Generations With Travis Houston, Drew Galloway, Caleb Herring

praise the lord everybody um as you're starting to uh get on here i'm very excited about i believe this is session 10 of generations um this started uh in the middle of the pandemic in the shutdown the lord spoke to me about connecting a vast generation of apostolic ministries through exactly that different age groups of apostolic ministers have been represented here for the past 10 sessions and when it started it started with a very familiar passage of scripture acts 2 39 for the promises unto you to all your children to all that are far off even as many as the lord our god shall call and we are very excited tonight to be welcoming uh two guests uh three guests i'm sorry um brother travis houston brother drew galloway and brother caleb herring uh tonight is going to be a very special episode as we dive into a few things um one of the things we'll be diving into is where the church is at and then from there we're really going to be getting on into the role of sonship and uh we're really excited about that as brother travis houston his brother drew galloway and brother caleb herring's pastor and they just joined on here welcome y'all glad you guys could be a part of this tonight thank you very much glad to be here yes sir honor bro thank you yes sir and as i said before this is brother travis houston uh brother drew galloway and brother caleb herring and um if we could just get this started tonight on the right foot which of course is prayer um and uh caleb if you'd open us up with that as we get started here and then uh we'll we'll get to get the ball rolling with some questions let's do it lord we love you we thank you for the burden and the vision that you've given brother morgan we thank you for this hour and for this season that you've got the church in we're asking you right now to help us to lead and direct the church in this hour to a greater dimension we're asking you for revelation for wisdom for understanding we love you and we thank you in jesus name amen amen amen um you know i i like to start this off with this question in particular this is the one i really felt uh when especially when we started this um with with everything that's happening in the world especially right now i feel like it's very pertinent to ask and as in the middle of everything that's taking place where do you feel we as the apostolic church stands and i'm going to direct this question first to brother houston and then i want you all to be interject and discuss from there but brother houston where do you feel we are at as the church right now yeah so when when you say uh the church um i i want to be very clear that uh we're not just talking about people that attend church we're not just talking about people that show up to sunday services we're talking about the true church yes sir and i feel like the true church is in a great place um because right now all of the things that's been going on in 2020 has shown um not only our loyalty to our local assembly but our loyalty to god himself and also our resilience what we're able to actually walk by faith and not by sight through and um what we're seeing on a local level is uh those people that have uh risen to the top they have given they have prayed and the true church is well intact now we did see some people that were on the on the outer fringes and it's not that i'm um dissolving their relationship with the church uh simply because they either fell off they're not coming back or whatever i'm just saying that the true church is um is is well intact is strong and uh probably stronger than ever because this has caused us to to rise to the occasion and be who we say we are so um kind of like uh if you're going to talk to talk you have to walk the walk so 2020 has definitely caused the church to walk the walk so we're in a good spot and um we're resilient we're stronger than ever amen yes sir brother galloway brother harry is there anything you guys would like to add to that drew i think uh pastor said it great you know i'm not a i believe in the church i believe the church is going to uh be okay no matter what circumstances that we're in i do feel like when you study the history of the church the harder it seemed to be on the outside the more the church seemed to thrive uh kind of like the children of israel when the bible says the more they afflicted them the more they grew and so the enemy may think that he can use whatever situations to afflict us uh but i believe the church is just getting stronger getting prepared i believe for the end time harvest that god has for the church so i believe the church is in a great place i believe god is revealing the people that are truly hungry for him and i believe this revealed to a lot of people who had a relationship with just the church assembly the local assembly or those who had a relationship with god because when you were pulled out of the building it revealed of what the foundation was for your relationship and so amidst this pandemic you know i'm not one to believe that god calls it but he certainly allowed it because anything that happens he allows but i do believe he allowed it and it revealed uh to a lot of people what their foundation was and if your foundation is your personal relationship with god you don't necessarily have to have the building although i love being in the building yes i think the church is in a great place we're going to continue to move forward i know they can stop the church because jesus christ is the chief cornerstone and nothing can stop him so i'm excited about the future for the church i'm excited about the present for the church and i know we're in a good spot if we're going to continue to move forward amen yeah obviously i totally agree with every bit of that that's that's incredible um one thing that has already been said by pastor andrew is that uh it has exposed some things in us uh it is it's exposed who had a relationship with the church building and it's exposed who had a relationship with god i think it's safe to say that 2020 maybe wasn't the year of revival that we wanted but it was the year of refining that we needed and god spoke through the prophet and he said i have refined you but not a silver what he was saying was is i have made you more like me not because of judgment that i sent but because of a trial that i've allowed and so i don't believe that god sent everything that's happened in 2020 but i do believe that he has allowed everything that's happened in 2020 yeah to make us more like him and i also feel uh very strongly that we're we are standing face to face with the spirit of antichrist at this point in history more than we ever have and we're we're people of the name and god gave moses a revelation of the name and he said he said go tell pharaoh the i am has said let my people go and when moses went to the court of pharaoh and said the i am is sent me and he said let his people go god hardened the heart of pharaoh and raised up a resistance in pharaoh and moses comes back to god and he says you gave me this revelation of who you are you you gave me a revelation of your name and why am i dealing with so much resistance right now why have you hardened the heart of pharaoh why isn't he letting your people go and god said i had to raise up this resistance in pharaoh to make my name great in all the earth what he was saying was has i had i not raised up the resistance in pharaoh only egypt would have known who i am but because of this resistance to who i am now the world will know who i am and i believe that the reason god is allowing uh the spirit of antichrist to be so rampant in this hour is because he's about to give the world a revelation of who he is amen man amen anything else any of y'all feel on this question before we move forward um one of the things that i i definitely hear in all of your answers is that you feel that there's a revival that is that is not only happening but there's even you know a greater one coming and i think one of the important elements of the revival that we're going to be experiencing is um and that is pastors producing true sons in the gospel to become those those fiery darts launched into the revival um and and one thing that knowing you three that i can commend your pastor and then commend uh drew and caleb on is that um not only has he obviously been a great uh spiritual father but you guys have been great spiritual sons and allowing uh everything to take place to bring you guys to where you're at so one of the main topics that we all felt as i was texting you guys through this was sonship and i guess my question is what do you feel the role of sonship is um and i'll direct this towards drew first and then we can kind of uh go from there but where do you feel the what do you feel the role of sonship is that's a great question and i think uh this is probably one that we're all three extremely passionate about because you know not only is pastor a spiritual father but he is a son to brother story and then obviously caleb and i are both sons and the gospel to him so this is something that we're both very passionate about uh and very thankful for but i think sonship in the spirit mirrors uh sonship and the natural and kind of having a son last wednesday has really kind of opened my eyes to it and what i mean by that you can't be a son if you don't have a father and you can't be a father if you don't have children and paul told the church in corinth he said you may have many instructors but you only have one father and so for me sonship is understanding the blessing of having a spiritual father and i believe a father there are three main things that i believe a father does i have men in my life that may give me advice but i only have one man that gives me direction and that's my father i believe spiritual fathers they give three things they give direction they give correction and they give affection i believe my pastor my father gives me direction paul told the church at corinth later on he said be you followers to me even as i also am of christ one translation says you can imitate me as i imitate christ so he gives me direction but he also gives me correction right now correction isn't as fun as direction but correction is needful and i can tell you if someone is going to be a true son they have to learn how to hear the word no and i promise you i do not have the time to describe how the word no has not only saved my ministry but also my life and i'm not gonna um there's stuff flooding my memory bank right now so yeah that's why the smile yeah we all three know about the no's uh you know the yeses are great the yes hey yes to what god's doing but also there's there's no's and there's rebukes and there's correction so while he gives me direction he also gives me correction but the last thing i think is so important is a father gives affection a father models the love of christ to us and so when i got into the church in 2010 i received the holy ghost in july of 2010 i didn't know how to live for god i was a new convert i read the bible i prayed but the way that i learned how to live for god is i watched his life and i modeled my life after that i followed him and the reason i could trust following him is because i knew he was following god and so i would follow him in 2016 when i got married i didn't know how to be a husband my mom and father were never married i've never seen a healthy marriage in operation i didn't know how to be a husband but i've been around him and sister houston enough that i modeled my marriage after theirs they have a godly marriage he told me how to be a husband as i said last week i became a father i don't know how to be a father but i can take what he's taught me and i can apply that to my life so i believe the role of a sonship is understanding it's a blessing to have a spiritual father and he's going to give me direction he's going to give me correction and he's going to give me affection and that doesn't change just because i'm getting older that doesn't change just because our lives are evolving well i was 19 when we first started our relationship i'm 29 now soon to be 30 but i value being a son more now than i did when i was 19 because i realize how important it is but also how much of a blessing it is to have a spiritual father amen absolutely and if i could if i could tag on to those three things that drew just listed uh if i could add a fourth i would say protection um because sometimes no might seem like correction but it's really just protection uh even this year i've been evangelizing for four years full time now and even even now to this day he tells me no he's got veto power in my life i have drew quoted it you know you might have many instructors but you only have one father um he is he is my spiritual father he is drew's spiritual father and even this year uh you know before the pandemic i received an invitation and i just i felt the check in my spirit about it and i called him and i said i said pastor if you want me to go i'll go but if you don't feel right about it i won't go and he didn't feel right about it and it wasn't a time of correction it was a time of protection yeah he was just trying to prevent me from a train wreck and i've heard countless terms but it's important to to know the difference sometimes when you hear no is it for correction or is it for protection yeah and just about every time that it's for correction it is also for protection he's trying to save you from just ruining your life and uh we talk a lot about mantles in our movement and and i i believe in them 100 but the mantle is not what gives the power it's catching the man of god's spirit who wore the mantle um you know i hear people talk about i want so and so dismantle well i don't have any bible where anybody got the mantle of a man that they did not serve personally so sonship is is more than just saying that's my pastor you start operating in the anointing of sonship when you catch the man of god's spirit because there's there's power in proximity he always told me he said you can be as close to me as you want to be but if you can't handle my flaws you need to disconnect and you need to distance yourself because he understood i'm still a man and you're going to be close enough to see to me to see my flaws to see my insufficiencies but in being close enough to see his flaws and his insufficiencies you become close enough to connect to his spirit and that's what sonship is that's that was the whole uh man you can you can we can go forever on this between us three um that that was the whole the whole issue between jacob and esau um jacob wanted the birthright and he also wanted the blessing well what was the difference between the birthright and the blessing the birthright was about his position to the father but the blessing was about his possession from the father the birthright was about relationship but the blessing was about reward birthright was about identity the blessing was about inheritance and so by law whatever son had the birthright by law would receive a double portion blessing from the father well esau forfeited his birthright but he still expected a blessing so that was the whole issue there is because if you forfeit your position to the father you forfeit your your your possession from the father amen and so sonship is about it's about relationship you've got to be close enough and so whenever elisha whenever elijah said what do you want from me elisha was referencing that that law that the son with the birthright gets the double portion he said i want a double portion of your blessing or i want a double portion of your spirit rather and what did a what what did elijah say he said if you want a double portion of my spirit you got to be there yeah you got to be close enough to me that's the power of proximity when you're close enough to the man of god to have a position to him that determines your possession from him and so you know a lot of people want double portion of the man of god's spirit but they don't want to stay close enough to him to get i know that drew as well that is that is the highest honor you know when elisha went before the kings he wasn't known for his prophetic ministry to those kings they said here is elisha which poured water on the hands of elijah and so you know if i could describe sonship in any way it's it's connecting to the man of god's spirit in such a way that that you even start acting like him you know i i've i've said many times to pastor that i'm i'm more houston than i am herring you know drew is more houston than he is galloway it's it's not because we are genetically his sons but when elijah was carried away he cried my father my father it wasn't that he was genetically his father it's that he was so connected to the man of god's spirit that it's like he was his father right so drew and i have been close enough we have we have seen the the revelation of the power of proximity that if you don't forfeit your position to the father you can bank on having a possession from the father and that's a double portion of his spirit if i can uh tag on to to both of them uh and i know i know we're live and and there's a lot of people watching now that'll watch later and and there there's some sensitive subjects here that um that i can go into and and still maintain uh the respect of both drew's stepfather and also caleb's natural father and i don't want to i don't want to take away nor demean either one of those but there was a time where i saw not only needs that had to be met spiritually but needs that had to be met naturally as well so uh when when caleb first came to me i i i want to say i i got caleb when he was 15. and um when i say i got him uh he came pursuing something from me and i came pursuing something from him and that was uh in 2009 and easter of 2009 is when his family uh became reacquainted with our church but then also i became acquainted with him and um so the role of a father uh i'm i and again i want to be sensitive i want to be respectful caleb does have um a a biological father that that taught him the necessities of life um uh how to how to carry himself in certain ways and you know i don't downplay that at all we me and caleb's natural father we communicate on a regular basis and i never sought to replace that and still to this day don't um but there were certain things that if caleb was going to to be a preacher to be a minister to be an evangelist there were certain things that um i was able to offer that his natural father couldn't and um what i told him early on was it's not my responsibility to fill you up with what you need it's it's your responsibility to be there when i'm pouring out and um he did and to the point where sometimes i would have to say all right bud you you got to go you you got to go home you got to leave me alone yeah and and that's the kind of tenacity that if you're a young minister and you're listening to this um you've got to be like the woman that that wanted an answer from jesus that that wouldn't would go away you know i'll take the crumbs if all you're giving is crumbs right now you know i'll i'll take it um there would be times where uh and i'll get to drew here in a minute but i'm i'm on the subject of caleb right now there would be times where i would say okay i've got to go i got to get up early in the morning and um he said well where are you going and and i said well i got to be at the hospital at 5 30 6 o'clock for a surgery and and he said well let look let me drive you i'll drive you i'll be what time do i need to be at your house and um so i'd say all right beer 5 30 and he'd be sitting in my driveway at 5 15 and um drive me to the hospital we we'd go in and it wasn't that i couldn't drive myself it was a time of uh proximity and bedside manner and then uh um there'd be times he would caleb would show up and um i would say you know everything from uh you know you talk about correction um i would say you know did you hang your shirt in the floor yeah and not only doing that um i might i might point out things that that were uh that weren't correct but in in doing so i would also show the solution you remember the time caleb that i showed you how to iron a shirt i do all right so you probably still do it the same way um in in in pointing out the flaws i would also provide the solution on how to correct the flaw um if if uh i'm i'm big on shoe shining um and and if if you if you showed up and it looked like you played soccer in your dress shoes before you you came to church not only would i just point down and say uh hey you know you need to you need to take care of that i would say okay be at my house and at such and such time uh bring two pair of shoes and and i would show you how to do that so that there there's not only uh just the spiritual aspect of this uh there's also uh the the real world side of this too so uh when when proximity happens um there's also tangibles in in life that took place as well so um there there's not only the the spiritual side of it of this is how you build a sermon and this is how you greet a crowd this is how you uh handle a congregation this is how you have a demeanor behind a pulpit there's also the side of it of you know you don't want to um just have the spiritual side of it you want to have the the real world the physical side of it as well because if you stand behind the pulpit and um you know your shirt's wrinkled and your your shoes aren't shined and um you've got threads hanging off of you and uh you you look a mess people might say that uh you know he he might sound like the part but he's not really put together they put the they put both of them uh akin to each other and drew when he first came um i know y'all probably can't picture this today but i mean it was it was like red jordans and uh red skinny jeans and and wearing scarves with t-shirts and stuff and um so uh we had to do some refining there had to be there had to be some some teachings there and um i remember one thing my pastor told me way early on as he said um if if you're going to be a preacher it's it's 24 7. that you don't get a break and and that's what i've drilled into caleb and drew you you don't you don't get a break this is this is all the time this is 24 7. we wake up in the morning we we think about preaching we might be doing something else for the day but we're still thinking about preaching and and we're still uh putting sermons together there's a sermon in everything because observation revelation okay so uh not only did i fulfill a spiritual father role there was also an earthly father role there too so uh these guys can paint these guys can lay floor these guys can do electrical work these guys can plumb these guys can mock they know how to sweep uh they they know how to to do something other than preach but y'all i gave uh caleb a task i said you ever watched a vehicle oh yes sir i got it i said okay uh we'll do it and then i'll be i'll be i'll be out there shortly 30 minutes later he comes back and he says um i got you i got you fixed up i said really really you you did that you did that in 30 minutes and i came back out and i promise you it was he washed at it he did he didn't watch it he watched at the truck i said well let me and then about two and a half hours later after uh after i showed him how to properly do it same thing went through after i showed them how to properly do it now i'm seeing them pass down what i taught them to some younger guys that are in our our youth group so uh and i got to see it even even last week and this is a funny story um it was my wife's car and uh so uh they they wash it and and it gets done well i called drew and he had me on speakerphone in front of the guys that didn't watch and he said hello and i said yep i can tell you didn't wash it so he's scrambling trying to get me off his speaker phone because he didn't he didn't want those guys feelings to be hurt [Music] so we hang up and then drew says i had to tell those guys look you can't take offense yeah he wants something done he wants it done properly and it's that way across the board if we're going to minister if we're going to clean the church um if we're if we're going to vacuum you know you don't just you don't just pursue ministry or anything with this half-hearted mentality you do it as unto the lord and when you do that um that that's the way that i teach my my gospel sons you you you you don't just you don't just do the things on the surface that everybody sees everything across the board needs to be done with with um with with persistence needs to be done with care it needs to be done with love and um that's one thing that i've tried and i know there's this is a broad topic with me it is absolutely broad and um sometimes and i know y'all watching this y'all don't know what the karate kid is but that was a movie that came out back in the 80s and there are times where with with caleb and drew you know they're sanding the floor their wax on wax off they're painting the fence and they think that man i'm i'm just being this this slave until the moment comes where you realize hey the whole time i was actually learning something yes sir so um next subject will that this is something that that pastor is probably most passionate about so sir you know this is this is incredible to hear him talk about it i'm going to attack one one more thing on here and i know caleb can kind of amen to this but there have been there have been other guys yeah who had the same opportunity as we had but just like you have there's proximity when elijah and elisha were going to cross the bible says the school of the prophets stood far off right for those that center far off can they stand to far off but they don't get to be a part of the miracle but the one who were close got to go to the other side so there is proximity but there's also a process because elijah said you know you stay here and elijah said no i'm going with you but if you study how long of a walk that was that was a long walk it takes commitment and a process to say hey i'm in this for the long haul there were other guys that came around that we that began to i guess start the role of a son but the process got to him because you can't skip the process you can't just think like one day i'm here the next day i'm going to be doing or be doing this there's a process to it even jesus made themselves subject to the process you you know you got to be willing to endure the process and the process includes uh some not so fun days some days where you get rebuked and and you do things that are foolish and one last thing i will say is if you're a young guy and you want to have a relationship with your pastor you have to want to be a son as much as he wants to be a father it can't be a lopsided relationship you got to let him know i want to be invested in as much as you want to invest in me yeah so i'm going to place my vessel where you can pour out because here's the reality you know our church the 300 people he has a lot of people to think about so he don't he always told us out of sight out of mind so caleb and i had to make ourselves available but also we had to let him know that we meant business we were committed we we were going to be uh a son of the gospel no matter how hard it got and so right you know there were days we may be outside we always had this ditch out in the front of the church and that was always the make or break moment we had the weed in it uh you know even though we probably could spray it and the grass would die pastor didn't want it to be sprayed ice always see it so i was going to go the middle of night just pray my pastor didn't want it to be dead it was in front of the person so we had to we did well bro this this is like i mean it's a job bro i mean it's a job to we need this thing is massive it's deep it's huge you can't see but always give the new guys the task go into the ditch i'll never forget the day we walk outside and a guy is laid down next to the weed eater and i said caleb he had a heat shirt he did and i walk out there and i'm like bro what are you doing yeah i can't do it i was like bro you have to do it there's no you you have to finish what you started but he had to call his mom and come get him because he tapped out because that's the not so glamorous side of being a son yeah and everything everything that that i put caleb and drew through i promise you i have been through it yes and and and maybe maybe some some worse maybe some not not so not so bad but uh i always had a close proximity with my pastor and now this is something where again i want to be careful because there there are sensitive areas here that that i don't want uh to come and cause some type of backlash but we we as a a church organization we have tons and tons and tons of of young minister training we we are overloaded with young ministers uh training classes and and you go to seminars and you have zoom meetings like this and and i would probably uh say that that's the majority of who's watching this right now but if you're a pastor and you want young guys to be produced from out from underneath your ministry and your leadership you've got to put yourself in a place of vulnerability where you will allow young guys to be in proximity to you yeah uh they've got to come to your home they need to be in your office and i'm not talking about um i'm not even i'm not talking about a leech this is this is not a leech this is this is an elisha that's trying to learn from you yeah so uh you do have to let them into your home they need to be at your dinner table they need to see your marriage um i remember when when caleb said how do i pray how do i pray and we went into the sanctuary i said well you sit right there and let me show you how how do you study and i was like okay well let's put a message together and um okay let's go somewhere let's just see what god will show us and um so we're in mandeville and we we pull into this parking lot i said make me a sermon right there he's like well what what do you mean i said make me a sermon out of that store right there and and he said i don't know what you're talking about oh okay well here here we are we're at a store and um so i just said well let's let's let's see what we can do with this um the part where david failed the biggest he was um uh he was in his palace he was in his place of of of luxury and decadence when he should have been out on the battlefield right so he sees this woman uh washing herself and he he commits this atrocity of of adultery and then he has her husband killed out on the battlefield and now he's got this child on the way the child is born the child dies well he makes things right with the woman and then she is expecting again and solomon is born so he was in the bed and then when everything came about and he's um making things right the bible says he washes himself and then solomon's born so the store we were at was bed bath and beyond so he was able to go from the bed and then he was able to wash himself and take a bath and then solomon's born and he's able to go beyond so what i try to teach them is there is a sermon in absolutely positively everything and so we're at bed bath and beyond and we made a sermon right there so that's one of those teachable moments that i'm talking about that we have had thousands of them together and and we're able to to do that because of proximity so you've got to let let a young guy they're going to be green and what you're seeing out of caleb and drew um at one time they were they were as green as green could possibly be they didn't know how to wash a vehicle they didn't know how to vacuum they didn't know how to sweep they didn't know how to mop so so it's like let let me show you how to do this and then we'll get to the greater things then it's all right now let me show you how to preach and then after they would preach they would come straight in my office now their grandma thought they hung the moon on the milky way it was just it was the greatest sermon that they had ever heard in their life and at one time caleb even one time and we're fixing to bring something up that he's going to love he would say oh yeah yeah pastor oh you know sunday night when i was up there and i was just tearing it up and i said is that what you call that you were you were tearing it up huh you were screaming so that was one of those let's bring the ego down a little bit yes sir and let me show you that it's not about just screaming behind the pulpit it's about ministering and then um uh drew um i i'm gonna pick on both of them here a little bit and these were actual teachable moments drew would get up behind that pulpit and after every point he would take his tongue and make this 360 around his his lips and i said bud you need to get you some chapstick and you need to use half of the stick before you go up there to preach and that way people is not going to make fun of you now we all have our nuances and we oh we all have our little ticks don't say amen i didn't want to give anybody any extra ammunition to be going hey watch watch when he gets done watch this and then caleb he had this arm twitch and it's okay to twitch your arm if you're preaching and you know you you you do do these little repetitive motions you can do that but you can do them to excess and then i would i would pull up the video and say watch you look like you have this twitch going on so watch yourself while you're behind that pulpit and and to this day um you know i'm i just had my 40th birthday and um there might be little nuances that i have and everybody has mannerisms but you don't want them to be objects that people can make fun of yeah you don't want to say like um i'll give you a friend you ever been in a church service where somebody says um amen after like every third word amen it's good to amen be here amen we want to amen like it's not all of that's not necessary yeah yeah and i'm not i'm not here saying i have a flawless sermon delivery i'm i'm still i'm i'm still working on it but these are the kinds of practical things that that i'm telling you that i've done as as a father in the gospel to them right to get them to the place they are today right right so you know brother houston and after that there kind of leads us into the next question what you were just talking about you know that's where you take them but from there what what would you say to do to produce sons according to their own gifting because you look at drew he's a louisiana youth president and you look at caleb he's he's a very successful evangelist both both are doing well in their own gifting but their giftings are very are different so what what what are things that if there is a pastor listening what's something you would tell them this is something that i would say to help cultivate the young man in his own gifting okay um what i see out of caleb and drew caleb has my pulpit drew has my pastoral if i could and as when i say my i'm talking about the initial influence and then they grew and that was cultivated into what god wanted them to be molded and made into so um i preach more like an evangelist um and then i also um love people and and i want to be uh the the loving pastor shepherd teacher uh that that god has has called me to bogalusa to be right and early on i told caleb i said god can't use you trying to be like me but god can use you when you try to be you okay you don't have to be just like me there's already a me so take take what you what you can and and what you will use but then grow it into something far greater than i could ever even imagine that that i could be and then uh drew we had a we had to come to jesus meeting and i said bud you don't have to be just like me and he's even made the statement that was the greatest day of my life when i found out that if i'm going to be successful in ministry i don't have to be a carbon copy cookie cutter of my pastor amen so drew preaches with a different style mine and caleb's pulpit style are are highly similar and and and that's that's fine and like my son he walks like me um he he has mannerisms like me and he should and today caleb has mannerisms that that uh are similar to mine and and he should i'm his father in the gospel drew still i would say drew has some in the pulpit um but his mannerisms are seen more on the pastoral side right and then drew uh caleb moore on the on the pulpit side so what i told them um when i pour into you it's not for you to to mimic and and be an exact carbon copy of me right it's it's me putting in you the the tangibles and then you and god you take that and you run with it so uh they can interject on that i've been i've been running with the line uh for quite a bit now i'd like to hear them caleb kenko um even though drew um has uh okay so differences in the pulpit between pastor and drew but even still because he's connected to his spirit you can tell who his spiritual father is when he's behind the pulpit and likewise with me even though we are very similar behind the pulpit like he said you have to take it and cultivate it and make it your own even though we are very similar there are still some differences but at the end of the day you don't have any question as to who our spiritual father is because right both of us inside the pulpit and outside the pulpit though there are differences of degrees there is no question as to who our spiritual father is it's just because he poured into us and just as pastor has said we have taken those things and we have we have adjusted them into the way that it works for us because there are things that elisha did that elijah did but he didn't do it exactly the same uh and there were things that elijah did that elisha did that was exactly the same whenever the mantle was passed from elijah to elisha the parting of the river was elijah's final miracle but it was elisha's first miracle but there was a difference same miracle same demonstration but elisha had it was just the way he went about it the differences were there but the outcome was still the same because he caught his spirit and so uh maybe drew can make some more sense of that well i think that's great and i think that's a a great perspective uh from from a father and a son uh i would say to comment on the the statement that pastor made uh the statement that i made to him and that i've made to other young ministers that i've been able to speak to is one of the most liberating days of my ministry is when i realized i didn't have to be pastor houston to be successful because it created this dilemma because our personalities are different our nuances are different and so if i go to the pulpit and i'm trying to be him it created frustration that didn't need to be there because i'm not him yeah and so what one thing i think that pastor did uh is he was able to identify strengths and weaknesses and both of us and help us close the gaps and then he was able to train both of us but never make both of us feel like we had to take the same path right i'm not called to be an evangelist kelly's not called to be a student pastor or youth president one is not greater or lesser than the other they're both needed in the kingdom so what pastor has done a great job of doing i believe is cultivating the gift and imparting to us what we need but also cheering us on to do what we're told to do and if me and caleb were to try to reverse our roles we would be less effective we'd be less efficient and we would be frustrated because we're operating outside of what god has called us to do so i think he's done a great job at championing us uh helping us but also uh you know imparting into both of us even the most practical things i cannot tell you how many times that caleb and i have been at a conference together and someone walked up to us and said pastor houston must be goes faster yeah and we're like yeah and what the reverendson referencing is anyone who knows pastor knows how well-dressed he is yes uh he is important to us that hey iron your shirt center tie up make sure your suit the crease is down the middle make sure your shoes are shining make sure you look like you got just on purpose and so that's a practical thing but also there are nuances in the pulpit i know caleb hears it all the time while traveling i do as well people will come up to me and say man passive use it must be your pastor and i'm like yes sir because there are those similarities but there are also those differences and that's what i think makes it amazing because you see his handprint on caleb's life you see his handprint on my life but yet we're all three different right we're all woven together about that one common denominator that we're all connected spiritually and that's what i think makes it so cool and never one time has there been even even while drew is still here with me and then uh caleb's full-time but while they were both full-time with me there was never any competition at all never never in the pulpit never uh never during the week um first of all i wouldn't have put up with it but that i don't i don't know of any like i don't know no no no i made sure that i was i was fair with pulpit time i didn't want to give one more than the other and and still um and and you know i i just i never saw any any competition that there was never any uh uh one trying to preach better than the other because i told him you don't you're not performance based you're results based right and um uh again and i want to say this uh uh going back to the dressing part um you know i i love um i like looking nice you know that's probably the understatement of the century you know i enjoy i enjoy clothing but but you know the the the suit doesn't make the man the suit doesn't make the preacher you know you can have a guy that's got uh you know the finest uh super 150 suit on and a custom-made shirt but behind the pulpit and ministerially you know he's got no character uh no morals just and just a total loser um so if you're gonna if you're gonna look the part you need to be the part 24 7. and and what um what what you see today is is um a harvest you know and i use harvest uh i guess you know not not loosely you know what i see with with caleb andrew um there's a lot of seed and and there's when they tell you we'd eaten that ditch they didn't just do it once they did it for years um cleaning the church um there's times now uh drew will still be on the end of a vacuum cleaner and he's the he's a youth president he'll be he'll be cleaning a a toilet last before uh his son was born last week i mean we were out uh we were we were painting i left the church one night we just relaunched our sunday schedule and it's 10 30 at night and i'm i'm i'm leaving the office um for sermon prep completion and i look out and he's 10 30 at night got a couple of guys and they're they're still painting so so what i'm saying is that there's a whole lot of behind-the-scenes stuff right that happens that you see the uh you see the harvest of it but then um you know the roots the roots aren't exposed only i see that right so uh you know the reason you have good fruit is you got good roots no amen you know one of the things i was hearing as you guys were discussing and something i want to ask what what is something you could tell somebody to help avoid that comparison trap where you see somebody and you see well they're more successful but not really if you if you look at it so what what is something you could tell somebody to to not be insecure in where they're at don't compare yourselves amongst yourselves um well the thing about drew and i is that as pastor has said um and i think drew might have mentioned it is that i have always known that i was going to be an evangelist and drew has has always known that he wasn't going to be an evangelist drew as long as as drew and i have been friends and that's been a long time he has always felt the burden for youth ministry and so there was no point in comparing ourselves one with another because we both knew that we were going to be walking different paths in life and also i mean we didn't compare each other we didn't compare ourselves among ourselves because it's not wise that's what scripture teaches it's just it's not wise um and as far as success who determines that right you know just because you preach a conference or you have a title or you're holding a certain revival at this certain church that's not what makes you successful what makes you successful is i'm am i living in perfect obedience to the will of god for my life i mean there's there are there are prophets that nobody's ever heard of but they stay up all hours of the night in their rocking chair getting a word from god you know you'll never see their name on a flyer for a conference but you can't tell me they're not successful that's true um and and one thing that drew and i have always understood is that it's not about us yeah it's it's it's a you know we we collaborate not compete we're we're a team and pastor houston is our spiritual father you're not going to meet any two individuals that are closer than drew and i we have been best friends for many many years and with pastor houston being our father he and i are spiritual brothers his son is going to call me uncle when he's old enough to talk i mean that's how close we are so you know we understand that it's not about us and uh peter is standing on the mount of transfiguration this is the first thing that came to mind he's standing on the mount of transfiguration and he sees elijah he sees moses and he sees jesus well what is significant about moses and elijah is that matthew said that the prophets and the law prophesied until john elijah represented the prophets moses represented the law and john is the one that looked at god in the flesh and said behold the lamb of god which taketh away the sin of the world he is the one that pointed us to god manifest in the flesh and so peter's on this man of transfiguration and he's seeing the prophet he's seeing the law and he's seeing the one that the prophets and the law pointed to and he said it's good for us to be here let us build tabernacles one for uh elijah one for moses and one for you he was saying let us build tabernacles one for the prophet one for the law and one for the one that the prophet and the law pointed to and before jesus ever acknowledged his question he heard a voice from heaven and he fell down on his face and he lifted up his face and the bible said that he saw no man save jesus only but what's interesting to me about that is that the bible said that the prophets and the law prophesied until john so the prophets upheld the office of the prophet the law was just prophetic in nature that wasn't the office of the prophet but they both prophesied they both pointed us to jesus so uh so so drew does not uphold the office of the evangelist but he has the gifting when god opens those doors to step into that office even though that's not the office he's called to i am not a youth pastor but god has opened the door for me to preach to young people and i have a burden for young people and so i can slip into that mode that gifting as as god sees fit and as god orchestrates so while i may uphold this office and drew may uphold this office we both understand that as god gives us the gifting and the ability we can traverse into other offices that we may not uphold uh by calling and by operation uh and so when when peter lifted up his face the bible said that he saw no man save jesus only so drew and i both understand that at the end of this thing all that's going to matter is did the world see jesus only and so if the prophet and the law can both prophesy until john introduces the messiah there are two different roles two different offices but they both pointed to jesus and so i think that that's one thing that drew and i have always understood i know it's one thing that we've always understood is that even though our roles are different they both prophesied until john and when we move out of the way they see jesus only that's really interesting and also uh with with process if you compare your blessing to somebody else's blessing at that time you know you're you're going to be disappointed um you you think about going back to the the birthright and the blessing when when jacob got that that birthright he got it out of deception you know he got it dressing up like somebody he wasn't and and isaac when he when he gave that blessing he he gave it it was shrouded in in concealment and i believe that's why there had to be that wrestling with the angel the theophany god face to face and he says um before i bless you you're gonna tell me who you are you know i know i know your earthly father gave you a blessing but that was done in in this this cloak of concealment you were trying to be something you weren't and and now he says i'm not going to let you go until you bless me and the reason being is he really wasn't blessed wow because isaac didn't bless jacob isaac bless jacob dressed up as esau right and then when he got the blessing he says you know what now that you got it i'm going to change your name you're not going to be called jacob anymore you're going to be called israel so anytime we get in a hurry that that's that's when we go to uh feeding people goat meat when they should be getting venison man that's good that that that's when we go to dressing up in in hairy garments that really don't belong to us uh that's when ishmaels are born yeah you see what i'm saying so when you're yourself and you know you know that i am in the divine will of god yeah and i'm doing exactly what i'm supposed to be doing you don't have to compare yourself with who somebody else is today the only comparison you need to be focused on is who you were yesterday am i better than who i was yesterday not who somebody else is today because me and caleb have have a similar story like me i got called to preach when i was 17 and i thought i should be preaching general conference when i was 18. which is unheard of and impossible okay i and i would tell my pastor like when is it going to happen when am i going to get to preach something when am i going to get to preach something and he would just pat me on the shoulder and say easy easy buddy it'll happen you know and then i would have my parents like when when's it going to happen man you could you you can preach what what's what what what's going to happen now and when are you going to get a church when you're going to get to preach a youth rally or something and and i i said i don't know i just got to trust the process and that's the same thing i would tell caleb he would say when is it going to happen when is it going to happen and then now that he's been full-time evangelist for four years now three years ago he had been a full-time evangelist one year and it had some of the greatest revivals that i've ever heard of and i would say you remember way back there when you said when's it going to happen when you looked back it was like that it happened in a flash so sometimes the process is the blessing sometimes the process might be incomprehensible but then sooner or later you look at your life and you compare yourself to who you were yesterday not who somebody else is today and you say oh my god it happened so fast and it didn't happen until i had an encounter with god not me trying to be somebody else so i if you're trying to get somewhere and be blessed you don't have to you don't have to disguise your voice like jacob did you don't have to put on somebody else's clothes like jacob did you don't have to put out somebody else's sermon wow like jacob did you just need to have an encounter with god and know that i've seen him face to face yes sir wow yes sir absolutely wow yeah absolutely i think just tagging on real quick to the comparison you know caleb and i were uh we were full time at the church together so we spent a lot of time together uh and i would always tell him um we would always make the peter and john reference you have these two disciples who were clearly the prominent disciples of jesus christ they were able to go places the other disciples weren't however peter and john both went on separate paths uh i believe it was eleanor roosevelt who said comparison is the thief of joy always say comparison it's the thief of ministry and most people think comparison starts externally when you begin to look outwardly i believe comparison starts internally when you begin to look inwardly and you don't have your true identity in jesus christ when you begin to look at yourself and uh your identity is messed up and so what happens is it creates this insecurity and so you go from looking inward to looking outward and you go from looking internally to externally and you start comparing yourselves uh among other people and i believe you know you look in the gospels with peter and john there was obviously some comparison issues that they wrestle with through the gospels you look in the book of john john records that he outran peter to the to the tomb i'm not sure that's essential information but he put it in there anyway for everybody to be able to read forever that when we raced to the tomb i was first i was first he also referenced himself as the disciple whom jesus loved yeah you also see when jesus is talking to peter and he's detailing how peter's going to die in the latter part of john chapter 21 that jesus tell peter how he's going to die and peter says well what about john jesus literally looks at him he said don't worry about john but here's what's amazing from the gospels to the book of acts something changes and i believe it's acts chapter 2 when they receive the holy ghost yeah so you have these comparative men who were flesh but in acts chapter 2 they become spirit filled and then acts chapter 3 happens where the bible says that peter and john went up together to the temple at the hour of prayer and so now these men that would compare themselves are praying together and so as they go to the temple to pray together and i cannot tell you how many times we met at the church to pray long before we ever preached anything or even really at home we would go in the old youth room or the prayer room have all night prayer meetings in the sanctuary we pray together so when peter and john go to the temple together to pray they meet a man who's in need of a miracle the bible says i believe in verse number five peter looked upon him and john this is what peter said he said look on us peter didn't say look at me john didn't say look at me they said we're together and he said such as i have i give i thee in the name of jesus christ rise up and walk and the man stood leaping and jumping praise and god went to the temple i believe unity is the enemy of comparison it's hard to compare yourself to someone who you consistently pray for and so when you have that personal relationship with jesus christ and you know who you are in him and you're confident in who god's called you to be there's no room for comparison and if it does rise it's time to go to prayer and then when you go to prayer together that will be eliminated and you realize that the kingdom needs all of us i can't be dylan morgan i can't be pastor houston i can't be caleb harry right but the beautiful thing is i don't need to be because god has y'all and so we must understand that we're on the same team we're not opponents we're teammates yeah and so we champion each other because like caleb it's not unto us but unto your name we give lord this isn't about us anyway and so if i feel like if you ever start falling to the trap of comparison you have to do some self-evaluation and look internally and say there's pride somewhere and i got to get it out because it was never jesus said i will not share my glory with no one and so we can't you know like brother cole said if we take the blame when it goes bad we'll take the glory when it goes good we can take neither because this isn't about us uh and thankfully we had a pastor who not only bottled that he didn't compare himself to other ministers we never heard that in private conversation but also he wouldn't have allowed that to happen right so therefore that's never something we had to wrestle with and i want i want caleb andrew to far surpass me if they don't surpass me i've failed and and maybe uh all right you can take for instance um when when paul was first converted you read you read the book of acts it says barnabas and paul barnabas and paul barnabas and paul but then all of a sudden it makes a shift and it says paul and barnabas all of a sudden the the subservient took over the whole and became superior so i want i want the guys that i train to far surpass me if they don't then we're we're not progressing we're digressing so i want caleb to be a greater preacher than i ever dreamed of being and that's what my pastor told me early on he said if you don't surpass me then i have miserably failed i've created even if even if you're just equal even if you just stay even then we've still done nothing but make a lateral move we need to crescendo when we train up young men and the only way to do that goes all the way back to the beginning of this is proximity so i have to make myself available and uh i get it asked regularly how do you train up guys and and i you know this might sound like a carnal answer but i say time and money it takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of money and uh not only just salaries but i don't know how many meals we've shared together okay and and and uh just suits and ties um shoes uh uh meals and uh uh shirts and ties and meals and and uh just books and and computers and and ipads and it and it's like the rewards of it you do good you take care of me i'll take care of you sir uh you you if you're there for me i'll be there for you yes sir and um you create a loyalty there and and you'll have guys and i'm not saying you can buy young ministers i'm not saying that right what i am saying is you can make valuable investments in young guys that you give them no choice but to be loyal so good and they find out that there is rewards to that loyalty because if if i'm gonna take the time and say okay you want to go to lunch uh that there is no oh man i've got i've got something going on no that's my pastor and i'm gonna do whatever it takes to be with him yes sir if if he if he thinks enough about me to share lunch with me whatever i have going on can wait yes that's the attitude that i had and that's the attitude that was reciprocated with me and caleb hey do you want to have dinner at my house with me tonight oh well man me and the guys were going to have an xbox tournament no no absolutely not i'm going to my pastor's house right and we can we can play xbox later yes sir and and they're they're uh you know these guys have made that um personified i have watched them put things on the back burner personally to to come and spend time with me and there may be days where when we're hanging out we are talking spirit we are talking uh bible stuff but drew will tell you there have been days like me as a pastor um i'll have i'll have a lot on on my mind and i will get in the vehicle and we will ride all the way to the hospital in new orleans and i won't say a word it's not because i'm mad it's not because i'm irritated i just don't want to talk right and and that's just how it is yes sir but but there's still proximity right and um you know i made a i made i don't even know if my my pastor may be watching this i don't know i doubt it he's not much of a podcast guy but if uh if if he is today is his 58th birthday wow so happy birthday bishop story i love you very much but uh one day one this is when i was very green very very uh very new same scenario we're we're driving i'm driving him and uh he's not saying a word and i look over there and say you're not very chipper today and he he leaned up in that seat and he said chipper tipper so and then when he told me about four reasons why he wasn't chipper i wasn't even chipper anymore [Laughter] yeah he killed my chipper so we had a non-chipper day um so uh if you are a pastor and you're you're looking to cultivate some young guys and i'm not saying you can just uh start welcoming them all in into your home and and start investing time and money that's going to be just thrown to the wind and wasted but you know you know if if a guy's got it you know um you know if the potential is there it might not be personified but but the guys that are in the prayer room the guys that when you take your coat off to preach you don't have to ask for one of them to come get it uh the guys that that if you drink water while you're preaching and the bottle of the cup gets empty uh the guy that's going to get you another one um things like that um that that you know you just have uh where you you're observant that they're observant right and you know you can you can do something with that and um you know invite them into your home let them let them they can't get your fingerprints without you touching them um so so uh you can't you can't have my fingerprints if i only see you on sunday so uh you can't you can't father sons in the gospel if they only see their spiritual father on sunday and wednesday there's got to be some more time in there there's got to be some more money there's got to be meals there's got to be a lot like uh if if man if if you want them to uh to to have shiny shoes then they got to have some shoes they can shine and you might have to go buy it for them but at the same time you're making an investment you're absolutely making an investment and and it does pay off i promise you that's awesome if if i could uh just tag onto a statement that pastor said earlier that i thought i mean it's so true he he talked about the the blessing and he said that the process is the blessing um and everything keeps going back to proximity i mean all of this is is intertwined um but he said that the process is the blessing and if there's there's anything that drew and i have heard countless if we've heard it once we've heard it a million times it's two things it's number one how bad do you want it and number two endure the process if you want it bad enough you will endure the process amen and god will never call you to a ministry without calling you to a man there there is no true calling without a true covering uh whenever whenever it came time for transition between moses and joshua the bible said that moses had died and then it gets into joshua 1 and it says the lord spake unto joshua the son of none moses minister his ministry was the man before it was the multitude and that goes back to proximity uh it's it's the blessing of the process i remember one time and i know drew has stories like this as well but i remember one time uh before i started evangelizing i'm laying in bed and it's like midnight and pastor had brought his family up to tioga for for kids camp daschle and zoe were were at kids camp and he texts me and he said we've got a leak in the cabin he said i need you to get the tool bag and i need you to leave first thing in the morning and drive up here well it's a four hour drive from bogalusa to tioga so i wake up first thing in the morning i load up the tool bag and i'm headed to tioga while i get there four hours later and i walk in the door of the cabin and the leak is fixed and i'm thinking you know four hours is a long way you know you you could that that was my carnal reaction i wasn't seeing the big picture and i never voiced this obviously because i have a brain um but i i'm thinking you know you could have called me and told me that this was fixed and i i could have you know saved this four-hour trip but he looks at me and he says fix us a pot of coffee and so i fixed the zapata coffee and we sat in those two recliners in the living room of his cabin for hours and we just talked talked about ministry we talked about preaching we talked about uh sermons that the lord had given us we talked about uh we laughed you know he he told me stories of him and brother's story for hours we just sat there and if you're not if you don't want it bad enough to endure the process you miss moments like that that's the truth where you're put in proximity to catch the man of god's spirit and and you know drew mentioned he mentioned how john decided to throw that little that little fact in there that that he was the first one to the tomb and that he was the disciple that jesus loved with drew and i there there never was any of that because we're brothers with the same father you know i never said you know i've been i've been with pastor houston for this long and then and then drew came along a year later and felt the call to preach i i never said stuff like that and drew never said stuff like you know he he never said things like that you know we were just known as houston's boys and now that you know i'm evangelizing and he's you know doing all the things that he's doing in ministry youth president married got a great youth ministry there at our home church you know we're not just houston's boys anymore but even if we were that is the greatest honor that either of us could ever have uh and now you know at home he and i are known affectionately by everybody as the boys that's we're just the boys and and so man you just you have to endure the process um elisha had three different opportunities to disconnect from his man of god but every time elijah looked at him and said he said you you can go you don't have to stay he gave him an out and and when the process is tough a lot of people are looking for an out but not elisha he said he said as thy lord liveth and as thy soul liveth i will not leave thee he said i'm here and because he was willing to endure the process he was there when the mantle fell while the 50 sons of the prophets were on the other side of the river so there's and and you know pastor has mentioned it you got to be there when it's time to be poured into and that that story with you know the leak and going to the campgrounds and him telling me to make him a pot of coffee i was there when it was time to be poured into um [Music] elijah never had to hunt down elisha the fur the the only time that elijah pursued elisha was the first time it was the introduction when he brushed him with the mantle and then what does the bible say it says that elisha arose and went and served elijah right he went and ministered to elijah is actually what king james says and so when he when the man of god went to him that first time and let him know hey this is available if you want it just follow me on this journey elisha had to make up his mind that he was going to go after it and so drew and i pastor never had to hunt us down and say hey you know can you do this or can you do that we were always there just making ourselves available pastor what do you need because we understood power of proximity we understood you know the process how bad do you want it and so like pastor said the the blessing is the process so good and uh if you if you do too much complaining the process i think you you lengthened the wilderness and what i mean by that is the children of israel under the leadership of moses were allowed to complain so because of the complaining 40 years and i know that's not the the only reason but that's a reason right so then when it comes time for joshua to take over and jericho's walls to fall he said you know what all that complaining made us have to walk around for 40 years y'all are gonna keep your mouth shut and we're gonna knock this out in a week that's so good so um there might be moments you want to complain about the process but i promise you if if you'll just plow your row look at the progress that you have made not not because i had buddies man they were they were setting the field on fire and and and just doing exploits and um i would i would almost catch myself and say my god why how come how come that's not me and then i would say nah i can't do that i can't do that look at look at how far i've come look at look at look at what god is doing in my life they've got a different process they've got a different proximity to a man and that's not the path that god's chosen for me so what i do believe can happen if we have that same trajectory is what what and i'm not i'm not taken away from past generations and and what they've done nor am i saying that the newer generation can do it better but i do feel like the longer we live and the more of these things that we get figured out the the quicker things can happen and the more efficient they can happen um because we see it laid out in scripture you know uh things happened with moses and they took years well with joshua it didn't take as long right and um um the the apostle peter i mean look look what he did all of his mess-ups and he got to preach the day of pentecost well then here comes paul and we read more of the writings of the apostle paul and he was an infidel you see what i'm saying so um i think um you know god did a quick work in my life an absolute quick work i started pastoring when i was 24 and um i don't know if that's the wisest thing that anybody could do but not nonetheless it happened and then i came to bogalusa when i was 28 and we just celebrated uh 12 years and what i've seen happen in caleb and drew um you know it it's happened in in some respects a whole lot faster than it happened for me and and i believe that is a byproduct of not complaining and um when we complain i do believe we uh you know if you circumvent the process you fought the blessing and i don't want to i don't want to get to the place where i'm a complainer and a whiner because god can turn water into wine but he can't turn whinying into anything you know what i'm saying yeah so good so uh stay in your process yes sir and and submit to the man of god man of god let young men submit to you let them clean your vehicles let them let them uh let them mow your grass let them wash the windows uh i built a home and um i don't know what possessed me to we we painted the outside bricks and it's like i was 103 degrees not heat index it was 103 degrees that day and we just got out there and did it but it's it's moments like that that while you're doing it you feel like oh my god i'm gonna die yeah but but then but then when you're when you say okay god you saw that you saw me do that you saw me submit when the conditions were anything but favorable and now i'm preaching statewide youth rally as the as the youth president what if that is the reward for me being on the end of a paintbrush in 103 degrees so good yeah absolutely and and caleb you're booked up for a year now preaching in the greatest churches see an apostolic revival and and yet when we were first starting out or or anything anything even even when my office floor is clean and you still came in here and cleaned it again every week what if what if that's the reward for all of that stuff that maybe you didn't want to do but you still did it because you were serving yes sir everything that i've got my my my church my pastoral ministry um any any bible studies that are taught uh the the vehicle that i drive the clothes that i wear um any of it what if all of this is the moments where i said you know what um this might not be what i want to do right now but it's what i need to do and i have to do yeah in order to get to where god wants me to be amen because moses wasn't always the one saying let my people go at one time he was part of the people that needed to be let go and and uh at one time uh you know that there's paul and he's he's gotta say okay barnabas what do i do next what do i do next well then all of a sudden he's the one teaching barnabas what to do what about jesus when he said if it be possible let this cup pass nevertheless not my will thine will be done there might be young ministers saying let this mop pass from me yes sir let this shovel pass from me nevertheless not my will but thine will be done so good yes sir so all of these things that um might might seem pointless and it might seem like uh the the the man of god is is putting you through the ringer he's he's putting something in you and pouring things into you that money cannot buy it amen that there is an absolute reward but but if you're a pastor and and you're all listening to me and i'm in no wise uh trying to trying to be an expert because i i know that there are men that have um you know dozens of gospel sons and i have i have two now and and some that are that are coming up um but put them through the process don't don't worry about um don't worry about anything put them through the process if if if you give them something to do and it's not done to your standard tell them about it and show them the proper way um man caleb you remember when i taught you how to wheat eat i sure do all right i didn't just tell him i said this is a weed eater this is how you use it you remember when i showed you how to mop yes sir this is a mop this is how you use it this is a vacuum cleaner so that there's a whole big difference between training and telling anybody can tell and and you know with caleb and drew they'll tell you that we don't do we don't pay anybody around here to do something that we can do you know it's easy to pay a painter it's easy to pay somebody to lay floor and i know caleb don't like laying floor too much but hear me that's more money in your pocket in the long run but at the same time my pastor told me years and years ago you need to learn how to do something else besides just preach so i want to teach these guys how to preach but i also want them to know how to do something because as a pastor and a preacher you don't ever want to get the stigma especially from your people that that's all he knows how to do is preach yeah he can't even change a tire i don't want anybody saying that about me i want to be able to change the tire i want to be able to run a wheatie at an edge and a mower and and be able to paint my might get to the place where you know you you grab a mop as a pastor and those young guys they snatch it out of my hand now and and there was a day where they they would just watch and gladly just observe you know and then now when when they're training up these these other young guys and there's the the the third or the second generation rather um i see them pouring into the guys that are coming up next what i poured into them so good and there's a lot of that that i don't have to do i'll give you for instance we had a young guy he's probably watching this but he had a bad problem with just saying yeah well i don't do well with you answering my questions with a yeah my pastor it's yes sir no sir all the time and it wasn't optional it was demanded so there was a young guy showed up he's i'm asking you questions oh yeah yeah yeah well then i see drew take him off to the side and put his arm over his shoulder and i said i know exactly what he's telling him for they could have been talking about anything but from that point on that young man has never said yeah so the things that i taught them they're teaching the next generation so if if you put it into them they'll carry it on and then that even takes even less heat off of you so um having gospel sons definitely is a is is a benefit but i am one i i am one and and my pastor poured so much into me and and he gave me what he had he gave me what he didn't have coming up and then i've tried to do the same with them yes sir and i want them to run with it so good man and that may be a militant approach but it works yes sir that's so good uh you know end with this last question i know we've been going for a little bit but this has just been absolutely amazing um and and everything that you've said and i feel like kind of leads to this and you can tell especially with drew and caleb uh and and i know with others that are in your church that they're catching it as well but staying submitted as you grow never never feeling like you've outgrown that what what are things you can say to somebody to to just show them stay submitted as you grow you never outgrow your your covering there is no outgrowing that covering um whoever wants to take that drew if you want to start with that and just any advice you have on that yeah i think you know for me i think you know it's how you look at submission if you value submission then it's not hard to be submitted and i think your perspective of submission is determined by your respect of your covering i think if you respect your covering it's easy to be submitted now i will say this from experience it's easier to profess your submitted than it is to practice actually being submitted submission is easy when it's in conversation i remember telling god i'm submitted to pastor whatever he says i'll do until it came time to do what he said that i did not want to do he often says submission begins when you disagree and so submission is easier to profess than is a practice but if you respect your covering it's easy to be submitted in deuteronomy chapter 6 as apostolics this is one of our favorite chapters in the bible uh but if you keep reading it starts talking about when we get to cities goodly cities the bible says and we get wells that we didn't dig and we get vendors that we didn't plan we live in houses we didn't build i believe the temptation uh to forget is increase when blessings increase sometimes when you are growing and god is opening doors there's this temptation to have this amnesia from where you came from so i think keeping a fresh remembrance number one of where god has brought you from number two who was there in the beginning everywhere i go even to this day there's something that i practice most of the time he's never going to watch it he's never going to hear it but i give honor to the local pastor and i give honor to my pastor every single time it does not matter where i am because i want people to know that i value that relationship i value being covered i would be terrified to operate outside of a covering yes for multiple reasons because i believe my pastor doesn't prohibit my ministry i believe my pastor protects my ministry amen i will never forget i was at louisiana cat meeting in the altar and i was sobbing which is not an unusual thing for me but man i was so broken and i remember pastor aaron balance coming and getting in my ear and he said these words to me he said drew never measure your ministry by by preaching about what you're able to do but where you're able to go he said because a lot of that comes because of your relationship with brother houston he's about measure your ministry by your devotion and so there's no telling the rewards that we reap from being submitted and so for me it's no way that i drew galloway i'm a product of a merciful god and a loving pastor that before anyone in this entire world gave me a chance he gave me a chance and so there's this homegrown loyalty that i don't have with anybody else because before anyone gave me a chance he gave me a chance before anyone believed in me he believed in me so submission is easy when you value your covering and there's not a man in this world that i respect more highly that i love more than my pastor and i've i've implemented that in my marriage i'm gonna teach that to my son you know that we value our covering and so submission is easy and and no matter where i end up i don't have a clue what life has for me god's in control but i can tell you god's always honored my submission god has always blessed me for being submitted and i try to teach that to young people far and wide brother huntley said you can't be right with the master and wrong with the pastor that's true so it's something i try to live by you know my relationship with god has a correlation in my relationship with my pastor and i want to bring honor to him as i bring honor to god so you know i value submission deeply and i'm a product of being submitted i don't have time to go into all the stories nor do i want to publicly but my life is blessed because i'm submitted amen yeah um i think some of the the one of the worst things that can happen to some people is that they can be successful pastor has always taught us that the only thing worse than backsliding is front sliding it's it's going too far too fast it's it's getting a ministry before the man is developed um and and if we're not careful when those blessings start to roll in when those doors start to open when those phone calls start coming you know if if you're not truly submitted that can cause you to front slide and the dangerous thing about front sliding is you backslide and don't even know it you're lost you're deceived into thinking that you're saved and that's that was the entire that that was the contrast between saul and david um saul was anointed as king and got lifted up in his gifting and said i don't need a man of god in my life anymore and rejected the role of samuel in his life but when david got anointed king what did he do he went right back to the field because what you do to manifest the anointing is the same thing you have to keep doing to maintain the anointing yeah saul was anointed with a vial david was anointed with a horn a implies a drop of anointing well what does a drop do when it falls it stops it doesn't continue but david was anointed with a horn well what does that imply that implies a flow of anointing and when a flow starts it doesn't stop and so saul's kingdom was like his anointing it's it started but it stopped david's kingdom was like his anointing it started and it never stopped that's why the bible says when david was anointed the spirit of the lord was upon him from that day forward because he didn't get lifted up in his gifting he knew what i did to manifest the anointing i've got to do to maintain the anointing you you can take the life of samuel he was he was he he literally grew up in the temple if there was anybody that had proximity to the man of god it was samuel he was close to eli and finally that prophetic anointing manifests in his life and the lord gives him a word for his own pastor but when he prophesied and gave that word to his pastor he didn't say okay i'm done with this process i don't need you anymore he went back to his place in submission to eli because samuel understood that elevation in the spirit does not mean elevation from submission the anointing flows down in the double portion the pastor has said it that his goal in raising up drew and i as his sons in the gospel is for us to be better than him one day um and so when god elevates us and when god uses us just because he elevates us in the spirit doesn't mean he's elevated us from submission amen um the bible said that noah was a husbandman and had a vineyard then he became drunk with wine and what did the bible say it said that his nakedness was uncovered noah became drunk on his own success and got out from under his covering so when we start getting drunk on our own success we get out from our we get out from under our covering very fast and so i need a man of god in my life not just amen god i need my man of god i need pastor travis houston in my life drew needs pastor travis houston in my life and it goes back to to protection a lot of people think no is all about correction but no is also about protection he sees things that we don't see he can see further down the road than we see and so you just got to remember where you came from you got to remember who got you there everything that i have everything that i am is a direct result from listening to my pastor number one the mercy and the grace of god but also listening to my pastor i'll ever have is because of a pastor in my life brother you said anything else you want to add here at closing i am uh i'm a very very blessed man that uh that i've got drew and caleb and um i i don't think i don't think it's something and if this is closing it out i i don't i don't feel like it's something that has to be forced in either way in either direction if you have to force it uh then something is is out of alignment so um i didn't ever have to force them to study and to read the word and to pray and to and to want to preach nor did i have to force myself to want to spend time with them and and pour out it was it was so natural it was so fluid right i do believe that that's in in correlation to it just being the the divine will of god and uh drew made a statement just in passing quickly a minute ago that i want to zero in on i had i had a pastor call me and say uh this has been some time back and and they may be watching so i want to keep it uh discreet but they said i need i need a youth pastor i need somebody do you know anybody that i could hire and i said well if i can give you anything that you can hang your hat on get you a young guy in that local church and raise him up and his his response was i don't have anybody and i said good find you somebody if they're green then that's a great thing you don't have to unlearn a whole lot of stuff before you can teach some stuff so there's a loyalty that comes out of raisin from within and and pulling from those ranks and um it'll be fluid um it'll be something that you don't have to you don't have to force and and um the the love that i have for for both of these guys um it goes way further than just a a pastor saint relationship i mean these are these are my boys and um it's uh it's a great thing when you when you look back over the last decade at what god has done and there's times where i was being hard and i knew i was being hard and and i would i would leave certain conversations and situations and go go weep and just say my god i'm going to kill them they're going to quit and and i was just going back in my mind to where my pastor would tell me after i had already moved on and i think i was pastoring here and we was having a conversation he said there were times i would get you to do stuff trying to get you to quit and here i'm saying well thanks a lot you know he said but you never did i mean wow well we had a big parking lot one day and and uh and he says uh sweep the parking lot and i'm talking about a big parking lot and i didn't get a three foot push broom i got like a house broom he made me sweep the parking lot when i asked him i said do you have a blower he said what i need a blower for when i got you and patted me on the on the back and i was like oh man he's trying to get me to quit but then that put something inside of me and i was like i ain't quitting yes sir i don't care how long it takes i'm not quitting yes sir i love it i don't i don't care what i've got to do i am not i am not quitting so um there may be moments like that that you don't understand but stick with it don't don't don't quit and if if you're a parent um don't don't think that your little baby's getting picked on by the pastor it's all part of the process and don't interfere i would always tell my my parents don't interfere don't say anything because i know there were moments they wanted to don't don't say anything and i've i've commended drew's parents and and caleb's parents when they would they would probably drive by see him we'd eat in that ditch and they might not have liked it like what does that have to do with ministry everything and and they didn't they didn't mess with the process and um it was never forced and and we didn't have to force it so that that's what i want to uh give you to hang it up with just let it be let it be fluid let it be you want to do it yes sir on both ways you know and there may be times where your gospel sons get on your last nerve but just remember your natural kids can get on your last nerve too and there might be times where uh you're a teenager and your parents are idiots and they don't have a clue and there were moments where i would look at my pastor and say he honest to god does not have a brain in his skull i would i would think that and now looking back it's like oh my god he was a genius and i know there's been times with caleb and drew they'll be looking at decisions i had to make and they'd be like oh my god he's a from head to toe and then now looking back it's like oh yeah oh man what a guy yeah wow right yes sir amen amen amen we appreciate this i wish we were all three together but we got the we got the hot shot evangelist that has to travel out and telling you you know he's uh he's roughing it but i wish we could all three be that be together but uh you know um that way you could see a little more interaction but these are my boys and uh i love them and i'm holy ghost proud of them and i see what they're passing on to the next generation and um give me send me another caleb and drew god let's do it i love it it might make the rest of my hair fall out but we'll make it happen i love it this has been so good um i want to thank y'all you know for being on tonight absolutely i know the comments and everything that we've received already that's just people been very blessed by this but uh in closing brother houston for the galleries y'all are together you know caleb and i are going to pray with you too i want you all to pray over um those that are listening those that are going to listen and uh that this wouldn't be something that's just heard but caught in their spirits because what we've discussed tonight is is of the utmost importance and um i've got a couple pages full of notes i'm going to be looking back on i can promise you that much um if y'all just pray over this as we close lord jesus right now anybody that has listened has watched this tonight i'm praying god for a young man that that feels maybe ignored or maybe he's out in that sheep field and and feels like uh there's there's something there but he's just not tapped into it yet i pray that you would give him the the courage and the fortitude to to go to his pastor pour water on his hands uh wash his feet uh what whatever it takes let him know that he's available and he's submitted and god i pray for that pastor that's this looking that's searching for somebody that that he can nurture that somebody that that he can father in the gospel and that you would give wisdom not only to the teacher but also to the student let there be a relationship let there be a messing that happens that is a result of of this tonight and i pray god that that every single word would be uh fallen in ground that's been cultivated that's been broken up and let it be like that seed word and let it bring forth much fruit god raise up brand new sons in the gospel raise up a generation of of young men and and young women that that won't uh thwart the process that that will go through it without complaining that will go through it with a covering and an anointing that cannot be broken by any external foe or adversary yes and god when when friends come by and they don't understand the process let let their words fall on deaf ears and just allow that process to continue until you are ready for that ministry to blossom into what you've designed it to be we thank you for this night we pray a blessing on brother morgan and we pray a blessing on everyone that listened in tonight we thank you for this we love you for this yes in jesus name jesus amen amen jesus name amen thank you oh thank you all so much for him tonight i mean it right yes sir thank you all right love you kate love you guys all right drew nice to see y'all see y'all next time thank you very much to everyone that's still on here um next generations will be december um 11th i believe it's going to be a friday uh with missionary dan macleod and missionary mark shoots to riga latvia um mark that down on your calendars and we'll be looking forward to you joining us then and again they're not on here but want to give such a great thank you to uh brother houston brother galloway and brother herring this has been such a blessing thank you all for joining in other generations appreciate it very much lord bless

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