Trump v Biden: The Final Debate

good evening from belmont university in nashville tennessee i'm kristen welker of nbc news and i welcome you to the final 2020 presidential debate between president donald j trump and former vice president joe biden tonight's debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates it is conducted under health and safety protocols designed by the commission's health security advisor the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent no cheers boos or other interruptions except right now as we welcome to the stage former vice president joe biden and president donald j trump and i do want to say a very good evening to both of you this debate will cover six major topics at the beginning of each section each candidate will have two minutes uninterrupted to answer my first question the debate commission will then turn on their microphone only when it is their turn to answer and the commission will turn it off exactly when the two minutes have expired after that both microphones will remain on but on behalf of the voters i'm going to ask you to please speak one at a time the goal is for you to hear each other and for the american people to hear every word of what you both have to say and so with that if you're ready let's start and we will begin with the fight against the coronavirus president trump the first question is for you the country is heading into a dangerous new phase more than 40 000 americans are in the hospital tonight with kovid including record numbers here in tennessee and since the two of you last shared a stage 16 000 americans have died from covid so please be specific how would you lead the country during this next stage of the coronavirus crisis two minutes uninterrupted so as you know 2.2 million people modeled out were expected to die we closed up the greatest economy in the world in order to fight this horrible disease that came from china it's a worldwide pandemic it's all over the world you see the spikes in europe and many other places right now if you notice the mortality rate is down 85 percent uh the excess mortality rate is way down and much lower than almost any other country and we're fighting it and we're fighting it hard there is a spike there was a spike in florida and it's now gone there was a very big spike in texas it's now gone there was a very big spike in arizona it's now gone and there are some spikes and surges and other places they will soon be gone we have a vaccine that's coming it's ready it's going to be announced within weeks and it's going to be delivered we have operation warp speed which is the military is going to distribute the vaccine i can tell you from personal experience that i was in the hospital i had it and i got better and i will tell you that i had something that they gave me a therapeutic i guess they would call it some people could say was a cure but uh i was in for a short period of time and i got better very fast or i wouldn't be here tonight and now they say i'm immune whether it's four months or a lifetime nobody's been able to say that but i'm immune more and more people are getting better we have a problem that's a worldwide problem this is a worldwide problem but i've been congratulated by the heads of many countries on what we've been able to do with the if you if you take a look at what we've done in terms of goggles and masks and gowns and everything else and in particular ventilators we're now making ventilators all over the world thousands and thousands a month distributing them all over the world it will go away and as i say we're rounding the turn we're rounding the corner it's going away okay former vice president biden to you how would you lead the country out of this crisis you have two minutes uninterrupted 220 000 americans dead if you hear nothing else i say tonight hear this anyone is responsible for not taking control in fact not saying i'm i take no responsibility initially anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the united states of america we're in a situation where there are a thousand deaths a day now a thousand deaths a day and there are over 70 000 new cases per day compared to what's going on in europe as the new england medical journal said they're starting from a very low rate we're starting from a very high rate the expectation is we'll have another 200 000 americans dead be timed between now and the end of the year if we just wore these masks the president's own advisors have told him we could save a hundred thousand lives and we're in a circumstance where the president thus far and still has no plan no comprehensive plan what i would do is make sure we have everyone encouraged to wear a mask all the time i would make sure we move in the direction of rapid testing investing in rapid testing i would make sure that we set up national standards as to how to open up schools and open up businesses so they can be safe and give them the wherewithal the financial resources to be able to do that we're in a situation now where the new england medical journal one of the serious most serious journals in the in the whole world said for the first time ever that this the way this president has responded to this crisis has been absolutely tragic and so folks i will take care of this i will end this i will make sure we have a plan president trump i'd like to follow up with you and your comments you talked about taking a therapeutic i assume you're referencing regeneron you also said a vaccine will be coming within weeks is that a guarantee is no it's not a guarantee but it will be by the end of the year but i think it has a good chance there are two companies i think within a matter of weeks and it will be distributed very quickly can you tell us which companies johnson johnson is doing very well moderner is doing very well pfizer's doing very well and we have numerous others then we also have others that we're working on very closely with other countries in particular europe let me follow up with you because this is new information you have said a vaccine is coming soon within weeks now your own officials say it could take well into 2021 at the earliest for enough americans to get vaccinated and even then they say the country will be wearing masks and distancing into 2022. is your timeline realistic no i think my timeline is going to be more accurate i don't know that they're counting on the military the way i do but we have our generals lined up one in particular that's the head of logistics and this is a very easy distribution for him he's ready to go as soon as we have the vaccine and we expect to have a hundred million vials as soon as we have the vaccine he's ready to go vice president biden your reaction and just 40 percent of americans say they would definitely agree to take a coronavirus vaccine if it was approved by the government what steps would you take to give americans confidence in a vaccine if it were approved make sure it's totally transparent have the scientists of the world see it know it look at it go through all the processes and by the way he's this is the same fellow who told you this is going to end by easter last time this is the same fellow who told you that don't worry we're going to end this by the summer we're about to go into a dark winter a dark winter and he has no clear plan and there's no prospect that there's going to be a vaccine available for the majority of the american people before the middle of next year president trump your reaction he says you have no plan have a dark winter and at all we're opening up our country we've learned and studied and understand the disease which we didn't at the beginning when i closed and banned china from coming in heavily infected and then ultimately europe but china was in january months later he was saying i was xenophobic i did it too soon now he's saying oh i should have i should have you know moved quicker but he didn't move quicker he was months behind me many months behind me and frankly he ran the h1 n1 swine flu and it was a total disaster far less lethal but it was a total disaster had that had this kind of numbers 700 000 people would be dead right now but it was a far less lethal disease look his own person who ran that for him who as you know was his uh chief of staff said it was catastrophic it was horrible we didn't know what we were doing now he comes up and he tells us how to do this also everything that he said about the way every single move that he said we should make that's what we've done we've done all of it but he was way behind us vice president biden your response my response is he is xenophobic but not because he shut down access from china and he did it late after 40 countries had already done that in addition to that what he did he made sure that we had 44 people that were in there in china trying to get to wuhan to determine what exactly the source was what did the president say in january he said no he said this is he's being transparent the president of china is being transparent we owe more debt of gratitude we ought to we have to thank him and and then what happened was we started talking about using the defense act to make sure we go out and get whatever is needed out there to protect people and again i go back to this he had nothing he did virtually nothing and then he gets out of the hospital and he talks about where this is oh don't worry it's all going to be over soon come on there's not another serious scientist in the world who thinks it's going to be over soon president trump your reaction over soon i say we're learning to live with it we have no choice we can't lock ourselves up in a basement like joe does he has the he has the ability to lock himself up i don't know he's obviously made a lot of money someplace but he has this thing about living in a basement people can't do that by the way i as the president couldn't do that i'd love to put myself in the basement or in a beautiful room in the white house and go away for a year and a half until it disappears i can't do that and kirsten every every meeting i had every meeting i had and i'd meet a lot of families including gold star families and military families every meeting i had and i had to meet them i had to it would be horrible to have cancelled everything i said you know this is dangerous and you catch it and you know i caught it i learned a lot i learned a lot great doctors great hospitals and now i recovered 99.9 of young people recover 99 of people recover we have to recover we can't close up our nature we have to open our school and we can't close up our nation or you're not going to have a nation and of course the cdc has said young people can get sick with covet 19 and can pass it vice president biden i want to talk broadly about strategy though you respond to that 30 seconds please and i have a question no number one he says that we're uh you know we're learning to live with it people are learning to die with it you folks home will have an empty chair at the kitchen table this morning that man or wife going to bed tonight and reaching over to try to touch their out of habit where their wife or husband was is gone learning to live with it come on we're dying with it because he has never said he said it's dangerous when's the last time is it really dangerous still are we dangerous you tell the people it's dangerous now what should they do about the danger and you say i take no responsibility let me talk about your truth excuse me i take it i take full responsibility it's not my fault that it came here it's china's fault and you know what it's not joe's fault that it came here either it's china's fault they kept it from going into the rest of china for the most part but they didn't keep it from coming out to the world including europe and ourselves vice president biden the fact is that when we knew it was coming when it hit what happened what did the president say he said don't worry it's going to go away be gone by easter don't worry the warm weather don't worry maybe inject bleach he said he was kidding when he said that a lot of people thought it was serious a whole range of things the president has said even today he thinks we are in control we're about to lose 200 000 more people president trump look perhaps just to finish this i was kidding on that but just to finish this when i closed he said i shouldn't have closed and that went on for months nancy pelosi said the same thing she was dancing on the streets in chinatown in san francisco but when i closed he said this is a terrible thing you xenophobic i think he called me racist even and because i was closing it to china now he says i should have closed it earlier it just joe it doesn't work i didn't say either of those things you certainly did i talked about a xenophobia in a different context it wasn't about closing the border to chinese coming to the united states all right i want to talk about both of your different strategies to handle i thought i shouldn't have closed the border well that's obvious is that do you want to respond to that quickly vice president okay let's talk about your different strategies toward dealing with this mr vice president you suggested you would support new shutdowns if scientists recommended it what do you say to americans who are fearful that the cost of shutdowns the impact on the economy the higher rates of hunger depression domestic and substance abuse outweighs the risk of exposure to the virus what i would say is i'm going to shut down the virus not the country it's his ineptitude that caused the violence caused the country to have to shut down in large part why businesses have gone under why schools are closed why so many people have lost their living and why they're concerned those other concerns are real that's why he should have been instead of in the sand trap in his golf course he should have been negotiating with nancy pelosi and the rest of the democrats and republicans about what to do about the acts they were passing for billions of dollars to make sure people had the capacity but you haven't ruled out more shutdowns well no i i'm not shutting down the name but there are look they need standards the standard is if you have a reproduction rate in a community that's above a certain level everybody says slow up more social distancing do not open bars and do not open gymnasiums do not open until you get this under control under more control but when you do open give the people the capacity to be able to open and have the capacity to do it safely for example schools schools they need a lot of money to open they need to deal with ventilation systems they need to deal with smaller classes more teachers more pods and he's refused to support that money or at least up to now let's talk about schools president trump i think we have to respond if i might please and then i have a follow-up thank you and i appreciate that look all he does is talk about shutdowns but forget about him his democrat governors cuomo in new york you look at what's going on in california you look at pennsylvania north carolina democrats democrats all they're shut down so tight and they're dying they're dying and he supports all these people all he talks about is shutdowns no we're not going to shut down and we have to open our schools and it's like as an example i have a young son he also tested positive by the time i spoke to the doctor the second time he was fine it just went away young people i guess it's their immune system let me follow up with you president trump you've demanded schools open in person and insist they can do it safely but just yesterday boston became the latest city to move its public school system entirely online after a coronavirus spike what is your message to parents who worry that sending their children to school will endanger not only their kids but also their teachers and families i want to open the schools the transmittal rate to the teachers is very small but i want to open the schools we have to open our country we're not going to have a country you can't do this we can't keep this country close this is a massive country with a massive economy people are losing their jobs they're committing suicide there's depression alcohol drugs at a level that nobody's ever seen before there's abuse tremendous abuse we have to open our country you know i've said it often the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself and that's what's happening and he wants to close down he'll close down the country if one person in our in our massive bureaucracy says we should close it down vice president biden simply not true we ought to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time we ought to be able to safely open but would they need resources to open you need to be able to for example if you're going to open a business have social distancing within the business you need to have if you have a restaurant you need to have plexiglas dividers so people cannot infect one another you need to be in a position where you can take testing rapidly and know whether a person is in fact infected you need to be able to trace you need to be able to provide all the resources that are needed to do this and that is not inconsistent with saying that what we're going to make sure that we open safely and by the way all you teachers out there not that many of you are going to die so don't worry about it so don't worry about it come on president trump let me follow up with you quickly i will say this if you go and look at what's happened to new york it's a ghost town it's a ghost town and when you talk about plexiglas these are restaurants that are dying these are businesses with no money putting a plexiglass is unbelievably expensive and it's not the answer i mean you're going to sit there in a cubicle wrapped around with plastic it's these are businesses that are dying joe you can't do that to people you just can't take a look at new york and what's happened to my wonderful city for for so many years i loved it it was vibrant it's dying everyone's leaving new york take a look at what new york has done in terms of turning the curve down in terms of the number of people dying and i don't look at this in terms of the way he does blue states and red states they're all the united states and look at the states that are having such a spike in the coronavirus they're the red states they're the states in the midwest of the states in the upper midwest that's where the spike is occurring significantly but they're all americans they're all americans and what we have to do is say wear these masks number one make sure we get the help that the businesses need that has monies already been passed to do that it's been out there since the beginning of the summer and nothing's happened president new york has lost more than 40 000 people 11 000 people in nursing president trump what did you say take a look at what's happening in pennsylvania where they've had it closed take a look at what's happening with your friend in michigan where her husband's the only one allowed to do anything it's been like a prison now it was just ruled unconstitutional take a look at north carolina they're having spikes and they've been closed and they're getting killed financially we can't let that happen joe you can't let that happen we have to open up and we understand the disease we have to protect our seniors we have to protect our elderly we have to protect especially our seniors with heart problems and diabetes problems and we will protect we have the best testing in the world by far that's why we have so many cases let me follow up with you before we move on to our next section president trump this week you called dr anthony fauci the nation's best known infectious disease expert quote a disaster you described him and other medical experts as quote idiots if you're not listening to them who are you listening to i'm listening to all of them including anthony i get along very well with anthony but he did say don't wear masks he did say as you know this is not going to be a problem i think he's a democrat but that's okay he said this is not going to be a problem we are not going to have a problem at all when joe says that i said anthony fauci said and others and many others and i'm not knocking him a lot nobody knew look nobody knew what this thing was nobody knew where it was coming from what it was we've learned a lot but anthony said don't wear masks now he wants to wear masks anthony also said if you look back exact words here's his exact words this is no problem this is going to go away soon so he's allowed to make mistakes he happens to be a good person vice president biden your response quickly and then we're going to move on to the next section our response is that think about what the president knew in january and didn't tell the american people he was told this was a serious virus that spread in the air and it was much worse than much worse than the flu he went on record and said to one of your colleagues recorded that in fact he knew how dangerous it was but he didn't want to tell us he didn't want to tell us because he didn't want us to panic he didn't want us americans don't panic he panicked but guess what in the meantime we find out in the new york times the other day that in fact his folks went to wall street and said this is a really dangerous thing and a memo out of that meeting not from his administration but from some of the brokers said sell short because we've got to get moving it's a dangerous problem well this is i'm going to give you 30 seconds to respond and then the wall street i don't know somebody went to wall street you're the one that takes all the money from wall street i don't take it you have raised a lot of money tremendous amounts of money and every time you raise money deals are made you know i could raise so much more money as president and as somebody that knows most of those people i could call the heads of wall street the heads of every company in america i would blow away every record but i don't want to do that because it puts me in a bad position and then you bring up wall street you shouldn't be bringing up wall street because you're the one that takes the money from wall street not me i could blow away your records that like you wouldn't believe we don't need money we have plenty of money in fact we beat hillary clinton with a tiny fraction of the money that she was able all right gentlemen don't tell me about your average contribution 43 dollars all right we're going to move on to our next section which is national security and i do want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from overnight just last night top intelligence officials confirmed again that both russia and iran are working to influence this election both countries have obtained u.s voter registration information these officials say and iran sent intimidating messages to florida voters this question goes to you mr vice president what would you do to put an end to this threat you have two minutes uninterrupted i made it clear and i ask everyone else to take the pledge i made it clear that any country no matter who it is that interferes in american elections will pay a price they will pay a price and it's been overwhelmingly clear this election i won't even get into the last one this election that russia has been involved china has been involved to some degree and now we learn that that that iran is involved they will pay a price if i'm elected they're interfering with american sovereignty that's what's going on right now they're interfering with american sovereignty and to the best of my knowledge i don't think the president said anything to putin about it i don't think he's stalking them a lot i don't think he said a word i don't know why he hadn't said a word to putin about it and i don't know what he has recently said if anything to the iranians my guess is he'd probably be more outspoken with regard to the iranians but the point is this folks we are in a situation where we have foreign company countries trying to interfere in the outcome of our election his old own national security advisor told him that what is happening with his buddy well i won't guess well i will his buddy rudy giuliani he's being used as a russian pawn he's being fed information that is russian that is not true and then what happens nothing happens and then you find out that everything is going on here about russia is wanting to make sure that i do not get elected the next president united states because they know i know them and they know me i don't understand why this president is unwilling to take on putin when he's actually paying bounties to kill american soldiers in afghanistan when he's engaged in activities that are trying to destabilize all of nato i don't know why he doesn't do it but it's worth asking the question why isn't that being done any country that interferes with us will in fact pay a price because they're affecting our sovereignty president trump same question to you let me let me ask the question you're gonna have two minutes to respond for two elections in a row now there has been substantial interference from foreign adversaries what would you do in your next term to put an end to this two minutes let me respond to the first part as joe answered joe got three and a half million dollars from russia and it came through putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of moscow and it was the mayor of moscow's wife and you got three and a half million dollars your family got three and a half million dollars and you know someday you're gonna have to explain why did you get three to half i never got any money from russia i don't get money from russia now about your thing last night i knew all about that and through john who was john ratliff who was fantastic dni he said the one thing that's common to both of them they both want you to lose because there has been nobody tougher to russia with between the sanctions nobody tougher than me on russia between the sanctions between all of what i've done with nato you know i've got the nato countries to put up an extra 130 billion going to 420 billion dollars a year that's to guard against russia i sold while he was selling pillows and sheets i sold tank busters to ukraine there has been nobody tougher than on russia than donald trump and i'll tell you they were so bad they took over the the submarine port you remember that very well during your term during you and barack obama they took over a big part of what should have been ukraine you handed it to them but you were getting a lot of money from russia they were paying you a lot of money and they probably still are but now with what came out today it's even worse all of the emails the emails the horrible emails of the kind of money that you were raking in you and your family and joe you were vice president when some of this was happening and it should have never happened and i think you owe an explanation to the american people why is it somebody just had a news conference a little while ago who was essentially supposed to work with you and your family but what he said was damning and regardless of me i think you have to clean it up and talk to the american people maybe you can do it right now vice president biden you may respond and then i do want to follow up on the election security i have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life we learned that this president paid 50 times the tax in china has a secret bank account with china does business in china and in fact is talking about me taking money i have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever ever number one number two this is a president i have released all of my tax returns 22 years go look at them 22 years of my tax return you have not released the single solitary year of your tax return what are you hiding why are you unwilling the foreign countries are paying you a lot russia's paying you a lot china's painting a lot and your hotels and all your businesses all around the country all around the world and china's building a new road to a new a golf course you have overseas so what's going on here why don't release your tax return or stop talking about corruption president trump your response first of all i called my accountants underwrought it i'm going to release them as soon as we can i want to do it and it'll show how successful how great this company is but much more importantly than that people were saying 750 i asked them a week ago i said what did i pay they said sir you prepaid tens of millions of dollars i prepaid my tax tens over the last number of years tens of millions of dollars i prepaid because at some point they think it's an estimate they think i may have to pay tax so i already prepaid it nobody told me that nobody told you that excuse me and it wasn't written whenever they write this they keep talking about 750 which i think is a filing fee but let me just tell you i prepaid millions and millions of dollars in taxes number one number two i don't make money from china you do i don't make money from ukraine you do i don't make money from russia you made three and a half million dollars joe and your son gave you they even have a statement that we have to give ten percent to the big man you're the big man i think i don't know maybe you're not but you're the big man i think your son said we have to give 10 to the big man joe what's that all about it's terrible all right gentlemen i want to ask you both some questions about all of this i'm going to let you both respond very quickly you just said you spoke to your accountant about potentially releasing your taxes did he tell you when you can release them do you have the deadline for when you're going to release it i get treated worse than the tea party got treated because i have a lot of people in there deep down in the irs they treat me horribly we made a deal it was all settled until i decide to run for president i get treated very badly by the irs very unfairly but we had a deal all done as soon as we're completed with the deal i want to release it but i have paid millions and millions of dollars and i it's worse than paying i paid in advance it's called pre-paying your taxes i paid in i want to ask you both about questions regarding your potential foreign entanglements and questions that have been raised to give you both a chance to talk about this more broadly respond very quickly and then i'll get to my question why did he's been saying this for four years show us just show us stop playing around you've been saying for four years you're gonna release your taxes nobody knows it mr president what they do know is you're not paying your taxes or you're paying taxes that are so low when last time he said what he paid he said i only pay that little because i'm smart i know how to game the system come on come on folks so president trump and then i want to get to two questions to both of you i was put through a phony witch hunt for three years it started before i even got elected they spied on my campaign no president should ever have to go through what i went through let me just say this mueller and 18 angry democrats and fbi agents all over the place spent 48 million dollars they went through everything i had including my tax returns and they found absolutely no collusion and nothing wrong 48 million i guarantee you if i spent 1 million on youtube i could find plenty wrong because the kind of things that you've done and the kind of monies that your family has taken i mean your brother made money in iraq millions of dollars your other brother made a fortune and it's all through you joe and they say you get some of it and you do live very well you have houses all over the place you live very well all right gentlemen let me just ask some questions about all of this broadly vice president biden there have been questions about the work your son has done in china and for a ukrainian energy company when you were vice president in retrospect was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical nothing was unethical here's what the deal with regard to ukraine we had this whole question about whether or not because he was on the board i later learned of a barisma a company that somehow i had done something wrong yet every single solitary person when he was going through his impeachment testifying under oath who worked for him said i did my job impeccably i carried out u.s policy not one single solitary thing was out of line not a single thing number one number two the guy who got in trouble in ukraine was this guy trying to bribe the ukrainian government to say something negative about me which they would not do and did not do because it never ever ever happened my son has not made money in terms of this thing about uh what are you talking about china i have not had the only guy who made money from china is this guy he's the only one nobody else has made money from china let me ask my question to you could i just one one thing very quickly my son didn't have a job for a long time was sadly no longer in the military service i won't get into that and he didn't have a job as soon as he became vice president barisma not the best look not the best reputation in the world i hear they paid him 183 000 a month listen to this 183 and they gave him a three million dollar upfront payment all right and he had no energy i'm gonna let the and then i need to vice president a question to you very no basis for that everybody investigated that no one said anything he did was wrong in ukraine okay president trump this is for you since you took office you've never divested from your business you've personally promoted your properties abroad a report this week which was referenced does indicate that your company has a bank account in china so how can voters know that you don't have any foreign conflicts of interest i have many bank accounts and they're all listed and they're all over the place i mean i was a businessman doing business the bank account you're referring to which is everybody knows about it it's listed the bank account was in 2013. that's what it was it was opened into it was closed in 2015 i believe and then i decided because i was going to do i was thinking about doing a deal in china like millions of other people i was thinking about it and i decided i'm not going to do it didn't like it i decided not to do it had an account open and i closed it okay excuse me and then unlike him where he's vice president and he does business i then decided to run for president after that that was before so i closed it before i even ran for president let alone became president big difference he is the vice president of the united states and his son his brother and his other brother are getting rich they're like a vacuum cleaner they're sucking up i do want to ask you vice president biden about china let's talk about china more broadly there have of course president trump has said that they should pay for not being fully transparent in regards to the coronavirus if you were president would you make china pay and please be specific what would that look like what i'd make china do is play by the international rules not like he has done he has caused the deficit of china to go up not down with china up not down we are making sure that in order to do business in china you have to give all your intellectual property you have to get a have a partner in china is 51 we would not do that at all number one number two we're in a situation where china would have to play by the rules internationally as well when i met with xi that and when i was still vice president he said we're setting up air identification zones in the in the south china sea you can't fly through them i said we're going to fly through them we just flew b-52 b-1 bombers through it we're not going to pay attention they have to play by the rules and what's he do he embraces guys like the thugs like in north korea and and uh and the chinese president and putin and others and he pokes his finger in the eye of all of our friends all of our allies we make up only we're 25 25 of the world's economy we need to be having the rest of our friends with us saying to china these are the rules you play by them or you're going to pay the price for not paying by them economically that's the way i will run it and that's what we did and upholding steel tariffs and a range of other things when we were president vice president all right let's talk about north korea let me know i have to respond to that okay very quickly and then we're going to move on three and a half dollars from chinatown after spending ten minutes in office and being in air force two number one number two there's a very strong email talking about your family wanting to make 10 million dollars a year for introductions president trump on china policy though what's new are you gonna do what specifically are you going to do to make china pay you you've said you're going to we're going to pay china is paying they're paying billions and billions of dollars i just gave 28 billion new sanctions i just gave 28 billion dollars to our farmers taxes it's what taxpayers money didn't come oh yeah you know the taxpayer is it's called china china paid 28 billion and you know what they did to pay it joe they devalued their currency and they also paid up and you know who got the money our farmers are great farmers because they were targeted you never charged them anything also i charged them 25 on dumped steel because they were killing our steel indus we were not going to have a steel industry okay and now we have a stealer okay vice president biden your response please our response is look this isn't about there's a reason why he's bringing up all this malarkey there's a reason for it he doesn't want to talk about the these the substance of issues it's not about his family and my family it's about your family and your family's hurting badly if you're making less than if you're a middle-class family you're getting hurt badly right now you're sitting at the kitchen table this morning deciding well we can't get new tires they're bald because we have to wait another month or so or are we going to be able to pay the mortgage or who's going to tell her she can't go back to to community college they're the decisions you're making in the middle class families like i grew up in scranton and claim on they're in trouble we should be talking about your families but that's the last thing he wants to talk about i want to say i want to talk about north korea i do want to turn to 10 seconds mr president ten seconds political statement let's get off this china thing and then he looks the family around the table everything just a typical politician when i see that let's talk about a difficult politician okay that's why i got elected let's get off the subject of china let's talk around sitting around the table come on joe you can do better we're going to talk about north korea now president trump you've met with north korean leader kim jong-un three times you've talked about your beautiful letters with him you've touted the fact that there hasn't been a war or a long-range missile test and yet north korea recently rolled out its biggest ever intercontinental ballistic missile and continues to develop its nuclear arsenal do you see that as a betrayal of the relationship you forged just 30 seconds here because we need to get on to the next so when i met with barack obama we sat in the white house right at the beginning had a great conversation was supposed to be 15 minutes and it was well over an hour he said the biggest problem we have with north is north korea he indicated we will be in a war with north korea guess what it would be a nuclear war and he does have plenty of nuclear capability in the meantime i have a very good relationship with him different kind of a guy but he probably thinks the same thing about me we have a different kind of a relationship we have a very good relationship and there's no war and you know about two months ago he broke into a certain area they said oh there's going to be trouble he said no they're not because he's not going to do that and i was right look instead of being in a war where millions of people sold you know is 25 miles away millions and millions 32 million people in seoul millions of people would be dead right now president trump that's 30 seconds vice president biden to you north korea conducted four nuclear tests under the obama administration why do you think you would be able to rein in this persistent threat because i'd make it clear which we were making clear to china they had to be part of the deal because here's the re i made it clear and as a spokesperson administration when i went to china that they said why are you moving your missile defense up so close why are you moving more forces here why you continue to do military maneuvers with south korea i said because north korea is a problem and we're going to continue to do it so we can control them we're going to make sure we can control them and make sure they cannot hurt us and so if you want to do something about it step up and help if not it's going to continue what has he done he's legitimized north korea he's talked about his good buddy who's a thug a thug and he talks about how we're better off and they are have much more capable missiles able to reach u.s territory much more easily than ever did before let me follow up with you vice president biden you've said you wouldn't meet with kim jong-un without preconditions are there any conditions under which you would meet with him on the condition that he would agree that he would be drawing down his nuclear capacity to get that the korean peninsula should be nuclear free zone all right let's move on to american families they tried very quickly they tried to meet with him he wouldn't do it he didn't like obama he didn't like him he wouldn't do it okay you got to give him a picture respond to that and it's okay you know what north korea we're not in a war we have a good relationship you know people don't understand having a good relationship with leaders of other countries we have a lot of questions to get to know we had a good relationship with hitler before he in fact invaded europe the rest of europe come on the reason he would not meet with president obama is because president obama said we're going to talk about denuclearization we're not going to legitimize you we're going to continue to put stronger and stronger sanctions on you that's why he wouldn't meet with us all right and it didn't work and talk about that chris president trump okay they left me a mess north korea was a mess and in fact if you remember the first two or three months tonight it was a very dangerous period in my first three months before we sort of worked things out a little bit okay there was a very they left us a mess and obama would be i think the first to say it was the single biggest problem he thought that our country okay let's move on to american families and the economy on one of the issues that's most important to them is health care as you both know today there was a key vote on a new supreme court justice amy coney barrett and health care is at the center of her confirmation fight over 20 million americans get their health insurance through the affordable care act it's headed to the supreme court and your administration mr president is advocating for the court to overturn it if the supreme court does overturn that law those 20 million americans could lose their health insurance almost overnight so what would you do if those people have their health insurance taken away you have two minutes uninterrupted first of all i've already done something that nobody thought was possible through the legislature i terminated the individual mandate that is the worst part of obamacare as we call it the individual mandate where you have to pay a fortune for the privilege of not having to pay for bad health insurance i terminated it's gone now it's in court because obamacare is no good but then i made a decision run it as well as you can to my people great people run it as well as you can i could have gone the other route and made everybody very unhappy they ran it premiums are down everything's down here's the problem no matter how well you run it it's no good what we'd like to do is terminate it we have the individual mandate done i don't know that it's going to work if we don't win we will have to run it and we'll have obamacare but it'll be better run but it no longer is obamacare because without the individual mandate it's much different pre-existing conditions will always stay what i would like to do is a much better health care much better will always protect people with pre-existing so i'd like to terminate obamacare come up with a brand new beautiful health care the democrats will do it because there'll be tremendous pressure on them and we might even have the house by that time and i think we're going to win the house okay you'll see but i think we're going to win the house but come up with a better health care always protecting people with pre-existing conditions and one thing very important we have 180 million people out there that have great private health care far more than we're talking about with obamacare joe biden is going to terminate all of those policies these are people that love their health care people that have been successful middle income people been successful they have a 180 million plants 180 million people families under what he wants to do which will basically be socialized medicine he won't even have a choice they want to terminate 180 million plans we have done an incredible job on health care and we're going to do even better okay vice president biden yes this is for you your health care plan calls for building on obamacare so my question is what is your plan if the law is ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court you have two minutes uninterrupted what i'm going to do is pass obamacare with a public option become biden care the public option is an option that says that if you in fact do not have the wherewithal to be if you qualify for medicaid and you do not have the wherewithal then your state to get medicaid you automatically are enrolled providing competition for insurance companies that's what's going to happen secondly we're going to make sure we reduce the premiums and reduce drug prices by making sure that there's competition that doesn't exist now by allowing the medicare to negotiate drug prices with the insurance companies thirdly the idea that i want to eliminate private insurance the reason why i had such a fight for with 20 candidates for the nomination was i support private insurance that's why i did not one single person with private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan nor did they under obamacare they did not lose their insurance unless they chose they wanted to go to something else lastly we're going to make sure we're in a situation that we actually protect pre-existing there's no way he can protect pre-existing conditions none zero you can't do it in the ether he's been talking about this for a long time there is no he's never come up with a plan i guess we're going to get the pre-existing condition planned the same time we get the infrastructure plan that we've been waiting since 17 18 19 and 20. the fact i still have a few more minutes i know you're getting anxious the uh the fact is that he's already cost the american people because of his terrible handling of the covet virus and economic spillover 10 million people have lost their private insurance and he wants to take away 22 million more people who have it under obamacare and over 110 million people with pre-existing conditions and all the people from covert are going to have pre-existing conditions what are they going to do i have a follow-up for you vice president biden it relates to something that president trump said he's accusing you of wanting socialized medicine what do you say to people who have concerns that your health care plan which includes a government insurance option takes the country one step closer to a health care system run entirely by the government i say it's ridiculous it's like saying that you know where uh the idea that the fact that there's a public option that people can choose that makes it a socialist plan look the difference between the president i think health care is not a privilege it's a right everyone should have the right to have affordable health care and i am very proud of my plan it's gotten endorsed by all the major labor unions as well as as well as a whole range of other people who in fact are concerned in the medical field this is something that's going to save people's lives and this is going to give some people an opportunity an opportunity to have health care for their children how many of you home are worried and rolling around in bed tonight wondering what in god's name you're going to do if you get sick because you've lost your home insurance your your health insurance your company's gone under we have to provide health insurance for people at an affordable rate and that's what i do president trump he was here for 47 years he didn't do it he was now there as vice president for eight years and it's not like it was 25 years ago it was three and three quarters it was just a little while ago right less than four years ago he didn't do anything he didn't do it he wants socialized medicine and it's not that he wants it his vice president i mean she is is more liberal than bernie sanders and wants it even more bernie sanders wants it the democrats want it you're going to have socialized medicine just like you want to with fracking we're not going to have fracking we're going to stop fracking we're going to stop fracking then he goes to pennsylvania after he gets a nomination where he got very lucky to get it and he goes to pennsylvania and he says oh we're going to have fracking and you never ask that question and by the way so far i respect very much the way you're handling this i have to say by the way but somebody should ask the question you can actually he goes for a year there will be we have we have we do have a number of we have a number of topics we're going to get to we're going to get to the same thing with socialized vice president your response please my response is people deserve to have affordable health care period period period period and the biden care proposal will in fact provide for that affordable health care lower premiums what we're going to do is going to cost some money it's going to cost over 750 billion dollars over 10 years to do it and they're going to have lower premiums you can buy into the better plans the cheaper plans lower your premiums deal with unders unexpected billing and have your drug prices drop significantly he keeps talking about it he hasn't done a thing for anybody on health care not a thing just in one hour and i want to talk about when he says public health he's talking about socialized medicine and when he and and health care when he talks about a public option he's talking about destroying your medicare totally destroyed and destroying your social security and this whole country will come down you know bernie sanders tried it in his state he tried it in a state his governor was a very liberal governor they want to make it work okay very confused guy he thinks he's running against somebody else he's running against joe biden i beat all those other people because i disagreed with them joe biden he's running against and the idea that we're in a situation that is going to destroy medicare this is the guy that the actuary medicare said if in fact at social security if in fact he continues to withhold his plan to withhold the tax on social security social security will be bankrupt in by 2023 with no way to make up for it this is the guy who's tried to cut medicare so i don't i mean the idea that donald trump is lecturing me on social security and medicare come on he tried to get rid of he tried to hurt social security years ago years ago go back and look at the records he tried to hurt social security years ago all right but this is the guy mr president i have to move on to the next question he said we're not gonna have time to talk about it if i'm elected if he's elected the stock market will crash okay very quickly look the idea that the stock market is booming is his only measure of what's happening where i come from in scranton and claim on that people don't live off of the stock market just in the uh just in the last three three years during this crisis said the the billionaires in this country made according to the wall street 700 billion more dollars 700 billion more dollars because that's his only measure what happens to the ordinary people out there what happens to them let's talk 401k 401ks are through the roof we're going to move on through the roof and he doesn't come from scranton that's like one of he lived there for a short period of time before he even knew we're going to move on and he left and the people of pennsylvania let me move on to my next question as of tonight more than 12 million people are out of work and as of tonight 8 million more americans have fallen into poverty and more families are going hungry every day those hit hardest are women and people of color they see washington fighting over a relief bill mr president why haven't you been able to get them the help they need 30 seconds here because nancy pelosi doesn't want to approve it i do but you're the president i do but i still have to get unfortunately that's one of the reasons i think we're going to take over the house because of her nancy pelosi doesn't want to approve anything because she'd love to have some victories on a date called november 3rd nancy pelosi does not want to approve it we are ready willing and able to do something don't forget we've already approved three plans and it's gone through including the democrats in all fairness this one she doesn't want it's near the election because she thinks it helps her politically i think it hurts her politically all right mr vice president no the republican leader in the united states senate said he can't pass it he will not be able to pass it he does not have republican votes why isn't he talking to his republican friends let me follow up with you vice president we made it because let me let me ask vice president biden a question you are the leader of the democratic party why have you not pushed the democrats to get a deal for the american people well i have and they have pushed it look they passed this act all the way back in the beginning of the summer this is like it's not new it's been out there this heroes act has been sitting there and look at what's happening when i was in charge of the recovery act with 800 billion dollars i was able to get 145 billion dollars to local communities that have to balance their budgets in states that have to balance their budgets so then have to fire fire to have to fire firefighters teachers first responders law enforcement officers so they could keep their cities and counties running he will not support that they have not done a thing for them and mitch mcconnell said let him go bankrupt let him go bankrupt come on what's the matter bill that was passed in the house was a bailout of badly run high crime democrat all run by democrats cities and states it was a way of getting a lot of money billions and billions of dollars to these states it was also a way of getting a lot of money from our people's pockets to people that come into our country illegally we were going to take care of everything for them and what that does and i'd love to do that i'd love to help them but what that does everybody all over the world will start pouring into our country we can't do it this was a way of taking care of them this was a way of spending on things that had nothing to do with covet as per your question but it was really a big bailout for badly run democrat cities and states all right i want to if i get elected i'm not going to i'm running as a proud democrat but i'm going to be an american president i don't see red states in blue states what i see is american united states and folks every single state out there finds themselves in trouble they're going to start laying off whether they're red or blue cops firefighters first responders because teachers because they have to balance their budget and the founders were smart they allowed the federal government to deficit spend to compensate for the united states of america i want to talk about the minimum wage gentlemen mr vice president we are talking a lot about struggling small businesses yes and business owners these days do you think this is the right time to ask them to raise the minimum wage you of course support a 15 federal minimum i do because i think one of the things we're going to have to do is we're going to have to bail them out too we should be bailing them out now those small businesses you got one in six of them going under they're not going to be able to make it back they pass the pro a package that allows us to be able to call ppp money's supposed to go to help them do everything from organize how they can deal with their businesses being open safely schools how they can make classrooms smaller how they can hire more teachers how they can put ventilation systems in they need the help the businesses as well as the schools need the help but this these guys will not help them is not giving them any of the money we are going to move on to immigration but i want to say we have to ask for small businesses by raising the minimum wage that's not helping i think it should be a state option alabama is different than new york new york is different from vermont every state is different it should be a state app you said we have to help it's very important we have to help our small businesses how are you helping your small businesses when you're forcing wages what's going to happen and what's been proven to happen is when you do that these small businesses fire many of their employees you said unfortunately you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour you said recently you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour that's still the case and i would consider it in it to an extent but i really like what i re in a second administration but not to a level that's going to put all these businesses out of business it should be a state option look everything in different places i know different places they're all different some places fifteen dollars is not so bad in other places other states fifteen dollars okay president trump thank you quick response vice president baden two jobs one job to be low poverty people are making six seven eight bucks an hour these first responders we all clap for as they come down the street because they've allowed us to make it what's happening they deserve a minimum wage of 15 anything below that puts you below the poverty level and there is no evidence that when you raise the minimum wage businesses go out of business that is simply not true we're going to talk about immigration we're going to talk about immigration now gentlemen and we're going to talk about families within this context mr president your administration separated children from their parents at the border at least 4 000 kids you've since reversed your zero tolerance policy but the united states can't locate the parents of more than 500 children so how will these families ever be reunited children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people cartels and they're brought here and they used to use them to get into our country we now have as strong a border as we've ever had we're over 400 miles of brand new wall you see the numbers and we let people in but they have to come in legally and they come in through but how are you reuniting let me just tell you guys with their family they built cages you know they used to say i built the cages and then they had a picture in a certain newspaper it was a picture of these horrible cages and they said look at these cages president trump built them and then it was determined they were built in 2014 that was him they planned to reunite the kids yes we're working on it very we're trying very hard but a lot of these kids come out without the parents they come over through cartels and through coyotes and through gangs vice president biden let me bring you into this conversation quick response and then another question to you these 500 plus kids came with parents they separated them at the border to make it a disincentive to come to begin with they real tough we're really strong and guess what they cannot it's not coyotes didn't bring them over their parents were with them they got separated from their parents and it makes us a laughing stock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation let me ask you a friend they did it we changed the policy your response they did it we did not they built the cages they who built the cages let's talk about who built the cages let's talk about what we're talking about what happened parents were ripped their kids were ripped from their arms and separated and now they cannot find over 500 sets of those parents and those kids are alone nowhere to go nowhere to go it's criminal it's criminal let me ask you i will say this they went down we brought reporters everything they are so well taken care of they're in facilities that were so clean some of them haven't been reunited but just ask one question who built the cages i'd love you to ask of that who built the cage let me ask about your immigration policy mr vice president the obama administration did fail to deliver immigration reform which had been a key promise during the administration it also presided over record deportations as well as family detentions at the border before changing course so why should voters trust you with an immigration overhaul now because we made a mistake it made two it took too long to get it right took too long to get it right i'll be president united states not vice president united states and the fact is i've made it very clear within 100 days i'm going to send to the united states congress a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people and all of those so-called dreamers those daca kids they're going to be immediately certified again to be able to stay in this country and put on a path to citizenship the idea that they are being sent home by this guy and they want to do that is they've gone to a country they've never seen before i can imagine you're five years old your parents are taking you across the the rio grande river and is and it's illegal and you say oh no mom leave me here i'm not going to go with you they've been here many of them are model citizens over 20 000 are first responders out there taking care of people during this crisis we owe them we owe them christian he had eight years to do what he said he was going to do and i've changed without having a specific we got rid of catch and release we got rid of a lot of horrible things that they put in and that they lived with but he had eight years he was vice president he did nothing except build cages to keep children in vice president your response the catch and release you know what he's talking about there if in fact you had a family came across and they were arrested they in fact were given a date to show up for their hearing they were released and guess what they showed up for a hearing this is the first president history united states america there's anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country that's never happened before in america that's never happened before in america you come to the united states and you make your case that i seek asylum based on the following on the following premise why i deserve it under american law they're sitting in a squalor on the other side of the river president trump your response it just shows that he has no understanding of immigration of the laws catch and release is a disaster a murderer would come in a rapist would come in a very bad person would come in we would take their name we have to release them into our country and then you say they come back less than one percent of the people come back we have to send ice out and border patrol out to find them we would say come back in two years three years we're going to give you a court case you need perry mason we're going to give you a court case when you say they come back they don't come back joe they never come back only the really i hate to say this but those with the lowest iq they might come back okay president trump let's give vice president biden a chance to respond and then we're going to move on to this you don't know the law joe vice president biden your response know the law what he's telling you is simply not true check it out they don't come back check it out all right let's move on but we don't have to worry about it they terminated it so we'd have to worry about it that's right yeah 525 kids not knowing where in god's name they're going to be and lost their parents go ahead all right let's talk about our next section which is race in america and i want to talk about the way black and brown americans experience race in this country part of that experience is something called the talk it happens regardless of class and income parents who feel they have no choice but to prepare their children for the chance that they could be targeted including by the police for no reason other than the color of their skin mr vice president in the next two minutes i want you to speak directly to these families do you understand why these parents fear for their children i do i do you know my daughter is a social worker and uh she's all she's written a lot about this she's a has a graduate degree from the university of pennsylvania in social work and you know one of the reasons why i ended up working on the east side of wilmington delaware which is 90 african-american was to learn more about what was going on what i didn't i never had to tell my daughter if she's pulled over make sure she puts for a traffic stop put both hands on top of the wheel and don't reach for the glove box because someone may shoot you but a black parent no matter how wealthy or how poor they are has to teach their child when you're walking down the street don't have a hoodie on when you go across the street making sure that you in fact if you get pulled over yes yes sir no sir hands on top of the wheel because you are in fact the victim whether you're a person making three hundred thousand child of a three hundred thousand dollar a year person or someone who's on on on food stamps the fact of the matter is there is institutional racism america and we have always said we've never lived up to it that we hold these truths to be self-evident all men and women are created equal well guess what we have never ever lived up to but we've all constantly been moving the needle further and further to inclusion not exclusion this is the first president to come along and says that's the end of that we're not going to do that anymore we have to provide for economic opportunity better education better health care better access to schooling better access to opportunity to borrow money to start businesses all the things we can do and i've laid out a clear plan as to how to do those things just to give people a shot it's about accumulating the ability to have wealth as well as it is to be free from violence president trump same question to you and let me remind you of the question i would like you to speak directly to these families do you understand why these parents fear for their children yes i do and again he's been in government 47 years he never did a thing except in 1994 when he did such harm to the black community and they were called and he called them super predators and he said that he said it's super predators and they have never lived that down 1994 your crime bill the super predators nobody has done more for the black community than donald trump and if you look with the exception of abraham lincoln possible exception but the exception of abraham lincoln nobody has done what i've done criminal justice reform obama and joe didn't do it i don't even think they tried because they had no chance at doing it they might have wanted to do it but if you had to see the arms i had a twist to get that done it was not a pretty picture and everybody knows it including some very liberal people that cried in my office they cried in the oval office two weeks later they're out saying gee we have to defeat him criminal justice reform prison reform opportunity zones with tim scott a great senator from south carolina he came in with this incredible idea for opportunity zones it's one of the most successful programs people don't talk about it tremendous investment is being made biggest beneficiary the black and hispanic communities and then historically black colleges and universities after three years of coming to the office i love some of those guys they were great they came into the office and they said i said what are you doing after three years i said why do you keep coming back because we have no funding i said you don't have to come back every year we have to come back because president obama would never give them long-term funding and i did 10-year long-term funding and i gave them more money than they asked for because they said i think you need more and i said the only bad part about this is i may never see you again because i got very friendly with them and they like me and i like them but i saved historically colleges and universities okay and we're going to talk about both of your records but your response to that vice president my response to that as i never ever said what he accused me of saying the fact of the matter is in 2000 though after the crime bill had been in in in in the law for a while this is the guy who said the problem at the crime bill there's not enough people in jail there's not enough people in jail and go on my website get the quote the date when he said it not enough people he talked about marauding gangs young gangs and the people who were going to maraude our cities this is a guy who in the central park five five innocent black kids he continued to push for making sure that they got the death penalty none of them were none of them were guilty of what the crime of the crimes they were suggested look and talk about he granted he did in fact let 20 people he commuted 20 people sentences we committed over a thousand people's sentences over a thousand the very law he's talking about is a law that in fact initiated by barack obama and secondly we're in a situation here where we the federal prison system was reduced by 38 000 people under our administration and one of these things we should be doing there should be no no minimum mandatories in the law that's why i'm offering 20 billion dollars of states to change their state laws to eliminate minimum mandatories and set up drug courts no one should be going to jail because they have a drug problem they should be going to rehabilitation not to jail we should fundamentally change the system and that's what i'm going to do but why didn't he do it four years ago why didn't you do that four years ago even less than that why didn't i when you were vice president you keep talking about all these things you're going to do and you're going to do this but you were there just a short time ago and you guys did nothing we did you know joe i i ran because of you i ran because of barack obama because you did a poor job if i thought you did a good job i would have never run i would have never run i ran because of you i'm looking at you now you're a politician i ran because of you all right vice president biden your response to that and then i do have some questions for both of you well i'll tell you what i uh i hope he does look at me because what's happening here is you know who i am you know who he is you know his character you know my character you know our reputations for honor and telling the truth i am anxious to have this race i am anxious to see this take place i am the character of the country is on the ballot our character is on the ballot look at us closely let me ask some followers please respond to this we're going to have something that's true about russia ukraine china other countries iraq if this is true then he's a corrupt politician right so don't give me the stuff about how you're this innocent baby joe they're calling you a corrupt politician nobody president trump i want to stay on the issue of race we're talking about we're talking about race right now and i do want to stay on the issue of race president trump i have to respond to that please look very quick there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this he's accusing me of is a russian plan they have said that this is has all the care four five former heads of the cia both parties say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage nobody believes it except of his and his good friend rudy gianni you mean the laptop is now another russia russia russia hoax that's exactly what this is exactly what this is where he's going the laptop is russia i want to stay on the issue of race you have to be kidding me here we go again with russia we're going to continue on the issue of race mr president you've described the black lives matter movement as a symbol of hate you've shared a video of a man chanting white power to millions of your supporters you've said that black professional athletes exercising their first amendment rights should be fired what do you say to americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of hate and racial strife well you have to understand the first time i ever heard of black lives matter they were chanting pigs in a blanket talking about police pigs pigs talking about our police pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon i said that's a horrible thing and they were marching down the street and that was my first glimpse of black lives matter i thought it was a terrible thing as far as my relationships with all people i think i have great relationships with all people i am the least racist person in this room what do you say to americans who are concerned by that rhetoric i don't know i mean i don't know what to say i got criminal justice reform done and prison reform and opportunity zones i took care of black colleges and universities i don't know what to say they can say anything i mean they can say anything it's a very it makes me sad because i am i am the least racist person i can't even see the audience because it's so dark but i don't care who's in the audience i'm the least racist person in this room okay vice president biden let me ask you very quickly and then i have a follow-up question for you abraham lincoln here is one of the most racist presidents we've had in modern history he pours fuel on every single racist fire every single one he started off his campaign coming down the escalator saying he's getting rid of those mexican rapists he's banned muslims because they're muslims he has moved around and made everything worse across the board he says to about the poor boys last time we were on stage here he said i told him to stand down and stand ready come on this guy is a dog whistle about as big as a foghorn president trump i'm going to give you 10 seconds to respond and then i have a follow-up he made a reference to abraham lincoln where did that come in i mean you said abraham line where did that no no you said i said not since abraham lincoln has anybody done what i've done for the black community and i'm saying i didn't say i'm abraham lincoln i said not since abraham lincoln has anybody done what i've done for the black community now you have done nothing other than the crime bill which put oh god that tens of thousands of black men mostly in jail all right you know what let me remember it because if you look at what's happening with the voting right now let me ask they remember president i treated them very very badly just take a look at what's happening out there vice president biden let me give you a chance to respond within this context crime bills that you supported in the 80s and 90s contributed to the incarceration of tens of thousands of young black men who had small amounts of drugs in their possession they are sons they are brothers their fathers their uncles whose families are still to this day some of them suffering the consequences so speak to those families why should they vote for you one of the things is that in the 80s we passed 100 percent all 100 senators voted for it a bill on drugs and how to deal with drugs it was a mistake i've been trying to change the since then particularly the portion on cocaine that's why i've been arguing that in fact we should not send anyone to jail for a pure drug offense they should be going into treatment across the board that's what we should be spending money that's why i set up drug courts which were never funded by republican friends they should not be going to jail for a drug or an alcohol problem they should be going into treatment treatment that's what we've been trying to do that's what i'm going to get done because i think the american people have now seen that in fact it was a mistake to pass those laws relating to the drug but they were not in the crime bill but why didn't he get it done see it's all talk no action with these politicians why didn't he get it that's what i'm gonna do when i become president you were vice president along with obama as your president your leader for eight years why didn't you get it done you had eight years to get it done now you're saying you're going to get it done because you're all talk and no action we got a lot of it done we released 38 did anything we got 38 000 prisoners left from you you got nothing done 38 000 prisoners were released from federal prison we have there were over a thousand people who were given clemency we make fact we're the ones that put in the legislation saying we could look at pattern and practice of police departments and what they were doing how they were conducting themselves i could go on but we began the process we began the process we lost an election that's why i'm running to win back that election and change his terrible policies i just said number one question why didn't you do it in the eight years a short time ago why didn't you do it you just said i'm gonna do that i'm gonna do this you put tens of thousands of mostly black young men in prison now you're saying you're gonna get you're gonna undo that why didn't you get it done you had eight years with obama you know why joe because you're all talk and no action all right vice president biden and then we're going to move on to the next section better republican congress that's the answer okay you got to talk them into it so all right you got to talk them into it we're going to move on to our next section like i did with criminal justice reform i had to talk democrats into gentlemen you did we're running out of time so we got to get on to climate change please you both have very different visions on climate change president trump you say that environmental regulations have hurt jobs in the energy sector vice president biden you have said you see addressing climate change as an opportunity to create new jobs for each of you how would you both combat climate change and support job growth at the same time starting with you president trump you have two minutes uninterrupted so we have the trillion trees program we have so many different programs i do love the environment but what i want is the cleanest crystal clear water the cleanest air we have the best lowest number in carbon emissions which is a big standard that i notice obama goes with all the time not joe i haven't heard joe use the term because i'm not sure he knows what it represents or means but i have heard obama use it and we have the best carbon emission numbers that we've had in 35 years under this administration we are working so well with industry but here's what we can't do look at china how filthy it is look at russia look at india it's filthy the the air is filthy the paris accord i took us out because we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars and we were treated very unfairly when they put us in there they did us a great disservice they were going to take away our businesses i will not sacrifice tens of millions of jobs thousands and thousands of companies because of the paris accord it was so unfair china doesn't kick in until 2030. russia goes back to a low standard and we kicked in right away it would have been it would have been it would have destroyed our businesses so you ready we have done an incredible job environmentally we have the cleanest air the cleanest water and the best carbon emission standards that we've seen in many many years vice president we haven't destroyed our industries vice president biden two minutes to you uninterrupted climate change and climate warming global warming is the next essential threat to humanity we have a moral obligation to deal with it and we're told by all the leading scientists in the world we don't have much time we're going to pass the point of no return within the next eight to ten years four more years of this man eliminating all the regulations that were put in by us to clean up the climate to clean up to limit the the uh limited emissions will put us in a position where we're going to be in real trouble here's where we have a great opportunity i was able to get both all the environmental organizations as well as labor the people worried about jobs to support my climate plan because what it does it will create millions of new good paying jobs we're going to invest in for example 500 000 50 000 50 000 charging stations on our highways so that we can own the electric car market of the future in the meantime china is doing that we're going to be in a position where we're going to see to it that we're going to take 4 million existing billion buildings and 2 million existing homes and retrofit them so they don't leak as much energy saving hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in the process and creating significant number of jobs and by the way the whole idea of what this is all going to do it's going to create millions of jobs and it's going to clean the environment our health and our jobs are at stake that's what's happening and what right now by the way wall street firms indicated that my plan my my plan will in fact create 18.6 million jobs seven million more than his this is from wall street and i'll create one trillion dollars more in economic growth than his proposal does not on climate just on the economy president trump they came out and said very strongly six thousand five hundred dollars will be taken away from families under his plan that his plan is an economic disaster if you look at what he wants to do you know the if you look at his plan his environmental plan you know who developed it aoc plus three they know nothing about the climate i mean she's got a good line of stuff but she knows nothing about the climate and they're all hopping through hoops for aoc plus three look their real plan costs a hundred trillion dollars if we had the best year in the history of our country for a hundred years we would not even come close to a number like that when he says buildings they want to take buildings down because i want to make bigger windows into smaller windows as far as they're concerned if you had no window it would be a lovely thing this is the craziest plan that anybody has ever seen and this wasn't done by smart people this wasn't done by anybody frankly i don't even know how it can be good politically they want to spend a hundred trillion dollars that's their real number he's trying to say it was six it's a hundred trillion dollars they want to knock down buildings and build new buildings with little tiny small windows i mean and many other things and many other things let me have the vice president respond and we're running out of time and we have a lot more questions so let's hear from the vice president i have a number of more questions i don't know where he comes from i don't know where he comes up with these numbers weighing 100 trillion dollars give me a break this plan was this is planned endorsed by every major every major environmental group and every labor group labor because they know the future lies the future lies and thus being able to breathe and they know they're good jobs in getting us there and by the way the fastest growing industry in america are is is is the electric the excuse me uh solar energy and wind he thinks wind causes cancer windmills it's the fastest growing jobs and they pay good prevailing wages 45-50 bucks an hour we can grow and we can be cleaner if we go the route i'm proposing president trump please respond we are energy independent for the first time we don't need all of these countries that we had to fight war over because we needed their energy we are energy independent i know more about wind than you do it's extremely expensive kills all the birds it's very intermittent it's got a lot of problems and they happen to make the windmills in both germany and china and the fumes coming up if you're a believer in carbon emission the fumes coming up to make make these massive windmills is more than anything that we're talking about with natural gas which is very clean one other thing find me a solar system i love solar but solar doesn't quite have it yet it's not powerful in it yet to to really run our big beautiful factories that we need to compete with the world so far it's all a pipe dream but you know what we'll do we're going to have the greatest economy in the world but if you want to kill the economy get rid of your oil industry you want and and what about fracking all right let me know let me let me allow vice president to respond never said i oppose frackie you said it on tape i did show the tape put it on your website i'll put it on put it on the website the fact of the matter is flat lying would you rule out banning fracking i do rule out benny fracking because the answer we need we need other industries to transition to get to ultimately a complete zero emissions by 2025. what i will do with fracking over time is make sure that we can capture the emissions from the fracking capture the emissions from gas we can do that and we can do that by investing money and doing it but it's a transition to that i have one more question in this position he was against fracking he said it i will show that to you tomorrow i am against fracking until he got the nomination went to pennsylvania then he said but you know what pennsylvania he'll be against it very soon because his party is totally against fracking on federal land i said no fracking using no oil on february let me ask this final question in this section and then i want to move on to our final section president trump people of color are much more likely to live near oil refineries and chemical plants in texas there are families who worry the plants near them are making them sick your administration has rolled back regulations on these kinds of facilities why should these families give you another four years in office the families that we're talking about are employed heavily and they're making a lot of money more money than they've ever made if you look at the kind of numbers that we produce for hispanic or black for asian it's nine times greater the percentage gain than it was under in three years that it was under eight years of the two of them to put it nicely nine times more now somebody lives i have not heard the numbers or the statistic statistics that you're saying but they're making a tremendous amount of money economically we saved it and i saved it again a number of months ago when oil was crashing because of the pandemic we saved it we got say what you want about relationship we got saudi arabia mexico and russia to cut back way back we saved our oil industry and now it's very vibrant together and everybody has very inexpensive gasoline vice president biden your response and then we're going to have a final question for both of you my response is that those people live on what they call fence lines he doesn't understand this they live near chemical plants that in fact pollute chemical plants and oil plants and refineries that pollute i used to live near that when i was growing up in clemont delaware and all the more oral refineries in marcus hook and the delaware river than there is any place including in houston at the time when my mom get in the car and when their first frost to drive me to school turned in the windshield there'd been oil slick in the window that's why so many people in my state were dying and getting cancer the fact is those front-line communities this doesn't matter what you're paying them it matters how you keep them safe what do you do and you impose restrictions on the pollutions that the pollutants coming out of those fence line communities okay i have one final would he close down there or would you close down the earth by the way i would transition from the oil industry yes oh transition it is a big statement because i would stop why would you do that because the oil industry pollutes significantly i said here's the deal but that's a big step well if you let me finish the statement because it has to be replaced by renewable energy over time over time and i'd stop giving to the oil industry i'd stop giving them federal subsidies he won't give federal subsidies to the to the gas exchange to the to uh solar and wind yeah why are we giving it to oil industry we actually do solar and wind that's maybe the biggest statement in terms of business that's the biggest thing okay because basically what he's saying is he is going to destroy the oil industry will you remember that texas would you remember that pennsylvania oklahoma vice president biden let me give you 10 seconds to respond and then i have to get to the final question vice president biden he takes everything out of context but the point is look we have to move toward a net zero emissions the first place to do that by the year 2035 is in energy production by 2050 totally all right are you going to get china to do it no we're finished with it is he going to get china and this first question does go to you president trump imagine this is your inauguration day what will you say in your address to america to americans who did not vote for you you'll each have one minute starting with you we have to make a country totally successful as it was prior to the plague coming in from china now we're rebuilding it and we're doing record numbers 11.4 million jobs in a short period of time etc but i will tell you go back before the plague came in just before i was getting calls from people that were not normally people that would call me they wanted to get together we had the best black unemployment numbers in the history of our country hispanic women asian people with diplomas with no diplomas mit graduates number one in the class everybody had the best numbers and you know what the other side wanted to get together they wanted to unify success is going to bring us together we are on the road to success but i'm cutting taxes and he wants to raise everybody's taxes and he wants to put new regulations on everything he will kill it if he gets in you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen your 401ks will go to hell and it'll be a very very sad day for this country all right vice president biden same question to you what will you say during your inaugural address to americans who did not vote for you i will say i'm an american president i represent all of you whether you voted for me or against me and i'm going to make sure that you're represented i'm going to give you hope we're going to move we're going to choose science over fiction we're going to choose hope over fear we're going to choose to move forward because we have enormous opportunities enormous opportunities to make things better we can grow this economy we can deal with systemic racism and at the same time we can make sure that our economy is being run and moved and motivated by clean energy creating millions of new jobs and that's the fact that's what we're going to do and i'm going to say as i said in the beginning what is on the ballot here is the character of this country decency honor respect treating people with dignity making sure that everyone has an even chance and i'm going to make sure you get that you haven't been getting it the last four years all right i want to thank you both for a very robust hour and a half a fantastic debate really appreciate it president trump former vice president joe biden thank you to belmont university for hosting us tonight and most importantly thank you to those watching tonight election day is november 3rd don't forget to vote thank you everyone and have a great night you

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