H3 Podcast #42 - Philip DeFranco

what up beautiful bastards welcome to another episode of the h3 podcast it sounds so wrong coming out of my house it was like my dad said it hello beautiful bastards here with philip defranco i made that uh intro in honor of him uh this episode is sponsored by quip stitch fix min man crates and omaha steaks thank you to them more about that later next week's guest is vsauce please leave questions for him on the subreddit today's guest because i've already introduced him but i'm just i wrote this out i require actually two introductions okay yeah good dan mentioned that to me he got them out just uh today's guest a man who needs no little introduction host of the philip defranco show incidentally also his name yes that's how original i am he's a newsman entertainer youtuber extraordinaire and og youtuber in addition to being extraordinary i like i i like that we still use the term og rather than just like how is this guy still on this [ __ ] site there's like five people i still know from the beginning and right like there's like smosh the gmm guys the fine bro is very few right so do when you think oh gee it's not an age thing it's just how long you've been on the i mean the age kind of just goes with it yeah i mean when we started there was a guy by the name of oh i think there were numbers after but it was like geriatric that was his name and he was like this old dude that just shared life stories and he was like the number one subscribe guy back in the day really before before it was really understood what the that's not the youtube that i know no how old is he uh he had to be in his 80s i think that he did pass away yeah because i mean this was i mean we're talking about we hope wait did you laugh i don't know why because we're it's like he's a great guy yeah how can he but i love that he's a great guy he told great stories he died i love that geriatric yeah well he clearly had no illusions about it i mean his name was i loved it but i loved it i think him being the number one person on the side at that time showed really i think what we've all learned like anyone can do it like the the bar is very low obviously like the equipment's getting better though everything's becoming more professional but ultimately it ultimately comes down to connection stories things like that and that was infant stage do you still think that youtube is that same way in what way today like that anyone can pick up a camera and make it on youtube as far as the quality yes i think i think that i mean if you can grab a phone what's crazy is you can grab a phone from like three years ago and have like decent enough quality audio quality um and throw it out there as far as people finding it that's a hard hard hustle that i don't even know how you do but it's one of the reasons why like we we don't do this in every every single one but we have like a segment on the show today and awesome we share people's shorts we share uh people's like channels that are maybe under 100 000 sometimes over where they where they do stuff obviously we also keep the trailers and stuff like that uh but yeah it's hard like if i had to start today i don't know how i would do it it's without a connection it's hard i mean it was hard even when we started it took us like a year to get a thousand subscribers well but then but then you guys would have like a breakout video and then it kind of goes from there there was you had yeah we had a few breakouts we had several breakouts okay i would say like several big formative moments in our growth on youtube one of the biggest ones probably has to be the vape nation video though that actually i don't consider really one of a formative growth i think the first formative growth was we had ed a takedown dispute with uh full screen over a prank invasion video that was the first time we were like featured on reddit can i tell you something yeah i contacted uh george i think he's the reason why he reached out to us maybe yeah because i was like you i don't care if you're on the right side of this you can't [ __ ] do this like that's crazy it does like you can say like we have the we have the moral no they just [ __ ] stop yeah it was so petty and ridiculous yeah and i don't think it was him i think it just wasn't you just you just you just said oh well sorry i don't think that it was personal i think they had something on a piece of paper yeah when when you end up in these business meetings what happens a lot of the time uh and you you forget the people you forget the community and you have to always respect that first um but yeah so there was that but for me personally i would say would be the vape nation videos just because or a video because i'd really only ever seen your responses to something right after something or like what someone did and that was like oh this is awesome this is like a whole different thing that i didn't know it's going to be um but yeah i don't know so just in terms of channel growth vape nation didn't result in that much channel growth even though it's the most popular video oh well on our channel it's a shame that it's the way it is but on youtube at least when we were coming up was and it wasn't by design it was just it happened incidentally but the um the dramas is what you know like the the full screen one people i think that was the first time were introduced to this concept that mcns were were like had that power right and that they were abusing it right and so it became like bigger than than us right uh the next one after that i think there was the fine bros that was a big one for us there was the sofa stuff man when we were when we were beefing was so flow and they were like threatening to sue us and [ __ ] i remember like we were in new york at the time i went to a museum and everyone there was like i've like we got recognized so many times that was the first time that happened everyone was mentioning those cell phones yes right and so then there was the cs go gambling one and then the lawsuit one right so so i think those were the big formative steps but i mean there's there was channels like leafy's is here which and and channels like him that have received like meteoric growth for a few months yeah it was just unbelievable and i don't know that the algorithm would would lend itself to that kind of growth anymore unless you're jack or logan paul because because they did they did have meteoric growth over this past year or eliza koshy yeah i was like i don't know if i should say this but uh can we mention that we have the same youtube contact like yeah yeah yeah you know that he also is the main contact for logan paul i'm not surprised i was like that is the best thing i was like you go to ethan yeah i love to see graham dabbing right on the haters you know what's funny he has mentioned to me you many times but interestingly graham and yes i am talking to you and i know you know i know you watch this you have never mentioned logan paul to me i i got it out of him yesterday he mentioned it and it completely derailed our conversation i was like has he given you that maverick merch and he's like no and i've asked and i was like [ __ ] logan paul graham's a great guy i appreciate you i love you graham um i don't i don't and i like i certainly don't want to take away the achievements of logan jake paul because i mean they're they're on that grind right but there's no diversity anymore like a channel like ours or even leafy is here which is like a more extreme version right but i don't see anything that's even a slightest [ __ ] a bit edgy even less edgy than ours ever coming up in the atmosphere the important thing i think to remember is that everything's the biggest thing when it is right and then that sounds like kind of an empty statement um i remember when fousey was like one of the biggest things on the site and i think he and several other people thought there was nothing that could ever slow him down or take him down and you just you just go like i where i go i've been here for 11 years i i've seen like huge jumps before and eventually it stops right and so that's why i think it's important for people to plan or grow or at least try and it's just i guess you're right you don't see that everyone but i i will say i mean the pauls do do that like once again it's it's very easy uh to talk [ __ ] but there's they've done a lot of things very wrong some things well you're right as far as growth there's a diversity of content there like the music videos thing whether you think it's cringy or not but it's crazy how much content they produce the amount of views that they get is just unbelievable that's unbelievable um whether you like it or not the fad of the year was the disney vloggers and we'll probably have a new fad yeah and it's always hard cause you never know what's gonna happen i don't i don't know i'm so interested to see what's happening with with v2 or anything i don't know anytime there's like more competition i've heard like the vine 2 stuff i haven't looked into it yeah but because i i've i never really embraced the platform i was on it a little bit but i don't know it's just any anything new is always exciting because it just you're gonna get these new faces who made v2 who's behind that is it twitter what's his name it's the same guy that uh that just made hq trivia [ __ ] i don't remember oh is that that crazy mobile app that gets like 200 000 yeah i mean what's crazy is like once they start integrating integrating sponsors and stuff it's gonna blow up even more i have not used it i've only ever seen you talk about it what is that what is it it's uh so at here's your free plug hq trivia uh it's a it's a it's a daily trivia app right so uh i think for us on the west coast it's noon and six o'clock and uh they have a host there's 12 trivia questions you get three options for each one and if you get to the end you and whoever else survives split the jackpot during the weekend they get money yeah during the weekdays i mean you have to win more than 20 to get it so that's also kind of like the little asterisk right um because you have hundreds of thousands of people competing but near the end you usually end up getting like 10 to 150 winners um and so you can split it up but that's just fun it's just like a nice little stupid break no way you know you know that reminds me of xbox live back in the day oh yeah you used to have this crazy trivia yeah yeah that everyone was bananas about yeah i remember it back man this must have been like 10 years ago but it was pretty revolutionary i guess they don't do it anymore but shout out to everyone out there who knows what i'm talking about all right let's move it on a little bit here okay uh congratulations on the baby boy thank you that is very exciting i'm a second baby boy how is he he's good uh we were saying before he's like a person now which is awesome he's like the first three months of baby is just like there i get i mean i still with this one i didn't experience it with the first one this one i'm constantly getting spit on like spit up on and it's just as a parent you end up just like going nothing disgusts me anymore yeah like i can just see anything and it's nothing you're just immune like shit's on you you're like especially because he's my baby so i'm just like whatever like nothing's but also like the same day that happens uh you get different problems with like i have a three and a half year old as well he coughed directly into my mouth last night uh i was reading him his favorite monster truck and he goes daddy like i don't think he meant to do it on purpose what was your reaction just because it's like you don't want to yell like because it's just just think about that someone this close to you just doesn't give a [ __ ] like just right in your mouth and he was like oh so i'm gonna be sick i'm gonna be sick yeah i uh but it's just i don't know it's it's it's weird man it's like i got this little purse in my house and i always hate when i talk about my kids because it's what every dad has said and it's like oh here's the most unoriginal thing i love them like didn't know i could experience it uh also uh here's the thing to anyone that sees my children is like oh it'd be so great takes a huge amount of time huge amount of time if you want your life to 100 be your life do not have children i love the choice we made but two done uh i actually today uh i canceled it because i have no other opportunities until like february uh i cancelled my vasectomy for today so i could be on this podcast no don't say oh no no but now but i mean just be careful oh my god if i have a third baby it's your fault let's get that vasectomy in there because i'm just saying i don't want to put too much on you yeah i just thanks for sharing that but yeah i thought i thought you know i just share those times yes wait well there's not like children behind the curtain i mean it's time for them to learn what's up to me it's never too early no but i was like when i say two and done two and done uh like there are so many people like i i mentioned it off hand to this nurse i have to every year i update my insurance and so i get all this blood work and i mentioned it and she's like do it i had a i i had a whoopsie baby which i didn't know as a term uh and her kids are 18 17 and three and i was like that's a whoopsie yeah i'm like i'm not doing that cycle that's what you see daisy but otherwise great what's the procedure of a vasectomy are you scared are you nervous about that doesn't it hurt at all or is that just like nip your child well i went in there and he uh he was very handsy i didn't know i thought i didn't think the the uh the what's the word uh the checkout before the uh the operation was as handsy and pulley and and he's like well essentially everything you felt today it'd be similar it'll be like a little bit different but you'll be good we're just gonna nip your chode if you're showing no and they show you about the twisting and stuff like that and sounds but you know what actually it made me okay with it and it's so stupid because it's a youtube video is i watched uh uh rhett and link do it on their video and they brought a dude cameron video sorry huh what say that again right link got a vasectomy oh yeah no it's on their channel why talk about marketing i mean talk about vlogging everything oh yeah no how do they show that uh well they they they have like this little i'm gonna have to ask them about that they're coming on so yeah oh about their children oh yeah they did it together like it was a it was they hold hands it was a brodio i think so yeah i uh that's strange you got it hey i'm shocked but i'm also a little bit horrified yeah but i was like uh i mentioned it and my my buddy who films all our vlog stuff he was like i can go right i was like no we don't have that relationship i was like while they were filming they accidentally went too low there's just i forget on which which guy but there is now video footage in the world of just dick and balls of one of those guys and that's that's that's next level trust oh my god that's that's in the archive somewhere yeah yeah that's like that's like december 1st 2007. b footage oh my goodness uh but but what but they made it seem okay so i was like okay well okay i guess they're doing a good thing exactly so it's it's in and out there's no recovery there's like a they yeah they say like you can do light lifting and stuff like that a week later one of the one of the other reasons other than the podcast was uh we're going to utah in like three weeks and i was like i'm not gonna be stuck in inside while everyone's having fun that's yeah that's it but so i'm sorry to break to labor this because i'm just generally intrigued because i you know i mean someday i'm going to get my child snipped as well probably um what do you think they have like this picture diagram thing it's essentially just a little yeah two cuts they cut like tiny little little bit of tube out and then they like got it and then yeah and then i guess it just goes into your throat it's just a backup but then they say don't have sex for like a certain amount of time and you have to you have to just go to town on yourself for a while they'd say that yeah well that's actually the terminology they use go to town on your song yourself so it's like so it's like a pool and then you plug it up so it's continually it just can't get through there's like there's tension there well no because then i think you would explode if there was actually the flow i think the way they say it is it just the body absorbs it i think that's what it is yeah it's very the body absorbs it that's something i should have probably researched it more i mean in a way the less you know the better but that i think that speaks to how much i don't want to have a third child seriously you can just yeah we got this right we're good okay i've heard a lot about male contraceptives that are coming out like men can take a pill and apparently be really i mean it's something that's been in development the thing is i wonder like what it does to your system right because i think what a lot of people don't think of is like what like everything that birth control does to women like we just heard a story about it you're essentially like poisoning your body to do it which uh thank you lindsay for having done it as long as you did right but still yeah it's uh they said now that it may cause breast cancer oh my god it increases but like it does increase the chance of breast cancer apparently but it's like you know it was like 14 out of 100 000 so i don't want to like alarm people okay well that's really that was the number it was it was measurable because they also said 30 yeah they said 20 to 30 which sounded really scary but then i don't know and it was yeah was it like a 20 increase on something that was point three percent yes yeah just heard it on the radio i saw a headline that's the that's the most dangerous thing in the world you're like well i saw this headline okay well but what what i don't know i don't know any of the facts but i believe everything but and the thing is i don't do that on my show i do that with conversations with my my wife constantly yeah i hate when i catch myself doing that that was like oh i shouldn't do this this is this is everything i hate i know that's true this was not researched at all i heard it on npr oh okay well it's right now some gynecologist was on the radio talking about it a [ __ ] doctor that's fun practical joker i didn't go to school for eight years be called gynecologist i went to be called a [ __ ] doctor but um greg you're not you're not a doctor you just drove past the school oh god um but you know my first my snap judgment when i first heard about male contraceptives was like oh my god like i don't want to put that in my body and then i'm like oh my god or women yes are all taking that [ __ ] this whole time four years and i'm and i'm just like oh my god i'm all of a sudden i'm very appreciative and so much more that we do right and so much more i like that that was powerful presentation well you know what's funny i i unders about the newborn baby yes i understand maybe to 100th of the degree because we just got a new puppy and neither me and ela have cared for puppy can you throw shredder on screen dan can we get the shredder cam he's here with us in the office now and like he poops on us he pees on us he pukes and i'm like okay he's my puppy i can deal with this but like i'm sure the human i can't compare having a puppy to a human child but like well they are needy i glad that i'm glad that you at least preface it with that because there are a lot of people that do one-to-one comparisons i'm like it's no no it's it's nothing if you can let your stupidest friend watch your dog it's not the same thing no i'm sure it's like a hundredth but it it it's not even a hundred to be honest i've done a lot of babysitting i okay so i have some experience i was obviously like i was i was horrified of children though before having them i uh like they just creep me out like uh but that's like that's like a deep i i felt like that ever since i was little like if in my head like if you were someone that like enjoyed spending time with children or you're like happy to be around children i was like you're [ __ ] weird you're a weirdo why can i be honest what i don't get it i love children i don't get it at all well yeah i don't find them cute and and i'm and i'm ex con i'm assuming that when i have my own kids then i'll have a different affection for them but i don't get it well i would say so the difference is before before having kids i'd be like okay i don't even want to be like if there was just like the idea of a child alone in an elevator and i'm the only person there horrifying right right and i think there's like comedians i don't even have even like shot uh sketches around that uh but like now or even if there were like just children there i'm like i don't want to be around there but now if my son's playing with some i'm like high fives and like hey good job and yeah i don't know it's i wish i got it because i feel like a weird like our friends no very good friends just like kids it's so normal i don't you can one even hold on hurry you want to get involved like i just and i know that it's weird and i want to have more affection and there's a lot of people like that but i'm just sorry and like it's like dude i don't want to hurt your baby like that's too much well so no no one should be no one should be pushing a baby that's all they don't push the baby okay but i just want to know that was normal baby that is completely normal also i want to say since just while we're on this topic if you are a new father and you do not feel connected to your child for like the first few months or something like that it is completely normal it is completely normal the more parents i've talked to about it the more i know i i've learned that it's it's a very common thing just for guys to need that connection because the the women get to carry the baby and they're they're connected and when they feed the baby it's more it's more of just like this this thing this really beautiful thing and then the dad you're kind of just on sleep duty and night right and you're they're not giving back but once they start giving back it's amazing but but they're also fathers that immediately yeah yeah but i uh i was interested in that i i i've heard that but it makes sense but there are a lot of dads that are guilty you know they're doing the tip milk thing and spend a lot of time with mommy i love the way they [ __ ] doctors in the tilt they you know if you had a little more oomph in your voice you'd be like every every italian friend my dad forget about it that became a little like this is weird but i'm and feel free to not answer this oh this is something strange have you tried breast milk no okay no i because i feel like every new dad is like i feel like it's a weird thing do i try the breast milk maybe i feel like most new dads have tried i think now you're putting it in my head so i'm like aren't you curious no okay i mean i imagine it's not great really i think babies are all pumped about it because they love all they got no they love it because it's great and god bless his heart knew that when he made it i don't have like a breast milk yeah this sounds just generally curious i've never i don't really think about breast milk usually guys usually when someone opens up a conversation with i don't have a breast milk fetish right i believe them completely guys let's take a quick break um and we will be back there's so much to talk about here guys you do not want to leave um don't go away see you soon thank you to quip for sponsoring this episode of the h3 podcast 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that's stitchfix.com h3 to get started today stitchfix.com slash h3 my friends if you are in the market for some slick new clothing or toothbrush please consider supporting our sponsors thank you so much let's get back into it with philapp defranco welcome back everybody the hp podcast with philip defranco the beautiful bastard the there are times where i don't know if i should change that i get so many random comments like i want to show you with like watch this with my parents but they don't like the language that's the barrier i'm like but what about the content of the show because it's not like it's just all uphill from there uh i was like it just sets you up it's like this is this is this is more and i'm not saying quality wise but in the in the sense of rating this is more hbo than pbs right i mean you don't curse that much no no any worse no it has to be like impassioned i think that the the difference between me now and me several years ago has just been my ability to mitigate anger and not say everything that's on my mind that's something i'm working on what's hard because strong language alert no it's just youtube classifier because you just realized like i can't i can't go after everything right it's just you can't get anything done you just end up in this like horrible cycle yeah yeah well let's talk about before we get into some more meteor topics i mean this is this is meat i just want to talk about it because i want to talk about the fires going on here in california because we're both out here um it's devastating i mean the footage i've seen is really there's been over 400 homes destroyed a lot of them in ventura and in the hills was it bel air i don't know how many actually houses were lost better one was the one that's closer uh to like to us yeah okay i didn't i didn't want to say yeah so closer to us but uh and i think my whole team was just like are we in the event i was like no this is the affected area yeah this is the evacuation area we are fine we would not be here in the evacuation area but yeah the ventura one was crazy so i'm from ventura that's my hometown and i mean i know the the city quite well and just seeing the pictures and knowing what was out there burning on i have name i don't think ventura's ever experiencing anything like that 400 homes destroyed and they were mostly there in ventura it was basically there was like historic dryness and sustained crazy winds from the santa ana mountains just resulted in a cataclysm of like there's six major fires going at once yeah basically people are describing it as a war zone um i've got a lot of media and pictures that i i think are fascinating and i'd love to go over fascinating with you guys thanks dan without missing a beat i was like what was that we have a sound board it was excused exclusively only when i say fascinating fascinating people used to goof on me because apparently i said fascinating a lot and now i don't say it at all and now i feel like i should come back and say you got shamed yeah i did you you let them shave you away from a word you use it's it's like like everybody says fascinating you know on any tele people use the word fast it's very useful word it's very descriptive i've already been trained to like get ready for get ready he'll get you when you don't expect it but guys if you have any questions or stories about the california fire you'd like to share with us give us a ring at 818-214-8504 we'll be taking calls in a little bit wrote about that cool um let me let me show you some of the [ __ ] i've been seeing incredible stuff um let me pull this up here it's interesting i mean do you feel like you're because you know like you have experience there you were there that this story it feels different than when you see other horrible stories because you have that just innate connection definitely i mean i know i have an emotional connection with like the place and the people and i like seeing a video of a hillside on fire when you know that geographical spot is definitely hits home harder because i feel like with my show that's the number one thing that i try and get across is why do you care about this because there's so many horrible things that happen in the world and it's just very easy to be like that's just another thing those are just other people then something like this it's important i think to hold on to the feeling right so that you know like that's that's just even a part of what everyone feels when any story comes right i think that's important i like that this this uh this [ __ ] was [ __ ] nuts this is a airplane dousing this house in basically uh extinguisher what they've got here what they're dropping over the fires is like this mix of water and like mud and i guess they try to make the water more heavy so it doesn't evaporate okay immediately or roll downhill and so they've got this red sludge they just dump over affected areas or in case houses to prevent them from burning that's wild just oh my god this image of this [ __ ] massive airplane just dumping on this house it's crazy this is right in l.a um the poor firefighters because they had like five or six fires at the same time right it's just impossible oh i remember that yeah and that dude i think a lot of people saw this this is the 405 this is basically the most major interchange in los angeles during commute hours this is probably like 6 a.m sorry i i just i had an inappropriate left because have you seen the meme of this yeah where where with the sign instead of yeah saying where you're turning offices uh welcome to 2018 yeah and i was just like yeah god that's i would be so i mean it's it's unreal i don't know i would be concerned it's like okay this lava do you think they're born do you think they're slowing down so everyone can take a picture or do you think like they're just they're worried because i wouldn't either die i may die okay i'm sure they're all worried but what can you do at the same time it's a freeway you got to keep going straight i guess that's what you think i mean i don't think that you can react rationally in that because it's just you're confronted with such a bizarre yeah you're like another one and the world is on fire i i woke up and i immediately opened twitter news and that was the first thing i thought and then i was just like what is going on outside i have to check this is ten minutes away from our house yeah well that's what five that's why i got freaked out when i i saw it i was like i know that yeah yeah they getting they're getting like we drive there all the time it's crazy they're like you are not yeah you are now entering hell jesus these were like the iconic shots but i found some other ones that i thought were great here too this guy you guys probably may a lot of you may have seen it but i thought this was a really wonderful clip of humanity and action this is some he didn't want to be on camera watch us think it's like because he's just like i just did the good thing it turns out that he's actually he just got i love this what'd you say i said it just turns out he just he just has warrants that's oh yeah um but then of course you get stories like this here i don't know the way you you here this is from the west midland fire department seriously unimpressed five of our firefighters were tied up for an hour this afternoon freeing a youtube prankster whose head had been cemented inside a microwave oven look at this [ __ ] idiot how what was he trying to just keep in mind he's one of us why um yeah i uh i should have left him did you see i i tweeted out my favorite headline came from the next web and it says youtuber tragically survives a cementing head and microwave and i was like that is great well done what was he trying to do seriously i think that's his thing i i randomly i once again i was like i was having a rush around today but uh i look through his channel and i think it's like he just does dumb [ __ ] and that's the shtick like he there's something i think he did something i think it gets like a i might be wrong i'm just i was just scrolling but i think it gets like a million-ish that's quite big big yeah so i don't know it's just whatever it's yeah whatever i love them everyone does that everyone's got their shtick but i i do hate anytime as you tell that story let this run in the let this pepper your thoughts of what this footage is this idiot uh just keeping firefighters right keep that in mind like the same people doing that had to [ __ ] deal with some idiot you know dan was telling me that apparently there's a lot of people who are upset that the firefighters were protecting houses in bel air and they're like oh just goes to show you that if you're rich the fire department cares about you everyone will find a reason to complain about everything yeah uh i was i was in texas for i think it was like a movie festival um and i think one or two nights in someone broke into my house uh my wife and son are in there yeah um luckily the alarm went off the police got there uh and there were people like there are people in the comment section of my my wife's video talking about this saying the cops only showed up that fast because uh you guys are rich and white and i was like i mean that's that's not a struggle right but the fact that there are people out there that have that is just like god how would they know you're white when your alarm goes off they they've got a different they're like white people alarm well we we have a different 9-1-1 everyone knows yeah yeah everyone knows oh great great no but i was just like that's where your head is not like you could you could say like anything but just that it's like i'm i am so thankful that they showed up in time because it's like my my wife and my son's life right and they showed up fast they they were bad asses oh my god so thankful yeah well god bless let's move on anyway i just thought i thought that we should talk about it has a fire affected you at all because we both yeah it just it freaked out the staff a little they uh are they not natives um i'd have to i'd have to like they're not used to the state being on fire no but also i mean think of like when you think of socal you think of earthquakes and there hasn't been like a really big one here yeah in a while so i think it's just maybe they're just not there i don't know um i mean we set up a we had we prepped a go bag we had we like made sure our cars were full just in case yeah because i mean you probably got that that alert that was like no you didn't think actually oh well is it because you guys got an amber alert and you were like i don't need to be a part of this no we didn't i think it's the same we were safely situated between two infernos we got lucky yeah that's good yeah well we were we're in woodland hills and so there was like a fire in ventura and there's a fire in wherever the [ __ ] that is i think they call it the skirball fire yeah yeah so we were like perfectly in the middle of both of those right so so you're good yeah we're we were like oh man were you chill or were you actually trapped like we yeah we didn't attempt to leave no yeah i was staying at home yeah the i could feel the air like oh we both started to feel sick and then we're like oh obviously it's the fire it's the smoke well you just yeah depending on like which way it was coming because i would say the first the first day of the ventura fire i feel like around here we had way more smoke than actually the skirball fire because i was going i think west right but yeah i don't know i mean it's here's what it is i uh i i hate that it's affected so many people i'm thankful that it didn't hit us um i mean this picture really floored me here this is from ventura wow this is uh this is the effect bro this entire neighborhood this is even like a wilderness on a hillside or anything this entire neighborhood was leveled that's crazy i just like i got nothing to [Music] pretty add no one to blame either no countries to bomb it's just like damn we got [ __ ] up that was an act of god is that harder you think when there's no bad guy although i think some people some people have made a bad guy out of making it a like a global warming argument because i feel like yeah that is interesting sorry sometimes people just say stuff makes me think yeah it is in like a weirder situation when there's no like that guy yeah or them you know it's just [ __ ] people horrible [ __ ] happens yeah apparently we've got a call uh fire call a fire call we've got a fire call you have been inactive okay let's see here we've got a okay we've got uh kim kim is on the line hey kim what's up hey how are you hi good and yourself i'm doing great how did how were you affected by the fire so i actually live right at the liberty fire in murrayetta um i actually lived in the evacuation area right next to it they had us evacuate us i think last night they evacuated us to our local park but thankfully like last night they were allowing us to go back home but today they set up a new uh location for us to evacuate just in case if anything you know happened but thankfully you know they've taken you know the fire into control like i think it's worth 60 percent right but it was really like nerve wrecking yesterday i mean the winds died down last night i noticed like it was pretty still out finally but were you like in the in the evacuation zone was it just you could see the flames approaching you oh yeah almost definitely it's like on a hill that's across our home and it wasn't uh an un or it was like a vegetated area on unincorporated there's the word and uh it just it was a bush fire and you can see it kind of rolling over the hills and it was it was just scary that's that's i mean how far away from it were you i mean it seems like it was right in your backyard it literally is in front like it's i don't know if you just see it on the map but like literally there's a park and a cro like right behind that park on in marietta there's like this big old hill and it was just right in front of our home and it was just kind of nerve-wracking because we didn't know if we can actually hit their homes or not but that's why i mean thankfully we're okay yeah very glad very glad that you guys are okay i saw pictures from some of my dear friends their families who were still in ventura and they took pictures from where i grew up like a park and in their front yard was just like completely like just cast in orange glow from and the fires just right in front of them like place that i grew up it was just really really wild stuff yeah yeah unfortunately like one one of our like government she worked at our one of our schools she lost her home but well you know we're just doing our best to help out those who have been affected because you know i'm very blessed that our home wasn't but we just need to help out other people cool well i'm glad you're okay yeah and uh thanks for sharing your story with us appreciate you stay safe not a problem thank you thank you have a good day guys take care shit's crazy i think that's one of the important things though like like something i mentioned earlier but even then hearing just some person's voice it's a real person yeah right it's very easy to think like it's like okay another thing happened let's do the text to donate or it doesn't matter like it's real people yeah and it's like it's so important to remember that yeah i think that's really important i agree sorry i got quiet i was just like that's it's like breaking my heart yeah yeah i was getting emotional when i was looking at some of the imagery and stuff especially like some of my friends and family ventura were just like it's just oh yeah [ __ ] happens dude it's weird we forget you know you forget that [ __ ] happens like in a big way well it's stuff like that i think it gets you out of like the the petty [ __ ] right because yeah i remember like just i don't know if i don't know if we focus on the stupid petty [ __ ] because we're trying not to think like we're all gonna die one day like if that's why we're just like and that made me angry and i'm gonna uh but i don't know it's a measure of boredness you think so i think so it's a it's a it's a symptom of a life of luxury lack of focus maybe like a drive for something else when you're not fearful for your life and your safety lack of like you you're not like in survival mode right so you can worry about stupid [ __ ] yeah exactly but then think of how fast those of us who aren't affected are gonna just be like and then to today's different i don't remember what i was thinking about yesterday but in a way there's too much [ __ ] happening in the world you can't like internalize there's too much information available you can't feel bad for it because there's too much awful [ __ ] happening constantly everywhere and maybe and the world is in a better place than it's ever been but even still there's just so much information i can't simultaneously feel bad for la it's just not healthy to like carry around that much grief with you for like people in syria people here in los angeles who lost their house people in africa who are experiencing a famine it's like you do you you know text a couple bucks and move on [ __ ] right and there is yeah there is only so much time that's that's one of the things that frustrates me sometimes with the show that we make because we'll cover something and there's only so much time in the show and we kind of we have like a certain we try to have a staple of domestic international maybe something internet uh and then people be like why don't you talk about this you don't care about this right like but it is like there's like 10 horrible things happening at any given time and it's the most important thing to 10 different groups of people um so it's hard and i think that way it sucks because you feel like you're always letting down nine out of 10 people right so you just gotta just focus on the content yeah that's well that's another topic always feeling that's part of the pitfall of being an online person you're always disappointing someone and they're happy to let you know it but but isn't that the thing though you can't like i was saying before we started like i used to use my social media as a way to just [ __ ] about stuff and complain about stuff and and now i'm just like i don't no one wants to hear it from me sure they're like yeah okay great yeah i got we got problems yeah they're like they're like i have the problems you have fun ten years ago and i'm like oh yeah i'm a [ __ ] stupid piece of [ __ ] well let's let's switch gears here a little bit since the last time we had you on the show which was a long time ago yes a lot has happened on youtube and in your career specifically that led you to start your own patreon yes defranco elite franco elite yes i checked it yesterday you're almost to 14 000 supporters which i think put you either at one or two on the whole site i think number two right now there's like a drop off because patreon changed the way that oh yeah charging happens i just i got off of a scream phone call because all the people that like all the creators on the site didn't know until a day before no what's changed uh so instead of usually it's like five percent uh fee goes to patreon yeah after all the services which is great um and then they had it listed i think is like another five percent but i guess it's somewhere between five and ten i'm i'm probably getting adding an additional well it's it's transaction fees so it's through a bunch of different aggregates as far as how you're paying um but you're getting or that whatever right so whatever number you see i think then it's there's like a percentage down yeah i'd have to double check but um they changed it so now there's the five percent fee and then the other percentage is paid by the person that is is doing the purchase right right so it's like 2.9 and 35 cents and so if you're giving a dollar so those are the people that are hit the most um and and i think the important thing is i think that's it's going to affect these smaller creators the most and that's i think why it's for me also so infuriating because you could have just asked people that use the site if or or make it so like i had a conversation with them after the fact it was an off the record conversation so i can't say like the specifics yeah um but i think you have to make it optional it's obviously i don't look at i don't look at patreon as a donation i see it as a transaction right um it's not like a gofundme people support at different tiers because you get early videos you get exclusive videos exclusive live streams we used to sell uh signed posters uh with my own merch company that i launched forever ago all we did was we kind of migrated that over so it's like you can just do that there you have exclusive mug you know stuff like that so people can get their awesome [ __ ] uh support the show uh and and move forward but there are people that use it almost in a donation sort of way um and and those are the people i think they're gonna get hit the most because those guys they accept a dollar right because we use ours as a service we have our first tier at five dollars like what we did is kind of based off of rooster teeth first they have like a five dollar and i think a 35 then maybe it's 50. so we do 5 10 35. uh and yeah and it just i don't know it it really the main thing is conversation the main thing is conversation because and sorry of like feeling how i was feeling when i was screaming it's a platform like i love patreon right rather than uh having to when when we did our jump uh rather than having to create an own owned and operated thing there's just a built-in thing that we could start it on i still plan on migrating it to an owned and operated because i see it as a service um but they constantly talk about their best asset are its creators then why didn't you [ __ ] talk to us why on such a massive change that affects everyone like it's it's great to everyone for to [ __ ] talk youtube uh but but when you're when when you're the counter culture you're the answer to the problem right and i mean this whether it be indie media whether it be this you can't then do the same [ __ ] um or at least call yourself on it i do think that they are calling themselves on it but it's just just talk just talk most most everything online i think you guys probably feel the same as far as communication it comes down to communication yeah for sure it's so frustrating um ah that's that's well so you're saying that if you like if you donate a dollar you're gonna lose like ten percent of it as opposed like if you donate five it's gonna be so much well i think i think the big thing is also to take away the word donate right i i personally do not see patreon as as a gofundme as a donation service there are some people that once again that use it but i think that when you have someone that's paying a dollar for whatever it is so like the cosplay cosplayers will do like special shoots and uh dave rubin does exclusive live streams and stuff like that i think but yeah you're going to the people that are going to be affected the most are the one dollar t the people that might maybe to them the one dollar seems like a donation rather than a purchase yeah right um well i wanted to ask you basically that since you've switched to to patreon yes um or i guess started it how has that direct support changed your operation because i know before yeah you were owned and operated by discover or discovery what was it so it was discovery and then and then well it was originally uh we i think we did deal with revision3 then we were discovering digital network property then we were group nine right so there was a lot of exchanging of hands a lot of different people i can only talk so much about that legally okay what questions you have because i can answer something well okay i just want to know basically how has it changed now that you're not oh you're owned by yourself right you yes you own it yes you presumably you bought the rights yes to it for yourself right and now um your your fans or patrons or whatever you want to call it um subscribers yeah are are the ones that are funding your show so how so how is the experience different well one i would say it's amazing there's no day that we walk in going today we could just lose money because we're going to make a philip defranco show we have when i first uh when i first bought the the rights back bought the channel back we had six employees as we're kind of branching out and building out um we have 16 employees right and so the whole it's kind of the bill huh 16 that's so yeah that's surprising that you have so many well so yeah because right now we only have the two channels and so it kind of goes around the same build out of when i first launched i don't know if you guys are familiar with sourcefed yes so early on the whole point uh or the whole way that i kind of try and grow a business is we grow fat so that we can split off and then be operate lean so grow fat operate lean and it's incredibly important so that's what we did before launching sourcefed uh before we launched sourcefed nerd the reason we had six hosts and a [ __ ] ton of editors on sourcefed was so that we could then split off into sourcefed nerd right operates clean lean um and also there's a lot of training um we brought on researchers to help with the show but also a lot of the new content and there was there's a lot of having to work with these guys so that like we started with four we have three there were several times during the process of trying to train these guys that we almost threw out like career ending false information that i i had to like catch at the last second um but the three that i have now are [ __ ] awesome like i trust i i don't want to say blind trust because that's that's when you get into a scary place but that's like my new core so now in the next jump as we start creating these these new shows need more researchers need more people to investigate the situations i have my core and i don't have to train them myself right so build out there uh pa is for for set building it's kind of low cost low low ish need because we're still just testing sets testing angles building things out while i'm doing the show uh new editor someone to handle uh patreon uh uh fulfillment so making sure people get their posters when something gets lost in the mail or broke and all you also has to do is send a message they contact hillary she's badass she handles it um and yeah and so right now we're still in the build up we keep everyone that's onto franco elite we have these end of month town halls and we're like these are new hires these who are looking for these are the shows we're working on we've tested uh one show that we were feeling pretty comfortable with it's not a good show what was it uh it was called it was supposed to be our like non-newsy show we're like yeah sure that can be like personality based um we're not gonna run with it it was called yuck city uh we probably move forward with getting graphic packages and doing or doing everything too soon but like our big thing is first uh or beginning of next year uh i want to say semi daily i'm scared to promise daily live shows going back to podcast live shows yeah so having so once again uh this is if if you're coming from defranco elite this is not news to you for general public uh i wanna have a mishmash of the podcast that if you if you ever saw the podcast i did with casey neistat right i want i want to maximize on that model because i love this right um it's just like when you're across from someone you're not doing like that side thing or someone's across the room it feels like a real conversation yeah um so i want to mix that with uh involving the audience a lot more yesterday i tweeted out it's like an early version of an app that we've we've had uh that we're going to release soon that kind of brings back on a bass level you could say it just does video responses but what we see it as is just this this big jump into having that direct video vid video to video connection with our audience right um you can still comment text and stuff like that but the focus is video what does video of the video mean oh so i mean i just mean like i'll whip it out whip it out but rip it out for you it's called the philip defranco but it's not going to be called that so it's just a really basic thing of i don't know so i'll have a video right there and that's essentially going to be sorry if you can't see it on camera uh it's essentially going to be me mike and oh yeah um so essentially once again very very basic thing we try and make things as or everything involved with what we're doing very simple so all this is is just this will probably be initially for what's your opinion on this right i talk about i talked yesterday about a story with uh august ames taking her life right and there were a lot of people sharing stories of um people they personally lost right and there's there's only some there's only so connected you can feel to text right and i want people to have like a conversation i even um i suspended the friday show as it was being done because essentially just me replying to comments and i wanted something that was more right um and i've said it for several years like i understand that it was only serving a small portion of the audience but i loved video responses i felt so so making individual video responses to comments yeah so essentially what will happen is these are some videos i made last night or that one is but there will be a video and i'll say like what's your opinion what's what's a story you have around this uh if it's if it's a story in the news what's your insight anything like that and then people can just easily submit interesting and the most important thing is it's easy for us to extract right now you can do it on twitter but it's semi-public you can do it on instagram and snapchat but you're stuck in vertical um or or there are limitations so we wanted to have this whole ecosystem where we built this out and then people once again uh when i say video to video it's not just people sending video responses there can then be sub threads of people talking to one another interesting um so this is something you're working on yeah my other question i mean my follow-up that you touched on a bit was i mean you what are your plans for the news organization that you're starting and what are the plan or do you have plans to expand beyond the philip defranco show yes no of course um the biggest thing the best success i've had so far is hiring researchers and organizing some of some of the new things we're gonna launch where we've had the biggest problem uh was uh right before my baby was born um my plan was get researchers get a ceo right someone that's running my business for the five to six hours that i'm in that room yeah it's incredible like i love doing my show it's i i but it's very hard to grow past that when that is 70 of your day sure um we had someone lined up uh for reasons i won't go into after lots and lots of negotiation and and and kind of going through the process it fell through um and that really i mean it's not the one thing that flocked my timeline really uh because it's hard to find good people i mean meaning the big thing for me is trust the last time i put someone in a position of power it was [ __ ] no good it was my it was like the worst thing i've ever done um can you talk about it and that sounds interesting that person is on a specific list uh god um [ __ ] but so but um luckily i have like a fantastic uh executive producer and amanda moronis i think you might have also met her she's a [ __ ] banff like the show as is would struggle if she wasn't in the company but she's been handling like [ __ ] six jobs along with me um but we've been still growing still good also the other hard thing is finding people for camera in la it's we've found either people are immensely too far too liberal um and that can be offset if i can find someone very very conservative but it is very hard um because it's very easy to find an entertainer that can make news consumable that's what i did with sourcefed right um you have to go through a ton of people you find people that are genuinely talented that's great but when it comes to what we're doing there has to be a respect there some of the respect can be kind of handed off from me to whoever this person is right this is me vouching for someone um but one i have to find someone that i can actually vouch for um and someone that's reliable and someone that it wants they want this to be their their main thing and not a thing that just promotes to their thing right i need like partners right right right now we're going through the process but those are i think those are the biggest hurdles you look you're you're you're tasked with finding on-screen talent that can hold their own show under your umbrella yeah like a like a anchor like one of these political shows you see on television yeah and because i mean my big thing is i want this to be someone's main thing i want to be supportive of them and make sure they're good and i don't want to lock them down in some contract that makes things weird right [Applause] what just happened and that's when my father passed away my father's actually alive no no yeah save that for something more tragic when we're talking about this pop us all with that i don't know if that was intentional but it was certainly interesting yeah but yeah dan said [ __ ] sorry but that's uh this is all once again this is all stuff that we we shared our town halls we try not to talk about stuff that's that's too i'm trying to i'm trying to put this [ __ ] he's like anyway we just lost 3 000 [ __ ] viewers shut the [ __ ] up about this slam spam the soundboard no that's not what happened pretty interesting dan very interesting approach i like your production style and right when they get to a point just [ __ ] shock everybody yeah just throw everyone off they're good all right listen let's take our break we've got a lot of stuff still left to talk about my goodness i had i did have one one uh let's see i'd have one more actually question about patreon yes how do you see patreon fitting into your long-term goals do you see it winding down as the business becomes self-sufficient or is it like an integral part of your business model going forward how do you see the future of it my plan is to move it over to an owned and operated site because the problem is i think far too many people view patreon as a donation service they they have made they have made changes internally and with how they market their company so that they can get away from it but but that is for people that patreon's not there every day they don't look at it like they still see it as like a donation service so once again the way that we view ourselves is it's transaction you're getting all this stuff obviously it's it's fan funding in the sense of the same way like when you sell a shirt when you sell merch uh because all that money is going right back into trying to create more and more content right when someone buys a shirt they're not buying a shirt because it's just like pretty cool right they're wanting to buy it because it's supporting you right because they're part of something um but my thing especially after what happened today my plan was to move off in two to three years i think that unless something else changes or there's a communication issue i do not want to be liable for other people's choices right the whole point of everything that we've done is so that i'm a master of my own future right and so when someone just [ __ ] changes everything like your core the thing that has made you bulletproof i got we had to deal with we still deal with it like demonetization issues today the people that that are on that are on defranco elite that's uh that get the get the stuff they're supporting us that way they make my show bulletproof i don't have to worry about demonetization i don't have to worry about what we're seeing uh more and more these [ __ ] crowds of people that don't like what you say and they find some [ __ ] you said like 20 years ago out of context and then they try and make you lose your job lose your sponsor i don't have to worry about that because i have an audience that supports what we're doing they're here for what i'm doing and here for what we're building right um and that's yeah i mean it's it's fantastic as far as it winding down we knew that in the first year that there would be uh initial drop-off there are people that just support want to be there and then they'd leave our but our long-term thing is releasing content early some exclusive stuff but it's mainly a focus on the early content because we want to especially with what we talk about we want to make sure that that gets out there because we're always trying to have a conversation about news and pop culture because i think it's important to have a an actual dialogue and not just scream at each other when you can sometimes sometimes you still do right okay i mean i i like the idea of i think that would be useful the separation of being like hey this is a subscription service right because patreon just definitely does hold the connotation of being like a donation site yeah i mean when we were using it a long time ago i had the attitude of like i i at one point i just removed the rewards all together because i was like i was like look because we were doing it ourselves and then right at certain point it became so much work that we couldn't like that became that would have been our main job just to fulfill sending stuff to people totally well at the time it was like i was actually hand making stuff yeah that was i was just like listen just you know help us out if you want that that was a while ago but like i think that that would be it i think interesting for their future and i think that's why they've they've started making references to your business your shows things like that i think that they are understanding because it's it's a massive tool for me um but i also think that it's something that we can do on our own owned and operated site um and i think that's the plan is to start slowly moving now okay all right let's take a quick break guys we will be right back with philap defranco thank you to our sponsor man cretes it's really hard to pick out the perfect gift but all too easy to totally flub it up you all know what i'm talking about introducing mancrates.com the surest way to find gifts that guys will actually love guaranteed these guys sent me a whiskey appreciation 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follow-up question about the patreon yes there is there's a lot of people who i guess criticize people who have patreons because i guess there's a distinction like you said about a donation versus a subscription model or something right and i think that there are people on the site that do it in that way i think even you guys are referencing that you would when you had one you used it in that way definitely and i think that they exist in in both places and you can usually tell the difference based on are you getting something or are you not getting something right um and i mean in a per month right content things my merch business is integrated into what we do there um but yeah wait sorry i cut your question off well so the the point that i'm getting at is that a lot of the criticism that people levy against some people on patreon something that you do too yes is that they hide the amount of money they get they only show the number of patreons they have and so my question is what what is your resume oh yeah what is your reasoning for hiding the dollar amount well i would say one we choose just to not show it i think when you start a conversation with hyde it automatically seems like sorry it's something i guess sure no i think it's a it's 100 a valid question of course it is a valid question i am glad that is coming from someone that has not been salivating to try and destroy my career in one way or another for years so i uh i i don't show it because we don't see it once again as donations if it was a donation site like when there was the the legal fund right of course show it but i see what we're doing once again as very close to rooster teeth first we're in like the infancy of it more and more of the content is being made content stuff access all that is there's a one-to-one transaction so in one way it's the same reason why any other small business that has a subscription service like that wouldn't say this is how much money we're making every individual month that you're going to dissect and then start trying to make one-to-one comparisons the second is while i think that a lot of my audience understands business like we we we go kind of our demo is very much like people that are entrepreneurs and trying to to move forward whether they're in the infancy of that or they are um there are enough people that do not understand everything that goes into building a business not just operating but growing that i think it would be too damaging people not taking into account that all that money is obviously taxable all of that money uh i have to pay salaries on top of that benefits i have to not only have insurance on all our gear but if i i have i have a plan in case someone doesn't like some [ __ ] i said about them and they're going to try and sue me into silence like yeah well i have to do their insurance for that yeah i had i had a conversation today they're like you're covered you're covered on everything and then in addition we have an umbrella package right right because we've been sued before really really we can't get umbrella packages oh that was what we were trying to get there's like a liability against lawsuits right or like information or copyright we can't get it wow yeah so so there's all that uh then there's rent utilities there's probably stuff i'm not even thinking of right now um and the only thing that i would i feel then comfortable in sharing and and i think it's the reason why it's it's so frustrating to me it's like i'm paying myself less money than i made last year i'm paying myself seven figures less than what i could have signed a deal for if i just wanted to make money if i if i wanted because once again everyone's trying to or not everyone the people that are trying to go after me and most of them are doing it with really bad information i don't know if they're peddling [ __ ] or they know that they are lying i do not want to just assume someone's lying to kind of kind of try and go from my throat but like i oh wait i lost my track i lost my track where was i we were talking about um operational costs right people peddling [ __ ] right so and then people try and muddy the water and they'll say like philip defranco he's worth 20 million dollars and then in the same thing they'll say like 8 million and like that's a [ __ ] range both of those are wrong by the way yeah and then they'll reference philip defranco he was a founder of maker studios that dude's [ __ ] loaded what about the part that it's public information if you just do a [ __ ] little bit of research uh i got a [ __ ] nothing i got nothing from that sale right and that's that's a big difference you must feel really bad about that no no i i think it feeds into i'm kidding about the makers no i was but when i when i say things like for me it's it's not about the money like for me making money that like there are so many different avenues i could cut from a why am i growing a 16 person staff when i had six when i could just cut down to two and just do the philip defranco show cut everything else out and make more money it just doesn't make sense um and it's just it's just generally frustrating um and i just i don't know uh i just had in my head of what else i wanted to say i try not to engage when anyone tries to fling [ __ ] at me because if you engage once they they expect you to engage on everything and then if you don't they're like well that's a tell and it's like no i just don't want to deal with the obviously incorrect [ __ ] like the people [ __ ] the people going at me they're the same people that could [ __ ] use some extra money for maybe a proper research team when the person involved is someone that's [ __ ] falsely uh accused someone of being a pedophile and then oh it's okay though they apologized afterwards or when it's the same person that's [ __ ] i don't want to use his name because he feeds off of it but the same person that when i was talking about the daddy of five story uh threatened threatened to say that i was abusing my child he has deleted that video he said if that kid if the kids from the daddy of five family get taken away i'm gonna i'm gonna call a child i'm gonna say child abuse with you and i'm like you're [ __ ] you're gonna make a full false child abuse claim you [ __ ] like that's the kind of person that goes after you and i try not to engage i try and do nothing and it's so frustrating to see someone that's up it just it's honest it's disgusting it's disgusting it's always really frustrating to see wrong information about yourself out there in general we've seen it too by ourselves not even related to who's saying what just it's so frustrating to know wait this is wrong but when you get to a certain way so wait i want to say there is there is a picture that says and it's such a genius move uh well it's either genius or incredibly stupid there is a picture that they don't do any research into all the stuff we've built out which we've been very public about if you watch like a vlog or tweets or [ __ ] anything uh they're like he he the most he gets or the most he's done with his patreon is he changed his pillows right and then they say and that's what he gets for 250 000 a month on patreon which i i will say is an absurd and ridiculous number now it's it's idiotic if they actually think i make that or it's genius because they they're throwing out such a [ __ ] number that they're like well then what is it and then i still stand by the same reasons of why we don't choose to share that number especially with i mean once again we were talking about it uh i do plan to move it off because i understand why there is a connotation with patreon and and donations and that's in no way what we see ourselves as and in no way what we're doing it's fan funding in the sense of selling a shirt giving a product giving videos et cetera anyway i felt good yeah that's fair i mean i think the analogy that you made about other subscription services not because it's a business it's the backbone of your business yeah and um i mean if the people who subscribe to your patreon are satisfied right and that's a and that was one of the things too it's like one person didn't get their poster and they're like phillip defranco scamming his fans they're paying for posters and i'm like one person have you ever have you ever mash shipped a product [ __ ] breaks [ __ ] gets lost that's why we have a person that's dedicated to make sure you get your [ __ ] like that's why that person gets paid make sure you use that person um i guess there's a natural segue here to my next point dogs how yeah i've never felt lighter yeah the patreon thing is really it's it's tough because like i think that the separation of it i think the point that you make is the most important of separating it out from subscription to straight up donation right right um like that's the reason we closed ours so long ago because we're like look we don't we recognize that taking your money at this point is disingenuous because we're self-sufficient now um and at the time we used it we really needed the money right it was really helpful but that was a different case right that was before adsense made any money for us or before we had any sponsors so it was really just a donation based thing yeah but what you're describing is actually different yeah it's really i've always been torn on the whole patreon thing and that's the thing like i can't get angry at people that are being fed information that's wrong or they just have like that connotation in their head of okay that's a joke yeah the connotation but the thing that's frustrating is the people that then lean into [ __ ] even though the actual information if you just do your work especially if your juicy story like all the pieces like all the the the attempts to hit me all it did was make me feel such an appreciation for idubbbz like when when he goes after you he hits you clean and you just have to watch the video and be like well [ __ ] me like but then and then you watch other people and you're like oh [ __ ] this is this is some bush league did you need the adsense also wait i want to point something out right because i'm i'm so ridiculous i screenshotted this because it was so priceless the guy one of the the guy i don't want to mention his name that uh that went after me for having a patreon which gives us stability gives us safety is helping us grow i think within 24 hours of that same video he tweeted had enough of youtube demonetized my videos so i appealed and it gets monetized i wake up again and it's demonetized again overnight my views have been cut in half and my videos have been getting demonetized like crazy so demotivated right [ __ ] you you well yeah i mean they're like okay even let's say i agree i've been so sad if my clothes out for that was me cracked my pants let's say like i'm gonna play i'm gonna look at this from all sides like objectively like i have some issues with patreon i have some reservations about it but even if i say i i i feel uncomfortable with the idea of patreon you there you can only scam people on patreon to an extent like people are know what they're getting themselves into right they know what they're giving money for right and they are free to stop anytime it's not like um you you you can't really by the very nature of it you can't really i mean nobody's giving money against their will and and the whole thing itself is pretty up front like a whole system of it the only way if the only way you could be scammed is in two ways uh one i'm just pocketing the money on making bank and uh just keep in mind uh wait i said this somewhere else not to you uh i'm paying myself last uh oh you know i already said it yeah yeah um oh god i lost it sorry guys who am i there's two way there's two ways to get a scam on page right so it's you charge for something and then you don't send it out to them right so like a poster which once again if anyone's ever supported us you didn't get your [ __ ] contact us there is an easy way to get it um and the people that don't get it are incredibly in the minority uh the second is uh growth right we said that we want to get more videos get more everything out but even in the launch video i say i don't want to blow smoke up your ass you're not going to support this and then instantly this news network exists it's going to take time and i'm not saying that just because i want to take my time but because i know having built a business before there are pitfalls there there are things where you're just like [ __ ] we can't move on this this is hard especially in a business that i i personally i care about trust so much with everyone that we bring on because i've had so many well not so many some specific horrible instances in the past that i never want to experience again uh so yeah just stuff like that it's just i i i think but what other point what other problems you have well i love i wanna my thing with patreon is when i support people on patreon i don't really expect my attitude is that i'm giving i'm donating to support this person that's how i see it i think that's how most people see it when i suppose there's people that i support just like that i support people on patreon and i don't expect anything you know in exchange if people are expecting something and they don't get it like i don't know i mean it depends on the person it could be a scam i don't know and then like um i guess the other way that you could scam someone is making it sound like you're struggling more is that a scam saying it implying that you're struggling more yeah no i think like in our video we talked about very risky i was going from a situation where i had a paycheck no matter what we can we could have been getting three views per video i can still take that check to the bank i'm good uh but i had to buy the channel back i had to then or i didn't have to but i took my staff which then all needed salaries and lawyers fees than the new place then getting gear if we weren't able to already like get some of the gear in a contract um so it's a lot of initial cost and also specifically with with launching this new thing you don't know what kind of backlash you're gonna get there have been people that tried to to launch um things on patreon and it like [ __ ] maimed their career uh and i think it's just properly explaining what you're going to do with it it was protecting properties and shows that already exist how rude yeah uh protecting properties and shows that already exist uh and trying to to build out because once again like i want to fill a hole that i see on the internet that uh that bothers me it's why i do my show it's why i want to expand um and like i even with the [ __ ] it's like can you imagine if i actually was scamming people how that's [ __ ] career suicide on top of just being maybe more people there'd be more people talking about not getting [ __ ] i would say right eventually but there might be like a screenshot of like four to ten oh my goodness uh that that randomly pops up and we're gonna believe all of them but like here's i mean obviously and i'm i'm saying that that's not even a thing it's like literally based off of one tweet from a guy that's like but i don't think he's scamming anybody i saw that tweet by scarce actually i thought it was i mean he's like i didn't get my stuff but i think he's good and he's the most scarce he's like contact us send a message i'll also send you a mug i don't think you're at that tier but i'll send you a mug i was saying to you when we were on break and i'll say it here too i think your idea of eventually moving it to a different platform it's probably a really good idea because patreon is just by nature associated with just being a donation right and i think that they're they once again i think they're trying to get past it they'll be probably will eventually but as long as there are people that use it in that manner which hey no hey there are a lot of small creators that yeah like they don't need more [ __ ] on their plate uh in addition to what they're already providing um i i think but i think for me personally just because everything that i do and that connotation same thing i said on the phone today to to jack conti my plan is now has been expedited to get offsite obviously that's not specifically because of the connotation but it definitely plays into it yeah i think i think it would help like um help thwart the some of the criticism because you making that crowbar separation but yeah i think a lot of it is just fueled by bitterness that like you get well i never want to say that it's bitterness right i mean it's there's some people that just do it it's it's there's people that are that are bitter that we're making money now and i like somehow i just see that it bothers people and it's what fuels their criticism of you it's like there's something of like i don't know what i don't know what it is like um if i'm not walking around in like gucci and [ __ ] um flaunting my wealth all the time i'm being dishonest about how much money i'm making or something i mean i don't talk about how much money we make because i just don't find it becoming right i get that and some people just like different [ __ ] like i i put my money in like tech right like i'm not i have like a i think i got this shirt from j crew which is a nice quality shirt which you should buy unless you guys have a clothing brand yeah well we still need yeah i'm not there yet i'm not i was giving you an opportunity this sweater is [ __ ] insane bro this is coming drop too holy [ __ ] in january it came out amazing says happy like that down the sleeve happy like that like someone who would wear a sweater with a teddy bear on it yeah like that yeah i don't know it's all sloppy i i mean if anyone could look at our channel and not like assume that we're doing very well i don't know i mean it's pretty obvious right i mean we're not and i guess the same would be true of of any large youtuber you have to assume to certain extent that they're they're wealthy well it's dangerous though too because there are people that don't have the the kind of post schedules they have kind of content where like we've been very fortunate to have been on the site for a long time and and also in addition to our support and work with specific sponsors that totally back us um it's so like i hate when people assume every creator uh has a [ __ ] ton of money because there's some people out there that haven't monetized properly or they're new um or they don't have a good release schedule they're not making that much they're going like check to check um yeah sure and so i think like that's the thing like i'm doing yeah it doesn't really matter look if you're getting over 10 million views a month mm-hmm for the most part you're probably could also be making a nice living it also depends on region i have some friends yesterday of course yeah that's like it's like spanish-focused audience yeah it does really it's actually yeah it's kind of hard to make a statement if you're a miracle okay yeah i think putting it in it also depends how long your videos are in the game still even if you're getting the worst monetization and you're getting 10 million views a month you're still probably making like around at least ten thousand dollars a month yeah wait if you're american if you're getting 10 million views a month you're gonna probably be making at least and you're american and you have a mostly american english-speaking audience yes you're probably gonna be making at least ten thousand dollars a month it also depends on your demonetization issues i've seen people that have far worse demonetization issues than me i feel like even then even these days you have to really be [ __ ] up to not monetize it to that level i'm just trying to be frank about like how money works on youtube yeah well i'm trying to also keep it open in the sense of like because i know guys that get triple my views but on adsense they get less because their audience isn't english-speaking so they're they may be american but that's an exception for sure but yeah i don't know just yeah something i've been thinking a lot about yes off off like the amount of criticism that you can get when you're in a you're at a point where everyone's it's so easy to shoot up right to punch up when i when we were coming up on youtube we could talk [ __ ] say anything about anyone and like you just you don't feel you don't feel the sense of responsibility you don't feel so much the consequence of what you're saying because you're just some guy and who you know like we could we would talk shouldn't say anything about anyone but when you're on top and you become the guy that everyone has that attitude about right it definitely affects you so my question is how is how important is head space to what you do what do you mean head space like mental where are you mentally like do you have are you i found like how's your how your mood affects like do you do you focus on your mental health like i you've conquered the physical world in a sense right i would have started saying it at least but do do you find the conquering the internal world of your own mind is something that you ever think about like is it part of your daily routine only recently um i uh i i c and my inside my head is a very horrible toxic place i think like a lot of people that um once again it's not it's not like a pity story part of being here is being criticized by everyone by for everything that you do uh and so it can be a toxic place i think a skill that i've worked on pretty well is not not stopping for every barking dog um for to not say everything that i i feel like saying because uh my words have really sharp teeth um sometimes it says slip out it's something that i i try and think about and work on despite uh my audience whenever it comes out letting me know they love that and i'm just like oh but i hate that part of myself uh i've recently over the past uh week started trying to meditate five five minutes a day and it has oddly put me in a good place uh i thought i i thought it was kind of [ __ ] but just taking a moment to just like like say [ __ ] all things like ideas are gonna uh go through your minds just try it try the the try as well as you can to to to not grab on to them like just just be fine with not like letting a thought pass um once again in no way an expert i'm still on my free trial headspace yeah i know it's on a personal level because like um did you talk about your tweet because i wanted to ask you about that i haven't really well the one about fame yeah which i think probably connects to it yeah i don't know i don't know if i'm putting you on the spot now no not at all it's all fair game yeah i just found like it's really it's just been so weird like in the past month or man the past year generally i've just i've only become aware of it in the past like month or maybe two where my mood's just been like steadily decreasing to a more negative cynical cold place and it's really been affecting my work too i find that my comedy and the work we do is best when i have levity in my heart as corny as that sounds right that's like the the least comedian thing i've ever heard i don't know why that's good that seems healthy i when i'm when i'm unhappy and i'm anxious and i'm in an awful mood i just i i can't create comedy like i truly feel like the work we create is a really reflection of how we're feeling at the time and i think that's a big part of why we haven't been posting h3 videos so much is because i just been in such a negative headspace recently and i'm just reflecting on like reflecting on how i've changed since since we've come to i don't know whatever you want to call it like fame for lack of a better word on youtube it's just like um i just feel like it's made me a worse person like um distance myself from people you know i'm less trustful of people i've found that i'm just really stan i i can be a total looking back on past relationships it's clear now that it wasn't at the time that i was just a really an [ __ ] really like standoffish and rude and expecting too much of people and not being more aware of how my actions are affecting them you know i think i think the first step is just acknowledging that i mean that's incredibly important like we're all human we have these horrible things you're in a position that uh a smaller percentage of people um than than have uh had that have like going through it um and i think just when you see that [ __ ] thing just holding on to it i personally find the people i hate the most are full embodied representations of my worst moments like my temp like my worst temporary moments um so i think it's fine i mean do you like is there is there a specific thing recently in your head nothing it's it's a lot of stuff it's a lot of it's just a general personality change i think and like looking back at like what's like the golden age of age three was like a really carefree happy time in which like there was just really no bitterness or you know there's no bitterness in me and it really was like a blossoming creative time and i think the more negative i feel the more i hate myself the more that i don't believe in my creativity and my product and it's like this vicious cycle of just closing in on myself and anyway i agree that like i've been feeling like there's something wrong for a long time and i think that was the first time i like verbalized it and i really felt like by just saying it that would be the beginning of of hopefully some kind of journey of of getting better how how has it been since then it's been good i mean like it's been tumultuous a little bit because it's it's hard to come to terms with like um not liking yourself you know i mean but when you would know but when you acknowledge that thing that you don't like about yourself is it's very easy i think to go like and that sucks but are you then taking steps to modify yourself your behavior yeah your interactions yeah well i think it's a [ __ ] process like and i'm not and i say that in the sense of i don't want you to feel bad about this very normal human thing like i want you to like going through it's rough it sucks yeah life is awesome and also the [ __ ] worst yeah i mean it's it's so frustrating to have achieved everything you've ever wanted and to be like miserable but i guess so achieved everything you ever wanted like you have what you have now but like why do you keep doing it i don't know that's what yeah so you don't have an answer you don't have like you don't have the answer to like the question of why keep doing it i felt like completely stuck for a whole year like i wasn't developing mentally um professionally my thoughts were unoriginal i was obsessing about the same stupid [ __ ] all the time i felt like completely stuck and previously i was always to pry to my like my self-awareness and my development and feeling like i was growing and becoming more sure and just i felt like so [ __ ] stuck so i just like the process of becoming unstuck that's very abstract i don't know if it makes sense no it does i mean just in life your meaning yeah yeah in my own life in life in my mind and everything is is um i mean it's painful because i'm confronting like i said things that i that i don't like about myself it's important though too that's good i mean so having that thought did that come purely from you or are you lucky enough to have someone in your inner circle that was willing to call you on some [ __ ] because that's that's if for anyone i think a lot of negativity was bubbling about us and i think it was all a reflection of stuff that we weren't we were putting out i think a lot of it was exaggerated it made whenever you make yourself vulnerable there's tons of people who are quick to take advantage of that and to use it against you right so it's hard to make yourself vulnerable when you're in the position that we're in because you they make people there's people that will make you regret that right right um so i think i was very hesitant to make myself vulnerable because i felt like misrepresented and unfairly criticized by a lot of people and i think there was a certain point when all this negativity kind of mounted and i realized maybe they're not completely right what they're saying because i'm so defensive yeah like when someone criticizes me i'm just like they're totally wrong and they're [ __ ] i hate that person so it's like maybe they're not totally right but they're probably a little right yeah right i mean that's the stuff that hurts is when someone says some [ __ ] that you thought like i this is on a completely different level but i did a video last week that was nothing but one uh story about a youtuber and it was like really well done in the research and everything but i was like this isn't what i'm [ __ ] doing why am i why am i doing this i got i got like i know exactly what you're talking about i got like time time-wise i got trapped and i was like well we could either post really later this is the [ __ ] video um and like it wasn't like random people coming to my videos it was my guys and i was like you know what you all like you're saying the [ __ ] things i agree with that also makes it hurt most that hurts but let me acknowledge and own it right um and and i think but that's like that's also i think what makes it potentially different than any other like mainstream artist when something happens with a mainstream artist it's like very thought out okay i apologize for this for offending we can have a conversation be honest with an audience member and hopefully that actually brings us closer right because it's like okay we can be critical of each other it doesn't have to be like i'm just i just blindly follow you because that's like obviously every audience has that but i don't want that that's too much right sure yeah yeah i think that's true and i think in a lot of ways there's i felt like a distance between us and our audience would sucks because i think the closeness of us with our audience as well always made kind of what i felt we were doing special yeah and so i'm trying to get back to that in a genuine way but let's let's let's move forward into this like why do you guys do this podcast now other than it's part of your schedule i mean yeah what's the goal yeah like is it just because it's like a fun time to hang is it moving forward is it just like right a lot of people in our business they they try and grow just so they get more [ __ ] to compare to the other people's [ __ ] um is it is it notoriety um is it a specific kind of impact right i think that's like the hopefully what we all try and kind of end up hitting it doesn't have to be doesn't take anything away but like why do you do the podcast why do you still put yourself out there because there's got to be a reason like if if we're in a head space where we're making ourselves at certain times right because i've gone through [ __ ] uh peaks and valleys uh like why do we do it like if we don't have that that kind of north star of the answer i think then we just have to try we don't have to find it before we keep moving forward but just it should be part of the process like what is it well the podcast has been anchored for us throughout this shitty time for me personally because we've been pretty absent on our main channel and this has like forced us to come out regularly talk with our fans have this show this experience and um for me it's really been an anchor i mean i think it's been hard to come out here and do the show when i'm struggling internally but it's also it's really healthy to force yourself to have to work right okay so and and but it keeps our it keeps us active in a time when i was you know sleeping or whatever you want to say so it sounds like it's all right now at least it's all about stability like emotional and like doing something i guess you could right yeah i think so and and maybe even connection with your audience that's that's a big part of feeling connected especially which is very but that's also i want to say that's so dangerous for us to feel especially because i've pushed people away like my inner circle is very small um but pushing so many people away where the primaries the primary source of who we feel connected to is our audience i feel like it should be a part of the equation but that's where that's where i feel like i've had my darkest times where it's like my audience essentially controlled me which it's there's a strong core there but they can be fluid right you can't control who finds you and what they say to you i don't know i don't know i love talking about stuff like that yeah that's so glad you're like open about stuff like that because a lot of people just keep that [ __ ] inside and then they have that video where they just [ __ ] break down which i think i was getting there yeah so like you know i think openness is important and i think it's important for people to know that like i hate this notion that like if you're successful you can't complain right well no one wants to look up on the hill and see someone [ __ ] their tears rolling down into their problems right yes it's like just because like you just because you have a good living doesn't mean that you can't have problems i feel like a lot of but you know like also everyone's got pro i don't know the whole thing is [ __ ] a mess such a shitty situation once again it's not a crimean rivers thing but you feel guilty for feeling bad and then that makes everything worse sorry there's there's some there's something that's kind of also hilarious about how [ __ ] horrible being human is yeah the human experience is a tragedy you know i was i was we just got this puppy and he's so cute and carefree he's a perfect angel he's he's without sin and i think that creatures like this exist why we as humans love these creatures is because they exist for us like they exist for us to like see that that to live vicariously through them so something can be pure this we have this pure creature and even though so pure like our lives are complicated and messy and sometimes miserable this there's this pure wonderful creature who's an angel sent from god and it's like the fact that that can exist in some state is um it it's it's it's comforting right it is comforting to know like i i genuinely love that yeah i mean something so simple so pure he doesn't have thoughts because if he did he'd be [ __ ] he's a little robot he's a little adorable robot he has needs [Laughter] but i think that's that's everyone getting high or drinking everyone wants to make some stuff make themselves a little more simple life simple for a second man do you think that fame's changed you do you think that it's changing for the better or the worse long-term better um initially horrible uh i talked about it um on videos in the past but i remember just like there was this one moment that my my wife she was then girlfriend uh cut me off where i was i was like i was about to be like all right no i actually said to her i was like does he [ __ ] know who i am what's keeping keep in mind nine years ago [ __ ] it's also why i try and uh be a little more lenient uh with some of the newcomers uh when they initially come up because you're going from regular life to all of a sudden everyone says you're [ __ ] awesome and all this great shit's happening um but then you only get a little bit of runway uh then you can you can quickly find out who has good people around them to call them on their [ __ ] which is why i asked if someone uh had kind of mentioned something to you uh or you can have horrible hangar-ons that are just yes yes yes yes yes um and some some try and use it for themselves and some are just content holding on uh but no i think long-term good uh i think that it's made me there there are dark times in in the middle but i have this this big goal of trying to to communicate and getting people involved in a bigger dialogue right i had to go through a time where i didn't know why i was doing it like why am i [ __ ] moving um but i think in general better it's on purpose was that like that purpose but also being in this position allows you to see people from so many different backgrounds like uh i have my very limited experience you guys have your experience and as storied as it might be it is relatively limited when when you think about the scope of the world um so seeing everybody and keep in mind only the people that are sounding off and sharing their story with me uh but that's that's made me appreciate uh being more open because not everyone has my same story uh it's easy to talk about a topic when you think that there is one uh un un uh deterred truth but that's not that's just not the world so i think it's i feel like i've become better because of it and i've it gave me my purpose it gave me a connection to people that's cool that's encouraging yeah um but there are dark days i mean there are dark days i'm not like [ __ ] glowing sunshine everything i talk about everything in my life came from me being in a horrible place uh and and being pissed off but i want to talk switch gears a little bit here about the daddy of five saga i found that whole thing a little bit fascinating for lack of a better word dan give me a freaking break please i found it really fascinating what that was like exactly what i said i'm a living meme with myself um you went super hard on those guys you guys basically had a beef right no i wouldn't call it a beef i i did uh detailed reporting on a person that was doing there was calls and responses right well he was he was trying to convince his audience that i was somehow the real bad person in the situation uh which was weird because i wasn't the person that was pushing children or hitting children or having other children slap the other kid as part of a fun video where we're going to monetize it um and apparently law enforcement agreed with me that it wasn't okay right and now they had to change their channel to family of five yeah because the other two kids are yeah with the uh if unless there's been a dramatic change uh in the past two weeks um but yeah man that's i wouldn't call it a beat it was just some guy trying to say that what he was doing wasn't wrong yeah and actually and it's not it's not okay just for me to put it on mike it was both the pic both the parents they were choosing to put put everything up and the fact they're still on the internet and they still have an audience that has seemingly just forgiven them or not even forgiven them have been in their corner the entire time it's disgusting they're the fans of that channel do perplexed me i don't know who they are because there's still one there's still like a decent amount of people watching like 30 50 yeah yeah they're nowhere near where they were yeah um but god well i i like in that case like you're reporting i could say i don't know if it's single-handedly but it resulted in also i do want to say because i didn't do all the work myself there were a lot of independent people including like people like nick monroe that did a lot of investigative work um and so i don't want i don't want there to be some idea like it was just me on the front line okay i had the large audience yeah um but and i'm so thankful for them because without them most likely nothing would have happened but yeah i just wanted to say that so it's not like i'm trying so you and others yes we're i mean directly responsible for these kids being removed from the house i i think we're responsible for everyone was talking about it i mean we made a video too it was like a general yeah online critic i feel like okay fine what i would say is we are responsible for approach or more people paying attention to this thing we were responsible for more people paying attention to this obviously messed up situation um and and then luckily the people that are supposed to do uh what they're supposed to do in that situation did it right very thanks very much to so many people that made sure they downloaded the videos before they privated everything making sure that uh that everything that had been openly like it was it was there for so long if it hadn't been for one video that just happened to go a little more viral yeah right it would have been the same situation it's kind of well i guess the point that it's it's kind of it's scary in a way that like you can wield that much power to like break up a family whether it was deserved or not just it was i mean it's crazy to see that direct if you're if you're putting something out on the internet obviously i understand if you're surprised if you have a small account and something happens right like those people that say something and all of a sudden it goes viral but we're in a position where enough people see it and hopefully enough people move on something uh to protect like in this situation and once again it's all about the way you say it like kids getting take away kids being moved to safety right kids being moved to uh hopefully more okay situation where um i'm sorry when you're that young unless that kid went to some [ __ ] crazy acting classes like that's yeah never really i never bought that [ __ ] yeah yeah that one video in particular was the well the slap video i think was the one the pink one was the one oh the pink ones when it started and then the slap one was like that was that was it that was everyone was like well that's not rough yeah that's you monetize a video of children hitting each other yeah right um god but yeah i mean that's i mean that's a situation that's still moving forward um i just uh i just learned today that someone's been trying to to reach out and so because there's something something i don't know the full detail so i don't wanna just like yeah sure sure but yeah no i'm i'm i am very happy that my show can have an effect in the real world especially when it's children in danger yeah and what i perceive to be danger yeah well ultimately and it was worth noting as you did it was ultimately the police who decided that right it was an unsafe situation for the right authorities got involved and what happened happened right yeah um but as you touched on he's back under a new banner yeah i think five they they are back they uh yeah i think they have like certain stipulations as far as what they're able to show in the videos i don't know i have to uh by by uh like child authority it's part of it's i think it's part of their plea deal i have to look into the specific things i haven't once again i haven't looked into it in a little while i just became aware that they were still going strong um yeah we want to know what do you think about these guys back on youtube i mean i think they're discussing individuals the uh the court system decided what they decided um i think that you know i i i and everyone else involved have to be okay with that but i'm if if something happens i'm pretty sure people are going to respond or contact us yeah um hopefully hopefully you're more tame i mean for sure like you said if if he ever towed the line it would come up immediately yeah i mean i'm sure they have to they have to be paying attention to what they're putting out now i imagine i don't know i just anyone that does anything to to children i just want them do stuff that i shouldn't say on a podcast that's out to as many people as you guys hit right okay fair enough uh um yeah that whole saga was was bananas man yeah the whole story of it that's i got so i remember there was one moment i got so annoyed when uh i think it was good morning america did a piece on them and it was after like some of the worst footage had come out uh and they like did a sit-down interview and there was it was weird right they the family was on the news yeah the family was on the news they they sent someone down there to i think talk to them or talk about it and the main takeaway like you could see something weird with them but they didn't show the worst footage most likely because they're on morning television um and they kind of just like played up what the family has been saying of like the family says it's fake anyway on to this lofty nothing piece um and i was i was like this is a [ __ ] this once again real situation real people uh and most importantly children that do not have control of their lives uh it's it's funny to see a puff piece yeah right perfect for daddy of five well i wouldn't say that it's like they were like i'm giving them a massage but you could they didn't show the words they didn't they didn't yeah it was like it was something to fill time right there was no it seemed like there was really no care about the people involved right you know i remember when that video first floated to our attention was several months before the story blew up was the one of him like tearing up his room and him being like cody yeah whatever just stop being a [ __ ] whatever it was awful and me i remember watching with you and be like how do i even like this is just too awful yeah i can't how do i what am i going to respond stevo when we made a double reaction to it his comment was so perfect he's like oh i understand why this isn't funny we're watching child abuse i was like that's [ __ ] you really just nailed it yeah like he was like genuinely disgusted that video was was great that was a perfect one to watch with stevo yes he's like the prank god right and right to be like this is not a [ __ ] prank i think was the perfect this on it's not a prank i would like to i steve i would like to separate myself from ever being associated with this thing right well um this is a great conversation thank you i tried covering the ground not really let me go meditate after this one yeah i'm saying once again apparently i'm just giving free sponsors uh headspace app it's been great so far but that's that's because i've gone to the part i haven't gotten to the part where i have to start paying yet right you get me addicted yeah i guess there's customary question for all of our guests at the end of our show oh okay that our fans will kill me if i don't ask do you have any ghost stories or paranormal experiences or alien visits well if this is a common question i feel bad because your audience is going to hate me because i hate when people share ghost stories because i think it's just [ __ ] i have none i think that's the what's interesting the uh but it's surprising how many people do have stories right like i think 95 percent of them like i love my father he's like i remember one one day i woke up and i looked to the door frame and i saw my mother and i didn't have the heart to be like or you could have just been groggy and on [ __ ] pain medication definitely it's okay yeah but whatever makes you happy well i i think it's a great like dichotomy is that right word am i overstepping my addiction it's a great contrast to say because i'm very i don't believe in any of that stuff and i'm constantly surprised by who has them and to what scope we had jordan peterson on here and he had this elaborate unbelievable ghost story and i i was like i feel like a complete idiot asking jordan peterson if he has a ghost story and he was like i have the best ghost story and so i think i'm so you never know you never know what i'm so sorry it's totally fine that's life yeah i'm not saying everybody that has a ghost story is crazy yeah um but i just don't have them and i don't believe in it yeah yeah me too and i think you're weak-minded if you've experienced it i'm just playing i'm playing i'm playing i want to go out offending people i don't want anyone having the [ __ ] false uh belief that i'm an okay person yeah let's let's snub that out now all right well thanks for joining us thank you i thought that was a great combo we covered a lot of ground there yeah compensation spread i was gonna make a fire joke but oh god oh god are you still alive nobody died right i don't know some horses i was like i don't have [ __ ] google right in front of me you guys have you're the girls guy how many people died i'm like there could be a fire outside i have no [ __ ] idea i think so far nobody died so it's safe to joke about that's the role it's just their stuff and their lives guys yeah that's fine it's just stuff i don't think that's a rule but i didn't make okay thanks for stopping yourself i heard ela in my head anyway thanks again thank you um i'm gonna drink this water that's not in the cup to fill the time can you get a close-up of that mug here dan right this mug will be on our website next week yeah right now how about that rep your niche oh let's end with um put on shredder cam right we gotta check one in we'll just we'll log out softly with shredder kim and fade with the podcast theme so with that i say goodbye i love you appreciate you we're actually working on an h3 video this weekend will hopefully be out tomorrow i'm very happy and excited about it i leave you with shredder the pure sinless angel he's here to remind us he's looking at the camera look at this dog he is pure of soul [Music] and to cuddle and to comfort he's pure he is sinless he original sin does not apply to this animal yeah everything bad about him just comes out it's it's what it's how we all want to exist but it's okay because he's living for all us sinners shredder is jesus shredder is jesus he's living for all of us shredder shredders he shreds for all of us look at this monster god give me a [ __ ] day right on cue here's the thing about babies not everyone loves babies everyone loves puppies i hope so i hope everyone loves puppies everyone loves babies come on i mean like not like puppies though i think puppies elicit a response in humans for whatever reason that i don't think babies reach that level of emotional like at least for me and if it applies to me it applies to everybody i was like i don't want to talk about my when you have because i get [ __ ] every time cats no i don't care about cats you hate cats i don't like them i'm talking about that's a bold opinion on the internet you're talking about puppy specific all right let's not get too deep i thought we ended this episode all right all right get back to shredder what matters all right guys thank you for watching i love you with the peace and the comfort that this dog exists in right now and i hope that you'll find a piece of that comfort in this have a great weekend have a great weekend thanks for spending your time with us love you bye

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Length: 123min 13sec (7393 seconds)

Published: Sat Dec 09 2017