not great it was a lot of variety it was not great in points at only 500 to10 barely combat Patrol but it was $360 in today's money yeah I don't know man I like as much as having the two rogal dor means that you're never excited about getting the second box I kind of like that a little bit better I don't know I like the variety of having a tank variant a transport variant a heavy walker and a heavy team and then you still ended up with 20 troops the command Squad like it's way less points for sure yeah I guess the Walker is just dumb looking to me I actually like the new one the old one is very much just we ripped off Star Wars but everything in 40K is we ripped off somebody else that is true and generally do it worse British moment so it was a bigger Savings in today's amount however at the time I went back and checked old articles like goonhammer and stuff to see what these were worth at the time this was only $292 at the time and now it's 3 60 which shows you how much these kits have jacked up in price yeah that is quite noticeable I kind of like reading the old articles of them being like I don't know it's only a $90 savings it's kind of iffy and it's a bunch of mish mashed units thrown together and then we look at it in today's price and it's so much more expensive for the same trash this isn't a shrink flation thing honestly because from a pure Point standpoint we actually are better with the double rod Dorn one from a money standpoint yeah it's 345 versus 360 for 30 more bucks but the 30 more bucks is part of normal inflation it's essentially the same not really that far off it's just the actual prices have inflated so much on kits that at the time it didn't look like a great deal but that's more a problem with what happened to gw's prices than the actual shrinkflation one so I'm just proven so far yeah no I mean I'd say this is arguably comparative You could argue either way and slightly here and there and depending on which exact specifics you're looking at but close enough all right let's do Orcs then for another simple one and then we'll hit Space Marines cuz we got to do it at some point okay Orcs famously had a great box previously it's one you got for Christmas The Kill Dao War band woohoo no it was actually like an exciting one it's a pretty decent box honestly it had 20 boys 10 gretchin five knobs W Bomb Blast of jet or any variant at the time the doca jet was was the bees knees this is just before they decided that planes were not allowed yeah Monday they'll be back don't worry about it the death killer War trike to lead them all and a random Big Mac it was really a random Big Mac it was to help sell it as a junkyard thing while being mostly just boys variants yeah but it was awesome you got a bunch of boys some knobs Gretchen the War trike is cool so I remember being very happy about it yeah so it was a very good box honestly comparing it to the current one the current one is still better in both money and points cuz the old one was $645 in current points and $353 because of the awkward $38 kit for knobs but yeah the current box although it is again my favorite box of the current set does beat it in both yeah and that's not bad unexpected to a certain point for the point cost just because like gats are nothing and boys are also pretty cheap I'm personally more excited about the old one just because the doc Jet's awesome and like we trike and it's just kind of where I'm at but the new one has great value and I don't think we're really experiencing shrinkflation on that so far I'm wrong all right let's do Space Marines there are many of these because Space Marines is in every year and for some reason multiple times at certain points I did not do the ones that were not part of Christmas that came out like 2 months later that that were part of like the aborted space brein 2.0 release but the ones that were part of Christmas are here so in the past space brain has had the interdiction Force what a stupid ass name the interdiction force in 2020 it had the shieldbreaker strike force in 2021 the basan strike and the Raven strike Battle Force for 2022 so four previous boxes to look at this is my first time actually analyzing these points so let's see so in 2020 for $200 you got captain and Phobos 10 infiltrators 10 reavers an invictor tactical warsuit and an impulsor okay looking at that list of models this was things that were not selling cuz they were very bad yeah I remember that one and going wow they had a bunch of extra that they just tossed in a box this was part of the infinite reavers are and everything cuz they couldn't sell reavers yep and that's why Reaver heads were like the cheapest bit ever to steal because everyone had spare boxes of reavers in and actual like money and points ratio type thing it does beat out the current one well at least in points it was 670 in price it was only 310 in today's money first 330 in today's money so it's slightly worse for $ 30 less dollars at the time but that's part of normal inflation so price-wise you could argue it's not true uh and it looks like at the time it was only $291 so it didn't actually increase by that much all right I'd be more interested in going on to the the next years because I vaguely remember that being more interesting so this was Captain 10 intercessors 10 assault intercessors five heavy intercessors three blade guard vets and a storm speeder would you like to take that back Eric maybe that's not the one I was remembering so I mean that's a lot of Marines it is unfortunately it is also all troops there's three blade guard vets and a storm speeder but you've got 25 random troops in here some of which are generic intercept cessors some of which were assault intercessors which at the time you could get out of literally every box and then heavy intercessors which were the new thing I think at that moment it was $360 in today's money for 210 and it was 765 so this is a more acceptable Target even if the units are a bit on the Bland side yeah you can't really complain about this one it's just very vanilla it's not exciting yeah but it does a good job of being like here's a core part of an army the year after was was the one where they did the double this is last year and then they did like 18 more of them like 2 months later as they went no no no we weren't going to try to Space Marine 2.0 this Edition we swear this is just a shitload of random boxes for no reason for no reason so the Bastion Strike Force was Tor garadon garadon I don't care an imperial fist nobody three primaris aggressors and 15 heavy intercessors oh look I found where the where you needed to get heavy intercessors from Jesus Christ so this was a very bad box too okay so this one looks like our current box it's actually extremely comparable yeah 300ish bucks for 515 points which sounds almost exactly like the spearhead Force yeah dead on and one of its a named character for a specific subtype of marine this is a bad box I mean it does mean that we're not really dealing with the shrinkflation we're just dealing with SH shitty boxes yeah I would argue that this Shield breaker does match the shrink flation thing of there was a lot more in that box and Raven strike Battle Force matches that with you had the edge Lord with the emo haircut with librarian very specific go look at his model God damn it now I got to figure out what the hell you actually said something shrike and I can't use Games Workshop website to find it cuz it's a Q voice chat oh you're not wrong and it's embarrassing he's got an emo haircut let's go to the My Chemical Romance concert next week uh it's got the librarian and Phobos armor with him two invictor tactical War suits three eliminators and 10 reavers again they really have trouble selling reavers and always will I wonder why I mean this seems slightly better yeah good value good points the argument of strike shouldn't really count and even if you take him off it's still better than the current one for cheaper so interesting with Marines I'm going to say possibly true but there is proof of previous fuckups with the basan strike force yeah it seems very much like a less shrink flation on purpose and more of a just bad decision sometimes and I would argue honestly looking at this entire list of Space Marines most of these boxes suck yeah it's not just bad decisions sometimes it's bad decisions most of the the times and sometimes they get it right I'm going to just say they know that Space Marine players will buy literal dog if it's got an Ultram Marine's logo on the box so you can just put whatever you want in these boxes and they will still sell probably that might be the case and that might be why like it was too apparent this year which is why all of the hubub happened yeah I mean it's also one of those that like it's easier to sell a Space Marines holiday box for people that like oh I need to get you know like an aunt or an uncle is like I need to get my niece or nephew a Space Marine thing ofama jig dude if you got an aunt or an uncle who's buying $200 us of stuff hook me up with that anunt or Uncle I mean it probably happens hello it is me your nephew Brad I am here for Christmas I'm only 35 don't worry about it I'm not 35 yet you bastard I've got years left I'm young and spry well I'm definitely not spry slow down it hurts when I stand [Laughter] up oh don't get fat kids or old wait or old way all right let's wrap up with tyrin yeah tyrin basically also is just disproving me although it's a little weird so okay yeah I don't really remember what was in tyranids okay so tyranids was also a hive Tyrant but this one came with the h/ exocrine three Hive guard Tyrant guard and 16 Jean Steelers cuz they used to get sold in eights even though hot dogs are sold in packs of 10 and 10 gargoyles oh yeah the Gargoyles those shitty base things this one's awkward because Jean sealers are not sold in these quantities anymore so it's hard to price and it's an illegal amount so you just have to pretend there's only five in the second set so that you can run them so one of them is wasted and you're going to have to buy kits of 10 and just only use 16 out of the 20 you bought and only use 15 of those because 16 is not legal anymore this is where it gets funky but in today's math it would be $375 but you would get four more Jean Stealers and it would be about the same points as the current one it's 810 versus the current like 865 depending on how you build everything on both of these yeah okay fine I feel like I just like the new one better but like it doesn't disprove like shrink flation or any of that stuff but like I like the new one better here's something that does help disprove the shrink flation though at the time it was only $313 for those kits when I looked at the goonhammer article I'm reading right now okay so $313 out of 210 vers 330 for 230 is basically the same amount MoneyWise we're close enough that we're in the close enough that I'm going to say the string inflation hypothesis is false mythbusted I was wrong but I think the reason I felt that this might be a thing and the reason I think a lot of people were complaining that this year sucks is because Space Marines was really bad Space Marines is really bad and a lot of people only care about their faction don't look at at a very and I mean it definitely is true that a bunch of kits are just more expensive there is just the normal inflation part yes but I think a large part of it is also that we remember the good ones it's true cuz those are the ones that you bought yeah we just remember the really good combo boxes and go man I wish I had gotten that one at that time and now I'm screwed with this piece of yeah so like when you think of the best one from each year yeah these things are nuts why aren't they all like custodes was last year yeah like the custodes box was crazy you got like 1,500 points of custodies you really did the death guard box was like okay at a th000 points same with thousand suns was almost 1,000 points but again both of those are almost identical to the world leaders one that's right now that's almost 1,000 points I was going to say those and world leader for now are like the exact same box except don't actually copy my homework they're very much like the world leader one looks like it belongs in last years big centerpiece character generic troop of faction gener Elite unit of faction send it to print yep job done job done I'm taking coffee break honestly 2021 was mostly garbage in my opinion I think the death guard one was pretty good that year and the orc one obviously was the standout but like I don't think it was a good year that year so I really think these Christmas boxes are pretty solid compared to historically and it is not just a everything is overpriced now so we've lowered our standards type thing it does seem to hold up well historically I think so as well I'm not going to be too sour about the price increase of 20 bucks like we knew it was going to happen they've increased the cost of kits so much that it was bound to happen I still think the kits are outrageously expensive right now three out Riders I would not give you $20 for and they want 60 for them an ATV they sell for 50 bucks I'm pretty sure it's half a sprew it's half I think it might actually be it is awful what they're charging for some of the kids right now but that is not the point of this it is to look at the value boxes first them to see if they're good to buy instead and five out of six are and I mean it's one of those that like you've got a good set other than Space Marines some of them are going to be better for you specifically like if you have an angr you probably don't need world leaders but I'm overall pretty happy with it I have some concerns about if the trend will continue and they're just going to keep like oh it's just inflation again it's just inflation again it's just inflation again and then we're at like you know a $300 box and we start getting into that why is every big character only $170 you know like oh they're going to break that soon too I bet it might be it very well might be but like there there's those like you hit the tears of oh this does something to my monkey brain big number I'm scared I don't know I I'm definitely picking up at least one of the Orcs I'm probably only getting one of the Orcs Brad and you can buy your own kill rig if you want to play list that's like that and you can build it too you have a Christmas present coming up it's fine how exciting if you want to do that get me the turtle truck I have the unfortunate one of I was debating picking up world eaders just because if demons get split I'm pretty sure I would keep my corn demons because I've grown attached to them all right fair and I would want to have their mortal equivalents to play you know codex cor and with codex CCH as my picks out of that if they ended up doing the AOS thing again that's hypothetical that they ever would but that would be a reason for me to go world leaders and this is a very good box to do it with however because we live in a great area with an awesome secondary market and great discounts on everything I just picked up a new on Brew angron for $85 yeah that se all the Le that's a solid deal that's a fine amount of money to pay for you know angron or Morty I could have bought Morty last last year for like the exact same price uh you'll probably be able to get angr around here for the exact same price as soon as these come out probably but that's definitely a we have a good local area that does reselling and trading and stuff so yes and there's just good shops around us to buy things secondary so I picked him up and now this box is pretty bad for me cuz I do not want to buy this box and waste angron the angron I picked up was not originally intended for this Army though so I could argue it's fine because I was actually using him as a a kit bash base for an extra blood thirster to not have them all be in the exact same pose cuz they're very monopose and I was looking at some really sick kit bashes in one of my discords and I was like ah MSRP that's an expensive I didn't know it was 170 when I bought it I was like 85 I guess I guess I'll take the like 115 down to 85 120 that's what I thought I thought it was like the same as your kill rig is 140 and I thought like maybe he's 140 yeah he's like he's between 115 and 140 he's probably 115 if I'm getting him for 85 cuz like I bought this at a store and I'm like all right well whatever I'll get him for the 85 it's fine it's open box don't care and like 85 is like the 85 to 100 is like okay yeah this is a fine price for the thing I'm getting ignoring everything else on what gw's trying to say it's worth yeah but then I found out it was 117 like what the yeah I I don't know man it's it's kind of up to you if you want to do it but it seems crazy to have another angron I don't think I will I would rather that sets like this go to people who actually want the Army nothing is sadder than when you have to tell someone like oh there's a great intro set for your army go back in time 6 months and you could grab it yeah or the there's a great intro set but it had enough value that everybody bought it and ripped it apart and now it's not findable anymore and sorry GG yeah it's unfortunate when things like that happen so I don't think I would value pick this up but you might just randomly decide to walk out the store having paid $230 for a box cuz it was sitting there if I do any of them it'll be to piss the wife off and buy the onslaught swarm box to bring home more unbuilt tyranids for her to be mad about I mean that NN Emissary is very cool she has so many of that new boxes that I bought her to put together still no new box it was one box they all fit in one box that's true all of those boxes fit in one box still the best joke uh but yeah I might get her that just cuz it would be funny to piss her off but honestly if you are playing or want to play any of these fions save for space breens go for it these are solid zero guilt do it spend your money do something stupid it's a holiday season that's what it's for right being a consumer and if you don't play one of these factions you still want to waste your money we have a patreon we've got merch that's that's the one like patreon is fun but like yeah the merch star we should actually wh out that would have been the funnier twist there damn it yeah that's okay burello put the Hat on screen put the Hat on screen make sure that there's a cool animation that makes it exciting when it happens too lens flare now oh all right well that does it for the main segment I hope you guys actually liked this episode it was kind of a last second thing I did our other idea cuz I didn't like the outline I was making so we figured we'd do this it's a little more topical and it was just kind of fun to randomly talk about stuff yeah I like doing like the money checkups where we do like not a pure budget episode but like a real life expenses episode type thing where we look at things like this it's interesting to do yeah and it's nice to keep an eye on things and it was a nice relaxed talking session hanging out after a very long week yep but that does it for this we do have some quick news for hord mode but for anyone who wants to know info on that there should now be a link in the show notes of this episode or description on YouTube whatever we're calling it now then that will take you to the new dedicated hord mode public Discord that will be the official Discord for hord mode we're just starting it up I had people test it on my Twitter this week it seems to be in working order nobody broke it should be good to accept everybody don't piss off the moderators I have no pity for you if you get banned but we'll use that for all of the official hord mode news so I have somewhere I can actually post that have it be relevant and we can use that for a good way for you to provide feedback that's not the email a good way for you to ask questions to other people I think there's a decent amount of people that are also interested in playing Test games yes so if you want to play on TTS it's a good place to look for people to play it or find locals maybe I don't know possibly but it's there for everybody who wants to talk hord mode and figure things out or go give some feedback whatever now available go try it there's also going to be an update which will probably be just fixing a bunch of wording and stuff that people have found over the last week and a half there might be one or two changes to some of the secret objectives or something I don't think there will be any functional changes this time I want to get fixes in before we start modifying but I don't know if that will be done by the time this airs or if it'll probably be a week out still depends depends on how my week goes but there we go hord mode update done I won't have to do this every episode now we will have the Discord for this point people there rambling over as a final thing for anyone still holding on the patron live episode is next week Friday which is Friday the 17th will be the patron live episode hopefully it's not in the past for you if it is then it was recorded and you can listen to it like a normal in that like gap between the time that it was recorded live and then the time that it was released edited then you're going to have to wait a little bit because it's like how time works it's the past and you have to wait till the future cuz you're in the present is anyone still there I hope not let's get out of here sounds [Music] good [Music] a

Channel: Poorhammer

Views: 90,494

Keywords: 40k, Warhammer 40k, Warhammer, Factions, Space Marines, Tyranids, Votann, Combat Patrol, value box, holiday box, orks, imperial guard, astra militarum

Id: WOVZFZUG76g

Length: 44min 13sec (2653 seconds)

Published: Tue Nov 14 2023