Gaslighting GPU Buyers: NVIDIA RTX 3070 Ti Review & Benchmarks

actually gamers nexus was wrong about one thing why'd you make me do it linus why did you make me do it [Music] today we're reviewing the rtx 3070 ti it's msrp is 600 that puts it 100 above the rtx 3070 it's coming out one week to the day after the geforce rtx 3080 ti and that card launched at 1200 we called it a waste of money and said it was 71 more expensive for about or less than 10 percent more performance so now we're reviewing the 3070 ti the tone has been set the stage is prepared for the 30 70 ti's arrival you can see we have prepared such stage ourselves and in this review we're going to be looking at the ga104 silicon that is a higher quality than the 3070 silicon and the 360 ti but it's ultimately the same silicon that's in the three of them and we'll be going through all the normal numbers but also unfortunately uh spending a little bit of time responding to linus from his wan show wouldn't normally want to do it but he did he did sort of drag us into it so we'll be going 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into a best buy three weeks from now and it happens to be on the shelf it doesn't really matter what we say you're probably buying it either to resell it or to use it yourself or you're buying it because it's sort of like a gas shortage where there's news that there might be a shortage and so everybody rushes the gas stations to buy it all out so that they don't end up being the sucker with no gas even though they started the week with a full tank this has happened to us recently on the east coast by the way so that's what we're looking at today now uh the price increase is about 20 percent here msrp to msrp that's what that's how we do our reviews and the exchange for 20 is a couple of fps and that couple fps it ends up being worth about four to five percent up to about 10 in rasterization it looks like the average in our suite is closer to the range of seven to nine percent and in rtx it's variable as always you get a little bit more at the higher end with a 30 70 ti over a 30 70 all those percentages are based on a 30 70 baseline so that's what we're looking at that we just you know the 3080ti really its purpose has become clear while working on the 3070 ti 3080ti is an offensive launch by nvidia it's obviously a money grab where nvidia is boosting its asp because someone in the shareholder group said someone on the board said these are going to be sold out instantly they're going to resold for a lot more why don't we take some more of that since they're going to be purchased anyway and reputation be damned we'll make it back in money and we'll worry about the reputation later there's only two of us after all so what's the harm but following that fiasco it's become clear why the 3080 ti exists at least to us the 3080ti sort of looks like a decoy product the 3070 ti star is this making anyone nervous the 3070 ti starts to look like it offers great value when compared to the 3080 ti kind of like the 3080ti looks like value compared to the 3090 except you can't ignore the fact that you shouldn't be buying a 30 90 for gaming if you're buying it for professional work like we would use it for when andrew's working an unreal engine or blender or something then you need the vram and you don't get that with a 3080 ti so it's not to us really a clear comparison between the two of them so then that's what we're looking at today uh first we need to talk about whether or how msrp influences price before we progress further because we will be predicating a lot of what we're saying on sort of the same points as last week which is that starting with a higher msrp does actually matter and it sets a statement for what nvidia is trying to do it tells us nvidia's goals and it gives us a firm baseline that's not nebulous it's not out there in in the ether that we can actually base things off of when we're making value judgments because anything else is just a fool's errand because we don't know what it's going to be scalped for so that's how we we compare things okay so let's get into this msrp price influence thing being on camera we all live in glass houses uh in this instance a stone has already come through my house so i'm just throwing it out the same hole that it came through linus and gn were on good terms and we have disagreements about things like this editorially sometimes but just to be really clear up front this isn't youtuber drama it's not like beef it's just he's sort of in his live stream said a few things about pricing msrp while he was trying to defend his own 3080ti review which was poorly received by some of his audience and he went unscripted so going off script in the process he he referenced us and a few other reviewers and commented on our reviews uh we understand linus was again sort of speaking from the heart here and was getting uh he was getting some undeserved hate on his review but we do need to address him directly on saying that we were wrong about something i don't know how much used hardware steve has ever actually bought in his life but the way that it works so first up it's not used hardware uh we were talking about the 3080ti as it's sold as scalped hardware our statements we made originally were that the 30 80 ti's 200 higher than deserved msrp 1200 versus 1000 would influence to some extent the price at which it is sold especially scalped on secondhand sites or reseller sites like ebay or amazon's marketplace places like that that was our statement so this would not really classify as used hardware in this instance when a scalper sells something it's not likely to have been used or not for very long so people are buying them and selling them with the intent to make money ergo msrp does matter they're not going to sell it lower than msrp so it does set a floor that's not typically how it works in the in the second hand or in the in the secondary market so again not really the second hand market unless you're playing semantics about how many hands it has passed through in which case would be more like fifth or sixth or seventh uh so scalpers are buying cards and most likely not using them and selling them at a markup the scalp sales which is what we were talking about not the used hardware old hardware sales will scale on msrp because of that and that's all there is to it the way that it works is typically it's way way more closely tied to actual real world performance and what else is available on the market and that is the way and that has always been the way so something that performs way better has more of a value proposition regardless of what the msrp is is typically going to be worth way more i actually don't really completely disagree with linus here just the one thing is he did say typically and it's not a typical market so can't really draw those comparisons today just because of how the market is today and for the foreseeable future the lifespan of the ti cards that are out now linus has purchased more used hardware than i have he said he's he's correct about that and that's something that i would be i'd be happy to go toe-to-toe with steve on because i think that is uh just based on i don't know what he's i really don't know what he's basing that on honestly we decided to work with a a script and pull data from 93 679 use the gpu sales or new gpu sales through reseller websites and use data instead to justify our position the total sale value for the cards whose data we pulled was 71 million dollars and we were able to analyze that using strict filters to limit data so for example knowing we're pulling ti instead of not ti data or super and stuff not super whatever and also we set filters for things like broken cards being sold only for parts and filters for things like getting the fans out of there replacement parts things of that nature when we posted the 30 80 30 80 ti scalloped prices screenshot a week ago linus replied and said it was too soon to tell for that and that it wasn't a fair comparison that they would equalize with time so we have stripped the 3080ti versus 3080 comparison in linus's favor here in the chart we're about to show we're listing the aib partner msrp increase on card a versus card b where a and b are listed sequentially in the left of the or in the the axis of the chart and one bar represents msrp the other represents the resale value when sold through another website later that would be something like ebay for example the closer these bars are to each other the closer the msrp is scaling with the resold price and again that's based off of about 94 000 gpus that were sold in this data the larger the red bar is the more we see the uh performance versus the resale value diminish so this this would be the opposite of linus argument it would be uh the angle instead that the price is going up regardless of performance even more than we had suggested originally as you can see here the 1080 ti actually gained value at launch it was around 17 percent higher in msrp from nvidia while it has been at 41 higher since february 1st of this year that means that the resale or scalped price has outscaled the performance uplift and the original msrp for the next card the rtx 2080 ti launched at a 43 higher nvidia msrp than the rtx 2080 but has had scalped or secondhand sales at 37 higher that's pretty close to one to one with msrp the gtx 1070 aib was uh 52 higher in msrp than the gtx 1060 six gigabyte aib msrp nvidia had an fe thing back then and we see a 58 higher average selling price for the 1070 and our data over the 1066 gigabyte when resold that's pretty close again the same goes for just about everything the 980 ti to 980 shows a huge surge in resale price actually despite not seeing that big of a performance increase the 6800 xt and non-xe reinforce this as does the 1660 ti versus 1660 and vega 64 versus vega 56. there's one example we found that was actually completely in linus's favor here so linus would be correct with this one in that the rtx 2080 launched at 112 percent higher price than the 2060s initial msrp but that's only being resold for 47 more that we think if we you try to analyze it here it's probably because there's not really a replacement for the 2060 in today's market it's the 2060. whereas the 2080 has a lot of analogs 1080 ti is one of them uh 2080 super fairly close 2070 super and then of course the newer cards do directly slot in to replace the 2080. so maybe that feeds into it at this point though we've proven that msrp is at least somewhat related to the price it eventually sells for it's this isn't that important it's just we're going to make the same arguments again today as last week so it's important we address that but we judge nvidia's actions based on its msrp tells us what it's doing what it thinks the market will pay and that's important for us when evaluating the card and how it's meant to be positioned and also addressing some of the comments that a 3080 ti at 1200 is a great deal compared to a scalp 3080. sure that's true in the same way that i'd rather get shot in the arm than shot in the face but in the same way benchmarks are like for like the market conditions when you make these comparisons for our reviews have to be like for like you can't compare scalps to not scalp they need to either both be msrp or both be scalped to make a value determination except for the specific instance where you have only one of those two options and you personally are choosing an action on whether to buy or not buy but we can't judge based on the instances you run into only so let's get into the benchmarks finally frequency validation is up first always useful for helping to find the operating range of a card and making sure that it's working properly the 3080 ti operated around 1875 to 1890 megahertz after steady state thermals with the 3080s original launch results plotting higher at 1930 megahertz or so the 3070 ti plots between these two and the card initially spikes to about 1950 megahertz but as the load ramps and the temperature climbs it falls to a relatively steady 1905 megahertz there are a few spikes up and down but for the most part it's more stable as a line than its flanking components that means we're less power limited here where you'd typically be bouncing against power limits and seeing more core fluctuations as a result of course it is still power limited but not to the same extreme degree as some of the higher end cards up next we'll plot the core temperature versus rpm response on the 3070 ti as a reminder fans spin based on the v bios temperature target and really nothing else so the memory temperature doesn't dictate fan rpm at least not on this card nor does any other component temperature the 3070 ti core ramps to about 76 degrees celsius in a 21c environment tested with 3dmark 100 core workloads and at this point it rests at steady state the fan ramps around 1730 rpm initially but you'll see a plateau both fans are in sync here as well by the way and then they climb to about 1850 to 1900 rpm to sustain the initial fan rpm and the ramp slows down and nearly plateaus before climbing an extra 100 to 200 rpm which is an audible change in noise type and in volume typically we want to see more hysteresis here to reduce the instant acoustic hit as that's a lot more noticeable to a human user than a gradual ramp is thus far it's in line with other cars we have the 3080ti plotted here too just for reference next we'll look at the core and memory thermals during the same test for this testing we used software and hardware and memory temperatures were measured using software but validated with physically attached thermocouples to the memory packages the workload remains 3dmark here so it's more similar to gaming while other workloads like furmark stress vrm components more the 3070 ti's hot spot temperature plotted in the upper 80s when tested in our 21c environment that's fine there's not a lot of room for aging or a bad case but the gpu fans should adjust if they almost climb higher the memory plotted in the 80s which is also fine we're well within spec here rather than the usual sort of barely technically spec so that's an improvement from nvidia it's possible that other workloads stress the memory more than here but thus far it's looking better than the 90 to 100c range that we've seen on the 3080ti gaming benchmarks are up next now i like the 3080 for the 3080ti review we re-ran the 30-70 numbers because there has been an improvement since the last time we tested it the improvements somewhere in the range of 3.4 to about 4.6 depending on what game it was so the 30-70 has been freshly retested and the 3080 also has been retested the 6800 series has seen no movement from last time we did do a validation pass and we're mostly seeing changes in the 30 series cards from drivers and other advancements we'll start with tomb raider and spend more time evaluating the behaviors here even if you don't play this game it's good because it'll give us an opportunity to hopefully better understand the value of the cards we'll speed the next ones up after this shot of the tomb raider at 4k had the 30 70 ti at 78 fps average with low as well paced at 69 and 68 fps the 30-70 fe tiles version was at 71 fps average allowing the 30-70 tie a lead of about 9.8 percent in exchange for a hundred dollars more by comparison the 3080 holds a 26 lead over the 30 70 ti or a 38 lead over the 30 70 non-tie let's break that math down simply the 3070 ti is able to achieve 80 of the 30 80s performance for 86 of the price the 30-70 can achieve 73 of the 30-80s performance for 71 of the price the value needle in other words hasn't moved we're in the same spot nvidia isn't trying to help anyone but that was clear when it decided to dilute its silicon supply into more skus at a higher asp back to the chart the rx 6800 non-xt remains about four percent ahead of the 3070 ti on this one with the 6800 xt closer to the 3080 than it is to the 3070 ti at 1440p the 6800 pulls ahead further and establishes a six percent lead of the 3070 ti with the 3080 at 163 fps average or 23 of that 30 3070 ti and the 3070 allows the ti a lead of seven percent here which diminishes from the 4k advantage it helped that aligns with the change to the gpu sm count more than anything else and is what we'd expect the 3070 ti holds 82 percent of the 3080s performance here with the 30-70 at 76 percent of the 3080s performance similar to 4k but allowing the 30-70 to climb more in value relative to the 30-70 ti at 1080p we become cpu bound and encounter a limit of about 180 fps average on the nvidia cards in this game the 3080 and 3080ti and the 3070 ti are all functionally equal not only in average fps but also in one percent and 0.1 lows for frame time consistency there's no value to be had at this resolution other than the value of looking at your video card and thinking that guy from nvidia called this thing a tie the geforce rtx 3080 ti rainbow six siege at 4k had the 3070 ti at 154 fps average that establishes a gap of 7.7 percent over the 30 70 non-high with the 3080 holding a lead of 21 the 6800 6800xt from amd is advantaged to the 70 cards of course but the 6800 is behind them at 4k at 1440p the 3070 ti did about 283 fps average totally unplayable gross in fact only pores would settle over such a low frame rate and if you can't afford its price tag then it's not for you and you should keep your pinky on your glass when you drink because you haven't earned the 3080 ti or the 30-70 tie now please make way for paying customers as we move on to 1080p okay good now that we've gotten rid of the peasants we can talk about 1080p performance the 3070 ti runs 396 fps average here which means you need a 6800xc or a 3080ti otherwise you are physically disallowed from enjoying this game it runs like a slideshow on the 3070 ti assuming the slideshow is displaying a new slide every two and a half milliseconds over the 30-70 the ti holds a four percent lead for 20 more money that's one percent more frames for every 25 dollars if you want to break it down like that so the value argument is again not that strong red dead redemption 2 is next at 4k the 3070 ti ran at 71 fps average a lead of 7.4 percent in exchange for 20 more money it's at least not as bad as the 30 80 ti is a 71 price hike for 10 more performance in some games but maybe that was part of nvidia's plan to make this one look better like a decoy product even still a hundred dollars for an unnoticeable change in frame rate is a rough value proposition the 30 70 ti ends up this same 7.4 percent ahead of the 6800 roughly with the 3080 holding a lead of 21 over the 30 70 ti for about 17 more money in msrp that decoy product theory is looking pretty good right now at 1440p the rx 6800 climbs past the 3070 ti as expected but the two are functionally equal in overall performance it does bring nvidia closer to amd than the 3070 previously allowed at this price point maybe contributing to the decision to launch the ti as if from hubris because nvidia doesn't like to give up a top position in any category and that's not a bad thing because competition is what we want but read the room and video the rtx 3070 ti out does the 3070 by about 6.3 percent here diminishing the value the 3080 holds a lead of 18 over the 30 70 ti at 1080p the 3080 ti is led massively by the 6800 xt nitro and the 6900 xt stock alike thanks in part to nvidia driver overhead while the 3070 ti is about equal to the 6800 non-xt the lead over the 30-70 non-ti is about 5.7 for the tie a pattern at this point has emerged if we had future sight the 30-70 ti's feature would read not worth it it'd also read money is not in your future we're going to start going through these a lot faster so you can pause if you need more detail on any single chart in three kingdoms at 4k the 370ti held a 9.9 percent advantage over the 30-70 one of its peaks the 6800 stock remains above both as a reminder amd holds a lowe's advantage in this title versus nvidia at 1440p the 3070 ti maintains an 8 gain over the 30 70 while the 6800 maintains a lead over the 3070 ti of about three and a half percent 3080 boosts significantly higher than both landing at about 94 fps average here cyberpunk 2077 at 4k high had the 3070 ti leading the 3070 by 8.4 percent falling in line with the others the 3070 ti is a great gpu for increasing the nvidia's average selling price for shareholder confidence at 1440p the 3070 ti landed at 81 fps average outpaced expectedly by the 6800 xt and the 3080 the card is roughly tied with the 6800 non-xt and out does the 30-70 non-tie by about 5 fps average so great at 1080p we see a 5.9 percent advantage from the 3070 ti over the 30-70 at 119 fps versus 112 average the 6800 lands between them but the 30 series holds better lows here than the 6800 does enough rasterization we've made the point so time to move on some lightly ray traced titles tomb raider at 4k will start us out with ray tracing this is still mostly rasterized just with rt shadows so it is one of the easier rt workloads and this one at 4k the 3070 ti ran about 10 to 12 percent ahead of the 3070 so it's a more meaningful percentage at 12 than we saw on most rasterization tests nvidia maintains an advantage in rt performance over amd but this game's light use of rt does mean that the 6800 is close by at 1080p the 3070 ti maintains a nine and a half percent lead over the 3070 back down to the original difference and again unexciting we ran a couple other rt games as well and scaling outside of minecraft is mostly the same across them or otherwise just not worth it so this is pretty dull and we know enough now that we can just close out this review and skip the rest of the games power consumption testing is up last this helps us determine the efficiency this test scene is at the board level and not at the wall so we are only measuring the video card power testing is comparable directly between amd and nvidia the rtx 3070 ti fe card pulled about 296 watts when stock with the overclock pushing us to 326 on the fe model the original 3070 fe ran at about 225 watts and amd's rx 6800 meanwhile pulls about 239 watts stock the 6800 xt is at 294. so then for efficiency the 3070 ti compared to the 3070 is pulling about 31 percent more power for not that much percent more performance so that's it for this one the 30 70 ti is not worth purchasing purely based on the performance of the price the value proposition is not good it scales better than the 3080 ti but be careful of getting gaslighted into thinking that the 3070 ti is therefore a good value just because the 3080 ti was much worse they're both bad value but the 3080ti starts to look a bit like a decoy at the high end to trick you into thinking that the 30 70 ti is better now maybe that's not what nvidia's intent was it probably wasn't they just want to sell silicon but at the end of the day if you can get a 30-70 the performance increase is functionally irrelevant it's very unlikely you'll notice the frame rate difference in them and it's a hundred dollars more that hundred bucks is very noticeable for a lot of people it has an immediate impact on what else you can buy or you could just save it and use it for something else in the future so and as always just a reminder if you're happy with your system today if you have older parts like a 10 series or something you can do a lot to stretch it and make it last a little bit longer so if you're happy with what you have then keep using it you don't need to get sucked into the upgrade cycle the people who are going to be the most uh in the most exposed position here are those who are trying to complete a build and don't have an existing build that they can use especially people who need it for work or you need a hobby and escape gaming is it and you can't get a gpu and you don't have an old one that's where you have the most exposure to getting ripped off uh but you also probably have the most invested in trying to buy one but if you're pretty happy with what you have you could leave it alone and write it out for a little bit longer if your card is still good no no reason to create more e-waste anyway hold on you could probably scalp it yourself and make some more money but that's the only value of the 30-70 ti is uh buying it with intent to resell otherwise the other cards just offer a lot more 3080 and 3070 included and the rx 6800 is in a decent position as well but nvidia still remains dominant in ray tracing specific performance so that's it for this one thanks for watching as always subscribe for more you can go to store.gamersnexus.net or patreon.com gamersnexus to help us out directly and we'll see you all next time

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Id: dQJwjxUB0LU

Length: 26min 16sec (1576 seconds)

Published: Wed Jun 09 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/nogginthenogshat]

A way to legit up the MSRP on the same silicon.

As OC3D says, the only reason to buy one is you know that at launch time tomorrow, there will be some cards at MSRP, and you have at least a remote chance of getting one.

[u/Tago34]

Rtx 3070 very close to the 3070 ti yikes

[u/Taker597]

When did Ti become Halo product? The Titan was the halo product. A Ti for like 5 generation had crazy ridiculous performance gaps.

Even the 2080ti steamrolled the 2080. I'd consider 3090 a halo product, but the 3080ti supposed to a class leading card. Both Ti are really bad cash grabs.

Man... Nvidia just been all kinds of scummy since the mining boom with the 1080ti.

I think two things happened.

3090 was always a fake Titan, but really a 3080ti with professional level of ram

3080 was supposed to be nerf, but AMD scared them.

[u/I3ULLETSTORM1]

this card makes my 6800 look not as bad in terms of MSRP :')

[u/domskoy1871]

Fewer chips for the 3070. Very nice. I miss the days of 1060 vs 480/580. When both companies tried to create an ultimate budget GPU. Both cards are still amazing today

[u/CumFilledAnus]

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I'm glad Steve addressed Linus in this. I was waiting for a retort video lol.

[u/n00bmaster0612]

Tbh i feel that the rx 6800 has a better value propostion than the rtx 3070 ti. It offer better rasterization performance in most games compared to 3070 ti, is less power hungry, and offers 16gb of vram compared to 8gb, which means the card will still hold up in the future as games become more vram intensive. Also, with the introduction of fsr, it can also compete against rt+dlss, though itll take awhile for it to reach the same level of quality as dlss.

[u/chronocross2010]

I appreciate his reviews. He can be savage sometimes but we need a point of view like his on the industry tbh.

[u/MetaNovaYT]

I predicted a long time ago that the 3070 Ti would be released to compete with the 6800 but I never thought it would lose while costing more lmao