GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With Horizon: Forbidden West

[Music] [Music] if horizon forbidden west accomplished anything in the week it had people's attention before elgineering banished it to that area of the brain that failure recalls things on the edge of sleep is that simply removing the more obnoxious elements we've come to expect in open world games doesn't automatically make it a great open world game don't get me wrong i'm not so impossible to please that i won't applaud a developer for deciding against building a game around live services or microtransactions so what keeps horizon forbidden west from my hollow list of best games to draw your attention away from the end times we find ourselves living in it does everything right but it does all the same things every open world game does in a regular year that would be enough but this isn't a regular year because elegant ring release and horizon forbidden west had the unfortunate timing releasing just a week before it gorilla games bad luck knows no limit having previously released horizon zero dawn less than a week before breath of the wild little wonder why i had to read through the wiki to remind myself who the main character was again and why everyone in the game is in love with her it's a flaw that barges into every character interaction she has there were whiffs of mary sue coming off her back in the first game namely her being created to save the world but more so her tendency to be a temporarily embarrassed main character whenever a problem presented itself and she had struggled over 10 seconds before coming out with a brilliant solution so potent is eloy's charm that every character in the game can only have one of three reactions to her instant respect upon meteor then spending the rest of the game reminding eloy about how amazing she is fall in love with her and spend two games carrying a torch for a woman who happens to be as untouchable as the virgin mary or act hostile towards eloy but betrayed so obviously wrong while eloy's so noble and correct that no one could ever see things from her adversaries perspective and eventually even they too come to respect aloy in the end all this for a character who rexed everyone and everything around her with your boredom or mild annoyance which is fitting since that's all the game inspires in me forbidden west kicks off six months after the end of zero dawn earth's biosphere is beginning to spin out of control without gaia's guiding end and the best and only visual they ever displaying a dying planet are red algae growers that grow on land and only seem to kill foxes for some reason outside of the hostile robots the world seemed like it was in a pretty stable position without guy in the last game at what point does the planet no longer need her in a robot to micromanage the environment i arrive at the center i see you elizabeth [Music] waiting for me even though you've been dead for a thousand years and for a moment i feel whole yes because you push all the tier three subs who want to help you so much they're practically begging away little wonder why you're alone and having dreams of your biological progenitor giving you hugs well consider it a punishment for running out on us the very same night we beat hades halo is such an independent assertive and strong character that she tossed all of her character development from the first game where she had to trust and work with people who shunned her to save the world and instead becomes the helicopter mom for everyone on the planet constantly shooing them away from anything dangerous as if they haven't all grown up in the same violent robot infested world that she has when the majority of your problems are fixed by shooting scent problems with arrows i don't see what's so bad about having a few extra hand shooting arrows so you can run up to whichever gene log door only you can open it was much easier to swallow alloys go it alone approach in the first game because she didn't know that she was out to save the world or that she was all that important you have to assume some responsibility for your situation because if she dies while smoothing over everyone else's problems the world ends a focus never thought i'd get your second sight i'll give you another one later and show you how to back up your data would you also explain where and how you recharge them because i still have no idea a trend that has grown exponentially in recent years is the main character never shutting the hell up about what to do something i labeled the hamburger helper of game progression a door maybe i can open it using that battery i'll lighten the distance better checking out with my scanner i wonder what's in that cave might be something useful it's like aeloy has been trained on clickbait youtube titles that are designed to catch your interest but offer a little in the way of content might as well start placing some red arrows and circles on things in the distance while you're at it it's not as if i'm not equipped with a scanning device pulse vision mode waypoint markers on-screen objectives and two functioning eyeballs even my babysitter back in the day would turn on the sega genesis and trust me to play it alone while she grinded on her boyfriend in my bedroom games have reached the point where having a simple mechanic that's easy to understand is seen as a negative so the layer on a few extra steps so people will go i've never seen it done like that before for instance your first task is pick berries the hill injuries these things grow everywhere so you rarely need to worry and not only can you carry a large amount of them you have a secondary snack of them to fall back on if you suck extra hard at dodge rolling and on top of the berries you also have craftable health potions that you will only remember on the rare occasion you run out of berries and spend the next minutes cycling through your inventory only to find you use it and never made it another while dodging a robot t-rex's tail swipes speaking of the combat has become a bit overdressed the core of it is still there use your bow to shoot specific pieces of robots i still don't really think i understand the charge mechanic you have to charge your staff with energy by whacking enemies then give them a big whack with a spear to give the stored energy to them and then shoot them with an arrow to make them explode by the end of pulling off that combo once i felt like i just prepared my taxes but i was unsure if i was going to be honored by the irs for deducting berries as a business expense there's also power-ups and special moves but none of them ever found a place in combat for me i honestly even forgot i had them for most of the game then there's a traps you can place down but you never well since shooting things with a bow is easier and doesn't require waiting around for your enemy to charge at you they mainly exist to fill up space in your inventory that you get stuck cycling through your plethora of useless traps and all you want is the health potion because you ran out of berries honestly i think i engaged in no more than around 30 of my combat options and just fell back to scan shoot roll for the entire game and did just fine error public presentation file corrupted member recruitment file available do you wish to reactivate yeah reactivate since the regular press friendly presentation is corrupted the system massive alloy would like to play the file that reveals the truth behind the far zen of the project spelling out their actual goal of only sending the rich elite to another world how they managed to keep that a secret when they had a cuda to play they suffered a final error is a mystery so everything they said back there about the next step for humanity it was all a lie these people only cared about saving their own skin can you actually blame them the only other plan was to die fighting robots to buy time for zero dawn to be finished so that someday new humans could repopulate a rebuilt world a plan that was kept secret from everyone because they knew most people wouldn't appreciate being volunteered as cannon fodder by your genetic twin there the backup it should be stored in there farazena that plan to steal a copy of gaia for use in their space colonization efforts but they were traveling to an already habitable world in the syria system gaia would have been a little used to them i thought elizabeth sent the back up here but she didn't far zenith stole gaia you need a new copy of gaia to save the earth what does it matter if farzine had a stolen copy halo i didn't anticipate that dropping a shuttle from an old and rickety 1000 year old service tower might also drop the tower with it luckily for her one piece of the metal structure was able to levitate in place so she could land on it before jumping to grab a cable i'm serious just look at this this ain't no copy a guy you stole your losers but it's logic bombs so good luck repairing your data turns out that what farzina thought was a copy of gaia they had stolen was actually a virus since zero dawn had caught on to farzina's plan to steal a copy and then after having their entire data center break by a virus far zenith kept the virus on their system for some reason which is why eloy is able to watch this one night for less than half a minute it glowed in angry red from meridian that looked like a trick of the light but those who were closer atop the allight said it could not have been a reflection much to my dismay they said the light rose up from the tower's base from that good thing ai algorithms can be seen as glowing light as they move between hardware otherwise ailoy would have no lead on silence in hades why is silence hologram wet he's not standing here in the rain like eloy so once you're angered my entirely necessary deception has faded why don't you come out here and find me in the forbidden west considering that silence actually needs eloy since he's the only one who could open a specific door for him he should have tried to get in touch sooner instead of waiting for alloy to finally discover that he had stolen hades to extract all the info he could from it he placed a lot of trust in the belief that she would return to meridian and that people would tell her they saw hades flying off six months ago returning to meridian was viral's idea not always you went inside it and it transformed almost like the day of the battle i can only be grateful that it's a stormy day a few will have seen the tower change from meridian it was a stormy day for like a minute while i was at the top of the tower talking with silence then returned to brighton sunny the second she took the elevator down i've always found it on that alloy straps would amounts to an ipad to her spear and it somehow works as an interface with one thousand year old technology when your mission is over will you return to meridian and stay long enough for us to spend time to get to know each other properly perhaps on occasion the game will allow you to make a choice in how to respond to someone choice isn't the right word to describe it however since all three options are the exact same response just a different tactic aloy is like a commander shepard who's been locked into playing strictly paragon for instance when the sun king tries to get a date with aeloy you can be compassionate and tell him that saving the world is our only concern use wit to explain why it just wouldn't work or be more direct to brush him off it's a bit like how i go about writing these sins sometimes woody sometimes rude and sometimes compassionate but they all lead in the same direction it doesn't matter which option you pick because they all just brush off the possible romantic interlude perhaps because the developers want to save those options for the third game or they just haven't figured out if a lawyer is a lesbian or not yet what's the point of ditching viral here in meridian he knows exactly where hello is headed and will be only a few hours behind he tracked her down before without even knowing her location what's more she can't cross the border to the west until the embassy meeting there the trouble with making every character nothing but a cheerleader for eloy is i don't recall most of the characters from the first game when they show up the only detail i can recall about anyone which is by how much they sim for eloy this was a dude that carried a torch this was the thirsty lady and sadder yet none of them moved past such characterizations in this game either well i guess that's sort of like a goodbye [Music] i'm sorry you sorry that'd be a first where is this coming from hey just you know forget it yeah oh nice nothing it sounds like something all right fine now after the battle of the spire you you took off you left without so much as a handshake i mean people like me we fought and bled at your side elon you just or you just disappear what kind of person does that he's completely right but this is one of those moments where you get to choose the response so no matter what eloy is vindicated for being a shitty friend well thanks but i've waited long enough it's time to go absolutely not this embassy depends on diligent adherence to you shall not keep telling yourself that open the gates please do not let her through that gate that is a direct order turns out eloy can activate her inner karen power to see the manager and insist she get away even after he explains why he can't oblige her then confronts the workers when that fails give her a different haircut in an suv and no one would be writing articles praising aloy forget something back in meridian look bro it doesn't matter i made it just in time can someone please hold aloy's feet to the fire for a terrible behavior i'll grant you this to serve as proof of your right to travel into tanakh lands for a game subtitle forbidden west it remains forbidden for only the tutorial section of the game then becomes completely bidden after 10 minutes of discussion with it to knock where halo is given permission to travel through it this attack on the embassy by a brutal and bloodthirsty tribal warrior that kills everyone but alloy feels awfully similar to the first game which also had a surprise attack by a brutal and bloodthirsty warrior which killed everyone but alloy i don't have a shot you're in an elevated position firing down under writers how do you not have a shot enough you outlanders i'll skin you both strange for all the attackers that call enough when his side is winning just so he can personally go down and challenge alloy after you beat garuda aloy gets to use his shield but due to damage it can only function as a paraglider i would love to know how an energy shield is catching wind to slow your fall but the explanation would only get sin for attempting it katala's arm was sold off by a robot but once they pull him out from under it his arm has already been bandaged up and looks remarkably clean for what should be a bloody stump and there was no way to bandage his arm while he was pinned under the come to machine me yes permanently this time even like this you're a threat to gaia once i resurrect her so you have not yet secured dire backup then gaia is dead earth despite malfunctions i since hades knew all along that without gaia the earth's biosphere would spin out of control and die why was he so insistent on reaching the spire to reactivate the pharaoh robots to kill all life if he would only be speeding up the process by a few months anyway silence questioned you about the mysterious signal the one that woke you gave you consciousness who sent it by masters and who are they [Music] structures disintegrate disintegrated as a weird term for an ai to use when referencing corrupted files what would you know hades twice you tried to destroy life on earth and twice you failed the only extinction you ever brought about is your own and there's no tricked out lance to save you this time you are incorrect three times [Music] you remember this yes [Music] hades having aborted the biosphere three times in the past as per his programming raises a good point why would gaia ever revive humanity in a fragile biosphere that could still fail wouldn't you wait until after the biosphere is self-sustaining to do that because the system was only capable of creating humans once did you find a backup of gaia or not well yes i believe i did where voila how fortunate silence shows to interrogate haiti just steps away from the location where it was created and contains a backup of gaia all of which he couldn't have known until he tortured that info out of hades the door to the facility is jan with naturally growing crystals called fire gleam crystals that explode doesn't strike me as something coming from our i've got world two in fact there are two gaia backups in the repository instead of grabbing both of the melody takes only one just why redundancy is a good thing as you should have learned by now in your search for a gaia backup which would also make it useless for running tests with hades since hades was created to take control over a complete guy to reset everything if terraforming failed wait wait wait it's useless without subfunctions but there are sub functions out there the original ones scattered to the winds when guy blew herself up they could be anywhere you can't find them in time they could be scattered anywhere but as it turns out they were all scattered only as far as southwest north america i need you to listen closely these intruders want the same thing you do diet reborn it's why they're here friends of yours no they don't know me the data pulse i transmitted indicated that a guy a backup could be recovered here was anonymous silence intends to turn a lawyer in gaia over to the invaders to get her out of the way of his own plans but the zenith only want one thing from earth gaia which silence assumed would be here inside this facility and not just an incomplete kernel version had there been a full copy of gaia down here they would have acquired it and then left the planet and silence knows this and his planet of all's escaping on their ship which he wasn't ready to assault and take for himself yet well any idea what the hell a clone of elizabeth sobek is doing here maybe gaia made one when it destroyed itself a hail mary to repair the system don't like the sound of that nah don't like it don't want it but the effect nope one's enough trouble eric yeah care to do a little downsizing we're just making jeff bezos the villain in our games now huh amazon may have controversies but that's not enough for jeff bezos to stand next to the likes of liquid snake albert wesker and sephiroth and the other one is based off eric prince ceo of former blackwater security while the third is just carrying moss with blonde hair can you guess which one will help aloy eventually keep flapping your mouth it makes a nice target you actually think that primitive crap you got there can hurt me that bow does a number on robots when it shouldn't so some caution is warranted instead of bringing the spider down to collapse the platform halo he could have just jumped over the railing into the water and escaped which is where she ends up anyway that's a piece of metal and concrete alloys using as a floatation device doesn't normally float after being spin out of the facility varla's waiting right there like you knew that's where eloy was going to be the guy tracked her across the country once earlier and then to the embassy but what was his clue to be here at this river okay easy easy there hey hey hey hey it's right here and the way you were clutching it when i found you in knew it was important she wasn't clutching it though it was stored in her bag machines tend to not function properly when you remove parts but eloy fixes the utaru land god by breaking off a piece of it what's more this land god should be as violent as all the other terraforming robots toward humans ray and other machines like her you call them gods land gods yes for generations they provided for us seeding and harvesting the fields of plain song food for all a miracle of endless bounty this brings up a good point after a guy created and released humans back on earth why didn't she create robots and technology that would assist humans in recreating civilization she couldn't teach them human history and knowledge about apollo but making helpful technology would have still benefited them just look how much finding of focus as a child held aloy they'd always enrich the soil but for several seasons they've glutted it endlessly with mulch the fields have turned fetid [Music] a blight that keeps spreading did you ever consider i don't know planting the fields yourself once a land god stop doing it before the derangement each land god left the fields and made a pilgrimage to the cave always in the same order doe first then rey then me and so on interesting that a tribe that has no knowledge of music history landed on those names cauldrons were the worst part of a ryzen zero dawn and they remain the worst part of forbidden west a tiresome series of platforming puzzles that reward you with the ability to hack more machines if you stealth approach them a bad main character and supporting cast can still be carried by excellent gameplay as long as the game doesn't spend too much time showcasing them that triple pregnancy pause i just left tells you which direction horizon went with this is the moment where it grows even more in love with its precious words and triples the amount of conversations you have to have hilo gets a base of operations this time around similar to how mass effect does it but unlike in those games where your party actually accompanies you halo's team are confident that she's handling everything on her own mainly because she keeps reassuring them that she is so instead they all stay at base and read wikipedia injuries so they can tell eloy all they've learned while she was gone and get a sticker on their book report i'm not joking when i say i had multiple 30-minute conversation dumps that reiterated what i just did in simpler words and you have to return here every single time you complain one of the game's story missions to progress we're not going to be able to fix the biosphere without making you whole i ran a search for your sub-functions at the hades proving lab but minerva was the only one i found thankfully the sensory capabilities of this facility are far more advanced i will search for the others now this facility just happens to have the ability to search for missing ai subordinate functions even though that was never a contingency zero dawn would have prepared for since they could never have guessed that someone would send a signal that would turn all the guys subroutines cindy and make them go rogue the serious star system serious but that's where far zenith their ship the odyssey yes that's where it was headed but it blew up unless i don't why make it seem like they failed they didn't want anyone to know they didn't want future humans to think that they were out there the invaders eloy met were the ones who sent the signal that caused hades it becomes santina tend to destroy all life on earth and were also the humans who escaped from earth on a ship and fled to another planet it was believed their ship had blown up while still in our solar system in the last game but that was apparently a staged event to fake their death so no one could follow them which seems to me a bit unnecessary considering they were leaving a planet that was being killed at the hands of robots and there was only a slim chance the zero dawn terraforming system would work and even if it did the humans that came later would not be concerned with humans light years away since they would have no way of reaching them and the zenith would be far more advanced technologically that earth humans would be of little threat could it be that they want the planet for themselves the strangers i ran into they were after a guy a backup of their own i mean if they did that if they booted their own gaia and boosted her power until she could take control of hephaestus and then the whole terraforming system then yes the system could be used to do what the extinction signal failed to accomplish stuff out life and then potentially to build an entirely new biosphere to their specifications yes you heard right the plot is about the pale face invaders here to steal the natives land probably the most awkward anti-colonialism message i've ever come across so they could be trying to do the same thing we are but with opposite results extinction instead of salvation life on earth will end in just over half a year due to environmental collapse unless you regain hephaestus to create functioning terraforming robots again the zeniths are operating under the same bad logic that made hades plan pointless they could simply wait in their spaceship for a few more months and the problem would take care of itself it would take centuries to terraform the biosphere anyway so what would a few months matter to them should you change your mind you can update your objective via your focus interface at any time or you could just change your mind instead of updating your objective in the focus when my predecessor destroyed herself the subordinate function sought physical processors capable of holding them so in each case you will be looking for a powerful computer of some kind now that we're in the forbidden west halo has to travel even further west to even more forbidden west a quest to save the world sort of requires a journey into a dangerous land try as you like you can't make california nevada into mordor and then as soon as eloy arrives she's immediately given an audience with a chieftain of the tanakh and enters his service to help him her reputation precedes her wherever she goes and smooths the path this tanakh clan at stonecrest doesn't seem like they're dressed properly for a life in the cool mountains this valley is infested with regardless rebels the scars from the village tell us that they've been moving machines through here for days you can also look down and see them from the village pretty sorry tactics from regala she doesn't even try to conceal her men's movements tell hikaro with all due respect that we will keep our challengers here for as long as we are safe behind the bulwark clearly decotsa stating that means that if you blow up his defensive wall he will launder the call and send his men off to the trial by combat so that's eloy's brilliant plan and she sets out to do it by stealing a cannon from a robot elephant that regales men captured we will we will rebuild it immediately you are not safe the bulwark couldn't protect you from a single cannon that's not a fair statement the only reason alloy was able to destroy the bullwork was due to the old world tank buried inside of it that she blew up meaning their bulwark would have actually been a good defense against regales forces as they wouldn't have known to exploit that there are only two viable ways to attack the arena through the throne room you just passed and by the trail on the north end we've set up barricades at both but if regala means to assault the cool route with machines she will have to attack by the trail since everyone knows every gollum will attack the cool route why only sid defenses when you could be sending a trap to take her out get to the weapon if i can draw that thing close open fire it's in the middle of the arena you're talking about a few more meters closer at best drawing it any further would only bring it under the firing line of the ballista no way would always 120 pounds be enough to stop a jet aircraft from falling this isn't finished i'll be back with everything i have and all who stand with her carl will be run red don't all try and stop her at once from escaping it's not like you have her surrounded and alone inside your fortress with bows you could shoot her with i name you all marshall your first order is to secure the arena from any remaining rebels maybe order them to go kill regalis and she still has to be inside the compound something that doesn't make any sense to me is that when gaia claims emerging aether demeter and poseidon with her will allow her to stave off ecological collapse for a bit longer but to stop it all together she requires hephaestus the subparameter that control the creation of terraforming robots changing weather patterns water ph and plant life would also require terraforming robots since those are what carry out the environmental changes how exactly is gaia temporarily fixing the weather plans and oceans without control over the robots that do it gaia received a secret and difficult to notice transmission from aluthia on a private line or subroutines use requesting help at a facility when she goes to investigate haloe finds a zenith fighting to knock rebels who use a weapon that bring down her shield the rebels were here on silence order to wait for a zina to test the weapon on how silence knew a farzing that would show up here is unknown since only gaia could attack the sos with the addition of more elizabeth sobek clones eloy's legion of torch carriers at least send a better chance of getting a date be careful when you take on farciness they are ruthless and apollo now how did farzina find a luthien artemis when those didn't even show over a gaia skin but also failed to find a third demeter and poseidon which did beta and always character dynamics the only interesting one i encountered in the whole game and not for the reason the game wants me to as i've overstated many times and make sure you can't possibly miss my point aloy is a sublimely skilled incompetent character that everyone loves and respects beta on the other hand is a far more realistic version of eloy she's the person who might write a mary sue self-insert character of herself during one of her more bored and depressed moments i see the author and its creation interacting and even the mary sue expresses frustration and annoyance toward herself the descendants of farzenith escaped a dying planet and now they want to claim earth for themselves not their descendants what not their descendants it it's them the same ones who left earth a thousand years ago you didn't know how can they still be alive they don't even look what do they do to themselves i believe it's a combination of pharmaceutical cellular treatments and technological implants and and you does that mean that you're i'm not like them i was made on the way to earth being a clone doesn't make you any more natural than 1 000 year old billionaires cloning is a form of biological immortality after all the zenith needed elizabeth's jean prince to access zero dawn facilities so they made you i can understand eloy and the primitive people of earth not being able to get past gene encoded doors but with technologically advanced humans really need to go to the trouble of making an elizabeth clone in the last location where beta hit herself away the zenith tunnel through several meters of solid rock and ice with ease i don't think a steel door is that big of an obstacle to them aristotle and espacia the avatars of the archive would assign me learning modules and evaluate my progress wait those names they were designed to be the virtual guides for the apollo database before ted farrow perched it the zenith have a copy so for a thousand years the colonists of far zenith never upgraded from the apollo database they were given by elizabeth they were fine using what had to eventually become a slow and outdated system they're not going to find us guys using minerva to mask our location what difference does it make you're too far behind we're never going to beat them everything everyone i'm going to die you turned over the only other guy i coloneled eloy so they can't recreate gaia themselves anymore without that and you they can't beat you at this point hey lloyd comes across a group of awesome in the ruins of las vegas attempting to get inside a giant underwater city buried there and eloy being the character she is instantly becomes best friends with the leader of them and improves on his idea for a submersible by creating a rebreather from other parts so she can go down herself he's all too happy to watch someone else live out his dream and instantly one of his designs there's only one other character in modern games that is as narratively cuddle as aloy and that's sora from kingdom hearts the size of the valves aloy open the amount of water inside this structure containing the las vegas strip means halo should be waiting at least several months for all of it to drain how exactly did the loch ness robo monster get inside this is a sealed underground city that wasn't flooded with water until the odds were emitted and poseidon triggered the flooding was it just sitting around on dry land before and there's no explanation for why it would be here it's built for terraforming the ocean you can't terraform a sealed aquarium in the desert you know i used to watch this a lot too whenever i wanted to take my mind off things the difference being you were a child when you repeatedly watch that recording beta is an adult one day a data channel opened in my training interface in it tilda was waiting for me in a virtual replica of a house on a cliff overlooking the ocean it was beautiful she showed me paintings books media files we met there in secret many times this is said to suggest hilda might be one of the good zeniths but later after it's revealed that she was in a relationship with elizabeth sobek and still carries a torch more this comes off as incredibly disturbing since the 1000 year old lesbian was deeming the underage clone of her old flame what else can you tell us about tilda she liked to talk about her paintings what about herself did she ever talk about her life on earth how she joined the zeniths something like that she never said much about herself and she hated it when i asked too many questions yeah that's called grooming a loy kills all the quinn tribes i've been guarding this location where the next ai is found then comes across alba one of the quinn diviners whom they're regarding and alba still manages to become infatuated with eloy despite her just killing several people over here to protect her [Music] look in the gh facility section like i said a lost file you can't see the map it's okay it looks like your focus is an early model the operating system won't be able to read any files created after the mid-2050s if alva's older model focus is unable to view files past the 2050s then how did quinn's society manage to learn so much about ted pharaoh zero dawn and the pharaoh plague that destroyed the world those were all events that happened in the 2060s meaning their older focuses couldn't see or read the files relevant to them that's a one-handed effortless lift of a still hatch that has to weigh hundreds of pounds and with joints corroded by rust for a thousand years this facility is where the pharaoh plague's ability to convert biomass and energy was created they were also working on something to stop the feral robots called the adamantine wreath a plant-like vine that pharaoh robots couldn't convert and would choke them up but alloy needs to get past one blocking the way to demeter and the solution for defeating is a whack it a few times and then download a key into it this was supposed to be something to stop the pharaoh plague a swarm of robots that were known for hacking everything they came across it's hard to explain but you and i are working toward the same goal and if i succeed your people won't need any data things will just they will get better i've never heard such a convincing argument before help me and things will just get better for your people also eloy doesn't need any of alva's hell for this she's spending all of her time just explaining the past to her said before i can let it slide that the quinn guards missed their shot on eloy earlier but this time she was standing still in a room and was unaware of them behind her look at her can't you see elizabeth sobak stands before you an ancestor reborn although she recognized a lawyer herself pretty well despite alloy being the equivalent of the apostle in her culture it is too large to be beam cast and the kernel you've been using could never hold it therefore it must be contained in a location with a direct physical connection to me a place with two data cores two cores where would we find a place like that gemini an abandoned cauldron in the desert west of here seismic activity disrupted the original construction two data cores were built as a result why would the original gaia build large data cores for holding ais when she was the only ai at the time i did a test hephaestus has written alpha clearance out of its access module you'll never be able to capture it then we need a higher level of clearance there is no higher the one he used to purge the apollo database and kill the alphas but to get it you would have to find thieves the private bunker he retreated to when the world ended and nobody knows where that is not even the zenith their only intel was that it was somewhere in san francisco luckily eloy just ran into a tribe who worshipped ted vero and also weirdly know where his bunker is located problem introduced problem instantly solved may i present our honored ceo ceo as in ceo i could feel the writers in the meeting room biting their lip when someone above them on the ladder suggested that name what is your purpose i'm looking for a place called thebes and what do you seek there i think ceo's actor was just told act like he was hiding his true nature and goals from eloy but these characters are acting like reluctant teenagers in a school play you only memorize their lines last night it contained details about the construction of a great underground palace where exactly close beneath the great pyramid in the ruins beyond and it was hard to find out where ted pharaoh's bunker was located why he built a friggin pyramid over it and named it thebes his last name is pharaoh as an egyptian pharaoh one of which is also famous for bringing about plagues on earth oh why are you dressed like ted pharaoh i am pharaoh renewed my essence is the same as his across the years across the generations his soul is my soul his will is my will here's some rich irony for you the game portrays ceo as a deluded ruler who believes himself to be the reincarnation of ted pharaoh but it fails to realize that alloy and ceo are more or less the exact same only in alloy's case she is the reincarnation of elizabeth sobak and just as revered if not more so by everyone i would delight in seeing aloy knock down a peg or three just like the game is setting ceo up for even if ted pharaoh was weird enough to want to design his survival bunker after actual egyptian pharaoh tombs the irony couldn't possibly be lost on him that he was simply designing his own elaborate tomb full of people and expensive things that would accompany him here in death the writers have bitten off their entire bottom lip by this point ted pharaoh kept two of the pharaoh plague corrupters inside his bunker for protection what exactly kept them powered down here these things absorb bio matter to power the reactors and alts down here with some stone and metal ted faro also went with gene therapy to prolong his life except his version didn't work out as well as a zenith and he eventually mutated into a brain dead teratoma after killing everyone in his bunker with ted being an elon musk clone and jeff bezos leading the zenith it seems the devs prolong the life of every billionaire people enjoy dunking on on twitter just so they can be dunked on in the future as well those poor writers have jumped out the window of the office at this point who am i kidding i'm giving the writers too much credit they probably propose it themselves then high-fived each other over what a great message they were creating just like that huh the omega override just pulled up and downloaded no password protection or anything this is the property of someone so paranoid that he installed kill switches into every person he allowed into his bunker burn it to ash wait no pharaoh has it rigged to melt down tan silva self-destruct in his bunker when there was no one left alive inside him but himself ted pharaoh got his own poetic justice and so does ceo who believed himself to be the reborn ted pharaoh it's very cute i like to think this game got its poetic justice once eldering buried it in cells you're going to need a little help to reach our base varl i made a new friend i need you to meet her at the quinn fairy and escort her back you could lead her there yourself instead of having viral come all the way out and do it i mean you're on your way back to base but such is the direction of open world games the fact that the player might not want to return to base at this point has to be accounted for the net effect is that absorbing hephaestus will take longer than previously calculated how long even with omega clearance my current estimate is that the merge will take 35 hours and each hour increases the risk of detection by the scenics two cores what if the merge were carried out by two clones of elizabeth sobek both armed with omega clearance entering the password twice doesn't speed up a computer process the only way to decrease the time of a task is to increase the compute and the personal clearance is made for one person to use trying to use it with two different devices at the same time would likely trigger a firewall since that isn't how it would be designed to work and furthermore instead of endangering beta by dragging her along for the mission eloy could just walk to the other side of the room and activate the omega clearance on the other device after activating the first one there's no difference in how you do it you're right i don't understand we have the same genes the same mind the same heart so why can't you find the strength to do what has to be done like elizabeth would ironically the only person who ever makes a loser boring uber confidence is herself i look through all the data from your focus you were raised as an outcast shunned and isolated just like me so what's the difference what's my defect here's the thing beta is a more interesting and all-around better character than eloy could ever be because she has those defects and issues she can't overcome so easily so making her easily overcome her issues right now would be the worst thing you could possibly do for other when did it look it's not a piece of elizabeth the difference is i had him somehow eloy telling beta that she's a wimp because she didn't have a strong male father figure in her life and proves her mental state enough to go on the mission even though she's done nothing to actually soothe her anxiety or nihilism walk it off and get a dad at least requires her finding a dad first you have to promise me one thing yes of course if it goes bad [Music] if the zeniths find us i don't want to be their slave again do you understand okay whenever the main character promises to kill someone rather than let them be taken the promise is never upheld and always results in the exact same scenario person a is captured and person b who made the promise will have their moment to take the shot and fail to vowing to save them instead it's cracked look i really don't get how an ai subroutine escapes from a crack in the data container it's a program running off a distributed cloud of cauldrons since this is another force called remission i'll just send it again for the same stated reason as earlier i assume that moving those holograms around is removing a vessel's malicious code i don't know how you can have two people using air guitar programming at the same time on the same file possibly rewriting completely different sections and somehow have it work all that preparation of sending off electromagnetic pulses and other cauldrons and masks what they were doing from the zenith amounted to nothing if you set up a problem said you solved it and then now the problem still occur with no changes you've just wasted my time eric get beta i don't think the zeniths even need beta anymore gaia is currently absorbing a vestus and they can make a new sewback clone as well varel dies i'm supposed to care i think eloy was supposed to care as well since this is why she kept saying she had to do all this by herself because it was too dangerous to go with her a better rider would now have alloy double down on this belief since she's now seen her worst fear realized but the entire final act is about working with her friends in even more dangerous situations allow me to introduce you to a concept that far too many gang developers rely on let's knock the main character out to see them from an otherwise hopeless situation tell to switch its side since her being the one reasonable zenith was already brought up and saves zeloy by creating a blinding flash of light and flying away with her then because no one can ever act like a real human plops her in a bed to wake up on her own so she can communicate over the focus while eloy explores her art gallery whatever insights i'm supposed to glean about her character from the arch she talks endlessly about is lost because i'm trying to figure out what sort of person would do this to begin with this is what serial killers would think of doing not lesbians carrying a torch for their old girlfriend you truly are elizabeth's blood with her drive her sense of mission her integrity did she have any human flaws anything that could have made her and alloy relatable so what made you suddenly turn on them quite simply this focus aloy destroyed that vogus back at the hades training facility and then it would have fallen into the water after the platform collapsed during her fight with eric finding something that small and all that wreckage when you didn't even know it would be there is a little hard to believe we must recover beta and gaia at all costs by now you must know that gerard intends to use gaia to reboot the earth's biosphere remaking this world to specifications that would only suit us immortals this process will kill every living thing on the planet he calls it a clean install that is the assumption guy and eloy came to but the idea that the zenith adapted to their new planet and earth is unsuitable for them now therefore they have to wipe it clean and terraform it into something else still makes no sense adapting to an environment through evolutionary changes only happens across generations of offspring undergoing environmental pressure the zeniths are the same colonists that left earth 1000 years ago they would still be adapted to earth's environment once more they possess genetic engineering technology advanced enough to indefinitely prolong their life and health altering their genetics to the minor changes they may have experienced once on another planet shouldn't be so much of an issue that they would need to sit in orbit for centuries while earth is destroyed and remade this is all a lie of course but the logic makes so little sense a guy and alloy should have seen right through it the others became obsessed with a kind of effortless immortality they built a colony where machines serviced their every need where any memory or fantasy could be endlessly savored in virtual reality it wasn't life it was stiltifying yes it sounds horrible since gerald is obviously based off jeff bezos creating a world where no one needs to work makes him seem like a pretty decent guy unfortunately this game doesn't bother developing any of the farzing of the colonists beyond what people imagine the wealthy are like on twitter but how did he come up with a weapon that can take down your shields that's the one thing i haven't been able to figure out but however he did it i'm quite certain it will work with it in the tanakh army victory seems to be within his grasp tilda is a zenith and is wearing one of those personal shields right now on top of that she's a former information spy and is knowledgeable of software and hardware you're telling me she doesn't have her own way of disabling the shield she uses every day and plans to rely on silen's invention something created by a primitive man who should have no idea about zenith technology but she's certain it will work the data channel it still exists doesn't it i need you to open it let me talk to beta since eloy is against the plan of allowing regala to take control of the tanakh and throw themselves against the xena the base she comes up with a new plan involving beta our perspective switches the tilde as alloy whispers instructions debated over the secret data channel tilda controls i guess she can't listen in on her own data channel that she just opened for someone else halo is just whispering into a microphone in her focus she isn't actually leaning down to whisper in beta's ear i'm with a child i was wondering why they allowed one of the good guys to die they went with the old he knocked a woman up before dying trope a lloyd drops an emp on regala's army to shut down all their robots however the robot ailoys flying on isn't affected by the emp despite being in the same area after beating regal and saving the tanakh you have another fake choice to make it's a fake choice because all you really do is delay your death since she dies early in the final mission if you bring her with you so meet me at my base mountains west of plain song time to submit to the inevitable silence and follow the person who actually knows what she's doing don't be late i present you that karen who gets to save the world thoughts on our new zenith acquaintance i'd say she smells like death but even death smells of something she's more like a cold piece of metal on repelling all semblance of life but what's your opinion on tilda not carrion moss in addition they've also been faring materials to and from our ship in orbit after hundreds of years luxuriating in our digital comforts the ship was barely space-worthy when we made our escape the zeniths came back to earth on the same spaceship they left on there's no way a ship in orbit around a planet would still be working after a thousand years and you returned to earth in just 20 years when it took you over 300 to reach your initial destination so clearly it had to have been upgraded tell me about the weapon how does it work i've upgraded the delivery system it now emits a wave-like effect covering a significant distance that doesn't fully answer my question no but i'd be a fool to reveal its inner workings it's also because they don't have a satisfying answer since revealing that your enemy has technology that makes them invincible and then countering that with something that simply turns it off is incredibly unimaginative i wonder if you understand what kind of person you're dealing with for someone to live as long as she has outlast as many calamities well your goals may be aligned now but i'd watch for the moment they diverge silence actually knows the full truth about why the zenith really returned to earth which he learned from hades but refuses to tell eloy any of it even though he has to know that tilda plans to betray them at some point and he has no plan to stop her when she does there will still be specter drones scores of them if only we had an army to fight them i've got that under control you'll know when you need to why though why does anyone other than the zenith need to be surprised by whatever plan ailoy and beta concocted aloy is keeping her plans secret because she doesn't fully trust tilda but tilda wouldn't be against the plan to use terraforming robots to attack the zenith that eloy and beta came up with beta's role was the release of festus in the zenith system after the regulator was destroyed by eloy's friends allowing it to print machines that could then attack the zenith specter robots this also means they no longer have faces to merge with gaia so you don't even accomplish the goal of restoring her to save the world from environmental collapse in this game i guess they didn't want horizon 3 lacking rgb colored robots to fight you know there never was a part of the plan that specified how they would get all the zenith in one place and use silen's one and only device to remove their shields so the plot just has all them fly down and talk we can't let gerard escape it won't take long before he preps the shuttle for launch then he'll be able to take beta and gaia into orbit and on to the odyssey beyond our reach why hasn't he already done that gerald had everything he needed after a guy and beta were captured he's wasting time sitting around here on earth i don't need a shield to take you out why would eric's suit which is built with an impenetrable shield covering him at all times also come with a helmet and body armor you can just cut energy bands with a metal spear what even is that computer interface nemesis what is it it is us the minds of far zenith or failed copies of them anyway back on syria some of my peers weren't satisfied with physical immortality they wanted digital transcendence a way to upload their minds into any form organic or mechanical nemesis was a failed experiment to that effect abandoned but never erased an immense database of our memories emotions and prejudices left to fester so you're telling me that the true villain who sent the signal to corrupt hades and wipe out life on earth is the stored privilege and class animosity of the digital copies of a bunch of billionaires that were abandoned and felt angry enough over that to destroy the planet then chase the remaining 10 or so survivors across space and attempt to destroy their home world as well okay bring those writers back into the meeting room lock them in and leave them in there to starve so they have to eat each other to survive i loved elizabeth more than you could ever know and i let her stay behind to die with the rest of humanity a mistake i have regretted for a thousand years now she stands before me again you've been carrying a torch for over a thousand years i hate to tell you this but elizabeth and a lawyer are not that compelling you can't force me tilde your shield is gone i have something better spectre prime to me i love you and i'm going to use the biggest and deadliest robot i have to beat you into submission and make you come with me now it's time for me to leave this doomed planet behind to seize the odyssey in the apollo database and begin a new chapter in my pursuit of knowledge i don't think you know how to fly a spacecraft you're the most brilliant bronze age man in the world but still a bronze age man help me fight that thing perhaps tilde didn't adequately define the threat nemesis can't be stopped [Music] it destroyed a highly advanced zenith colony in a matter of hours what hope does this primitive tribal earth have i've long felt that primitive humans should have stood no chance in the fight against the terraforming robots of earth and even less of a chance against the zenith who have more advanced technology somehow i get the feeling that a bow and arrow will destroy whatever nemesis creates as well [Music] you're staying for a time you people are going to need all the help you can get silence the one character who remained immune to eloy's non-existent charm finally gives in and acts out of character to stay on earth instead of leaving

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Length: 51min 8sec (3068 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 01 2022