Gun Gripes #329: "Travelling with Firearms"

welcome back everybody this is eric here with iraq veteran 888 today i've got another gun gripe episode for you and i have a special guest here with me today this is matt mallory for meet the pressers welcome back thanks thanks for having me glad to be back yeah matt's been on the channel here uh you know a few times on some various content and he happened to be you know coming down to georgia to do some training and it's always a great opportunity to have some guests here on the channel so he decided to drop in and cut some videos with us and in today's gun gripe we're going to be discussing traveling with firearms there's a lot of misconceptions there's a lot of misunderstandings and shortcomings that people have and to be clear i mean there is a lot of confusion we're going to kind of dive into that a bit and discuss some of these things and i think you'll come away from this particular video hopefully with a much better understanding of you know what it's like to travel with 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of got a little bit of perspective where you you know what it's like to travel around with with guns because you're going all over the place to teach right but you also have that perspective of knowing that all right the policemen in in whatever random state you travel to they don't know your policemen and unless they pull you over or something but you also kind of realize like hey i'm not in my home turf like you know i'm i'm i'm out here just like anyone else and it can get confusing when like every state has all of their own random rules and laws that you got to follow and there's all the carry reciprocity differences and like oh well you know this permit doesn't have reciprocity with this state and you got to plan your route and think all right these are the states i'm going to be passing through i mean isn't all this just really confusing yeah it's a lot of work for sure you know in in in some sense being law enforcement it does give me a little bit of you know the professional courtesy might be extended doesn't necessarily mean it would be um but it's still a concern even in my mind because i'm going to a state that doesn't allow high capacity magazines like new jersey's even tough on law enforcement up from other states coming into new jersey so even in that case i i limit even myself i usually try not to if i can help but take anything over a 10 round magazine out of new york state just that i don't have to worry about the hassle or any issues and i've always had this um higher level of thinking is what i call it when i teach my students that if you if you do everything you can so that you're in compliance with the law no matter where you go like castle doctrine and stand your ground yeah castle doctrine stand your ground's a thing but if you if you make the choice of getting away and not standing your ground right getting away and not defending your castle and not being in the fight then they can't charge you with something right so no matter what state you're in in the entire country you're going to be safer that way and i'm trying to keep that same mindset where if i never bring more than a 10-round magazine out of new york state no matter what i'm bringing out of new york state i'm i can never have an issue it's it's a sure move point yeah so so you're you're sort of applying the lowest common denominator of what you know the the rules might potentially be right depend on where you go so let me play devil's advocate a little bit with this and i think a lot of people and i would imagine also including yourself you're probably wired just like this too because i know i know you and you've been on the channel before but when you look at all right all the states that are trying to push constitutional carry all right so you get into this weird and i don't want to call it a slippery slope because to those of us that are very pro-gun and we understand you know the sanctity and sacredness of firearms ownership and what that means to us as people like it's ingrained in our existence it's ingrained in who we are it's part of our identity so like being a firearms you know owner is is something much more than just simply some words on a paper that says shall not be in fringe like the second amendment is a lifestyle that we live and it is ingrained and has become a very important part of our everyday life so when you you see these states that are trying to push constitutional carry that's awesome it's great to see it does make you feel happy to know that i think right now 22 states have constitutional carry that's great um but there's this weird little kerkuffle that kind of exists here right and and look states rights are a thing so that's kind of what we get into is where you know you don't want to be able to tell someone well you have to apply the all right so say like just like we talked about before when we had the discussion with selective enforcement now if you guys haven't seen that gun gripe check it out if you haven't seen it it's the one that we put together where we talked about how they'll selectively enforce like let's say the feds for instance will selectively enforce how they're going to carry out you know certain like okay they're going to be really strict on guns but they're going to be really lenient on another type of federal law right selective enforcement we go into all of that detail the point is though that does sort of come back to states rights now when we get into like traveling with guns and okay one state may say well we've got really really strict laws regarding let's just say the carrying of firearms in our state be it some type of a firearms owner identification card that that is mandatory or maybe a mandatory training that has to occur and the reason that they won't uh accept reciprocity with another person another state's um you know carry a weapons carry permit is because they may not require training and that might literally be the only reason because every state that has reciprocity with them has to at least meet the standards that they set forth now it's frustrating now what i was trying to trying to get to more or less is that yes it's frustrating when you know states rights can be a really awesome thing because it's like all right cool i'm not subject to this really dumb thing that the feds are doing but then it can also go the opposite direction when it's like well i want my dang freedom look at all these other states that have constitutional carry but you have to respect the sanctity that each state has you know eventually you know they have to be able to set their own rules how they need to for sure and i guess that's up to you on the state level to kind of fight those fights where they need to be fought if constitutional carries being pushed in the state you live in and you're not doing anything to support it well you know you can't exactly be upset with what happens right and you're making a good point as far as the you know the constitutional carry and bills turning into laws people got to understand too that new politicians come in all the time so if you're up to par on the laws in one state and then next thing you know overnight they get a new governor or a new attorney general or whatever that law could have changed so if that law changes and you don't know ignorance law is not a defense you can't say to the officer i didn't know that officer they're really great now you do you're under arrest or here's your ticket or whatever right so knowing those laws is one thing keeping up with them is a whole different thing and then the intricacies between the states and how you know the how that changes like you can't carry even i can't carry into a federal or state park in a state unless i have even under lyosa being you know having law enforcement officer safety act i can't carry in a state park or into a federal park in a state unless i have a license or reciprocity in that state right now professional courtesy is typically gonna cover me there but that doesn't mean that it will everywhere so on the higher level i think to myself okay if i'm gonna go camping or hiking in a state park or a federal park in a specific state i might it might behoove me to probably get that extra license in that state just because i have a badge i still have i have a utah license i have a florida license a pa license i have licenses in other states i have a new york pistol license i don't have my guns on my badge and that's something that i preach to law enforcement all the time and we see it in the news your job's gone like that or you're on administrative leave with no weapons they take your badge you take your gun and say go home it's with pay without pay what does it matter if it's something that's gun related and you're sitting home with no gun to defend yourself and the jury of public opinion is out there saying that you're a dirt bag and we're going to come and kill you because you shot this young kid or whatever and you have nothing to defend yourself because your guns are on your badge you're going to be rethinking that so get a pistol license yeah if your state requires it like new york does and then that way you have your own guns that are separate from your job in law enforcement that's another bit of advice i give law enforcement in new york i think that is certainly a two-way street in terms of how those those types of situations can be approached i mean on one end okay say you show up on federal land to i don't know whether it's it could be as something as innocent as i'm going camping and i want to have a sidearm i'm like okay there's bears i mean stuff happens right for whatever reason you want to carry on federal land is is kind of irrelevant really like your reasons are your reasons and it doesn't have to you don't have to have a reason but be that as it may okay so you show up to the gate and they see you that you have your you know your badge or whatever and that you've identified yourself as law enforcement that can go two ways like on one end they may go well you should know better and sometimes they may say that or it may say or they may say well you know yeah you're supposed to have this next time you need to understand you need to have this but yeah just just go about your business but the average person doesn't have that professional currency right not usually the average person will have the book thrown at them in every single way possible so that's why it's important to understand that not only do you need to know the destination state you're going to and what their laws are you need to know what what states you're passing through exactly so that that can be really confusing and especially like right now over these last couple of years we've had so many new gun owners it's crazy right right and you look at and i'm not trying to paint this with a weird brush or anything like that but you look at like the varying amount of demographics of people that have become gun owners as well right i mean you've got more ladies than ever that have decided to protect themselves lots of women are buying guns and that's awesome right there's a huge diversity in the amount of people in the type of people are buying firearms but that also presents unique challenges in making sure that you know not only are law enforcement not going to have to be put in some weird situation but but you right like at the end of the day being pulled over for some type of an issue is an inconvenience of course that maybe can be avoided if people just you know take a little bit of time now my the way i look at it that two-way street is that i would just love to see you know nationwide constitutional carry and then see that makes life easier on everybody because then the police don't have to worry so much about you know oh well there's this stupid little like specific ordinance that we have to enforce here in this area or here's a state law that you know really only applies here and maybe a few other places you know i'm sure that at the end of the day they don't like to have to mess with it anymore than anyone else does and imagine how many times in one of those types of states that someone's been pulled over and the cops had to say yeah you can't do this and after a while it's like after so much explanation you kind of realize that like what the standard that you're applying to someone in that situation is just because it doesn't exist anywhere else it's only it's such a localized thing for you and your state that after a while you kind of have to realize maybe the cops start to realize maybe this isn't common everywhere like maybe we're the only people doing this and you know maybe we need to change yeah we're back yeah maybe it's everyone else that's right and we're wrong and sometimes it takes a little courage to kind of do some interest introspection and kind of go maybe we need to change maybe this isn't public at large that it's their fault that i mean any logical person would do x y z with a firearm be it in the way they carry it or the way they travel with it and maybe we're the ones that are wrong by by just maybe we're wrong for sure there's a couple things there one you know my first the thing i like to preach a lot is intent you know what's the intent unfortunately you know there is written in laws most laws country uh federal laws et cetera in different states intent is a big portion of that but i think as a society in politicians and law enforcement have gone that run down that realm like well the professional courtesy or the you know the discretion is thrown out the window and they don't look intent as much anymore they just say well you know you're in breach of the law who cares well what was the intent did the person intend to do something wrong because that's what the laws are made for is to catch people that were intending to do stuff bad bad stuff so if somebody innocently is doing something wrong and they just need to be educated on it i get it ignorance law is not a defense but in some sense you know as a peacekeeper in law enforcement you know enforcing the law is one thing but also educating people in the laws is another aspect but the law also can't be one that's drawn out of ignorance in the first place because if a law is so you know let's just say anti-logical like if right if everything that the if the premise of everything the law was passed under is is simply you know because of tyranny or because of their ability to excess their you know authority over people then that's not the right reason like laws have to be purpose-driven like you said there has to be some distinctive thing that let's just say the citizens in general have you know had an issue with i mean that's that's why we have laws you know you complain to the government the government passes a law all right it's a law right but you it's kind of weird how it doesn't ever go the opposite direction like a law gets passed and like for instance here in georgia i hope i'm right on this i'll have to i have to go through and uh and and check this again but for a long time there was this this old anti-poaching law on the books in georgia from like the early 1970s uh and it had to do with like where you can't carry a loaded long gun in your vehicle yeah and somehow that got like sort of mashed together to where now the police just say well you can't have a loaded long gun in your car when the original intent of the law was for hunting for poaching they they were worried back then i guess it works the same way people would ride around with a long gun in their car and then pull off on the side of the road and shoot a deer which is considered poaching you're not supposed to shoot from a roadway you're not supposed to shoot from a vehicle and somehow they took that basic idea that oh you can't have a loaded long gun when you're out hunting in your vehicle or something it's something along those lines and i don't even know it may not even be that the law anymore but here's the thing about it too is that regardless of what the law is sometimes there is the law and then there's the perception of what the law is so if the law enforcement officers in the state of milita well you can't carry a loaded loan gun in your vehicle and they and they've been told that for years and years and years and years and they've been forcing for years and years and years it doesn't really matter what the law actually is or what the original intent of the law is all that matters is the way that it's applied in terms of how it's enforced yeah it's the same way with uh um gravity knives in new york state that was a it was originally something with the old paratrooper knives where you turn it upside down the knife would come out and lock into place well now uh new york city was arresting people for just having a regular thumb assisted knife where if you could use gravity to open it and lock in place then they would apply that law to that knife which is you know it's ridiculous that's not the initial intent so recently they actually had a lawsuit uh and that was removed from the penalty i think 2019 if i'm not mistaken i want to go back to constitutional carry because you had mentioned that and there's something that you know i was breaking it down and thinking about if federally they make constitutional carry a thing i honestly believe new york will just ignore it i honestly think new york will say well because if you think about it we've got harboring fugitives we've already got sanctuary state sanctuary cities in new york and then on top of that you've got marijuana is legal like legal medicinally legal recreationally so do you really think that new york state's going to abide by a federal law that says anybody can carry a gun in new york state i don't think so i think new york's going to have state rights and they're just going to be what are you going to do federal government and the federal government hasn't done anything to enforce those first two things i just mentioned so are they really gonna do anything if they don't enforce the gun yeah and how do you know that that it's not just um really controlled opposition in the first place you know how do you know that the feds aren't in bed with with new york in terms of the way that they're applying this stuff if how do you know the feds didn't say well we'll tell you what okay you're going to legalize uh marijuana you go right ahead we're just we'll stay out of here and leave you alone yeah it could be like there could be some unhandled gentleman's agreement and there is no telling right sure so you're right you know just because it is politics and just because federally let's say we ever get constitutional carry it doesn't mean that there's still not going to be law enforcement officers out there that want to frisk you over some stupid crap or give you a hard time now okay well you'd be right and let's just say in in every legal sense if there was a federally uh passed constitutional carry law yeah but does that also mean that they wouldn't try to give you a hard time i mean yeah there's there's probably going to be places where old habits die hard and even if we did get nationwide constitutional carry that's not to say there's not going to be any group of people out there who are i mean look the way i kind of look at it is like this is when someone has let's just say position of office whether it's it's something as simple as hey i'm a police officer or i'm a clerk at the dmv or i run the d.o.t traffic cameras and i i'm responsible for sending out tickets to people for running red lights it could be anything all right i've worked for the road crew and i'm whatever any amount of power that someone is given even if it's just a type of power that maybe they just perceive it as power and it's not really power right like your duties are pretty defined right okay if you work at the dmv like your job is to do something very specific and that that's your job but there's always going to be that sort of um liquidity there of well i have access to this computer database and i can you know search for something for somebody or look something up i'm not supposed to look up even though it's breaking the law of doing that yeah even though it's breaking even though it's breaking the law doing it or say for instance in the argument of the situation we're posing here would be that okay say we have nationwide constitutional carry but yet there's still going to be police that will use their authority to go well i know what the law is but i don't care because i hate guns and look i mean part of it it's normal right like the people will use any type of power they're given to exert the will and and oftentimes their political will on other people so yeah if there's someone who gets into law enforcement and they went into law enforcement being anti-gun and let's just say the anti-gun stance got worse and worse and worse as they continue to be a police officer well then of course they're gonna you know they're gonna do what's anti-gun in their mind anyway regardless of what the laws are so i think that's just important to kind of remember for sure two things come to mind when you say that one is uh the the news agencies how back in the day and i'm sure you remember too they'd have to have three sources they have to vet their their story with three sources nowadays they're just doing it and putting it out there and then maybe retracting it maybe not they get sued they get sued they'll they'll deal with it then because they're in a rush to get stuff out before facebook does before something before the average person does but that also goes with the law where we've got politicians putting laws forward bills for it i should say to be turned into law and they're like okay well if it's if it's if it doesn't if it's wrong then the supreme court will slap us down or the courts will slap it down on the way up not that it's wrong i know it's wrong and that's why i'm not going to even propose this bill it's like well i'll propose the bill if we make it through and it's law at least it'll be law and we'll curve you know uh the crime or whatever which is a bunch of hogwash because they're real bad about kicking the can down the road yeah i mean that's what it comes down to like they they are habitual can kickers and once it's law chances of it ever being taken out a lot and repealed or you know pulled is almost nil i mean you barely ever see that i mean nunchucks were illegal since 1974 in new york state because of because of bruce lee they thought you know people are gonna go out and do stuff so they just banned it because bruce lee was making them a common household thing 2018 it was finally just repealed and pulled out of new york law in 2018 that many years like 40 years right we know what's funny is look how easy it is for a law to get passed right and look how difficult it is to get a law removed and and that's one of the very ambiguous and draconian issues that faces our country right now in terms of i understand that there's a big paradigm of people who do not support law enforcement there's a lot there's a huge paradigm people they're very frustrated about the way things are going on and i think the most important thing to remember at the end of the day is that we have all these laws on the books and you know here you are a law enforcement officer having to make the decision of well my job to enforce the law well god dang all these freaking laws you know so the the advocate the answer always seems to be well let's just pass more laws pass more laws pass more laws pass more laws but really the more laws you add to the pool the larger the potential for abuse and the potential for tyranny becomes but also not only the potential for abuse but just the downright honest misapplication of the way those laws are applied i mean police are not perfect right police are human beings just like anyone else and we all make mistakes we're not robots okay we don't we don't just go you know we're not robocop and you look at and analyze it and then it just tells you what the outcome is going to be and that's it like we don't have that luxury in life right right so it's not an easy situation it's it so these people that say well we're gonna defund the police we're gonna do this and that i mean that's not reality right right like when you you want to define the police you don't really want to fund the police you just don't want the law to apply to you in very specific ways yeah and that's normal right like think about i think where a lot of people are at right now and and all of that and i think it does have to do with us traveling with guns right yeah we'll get back to that we'll get back to that but it is related because i think that people generally just don't want to be treated like they're a part of a nanny state for sure right so it's like i think people will generally can come come to the table and agree yeah you shouldn't rape people and kill people you know murder's wrong and you know there's all these very specific very terrible things that society generally agrees hey this this isn't this isn't cool right right but it gets to a point where it's like okay you have to kind of get the idea that if there's 50 states and all of them have all of these very different rules in terms of how they handle guns you almost get the vibe okay or the feeling as a person who is just trying to go about in their freedom in liberty and be happy that the system is sort of set up to purposely entrap you and that it is so ambiguous and so you know odd and and different and varied in in the way that it's treated not only from an enforcement standpoint but just from a way the laws are written period one can almost kind of think well you know this is confusing for me as a citizen who has to travel through all these places imagine how confusing it is to law enforcement oh you're from what state huh crap let me look this uh like you know you've got a when it's it's so bad that you got to have a hand manual to kind of keep right track of it all it's like and then updates every year yeah and updates i mean so that's actually a good segue into something that i tell my students and i'll tell my students to make a copy of 926a of the federal law interstate transportation have that with you if you travel outside of your state have that piece of paper that section of the law on you so that way if you approach law enforcement or law enforcement approaches you and they're and they start questioning why you're in my state with a gun um at least you have the law to back it up and i'm not saying hey what are you too stupid you don't know what you're talking about you just got out of the academy you're too green no that's it's dumb way for you to approach it with law enforcement but you can say officer i can understand there's so many laws across the country and i mean i i mean i commend you for your job and and i'd hate to have to know all the laws and i can understand how this one you know most people aren't familiar with and then you hand it to them and then that way at least you're educating them in a positive way without being you know condescending or anything to that extent so 926a the federal law covers driving through states still have to abide by what you can and can't have in that state but you're allowed to if you don't have a pistol license travel from point a to point b so for example i'll use new york as an example i live in new york north carolina accepts new york's pistol license there's about 22 states that accepts new york's pistol license believe it or not but new york doesn't accept any other state's pistol license yeah you can believe that for sure um so driving from new york to north carolina uh fully legal as long as during that interstate transportation over state borders uh you don't because the law doesn't say 926 says the federal law doesn't say anything about stopping for gas stopping go to the bathroom stopping to eat right stopping to spend the night doesn't say anything about that so if you do stop and do one of those things it would be common sense for the reasonable person to do and something happens your gun gets stolen you get in some kind of altercation and you use that gun in self-defense in that state you're not even supposed to have the gun in for defense use only for transportation use well then you could have some problems so that's why i tell people if you're going through a state that you cannot have that gun legally in it for self-defense for anything other than transporting it through the state then you need to make sure you follow 926a which says unloaded for this part back from the driver ammunition has to be separate those things which is listed in that law i think that a lot of people tend to you know undervalue and everything like we talked earlier about verbal judo and i i i believe very strongly in verbal judo and i think that that can come in a lot of different forms right you can now i don't want to get into like the whole discussion about you know hey maybe being able to use your verbal judo to get out of a potentially bad situation like let's just say with an adversary we're not going to go there but verbal judo is also a thing when you're dealing with law enforcement so it's like if you're on the side of the road that's not the time to play lawyer right the best way to treat a situation is to is to say hey here's some humans here like i'm a person they're a person they they they go about their day just you know in the way that they're going to go about it however they need to go about it and it's just important to remember like i think i mean it's not exactly you know a mystery that i i'm not always 100 percent 110 percent like pro police in every every single way but it doesn't mean i don't have to be pro police to not be a dirt bag of a person so like if i'm on the side of the road and and i'm being asked a question or if if i need clarification it could be a two-way street like maybe it's something i don't know and i want to know or they need information and they're relying on me for that information it could be a simple exchange just as easy as all right i got pulled over for speeding and it's just a simple exchange doesn't require a whole bunch of bull crap it's just it's an exchange but i think that people tend to forget that you can actually you can you can do a lot better by just by just not being a dirtbag person to begin with like like you know what i mean like it's how you handle a situation not necessarily whether whether or not you're right or wrong may actually be somewhat irrelevant depending on how you handle the situation so yeah you might have got pulled over for speeding or you might have got pulled over for your taillight being out or some type of random moving violation that was some reason for them to pull you over and let's say the conversation came up uh where are you traveling with guns the way you answer that and the way you handle that could could very well determine which direction that conversation goes and look if the initial conversation was about a headlight being out or a or a speeding ticket and and that was handled cool and then that the situation just happened to segue into a discussion about guns they're going to be a lot more willing to work with you and and do the right thing if the previous little issue was handled in a very professional and straightforward way well yeah that's a good point you set headlight out because when i got here last night i had a headlight out didn't even know it fifteen and a half hour drive didn't even know my headlight was out so easily get pulled over for something like that or a taillight like you alluded to and a lot of people i mean there's situations where somebody gets pulled over and they automatically assume they're being you know profiled or they're being harassed or something and i caution people to think through the sense that that officer typically is not going to be doing that the major majority of the time their goal is to catch bad guys um and if they're pulling you over they might be pulling over because it's a safety thing you got a headlight out so it could be something as minimal as that and usually it's a fix-it ticket get it fixed within 24 hours and the ticket goes away it's not even anything that they're gonna you're gonna be charged with or have to do other thing obviously get the headlight fixed yeah very rarely have i ever had a policeman write me some type of a ticket over something like a headlight or something like that or t or blinker or whatever they just say hey fix it like just just want to let you know and that makes sense right it's safety right you don't want to be driving home and and you know someone didn't see your turn signal or see your brake light and then you get into collision so yeah i mean that's a reasonable reasonable uh request right so then you you have that headlight out let's say it's a bad guy somebody who just robbed a bank or somebody who has done something bad they got a warrant for the rest for something felonious right some felony and then they pull them over for that or they pull up and then they they see that they've got somebody somebody's in the trunk and you hear pounding in the trunk let me out let me out wouldn't you want that officer pulling that person over the headlight right out i mean so if it's something minuscule and they are pulling you over for it even if it's improper lane change you're speeding you're going one mile per hour over the speed limit technically you're breaking the law so therefore if they pull you over and it's a short inconvenience and you're on your way you don't get a ticket but if the next person they pull over short inconvenience turns out to be somebody who kidnapped a kid and they're on amber alert wouldn't you want them stopping that person so that's how i try to look at things when it comes to people you know wow they just they were just harassing me well were they really i mean they were doing their job i mean so just in major majority i say because there are bad people in every profession there's people that that push their power or do wrong things in every profession that's out there but i like to try to think the better for everybody so don't come off with a bad attitude like oh they're just no look at it that way if you look at it that way in a positive or like hey thanks for letting me know my headlight was out then i think that we can all be a better society by you know being in the positive versus just starting off on a negative i agree and i think that part of the of the approach as well is that okay like a gun owner for instance if if you're a person that owns a firearm and let's say that um something bad happens with a firearm whether it's uh you know you turn on the news and there was a shooting or something right some criminal activity occurred involving a firearm you don't want society to look at you and say well because you own a gun you're why this stuff happens and then to place the blame on you simply for being a gun owner all right so how many gun owners are there that are out there just living their life doing what they need to do and being happy and and not hurting us all versus the ones that actually do commit crimes with guns so the same can be said that police are a microcosm of society just like anyone else would so it's not fair to judge gun owners for what one gun owner does just like it's not completely 100 fair to say oh well because one cop had a bad shoot or did something wrong they're all all of a sudden bad true i think that the way a lot of people tend to approach it i mean i think i'm kind of in this ballpark is like yeah you know yeah i'm not going to give someone necessarily benefit of the doubt and assume that that the position of what they're trying to accomplish comes precisely from a good place all the time because it's it's quite well known that just like if police are in general a microcosm of society then we know that there are also people in our society that hate guns that love guns that are you know pro law enforcement anti-law enforcement pro uh you know military anti-military and anything in between or you might have a police officer because police are a microcosm of society and and all people from all walks of life become police officers so just like i wouldn't go out into society at large and say well because this person looks like me or because this person looks to me like maybe they could be the same kind of guy i am and like maybe we could get along i'm not going to just roll out the red carpet of that person and assume that just because they meet some very petty and indistinctive set of circumstances that they're my friend and and i think that that's the way you kind of have to look at it because it's a microcosm of society and laws are the same ways like think about a state new york is probably a good example i mean for you especially you live in new york for sure but think about a state that has very anti-gun laws and you think man like why don't the people that live there you know like complain about it and and try to get the the laws changed so one has to assume that like well if the laws are the way they are in this particular area then that that is a representation of what the people want in that area now we're also led to believe and i believe totally this is true right i do believe this objectively to be true is that there are places where laws get passed that you you certainly have to think well there's no way that they actually you know listen to what the people really want in regards to this they just acted in a very tyrannical way and passed the law just because they could just because they knew they could get away with it under the guise of assuming that it's what people want a lot of times laws are passed not because it's what people want but it's because it's what politicians want true and they go oh well we're passing this in the guise of public safety yeah your safety like they're worried like they're passing a law in the hopes that it will keep them a little bit safer and and a lot of situations they don't really honestly necessarily care about what what is right for the people or even what the people want because if the will of the people was factored in in a much more distinctive way the law probably wouldn't exist to begin with in fact many laws wouldn't exist to begin with very true yeah and then that will of the people as well if the people don't support it then they'll vote us out next time and we see that happen a lot too in the country right or they say well if you know if it's if it's against uh what the uh you know the will of the people in the sense then we'll it'll go to the supreme court the supreme court will strike it down and i think a lot of politicians yeah you know go on that mindset you know that's kind of like well you know let me uh you know let me drive down this road doing uh you know zigzagging and if i get by a car then you know that's the that's the will of the traffic it's just like random like yeah it's crazy it's russian roulette let's circle let's circle back around to the other aspect if people are gonna travel with a firearm um and that would be flying so uh the 926a the federal law covers you if you're if interest rate transporting in a vehicle uh if you were to fly some people i've heard people say well you can't fly with a handgun well no you can fly with a handgun you can fly with a shotgun rifle right long guns um there's guns yeah suppressors yeah right um once again knowing where you're coming from and where you're going to and what the laws are there is important so for instance if you're you know if you're in uh you know in california and you are that's bad bad example north carolina we'll go back to that one or here even and you're going to fly from here to new york but on the way to new york you land in new jersey and or they say the plane something happened with the plane and you're going to have to get a hotel we'll pay for your hotel we'll pay for a vehicle to get you there we'll pay for your food just go here come back in the morning we'll have a different flight for you to take from here up to new york or wherever you're going um well the second you touch those guns in new jersey you're breaking the law because unless you're law enforcement you do not have a license to have a pistol license in new jersey if you're from north carolina or georgia right same with new york in that sense so if that's the case then you need to let tsa know say listen i can't take my luggage because if i take my luggage i'm in possession of firearms and that's illegal in the state please get local authorities please get you know port authority if it's new york city et cetera involved so that way you're not breaking the law you got to let them be aware of that's one thing i've seen happen um with people and you would think that the you know that the airlines would have a little bit more you know you would totally think that that would be a lot more awareness on that you think that would be a logical thing for them to do but unfortunately sometimes you know that is one thing carrying the firearm you have to kind of be aware of and be be cognizant of if you get your plane gets derailed or you get put off and you're in a location where you cannot have the guns you need to make sure you do not take possession of them now the negative of that is tsa handles it differently sometimes your luggage with your firearms will end up on the carousel sometimes they'll make you go to the office and show an id or show the receipt sometimes they'll say okay what's your name you know matt mallory and then they'll be okay and they just give you like you don't want to see an id no you're good okay so you mean the person in line behind me where i show the t that i showed the agent at the airline that the gun was you know i showed the gun here it is i signed the paper i put it in there i stay i say my name the person behind me here's that they rush to the carousel or they rush to that office before i get off my plane they could stay on me and take my guns i mean i'm thinking like a criminal in that sense and and i'm sure that that has happened or has maybe been close to happening across the country um so that's another point i get is once you get to your destination get off that plane don't stop then go to the bathroom get straight to where your guns are whether it's on the carousel or it's in that office and make sure you take possession of them and then go do what you got to do go to the bathroom take your luggage and your guns into the stall with you so that you do not lose possession of those firearms 100 that's going to be a bad situation you're absolutely correct and um so i don't really fly that much anymore but i i usually i used to fly delta quite a bit and uh yeah i kind of like the process but so basically just to give you a real brief you know synopsis of how it works like when you're trying to fly with a gun basically you you have to have a tsa approved lockable container with a tsa approved lock and usually if you go on the website of the tsa and or the airline they'll show examples and photos and give you you know some pretty good you know data on what to go on but you you go up to the counter and say hey i've got a declare firearm and they'll open it up and sometimes they want to you know want you to show they're unloaded which i personally think handling guns is a terrible idea you know you're way past that like some of them i i think handling the guns is a bad idea but some of them should go oh we want to see it's unloaded and they shouldn't even ask you that no they don't and they don't have to because that card you sign you're declaring they're unloaded i'm verifying so you sign a little card saying yes these guns are unloaded you put it in there you uh you lock it up whatever there's a tsa drop off you have to go to so you you here's the weird part so you declared it you checked it all right they said you know you signed the thing saying it's not loaded but then all right the person that tag that tagged them for you you leave them and roll it wherever over to the tsa to drop it off and sometimes it's a few you know a couple of hundred yards or two or three hundred yards down the down the jet way there that you've got to go and drop it off depending on where the tsa is at and then you give it to them and they put it on a freaking conveyor and that's it you don't see it until you get back so it goes in the belly of the plane but like matt said where the confusion always comes down to is where it winds up i mean i've i've showed up to my destination before and and i've seen a pelican case uh right there on the carousel and i'm thinking i wonder what's in there well but but i'm thinking anyone could grab it and i mean we're talking like machine guns suppressors thermals i mean like when we're traveling to go hunt somewhere and i'm taking thermals to like do some you know nighttime hog hunting somewhere out of state or whatever i mean you're talking 25 000 worth of crap in a case i mean not only the the fiscal irresponsibility of hey they could lose a 25 000 pelican case but also i mean okay what what if what if some very terrible horrible dangerous person takes that case and cracks up and they're like all right well i've got machine guns now now from what i understand the the airlines have gotten much better about you know not putting those things out on the on the carousel sometimes they they screw up and they do it but there's usually like when you get your destination like matt said there's usually like a desk you have to go to like a service desk for bulk items and you go hey i'm here to i'm here to get my bulk items and then they'll you know of course they'll ask for the ticket or your name or whatever at that point i've even but don't always assume that they're gonna that it's gonna not go on the carousel yeah get off your plane and book it to the carousel and make sure you get there before the stuff starts coming out do not play around because if your guns wind up on the carousel they're free game anyone could grab it it's not like anybody's going to check and that's scary yeah it is and i've actually had it where uh back in the day they used to put a red tag in there that would save firearms and they stopped doing that because it's like you know beacon for steal me steal me steal me so they stopped doing that but recently a year ago i think or so i flew flew back into syracuse and i walk up and i'm waiting in the looking in the office there i'm not seeing anything not seeing anything and i'm also watching the carousel and lo and behold my luggage comes out with that red tags you know it's it's a red tag it doesn't say firearms but it's it's a red tag that's like a sensitive item and it was not in the office it was on the carousel and i took a picture of him posted on facebook i'm like well look at the stuff there you know this what happened here yeah um so yeah i mean it's a it's an employee of the airport that's taking the stuff off and maybe they're hurrying you know mistakes happen etc so you just be diligent about that to make sure you get hands on it now another maybe somebody was just traveling with their brooms that's all yeah it's a 60 60-inch pelican case and it's like well this person must really care about their mops and brooms or i don't know or their fishing poles you know so there's there's two aspects to uh to carrying you had alluded to a case that's tsa approved um and it can't be a soft sided case so it has to be a hard sided case metal or plastic hard plastic rigid plastic um they can't open it and put their hand in and touch if they put their hand in and touch any firearm even if they can't get the gun out if they can put their finger on a firearm in there then then they won't let you fly with it i've had that happen where i've had longer shanked locks and the locks go through the hole and they unlocked it and they were able to open it and reach in and touch it now that when i did that that was an airsoft gun and they're like oh you can't fly with this i'm like i don't even have to declare it and they're like no no you do i'm like no i don't have to declare it so technically it doesn't have to be locked and i had to get like two or three levels of management involved and they researched it and it delayed my time and i've got a badge so i felt a little more comfortable about communicating with them in that level i usually tell my students don't argue just make sure that you go there ahead of time if you're going to bring anything that looks like a firearm because most of them don't even know what a firearm looks like or how it functions that's why they tell you to show it's unloaded when they don't have to they don't know there's so much inconsistency between the employees there some will tell you to show that it's unloaded and they're they don't have to and actually it's a level of safety in my mind i'm like you had said eric um so usually i say do as long as it's to some level of okay i'm just gonna do what they say so that i don't have to mess with the hassle like they ask me to show it's unloaded i'll show them it's unloaded um now if i got 15 guns and i'm in a hurry and i want to press it i'm like okay is it going to be faster for me to show them it's unloaded or is going to be fast for me to be the manager involved through them to override this person in front of that's right so i got to kind of weigh it based on how my schedule is going that day but i know what it is but that doesn't mean i need to be belligerent about it or be upset about it i'll just be all right they don't know and then after i'm done and i've applied or you know complied with what they want i might educate them be like hey just you know i don't have to show you they're unloaded but you know not being difficult because i don't want you to not not let me on the plane and then they usually laugh you know and then and i'll just let them know you don't i don't have to show you their unloaded that's what the cards for but i just want to let you know check check that because i want you know i want to make sure that you're doing everything right and you don't get in trouble sure you know and you know i've i've actually wound up um in a couple of situations before at the airport where i've gone to declare guns and of course the checkout clerk that is you know helping me out with the with declaring the firearms is like oh i watch the channel you know where are you all going like i've had i've had a few people go what are you bringing that's right and they want to see what you you know and i always try to be you know nice and if they ask me questions like yeah that's a blah blah blah like i'll tell them but i have had a few of them you know recognize us and be like oh where are y'all going y'all going hunting or that's always what they ask are you going hunting somewhere you know but it's just funny that you know sometimes you will get the occasional employee at you know whether it's tsa i've even had tsa people go oh hey you know like know who i am right so anyway without without going too far on that rabbit hole yes you can fly with guns yes you can travel with guns there are a lot of confusing things out there and it's important to you know try to stay abreast as much as you can about you know what the different laws are in the states that you're going to travel through and what your destination most importantly your destination state for sure and everything like that so it is important to make sure you're on top of all of that um but be careful you know when you're looking at information on the internet let's say that you know you might see some concealed carry page that lists like has a list of 50 states and then it tells you you know a lot of the stuff make sure all of that all of that information is is up to date because it it's not uncommon for that those websites to not get updated as often and you might be looking at some old data right the way it may not be applied anymore and the way i tell people is have a few sources like the old newspapers right supposed to vet three sources have like two or three websites that you can go to and verify that it all matches if all three websites have the same exact data then you're probably pretty safe that they've all you know they all can't be wrong i mean they could be but the likelihood's less um but if you find inconsistency let's say two of them say that you can bring the gun from the state that they recognize the pissed license but this third website says that it doesn't well where they get that data from is from the state like florida it's from the ag ag right agricultural other states most states it's the attorney general so go to the state's website go right to the horse's mouth the one that's the chief law enforcement officer for that state which is usually the ag and then look at the aeg's website and see what they say and and that's where that's where they're getting the data from is from that that agency at the state level that dictates what you know what's been written into law sure vet it there you know you could also if you really wanted to let's say that i don't know there's some popular kerry website that lists the laws or something like that and let's say you've done your due diligence and you've looked up as much information as you can and you've come to the conclusion well all right this is what i'm going to use as my information to to you know decide how i'm going to travel print it out print the page out and take it with you so all right you're pulled over by law enforcement and they go well you shimmed when you should have shamed but at least you can say well look i mean i tried to do the best of my ability to do my due diligence in here this is what this is what i saw okay and if it's wrong at least they can say okay well this is what the law is this is educate you on on what what this is but they definitely can't say that you didn't at least try right again it goes back to intent it's like they can't at that point say that your intention was to break some law no your intention was to try to follow the law so you don't get into trouble so sometimes having some supporting documents whether you printed it off on the ag's website or on the state website whatever it took i mean i'll be honest the way i kind of treat all of this when i'm traveling i just i just go where i need to go i mean i i generally don't make a big deal about it i kind of always go well i mean i'm going to obviously look at at what those states laws are if there's something really re especially with carrying a gun traveling with a gun i tend to not really worry about it that much i just put whatever i'm taking in the case and i put blocks on it or whatever and it's there and then i usually have my travel guns that stay out of the case but it just depends on where i'm going i mean i did end up getting one of those virginia permits and it before they changed the they changed the rules and they made it to where out of state people couldn't get the virginia permit quite as well in virginia their permit is good in a lot of states like 39 states so that's one way you can kind of get around it is to have whatever permit is in your home state and then if you can get a virginia permit it's like yeah dude it really it gives you a lot for sure yeah the utah and florida are the two that i i do in my i teach in my multi-state class uh and usually for new york at least and every state's a little different as far as where their license is except in other states texas is a good one pennsylvania's a good one so residents of texas pennsylvania georgia virginia they have a lot because they're very pro-gun states uh when you're in new york there's like like i said like 22 other states that accept new york's and then if you add utah and florida you're at like 37 total so sure you know but um you mentioned something earlier as far as the tsa looking at it one other thing that advice i give people is once you once that firearm whether it's a small case like one gun in your luggage um is locked up in your luggage or you've got a separate case with multiple guns or even a separate box that's big enough to go on its own as a carry as a check bag once it's turned over to tsa for them to x-ray it because they'll x-ray it i usually wait like 10-15 minutes and i ask the agent there to verify and give me a thumbs up that everything's okay and the reason i do that is because if they can't x-ray through that case to see what's in it then they're going to want to come out to you and ask you to open it because by the way it says you're the only one supposed to have the the key to get into it so if that's the case it's not a tsa if it's not a tsa approved lock and they can't open it with their handy-dandy multi-faceted skeleton key then they're going to ask you for the lock or ask you to give them the key to unlock it which they shouldn't they should bring the box to you or bring you to the box but usually they don't um and i've had that happen once in syracuse where they couldn't x-ray because it was such a heavy thick case box that the x-rays wouldn't see through it so they came out they're like well we need the key i'm like wait you can't have the key it's i'm the only one supposed to have the key and they're like yeah but we need the key to get inside of it and make sure there's nothing bad in there i'm like okay well then bring the box to me well we can't do that like well then bring me to the box well like we can't do that it's a secure area i was like so we're in a conundrum here because you're telling me to break federal law and give you the key to my box when right you can't x-ray through it and then he came out and said well you know he got a manager manager came out with some paperwork well we've got a local uh order that says you can you can give us the key and like that doesn't trump federal law i'm like so what do we do here well it'll all be on camera and like so what if i don't give you the key well then we got to give you your luggage back so you can leave so you can give me my luggage yeah you know i was like so you just told me you couldn't bring it out for me to open it to show you what's in it but yeah you can give it to me to leave yeah so i gave him i was like fine i gave him the key you know begrudgingly but um so just be aware of stuff like that sometimes they're going to ask you to do things that don't make sense that are not right um but at some point it's kind of like you're either going to be difficult they're not going to let you fly or you might not fly because it's going to take so long to go through the process that you miss your flight so yeah you're kind of in a i would always suggest that if you're going to fly with guns you need to get at the airport at least a couple of hours early i mean i know it sucks but that's just the reality of flying with guns for sure so i think in all of this that covers it pretty well you know we wanted to kind of go down the rabbit hole of like what it's like to travel with guns because there's a lot of confusion and mainly i want to go over so much detail i know this was a long gun gripe but i wanted to go over a lot of detail and get into the into the minutia of some of this because i know we have a lot of new gun owners and look when you're new to guns it's not always the cool thing to be like oh well let me start you up on what the laws are you know the the characteristic many of us have is i'm a gun owner you know and they want to go out and train and and shoot i mean and obviously heck yes of course being a gun owner yeah have fun with your gun and exercise you're right but like those those sort of like i guess responsibilities that we have uh would definitely come down to understanding like what can and will happen to you if you don't do the right thing when you're traveling with firearms so for sure keep that in the back of your mind and i would say in all of my travels i i'm i can't necessarily say i've ever had a real major issue while i'm out on the road and i've gone through various states with guns no problem now is that just to say that i ran into the right people and none of them gave me a hard time or that i wasn't drawing attention myself and didn't get pulled over for some stupid reason okay what were the the end-all do-all situations that cause me to not have an issue well i can't necessarily say i know know what those reasons are but i can say that i've never really had too much of an issue traveling with guns i mean use common sense right if it feels right it's probably right if it doesn't feel right it's probably not right do your due diligence see where you're traveling through see where your destination is do your best to adhere to whatever those laws are so you don't run into a problem and don't draw attention to yourself very true like you know don't be that the you know don't be the mouse that the cat's gonna jump out and grab like just stay to yourself be simple and just go to your destination and do your thing and one and one real last quick thing uh with law enforcement don't fight them on the street right they're gonna win they got a they got a posse that'll come to their aid if you're you know being belligerent and whatnot if you don't agree with what's going on then take it take it in court go to court with it right because if even if they're what they're arresting you for or they're charging you with will say uh is wrong and you believe it's wrong and you know it's even wrong and you and they're going to arrest you for it and you willingly don't go with the arrest now you're resisting arrest and therefore that is a charge and that's where other things keep getting added on so people people don't get that like well they're wrong they shouldn't be arresting me well true that might be but because they are arresting you that and you're resisting arrest that is a charge that could stick it might get thrown out might not but it's making it worse don't make it worse just okay officer whatever you say you know get make sure it's on camera your camera there camera and then move forward from that and take it to court and it's going to be better to handle it that way than to get into uh you know let tempers rise you know verbal judo yeah go back to that mindset i think verbal judo is a pretty important policy to have when it comes to this sort of stuff and it it is a two-way street i mean verbal judo comes in the form of the cops being cool and you being cool and you know there's a lot of conjecture and misunderstanding that a lot of people have not only with law enforcement but even even on that two-way street of the way law enforcement engage with civilians so you know i think it's best that people kind of take a step back and be like look you know i'm going to utilize my verbal judo i'm going to be a good human being i'm going to treat this person like i want to be treated and you know what at the end of the day i hope that they have the same sanctity for that type of behavior that i do and maybe they'll recognize that and go you know what this person's not a jerk let's just agree to disagree and move on with life and and most of my encounters with law enforcement have generally been like that i don't patronize anybody i just try to be who i want to be and i try to treat people like i want to be treated does that always work no it may not always work but does it work most of the time yeah it does it certainly does so big thank you to all of our patreon supporters for tuning in to today's gun gripe uh and i appreciate you joining us yes for this particular gripe i know we're going to be cutting some other videos but this was one that was kind of um in our in our minds i'm glad we were able to you know hash it out and i wanted to get some of your perspective on this because you know you do travel with guns a lot and you're a law enforcement officer so you kind of see it from both sides for sure of this situation so too long perspective two links for people to be able to use that okay yeah uscca and concealedcarry.com both of those websites have the travel reciprocity map so that could be useful for people to be able to research to know laws from state to state but once again vetom if the there's inconsistencies if you institute i'll use the ag's office like we talked about earlier sure and before we leave uh here today how can folks find you uh meet the pressers.com so meet the pressers.com and that links to psn ed my training company and clint uh trigger pressures unions uh training company and you're on youtube as well yes meet the pressers on everything so that's the easiest way to at least find out all the socials all the socials outstanding well i appreciate you joining me today and i i really appreciate y'all watching i hope everybody has a great week and understand that what we're trying to do in these conversations is we want to educate people we want you know folks to be safe and happy and we want every everybody no matter who they are and where they're at in life to have the tools at their disposal to defend life and liberty to protect themselves and to be you know good members of society and to travel safely so we hope you understand that was the guise of this discussion so um have yourselves a great day a great week thanks for tuning in many more videos on the way we'll see you soon [Music] you

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