First presidential debate in full: Trump vs Biden | US Election 2020

[Applause] [Applause] you okay now good evening from the health education campus of case western reserve university and the cleveland clinic i'm chris wallace of fox news and i welcome you to the first of the 2020 presidential debates between president donald j trump and former vice president joe biden this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates the commission has designed the format six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers from each candidate to the first question then open discussion for the rest of each segment both campaigns have agreed to these rules for the record i decided the topics and the questions in each topic i can assure you none of the questions has been shared with the commission or the two candidates this debate is being conducted under health and safety protocols designed by the cleveland clinic which is serving as the health security advisor to the commission for all four debates as a precaution both campaigns have agreed the candidates will not shake hands at the beginning of tonight's debate the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent no cheers no boos or other interruptions so we and more importantly you can focus on what the candidates have to say no noise except right now as we welcome the republican nominee president trump and the democratic nominee vice president biden there you go man gentlemen a lot of people have been waiting for this night so let's get going our first subject is the supreme court president trump you nominated amy coney barrett over the weekend to succeed the late ruth bader ginsburg on the court you say the constitution is clear about your obligation and the senate's to consider a nominee to the court vice president biden you say that this is an effort by the president and republicans to jam through an appointment and what you call an abuse of power my first question to both of you tonight why are you right in the argument you make and your opponent wrong and where do you think a justice barrett would take the court president trump in this first segment you go first two minutes thank you very much chris i will tell you very simply we won the election elections have consequences we have the senate we have the white house and we have a phenomenal nominee respected by all top top academic good in every way good in every way in fact some of her biggest endorsers are very liberal people from notre dame and other places so i think she's going to be fantastic we have plenty of time even if we did it after the election itself i have a lot of time after the election as you know so i think that she will be outstanding she's going to be as good as anybody that has served on that court we really feel that we have a professor at notre dame highly respected by all said she's the single greatest student he's ever had he's been a professor for a long time at a great school and we just we won the election and therefore we have the right to choose her and very few people knowingly would say otherwise and by the way the democrats they wouldn't even think about not doing it if they had the only difference is to try and do it faster there's no way they would give it up they had merit garland but the problem is they didn't have the election so they were stopped and probably that would happen in reverse also definitely would happen in reverse so we won the election and we have the right to do it chris president trump thank you um same question to you vice president biden you have two minutes well first of all um thank you for doing this and looking forward to this mr president i uh the american people have a right to have a say in who the supreme court nominee is and that say occurs when they vote for united states senators and when they vote for the president united states they're not going to get that chance now because we're in the middle of an election already election has already started tens of thousands of people have already voted and so the thing that should happen is we should wait we should wait and see what the outcome of this election is because that's the only way the american people get to express their view is by who they elect as president and who they elect as vice president now what's at stake here is the president's made it clear he wants to get rid of the affordable care act he's been running on that he ran on that and he's been governing on that he's in the supreme court right now trying to get rid of uh the the affordable care act which uh will strip 20 million people from having insurance health insurance now if if they if it goes into court and and uh the justice and i have nothing i'm not opposed to the justices but she seems like a very fine person but she's written before she went in the bench which is her right that she thinks that the affordable care act is not constitutional the other thing is on the court and if if it's struck down what happens women's rights are fundamentally changed once again a woman could be helped pay more money because she has a pre-existing condition of pregnancy we were able to they were able to charge a woman more for the same exact procedure a man did gets and that ended when we in fact passed the affordable care act and there's a hundred million people have pre-existing conditions and they'll be taken away as well those pre-existing conditions the insurance companies are going to love this and so it's just not appropriate to do this before this election if he wins the election and the senate is democrat a republican then he goes forward if not we should wait until february there aren't a hundred million people with pre-existing conditions as far as the say is concerned the people already had their say they okay justice ginsburg said very powerfully very strongly at some point ten years ago or so she said a president and the senate is elected for a period of time but a president's elected for four years we're not elected for three years i'm not elected for three years so we have the senate we have a president he's elected to the next during that period of time during that period of time we have an opening i'm not elected for three years i'm elected for four years and there's 100 million people jill the hundred million people is totally wrong i don't know where you got that number the bigger problem that you have is that you're going to extinguish 180 million people with their private health care that they're very happy that's simply not true well you said you're going to socialist you're going to socialize we're now under gentlemen we're now into open discussion open discussion discussion yes i agree go ahead vice president number one uh he he knows that uh what i proposed what i proposed is that we expand obamacare and we increase it we do not wipe any and one of the big debates we had with 23 of my colleagues trying to win the nomination that i won were saying that biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still they can they do they will under my proposal not what you've said right and it's not what that party is saying that is simply the party doesn't say your party wants to go socialist party is socialist right now i am they're gonna dominate you joe you know that i am the democratic party right now the platform of the democratic party is what i in fact approved of what i approved of now here's the deal the deal is that it's going to wipe out pre-existing conditions and by the way the 20 the 200 million the 200 000 people that have died on his watch there how many of those and have survived well there's seven million people that contracted covet what does it mean for them going forward if you strike down the affordable care act joe you've had 308 000 military people dying because you couldn't provide them proper health care in the military so don't tell me about i'm happy to talk about that and if you were here you wouldn't be 200 it would be 2 million people because you were very late on the draw you didn't want me to ban china which was heavily infected you didn't want me to ban all right gentlemen which was heavily the president you would have been much later mr probably later mr president you're talking about two million people you're not president as a moderator we are going to talk about covet in the next segment but go ahead let me finish the point is that the president also is opposed to roe v wade that's on the ballot as well and the court in the court and so that's also at stake right now and so the election is all you don't know it's on the ballot why is it in the ballot because it's not on the ballot it's on the ballot in the court i think so on the court well there's nothing happening there donald would you you don't know her view on roe v wade i don't know well all right let's all right let's talk i would we got a lot to unpack here gentlemen we got a lot of time so uh on health care and then we'll come back to roe v wade all right mr president the supreme court will hear a case a week after the election in which the trump administration along with 18 state attorneys general are seeking to overturn that's right obamacare to end obamacare you have spent the last because they want to give good health if i may ask questions sir good health care over uh the last four years you have promised to repeal and replace obamacare but you have never in these four years come up with a plan a comprehensive plan to replace obamacare of course they have well i'll get rid of the individual i'm going to give you excuse me i got rid of the individual mandate which was a big that is absolutely a big thing that was the worst part of obamacare chris yeah that was the worst part about that let me ask my question i'll ask joe individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect of obamacare i got rid of it we will president i'm the moderator of this debate and i would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer you in the course of these four years have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace obamacare and just this last thursday you signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with pre-existing conditions five days before this debate so my question sir is what is the trump health care plan well first of all i guess i'm debating you not him but that's okay i'm not surprised let me just tell you something that there's nothing symbolic i'm cutting drug prices i'm going with favorite nations which no president has the courage to do because you're going against big pharma drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90 percent you could have done it during your 47-year period in government but you didn't do it nobody's done it so we're cutting health care all of the things that we've done yes i'll give you an example insulin it's going to it was destroying families destroying people because i'm getting it for so cheap it's like water you want to know the truth so cheap take a look at all of the drugs that what we're doing prescription drug prices we're going to allow our governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs because they pay just a tiny fraction this is an open discussion sir you'll be happy i'm about to pick up on one of your points to ask the vice president which is he points out that you would like to add a public option to obamacare and the argument that he makes and other republicans make is that that is going to end private insurance isn't well if i ask you the question and it will your party says by the way it will end private insurance and create a government takeover of healthcare it does not it's only for those people who are so poor they qualify for medicaid they can get that free in most states except governors who want to deny people or poor medicaid anyone who qualifies for medicare would mean medicaid would automatically be enrolled in the public option the vast majority of the american people would still not be in that option number one so you agree with bernie sanders far left on the manifesto we call it man that gives you socialized medicine look hey the fact of the matter is i beat bernie sanders not very much i beat him a whole hell of a lot i'm here i'm here standing facing you would have left two days earlier you would have lost every price oh he knows how to do super tuesday you gotta look very long there's a deal i got very luck gaming very lucky tonight as well and tonight i'm going to make sure because here's the deal here's the deal the fact is that everything he's saying so far is simply a lie i'm not here to call out his lies everybody knows he's a liar but you i just want him to tell you that i i i i want to make sure you ordered last in your class not first thing i want to make sure president can you let him finish sir no he doesn't know how to do that he has you know christ number two just lost the left number two i i you just lost the left you agreed with bernie sanders on a plan absolutely you have an idea socialized medicine mr president tell you what he is not for any help for people needing health care because his because he in fact already has cost 10 million people their health care that they had from their employers because of his recession number one number two there are 20 million people getting health care through obamacare now that he wants to take it away he won't ever look in eye and say that's what he wants to do take it away oh i want to give numbers better health care at a much lower price because he doesn't know how he doesn't know how to do that he fixed it he has never offered to fix it to an extent he has never given us as you might know but probably doesn't obama you realize if you're both speaking at the same time and it's too expensive let the president go ahead sir obamacare is no good we made it better and i had a choice to make very early on we took away the individual mandate we guarantee pre-existing conditions but took away the individual mandate listen this is the way it is and that destroyed that they shouldn't even call it obamacare then i had a choice to make do i let my people run it really well or badly if i run it badly they'll probably blame him but they'll blame me but more importantly i want to help people okay i said you got to run it so well that's amazing and i just had a meeting with them they said the problem is no matter how well you run obamacare it's a disaster it's too expensive premiums are too high that it doesn't work we do want to get i have to give you roughly equal time please let the vice president talk he has no plan for health care yes we do please he sends out wishful thinking he has executive orders that have no power he hasn't lowered drug costs for anybody he's been promising a health care plan since he got elected he has none like almost everything else he talks about he does not have a plan he doesn't have a plan and the fact is this man doesn't know what he's talking about all right i have one final question for you sure uh mr vice president if senate republicans we were talking originally about the supreme court here if senate republicans go ahead and confirm justice barrett there has been talk about ending the filibuster or even packing the court adding to the nine justices there you call this a distraction by the president but in fact it wasn't brought up by the president it was brought up by some of your democratic colleagues in i'm saying the congress so my question to you is you have refused in the past to talk about it are you willing to tell the american people tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court whatever position i take in that that'll become the issue the issue is the american people should speak you should go out and vote you're in voting now vote and let your senators know how strong will you feel let vote now make sure you in fact let people know we're senators i'm not going to answer the question because you answered that because the question is we have ended this segment we're going to move on to the second segment that was really a productive segment wasn't it keep yapping man the people understand yeah 47 years you've done nothing they understand all right the second subject is coveted 19 which is an awfully serious subject so let's try to be serious about it we have had more than seven million cases of coronavirus in the united states and more than 200 000 people have died even after we produce a vaccine experts say that it could be months or even years before we come back to anything approaching normal my question for both of you is based on what you have said and done so far and what you have said you would do starting in 2021 why should the american people trust you more than your opponent to deal with this public health crisis going forward in this case the question goes to you first sir two minutes uninterrupted good luck two hundred thousand dead as you said over seven million infected in the united states we in fact have five percent or four percent of the world's population 20 of the deaths 40 000 people a day are contracting covet in addition to that about between 750 and a thousand people today are dying when he was presented with that number he said it is what it is well it is what it is because you are who you are that's why it is the president has no plan he hasn't laid out anything he knew all the way back in february how serious this crisis was he knew it was a deadly disease what did he do he's on tape is acknowledging he knew it he said he didn't tell us or give people a warning of it because he didn't want to panic the american people you don't panic he panicked in addition to that what did he do he went in and he we were insisting that the chinese the people we had on the ground in china should be able to go to wuhan and determine for themselves how dangerous this was he did not even ask she to do that he told us what a great job she was doing he said we owe him a debt of gratitude for being so transparent with us and what did he do then he then did nothing he waited and waited and waited he still doesn't have a plan i laid out back in march exactly what we should be doing and i laid out again in july what we should be doing we should be providing all the protective gear posts we should be providing the money the house has passed in order to be able to go out and get people the help they need to keep their businesses open open schools that cost a lot of money you should get out of your bunker and get out of the sand trap and get in in your golf course and go in the oval office and bring together the democrats and republicans and fund what needs to be done now to save lives so if we would have listened to you you have two minutes sir if we would have listened to you the country would have been left wide open millions of people would have died not two hundred thousand and one person is too much it's china's fault it should have never happened they stopped it from going in but it was china's fault and by the way when you talk about numbers you don't know how many people died in china you don't know how many people died in russia you don't know how many people died in india they don't exactly give you a straight count just so you understand but if you look at what we've done i closed it and you said he's xenophobic he's a racist and he's xenophobic because you didn't think i should have closed our country wait a minute it says two minutes you didn't think we should have closed our country because you thought it was too it was terrible you wouldn't have closed it for another two months by my doing it early in fact dr fauci said president trump saved thousands of lives many of you a democrat governor said president trump did a phenomenal job we worked with the governor oh really go take a look the governor said i did a phenomenal job most of them said that in fact people that would not be necessarily on my side said that president trump did a phenomenal job we did we got the gowns we got the masks we made the ventilators you wouldn't have made ventilators and now we're weeks away from a vaccine we're doing therapeutics already fewer people are dying when they get sick far fewer people are dying we've done a great job the only thing i haven't done a good job and that's because of the fake news no matter what you say to them they give you a bad press on it's just fake news they give you good press they give me bad press because that's the way it is unfortunately but let me just tell you something i don't care i've gotten used to it but i'll tell you joe you could never have done the job that we did you don't have it in your blood you could have never done that yet i know how to do the job i know how to get the job well you didn't do very well in swine flu h1n1 you were a disaster your own children was in disaster 14 000 people died not two hundred thousand there was no economic recession you made up there was no way you made a point and there was no one there's no we didn't shut down the economy this is his economy that's being he shut down the reason it's shut down is because look you folks at home how many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of covet how many of you were in a situation where you lost your mom or dad and you couldn't even speak to them you had a nurse holding a phone up so you could in fact say goodbye you would have lost father how many people far more people than you would have been and by the way his own cdc director says we could lose as many as another 200 000 people between now and the end of the year and he held him he said if we just wear a mask we can save half those numbers just just a mask and by the way in terms of the the whole notion of a vaccine we're for a vaccine but we i don't trust him at all nor do you i know you don't what we trust is a scientist you don't trust johnson by the way gentlemen let me let me move on to questions about the future because you both have touched on one of the two of the questions i'm going to ask focusing on the future first president trump you have repeatedly either contradicted or been at odds with some of your government's own top scientists the week before last the head of the centers for disease control dr redfield said it would be summer before the vaccine would become generally available to the public you said that he was confused and mistaken those were your two words but dr slowly the head of your operation worf speed has said exactly the same thing are they both wrong well i've spoken to the companies and we can have it a lot sooner it's a very political thing because people like this would rather make it political than save lives it is a very political thing i've spoken to pfizer i've spoken to all of the people that you have to speak to we have great modern johnson and johnson and others they can go faster than that by a lot become very political because the left or i don't know i don't know what the head of your operation warp speed doctor i disagree with him yeah no i disagree with both of them and he didn't say that he said it could be there but it could also be much i had him in my office two days he talked about the summer sir before it's generally available she said it's a possibility that we'll have the answer before november first it could also be everything available well we're going to deliver it right away we have the military all set up logistically they're all set up we have our military that delivers soldiers and they can do two hundred thousand a day they're going to be this is the same man it's all set up by easter this would be gone away by the warm weather it'd be gone miraculous like a miracle and by the way maybe you could inject some bleach in your arm and that would take care of it this is the same said sarcastic that was you know that i would have said sarcasm so here's the deal this man is talking about a vaccine every serious every serious company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year but the distribution of that vaccine will not occur until sometime beginning or the middle of next year to get it out if we get the vaccine and pray god we will may god mr vice president i want to pick up though i want to pick up on this question though you say the public can trust the scientists but they can't trust president trump in fact you said that again tonight your running mate senator harris goes further saying the public health experts quote will be muzzled will be suppressed given the fact that polls already show that people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant to take it are you and your running mate senator harris contributing to that fear no more than the question you just asked him you pointed out he puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientist but you're saying you can't hear harris is saying he can't trust the son well no no you can't trust a scientist he does she didn't say that you can't she said the public health experts will be muzzled will be suppressed well that's what he's going to try to do but there's millions of scientists there's thousands of scientists out there like here at this great hospital that don't work for him their job doesn't depend on him that's not they're the people there and by the way to the scientists that are in charge by the way they will have the vaccine very seriously do you believe for a moment what he's telling you in light of all the lies he's told you about the whole issue relating to covet he still hasn't even acknowledged that he knew this was happening knew how dangerous was going to be back in february and he didn't even tell you he's on record as saying it he panicked or he just looked at the stock market one of the two because guess what a lot of people died and a lot more going to die unless he gets a lot smarter a lot quicker mr president did you use the word smart uh so you said you went to delaware state but you forgot the name of your college you didn't go to delaware state you graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class don't ever use the word smart with me don't ever use that word oh give me your because you know what there's nothing smart about you joe 47 years you've done this let's add this to ben you would have had let me just tell you something joe if you would have had the charge of what i was put through i had to close the greatest economy in the history of our country and by the way now it's being built again it's going to get to the economy in the next segment sir okay it's going up fast okay when it comes to how the virus has been handled so far the two of you have taken very different approaches and this is going to affect how the virus is handled going forward by whichever of you ends up becoming the next president i want to quickly go through several of those reopenings vice president biden you have been much more reluctant than president trump about reopening the economy and schools why sir because he doesn't have a plan if i were running i know how what the plan is you've got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with the ppe as well as with the sanitation they need you have to provide them pelosi well he's just shush for a minute nancy pelosi and schumer they have a plan he won't even meet with them the republicans won't meet with the senate but he and he sits he sits in his golf course and i mean literally think about it you probably play more than i do jim what about those questions of reopenings and the fact that he wants to shut down this country and i want to keep it open and we did a great job wait a minute let me shut you down for a second joe just for one second we want to he wants to shut down the country we just went through it we had to because we didn't know anything about the disease now we found that elderly people with heart problems and diabetes and different problems are very very vulnerable we learned a lot young children aren't uh even younger people aren't we've learned a lot but he wants to shut it down more people will be hurt by continuing if you look at pennsylvania if you look at certain states that have been shut down they have democrat governors all one of the reasons they're shut down is because they want to keep it shut down until after the election november increasingly question the effectiveness of masks as a disease preventer and in fact recently you have cited the issue of of waiters touching their mass and touching plates are you questioning that no i think they'll be passionate you have to understand if you look i mean i have a mask right here i put a mask on it you know when i think i need it tonight as an example everybody's had a test and you've had social distancing and all of the things that you have to but i wear masks when needed when needed i wear a mask okay let me ask i don't have i don't wear mess like him every time you see him he's got a mask he could be speaking 200 feet away from it he shows up with the biggest mask i've ever seen i will say vice president biden go ahead sir look the way to open businesses is give them the wherewithal to be able open we provided money the congress i was asking make a big difference his own head of the cdc said if we just wore mass between now if there everybody wore mask in social distance between now and january we'd probably save up to a hundred thousand lives it matters and they've also seen the opposite they've also said no no serious person said the opposite no look seriously dr fauci said that he did not i want to ask you very strongly a minute left and this assessments are not good then he changed his mind he said miss good i'm okay with masks i want to ask you both about one last subject because your different approaches has even affected the way that you have campaigned president trump you're holding large rallies with crowds packed together thousands of people i would say outside yes sir agreed uh vice president biden you are holding much smaller uh events with nobody will show up people with math what's wrong with nobody shows up to his right hand all right in any case why you holding the big rallies why you not you goes first sir because people want to hear what i have to say i mean what are you doing and i'll have 25 35 000 people show up at airports we use airports we have a lot of people well so far we have had no problem whatsoever it's outside that's a big difference according to the experts and we do them outside we have tremendous crowds as you see i mean every and and literally on 24 hours notice and joe does the circles and has three people someplace okay by the way did you just did you one of the last big rallies he has and a reporter came up to him to ask him a question he said no no stand back put on your mask put on a mask have you been tested i'm way i'm way far away from those other people that's what he said i can't i'm gonna be okay he's not worried about you he's not worried about the people out there breathing in one of them we've had no negativity no negative effect we've had no negative effect and we've had 35 40 thousand right people want to lead the israelis just quickly finish up because i want to move on to our next yes i would he's been totally irresponsible the way in which he has handled the social distancing and people wearing masks basically encourage them not to all right then he's a fool if you could get the crowds you would have done the same thing but you can't nobody can gentlemen can we move on to the appearance gentlemen can we move on to the economy yes the economy is i think it's fair to say recovering faster than expected from the shutdown in the second quarter the unemployment rate fell to 8.4 last month the federal reserve says the hit to growth which is going to be there is not going to be nearly as big as they had expected president trump you say we are in a v-shaped recovery vice president biden you say it's more of a k-shape what difference does that mean to the american people in terms of the economy president trump in this segment you go first so we built the greatest economy in history we closed it down because of the china plague when the plague came in we closed it down which was very hard psychologically to do he didn't think we should close it down and he was wrong and again two million people would be dead now instead of still 204 000 people is too much one person is too much should have never happened from china but what happened is we closed it down and now we're reopening and we're doing record business we had 10.4 million people in a four-month period that we've put back into the workforce that's a record the likes of which nobody's ever seen before and he wants to close down the he will shut it down again he will destroy this country you know a lot of people between drugs and alcohol and depression when you start shutting it down you take a look at what's happening at some of your democrat-run states where they have these tough shutdowns and i'm telling you it's because they don't want to open it one of them came out last week you saw that oh we're going to open up on november 9th why november 9th because it's after the election they think they're hurting us by keeping them closed they're hurting people people know what to do they can social distance they can wash their hands they can wear masks they can do whatever they want but they've got to open these states up when you look at north carolina when you look and these governors are under siege pennsylvania michigan and a couple of others you've got to open these states up it's not fair you're talking about almost it's like being in prison and you look at what's going on with divorce look at what's going on with alcoholism and drugs it's a very very sad thing and he'll close down the whole country this guy will close down the whole country and destroy our country our country is coming back incredibly well setting records as it does it we don't need somebody to come in and say let's shut it down all right you're two minutes sir we're now moved to you as i as i said posing the question the president says it's a v-shape recovery you say it's a k-shaped recovery what's the difference the difference is millionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of a cover crisis have done very well another billionaires of ray have made another 300 billion dollars because of his profligate tax proposal and you only focus on the market but you folks at home you folks living in scranton and clemont and all the small towns and working class towns in america how old are you doing this guy paid well total of 750 in taxes wait wait no sir i understand you've agreed to the two minutes so please let him have it do i get my time back the fact is that he has in fact worked on this in a way that he's going to be the first president united states to leave office having fewer jobs in his administration than when he became president fewer jobs than when he became friends first one in american history secondly the people who have lost their jobs are those people who have been on the front lines those people who have been saving our lives those people who have been out there dying people who've been putting themselves in a way to make sure that we could all try to make it and the idea that he is insisting that we go forward and open when you have almost half the states in america with a significant increase in covert deaths and covert cases in the united states of america and he wants to open it up more why does he want to open it up why doesn't he take care of the america you can't fix the economy until you fix the covet crisis and he has no intention of doing anything about making it better for you all at home in terms of your health and your safety schools why are schools open because it costs a lot of money to open them safely you know they were going to give his administration going to give the teachers and school students masks and then they decided no couldn't do that because it's not a national emergency not a national emergency they've done nothing to help small businesses nothing they're closing one in six is now gone he ought to get on the job and take care of the needs of the american people so we can't open safe all right your time is up sir are going to get to i have to respond to that well you both had two minutes sir excuse me he made a statement so people want their schools no people want their schools open they don't want to be shut down they don't want their state shut down they want their restaurants i look at new york it's so sad what's happening in new york it's almost like a ghost town and i'm not sure it can ever recover what they've done in new york people want their places open they want to get back to their lives people they'll be careful but they want their schools i'm the one that brought back football by the way i brought back big 10 football it was me and i'm very happy to do it and all right people of ohio are very proud of me and you're not going to get about that we're going to get to your economic plans going forward in a moment but first mr president as you well know there's a new report that in 2016 the year you were elected president in 2017 your first year as president that you paid 750 a year in federal income tax each of those years i know that you pay a lot of other taxes but i'm asking you the specific question is it true that you paid 750 dollars in federal income taxes each of those two years i've paid millions of dollars in taxes millions of dollars of income tax and let me just tell you there was a story in one of the papers i paid 38 million one year i paid 27 million show us your tax returns i went uh you'll see it as soon as it's finished you'll see it you know if you want to do go to the board of elections there's a 118 page or so report that says everything i have every bank i have i'm totally under leveraged because the assets are extremely good and we have a very we have a i built it i'm asking you a specific question which is let me tell you i understand all of that no mr president i'm asking you a question will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017. millions of dollars you paid millions of dollars of dollars millions of dollars and you'll get to see it and you'll get to see it but let me just chris let me just tell you something that it was the tax laws i don't want to pay tax beca before i came here i was a private developer i was a private business people like every other private person unless they're stupid they go through the laws and that's what it is he passed a tax bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and for tax credits we build the building and we get tax credits like the hotel on pennsylvania avenue you get a massive which by the way was given to me by the obama administration if you can believe that now the man got fired right after that happened but i spread it on biden you want to respond yeah i do want to respond look the tax code that made him put him in a position that he pays less tax than a schoolteacher makes on the money a schoolteacher makes is because of him take he says he's smart because he can take advantage of the tax code and he does take advantage of the tax code that's why i'm going to eliminate the trump tax cuts and we're going to we're going to eliminate those taxes and make sure that we invest in the people who in fact need to help people out there need help but why didn't you do it over 20 in the last 25 years because you weren't president because you weren't president screwing things up you were a senator you're the worst president that america has ever had let me just tell you joe i've done more in in 47 months i've done more than you've done in 47 years joe we've done things that you never even thought of okay including fixing the broken military that you gave me taking care of you mr president we're talking about the economy i'd like to ask you about your plans going forward because mr vice president your economic plan if you were to be elected president uh focuses a lot on big government big taxes big spending i want to focus first on the taxes you propose more than four trillion dollars over a decade in new taxes on individuals making more than four hundred thousand dollars a year and on corporations president trump says that that kind of an increase in taxes is going to hurt the economy as it's just coming out of a recession well just take a look at what as the the analysis has been on by wall street firms points out that my my economic plan would create seven million more jobs in his in four years number one and number two it would create an additional one trillion dollars in economic growth because it would be about buying american that we have to we're going to make this federal government spend 600 billion a year on everything from ships to steel to buildings and the like and under my proposal we're going to make sure that every penny of that has to be made by a company respectively so i'm talking about taxes not spending well by the way i'm going to eliminate significant number of the tax i'm going to make the the the corporate tax 28 it shouldn't be 21 you have 19 companies 91 companies federal i mean in the fortune 500 who don't pay a single penny in tax making billions of dollars why didn't you do it billions of dollars because obama because you in fact passed that that was your tax report i got it done and you know what mr president let me pick up on that you would continue your free market approach lower taxes more deregulation correct not lower taxes american people but in but in obama's you talk about the economy booming it turns out that in obama's final three years as president more jobs were created a million and a half more jobs that in the first three years of your presidency they had the slowest recovery since night economic recovery since 1929 it was the slowest recovery also they took over something that was down here all you had to do was turn on the lights and you pick up a lot but they had the slowest economic recovery since 1929 let me tell you about the stock market when the stock market goes up that means jobs it also means 401ks if you got in if you ever became president with your ideas you want to terminate my tax my taxes i i'll tell you what you'll lose half of the companies that have poured in here will leave and plenty of companies that are already here they'll leave for other places they will leave and you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen look we inherited the worst recession short of a depression in american history i was asked to bring it back we were able to have an economic recovery that created the jobs you're talking about we handed him a booming economy he blew it it wasn't he blew it he wasn't booming it was it was the weakest request is it fair to say he blew it when in fact when there was record on low unemployment yeah before covet yeah but because what he did even before covent manufacturing went in the hole manufacturing went not whole excuse me number two number three they said you would take no you were number two no chris chris they said it would take a miracle to bring back manufacturing i brought back seven hundred thousand jobs they brought back nothing they gave up on manufacturing we did not stand it fair i'm the guy he totally gave we brought back i was asked to bring back chrysler and general motors who brought him back right here in the state of ohio in michigan he blew it they're gone he blew it and in fact they're gone ohio had the best year it's ever had last year michigan had the best year they've ever had it's not any car companies came in from germany from japan went to michigan and went to ohio they're not happening and they didn't come everywhere mr vice president and so you take a look at what he's actually done he's done very little his trade deals are the same way he talks about these great trade deals you know he talks about the art of the deal china has made perfected the art of the steel we have a higher deficit with china now than we did before we have the highest deficit trade deficit china with mexico all right china ate your lunch joe and no wonder your son goes in and he takes out he takes out billions of dollars takes out billions of dollars to manage he makes millions of dollars and also while we're at it why is it just out of curiosity the mayor of moscow's wife gave your son three and a half million dollars what did he do to deserve it what did he do with baristas joe mr vice president you got three president dollars that is not true really mr president it's a it's an open discussion please it's a fact well there's no who have raised an issue let the vice president answer discredited [Music] my son did nothing wrong at first i think he did mr president he doesn't want to let me answer because he knows i have the truth his position has been totally thoroughly discussed by everybody well by the media by our allies by the world bank by everyone has discredited a matter of fact matter of fact who testified under oath so let me ask you this i'm listening to you people under you got three and a half testified testified under oath in his administration said i did my job and i did it very well who they are every well i'll give you the list of the people who tested it you've already fired most of them because they did a good job some people don't know but here's it with you guys wait a minute you get the final word well it's hard to get any word in with this clown excuse me this hey let me just say dude no no i'm mr president that is simply why did he deserve three and a half million from moscow look here's the deal we want to talk about families and ethics i don't want to do that i mean his family we could talk about all night his family's alright my family my family just a fortune coming down and helping us with government and that's such a right that's not true it doesn't want to talk about what you need you the american people it's about you that's what we're talking about all right that's the end that's the end of the segment we're moving on it didn't take them vice president can i be honest it's a very important try to be honest no the answer to the question is no ukraine no i sir with a billion dollars you know what you're waiting not true you're doing it you're going to be okay true gentlemen is i hate to raise my voice but i think it seems to me why shouldn't i be different than the two of you so here's the date good point we have five six segments we have ended that segment we're going to go to the next segment in that segment you each are going to have two uninterrupted moments in those two interrupted minutes mr president you can say anything you want i'm going to ask a question about race but if you want to answer about something else go ahead but we i think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions i'm appealing to you sir to do that well and him too well frankly you've been doing more interruptions that's all right but he does plenty well less than sir less than plenty no less than you have let's please continue on the issue of race vice president biden you say that president trump's response to the violence in charlottesville three years ago when he talked about very fine people on both sides was what directly led you to launch this run for president oh yeah sure president trump you have often said that you believe you have done more for black americans than any president with the possible exception of abraham lincoln my question for the two of you is why should voters trust you rather than your opponent to deal with the race issues facing this country over the next four years vice president biden you go first it's about equity inequality it's about decency it's about the constitution and we have never walked away from trying to quite require equity for everyone equality for the whole of america but we've never accomplished it but we've never walked away from it like he has done it is true the reason i got in the races with those people close your eyes remember what those people look like coming out of the fields carrying torches their veins bulging sputing and just spewing anti-semitic bile and accompanied by the ku klux klan a young woman got killed and they asked the president what he thought he said there were very fine people on both sides no president has ever said anything like that it is no second sir second point i'd make to you is that when floyd was killed when mr floyd was killed there was a peaceful protest in front of the white house what did he do he came out of his bunker had the military to use tear gas on them so we could walk across to a church and hold up a bible and then what happened after that the bishop of that very church said that it was the disgrace the general who was with him said he only all he ever wants to do is divide people not unite people at all this is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred racist division this is a man who in fact you talk about helping african americans 1 in 1 000 african americans has been killed because of the cona the coronavirus and if he doesn't do something quickly by the end of the year one in 500 will have been killed one in 500 african-americans this man this man is the is a savior of african americans this man cares at all this man's done virtually nothing look the fact is that you have to look at what he talks about you have to look at what he did and what he did has been disastrous for the african-american community so president trump you have two minutes why should americans trust you over your opponent to deal with racism did a crime bill 1994 where you call them super predators african americans the super predators and they've never forgotten it they've never forgotten it jeff no sir it's his two minutes so you did that and they called you super predator and i'm letting people out of jail now that you have treated the african-american population community you have treated the black community about as bad as anybody in this country you did the 199 and that's why if you look at the polls i'm doing better than any republican has done in a long time because they saw what you did you call them super predators and you've called them worse than that because you look back at your testimony over the years you've called them a lot worse than that as far as the church is concerned and as far as the generals are concerned we just got the support of 200 mil 250 military leaders and generals total support law enforcement almost every law enforcement group in the united states i have florida i have texas i have ohio i have excuse me portland the sheriff just came out today and he said i support president trump i don't think you have any law enforcement you can't even say the word law enforcement because if you say those words you're going to lose all of your radical left supporters and why aren't you saying those words joe why don't you say the words law enforcement because you know what if they called us in portland we would put out that fire in a half an hour but they won't do it because they're run by radical left democrats if you look at chicago if you look at any place you want to look seattle they heard we were coming in the following day and they put up their hands and we got back seattle minneapolis we got it back joe because we believe in law and order but you don't the top 10 cities in just about the top 40 cities are run by democrats and in many cases radical left and they've got you wrapped around their finger joe to a point where you don't want to say anything about law and order and i'll tell you what the people of this country want and demand law and order and you're afraid to even say it all right i want to i want to return to the question of race vice president biden after the grand jury in the brianna taylor case decided not to charge any of the police with homicide you said it raises the question quote whether justice could be equally applied in america do you believe that there is a separate but unequal system of justice for blacks in this country yes there is there's just there's just systemic injustice in this country in education and work and in in law enforcement in the and the way in which it's enforced but look the vast majority of police officers are good decent honorable men and women they risk their lives every day to take care of us but there are some bad apples and when they occur when they find them they have to be sorted out they have to be held accountable they have to be held accountable and what i'm going to do as president united states is call a a together an entire group of people at the white house blow everything from the civil rights groups to the police officers the police chiefs and we're going to work this out we're going to work this out so we change the way in which we have more transparency in when these things happen these cops aren't happy to see what happened to to george floyd these cops aren't happy to see what happened to brianna taylor most don't like it but we have to have a system where people are held accountable when and by the way violence and response is never appropriate never appropriate peaceful protest is violence is never appropriate right now what is peaceful protest when they run [Music] i promise we're going to get to the issue of law and order in a moment this month your administration directed federal agencies to end racial sensitivity training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory why did you decide to do that to end racial sensitivity training and do you believe that there is systemic racism in this country sir i ended it because it's racist i ended it because a lot of people were complaining that they were asked to do things that were absolutely insane that it was a radical uh revolution that was taking place in our military uh in our schools all over the place and you know it and so does everybody else and he would know what is totally a racial sensitivity training if you were a certain person you had no status in life it was sort of a reversal and if you look at the people we were paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad ideas and frankly very sick ideas and and really they were teaching people to hate our country and i'm not going to do that i'm not going to allow that to happen we have to go back to the core values of this country they were teaching people that our country is a horrible place it's a racist place and they were teaching people to hate our country and i'm not going to allow that to happen vice president biden nobody's doing that he's just he's the racist you just don't here's the deal i i know a lot more about it the fact is that there is racial insensitivity people have to be made aware of what other people feel like what what insults them what is demeaning to them it's important to people know they don't want to many people don't want to hurt other people's feelings but it's amazing makes a big difference it makes a gigantic difference in the way a child is able to grow up and have a self a sense of self-esteem it's a little bit like how this guy and his friends look down on so many people they look down their nose on people like irish catholics like me and grow up in scranton they look down on people who don't have money they look down on people who are of a different faith they look down on people who are a different color in fact we're all americans the only way we're going to bring this country together is bring everybody together there's nothing we cannot do if we do it together we can take this on and we can defeat racism president i mean president trump sir during the obama biden administration there was tremendous division there was hatred you look at ferguson you look at you go to very many places look at oakland look what happened in oakland look what happened in baltimore look what happened frankly it was more violent than what i'm even seeing now but the reason is that the democrats that run these cities don't want to talk like you about law and order violence you still haven't mentioned violence are you in favor of law and order i'm in favor of law you following are you in favor of the law you asked the question all in order with justice where people get treated fairly and the fact of the matter is violent crime went down 17 15 percent in our administration it's gone up on his watch went down much more he has all right mr president mr president every record mr president you're going to be very happy because we're not going to talk about law in order because we had trouble with democratic-run cities that's exactly my question there has been a dramatic increase in homicides in america this summer particularly and you often blame that on democratic mayors and democratic governors but in fact there have been equivalent spikes in republican-led cities like tulsa and fort worth so the question is is this really a party issue i think it's a party issue you can bring in a couple of examples but if you look at chicago what's going on in chicago where 53 people were shot and eight died shot if you look at new york where it's going up like nobody's ever seen anything the numbers are going up a hundred hundred and fifty two hundred percent uh crime it is crazy what's going on and he doesn't want to say law and order because he can't because he'll lose his radical left supporters and once he does that it's over with but if he ever got to run this country and they ran it the way he would want to run it we would have our suburbs would be gone by the way our suburbs would be gone and you would see problems like he wouldn't know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn oh i know celebrities i was raised in the suburbs this is not 1950. all these dog whistles and racism don't work anymore suburbs are by and large integrated there's many people today driving their kids to soccer practice and or to black and white and hispanic in the same car as there have been any time in the past what's what really is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with covet they're dying in the suburbs his failure to deal with the environment they're being flooded they're being burned out because his refusal to do anything that's why the suburbs are interested i do want to talk about this issue of law and order though and in the joint recommendation that came from the biden bernie sanders task force you talked about quote reimagining policing first of all what does reimagining policing mean and do you support it let me if i might finish the question what does reimagining policing mean and do you support the black lives matter uh call for uh for community control of policing look what i support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face and i'm not totally opposed to defunding the police officers as a matter of fact police local police the only one defunding in his budget calls for a 400 million dollar cut in local law enforcement assistants they need more assistance they need when they show up for a 9 11 call to have someone with them as a psychologist or psychiatrist to keep them from having to use force and be able to talk people down we have to have community policing like we had before where the officers get to know the people in the communities that's when crime went down it didn't go up it went down and so we have to be in that's not what they're talking about chris that's not where they are he's talking about defunding the police that is not true he doesn't have any law support he has no law enforcement that's not true that's not look who do you have name one group that supports you name one group that came out and supported you go ahead i think we have time we don't have time to do anything all right one law enforcement group that came back gentlemen i think i'm going to i'm going to take back the moderators and i want to get to another subject which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent in portland oregon especially we had a more than a hundred straight days of protests which i think you would agree you talk about peaceful protests many of those turned into riots mr vice president you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable the question i have though is as the democratic nominee and earlier tonight you said that you are the democratic party right now have you ever called the democratic mayor of portland or the democratic governor of oregon and said hey you've got to stop this bring in the national guard do whatever it takes but you'd stop the days and months of violence in portland i don't hold public office now i am a former vice president i've made it clear i've made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted it should be prosecuted and anyone who commits it but you've never called excuse me sir you had never called for the leaders in portland and in oregon to call us bring in the national guard and knock off a hundred days of riots they can in fact take care of it if you just stay out of the way look here oh really here oh really here's the thing i asked her to get the killer of the young man in the middle of the street and they shot him and for three days president trump importantly didn't do anything for go ahead sir and by the way you know his own former spokesperson said you know riots and chaos and violence helpless cause that's what this is all about i don't know who said that i do who i think kellyanne conway i don't think she said she said that and so here's that all right but here's the point the point is that that's what he is keeps trying to rile everything up he doesn't want to calm things down instead of going in and talking to people and saying let's get everybody together figure out how to deal with this what's he do he just pours gasoline in the fire constantly and every single solitary okay and to end this button up this segment i'm going to give you a minute to answer sir you have repeatedly criticized i have to answer his stuff you haven't stated no you've been talking you made a statement i'm asking you i would love to know sir i would love to you know if you want to switch seats we could very you have repeatedly criticized the the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups but are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in kenosha and as we've seen in portland let's do it i would say almost everything i see is from the left wing not from the right what are you what are you doing what are you saying i'm i'm willing to do anything i want to see peace say it do it say it do you want to call him what do you want to call him give me your name give me a white surprise and write pressure boys stand back and stand by but i'll tell you what i'll tell you what somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem this is a left-handed director this is a left-wing white supremacist antifa is an idea not an organization you've got it not malicious that's what is your administration tells you the truth is it has a bad idea i tell you what you have no idea antifa is a danger all right gentlemen we're now moving on to the trump records they'll overthrow you when a president i'm going to ask a question when the president seeks a second term it is generally a referendum on his record but vice president biden you like to quote one of your dad's sayings which is don't compare me to the almighty compare me to the alternative and in this case sir you are the alternative looking at both of your records i'm going to ask each of you why should voters elect you president over your opponent in this segment president trump you go first two minutes because there has never been an administration or president who has done more than i've done in a period of three and a half years and that's despite the impeachment hoax and you saw what happened today with hillary clinton where it was a whole big con job but despite going through all of these things where i had to fight both flanks and behind me and above there has never been an administration that's done what i've done the greatest before covert came in the greatest economy in history lowest employ unemployment numbers everything was good everything was going and by the way there was unity going to happen people were calling me for the first time in years they were calling and they were saying it's time maybe and then what happened we got hit but now we're building it back up again a rebuilding of the military including space force and all of the other things a a fixing of the the va which was a mess under him 308 000 people died because they didn't have proper health care he was a mess and we now got a 91 approval rating at the va our vets we take care of our vets but we've rebuilt our military the job that we've done and i'll tell you something some people say maybe the most important by the end of the first term i'll have approximately 300 federal judges and court of appeals judges 300 and hopefully three great supreme court judges justices that is a record the likes of which very few people and you know one of the reasons i'll have so many judges because president obama and him left me 128 judges to fill when you leave office you don't leave any judges that's like you just don't do that they left 128 openings and if i were a member of his party because they have a little different philosophy i'd say if you left us 128 openings you can't be a good president you can't be a good vice president but i want to thank you because it gives us almost it'll probably be above that number by the end of this term 300 judges it's a record looking at both your records why should voters elect you president as opposed to president trump you have two minutes uninterrupted under this president we become weaker sicker poor more divided and more violent when i was vice president we inherited a recession i was asked to fix it i did we left him a booming economy and he caused the recession with regard to being weaker the fact is that i've gone head-to-head with putin and made it clear to him we're not going to take any of his stuff he's putin's puppy he still refuses to even say anything to putin about the bounty on the heads of american soldiers your son no no no million dollars and by the way mr president wait a minute mr president your campaign agreed to both sides would get two minute answers uninterrupted well your your side agreed to it and why don't you observe what your campaign agreed to as a ground rule okay sir he never keeps his words no no i'm all right go ahead so thirdly we're poor the billionaires have gotten much much more wealthy by a tune of over three to four hundred billion dollars more just since covent you in the home you got less you're in more trouble than you were before in terms of being more violent when we were in office there were 15 percent less violence in america than there is today he's president united states it's on his watch and with regard to more divided the nation can't stay divided we can't be this way and speaking of my son the way you talk about the military the way you talk about them being losers and being and and and just being suckers my son was in iraq he spent a year there he got he got the bronze star he got the conspicuous service medal he was not a loser he was a patriot and the people left behind there were heroes and i resent you talking like hunter are you talking about i'm talking about my son beau biden you're talking i don't know i don't know bo i know hunter hunter got thrown hunter got thrown out of the military he was thrown out dishonorably discharged that's not true he wasn't cocaine use and he didn't have a job until you became vice president what do you mean he made a fortune in ukraine in china in moscow that is simply various of the places true my son fortunately generally my son and he didn't have a joke my son like a lot of people like a lot of people we know at home had a drug problem he's overtaken it he's he's he's fixed it he's worked on it and i'm proud of him but why was he out of my sight all right but he wasn't giving 10 million that is totally president totally you've already been through totally credited we've both we've already been through this i think the american people would rather hear about more substantial subjects well you know as the moderator sir i'm going to make a judgment call here three and a half million dollars from the mayor of moscow i think that romney on that committee said it wasn't worth taxpayers money that reporter was written for political reasons you know i'd like to talk about climate change so would i okay the forest fires in the west are raging now they have burned millions of acres they have displaced hundreds of thousands of people when state officials there blame the fires on climate change mr president you said i don't think the science knows over your four years you have pulled the us out of the paris climate accord you have rolled back a number of obama environmental records what do you believe about the science of climate change and what will you do in the next four years to confront it i want crystal clean water and air i want beautiful clean air we have now the lowest carbon if you look at our numbers right now we are doing phenomenally but i haven't destroyed our businesses our businesses aren't put out of commission if you look at the paris accord it was a disaster from our standpoint and people are actually very happy about what's going on because our businesses are doing well as far as the fires are concerned you need forest management in addition to everything else the forest floors are loaded up with trees dead trees that are years old and they're like tinder and leaves and everything else you drop a cigarette in there the whole forest burns down you've got to have forest management what do you believe what do you believe about the science of climate change sir i believe that we have to do everything we can to have immaculate air immaculate water and do whatever else we can that's good you know we're planting a billion trees the billion tree project and it's very expensive you believe that that human pollution gas greenhouse gas emissions contributes to the global warming i think a lot of things do but i think to an extent yes i think to an extent yes but i also think we have to do better management of our forests every year i get the call california's burning california's burning if that was cleaned if that were if you had forest management good forest management you wouldn't be getting those calls you know in europe they live their forest cities they call forest cities they maintain their forest they manage their forests i was with the head of a major country it's a forest city he said sir we have trees that are far more they they ignite much easier than california there shouldn't be that problem i spoke with the governor about it i'm getting along very well with the governor but i said you know at some point you can't every year have hundreds of thousands of acres of land just burned to the ground that's burning down because of a lack of sir if you believe in the science of climate change why have you rolled back the obama clean power plan which limited carbon emissions in power plants why have you relaxed because it was driving energy prices through the sky why have you relaxed fuel economy standards that are going to create more pollution from cars well not really because what's happening is the car is much less expensive and it's a much safer car and you're talking about a tiny difference and then what would happen because of the cost of the car you would have at least double and triple the number of cars purchased we have the old slugs out there that are 10 12 years old if you did that the car would be safer it would be much cheaper but they've simply take a lot of cars off the market because people would be able to afford a car now so and by the way we're going to see how that turns out but a lot of people agree with me many people the car has gotten so expensive because they have computers all over the place for an extra little bit okay of gasoline and and i'm okay with electric cars too i think i'm all for electric cars i've given big incentives for electric cars but what they've done in california is just crazy vice president biden i'd like you to to respond to the president's climate change record but i also want to ask you about a concern you proposed two trillion dollars in green jobs you talked about new limits not abolishing but new limits on fracking ending the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity by 2035 and zero net emission of greenhouse gases by 2050. the president says a lot of these things would tank the economy and cost millions of jobs he's absolutely wrong number one number two if in fact when our during our administration the recovery act i was able i was in charge able to bring down the cost of renewable energy to cheaper than or as cheap as coal and gas and oil nobody's going to build another coal-fired plant in america no one's going to build another oil-fired plant in america they're going to move to renewable energy number one number two we're going to make sure that we are able to take the federal fleet and turn it into a fleet that's run their electric vehicles making sure that we can do that we're going to put 500 000 charging stations and all of the highways that we're going to be building in the future we're going to build a economy that in fact is going to provide for the ability us to take four million buildings and make sure that they in fact are weatherized in a way that in fact they'll emit significantly less gas and oil because the heat will not be going out there's so many things that we can do now to create thousands and thousands of jobs we can get to net zero in terms of energy production by 2035 not only not costing people jobs creating jobs creating millions of good paying jobs not 15 bucks an hour but prevailing wage by having a new infrastructure that in fact is green and the first thing i will do i will rejoin the paris accord i will join the paris accord because with us out of it look what's happening it's all falling apart and talk about someone who has no no relationship to with foreign policy brazil the rainforest of brazil are being torn down or being ripped down more more carbon is absorbed in that rainforest than every bit of carbon that's admitted in the united states instead of doing something about that i would be gathering up and making sure we had to come the countries of the world coming up with 20 billion dollars say here's 20 billion dollars stop stop tearing down the forest and if you don't then you're going to have significant economic consequences what about the argument that president trump basically says that you have to balance environmental interests and economic interests and he's drawn his line well he hadn't drawn a line he still for example make sure that we he wants to make sure that methane is not a problem we can you can now emit more methane without it being a problem methane this is a guy who says that you don't have to have mileage standards for automobiles that exist now this is the guy who says that well the fact that it's all true and here's talking about the green new deal and it's not 2 billion or 20 billion as you said it's 100 trillion dollars i'm talking about they want to rip down buildings and rebuild the building it's the most redundant where airplanes are out of business where two car systems are out where they want to take out the cows too you know that's not true either right this is a this is a 100 trillion that's more money than our country could make in hundred years it would not be the case all right let me let me let me just because i actually wait a minute sir i actually have studied your plan and it includes upgrading four million buildings weatherizing two million hounds over four years building one and a half million energy efficient homes so the question becomes some the president is saying i think some people who support the president would say that sounds like it's going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy what it's going to do it's going to create thousands and millions of jobs good paying jobs let them finish sir he doesn't know how to do that 100 billion the fact is it's going to create millions of good paying jobs and these tax incentives to people for people to weatherize which he wants to get get rid of it's going to make the economy much safer look how much we're paying now to deal with the hurricanes with the deal with by the way he has an answer for hurricanes he said maybe we should drop a nuclear weapon on them they may i never said that he did she made it up uh and here's the deal you make up we are going to be in a position where we can create hard hard good jobs by making sure the environment is clean and we all are in better shape we spend billions of dollars now billions of dollars on floods hurricanes rising seas we're in real trouble look what's happening just in the midwest with these storms that come through and wipe out entire sections and counties in iowa they didn't happen before they're because of global warming we make up 15 percent of the world's problem we in fact but the rest of the world we've got to get them to come along that's why we have to get back into back into the paris accord all right gentlemen wait a minute chris so why didn't he do it for 47 years you were vice president why didn't you get the world china sends up real dirt into the air russia does india does they all do we're supposed to be good and by the way he made a couple of statements the green new deal is a hundred trillion dollars that is not my plan that's three well you want to rebuild everything my plans he said i said something about the military he and his friends made it up and then they went with it i never said it okay that is the vice president the final question is i can't remember which of all israelis i'm having a little trouble myself but uh and about the economy and about this question of what it's going to cost the the economy i mean the green new deal and the idea of what what your environmental changes will do the green new deal will pay for itself as we move forward we're not going to build plants that in fact are great polluting plants but you're going to build a brand new deal pardon me you support no i don't support the green new deal don't oh well that's a big statement i support you just the radical left i support the biden plan that i put forward okay the biden plan which is different than what he calls the radical green new deal all right gentlemen final segment election integrity as we meet tonight millions of americans are receiving mail-in ballots or going to vote early how confident should we be that this will be a fair election and what are you prepared to do over the next five plus weeks because it'll not only be to election day but also counting some ballots mail-in ballots after election day what are you prepared to do to reassure the american people that the next president will be the legitimate winner of this election in this final segment mr vice president you go first prepare to let people vote they should go to iwillvote.com decide how they're going to vote when they're going to vote and what means by which they're going to vote his own homeland security director as well as the fbi director says there is no evidence at all that mail and ballots are a source of of being manipulated and cheating they said that the fact is that there are going to be millions of people because of covet that are going to be voting by mail-in ballots like he does by the way he sits behind the resolute desk and sends his ballot to florida number one number two we're going to make sure that those people who want to vote in person are able to vote because enough poll watchers are there to make sure they can socially distance the polls are open on time and their polls stay open until the votes are counted and this is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because he's trying to con to scare people into thinking that it's not going to be legitimate show up and vote you will determine the outcome of this election vote vote vote if you're able to vote early in your state vote early if you're able to vote in person vote in person vote whatever way is the best way for you because you will he cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election and in terms of whether or not when the votes are counted and they're all counted that will be accepted if i win that will be accepted if i lose it'll be accepted but by the way if in fact he says he's not sure what he's going to accept well let me tell you something it doesn't matter because if we get the votes it's going to be all over he's going to go he can't stay in power it won't happen it won't happen so vote just make sure you understand you have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years is it going to change you get four more years of these lies mr president two minutes so when i listened to joe talking about a transition there's been no transition from when i won i won that election and if you look at crooked hillary clinton if you look at all of the different people there was no transition because they came after me trying to do a coup they came after me spying on my campaign they started from the day i won and even before i won from the day i came down the escalator with our first lady they were a disaster they were a disgrace to our country and we've caught them we've caught them all we've got it all on tape we've caught them all and by the way you gave the idea for the logan act against general flynn you better take a look at that because we caught you in a sense and president obama was sitting in the office he knew about it too so don't tell me about a free transition as far as the ballots are concerned it's a disaster a solicited ballot okay solicit it is okay you're so listening you're asking they send it back you send it back i did that if you have an unsolicited they're sending millions of ballots all over the country there's fraud they found him in creeks they found some with the name trump just happened to have the name trump just the other day in a waste paper basket they're being sent all over the place they sent two in a democrat area they sent out a thousand ballots everybody got two ballots this is going to be a fraud like you've never seen the other thing it's nice on november 3rd you're watching and you see who won the election and i think we're going to do well because people are really happy with the job we've done but you know what we won't know we might not know for months because these ballots are going to be all over take a look at what happened in manhattan take a look at what happened in new jersey take a look at what happened in virginia and other places they're not losing two percent one percent which by the way is too much an election could be won or lost with that they'll listen 30 and 40 it's a fraud and it's a shame and can you imagine where they say uh you have to have your ballot in by november 10th november 10th that means that's seven days after the election in theory should have been announced okay we have made your states with that sir all run by democrats is two minutes all run by democrats president trump it's a regular you're going to be able to continue you have been charging for months and mail-in balloting is going to be a disaster you say it's rigged that it's going to lead to fraud but in 2018 in the last midterm election 31 million people voted mail-in voting that was a quarter more than a quarter of all the voters that year cast their ballots by mail now that millions of mail-in ballots have gone out what are you going to do about it and are you counting on the supreme court including a justice barrett to settle any dispute yeah i think i'm counting on them to look at the ballots definitely i don't think well i hope we don't need them in terms of the election itself but for the ballots i think so because what's happening is incredible i just heard i read today where at least one percent of the ballots for 2016 were invalidated they they take them we don't like them we don't like them they throw them out there are do is you millions of ballots you do a solicited ballot no no that's okay i know where you're going i'm asking you about the fact that millions of people you go and vote you go and vote like they used to millions of people you either do chris a solicited ballot where you're sending it in they're sending it back and you're sending they have mailman with lots of it did you see what's going on take a look at west virginia mailman selling the ballots they're being sold they're being dumped in rivers this is a horrible thing for our country there is no this is not there is no this is not going to end well there is okay this is not going to vice president obama five states we have had mailing ballots for the last decade or more five including two republican states and you don't have to solicit the ballot it's sent to you it's sent to your home what we're saying is they're saying is that has to be a postmark by the time by election day if it doesn't get in until the seventh eighth ninth it still should be counted he's just afraid of counting the votes because you're wrong i want to continue with you on this vice president biden because he's so wrong when he makes what's happening excuse me vice president biden the biggest problem in fact over the years with mail-in voting has not been fraud historically it has been that sizable numbers sometimes hundreds of thousands of ballots are thrown out because they have not been properly filled out or there is some other irregularity or they must be the deadline so the question i have is are you concerned that the supreme court with a justice barrett will settle any dispute i'm concerned that any court would settle this because here's the deal when you when you file when you get a ballot and you fill it out you're supposed to have an affidavit if you didn't know you have someone say that this is me you should be able to if in fact you can verify that you when the before the ballot is thrown out that's sufficient to be able to count the ballot because someone made a mistake and not dotting the correct eye who they voted for testify say who they voted for say it's you that is totally legitimate all right excited when you have a 50 million dollars you you know it can't be done you know it can't and already all right election workers are prohibited currently by law eight states from even beginning to process ballots even take them out of the envelopes and flatten them until election day that means that it's likely because there's going to be a huge increase in mail-in balloting that we are not going to know on election night who the winner is that it could be days it could be weeks until we find out who the the new president is so i first for you sir finally for the for the vice president i hope neither of you will interrupt the other will you urge your supporters to stay calm during this extended period not to engage in any civil unrest and will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified president trump thank you for joining my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that's what has to happen i am urging them to do it as you know today there was a big problem in philadelphia they went in to watch they were called poll watchers a very safe very nice thing they were thrown out they weren't allowed to watch you know why because bad things happen in philadelphia bad things and i am urging i am marriaging my people i hope it's going to be a fair election if it's a fair election i am hundred percent on board but if i see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated i can't go along with that and i'll tell you what from a common sense does that mean you're going to tell your other people it means you have a fraudulent election you're sending out 80 million these people aren't equipped to handle it number one number two they cheat they cheat hey they found ballots in a waste paper basket three days ago and they all had the name military ballots they were military they all had the name trump on them vice versa i think that's good vice president biden final question for you will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted and will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified yes and here's the deal when you count the ballots as you pointed out some of these ballots in some states can't even be opened until election day and if there's thousands of ballots going to take time to do it and by the way our military they've been voting by ballots first since at the end of the civil war in effect and that's and that's what's happened going to happen why was it not why is it for them somehow not fraudulent it's the same process it's honest no one has established at all that there is fraud related to male imbalance that somehow it's a fraudulent process it's already been established take a look at carolyn maloney's race you had an opportunity they have no idea why is president go ahead he has no idea what he's talking about here's the deal the fact is i will accept it and he will too you know why because once the winner is declared after all the all the ballots are counted all the votes are counted that'll be the end of it that'll be the end of it and if it's me in fact fine if it's not me i'll support the outcome and i'll be a president not just for the democrats i'll be a president for democrats and republicans and this guy i want to say honestly gentlemen you say that's the end of this this is the end of this debate this ballot count we're going to leave it there uh to be continued as in more debates as we go on uh president trump vice president biden it's been an interesting hour and a half i want to thank you both for participating in the first of three debates that you have agreed to engage in we want to thank case western reserve university and the cleveland clinic for hosting this event the next debate sponsored by the commission on presidential debates will be one week from tomorrow october 7th at the university of utah in salt lake city the two vice presidential nominees vice president mike pence and senator kamala harris will debate at 9 pm eastern that night we hope you watch until then thank you and good night thank you so [Applause] president the greatest president of all [Music] time

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