>> HI, EVERYONE. I'M ELAINE QUIJANO. THANKS FOR JOINING US. WE ARE NOW LESS THAN HALF AN HOUR AWAY FROM THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF THE 2020 ELECTION. FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE OCTOBER 2016, PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL SHARE THE STAGE WITH A POLITICAL OPPONENT. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE AND FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, JOE BDEN. HERE'S A LOOK AT THE STAKES FOR TONIGHT. ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF LIKELY VIEWERS, PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WILL WATCH, ARE TUNING IN TO SEE HOW THEIR CANDIDATE DOES. JUST 6% SAY THEY ARE WATCHING BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL DECIDING WHO TO VOTE FOR. 6% MAY NOT SOUND LIKE A LOT BUT IT CAN TAKE LESS THAN THAT TO FLIP A STATE. 13 STATES PLUS NEBRASKA'S SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT SAW A MARGIN SMALLER THAN 6% IN THE 2016 ELECTION. TOGETHER, THEY ARE WORTH 162 ELECTORAL VOTES. MORE THAN HALF OF THE 270 NEEDED TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY. CAITLIN HEWITT BURNS AND NIKOLE KILLION JOIN ME NOW. CAITLIN IS CBS 10'S -- WEIJIA W IS CBSN'S POLITICAL REPORTER AND NIKOLE KILLION IS A CBS CORRESPONDENT COVERING ALL THINGS OUT OF WASHINGTON. WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. CAITLIN, LET ME START WITH YOU. THE NUMBER OF PERSUADABLE VOTERS MAY BE RELATIVELY SMALL BUT HOW IMPORTANT ARE UNDECIDED VOTERS AT THIS MOMENT IN THE CAMPAIGN? >> RIGHT, THAT NUMBER OF UNDECIDED VOTERS IS VERY SMALL. WE HAVE FRESH NEW PULLING OUT FROM CBS NEWS THAT SHOWS A VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING THIS DEBATE TONIGHT LIKELY VOTERS 73% SAY THEY HAVE ALREADY CHOSEN A CANDIDATE AND THEY ARE TUNING IN TO SEE HOW THE CANDIDATE DOES. ABOUT 41% OF TUNING IN JUST FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT VALUE ALONE. ABOUT 8% ARE TUNING IN BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO WATCH SO MAYBE THEY HAVE EXHAUSTED úA AND HERE'S THE KEY NUMBER. 6%, 6% OF LIKELY VOTERS IN OUR POLL TONIGHT SAY THEY ARE TUNING IN TO FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR. SO IT IS A VERY SMALL MARGIN AND A VERY SMALL NUMBER. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ALL DAY ABOUT ARE THERE ANY OF THESE PERSUADABLE VOTERS LEFT IN AN ELECTION THAT IS INCREASINGLY BECOMING ALL ABOUT TURNING OUT YOUR BASE. WHO ARE THESE VOTERS TUNING IN TONIGHT? JUST 6% LOOKING TO SEE HOW BIDEN AND TRUMP DO AGAINST EACH OTHER. WE KNOW AS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALSO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY VOTERS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR TONIGHT, THIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO IOWA AND 2019 WHEN I WAS OUT THERE COVERING ONE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL EVENTS BY ELIZABETH WARREN WHO ANNOUNCED HER CANDIDACY. VOTERS, EVEN THEN WERE SAYING THE WAY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MEASURE UP THESE CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION WAS IMAGINING THEM ON A DEBATE STAGE WITH DONALD TRUMP. SO TONIGHT, WE WILL SEE WHAT THEY FOR EXPECTATIONS ON IF THEY PAID OFF. >> I REMEMBER YOU TELLING US ABOUT THOSE MONTHS AGO. ONE BIG DIFFERENCE NICOLE ABOUT THE ELECTION CYCLE IS THAT VOTING IS ALREADY UNDERWAY, CLOSE TO 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATE OF WISCONSIN THERE ARE ALREADY A 10th OF 2016 TURN OUT. HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THE RACE AND THE DEBATE? IF THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T VOTED IN SO WHETHER SOMEONE IS VOTING ABSENTEE VOTING BY MAIL, VOTING EARLY IN PERSON, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN IN A NUMBER OF STATES OR JUST WAITING UNTIL ELECTION DAY, TO CAST THEIR VOTE, WHICH, VOTERS MAKE UP THEIR MINDS WHEN THEY MAKE UP THEIR MINDS AND WHILE MANY HAVE, THERE ARE STILL SOME OUT THERE THAT HAVEN'T. IHAVE TRAVELED ACROSS STATES RECENTLY WHERE I HAVE ENCOUNTERED PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL UNDECIDED TO SYNDICATE CAITLIN'S POINT, IT IS A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER BY HOUR PULLING STANDARDS BUT THIS PRESENTS A NO OPPORTUNITY FOR VOTERS TO TO PUT THESE TWO CANDIDATES SIDE BY SIDE TO SEE HOW THEY MATCH UP AGAINST EACH OTHER AND ALSO, AGAIN, AS CAITLIN MENTIONED, CERTAINLY WITH THE LATEST POLLING ALSO SHOWING THAT PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SEE HOW THESE CANDIDATES DO AND I WAS STRUCK BY THE NUMBER THAT SOME ARE JUST TUNING IN FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT VALUE OF IT ALL BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS CERTAINLY IT WILL BE A FACTOR FOR SOME VOTERS AS FAR AS THEIR DECISION AND TO OTHERS, IT MAY REINFORCE THE DECISION THEY HAVE ALREADY MADE. >> YES, WELL, WE KNOW THAT TONIGHT'S DEBATE TOPICS ARE BROKEN UP INTO SIX DIFFERENT SEGMENTS AS CHOSEN BY THE MODERATOR, EACH FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES. CAITLIN, IN WHICH TOPICS DO YOU SEE THE CANDIDATES GAINING AN ADVANTAGE? >> I THINK THE FOCUS ON TWO TOPICS THAT ARE TOP OF MIND FOR VOTERS HEADING INTO THIS NOVEMBER ELECTION, THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC AND THE ECONOMY. ON THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC, JOE BIDEN HAS SHOWN IN BATTLEGROUND STATES AND NATIONALLY THAT HE LEADS ON THAT MEASURE THAT AMERICANS BY AND LARGE DISAPPROVE OF THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF CORONAVIRUS AND ARE SUPPORTING BIDEN ON THAT MEASURE. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY, THAT HAS BEEN THE SILVER LINING FOR DONALD TRUMP. HE HAS LEADING ON THE ECONOMY, TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE ECONOMY WAS GOOD BEFORE THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED SO THIS WILL BE AN INSTANCE WHERE YOU SEE THE PRESIDENT ON OFFENSE GOING AFTER JOE BIDEN PROBABLY ON THE ECONOMY AND RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT JOE BIDEN WOULD DO AND WHAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY ON THAT MEASURE. THEN ON CORONAVIRUS, THIS IS WHERE THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN REALLY WANTS TO FOCUS TONIGHT, MAKING THIS RACE A REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF THE PANDEMIC AND ALSO SAYING WHAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY IF HE WERE IN CHARGE SO THOSE ARE TWO MEASURES THAT ARE TOP OF MIND FOR VOTERS AND TWO ISSUES THAT WE WILL SEE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN THIS DEBATE. >> NICOLE CAAN WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT AND JOE BIDEN HAVE EACH PREPARED IN DIFFERENT WAYS FOR THE DEBATE AND WE HAVE SEEN THEM BOTH ON THE DEBATE STAGE BEFORE. PRESIDENT TRUMP LAST AND 2016 AND JOE BIDEN AS RECENTLY AS MARCH. HOW MIGHT THEY APPROACH THIS DEBATE? >> WELL I THINK IN ONE OF TWO WAYS OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH. I THINK IF THEY STICK TO THE SCRIPT, I THINK YOU WILL HEAR FOR INSTANCE THAT PRESIDENT WILL MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT I HAVE BEEN DOING MORE IN 47 MONTHS THAN JOE BIDEN HAS IN 47 YEARS. THAT HAS BEEN THE ARGUMENT HE HAS BEEN MAKING MOST RECENTLY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND SO I THINK YOU WILL HEAR THAT THREAD THROUGHOUT ANY NUMBER OF TOPICS WHETHER IT IS THE PANDEMIC, THE ECONOMY, RACE, LAW AND ORDER, EVEN WITH THE SUPREME COURT NOMINEE. SO THAT IS ONE POSSIBILITY AND OF COURSE BIDEN, THE MONITOR HE HAS BEEN SOUNDING AS OF LATE HAS BEEN SCRANTON VERSUS PARK AVENUE APPROACH SO WITH THE STORY THAT BROKE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO ON THE PRESIDENT'S TAXES, THIS ALLOWS HIM TO HAMMER THAT MESSAGE HOME AS WELL THAT HE IS THE ONE LOOKING OUT FOR THE LOOK OF LITTLE GUY, THE AVERAGE WORKER OUT THERE WHILE THE PRESIDENT HAS KIND OF LIVED THE HIGH LIFE HIS WHOLE LIFE. SO I THINK AGAIN, YOU WILL HEAR THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ACROSS ALL THE TOPICS TONIGHT. IF THEY GO OFF SCRIPT, ALL BETS ARE OFF. I THINK THAT IS REALLY CERTAINLY ONE THING I WILL BE WATCHING FOR BUT I THINK WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE WATCHING FOR ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO SAID THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT VALUE HERE AND HOW WILL THE GLOVES COME OFF, YOU KNOW, WILL THESE GUYS GO AFTER EACH OTHER, IF YOU HAVE FOLLOWED THE PRESIDENT AND WATCHED THIS CAMPAIGN RALLY, HE CAN GO IN ON JOE BIDEN. JOE BIDEN, EQUALLY, CAN HIT BACK AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE VICE PRESIDENT TONIGHT AT A DEBATE WATCH PARTY SAYING THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BRING THE FIGHT TO JOE BIDEN TONIGHT SO THAT TO THE EXTENT THIS DOES COME TO A KNOCKOUT, DRAG OUT FIGHT, THAT IS CERTAINLY THAT I THINK MANY WILL BE WATCHING FOR AS WELL. ON SCRIPT, OFF SCRIPT, WE WILL JUST HAVE TO SEE OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH, LIKE I SAID. >> SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT. CAITLIN YOU AND BERT'S AND NIKOLE KILLION, GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH. THANK YOU. >>> AS WE MENTIONED, THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT BEEN ON THE DEBATE STAGE SINCE 2016. BACK THEN, HERE IS SOME OF WHAT THEY HAD TO PREPARE FOR. >> A GOOD JOB IN THE 1990S. I THINK A LOT ABOUT WHAT WORKED AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IT WORK AGAIN. >> WHILE HE APPROVED -- >> -- BALANCED-BUDGET -- WHICH IS THE SINGLE -- APPROVED -- >> HIS NUMBERS WENT UP FOR ANYBODY. HE HAS JOINED THE DEBATE BY SAYING MORE CRAZY THINGS BUT LET ME SAY -- MAKE THERE IS NOTHING CRAZY ABOUT NOT LETTING OUR COMPANIES BRING THEIR MONEY BACK INTO THEIR COUNTRY. >> -- TWO MINUTES, PLEASE. >> LET'S START THE CLOCK AGAIN, LESTER. >> STARTING WHEN I WAS A SENATOR FROM NEW YORK BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE. >> WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT? BECAUSE I WAS A SENATOR WITH A REPUBLICAN PLEASANT PRESIDENT. -- REALLY? YOU COULD'VE DONE IT. IF YOU WERE AN EFFECTIVE SENATOR, YOU COULD'VE DONE IT. IF YOU WERE AN EFFECTIVE SENATOR, YOU COULD'VE DONE IT BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE AN EFFECTIVE SENATOR. >> SHE IS ALLOWED TO RESPOND. >> MY SOCIAL SECURITY, PAYROLL CONTRIBUTION WILL GO UP AS WILL DONALD'S ASSUMING HE CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OUT OF IT BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS REPLENISH -- MAKE SUCH A NASTY WOMAN. >> -- FUND. >> FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE AND SENIOR ADVISOR TO HILLARY CLINTON, LEE PRENTICE JOINS ME NOW. LEE, WELCOME. YOU SAID THE KEY TO BEATING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN A DEBATE IS TO POINT GET OUT OF HIS WAY. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT? >> FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT, JUST LOVELY TO WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE. >> HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> I, YOU KNOW, PARTS OF IT I WANT TO LEFT, PARTS OF IT I WANT TO CRY. I WILL PROBABLY DO IT AFTER WE HUNG UP. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THERE IS ONE DONALD TRUMP. PEOPLE ARGUE WHICH DONALD TRUMP ARE WE GOING TO SEE. THERE IS ONE. YOU SEE HIM, YOU COVER THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY. YOU SEE IT 3 TO 5 TIMES A WEEK FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS. THAT GUY IS SHOWING UP TONIGHT. THERE IS NO OTHER GUY. SO THAT GUY IS NOT DOING WELL. THAT GUY HAS GOT HIS 40% BUT THE REST OF AMERICA IS NOT SO KEEN ON THE BLUSTER, ON THE LYING. IT MAKES GOOD TV AND IF DONALD TRUMP'S STRATEGY IS TO REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BIGGEST AUDIENCE HE IS GOING TO HAVE THIS CAMPAIGN, THEN, YEAH, YOU CAN ENJOY AND HE WILL ENJOY HIMSELF AND SOME PEOPLE WAS A HE WON THE DEBATE BUT HE IS LOSING THE RACE AND IF HIS GOAL WERE TO COME INTO THIS DEBATE AND TRY TO DO SOME GOOD FOR HIMSELF, HE WOULD TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. AS A HUMAN BEING, HE IS NOT CAPABLE OF DOING THAT SO EVERYONE IS FOCUSING ON HOW WILL JOE BIDEN REACT, WHAT IS JOE BIDEN GOING TO SAY THAT HE'S GOING TO FACT CHECK HIM, KEEP HIS COOL, LUCID SCHOOL, IF I WERE JOE BIDEN I WOULD SAY HELLO, CHRIS WALLACE, MODERATOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND THANK YOU TO CASE UNIVERSITY FOR HOSTING US AND WITH THAT I WOULD YIELD MY 45 MINUTES TO DONALD TRUMP. BECAUSE THE GUY NEVER MISSES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY AND WHILE FOUR YEARS AGO WAS HARD TO WATCH THOSE CLIPS, YOU DO SEE HOW WITHIN THE INTERRUPTING AND THE HISTRIONICS HE IS STILL LIVING A MESSAGE WHETHER IT WAS JOB CREATION OR TRADE AND HE WAS GETTING IN HIS KNOCKS ON HER. NOW, HE DOESN'T DO THAT. NOW WHEN HE OPENS HIS MOUTH IT IS A LIST OF GRIEVANCES ABOUT HOW SLIPPERY RAMPS ARE AND HOW PERFECT HIS TRANSCRIPTS ARE AND ANGRY DEMOCRATS AND IT IS ONE THING IF HE STANDS IN THE ROSE GARDEN AND HAS ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO GO OFF FOR 50 MINUTES AND THROW IN SOME STUFF ABOUT JOE BIDEN. HE HAS TWO OR THREE MINUTES AT A SHOT TONIGHT. IF HE WANTS TO SEND, EACH OF THEM MEN HAVE TO DECIDE DO I WANT TO SPEND 90 MINUTES QUARRELING WITH THE OTHER GUY OR SPEND 90 MINUTES TALKING TO THE AUDIENCE? IT IS CLEAR WHAT CHOICE BIDEN -- TRUMP IS GOING TO MAKE. IT IS CLEAR JOE BIDEN KNOWS THE MORE HE TALKS TO THE AUDIENCE, THE BETTER IT GETS. HE DOESN'T NEED TO STAND THERE AND TAKE WHATEVER COMES AT HIM AND IF HE JUST STOOD THERE AND TOOK IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY, INCLUDING ME, I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMEONE WHO CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES. WHO CAN BE STRONG IN THE FACE OF A BULLY SO IF JOE BIDEN HAS A HEART, YEAH BUT DONALD TRUMP HAS A BIGGER TASK AND I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT HE IS GOING TO BLOW IT AND THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IS IN THE 1% CHANCE THAT HE TOOK THIS MYTHICAL DEBATE DRUG HIMSELF, THAT HE WERE TO GIVE A GOOD PERFORMANCE AND SAY EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK, WE ARE GOING TO TEST MORE. IT WILL STOP TOMORROW. HE WILL UNTO ANYTHING HE DOES SO THAT GUY IS GOING TO SHOW UP AND THAT GUY IS LOSING AND THAT GUY IS COUNTING ON JOE BIDEN TO -- I DON'T KNOW, HAVE SOME KIND OF HEALTH EVENT THAT DISQUALIFIES HIMSELF. THAT IS A PRETTY PASSIVE PLAN. >> PHILIPPE, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION HAVING TO DO WITH GENDER BECAUSE YOU RAISE THIS NOTION OF DONALD TRUMP INTERRUPTING SECRETARY CLINTON DURING THE DEBATE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND AT THE RISK OF ALIENATING YOU, PHILIPPE, WE ARE GOING TO PLAY, FOR SOME OF OUR VIEWERS HERE WHO MAY HAVE MISSED OUR MONTAGE OFF THE TOP JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE SAW IN 2016. LET'S LISTEN. >> IT IS JUST AWFULLY GOOD THAT SOMEONE WITH THE TEMPERAMENT OF DONALD TRUMP IS NOT IN CHARGE OF THE LAW IN OUR COUNTRY. >> BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE IN JAIL. -- >> SECRETARY CLINTON? -- >> YOU KNOW, PHILIPPE I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THE QUESTION IS BUT I THINK I START WITH THIS IDEA. DO YOU THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE EXPECTATION OF A MALE CANDIDATE VERSUS A FEMALE CANDIDATE WHEN IT COMES TO ENGAGING IN THESE KINDS OF VERBAL CONFRONTATIONS IN A PLACE LIKE A GENERAL ELECTION DEBATE? >> THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT. NO ONE TONIGHT IS GOING TO LOOK AT JOE BIDEN AND SAY, OH, HE INTERRUPTED DONALD TRUMP, HOW TESTY OF HIM OR HOW TOUCHY OF HIM. HILLARY CLINTON WAS THE FIRST MAJOR PARTY NOMINEE AND WITHOUT GOING DOWN THIS PATH TOO MUCH, WE LOOK AT THESE DEBATES AND WE LOOK AT MOMENTS LIKE THESE AND WE TRY TO ENVISION A PRESIDENT. WE ONLY HAD 45 MEN WHO HAVE BEEN -- 44 MEN WHO HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT SO IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE A WOMAN. HILLARY HERSELF HAS WRITTEN HER IN HER BOOK THAT MOMENT LATER ON WHERE HE IS STALKING HER TAT I WANTED TO TURN AROUND AND GET BACK OFF BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE WOULD APPLAUD AND THINK THAT IS GREAT, IN HINDSIGHT WOULD SHE HAVE DONE IT, BUT WOULD ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT DOES SHE HAVE THE TEMPERAMENT? SHE WOULD LOSE HER COOL? DID SHE CHOOSE WORDS I WON'T SAY ON FAMILY-FRIENDLY MEDIA? AND JOE BIDEN DOESN'T -- MAKE SO SORRY, PHILIPPE I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT BUT DOES THAT MEAN JOE BIDEN HAS AN ADVANTAGE THAT HILLARY CLINTON DIDN'T. >> IT IS. I MEAN, THAT ONE CLIP HE SAID, SHE IS SUCH A NASTY WOMAN. YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL SITTING HERE LIKE YOU, I REMEMBER THAT WOMAN, JUST ANOTHER DAY IN OUR LIVES. HE WOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT, HE'S NOT GOING TO SAY, HE MIGHT SAY TO CHRIS WALLACE, THAT'S A NASTY QUESTION OR THAT IS SUCH A NASTY PERSON AND MAYBE HE SAYS IT TO JOE BIDEN, YOU ARE SO NASTY BUT IT IS DIFFERENT. WHEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT HE WON'T SAY, WHICH HE SAID TO HILLARY, SHE DOESN'T HAVE THAT PRESIDENTIAL LOOK. I DON'T THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HER TIE OR LACK OF. HE WAS SAYING, "SHE'S A WOMAN." THAT SHE IS SHORTER, SHE CAN'T BENCHPRESS AS MUCH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING BUT YOU KNOW IT WHEN YOU HEAR IT AND NOTICE IT IS NOT SOMETHING JOE BIDEN WILL DEAL WITH AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO HIS BENEFIT. HILLARY, I LOVE HER TO DEATH AND I HAVE WORKED FOR HER SINCE 2002 BUT SHE IS AN INCREDIBLY ANNOYING IN BEING RIGHT 4 TO 5 YEARS TOO EARLY. >> IF YOU ARE JOE BIDEN, DO YOU SEE THESE DEBATES MORE AS AN OPPORTUNITY OR A POTENTIAL LIABILITY GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS CONTEST? >> NO, I WOULD BE EXCITED. FIRST OF ALL, AS A HUMAN, THESE PEOPLE GET NERVOUS, TOO AND HE SPENDS TIME FIGURING OUT WHAT KIND OF TYHEE SHOULD WEAR BUT IF I WERE JOE BIDEN, HE KNOWS HE IS READY. IT MIGHT GET UGLY. HE WILL HAVE GOOD MOMENTS. HE WILL HAVE BAD MOMENTS BUT HE KNOWS THAT THIS IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO AUDIENCES THAT MIGHT NOT EVER SEE HIM. THIS IS JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE TONIGHT THAT ARE TUNING IN TO FOX TO WATCH TUCKER WHO ARE GOING TO SAY OMAK THAT WAS OH, I'M BUMPING INTO A DEBATE AND THEY WILL SEE THEM FOR 90 MINUTES WITHOUT A FILTER. THEY MIGHT BE YELLING AND TALKING OVER EACH OTHER BUT IT IS NOT UNTIL LATER AT NIGHT THAT THE LIKES OF SEAN HANNITY GETS THEIR HANDS ON THESE CLIPS AND STARTS TO SAY OTHER THINGS. AND THAT DOES NOT BENEFIT DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP NEEDS THAT FILTER. HE NEEDS THE ARTIFICIAL, THE GUY, BERT HUMES SAID HE IS CONVINCED JOE BIDEN IS SENILE. YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS? JOE BIDEN DOES NOT SEE NOW AND WE ARE ALL ABOUT TO SEE THAT HE IS NOT SENILE AND YES, THESE ARE OPPORTUNITIES AND IN VERY SIMPLE TERMS, THE DEBATE IS A HUGE MOMENT BUT JUST ANOTHER MOMENT. HIS CONVENTION SPEECH WAS A MOMENT. IS BEING YESTERDAY AT A RALLY WAS A MOMENT. IS GIVING A SPEECH NEXT WEEK IS A MOMENT. A CAMPAIGN IS THE TOTALITY OF MOMENTS AND JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN CONSISTENT. WHAT JOE BIDEN SAYS TONIGHT IS WHAT HE WILL SAY TOMORROW, WHAT HE SAID LAST MONTH AND THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING WITH ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT PUT HIM IN OFFICE. DONALD TRUMP, TONIGHT, SOME OF IT WILL BE THE SAME BUT HE IS SO PROUD OF THE FACT HE HAS NEW LINES OF ATTACK ON JOE BIDEN. I'M SORRY, 35 DAYS LEFT AND YOU ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO SAY THEN YOU ARE NOT JUST BLOWING A BIG MOMENT, YOU HAVE BEEN BLOWING EVERY MOMENT UNTIL NOW. >> ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE ARE MINUTES AWAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >>> STILL TO COME, WE WILL TALK PRESIDENT TRUMP'S STRATEGY TONIGHT WITH RNC SENIOR ADVISOR FOR DATA, KATIE WELLS SHIELDS. STAY WITH US, YOU'RE STREAMING "RED AND BLUE." >> MAYBE HE DOESN'T WANT US WATCHING TONIGHT BECAUSE WE WILL NO HE HASN'T PAID FEDERAL TAXES. FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS HE HAD TO TURN THEM OVER WHEN HE HAD TO GET A CASINO LICENSE AND THEY SHOWED HE DID NOT PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. HE PAID 0 FOR TROOPS, 0 FOR VETS, 0 FOR SCHOOLS OR HEALTH AND I THINK PROBABLY HE IS NOT ALL THAT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HAVING THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY SEE WHAT THE REAL REASONS ARE. >>> WE ARE JUST MINUTES AWAY FROM THE START OF THE FIRST DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN. MR. TRUMP IS THE FIRST INCOME AND IN 28 YEARS TO ENTER THE FIRST DEBATE TRAILING THE NATIONAL POLLS. KATIE WELLS SHIELDS JOINS ME NOW, A SENIOR ADVISOR FOR DATA AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE AND FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE RNC. COME TO YOU, KATIE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. BOTH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN ARE TRYING TO WIN OVER THE SMALL SLIVER OF UNDECIDED VOTERS. WHAT ROLE DOES A DEBATE PLAY IN ATTRACTING THOSE VOTERS? >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME. I THINK THE DEBATE PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THAT IT WILL BE THE FIRST TIME VOTERS WILL SEE THE PRESIDENT AND FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN ON THE SAME STAGE AS A CONTRAST. I THINK THAT IS A BIG DEAL. WE REALLY HAVE NOT SEEN VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN CAMPAIGN VERY MUCH. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIM ON THE TRAIL. WHEN WE HAVE, HE HAS HAD A CERTAIN LEVEL OF GAS AND THAT WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT VOTERS CAN SEE THEM SIDE BY SIDE, A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR A SMALL SLIVER OF VOTERS BUT I THINK IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL LET OUR AUDIENCE KNOW ON THE LEFT OF YOUR SCREEN WE ARE LOOKING AT LIVE PICTURES OR WE WERE OF CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY WHERE THE DEBATE IS SET TO GET UNDERWAY MINUTES FROM NOW. WE KNOW THE BASIC TOPICS FOR TONIGHT, KATIE. WHICH ONES DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT COULD USE TO HIS ADVANTAGE THE MOST OUT OF THE LIST? >> I THINK THE ECONOMY IS CLEARLY THE PRESIDENT'S STRONG SUIT. I THINK HE WILL TALK A LOT ABOUT THE 10.6 MILLION NEW JOBS HE HAS CREATED IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS SINCE WE KIND OF REOPENED POST SHUTDOWN OF CORONAVIRUS AND THAT WILL BE SOMETHING HE WILL COME BACK TO OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS TIED TO GET GETTING PEOPLE BACK TO WORK OPENING SCHOOLS, GETTING KIDS BACK AND SCHOOLS. A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THEIR HEALTHCARE FROM THEIR WORK, THEIR JOBS SO YOU WILL SEE THE PRESIDENT COME BACK OVER AND OVER AND I THINK IT IS VITAL TO MAKE SURE WE GET PEOPLE BACK TO WORK AND CONTRASTING THAT WITH JOE BIDEN WHO HAS DIRECTLY SAID, HE WOULD BE FOR ANOTHER SHUTDOWN IF WE HAD ANOTHER OUTBREAK. >> I DO WANT TO ASK YOU MORE ABOUT THE PANDEMIC BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE A NUMBER OF CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC. WE KNOW FROM POLLING THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE SKEPTICAL ABOUT A VACCINE. THE PRESIDENT INSISTS ONE WILL BE READY WITHIN WEEKS. MEDICAL EXPERTS THOUGH WHO WORK FOR HIM SAY THAT IS NOT TRUE AND I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT'S APPROACHED SHOULD BE IN TALKING ABOUT THIS GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THERE ARE AMERICANS WHO LOOK AT THIS NOTION OF ONE OF VACCINE COMES OUT, THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THEY WON'T NECESSARILY BE IN LINE 1st TO GET IT BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF POLITICAL KIND OF CONVERSATION SURROUNDING THE PUSH FOR THIS FAXING. >> I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ACTUALLY MADE AN EVEN BIGGER POLITICAL STATEMENT ON THIS. YOU HAVE SEEN SENATOR HARRIS COME OUT AND SAY SHE ACTUALLY WOULD NOT TAKE THE VACCINE EVEN IF IT CAME OUT. I THINK THAT CONFUSES THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT WHO I THINK HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF HIS OPERATION WARP SPEED AND TAKING REGULATION OUT OF THE DRUG APPROVAL PROCESS TO BRING IT TO MARKET FASTER. I THINK ONCE WE HAVE A VACCINE IT WILL COME IN RECORD TIME AND I THINK YOU WILL SEE THE DEMOCRATS, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SENATOR HARRIS CONSTANTLY SKETICAL OF IT AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL SEE THROUGH THAT. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SAYS THIS VACCINE SHOULD NOT BE COULD POLITICAL. WE NEED TO PROTECT SENIORS, GET BACK TO WORK, PROTECT VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS AS IT RELATES TO COVID SO I THINK IT WILL KIND OF SEE THROUGH THAT >> ALL RIGHT, FAMILY MEMBERS FROM BOTH CANDIDAES ENTERING THE DEBATE HALL. THERE YOU SEE THE MODERATOR FOR FOX NEWS CHRIS WALLACE ADDRESSING THE AUDIENCE NOW, BUT CERTAINLY A SIGN OF THESE COVID-19 TIMES. YOU SAW THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS WERE ALL WEARING MASKS AND THEIR CHAIRS APPEARED TO BE SOCIALLY DISTANCE. I DO ALSO WANT TO ASK YOU KATIE ABOUT HEALTHCARE. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE SPECIFICS ON THE PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE PLAN? AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT IT GETTING PAST THE DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED CONGRESS? >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SEEN MANY THINGS GET THROUGH IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, OR EXCUSE ME, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WITH THE DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED HOUSE, SO I'M NOT TERRIBLY ESTIMATE STICK THAT ANYTHING WOULD GET PAST WITH THIS DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED HOUSE. BUT I DO THINK THEY WILL TALK TERMS AND KINDS THIS SOUNDS, LOWERING PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES. IT IS NOT HISTORICALLY POSITION REPUBLICANS HAVE TAKEN SO I THINK IT IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT HE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK TO SENIORS ABOUT. THE MAIN ISSUE WITH SENIORS OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE LOOK AT PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES, I THINK WE WILL SEE THE PRESIDENT CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THE ELEMENTS OF THE HEALTH CARE PLAN HE THINKS ARE IMPORTANT BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH CHANCE ANYTHING GETS THROUGH THE DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED HOUSE. >> SO, WE SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY SORT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR PIECEMEAL KIND OF ELEMENTS AS YOU SAY OF WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN HEALTHCARE? >> I'M SURE THE WHITE HOUSE, THEY PUT ON POLICY PAPER THAT KIND OF OUTLINES WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A BILL, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT WILL, I THINK, UNDERSTAND THAT GETTING SOMETHING TO A DEMOCRAT- CONTROLLED HOUSE IS VERY UNLIKELY AND SO HE WILL CONTINUE TO PUT HIS BENCHMARKS OUT AND SAY THESE ARE THE THINGS I WOULD WANT IN A HEALTHCARE BILL. IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT WITH HEALTHCARE, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY. AND I THINK YOU WILL MAYBE PUT OUT PAPERS, HE WAS SEE THE PRESIDENT WILL TAKE THAT DIRECTLY BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE ANY MOVEMENT ON IT. AND SO I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT THEY THINK IS IMPORTANT BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL SEE AN ACTUAL BILL, JUST BECAUSE. >> ALL RIGHT, KATIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME. >>> AND, THE FIRST DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN IS ABOUT TO GET STARTED. LET'S GO TO OUR CBS NEWS PRIMETIME SPECIAL. >>> WE WILL DO IT TOGETHER. >> FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. >> THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. >> MAYBE WILL BE GREAT AT THE DEBATE. YOU KNOW, HE HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR 47 YEARS. >> THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL DEBATE. >> PREPARING FOR DEBATES AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> I CAN HARDLY WAIT. >> O'Donnell: GOOD EVENING. I'M NORAH >>> GOOD EVENING. I'M NORAH O'DONNELL WITH GAYLE KING AND JOHN DICKERSON IN THE NATION'S CAPITAL. WHERE JUST MOMENTS AWAY FROM THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, JOE BIDEN. AFTER MONTHS OF LOVING LONG- DISTANCE ATTACKS, AIDES FROM BOTH CANDIDATES SAY TONIGHT THE GLOVES AND THE MASKS WILL COME OFF, TWO MEN ARRIVED AT THE DEGREES HALL IN CLEVELAND A SHORT TIME AGO. THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTED TO SHAKE HANDS BECAUSE OF THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC. >> LET'S NOT FORGET IS A COMMON THE ART TONIGHT, THIS VIRUS HAS KILLED MORE THAN 205,000 AMERICANS. THIS PANDEMIC HAS LED THE U.S. INTO AT THIS WORST ECONOMIC CONTRACTION SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, MORE THAN 26 MILLION AMERICANS ARE CLAIMING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, AND TWO LATE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THROWN A LIT MATCH INTO AN ALREADY VOLATILE RACE. THE REPUBLICANS EFFORTS TO QUICKLY REPLACE THE LATE RUTH BADER GINSBURG WITH THE CONSERVATIVE JUDGE AMY CONEY BARRETT AND THE LATEST REVELATIONS ABOUT PRESENT TRUMP'S TAXES. >> SO THE STAGE IS SET FOR THIS FIRST SHOWDOWN, THERE WILL BE NO OPENING STATEMENTS. CHRIS WALLACE OF FOX NEWS WILL BE ASKING THE QUESTIONS, HE WAS CHOSEN BY THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE COMMISSION. AND HE HAS IDENTIFIED SIX MAIN TOPICS. THE TRUMP AND BIDEN RECORDS, THE SUPREME COURT, COVID-19, THE ECONOMY, RACE AND VIOLENCE IN CITIES, AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTION. >> IT IS GOING TO BE QUITE A NIGHT AHEAD. LET'S BRING IN BEN TRACY AT THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN? >> WE ARE HEARING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS READY TO JUST AND THAT HE FEELS THAT JOE BIDEN'S FAMILY AND HIS COGNITIVE ABILITIES ARE FAIR GAME IN THIS DEBATE. THE PRESIDENT IS EXPECTING THE FIRST QUESTION OUT OF THE GATE WILL BE ABOUT HIS TAXES, THESE REVELATIONS THAT HE BASICALLY DID NOT PAY ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAX FOR YEARS, WE ARE ALSO TOLD THEY ARE TRYING TO PLAY DOWN THE PRESIDENT PREPARATION FOR THIS DEBATE, THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN PRACTICING AND THEY SAY HE IS READY FOR ANY QUESTION THAT MAY COME HIS WAY. >> BEN TRACY, LET'S TURN OUT TO ED O'KEEFE, HE IS IN THE DEBATE HALL WHERE THE ANTICIPATION IS BUILDING. >> Reporter: GOOD EVENING. WAS A GET ROCKING AND ROLLING HERE IN CLEVELAND TONIGHT, EXPECT BIDEN AND FOCUS ON TWO KEY THINGS, THE PRESIDENT'S TAXES AND HIS HANDLING OF THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC, AND THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN. IS AIDES BELIEVE IF HE KEEPS FOCUSED ON THOSE TWO ISSUES HE CAN MAINTAIN HIS LEAD IN BATTLEGROUND STATES. ONE THING WE SHOULD NOT EXPECT BIDEN TO DO TONIGHT IS SERVE AS A REAL-TIME FACT CHECKER. YOU SUGGESTED EARLIER THIS MONTH THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED TO DO, HIS AIDES NOW SAY HE WILL INSTEAD TRY SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE MAC AND PEOPLE. HERE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT, WE COUNT ABOUT 107 INVITES GUESTS, THAT IS DOWN FROM THE USUAL 900. WHO WILL DESERVE THESE DEBATES IN PERSON. >> THANK YOU. JOHN, DOES TRUMP KNOW THAT HE HAS TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS RACE OF THE STANDS NOW? >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN HEAR BEN TRACY SAY IT, WHICH IS HE'S GOING TO BE GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE HE WANTS TO SHAKE THINGS UP. >> THE DEBATE IS ABOUT TO BEGIN. HERE NOW, THE MODERATOR, CHRIS WALLACE. >>> AN EVENING, FROM THE HEALTH EDUCATION CAMPUS OF CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY AND THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. I AM CHRIS WALLACE OF FOX NEWS AND I WELCOME YOU TO THE FIRST OF THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES. BETWEEN PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP AND FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. THIS DEBATE IS SPONSORED BY THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES. THE COMMISSION HAS DESIGNED THE FORMAT, SIX ROUGHLY 15 MINUTE SEGMENTS WITH TWO-MINUTE ANSWERS FROM EACH CANDIDATE TO THE FIRST QUESTION, THEN OPEN DISCUSSION FOR THE REST OF THE EXCITEMENT. BOTH CAMPAIGNS HAVE AGREED TO THESE RULES. FOR THE RECORD, I DECIDED THE TOPICS AND THE QUESTIONS AND EACH TOPIC, I CAN ASSURE YOU NONE OF THE QUESTIONS HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION OR THE TWO CANDIDATES. THIS DEBATE IS BEING CONDUCTED UNDER HEALTH AND SAFETY PROTOCOLS DESIGNED BY THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. WHICH IS SERVING AS THE HEALTH, SECURITY ADVISOR TO THE COMMISSION, FOR ALL FOUR DEBATES. AS A PRECAUTION, BOTH CAMPAIGNS HAVE AGREED THE CANDIDATES WILL NOT SHAKE HANDS AT THE BEGINNING OF TONIGHT'S DEBATE. THE AUDIENCE HERE IN THE HALL HAS PROMISED TO REMAIN SILENT. NO CHAIRS, NO BOOZE, OR OTHER INTERRUPTIONS, SO WE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU, AND FOCUS ON WHAT THE CANDIDATES HAVE TO SAY. NO NOISE EXCEPT RIGHT NOW, AS WE WELCOME THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN. [ APPLAUSE ] >> HOW YOU DOING, MAN >> HOW ARE YOU DOING, MAN? >> [ INAUDIBLE ] >> GENTLEMEN, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS NIGHT, SO LET'S GET GOING. OUR FIRST SUBJECT IS THE SUPREME COURT. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU NOMINATED AMY CONEY BARRETT OVER THE WEEKEND TO SUCCEED THE LATE RUTH BADER GINSBURG ON THE COURT. YOU SAY THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR ABOUT YOUR OBLIGATION AND THE SENATES TO CONSIDER A NOMINEE TO THE COURT. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU SAY THAT THIS IS AN EFFORT BY THE PRESIDENT AND REPUBLICANS TO JAM THROUGH AN APPOINTMENT AND WHAT YOU CALL AN ABUSE OF POWER. MY FIRST QUESTION TO BOTH OF YOU TONIGHT. WHY ARE YOU RIGHT, IN THE ARGUMENT YOU MAKE, AND YOUR OPPONENT WRONG? AND, WHERE DO YOU THINK A JUSTICE SPIRIT WOULD TAKE THE COURT? PRESIDENT TRUMP, IN THIS FIRST SEGMENT, YOU GO FIRST. TWO MINUTES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHRIS. I WILL TELL YOU VERY SIMPLY, WE WON THE ELECTION. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. WE HAVE THE SENATE, WE HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE, AND WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL NOMINEE, RESPECTED BY ALL, TOP, TOP ACADEMIC, GOOD IN EVERY WAY. GOOD IN EVERY WAY. IN FACT, SOME OF HER BIGGEST ENDORSERS ARE VERY LIBERAL PEOPLE. FROM NOTRE DAME AND OTHER PLACES. SO, I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC. WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. EVEN IF WE DID IT AFTER THE ELECTION ITSELF, I HAVE A LOT OF TIME AFTER THE ELECTION, AS YOU KNOW. SO I THINK THAT SHE WILL BE OUTSTANDING. SHE IS GOING TO BE AS GOOD AS ANYBODY THAT HAS SERVED ON THAT COURT. WE REALL FEEL THAT. WE HAVE A PROFESSOR AT NOTRE DAME, HIGHLY RESPECTED BY ALL, SAID SHE IS THE SINGLE GREATEST STUDENT HE HAS EVER HAD, HE HAS BEEN A PROFESSOR FOR A LONG TIME AT A GREAT SCHOOL. AND WE WON THE ELECTION AND THEREFORE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE HER AND VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOWINGLY WOULD SAY OTHERWISE. AND BY THE WAY, THE DEMOCRATS, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY ARE TRYING TO DO IT FASTER. THERE IS NO WAY THEY WOULD GIVE IT UP. THEY HAD A GARLAND BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THEY DID NOT HAVE THE ELECTION. SO THEY WERE STOPPED. AND PROBABLY THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN REVERSE ALSO. DEFINITELY WOULD HAPPEN IN REVERSE. SO WE WON THE ELECTION AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IS, CHRIS. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. SAME QUESTION TO YOU, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> WELL FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS, MR. PRESIDENT. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY ON WHO THEIR SUPREME COURT NOMINEE IS, AND THAT SAY OCCURS WHEN THEY VOTE FOR UNIED STATES SENATORS AND WHEN THEY VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT CHANCE NOW BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION ALREADY. THE ELECTION HAS ALREADY STARTED. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY VOTED. AND SO THE THING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN IS WE SHOULD WAIT. WE SHOULD WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION IS. BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEW, IS BY WHO THEY ELECT AS PRESIDENT AND WHO THEY ELECT AS VICE PRESIDENT. NOW WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE, IS THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE IT CLEAR HE WANTS TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. HE HAS BEEN RUNNING ON THAT, HE RAN ON THAT, AND HE HAS BEEN GOVERNING ON THAT. HE IS IN THE SUPREME COURT RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. WHICH WILL STRIP 20 MILLION PEOPLE FROM HAVING INSURANCE, HEALTH INSURANCE, NOW. IF IT GOES INTO COURT. AND THE JUSTICE -- AND I HAVE NOTHING, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE JUSTICE, SHE SEEMS LIKE A VERY FINE PERSON. BUT SHE HAS WRITTEN BEFORE SHE WENT ON THE BENCH, WHICH WAS HER RIGHT, THAT SHE THINKS THAT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL. THE OTHER THING, AND IF IT IS STRUCK DOWN, WHAT HAPPENS? WOMEN'S RIGHTS ARE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED. ONCE AGAIN, A WOMAN CAN BE HELD TO PAY MORE MONEY BECAUSE SHE HAS A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION AND PREGNANCY. WE ARE ABLE TO, THEY ARE ABLE TO CHARGE A WOMAN MORE FOR THE SAME EXACT PROCEDURE MANDATED, I GUESS. AND THAT ENDED WHEN WE IN FACT PASS THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. AND THERE IS 100 MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND THEY WILL BE TAKEN AWAY AS WELL. THIS PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO LOVE THIS. AND SO IT IS JUST NOT APPROPRIATE TO THIS BEFORE THE SELECTION, IF HE WINS THE ELECTION AND THE SENATE IS DEMOCRAT, OR REPUBLICAN, THEN HE GOES FORWARD. IF NOT, WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL FEBRUARY. >> THERE AREN'T 100 PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. AS FAR AS THE SAY IS CONCERNED, THE PEOPLE ALREADY HAD THEIR SAY. OKAY, JUSTICE GINSBURG SAID VERY POWERFULLY, VERY STRONGLY, AT SOME POINT, 10 YEARS AGO OR SO, SHE SAID A PRESIDENT IN THE SENATE IS ELECTED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT A PRESIDENT IS ELECTED FOR FOUR YEARS. WE ARE NOT ELECTED FOR THREE YEARS, I AM NOT ELECTED FOR THREE YEARS. SO WE HAVE THE SENATE, WE HAVE A PRESIDENT -- DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, WE HAVE AN OPENING. I AM NOT ELECTED FOR THREE YEARS, I AM ELECTED FOR FOUR YEARS. JOE, 100 MILLION PEOPLE IS TOTALLY WRONG. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THE NUMBER. THE BIGGER PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE, IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO EXTINGUISH 180 MILLION PEOPLE WITH THEIR PRIVATE HEALTHCARE, -- >> THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. >> GENTLEMEN, WE ARE NOW INTO OPEN DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD, VICE PRESIDENT. >> NUMBER ONE, HE KNOWS THAT, WHAT I PROPOSED. WHAT I PROPOSED IS THAT WE EXPAND OBAMACARE, AND WE INCREASE IT. AND ONE OF THE BIG DEBATES WE HAD WITH 23 OF MY CALLINGS TRYING TO WIN THE NOMINATION THAT I WON. WE ARE SAYING THAT BIDEN WANTED TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE STILL. THEY CAN. THEY DO. THEY WILL, UNDER MY PROPOSAL. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID AND THAT IS NOT WHAT THE PARTY SAID. YOUR PARTY WANTS TO GO SOCIALIST. AND SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE. AND THEY'RE GOING TO DOMINATE YOU, JOE, YOU KNOW THAT. >> I AM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW. THE PLATFORM OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS WHAT I IN FACT APPROVED OF. WHAT I APPROVED OF. NOW HERE'S THE DEAL. THE DEAL IS THAT IT IS GOING TO WIPE OUT PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS -- BY THE WAY. THE 200,000 PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIED ON HIS WATCH, HOW MANY OF THOSE THAT SURVIVED? THERE'S 7 MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTRACTED COVID. WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THEM GOING FORWARD IF YOU STRIKE DOWN THE VERBAL CARE ACT? >> JOE, YOU HAVE HAD 308,000 MILITARY PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT PROVIDE THEM PROPER HEALTHCARE IN THE MILITARY. SO DON'T TELL ME ABOUT THIS. AND IF YOU ARE HERE, IT WOULD BE 2 MILLION PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU WERE VERY LATE ON THE DRAW. CHINA WAS HEAVILY INFECTED. YOU DID NOT WANT ME TO BAN -- >> MR. PRESIDENT, MR. PRESIDENT? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2 MILLION PEOPLE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, AS A MODERATOR, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT COVID IN THE NEXT SEGMENT, BUT GO AHEAD. >> LET ME FINISH. THE POINT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT ALSO IS OPPOSED TO ROE V WADE. THAT IS ON THE BALLOT AS WELL, IN THE COURT. AND SO THAT IS ALSO AT STAKE RIGHT NOW. AND SO THE ELECTION IS ALL -- >> WHY IS IT ON THE BALLOT? WHY IS IT ON THE BALLOT? IT IS NOT ON THE BALLOT. >> IT IS ON THE BALLOT IN THE COURT. >> I DON'T THINK SO. THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING THERE. AND YOU DON'T KNOW HER VIEW ON ROE V WADE. YOU DON'T KNOW HER VIEW. >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S TALK -- WE HAVE A LOT TO UNPACK HERE, GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE A LOT OF TIME. ON HEALTHCARE, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO ROE V WADE. MR. PRESIDENT, THE SUPREME COURT WIL HEAR A CASE A WEEK AFTER THE ELECTION IN WHICH THE TRUMPET MINISTRATION ALONG WITH 18 STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL ARE SEEKING TO OVERTURN OBAMACARE. TO END OBAMACARE. YOU HAVE SPENT THE LAST -- >> BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GIVE GOOD HEALTHCARE. >> IF I MAY ASK MY QUESTION, SIR. OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, YOU HAVE PROMISED TO REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMACARE BUT YOU HAVE NEVER IN THESE FOUR YEARS, BUT THEY PLAN, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , TO REPLACE OBAMACARE. >> AS I HAVE. OF COURSE I HAVE. WE GOT RID OF THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. EXCUSE ME. I GOT RID OF THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE WHICH WAS -- >> THAT IS NOT COMPREHENSIVE. >> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A BIG THING. THAT WAS THE WORST PART OF OBAMACARE. >> LET ME ASK MY QUESTION. >> WELL, I WILL ASK JOE. THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE WAS THE MOST UNPOPULAR ASPECT OF OBAMACARE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I AM A MODERATOR OF THIS DEBATE AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LET ME ASK MY QUESTION AND THEN YOU CAN ANSWER. >> AHEAD. >> IN THE COURSE OF THESE FOUR YEARS, YOU HAVE NEVER COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO REPLACE OBAMACARE AND, JUST THIS LAST THURSDAY, YOU SIGNED A LARGELY SYMBOLIC EXECUTIVE ORDER TO PROTECT PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, FIVE DAYS BEFORE THIS DEBATE. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE, IS, WHAT IS THE TRUMP HEALTHCARE PLAN? >> ALL RIGHT, FIRST OF ALL I GUESS I AM DEBATING YOU, NOT HIM. BUT THAT IS OKAY, I'M NOT SURPRISED. LET ME JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING. THERE IS NOTHING SYMBOLIC. I AM CUTTING DRUG PRICES, I'M GOING WITH FAVORED NATIONS WHICH NO PRESIDENT IS ENCOURAGED TO DO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING AGAINST BIG PHARMA. DRUG PRICES WILL BE COMING DOWN 80 AND 90%. YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT DURING YOUR 47 YEAR PERIOD IN GOVERNMENT BUT YOU DID NOT DO IT. NOBODY HAS DONE IT. SO WE ARE CUTTING HEALTHCARE. >> OF ALL OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE, I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. INSULIN. IT WAS DESTROYING FAMILIES, DESTROYING PEOPLE BECAUSE I'M GETTING IT FOR SO CHEAP, IT IS LIKE WATER. YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. SO CHEAP. TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE DRUGS THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING, PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES, WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW OUR GOVERNORS NOW TO GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES TO BUY DRUGS BECAUSE THEY PAY JUST A TINY FRACTION. THIS IS BIG STUFF. >> SIR, YOU WILL BE HAPPY, I'M ABOUT TO PICK UP ON ONE OF YOUR POINTS TO ASK THE VICE PRESIDENT, WHICH IS, HE POINTS OUT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD A PUBLIC OPTION TO OBAMACARE, AND THE ARGUMENT HE MAKES, AND OTHER REPUBLICANS MAKE, IS THAT THAT IS GOING TO END PRIVATE INSURANCE -- >> IT IS NOT. SORRY. >> IT WILL END PRIVATE INSURANCE AND CREATE A GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE. >> IT DOES NOT. IT IS ONLY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO POOR THEY QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID, THEY CAN GET THAT FREE. IN MOST STATES, EXCEPT GOVERNORS WHO WANT TO DENY PEOPLE ARE POOR, MEDICAID. ANYONE WHO QUALIFIES FOR MEDICARE, EXCUSE ME, MEDICAID, WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE ENROLLED IN THE PUBLIC OPTION. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD STILL NOT BE IN THAT OPTION. NUMBER ONE. >> SO YOU AGREE WITH BERNIE SANDERS AND THE FAR LEFT ON THE MANIFESTO, WE CALL IT. IT GIVES YOU SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. ARE YOU SAYING YOU DIDN'T AGREE? >> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I BEAT BERNIE SANDERS, NOT BY MUCH. I AM HERE STANDING FACING YOU. >> YOU WOULD HAVE LOST EVERY PRIMARY. YOU GOT VERY LUCKY. >> I GOT VERY LUCKY, I'M GOING TO GET VERY LUCKY TONIGHT AS WELL, AND TONIGHT I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE HERE'S THE DEAL. HERE IS THE DID. THE FACT IS EVERYTHING HE SINGS OF ARE SIMPLY A LIE. I'M NOT HERE TO CALL OUT HIS LIFE, EVERYBODY KNOWS HE'S A LIAR. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- >> MR. PRESIDENT, CAN YOU LET HIM FINISH, SIR? >> HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED. >> THE WRONG GUY, THE WRONG NIGHT, ATTHE WRONG TIME. LISTEN, YOU AGREED WITH BERNIE SANDERS. >> THERE IS NO MANIFESTO, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO -- >> HE JUST LOST THE LEFT. YOU JUST LOST THE LEFT. YOU AGREED WITH BERNIE SANDERS ON A PLAN THAT IS ABSOLUTELY [ INAUDIBLE ] >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT [ INAUDIBLE ] >> SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. >> MR. PRESIDENT. >> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, HE IS NOT FOR ANY HELP FOR PEOPLE NEEDING HEALTHCARE. BECAUSE HE IN FACT ALREADY HAS COST 10 MILLION PEOPLE THERE HEALTHCARE THAT THEY HAD FROM THEIR EMPLOYERS, BECAUSE OF HIS RECESSION. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE 20 MILLION PEOPLE GETTING HEALTHCARE THROUGH OBAMACARE NOW , IF HE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY. HE WILL NOT EVER LOOK YOU IN THE EYE AND SAY THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. TAKE AWAY. >> NO, I WANT TO GIVE BETTER HEALTHCARE AT A MUCH LOWER PRICE BECAUSE OBAMACARE IS [ INAUDIBLE ] >> HE HAS NEVER OFFERED A PLAN. >> I HAVE ALREADY FIXED IT TO AN EXTENT. OBAMACARE AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, BUT PROBABLY DON'T -- >> YOU ARE BOTH SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME. LET THE PRESIDENT -- GO AHEAD. >> OBAMACARE IS NO GOOD. WE MADE IT BETTER. AND I HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE VERY EARLY ON, WE TOOK AWAY THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, THE GUARANTEED PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT TOOK AWAY THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE -- LISTEN. THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. AND THAT DESTROYED -- WE SHOULDN'T EVEN CALL IT A MOMENT HERE. THEY HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE. DO I LET MY PEOPLE RUN IT REALLY WELL OR BADLY? IF I RUN IT BADLY THEY WILL PROBABLY BLAME HIM BUT THEY WILL BLAME ME BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I WANT TO HELP PEOPLE, OKAY? I SAID YOU HAVE GOT TO RUN IT SO WELL. AND I JUST HAD A MEETING WITH THEM, THEY SAID THE PROBLEM IS NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU RUN OBAMACARE,IT IS A DISASTER. IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE, PREMIUMS ARE TOO HIGH, IT DOESN'T WORK. SO WE DO HAVE TO GET RID OF IT, CHRIS, WE WANT TO GET RID OF IT. >> I HAVE TO GIVE YOU ROUGHLY EQUAL TIME. PLEASE UP THE VICE PRESIDENT TALK. >> HE HAS NO PLAN FOR HEALTHCARE. >> OF COURSE WE DO. >> HE SENDS OUT WISHFUL THINKING , HE CAN'T HAVE EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT HAVE NO POWER, HE HASN'T LOWER DRUG COSTS FOR ANYBODY, HE HAS BEEN PROMISING A HEALTHCARE PLAN SINCE HE GOT ELECTED. HE HAS NONE, LIKE ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE HE TALKS ABOUT. HE DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN. HE DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN. AND THE FACT IS, THIS MAN DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. >> I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. IF SENATE REPUBLICANS, WE WERE TALKING ORIGINALLY ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT HERE, IF SENATE REPUBLICANS GO AHEAD AND CONFIRM JUSTICE. BARRETT, THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT ENDING THE FILIBUSTER OR EVEN PACKING THE COURT, ADDING TO THE NINE JUSTICES THERE. YOU CALL THIS A DISTRACTION BY THE PRESIDENT, BUT IN FACT IT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP BY THE PRESIDENT, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOME OF YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES IN THE CONGRESS. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, YOU HAVE REFUSED IN THE PAST TO TALK ABOUT IT, ARE YOU WILLING TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TONIGHT EMMA WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL SUPPORT EITHER ENDING THE FILIBUSTER OR [ INAUDIBLE ]? >> WHATEVER POSITION I TAKEN THAT WILL BECOME THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD SPEAK. YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND VOTE. VOTE AND LET YOUR SENATORS KNOW HOW STRONGLY YOU FEEL. VOTE NOW. MAKE SURE YOU IN FACT LET PEOPLE KNOW, YOUR SENATORS. I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS -- >> THE RADICAL LEFT, LISTEN, WHO IS ON YOUR LIST, JOE? >> GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE ENDED THE SEGMENT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE SECOND SEGMENT. >> THAT WAS REALLY A PRODUCTIVE SEGMENT, WASN'T IT? >> THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, JOE. 47 YEARS, YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING. THEY UNDERSTAND. >> ALL RIGHT, THE SECOND SUBJECT IS COVID-19, WHICH IS AN AWFULLY SERIOUS SUBJECT. SO, LET'S TRY TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT. WE HAVE HAD MORE THAN 7 MILLION CASES OF CORONAVIRUS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND MORE THAN 200,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED. EVEN AFTER WE PRODUCED A VACCINE, EXPERTS SAY THAT IT COULD BE MONTHS OR EVEN YEARS BEFORE WE COME BACK TO ANYTHING APPROACHING NORMAL. MY QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU IS, BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE SAID AND DONE SO FAR, AND WHAT YOU HAVE SAID YOU WOULD DO STARTING IN 2021, WHY SHOULD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TRUST YOU MORE THAN YOUR OPPONENT TO DEAL WITH THIS PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS GOING FORWARD, IN THIS CASE, THE QUESTION GOES TO YOU FIRST, SIR, TWO MINUTES ENTER AND UNINTERRUPTED. >> GOOD LUCK. 200,000 DEAD, YOU JUST SAID OVER 7 MILLION INFECTED IN THE UNITED STATES. WE IN FACT HAVE 5%, 4% OF THE WORLD POPULATION, 20% OF THE DEATHS. 40,000 PEOPLE A DAY ARE CONTRACTING COVID. IN ADDITION TO THAT, ABOUT, BETWEEN 750 AND 1000 PEOPLE THERE A DAY ARE DYING. WHEN HE WAS PRESENTED WITH THAT NUMBER HE SAID IT IS WHAT IT IS. WELL IT IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE, THAT IS WHY IT IS. THE PRESIDENT HAS NO PLAN. HE HASN'T LAID OUT ANYTHING, HE KNEW ALL THE WAY BACK IN FEBRUARY, HOW SERIOUS THIS CRISIS WAS. HE KNEW IT WAS A DEADLY DISEASE. WHAT DID HE DO? HE IS ON TAPE AS ACKNOWLEDGING HE KNEW IT. HE SAID HE DID NOT TELL HER GIVE PEOPLE A WARNING OF IT BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT TO PANIC THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOU DO NOT PANIC, HE PANICKED. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT DID HE DO? HE WENT IN AND WE WERE INSISTING THAT THE CHINESE, THE PEOPLE WE HAD ON THE GROUND IN CHINA SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO WUHAN AND DETERMINE FOR THEMSELVES HOW DANGEROUS THIS WAS. HE DID NOT EVEN ASK TO DO THAT. HE TOLD US WHAT A GREAT JOB SHE WAS DOING. HE SAID WE OWE HIM A DEBT OF GRATITUDE FOR BEING SO TRANSPARENT WITH US. AND WHAT DID HE DO THEN? HE THEN DID NOTHING, HE WAITED AND WAITED AND WAITED. HE STILL DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN. I LAID OUT BACK IN MARCH EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. AND I LAID OUT AGAIN IN JULY BUT WE SHOULD BE DOING. WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING ALL THE PROTECTIVE GEAR POSSIBLE, WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING THE MONEY, THE HOUSE HAS PASSED, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND GET PEOPLE THE HELP THEY NEED TO KEEP THEIR BUSINESS OPEN. OPEN SCHOOLS, IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF YOUR BUNKER AND GET OUT OF THE SAND TRAP AND GET IN YOUR GOLF COURSE AND GO IN THE OVAL OFFICE AND BRING TOGETHER THE DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS AND FUND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW TO SAVE LIVES. >> IF WE WOULD HAVE LISTENED TO YOU -- >> TWO MINUTES, SIR. >> IF WE WOULD HAVE LISTENED TO YOU, THE COUNTRY WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT WIDE OPEN, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED, NOT 200,000, AND ONE PERSON IS TOO MUCH, IT IS CHINA'S FAULT, IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, THEY STOPPED IT FROM GOING IN, BUT IT WAS CHINA'S FAULT. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NUMBERS, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED IN CHINA. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED IN RUSSIA, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED IN INDIA. THEY DON'T EXACTLY GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT COUNT, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE, I CLOSED IT AND YOU SAID HE IS SEEN FROM IT, HE IS A RACIST, WAIT A MINUTE -- YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE CLOSED OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS TERRIBLE. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED IT FOR ANOTHER TWO MONTHS. MY BY DOING IT EARLY, IN FACT DR. FAUCI SAID PRESIDENT TRUMP SAVED THOUSANDS OF LIVES. MANY OF YOU DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS SAID PRESIDENT TRUMP DID A PHENOMENAL JOB. úWE WORKE A REALLY? GO TAKE A LOOK. THE GOVERNOR SAID I DID A PHENOMENAL JOB, MOST OF THEM SAID THAT. IN FACT PEOPLE THAT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY ON MY SIDE SAID THAT. PRESIDENT TRUMP DID A PHENOMENAL JOB. WE DID. WE GOT THE GOWNS, WE GOT THE MASKS, WE MADE THE VENTILATORS. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE MADE VENTILATORS, AND NOW WE ARE WEEKS AWAY FROM A VACCINE, WE ARE DOING THERAPEUTICS ALREADY, FEWER PEOPLE ARE DYING WHEN THEY GET SICK, FAR FEWER PEOPLE ARE DYING, WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. THE ONLY THING I HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE FAKE NEWS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY TO THEM, THEY GIVE YOU BAD PRESS ON IT. IT IS JUST BIG NEWS. THEY GIVE YOU GOOD PRESS, THEY GIVE ME BAD PRESS BECAUSE OUT OF THE WAY IT IS, UNFORTUNATE. BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING I DON'T CARE, I HAVE GOTTEN USED TO IT. BUT I WILL TELL YOU JOE, YOU COULD HAVE NEVER DONE THE JOB WE DID. YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN YOUR BLOOD, YOU CAN NEVER HAVE DONE THAT JOB. >> I KNOW HOW TO DO THE JOB, I KNOW HOW TO GET THE JOB DONE. >> YOU DIDN'T DO VERY WELL IN THE SWINE FLU. H1 N1, YOU ARE A DISASTER. YOU ON CHIEF OF STAFF SAID YOU ARE A DISASTER. >> 14,000 PEOPLE DIED, NOT 200,000. THERE WAS NO ECONOMIC RECESSION. >> YOU MADE A POINT, LET HIM ANSWER. >> WE DID NOT SHUT DOWN THE ECONOMY. THIS IS HIS ECONOMY, HE SHUT DOWN. THE REASON IS SHUT DOWN IS BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU FOLKS AT HOME, HOW MANY GOT UP THIS MORNING AND HAD AN EMPTY CHAIR AT THE KITCHEN TABLE BECAUSE SOMEONE DIED OF COVID? HOW MANY OF YOU WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU LOST YOUR MOM OR DAD AND YOU CANNOT EVEN SPEAK TO THE NURSE HOLDING THE PHONE UP SO YOU COULD IN FACT SAY GOODBYE? >> WE WOULD HAVE LOST FAR MORE PEOPLE, FAR MORE PEOPLE. >> HIS OWN CDC DIRECTOR SAYS WE COULD LOSE AS MANY AS ANOTHER 200,000 PEOPLE BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR. AND THEY SAID IF WE JUST WEAR A MASK WE CAN SAVE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, JUST A MASK. AND BY THE WAY, IN TERMS OF THE WHOLE NOTION OF A VACCINE, WE ARE FOR A VACCINE BUT I DON'T TRUST HIM AT ALL, NOR DO YOU. I KNOW YOU DON'T. WHAT WE TRUST IS THE SCIENTISTS. >> GENTLEMEN, LET ME MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU BOTH HAVE TOUCHED ON ONE OF THE, TWO OF THE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO ASK. FOCUSING ON THE FUTURE FIRST, PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY EITHER CONTRADICTED OR BEEN AT ODDS WITH SOME OF YOUR GOVERNMENTS ON TOP SCIENTISTS. THE WEEK BEFORE LAST THE HEAD OF THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL DR. REDFIELD SAID IT WOULD BE SUMMER BEFORE THE VACCINE WOULD BECOME GENERALLY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. YOU SAID THAT HE WAS CONFUSED AND MISTAKEN, THOSE ARE YOUR TWO WORDS. BUT THE HEAD OF YOUR OPERATION WARP SPEED HAS SAID EXACTLY THE SAME THING. ARE THEY BOTH WRONG? >> WELL, I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE COMPANIES AND WE CAN HAVE IT A LOT SOONER, IT'S A VERY POLITICAL THING BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE THIS WOULD RATHER MAKE IT POLITICAL THEM SAVE LIVES. IT IS A VERY POLITICAL THING. I HAVE SPOKEN TO PFIZER, I HAVE SPOKEN TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO, MODERNA, JOHNSON & JOHNSON, AND OTHERS. THEY CAN GO FASTER THAN THAT BY A LOT. IT HAS BECOME VERY POLITICAL BECAUSE THE LEFT, OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS THE LEFT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD CALL IT -- >> ISN'T AT THE HEAD OF YOUR OPERATION WARP STREET -- >> I DISAGREE WITH THEM. HE DID NOT SAY THAT, BUT HE SAID IT COULD ALSO BE MUCH SIMILAR. >> HE TALKED ABOUT THE SUMMER BEFORE IT IS GENERALLY AVAILABLE. >> HE SAID IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE WILL HAVE THE ANSWER BEFORE NOVEMBER 1st. IT COULD ALSO BE AFTER THAT. WE ARE GOING TO DELIVER RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVE A MILITARY ALL SET UP, LOGISTICALLY THEY ARE ALL SET UP. WE HAVE OUR MILITARY THAT DELIVERS SOLDIERS, AND THEY CAN DO 200,000 TODAY. THEY ARE GOING TO BE -- IT IS ALL SET UP. >> THIS IS THE SAME MAN WHO TOLD YOU BY EASTER THIS WOULD BE GONE AWAY, BUT THE WARM WEATHER, IT WOULD BE GONE, MIRACULOUS, LIKE AMERICA. MAYBE IF YOU INJECT SOME BLEACH IN HER ARM AND THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. THIS IS THE SAME MAN. >> I WAS SAYING THAT SARCASTICALLY AND YOU KNOW THAT. >> HERE IS THE DEAL. THIS MAN IS TALKING ABOUT A VACCINE. EVERY SERIOUS COMPANY IS TALKING ABOUT MAYBE HAVING A VACCINE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT THE DISTRIBUTION OF THAT VACCINE WILL NOT OCCUR UNTIL SOMETIME BEGINNING OR THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR TO GET IT OUT. IF WE GET THE VACCINE. AND PRAY GOD, WE WILL. >> MR. VICE PRESIDENT I WANT TO PICK UP ON THIS QUESTION THOUGH. YOU SAY THE PUBLIC CAN TRUST THE SCIENTISTS BUT THEY CAN'T TRUST PRESIDENT TRUMP, IN FACT YOU SAID THAT AGAIN TONIGHT. YOUR RUNNING MATE SENATOR HARRIS GOES FURTHER SAYING THE PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS, QUOTE, WILL BE MUZZLED, WILL BE SUPPRESSED. GIVEN THE FACT THAT POLLS ALREADY SHOW THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VACCINE AND ARE RELUCTANT TO TAKE IT, ARE YOU AND YOUR RUNNING MATE SENATOR HARRIS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT FEAR? >> NO MORE THAN THE QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED HIM. YOU POINTED OUT, HE PUTS PRESSURE AND DISAGREES WITH HIS OWN SCIENTISTS. >> THE SENATOR HARRIS IS SAYING YOU CAN'T TRUST THE SCIENTISTS. >> NO, YOU CAN TRUST THE SCIENTISTS. SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT. >> SHE'S OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS, QUOTE, WILL BE MUZZLED, WILL BE SUPPRESSED. >> THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO TRY TO DO BUT THERE ARE MILLIONS OF SCIENTISTS, THOUSANDS OF SCIENTISTS OUT THERE LIKE HERE AT THIS GREAT HOSPITAL THAT DO NOT WORK FOR HIM. THEIR JOB DOESN'T DEPEND ON HIM, THAT IS NOT -- THEY ARE THE PEOPLE -- AND BY THE WAY -- >> THE SCIENTISTS THAT ARE IN CHARGE, THEY WILL HAVE THE VACCINE VERY SOON. >> DO YOU BELIEVE FOR A MOMENT WHAT HE IS TELLING YOU IN LIGHT OF ALL THE LIES HE HAS TOLD YOU ABOUT THE WHOLE ISSUE RELATING TO COVID? HE STILL HASN'T EVENING KNOWLEDGE THAT HE KNEW THIS WAS HAPPENING, KNEW HOW DANGEROUS IT WAS GOING TO BE BACK IN FEBRUARY, AND HE DID NOT EVEN TELL YOU. HE IS ON RECORD AS SAYING IT. HE PANICKED OR HE JUST LOOKED AT THE STOCK MARKET, ONE OF THE TWO, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? A LOT OF PEOPLE DIED, AND A LOT MORE ARE GOING TO DIE UNLESS HE GETS A LOT SMARTER A LOT QUICKER. >> SO, MR. PRESIDENT? >> DID YOU USE THE WORD SMART? SO YOU SAID YOU WENT TO DELAWARE STATE BUT YOU FORGOT THE NAME OF YOUR COLLEGE. YOU DIDN'T GO TO DELAWARE STATE, YOU GRADUATED EITHER THE LOWEST OR ALMOST THE LOWEST IN YOUR CLASS. DON'T EVER USE THE WORD SMART WITH ME. DON'T EVER USE THAT WORD. >> OH, GIVE ME A BREAK. >> BECAUS YOU KNOW IT? THERE IS NOTHING SMART ABOUT YOU JOE. 47 YEARS, YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING. LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING, JOE. IF YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THE CHARGE OF WHAT I WAS PUT THROUGH, I HAD CLOSE THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, AND BY THE WAY IT IS BEING BUILT AGAIN. >> WE ARE GETTING INTO THE ECONOMY IN THE NEXT SEGMENT, SIR. >> IT IS GOING UP FAST. >> WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THE VIRUS HAS BEEN HANDLED SO FAR, THE TWO OF YOU HAVE TAKEN VERY DIFFERENT APPROACHES, AND THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT HOW THE VIRUS IS HANDLED GOING FORWARD BY WHICHEVER OF YOU ENDS UP BECOMING THE NEXT PRESIDENT. I WANT TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH SEVERAL OF THOSE. RE-OPENINGS. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE RELUCTANT THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT REOPENING THE ECONOMY AND THE SCHOOLS, WHY, SIR? >> BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN. IF I WERE RUNNING, I KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS. YOU HAVE GOT TO PROVIDE THESE BUSINESSES THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO REOPEN WITH THE PPA AS WELL AS WITH THE SANITATION THEY NEED. YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM -- >> NANCY PELOSI. >> JUST SHUSH FOR A MINUTE. >> IT IS HUMOR. >> BY THE WAY, NANCY PELOSI AND SCHUMER, THEY HAVE A PLAN. HE WON'T EVEN MEET WITH HIM. THE REPUBLICANS WON'T MEET WITH THE SENATE. HE SITS ON HIS GOLF COURSE AND, I MEAN LITERALLY, THINK ABOUT IT. >> YOU PROBABLY PLAY MORE THAN I DO, JOE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS EVERY OPENINGS? >> WELL, HE WANTS TO SHUT DOWN THIS COUNTRY. AND I WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN. WAIT A MINUTE, JOE. JUST FOR ONE SECOND. HE WANTS TO SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY. WE JUST WENT THROUGH IT. WE HAD TO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DISEASE, NOW WE FOUND THAT ELDERLY PEOPLE WITH HEART PROBLEMS AND DIABETES AND DIFFERENT PROBLEMS ARE VERY, VERY VULNERABLE. WE LEARNED A LOT. YOUNG CHILDREN AREN'T, EVEN YOUNGER PEOPLE AREN'T. WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT. BUT HE WANTS TO SHUT IT DOWN. MORE PEOPLE WILL BE HURT BY CONTINUING, IF YOU LOOK AT PENNSYLVANIA, IF YOU LOOK AT CERTAIN STATES THAT HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN THE AFTERMARKET GOVERNORS ALL, ONE OF THE REASONS THEY SHUT DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP IT SHUT DOWN UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION. >> I WANT TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SEGMENT. >> I HAVE GOT TO RESPOND TO THAT. >> GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SUBJECT. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE BEGUN TO INCREASINGLY QUESTION THE EFFECTIVENESS OF MASKS AS A DISEASE PREVENTER, AND IN FACT RECENTLY YOU HAVE CITED THE ISSUE OF WAITERS, TOUCHING THEIR MASKS AND TOUCHING PLATES. ARE YOU QUESTIONING THE EFFICACY OF MASKS? >> NO, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, LOOK, I HAVE A MASK RIGHT HERE. I PUT A MASK ON HERE WHEN I THINK I NEED IT. TONIGHT AS AN EXAMPLE, EVERYBODY HAS HAD A TEST AND YOU HAVE HAD SOCIAL DISTANCING AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO. EYEWEAR MASKS WHEN NEEDED. >> LET ME ASK -- >> I DON'T WEAR MASKS LIKE HIM, EVERY TIME YOU SEE HIM HE HAS GOT A MASK. HE COULD BE SPEAKING 200 FEET AWAY AND HE SHOWS UP AT THE BIGGEST MASK I HAVE EVER SEEN. I WILL SAY -- >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, GO AHEAD, SIR. >> LOOK THE WAY TO OPEN BUSINESSES IS GIVE THEM THE WHEREWITHAL TO BE ABLE TO OPEN. WE PROVIDED MONEY -- >> I WAS ASKING YOU SIR, ABOUT MASKS. >> WELCOME MASKS MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. HIS OWN HEAD OF THE CDC SAID IF WE JUST WORE MASKS BETWEEN NOW AND SOCIAL DISTANCE AND JANUARY, WE WOULD PROBABLY SAVE UP TO 100,000 LIVES. IT MATTERS. >> AND THEY HAVE ALSO SAID THE OPPOSITE. >> NO SERIOUS PERSON SAID THE OPPOSITE. >> DR. FAUCI. DR. FAUCI SAID THE OPPOSITE. VERY STRONGLY. >> WE HAVE A MINUTE LEFT IN THE SEGMENT. >> MASKS ARE NOT GOOD. I'M OKAY WITH MASKS, NOT FIGHTING MASKS. >> I WANT TO MOVE ON WITH ONE THE SUBJECT BECAUSE YOUR DIFFERENT APPROACHES HAVE EVEN AFFECTED THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE CAMPAIGNED PRESIDENT TRUMP YOU'RE HOLDING LARGE RALLIES, WITH CROWDS PACKED TOGETHER, THOUSANDS OF FEET OUTSIDE -- YES SIR, AGREED. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU ARE HOLDING MUCH SMALLER EVENTS. >> BECAUSE NOBODY WILL SHOW UP. IT'S TRUE, NOBODY SHOWS UP TO HIS EVENTS. >> IN ANY CASE, WHY ARE YOU HOLDING THE BIG RALLIES? WHY HAVE YOU NOT? YOU GO FIRST, SIR. >> BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. I'M DOING A GREAT JOB AS A PRESIDENT, I HAVE 25, 35,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP AT AIRPORTS. >> ARE YOU NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE DISEASE ISSUE SIR? >> SO FAR WE HAVE HAD NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. IT'S OUTSIDE, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE ACCORDING TO THE EXPERTS, WE DID THEM OUTSIDE, WE HAVE TREMENDOUS CROWDS, AS YOU SEE. I MEAN, AND LITERALLY ON 24 HOURS NOTICE. AND JOE DEADLY CIRCLES AND HAS THREE PEOPLE SOME PLACES. >> BY THE WAY, DID YOU SEE ONE OF THE LAST BIG RALLIES HE HAD? A REPORTER CAME UP TO HIM TO ASK HIM A QUESTION, HE SAID NO, NO, NO, STAND BACK, PUT ON YOUR MASK. PUT ON A MASK. HAVE YOU BEEN TESTED? I AM WAY FAR AWAY FROM THOSE OTHER PEOPLE. AND THAT IS WHAT HE SAID. I'M GOING TO BE OKAY. HE'S NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOU. IS NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE PEOPLE OUT THERE. >> WE HAVE HAD NO NEGATIVE EFFECT AND WE HAVE HAD 35, 40,000 PEOPLE AT THESE RALLIES. >> QUICKLY FINISH UP BECAUSE I WANT TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT SUBJECT. >> YES I WOULD, HE HAS BEEN TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE IN THE WAY HE HAS HANDLED THE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND PEOPLE WEARING MASKS, BASICALLY ENCOURAGING THEM NOT TO. AND HE IS A FOOL IN THIS. >> OKAY, IF YOU DO GET THE CROWDS, YOU WOULD'VE DONE THE SAME THING. BUT AGAIN, NOBODY CARES. >> GENTLEMEN, CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE ECONOMY? THE ECONOMY IS I THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY, RECOVERING FASTER THAN EXPECTED FROM THE SHUTDOWN IN THE SECOND QUARTER. THE EMPLOYMENT RATE FELL TO 8.4% LAST MONTH, THE FEDERAL RESERVE SAYS THE HIT TO GROWTH, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THERE, IS NOT GOING TO BE NEARLY AS BIG AS THEY HAD EXPECTED. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU SAY YOU WERE IN A V-SHAPED RECOVERY, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN YOU SAY IT IS MORE OF A KAY SHAPE , WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MEAN TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMY? PRESIDENT TRUMP, IN THE SEGMENT, YOU WILL FIRST. >> SO, WE BUILT THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY, WE CLOSED IT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE CHINA PLAGUE. AND THE PLAGUE CAME IN, WE CLOSED IT DOWN WHICH WAS VERY HARD PSYCHOLOGICALLY TODAY. HE DID NOT THINK WE SHOULD CLOSE IT DOWN AND HE WAS WRONG. AND AGAIN, 2 MILLION PEOPLE WOULD BE DEAD NOW, INSTEAD OF STILL, 204,000 PEOPLE IS TOO MUCH, ONE PERSON IS TOO MUCH. IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED FROM CHINA. BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS, WE CLOSED IT DOWN AND NOW WE ARE REOPENING, AND WE ARE DOING RECORD BUSINESS. WE HAD 10.4 MILLION PEOPLE IN A FOUR MONTH PERIOD THAT WE HAVE PUT BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE, THAT IS OF RECORD THE LIKES OF WHICH NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE. AND HE WANTS TO CLOSE DOWN THE -- HE WILL SHUT IT DOWN AGAIN. YOU WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY. YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, BETWEEN DRUGS AND ALCOHOL AND DEPRESSION, WHEN YOU START SHUTTING IT DOWN, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SOME OF YOUR DEMOCRATIC FRIENDS STATES WHERE THEY HAVE THESE TOUGH SHUTDOWNS, AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO OPEN IT, ONE OF THEM CAME OUT LAST WEEK, YOU SAW THAT, WERE GOING TO OPEN UP NOVEMBER 9th, WHENEVER MIDNIGHT? BECAUSE IT IS AFTER THE ELECTION. THEY THINK THEY ARE HURTING US BY KEEPING THEM CLOSED. THEY ARE HURTING PEOPLE. PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEY CAN SOCIAL DISTANCE, THEY CAN WASH THEIR HANDS, THEY CAN WEAR MASKS. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT THEY HAVE GOT TO OPEN THE STATES UP. WHEN YOU LOOK AT NORTH CAROLINA, WHEN YOU LOOK, AND THESE GOVERNORS ARE UNDER SIEGE. PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS, YOU HAVE TO OPEN THESE STATES UP. IT IS NOT FAIR. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST LIKE BEING IN PRISON. AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH DIVORCE, LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ALCOHOLISM AND DRUGS, IT IS A VERY, VERY SAD THING. AND HE WILL CLOSED ON THE WHOLE COUNTRY. THE SKY WILL CLOSED ON THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. OUR COUNTRY IS COMING BACK INCREDIBLY WELL, SETTING RECORDS AS IT DOES. WE DON'T NEED SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND SAY LET'S SHUT DOWN. >> ALL RIGHT, YOUR TWO MINUTES, SIR, WE NOW MOVE TO YOU. AS I SAID POSING THE QUESTION, THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT IS A V- SHAPED RECOVERY, YOU SAID IT IS A KAY SHAPED RECOVERY, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? >> DIFFERENCES, MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES LIKE HIM, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COVID CRISIS, HAVE DONE VERY WELL. AND OTHER BILLIONAIRES HAVE MADE ANOTHER $300 BILLION. BECAUSE OF HIS PROFLIGATE TAX PROPOSAL AND HE ONLY FOCUSED ON THE MARKET. BUT YOU FOLKS AT HOME, YOU FOLKS LIVING IN SCRANTON AND CLAYMONT AND ALL THE SMALL TOWNS AND WORKING-LASS TOWNS IN AMERICA, HOW WELL ARE YOU DOING? THIS GUY. A TOTAL OF $750 IN TAXES. >> YOU HAVE AGREED TO THE TWO MINUTES, SO PLEASE LET HIM HAVE IT. >> DO I GET MY TIME BACK? THE FACT IS THAT HE HAS WORKED ON THIS IN A WAY THAT HE IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO LEAVE OFFICE, HAVING FEAR JOBS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION THAN WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT. FEWER JOBS. THE AND WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT. FIRST ONE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. SECONDLY, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE FRONT LINES. THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SAVING OUR LIVES, THOSE PEOPLE WHO WENT OUT THERE DYING, PEOPLE PUTTING THEMSELVES IN THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ALL TRY TO MAKE IT. AND THE IDEA THAT HE IS INSISTING THAT WE GO FORWARD AND OPEN WHEN YOU HAVE ALMOST HALF THE STATES IN AMERICA WITH A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN COVID DEATHS AND COVID CASES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND HE WANTS TO OPEN IT UP MORE. WHY DOES HE WANT TO OPEN IT UP? WHY DOESN'T HE TAKE CARE OF THE AMERICAN -- HE CANNOT FIX THE ECONOMY UNTIL YOU FIX THE COVID CRISIS. AND HE HAS NO INTENTION OF DOING ANYTHING ABOUT MAKING IT BETTER FOR YOU ALL AT HOME IN TERMS OF YOUR HEALTH AND YOUR SAFETY. SCHOOLS, WHY AREN'T SCHOOLS OPEN? BECAUSE IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO OPEN THEM SAFELY. YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE, IS A MINISTRATION IS GOING TO GIVE THE TEACHERS AND SCHOOL STUDENTS MASKS, THEN THEY DECIDED NO, COULD NOT DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. NOT A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES. NOTHING. THEY ARE CLOSING. ONE IN SIX IS NOW GONE. HE OUGHT TO GET ON THE JOB AND TAKE CARE OF THE NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SO WE CAN OPEN SAFELY. >> ALL RIGHT, YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT. >> WILL YOU BOTH HAD TWO MINUTES, SIR. >> EXCUSE ME, HE MADE A STATEMENT. >> SO DID YOU. >> NO, PEOPLE WANT THEIR SCHOOLS OPEN. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SHUT DOWN. THEY DON'T WANT THEIR STATE SHUTDOWN, THEY WILL THE RESTAURANTS -- I LOOK AT NEW YORK, IT IS SO SAD WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NEW YORK, IS ALSO A GHOST TOWN AND I'M NOT SURE IT CAN NEVER RECOVER. PEOPLE WANT THEIR PLACES OPEN, THEY WANT TO GET BACK TO THEIR LIVES. >> PEOPLE LIKE TO BE SAFE. >> THEY WANT TO BE CAREFUL BUT THEY WITH THEIR SCHOOLS OPEN. BY THE WAY, I BROUGHT BACK BIG TEN FOOTBALL. IT WITH ME, AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO DO IT, PEOPLE OF OHIO ARE VERY PROUD OF ME. >> GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO GET TO YOUR ECONOMIC PLANS úGOI FIRST MR. PRESIDENT, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THERE IS ANY REPORT THAT IN 2016, THE YEAR YOU WERE ELECTED PRESIDENT IN 2017, YOUR FIRST YEAR AS PRESIDENT, THAT YOU PAID $750 A YEAR IN FEDERAL INCOME TAX, EACH OF THOSE YEARS. I KNOW THAT YOU PAY A LOT OF OTHER TAXES, BUT I AM ASKING YOU THE SPECIFIC QUESTION, IS IT TRUE THAT YOU PAID $750 IN FEDERAL INCOME TAXES EACH OF THOSE TWO YEARS? >> I PLAYED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TAXES, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INCOME TAX, AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THERE WAS A STORY IN ONE OF THE PAPERS, I PAID $38 MILLION ONE YEAR. I PAID $27 MILLION ONE YEAR. >> SHOW US YOUR TAX RETURNS. >> YOU WILL SEE IT AS SOON AS ú. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, GO TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, THERE IS 118 PAGE OR SO REPORT THAT SAYS EVERYTHING I HAVE, EVERY BANK I HAVE, I AM TOTALLY UNDER LEVERAGED BECAUSE THE ASSETS ARE EXTREMELY GOOD. AND WE HAVE A VERY -- I BUILT A GREAT COMPANY. >> I AM ASKING A SPECIFIC QUESTION WHICH IS -- I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. KNOW, MR. PRESIDENT, I AM ASKING YOU A QUESTION. WILL YOU TELL US HOW MUCH YOU PAID IN FEDERAL INCOME TAXES IN 2016 AND 2017? >> MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> YOU PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? SO NOT 750? >> MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND YOU WILL GET TO SEE IT. >> WHEN? >> CHRIS, LET ME JUST ADD SOMETHING. THAT IT WAS THE TAX LOVE, I DON'T WANT TO PAY TAX, BEFORE CAME HERE, I WAS A PRIVATE DEVELOPER. I WAS A PRIVATE BUSINESS PEOPLE, LIKE EVERY OTHER PRIVATE PERSON, UNLESS THEY ARE STUPID, THEY GO THROUGH THE LAWS AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS. HE PASSED A TAX BILL THAT GAVE US ALL THESE PRIVILEGES FOR DEPRECIATION AND FOR A TAX CREDIT, WE BUILD A BUILDING AND WE GET TAX CREDITS LIKE THE HOTEL ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, WHICH BY THE WAY WAS GIVEN TO ME BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT. NOW THE MEN GOT FIRED RIGHT AFTER THAT HAPPENED. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU WANT TO RESPOND? >> YEAH, I DO WANT TO RESPOND. LOOK, A TAX CODE THAT MADE HIM, THAT PUT HIM IN A POSITION THAT HE PAYS LESS TAX THAN A SCHOOLTEACHER, ON THE MONEY A SCHOOLTEACHER MAKES, IS BECAUSE OF HIM TAKING -- HE SAYS HE IS SMART BECAUSE HE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TAX CODE. AND HE DOES TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TAX CODE. THAT IS WHY AM GOING TO ELIMINATE THE TRUMP TAX CODES. WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT THOSE TAX CODES. AND MAKE SURE THAT WE INVEST IN THE PEOPLE WHO IN FACT NEED THE HELP. PEOPLE OUT THERE NEED HELP. >> FOOT-WIDE DIDN'T YOU DO IT OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS? >> BECAUSE YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT SCREWING THINGS UP. >> YOU REALLY SENATOR -- >> YOU'RE THE WORST PRESIDENT AMERICA HAS EVER HAD, COME ON. >> IN 47 MONTHS, I HAVE DONE MORE THAN YOU HAVE DONE IN 47 YEARS, JOE. WE HAVE DONE THINGS THAT YOU NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF DOING. INCLUDING FIXING THE BROKEN MILITARY, THAT YOU GAVE ME. YOU'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF YOUR VETS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY. <font color="#FF0000"><u> WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT </u></font> YOUR PLANS GOING FORWARD BECAUSE MR. VICE PRESIDENT, YOUR ECONOMIC PLAN, IF YOU WERE TO BE ELECTED PRESIDENT, IS FOCUSES A LOT ON THE GOVERNMENT. BIG TAXES, BIG SPENDING. I WANT TO FOCUS FIRST ON THE TAXES. YOU PROPOSED MORE THAN $4 TRILLION OVER A DECADE IN NEW TAXES ON INDIVIDUALS MAKING MORE THAN $400,000 A YEAR AND ON CORPORATIONS. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THAT KIND OF AN INCREASE IN TAXES IS GOING TO HURT THE ECONOMY AS IT IS JUST COMING OUT OF A RECESSION. >> WELL, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE ANALYSIS DONE BY WALL STREET FIRMS, POINTS OUT THAT MY ECONOMIC PLAN WOULD CREATE 7 MILLION MORE JOBS THAN HIS IN FOUR YEARS, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, IT WOULD CREATE AN ADDITIONAL $1 TRILLION IN ECONOMIC GROWTH, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ABOUT BUYING AMERICAN, THAT WE HAVE TO -- WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS -- THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPEND $600 BILLION A YEAR ON EVERYTHING FROM SHIPS TO STEAL TWO BUILDINGS AND THE LIKE. AND UNDER MY PROPOSAL WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PENNY OF THAT HAS TO BE MADE BY A COMPANY -- >> BUT RESPECTFULLY SIR, I'M TALKING ABOUT TEXAS, AND I SPENDING. >> BY THE WAY I'M GOING TO ELIMINATE SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF TAX. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE CORPORATE TAX 28%, IT SHOULD NOT BE 21%. YOU HAVE 91 COMPANIES, AND THE FORTUNE 500, WHO DO NOT PAY A SINGLE PENNY IN TAX MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT BEFORE WHEN YOU ARE VICE PRESIDENT QUICK >> BECAUSE YOU ARE IN FACT PASS THAT. >> I GOT IT DONE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? OUR ECONOMY BOOMED LIKE IT HAS NEVER BLOOMED BEFORE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, LET ME PICK UP ON THAT. YOU WOULD CONTINUE YOUR FREE- MARKET APPROACH, MORE TAXES, MORE DEREGULATION, RIGHT? >> NOT LOWER THE TAX FOR THE MAC AND PEOPLE. >> BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY BOOMING, IT TURNS OUT THAT IN OBAMA'S FINAL THREE YEARS AS PRESIDENT, MARK JOTT MORE JOBS WERE CREATED, MILLION AND A HALF MORE JOBS THAN IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF YOUR PRESIDENTE. >> THEY HAD THE SLOWEST RECOVERY SINCE 1929. IT WAS THE SLOWEST RECOVERY. ALSO, THEY TOOK OVER SOMETHING THAT WAS DOWN HERE. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS TURN ON THE LIGHTS AND YOU PICKED UP A LOT BUT IT WAS THE SLOWEST ECONOMIC RECOVERY SINCE 1929. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE STOCK MARKET. WHEN THE STOCK MARKET GOES UP, THAT MEANS JOBS, IT ALSO MEANS 401(K)s. IF YOU GOT IN, IF YOU EVER BECAME PRESIDENT WITH YOUR IDEAS, YOU WANT TO TERMINATE MY TAXES, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT. YOU WILL LOSE HALF OF THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE POURED IN HERE, THEY WILL LEAVE. AND PLENTY OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE, THEY WILL BE FOR OTHER PLACES. THEY WILL LEAVE AND YOU WILL HAVE A DEPRESSION THE LIKES OF WHICH YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN. >> LOOK, WE INHERITED THE WORST RECESSION SHORT OF A DEPRESSION IN AMERICAN HISTORY. I WAS ASKED TO BRING IT BACK. WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE AN ECONOMIC RECOVERY THAT CREATED THE JOBS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE HANDED HIM A BOOMING ECONOMY. HE BLEW IT. >> IT WASN'T BOOMING, IT WAS THE WEAKEST RECOVERY SINCE 1929. >> IS IT FAIR TO SAY HE BLEW IT WHEN IN FACT THERE WAS A RECORD LOW IN EMPLOYMENT BEFORE COVID? >> YOU, BECAUSE WHAT HE DID, EVEN BEFORE COVID, MANUFACTURING WENT IN THE HOLE. MANUFACTURING WENT IN THE HOLE. NUMBER ONE. THIS GIVES ME, CHRIS, WAITS -- CHRIS, CHRIS. THEY SAID IT WOULD TAKE A MIRACLE TO BRING BACK MANUFACTURING. I BROUGHT BACK 700,000 JOBS, THEY BROUGHT BACK NOTHING. THEY GAVE UP ON MANUFACTURING. >> WE DID NOT DO THAT. I AM THE GUY THAT BROUGHT BACK THE AUTOMOBILE INDUSTRY. I WAS ASKED TO BRING BACK CHRYSLER AND GENERAL MOTORS, WE BROUGHT THEM BACK RIGHT HERE IN THE STATE OF OHIO AND MICHIGAN. HE BLEW IT, THEY ARE GONE. HE BLEW IT. AND IN FACT THEY ARE GONE -- >> OHIO HAD THE BEST YEAR IT HAS EVER HAD LAST YEAR. MICHIGAN HAD THE BEST YEAR THEY HAVE EVER HAD, MANY CAR COMPANIES CAME IN FROM GERMANY, WENT TO MICHIGAN AND THEN WENT TO OHIO. AND THEY DID NOT COME [ INAUDIBLE ] >> SO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY DONE. HE HAS DONE VERY LITTLE.'S TRADE DEALS IN THE SAME WAY. HE TALKS ABOUT THESE GREAT TRADE DEALS. YOU KNOW, HE TALKS ABOUT THE ART OF THE DEAL, CHINA HAS PERFECTED THE ART OF THE STEEL. WE HAVE A HIGHER DEFICIT WITH CHINA NOW THAN WE DID BEFORE BUT WE HAVE THE HIGHEST TRADE DEFICIT WTH MEXICO. >> ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN -- >> NO WONDER, YOUR SON GOES IN AND HE TAKES OUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, TAKES OUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO MANAGE. HE MAKES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND ALSO WELL WE ARE AT IT, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, THE MAYOR OF MOSCOW'S WIFE GAVE HER SON 3 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS, WHAT DID HE DO TO DESERVE IT? WHAT DID HE DO WITH BURISMA TO DESERVE $183,000? >> THAT IS A QUESTION, NOT AN ANSWER. MR. PRESIDENT, MR. PRESIDENT, PLEASE. >> TOTALLY DISCREDITED. TOTALLY DISCREDITED. >> MR. PRESIDENT -- >> IT IS NOT TRUE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S AN OPEN DISCUSSION. PLEASE. >> ITS EFFECT. >> BURISMA WAS 183,000 A MONTH WITH NO EXPERIENCE IN ENERGY? >> MR. PRESIDENT -- >> MY SON DID NOTHING WRONG AND BURISMA. >> MR. PRESIDENT, LET ME HIM ANSWER. >> HE DOESN'T WANT TO ANSWER BECAUSE HE KNOWS I HAVE THE TREES.'S POSITION HAS BEEN TOTALLY, THOROUGHLY DISCREDITED. >> BY WHO? >> BY EVERYONE. BY THE MEDIA, BY OUR ALLIES, BY THE WORLD BANK. BY EVERYONE. HAS DISCREDITED IT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO TESTIFIED UNDER OATH. >> GO AHEAD, AND LISTENING TO YOU. >> TESTIFIED UNDER OATH THAT HIS ADMINISTRATION SAID I DID MY JOB AND I DID IT VERY WELL. WILL GIVE YOU THE LIST. >> GO AHEAD, SIR. >> YOU HAVE ALREADY FIRED MOST OF THEM BECAUSE THEY DID A GOOD JOB. >> WAIT A MINUTE, YOU GET THE FINAL WORD. >> WELL IT IS HARD TO GET ANY WORD IN WITH THIS CLOWN. EXCUSE ME, THIS PERSON. >> MR. PRESIDENT -- >> WHY DID HE DESERVE THE RAIN HALF MILLION FOR MOSCOW? >> HERE IS THE DEAL. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT FAMILIES AND ETHICS, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I MEAN, HIS FAMILY, WE COULD TALK ABOUT ALL NIGHT. >> MY FAMILY ALREADY LOST A FORTUNE BECOMING DOWN AND HELPING US WITH GOVERNMENT. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. >> THIS IS NOT ABOUT MY FAMILY, HIS FAMILY, IT'S ABOUT YOUR FAMILY. THAT IS NOT TRUE, IT DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED. YOU, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. IT IS ABOUT YOU. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> ALL RIGHT, THAT IS AND OF THE SEGMENT. WE ARE MOVING ON. >> CAN I BE HONEST? IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT -- WE STOOD UP. >> THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS NOW. SIR? SIR? >> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. >> GENTLEMEN. I HATE TO RAISE MY VOICE BUT WHY SHOULDN'T I BE DIFFERENT THAN THE TWO OF YOU? SO HERE'S THE DEAL. WE HAVE SIX SEGMENTS, WE HAVE ENDED THAT SEGMENT, WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT SEGMENT. IN THAT SEGMENT, YOU EACH ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO UNINTERRUPTED MOMENT. ON THOSE TWO INTERRUPTED MINUTES MR. PRESIDENT, YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT. I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT RACE BUT IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, GO AHEAD. BUT I THINK THAT THE COUNTRY WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IF WE ALLOWED BOTH PEOPLE TO SPEAK WITH YOUR INTERRUPTIONS. I AM APPEALING TO YOU SIR, TO DO THAT. >> WELL, AND HIM TOO. >> WELL, FRANKLY YOU HAVE BEEN DOING MORE INTERRUPTING. >> THAT IS RIGHT, BUT HE DOES 20. >> SIR, SEND YOU HAVE. BUT PLEASE CONTINUE ON. THE ISSUE OF RACE. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU SAY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S RESPONSE TO THE VIOLENCE IN CHARLOTTESVILLE THREE YEARS AGO , WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT VERY FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES, WAS WHAT DIRECTL THAT YOU TO LAUNCH THIS RUN FOR PRESIDENT? >> OH YEAH, SURE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE OFTEN SAID THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE DONE MORE FOR BLACK AMERICANS THAN ANY PRESIDENT WITH A POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN. MY QUESTION FOR THE TWO OF YOU IS, WHY SHOULD VOTERS TRUST YOU RATHER THAN YOUR OPPONENT TO DEAL WITH THE RACE ISSUES FACING THIS COUNTRY OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS? VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU GO FIRST. >> IT IS ABOUT EQUITY AND EQUALITY. IT IS ABOUT DECENCY, IT IS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION. AND WE HAVE NEVER WALKED AWAY FROM TRYING TO REQUIRE EQUITY FOR EVERYONE, EQUALITY FOR THE WHOLE OF AMERICA. BUT WE HAVE NEVER ACCOMPLISHED IT. BUT WE HAVE NEVER WALKED AWAY FROM IT LIKE HE HAS DONE. IT IS TRUE, THE REASON I GOT IN THE RACE AS MOST PEOPLE CLOSE YOUR EYES, REMEMBER WHAT THIS PEOPLE LOOK LIKE COMING OUT OF THE FIELD CARRYING TORCHES, THEIR VEINS BULGING, JUST SPEWING ANTI-SOMATIC BIO AND A COMPANY BY THE KU KLUX KLAN, A YOUNG WOMAN GOT KILLED AND ASKED THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE THOUGHT, HE SAID THEY WERE VERY FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SECOND POINT I WOULD MAKE TO YOU, IS THAT WHEN FLOYD WAS KILLED, WHEN MR. FLOYD WAS KILLED, THERE IS A PEACEFUL PROTEST IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT DID HE DO? HE CAME OUT OF HIS BUNKER, HAD THE MILITARY USED TEARGAS ON HIM, SO HE COULD WALK ACROSS TO A CHURCH AND WHOLE OF THE BUBBLE, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT? THE BISHOP OF THAT BARRY CHURCH SAID THAT IT WAS A DISGRACE. THE GENERAL WHO WAS WITH HIM SAID ALL HE EVER WANTS TO DO IS DIVIDE PEOPLE, NOT UNITE PEOPLE A TALL. THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS USED EVERYTHING AS A DOG WHISTLE, TO TRY AND GENERATE RACIST HATRED, RACIST DIVISION. THIS IS A MAN WHO IN FACT, YOU TALK ABOUT HELPING AFRICAN- AMERICANS, ONE IN 1000 AFRICAN- AMERICANS HAS BEEN KILLED BECAUSE OF THE CORONAVIRUS. AND IF HE DOESN'T DO SOMETHING QUICKLY, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, ONE IN 500 WILL HAVE BEEN KILLED. ONE IN 500 AFRICAN-AMERICANS. THIS MAN, THIS MAN IS A SAVIOR OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS? THIS MAN CARES AT ALL? THIS MAN HAS DONE VIRTUALLY NOTHING. LOOKED. THE FACT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT HE TALKS ABOUT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT HE DID. AND WHAT HE DID HAS BEEN DISASTROUS FOR THE AFRICAN- AMERICAN COMMUNITY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, WHY SHOULD AMERICANS TRUST YOU OVER YOUR OPPONENT TO DEAL WITH RACISM? >> WE DID A CRIME BILL, 1994, WHERE YOU CALL THEM SUPER PREDATOR, AFRICAN-AMERICANS, THE SUPER PREDATORS. AND THEY HAVE NEVER FORGOTTEN THAT. SO YOU DID THAT AND THEY CALL YOU SUPER PREDATOR AND I AM MAKING PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL NOW THAT YOU HAVE TREATED THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE TREATED THE BLACK COMMUNITY, ABOUT AS BAD AS ANYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY. YOU DID THE -- AND THAT IS WHY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS, I AM DOING BETTER THAN ANY REPUBLICAN HAS DONE IN A LONG TIME, BECAUSE THEY SAW WHAT YOU DID. YOU CALLED THEM SUPER PREDATORS, AND YOU HAVE CALLED THEM WORSE THAN THAT. BECAUSE YOU LOOK BACK AT YOUR TESTIMONY OVER THE YEARS, YOU HAVE CALLED THEM A LOT WORSE THAN THAT, AS FAR AS THE CHURCH IS CONCERNED AND AS FAR AS THE GENERALS ARE CONCERNED, WE JUST GOT THE SUPPORT OF 250 MILITARY LEADERS AND GENERALS. TOTAL SUPPORT. LAW ENFORCEMENT, ALMOST EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT GROUP IN THE UNITED STATES, I HAVE FLORIDA, I HAVE TEXAS, I HAVE OHIO, I HAVE PORTLAND, THE CHAIR SHERIFF JUST CAME OUT TODAY AND HE SAID I SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY THE WORD LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE IF YOU SAY THOSE WORDS YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE ALL OF YOUR RETICLE OF SUPPORTERS. AND WHY ARE YOU SAYING THOSE WORDS? WHY DON'T YOU SAY THE WORDS LAW ENFORCEMENT? BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT, IF THEY CALLED US IN PORTLAND, WE WOULD PUT OUT THAT FIRE IN A HALF AN HOUR, BUT THEY WILL NOT DO IT BECAUSE THEY ARE RUN BY RADICAL LEFT DEMOCRATS. IF YOU LOOK AT CHICAGO, IF YOU LOOK AT ANYPLACE YOU WANT TO LOOK, SEATTLE, THEY HEARD WE WERE COMING IN THE FOLLOWING DAY AND THEY PUT UP THEIR HANDS AND WE GOT BACK SEATTLE. MINNEAPOLIS, WE GOT IT BACK, JOE, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN LAW AND ORDER. BUT YOU DON'T. THE TOP 10 CITIES IN JUST ABOUT THE TOP 40 CITIES ARE RUN BY DEMOCRATS AND IN MANY CASES, RADICAL LEFT. AND THEY HAVE GOT YOU AROUND THEIR FINGER, JOE, TO A POINT WHERE YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LAW AND ORDER. AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WANT AND DEMAND LAW AND ORDER, AND YOU ARE AFRAID TO EVEN SAY IT. >> ALL RIGHT, I WANT TO RETURN TO THE QUESTION OF RACE. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, AFTER THE GRAND JURY AND THE BREONNA TAYLOR CASE DECIDED NOT TO CHARGE ANY OF THE POLICE WITH HOMICIDE, YOU SAID IT RAISES THE QUESTION, QUOTE, "WHETHER JUSTICE COULD BE EQUALLY APPLIED IN AMERICA." DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A SEPARATE BUT UNEQUAL SYSTEM OF JUSTICE FOR BLACKS IN THIS COUNTRY? >> YES THERE IS. THERE IS SYSTEMIC INJUSTICE IN THIS COUNTRY, IN EDUCATION, AND WORK AND IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND THE WAY IN WHICH IT IS ENFORCED. BUT LOOK, THE VAST MAJORITY OF POLICE OFFICERS ARE GOOD, DECENT, HONORABLE MEN AND WOMEN. THEY RISK THEIR LIVES EVERY DAY TO TAKE CARE OF US. THAT THERE ARE SOME BAD APPLES AND WHEN THEY OCCUR, WHEN THEY FIND THEM THEY HAVE TO BE SORTED OUT. THEY HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. THEY HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AND WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS, TOGETHER AN ENTIRE GROUP OF PEOPLE AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHILE EVERYTHING FROM THE SELLER IS GROUPS TO POLICE OFFICERS, POLICE CHIEFS, AND WERE GOING TO WORK THIS OUT. SO WE CHANGE THE WAY IN WHICH WE HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY, AND WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN. THESE COPS ARE NOT HAPPY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE FLOYD. THESE COPS ARE NOT HAPPY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO BREONNA TAYLOR. MOST DO NOT LIKE IT. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE ARE HELD ABOUT ACCOUNTABLE, AND BY THE WAY, VIOLENCE AND RESPONSES NEVER APPROPRIATE. NEVER APPROPRIATE. PEACEFUL PROTEST IS. VIOLENCE IS NEVER APPROPRIATE. >> WHAT IS PEACEFUL PROTESTING? WHEN THEY RUN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE TOWN AND BURN DOWN STORES AND KILL PEOPLE ALL OVER THE PLACE? THAT IS NOT PEACEFUL PROTESTING. THAT YOU SAY IT IS. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE ISSUE OF RACE, I PROMISE WE WILL GET TO THE ISSUE OF LAW AND ORDER IN A MOMENT. THIS MONTH, YOUR ADMINISTRATION DIRECTED FEDERAL AGENCIES TO AND RACIAL SENSITIVITY TRAINING THAT ADDRESSES RIGHT PRIVILEGE OR CRITICAL RACE THEORY. WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT. TO TEACH VERY BAD IDEAS AND FRANKLY VERY SICK IDEAS AND REALLY THEY WERE TEACHING PEOPLE TO HIT OUR COUNTRY AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT OR ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COURT VALUES OF THIS COUNTRY. THEY WERE TEACHING PEOPLE THAT OUR COUNTRY IS A HORRIBLE PLACE A RACIST PLACE AND THEY WERE TEACHING PEOPLE TO HIT OUR COUNTRY AND I WON'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HURT OTHER PEOPLES FEELINGS BUT IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE A GIGANTIC DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY A CHILD IS ABLE TO GROW UP AND HAVE A SENSE OF SELF-ESTEEM. IT'S LIKE HOW THIS GUY AND HIS FRIENDS LOOKED DOWN ON SO MANY PEOPLE AND LOOK DOWN THEIR NOSE ON PEOPLE LIKE IRISH CATHOLICS LIKE ME THAT GREW UP IN SCRANTON, PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY, PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT FATE, PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT COLOR. WE ARE ALL AMERICANS AND FEEL THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER IS BRINGING EVERYBODY TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CANNOT DO IF WE GO TOGETHER. WE CAN TAKE THIS ON AND WE CAN DEFEAT RACISM IN AMERICA. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> DURING THE OBAMA BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THERE IS TREMENDOUS DIVISION. THERE'S HATRED, IF YOU LOOK AT FERGUSON AND LOOK AT VERY MANY PLACES LIKE OAKLAND. WEIBO HAPPENED IN OAKLAND, AND BALTIMORE. IT WAS MORE VIOLENCE THAN WHAT I'M EVEN SEEING NOW. THE REASON IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE AROUND THESE CITIES DON'T WANT TO TALK LIKE YOU ABOUT LINED ORDER. YOU STILL HAVEN'T MENTIONED -- ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF LAW AND ORDER? >> LED FINISH. >> LAW AND ORDER WITH JUSTICE OR PEOPLE GET TREATED FAIRLY. BY UNHARMED DOWN 15% IN OUR ADMINISTRATION AND HAS GONE UP ON HIS WATCH. HE IS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES -- >> MISTER PRESIDENT -- WE ARE NOW GOING TO TALK ABOUT LAW AND ORDER. >> PLACES WE HAD TROUBLE OR DEMOCRATIC RUN CITIES. >> THERE HAVE BEEN A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN HOMICIDES IN AMERICA THIS SUMMER AND WE WENT TO OUR DEMOCRATIC MAYORS AND DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS BUT THERE HAD BEEN EQUIPMENT SPIKES IN REPUBLICAN-LED CITIES LIKE TULSA AT FORT WORTH SO THE QUESTION IS IS THIS REALLY A PARTY ISSUE? I THINK IT IS BUT IF YOU LOOK AT CHICAGO WHAT'S GOING ON IN CHICAGO WE ARE 43 PEOPLE ARE SHOT AND 8 DIED. IF YOU LOOK AT NEW YORK WHERE IT'S GOING UP LIKE NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT, 150% 20% OF CRIME, IT'S CRAZY WHAT'S GOING ON AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO SAY LAW IN ORDER BECAUSE HE CAN'T BECAUSE HE WILL LOSE ISLAMIC ARRIVED SUPPORTERS AND ONCE HE DOES THAT IT'S OVER WITH.. IF YOU GOT TO RUN THIS COUNTRY AND THEY RUN IT THE WAY HE WOULD WANT TO RUN IT WE WOULD HAVE OUR SUBURBS GONE. OUR SUBURBS WILL BE GONE AND YOU WOULD SEE PROBLEMS LIKE YOU -- >> HE WOULD NOT SEE A SUBURBAN IF YOU TALK A LOT WRONG TURN. I WAS RAISED IN THE SUBURBS, THIS IS AT 90 50. THE RACISM DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE. SUBURBS OF BILE ARE GENERATED ALREADY PEOPLE TODAY DRIVING THEIR KIDS TO SOCCER PRACTICE AND OR TO BLACK AND WHITE HISPANIC IN THE SAME CAR AS THERE HAVE BEEN ANYTIME IN THE PAST.. BUT REALLY IS A THREAT TO THE SUBURBS AND THEIR SAFETY IS HIS FAILURE TO DEAL WITH COVID. THEY ARE DYING IN THE SUBURBS AND HIS FAILURE TO DEAL WITH THE ENVIRONMENT. THEY ARE BEING FLOODED, BEING BURNED OUT BECAUSE HE HAS REFUSED TO DO ANYTHING. THAT'S WHERE THE SUBURBS ARE IN TROUBLE. >> I WANT TO TALK WITH THIS ISSUE OF LAW AND ORDER AND IN THE JOINT RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM THE BIDEN BERNIE SANDERS TASK FORCE, YOU TALKED ABOUT REIMAGINING POLICING. WHAT DOES REIMAGINING POLICING MEAN AND DO YOU SUPPORT -- IF I MIGHT FINISH THE QUESTION, WHAT IS WE MADDENING POLICE AND DO YOU SUPPORT THE BLACK LIVES MATTER CALL FOR COMMUNITY CONTROL OF POLICING I'M OPPOSED TO DEFENDING THE POLICE OFFICERS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, LOCAL POLICE, THEY ARE ALREADY FINDING IN HIS BUDGET CALIFORNIAN DOLLAR CUT IN LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE, THEY NEED MORE ASSISTANCE. THEY NEED WHEN YOU SHOW FOR A 9/11 COLLEGE OF SOMEONE WITH THEM WHO IS A PSYCHOLOGIST OR PSYCHOLOGIST TO KEEP THEM FROM HAVING TO USE FORCE WOULD BE ABLE TO TOUGH PEOPLE DOWN WITH OF COMMUNITY POLICING LIKE WE HAD BEFORE IT WHERE THE OFFICERS GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES. THAT'S WHEN CRIME WENT DOWN. I DIDN'T GO UP, IT WENT DOWN. WE HAVE TO BE ENGAGED -- >> THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, CHRIS. HE'S TALKING ABOUT DEFUNDING THE POLICE. >> THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY LAW -- HE HAS NO LAW ENFORCEMENT -- >> THAT'S NOT TRUE. LOOK -- >> WHO DO YOU HAVE? NAME ONE GROUP THAT SUPPORTS YOU. NAME ONE GROUP THAT CAME OUT AND SUPPORTED YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK. WE HAVE TIME. >> WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO ANYTHING -- >> ALL RIGHT. >> NAME ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT GROUP THAT CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF. YOU >> GENTLEMEN, I'M GLAD TO TAKE BACK -- I WANT TO GET TO ANOTHER SUBJECT WHICH IS THE ISSUE OF PROTESTS IN MANY CITIES THAT HAVE TURNED VIOLENT. IN PORTLAND, OREGON, ESPECIALLY, WE HAD MORE THAN 100 DAYS OF PROTESTS WHICH I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE -- WE TALK TO A PEACEFUL PROTEST -- MANY HAVE TURNED INTO RIOTS. MISTER VICE PRESIDENT, YOU SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. THE QUESTION I HAVE, THE, IS, FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, AND EARLIER THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW, THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR OF OREGON AND SAID HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO STOP THIS, BRING THE NATIONAL GUARD, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES BUT IT WOULD STOP THE DAYS AND MONTHS OF VIOLENCE IN PORTLAND. >> IDAHO PUBLIC OFFICE NOW. I AM A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT. I MADE IT CLEAR, IT MADE IT CLEAR IN MY PUBLIC STATEMENTS THAT THE VIOLENCE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. IT SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. AND ANYONE WHO COMMITS IT -- >> EXCUSE ME, SIR. YOU HAVE NEVER CALLED FOR THE LEADERS IN PORTLAND AND IN OREGON TO CALL AND BRINGING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD AND KNOCK OFF 100 DAYS OF RIOTS. >> THEY CAN, IN FACT, TAKE CARE, BUT IF HE WOULD JUST STAY OUT OF THE WAY. >> OH, REALLY? >> I ASKED A QUESTION. >> IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, THEY SHOT HIM, BUT FOR 3 DAYS -- >> PRESIDENTIAL -- PRESIDENTIAL ROMP. GO AHEAD, SIR. BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, HIS OWN FORMER SPOKESPERSON SAID RIGHTS AND CHAOS HELP HIS CAUSE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID THAT. >> I DO. >> WHO? >> KELLYANNE CONWAY. >> I DON'T THINK SHE SAID THAT. >> SHE SAID THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. >> HERE'S THE POINT. >> GO AHEAD. >> THE POINT IS THAT THAT'S WHAT HE KEEPS TRYING TO ROYAL EVERYTHING UP. HE DOESN'T WANT TO CALM THINGS DOWN. INSTEAD OF GOING IN AND TALKING AND SAY LET'S GET EVER TOGETHER AND FIGURED HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS, WHAT YOU DO? HE WAS GASOLINE IN THE FIRE. >> OKAY, AND TO END THIS, BUT NONE OF THE SEGMENT, I'LL GIVE YOU TO ANSWER, SIR, YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY CRITICIZED -- YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY -- NOW, YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING -- >> HE MADE A STATEMENT. >> I'M ASKING, YOU OUT -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO SWITCH SEATS, WE CAN VERY QUICKLY DO THAT -- >> IT WOULD BE OVER, THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT THE NATIONAL GUARD. >> YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY CRITICIZED THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR NOT CALLING OUT ANTIFA OR OTHER LIFTING EXTRAS GROUPS, BUT ARE YOU WILLING TO CONDEMN WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND MILITIA GROUPS AND TO SAY THAT THEY NEED TO STAND DOWN AND NOT ADD TO THE VIOLENCE IN THE CITIES AS WE SAW IN KENOSHA, AND AS WE'VE SEEN IN PORTLAND? >> SURE, I AM PREPARED TO DO THAT -- >> GO AHEAD, SIR. >> I WOULD SAY ALMOST EVERYTHING I SEE IS FROM THE LEFT WING, NOT FROM THE WHITE RING. I AM WILLING -- I WANT TO SEE PEACE. >> THEN DO IT, SIR. SAY IT. >> YOU WANT TO CALL THEM -- WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL HIM? GIVE THE NAME. >> WHITE SUPREMACISTS. WHITE PRIDE MILITIA. >> STAND BACK AND STAND BY, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ANTIFA AND THE LEFT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A RIGHT WING PROBLEM -- >> IS OWN FBI DIRECTOR SAID -- >> THIS IS A LEFT-WING PROBLEM. >> I KEEP IT AS AN IDEA, NOT AN ORGANIZATION. >> YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. >> THAT'S HIS -- HIS FBI DIRECTOR SAID IT. >> WE ARE DONE, SIR. WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT -- >> THAT'S NOT AN IDEA. ANTIFA IS BAD. >> THE TRUTH IS A BAD IDEA. ANTIFA -- >> GENTLEMEN, WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE TRUMP AND BIDEN RECORDS. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU QUESTION. >> ON THE PRESIDENT SEEKS A 2ND TERM, IT IS GENERALLY A REFERENDUM ON HIS RECORD, WITH VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, ELECTED QUOTE ONE OF YOUR DADS SAYINGS, WHICH IS DON'T COMPARE ME TO THE ALMIGHTY. COMPARE ME TO THE ALTERNATIVE. AND IN THIS CASE, SIR, YOU ARE THE ALTERNATIVE. LOOKING AT BOTH OF YOUR RECORDS, I'M GOING TO ASK EACH OF YOU, WHY SHOULD VOTERS ELECT YOU PRESIDENT OVER YOUR OPPONENT IN THIS SEGMENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU GO FIRST. 2 MINUTES. >> BECAUSE THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ADMINISTRATION OR PRESIDENT WHO HAS DONE MORE THAN I HAVE DONE IN A PERIOD OF 3 AND A HALF YEARS, AND THAT'S DESPITE THE IMPEACHMENT HOAX, AND HE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TODAY WITH HILLARY CLINTON, WHERE IT WAS A WHOLE BIG CONCH ABE, BUT DESPITE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE THINGS, WHERE I HAD TO FIGHT BOTH PLANKS AND BEHIND ME AND ABOVE, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS DONE WHAT I'VE DONE. THE GREATEST BEFORE COVID CAME, AND THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY, LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS. EVERYTHING WAS GOOD, EVERYTHING WAS GOING AND BY THE WAY, THERE IS UNITY GOING TO HAPPEN. PEOPLE WERE CALLING ME FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS, THEY WERE CALLING AND THEY WERE SAYING, IT'S TIME, MAYBE, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? WE GOT HIT, BUT NOW WE ARE BUILDING A BACK UP AGAIN. REBUILDING OF THE MILITARY, INCLUDING SPACE FORCE AT ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS. A FIXING OF THE VA, WHICH WAS A MESS UNDER HIM. 308,000 PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER HEALTH CARE. HE WAS A MESS, AND WE NOW HAVE GOT A 91% APPROVAL RATING AT THE VA, OUR VETS, WE TAKE CARE OF OUR VETS. BUT WE HAVE REBUILT OUR MILITARY. THE JOB THAT WE HAVE DONE, AND I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, SOME PEOPLE SAY, MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT, BY THE END OF THE FIRST TERM, I WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 300 FEDERAL JUDGES AND COURT OF APPEALS JUDGES, 300 AND HOPEFULLY 3 GREAT SUPREME COURT JUDGES, JUSTICES. THAT IS A RECORD, THE LIKES OF WHICH VERY FEW PEOPLE, AND YOU KNOW ONE OF THE REASONS, I WILL HAVE SO MANY JUDGES? BECAUSE PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HIM LEFT ME 128 JUDGES TO FILL. WHEN YOU LEAVE OFFICE, YOU DON'T LEAVE ANY JUDGES. THAT'S LIKE, YOU JUST DON'T DO THAT. THEY LEFT 128 OPENINGS, AND IF I WERE A MEMBER OF HIS PARTY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY, I WOULD SAY, IF YOU LEFT US 128, OPENINGS, YOU CAN'T BE A GOOD PRESIDENT. YOU CAN'T BE A GOOD VICE PRESIDENT. BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU, BECAUSE IT GIVES US ALMOST -- IT WILL PROBABLY BE ABOVE THAT NUMBER, BY THE END OF HIS TERM -- >> SIR -- >> 300 TREASURES. IT'S A RECORD. >> LOOKING AT BOTH YOUR RECORDS, WHY SHOULD VOTERS ELECT YOU PRESENT AS OPPOSED TO PRESIDENT TRUMP? 2 MINUTES, UNINTERRUPTED. >> UNDER THIS PRESIDENT, WE HAVE BECOME WEAKER, SICK, POOR, MORE DIVIDED, AND MORE VIOLENT. WHEN I WAS VICE PRESIDENT, WE INHERITED A RECESSION, I WAS ASKED TO FIX IT. I DID, WE LEFT HIM A BOOMING ECONOMY, AND HE CAUSED A RECESSION. WITH REGARD TO BEING WEAKER, THE FACT IS, THAT I HAVE GONE HEAD TO HEAD WITH PUTIN, AND MADE IT CLEAR TO HIM WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY OF HIS STUFF. HE IS PUTIN'S PUPPY. HE STILL REFUSES TO EVEN SAY ANYTHING PEOPLE TUNE ABOUT THE BOUNTY ON THE HEADS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS. >> YOUR SON -- >> NOW, NO. MR. TRUMP -- WHEN A MINUTE. MISTER PRESIDENT, YOUR CAMPAIGN AGREED TO BOTH SIDES WOULD GET 2 MINUTE ANSWERS, UNINTERRUPTED. WELL, YOUR SIDE AGREED TO IT. AND WHY DON'T YOU OBSERVE WHAT YOUR CAMPAIGN AGREE TO AS A GROUND RULE, OKAY, SIR? >> HE NEVER KEEPS HIS WORD. >> NO, NO, NO -- THAT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION. GO AHEAD, SIR. >> CAN YOU ADD BACK 30 SECONDS? >> YES, YOU MAY HAVE. GO AHEAD. >> THIRDLY, WE ARE POOR. THE BILLIONAIRES HAVE GOTTEN MUCH MORE WEALTHY BY 3 TO 400 BILLION DOLLARS MORE, JUST SINCE COVID. YOU AND -- YOU'VE GOT LESS. YOU ARE IN MORE TROUBLE THAN YOU WERE BEFORE. IN TERMS OF BEING MORE VIOLENT, WHEN WE WERE IN OFFICE, THERE ARE 50% LESS VIOLENCE IN AMERICA THAN THERE IS TODAY. HE'S PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. IT'S ON HIS WATCH. AND WITH REGARD TO MORE DIVIDED, THE NATION CAN'T STAY DIVIDED. WE CAN'T BE THIS WAY. AND SPEAKING OF MY SON, THE WAY YOU TALK ABOUT THE MILITARY, AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THEM BEING LOSERS AND JUST BEING SUCKERS, MY SON WAS IN IRAQ. HE SPENT A YEAR THERE, HE GOT THE BROWN STAR, HE GOT A SERVICE METAL. HE WAS NOT A LOSER, HE WAS A PATRIOT, AND THE PEOPLE LEFT BEHIND THEIR WERE HEROES. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HUNTER? >> I DON'T KNOW BEAU, I KNOW HUNTER. HUNTER GOT THROWN OUT OF THE MILITARY. HE WAS THROWN OUT, DISHONOURABLE-Y DISCHARGED. >> THAT'S NOT TRUE. >> COCAINE, USE AND HE DIDN'T HAVE A JOB UNTIL YOU BECAME VICE PRESIDENT. >> NONE OF THAT IS TRUE. >> HE MADE A FORTUNE IN UKRAINE, IN CHINA, IN MOSCOW, AND VARIOUS OTHER PLACES. >> THAT'S NOT TRUE. >> AND HE DIDN'T HAVE A JOB. >> MY SON, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE WE KNOW IT, HOME HAD A DRUG PROBLEM. HE HAS OVERTAKEN IT. HE IS FIXED. IT HE HAS WORKED ON IT AND I'M PROUD OF HIM. >> WHY WAS HE GIVEN TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS. I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD RATHER HEAR ABOUT MORE SUBSTANTIAL SUBJECTS. AS THE MODERATOR, I'M GOING TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL HERE. >> 3 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE MAYOR OF MOSCOW. >> THAT REPORT IS TOTALLY DISCREDITED. MITT ROMNEY ON THAT COMMITTEE SAID IT WASN'T WORTH TAXPAYERS MONEY. IT WAS WRITTEN FOR POLITICAL REASONS. >> I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. >> SO WHAT I. >> THE FOREST FIRES IN THE WEST ARE RAGING NOW. THEY HAVE BURNED MILLIONS OF ACRES. THEY HAVE DISPLACED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. WHEN STATE OFFICIALS THERE BLAMED THE FIRES ON CLIMATE CHANGE, MISTER PRESIDENT, YOU SAID I DON'T THINK THE SCIENCE KNOWS. OVER YOUR 4 YEARS, YOU HAVE PULLED THE U.S. OUT OF THE PARIS CLIMATE ACCORDS, YOU'VE ROLLED BACK A NUMBER OF OBAMA ENVIRONMENTAL RECORDS. WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, AND WHAT WILL YOU DO IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS TO CONFRONT IT? >> I WANT CRYSTAL CLEAN WATER AND AIR. I WANT BEAUTIFUL CLEAN AIR. WE HAVE THE LOWEST CARBON -- IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS RIGHT NOW, WE ARE DOING PHENOMENALLY. BUT I HAVEN'T DESTROYED OUR BUSINESSES. OUR BUSINESSES AREN'T PUT OUT OF COMMISSION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARIS ACCORD, IT WAS A DISASTER FROM OUR STANDPOINT. AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY VERY HAPPY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE OUR BUSINESSES ARE DOING WELL. AS FAR AS FIRES ARE CONCERNED? YOU NEED FOREST MANAGEMENT IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE. THE FOREST FLOORS ARE COVERED IN TINDER. LEAVES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU DROP A CIGARETTE, THERE THE WHOLE FOREST BURNS DOWN. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE FOREST MANAGEMENT. >> WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, SIR? >> I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HAVE IMMACULATE AIR, IMMACULATE WATER, AND DO WHATEVER ELSE WEEKEND THAT'S GOOD. WE ARE PLANTING A BILLION TREES, A BILLION TREE PROJECT. >> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HUMAN POLLUTION, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, CONTRIBUTES TO THE GLOBAL WARMING OF THIS PLANET? >> I THINK A LOT OF THINGS DO. TO AN EXTENT, YES, BUT I ALSO THINK WE HAVE TO DO BETTER MANAGEMENT OF OUR FOREST. EVERY YEAR, I GET THE CALL. CALIFORNIA'S BURNING. CALIFORNIA'S BURNING. IF THAT WAS CLEANED, IF YOU HAD FOREST MANAGEMENT, GOOD FOREST MANAGEMENT, YOU WOULDN'T BE GETTING THOSE CALLS. IN EUROPE, THEY HAVE FOREST CITIES. THEY MAINTAIN THEIR FOREST. THEY MANAGE THEIR FOREST. I WAS WITH THE HEAD OF A MAJOR COUNTRY. IT'S A FOREST CITY. HE SAID SIR, WE HAVE TREES THAT ARE FAR MORE, THEY IGNITE MUCH EASIER THAN CALIFORNIA. THIS SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. I SPOKE WITH THE GOVERNOR ABOUT. IT I'M GETTING ALONG VERY WELL WITH THE GOVERNOR. AT SOME, POINT YOU CANNOT EVERY YEAR HAVE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF LAND JUST BURNED TO THE GROUND. IT'S BURNING DOWN BECAUSE OF A LACK OF -- >> IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE SCIENCE OF CLIMATE, CHANGE WHY HAVE YOU ROLLED BACK THE OBAMA CLEAN POWER PLAN WHICH LIMITED CARBON EMISSIONS IN POWER PLANTS. WHY HAVE YOU -- >> BECAUSE IT WAS DRIVING ENERGY PRICES THROUGH THE ROOF. >> BY HEAVY RELAXED FUEL ECONOMY STANDARDS THAT WILL CREATE MORE POLLUTION FROM CARS? >> NOT REALLY, BECAUSE THE CAR IS MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, AND IT'S A MUCH SAFER CAR, AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A TINY DIFFERENCE. THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE CAR, YOU WOULD HAVE AT LEAST DOUBLE AND TRIPLE THE NUMBER OF CARS PURCHASED. WE HAVE THE OLD SLUGS OUT THERE THAT ARE 10 OR 12 YEARS OLD. IF YOU DID, THAT THE CAR WOULD BE SAFE, ARE MUCH CHEAPER -- >> IN CALIFORNIA -- >> YOU TAKE A LOT OF CARS OFF THE MARKET BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD A CAR. AND BY THE WAY, WE WILL SEE HOW THAT TURNS OUT. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME, MANY PEOPLE. THE CAR HAS GOTTEN SO EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMPUTERS ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR AN EXTRA LITTLE BIT OF GASOLINE. AND I'M OKAY WITH ELECTRIC CARS TO. I'M ALL FOR ELECTRIC CARS. I'VE GIVEN BIG INCENTIVES FOR ELECTRIC CARS. BUT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN CALIFORNIA IS JUST CRAZY. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, I'D LIKE YOU TO RESPOND TO THE PRESIDENTS CLIMATE CHANGE RECORD, BUT I ALSO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A CONCERN. YOU PROPOSED 2 TRILLION DOLLARS IN GREEN JOBS. YOU TALK ABOUT NEW LIMITS, NOT ABOLISHING, BUT NEW LIMITS ON FRACKING, ENDING THE USE OF FOSSIL FUELS TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY BY 2035, AND ZERO NET EMISSION OF GREENHOUSE GASES BY 2050. THE PRESIDENT SAYS A LOT OF THESE THINGS WOULD TANKED THE ECONOMY AND COST MILLIONS OF JOBS. >> HE'S ABSOLUTELY WRONG, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER 2, IF, IN FACT, DURING OUR ADMINISTRATIONS RECOVERY ACT, I WAS ABLE TO BRING DOWN THE COST OF RENEWABLE ENERGY TO CHEAPER THAN OR AS CHEAP AS COAL AND GAS AND OIL. NOBODY IS GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER COAL FIRED PLANT IN AMERICA. NO ONE'S GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER OIL FIRE PLANT IN AMERICA. THEY WILL MOVE TO RENEWABLE ENERGY, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER 2, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE THE FEDERAL FLEET AND TURNED IT INTO A FLEET THAT'S RUN ON THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, MAKING SURE WE CAN DO THAT. WE'LL PUT 500,000 CHARGING STATIONS ON ALL OF THE HIGHWAYS THAT WE ARE BUILDING IN THE FUTURE. WE ARE GOING TO BUILD AN ECONOMY THAT IN FACT IS GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THE ABILITY TO TAKE 4 MILLION BUILDINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY IN FACT OUR WEATHER EYES IN A WAY THAT THEY WILL AMID SIGNIFICANTLY LESS GAS AND OIL BECAUSE THE HEAT WILL NOT BE GOING OUT. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE CAN DO NOW TO CREATE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF JOBS. WE CAN GET TO NET ZERO, IN TERMS OF ENERGY PRODUCTION, BY 2035. NOT ONLY NOT COSTING PEOPLE JOBS, CREATING JOBS, CREATING MILLIONS OF GOOD PAYING JOBS, NOT $15 AN HOUR, BUT PREVAILING WAGE, BY HAVING A NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IN FACT IS GREEN. AND THE FIRST THING I WILL DO, I WILL REJOIN THE PARIS ACCORD. I WILL JOIN THE PARIS ACCORD, BECAUSE WITH US OUT, OF IT LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING. IT'S ALL FALLING APART. TALK ABOUT SOMEONE WHO HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH FOREIGN POLICY. BRAZIL, THE RAINFOREST IN BRAZIL IS BEING TORN DOWN, RIPPED DOWN. MORE CARBON IS ABSORBED IN THAT RAINFOREST THEN EVERY BIT OF CARBON THAT SUBMITTED IN THE UNITED STATES. INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, I WOULD BE GATHERING UP AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD COMING UP WITH 20 BILLION DOLLARS TO STOP TEARING DOWN THE FOREST. IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES. >> WHAT ABOUT THE ARGUMENT THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS YOU HAVE TO BALANCE ENVIRONMENTAL INTERESTS AND ECONOMIC INTERESTS, AND HE HAS DRAWN HIS LINE. >> HE HASN'T DRAWN A LINE. HE STILL MAKES SURE THAT METHANE ISN'T A PROBLEM. YOU CAN NOW A BIT MORE METHANE WITHOUT IT BEING A PROBLEM. THIS IS A GUY WHO SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MY LUNCH STANDARDS FOR AUTOMOBILES THAT EXIST NOW. THIS IS A GUY WHO SAYS -- >> THAT'S NOT TRUE. >> IT'S ALL TRUE. >> HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN NEW DEAL. AND IT'S 100 TRILLION DOLLARS. THEY WANT TO RIP DOWN BUILDINGS AND REBUILD THE BUILDINGS. IT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUS, WHERE ARROW PLANES ARE OUT OF BUSINESS, WHERE 2 CAR SYSTEMS ARE OUT, WHERE THEY WANT TO TAKE OUT THE COWS, OH, THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER. THAT'S MORE MONEY THAN OUR COUNTRY COULD MAKE IN 100 YEARS. >> THAT IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. >> WAIT A MINUTE, SIR. I ACTUALLY HAVE STUDIED YOUR PLAN, AND IT INCLUDES UPGRADING 4 MILLION BUILDINGS, WHETHER RISING 2 MILLION HOMES OVER 4 YEARS, BUILDING ONE AND A HALF MILLION ENERGY EFFICIENT HOMES,. SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, I THINK SOME PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT WOULD SAY THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL COST A LOT OF MONEY AND HURT THE ECONOMY. >> IT WILL CREATE MILLIONS OF JOBS, GOOD PAYING JOBS. >> LET HIM FINISH. >> HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. >> HE WILL CREATE MILLIONS OF GOOD PAYING JOBS, AND THESE TAX INCENTIVES TO PEOPLE, FOR PEOPLE TO WEATHER EYES, WHICH HE WANTS TO GET RID, OF WILL MAKE THE ECONOMY SAFER. LOOK HOW MUCH WE ARE PAYING NOW TO DEAL WITH THE HURRICANES AND DEAL WITH -- BY THE, WAY HE THINKS WE SHOULD DROP A NUCLEAR WEAPON ON HURRICANES. >> I NEVER SAID. THAT YOU MADE IT UP. YOU MAKE UP A LOT. >> WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN CREATE HARD, HARD, GOOD JOBS BY MAKING SURE THE ENVIRONMENT IS CLEAN AND WE ALL ARE IN BETTER SHAPE. WE SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOW, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON FLOODS, HURRICANES, RISING SEAS. WE ARE IN REAL TROUBLE. LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING JUST IN THE MIDWEST WITH THESE STORMS THAT COME THROUGH AND WIPE OUT ENTIRE SECTIONS AND COUNTIES IN IOWA. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE. IT'S BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING. WE MAKE UP 15% OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEM. WE HAVE TO GET THE REST OF THE WORLD TO COME ALONG. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO GET BACK INTO THE PARIS ACCORD. >> WAIT A MINUTE, CHRIS. WHY DIDN'T HE DO IT FOR 47 YEARS? YOU WERE VICE PRESIDENT. CHINA SENDS UP REAL DIRT INTO THE AIR. RUSSIA DOES. INDIA DOES. THEY ALL DO. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD. BY THE, WAY HE MADE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS. THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS 100 TRILLION DOLLARS -- >> THAT IS NOT MY PLAN. THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS NOT MY PLAN. >> HE MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE MILITARY. HE SAID I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE MILITARY. HE AND HIS FRIENDS MADE IT UP AND THEN THEY WENT WITH IT. I NEVER SAID IT. HE CALLED THE MILITARY STUPID'S. >> PLAY. IT >> MISTER VICE PRESIDENT, ANSWER HIS FINAL QUESTION. >> I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH IT IS. >> I AM HAVING TROUBLE MYSELF. IT WAS ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND THE QUESTION OF WHAT IT WILL COST. THE GREEN NEW DEAL AND THE IDEA OF WHAT YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL DEAL WILL DO. >> THE GREEN NEW DEAL WILL PAY FOR ITSELF AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD PLANTS, THAT IN FACT, OUR GREAT POLLUTING PLANTS. >> DO YOU SUPPORT THE GREEN NEW DEAL? >> NO, I DON'T SUPPORT THE GREEN NEW DEAL. >> OH, YOU DON'T. WELL THAT'S A BIG STATEMENT. >> I SUPPORT THE BIDEN PLAN THAT I PUT FORWARD. >> OKAY. >> THE BIDEN PLAN IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE CALLS THE RADICAL GREEN NEW DEAL. >> GENTLEMEN, FINAL SEGMENT. ELECTION INTEGRITY. AS WE MEET TONIGHT, MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE RECEIVING MAIL-IN BALLOTS OR GOING TO VOTE EARLY. HOW CONFIDENT SHOULD WE BE THAT THIS WILL BE A FAIR ELECTION, AND WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO OVER THE NEXT 5 PLUS WEEKS, BECAUSE IT WILL NOT ONLY BE UNTIL ELECTION DAY, BUT ALSO COUNTING SOME BALLOTS, MAIL-IN BALLOTS, AFTER ELECTION DAY. WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO TO REASSURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THE NEXT PRESIDENT WILL BE THE LEGITIMATE WINNER OF THIS ELECTION? MISTER VICE PRESIDENT, YOU GO FIRST. >> LET PEOPLE VOTE. THEY SHOULD GO TO IOWA VOTE .COM. HIS OWN HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTOR AND THE FBI DIRECTOR SAID THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT MAIL-IN BALLOTS ARE A SOURCE OF BEING MANIPULATED AND CHEATING. THEY SAID THAT. THE FACT IS THAT THERE WILL BE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF COVID THAT ARE GOING TO BE VOTING BY MAIL, LIKE HE DOES, BY THE WAY. HE SITS BEHIND THE RESOLUTE DESK CONSENSUS BALLOT TO FLORIDA. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VOTE IN PERSON ARE ABLE TO VOTE, BECAUSE THE ENOUGH POLL WATCHERS ARE THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN SOCIAL DISTANCE. POLLS ARE OPEN ON TIME, AND POLLS STAY OPEN UNTIL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED. THIS IS ALL ABOUT TRYING TO DISSUADE PEOPLE FROM VOTING, BECAUSE HE'S TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO THINKING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LEGITIMATE. SHOW UP AND VOTE. YOU WILL DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE. IF YOU ARE ABLE TO VOTE EARLY IN YOUR, STATE VOTE EARLY. IF YOU ARE ABLE TO VOTE IN PERSON, VOTE IN PERSON. WHATEVER WAY IS THE BEST WAY FOR YOU, VOTE, BECAUSE HE CANNOT STOP YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION. IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT, WHEN THE VOTES ARE COUNTED, THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED. IF I WIN, THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED. IF I LOSE, THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED. BUT BY THE WAY, IF HE SAYS HE ISN'T SURE WHAT HE WILL ACCEPT, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IF WE GET THE VOTES, IT'S GOING TO BE ALL OVER. HE'S GOING TO GO. HE CAN'T STAY IN POWER. IT WON'T HAPPEN. IT WON'T HAPPEN. SO VOTE. JUST MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR CONTROL TO DETERMINE WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THE NEXT 4 YEARS. IS IT GOING TO CHANGE? WILL YOU HAVE 4 MORE YEARS OF THESE LIES? >> MISTER PRESIDENT, 2 MINUTES? >> WHEN I LISTEN TO JOE TALKING ABOUT A TRANSITION, THERE'S BEEN NO TRANSITION FROM WHEN I WON. I WON THAT ELECTION, AND IF YOU LOOK AT CROOKED HILLARY CLINTON, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, THERE WAS NO TRANSITION, BECAUSE THEY CAME AFTER, ME TRYING TO DO A COUP. THEY CAME AFTER, ME SPYING ON MY CAMPAIGN. THEY STARTED, FROM THE DAY I, ONE AND EVEN BEFORE I WON, FROM THEY WERE A DISASTER. THEY WERE A DISGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY. AND WE'VE CAUGHT THEM. WE'VE CAUGHT THEM ALL. WE'VE GOT IT ALL ON TAPE. WE'VE CAUGHT THEM ALL. AND BY THE, WAY YOU GIVE THE IDEA FOR THE LOGAN ACT AGAINST GENERAL FLYNN. YOU BETTER TAKE A LOOK AT, THAT BECAUSE WE CAUGHT YOU IN A SENSE, AND PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS SITTING IN THE OFFICE. HE KNEW ABOUT IT TOO. DON'T TELL ME ABOUT A FREE TRANSITION. AS FAR AS THE BALLOTS ARE CONCERNED, IT'S A DISASTER. THEY SOLICITED BALLOT, OKAY, SOLICIT, IT IS OKAY. IT'S UNDER, BACK YOU SEND IT BACK. I DID THAT, IF YOU HAVE AN UNSOLICITED -- THEY'RE SENDING MILLIONS OF BALLOTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THERE IS FRAUD, THEY FOUND THEM AND CREEKS, THEY FOUND SOME WITH THE NAME TRUMP, JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE THE NAME TRUMP THE OTHER DAY IN A WASTE PAPER BASKET. THEY ARE BEING SENT ALL OVER THE PLACE. THEY SENT TO IN A DEMOCRAT AREA, WE SAW THAT WITH THOUSAND BALLOTS, EVERYBODY GOT 2 BALLOTS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A FRAUD LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SEEN. THE OTHER THING, IT'S NICE, ON A MEMBER 3RD, YOU ARE WATCHING, AND YOU SEE WHO WON THE ELECTION, AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO DO WELL, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE JOB WE'VE DONE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WON'T KNOW -- WE MIGHT NOT KNOW FOR MONTHS BECAUSE THESE BALLOTS ARE GOING TO BE ALL OVER. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW JERSEY. TAKE A LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN VIRGINIA, AND OTHER PLACES. THEY ARE NOT LOSING 2%, 1%, WHICH BY THE WAY, IS TOO MUCH. AN ELECTION COULD BE LOST FOR THAT. THEY ARE LOSING 30 AND 40%. IT'S A FRAUD, AND IT'S A SHAM. CAN YOU IMAGINE WHEN THEY SAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR BALLOT IN BY NOVEMBER 10TH. NOVEMBER 10TH, THAT MEANS -- THAT 7 DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION, IN THEORY, SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED. WE HAVE MAJOR -- STATES >> -- SIR 2 MINUTES IS 2 MINUTES. PRESIDENTIAL ROMP, YOU ARE GOING TO PEOPLE TO CONTINUE. YOU HAVE BEEN CHARGING FOR MONTHS AT MAIL-IN BALLOTING THAT IT WILL BE A DISASTER, YOU SAY IT'S RIGGED. YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO FRAUD. BUT IN 2018, IN THE LAST MATERNAL ACTION, 31 MILLION PEOPLE VOTED MAIL-IN VOTING. THAT WAS A QUARTER, MORE THAN A QUARTER OF ALL THE VOTERS THAT YOU'RE WHO CAST THEIR BALLOTS BY MAIL. NOW THAT MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS HAVE GONE OUT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, AND ARE YOU COUNTING ON THE SUPREME COURT, INCLUDING A JUSTICE SPARED TO SETTLE ANY DISPUTE? >> I THINK I'M COUNTING ON THEM TO LOOK AT THE BALLOTS, DEFINITELY. I DON'T THINK -- I HOPE WE DON'T NEED THEM, IN TERMS OF THE ELECTION ITSELF. BUT FOR THE BALLOTS, I THINK SO. BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING, IS INCREDIBLE. I JUST HEARD, I READ TODAY THAT AT LEAST 1% OF THE BALLOTS FOR 2016 WERE INVALIDATED. THEY TAKE THEM. WE DON'T LIKE THEM, WE DON'T LIKE THEM. >> MILLIONS OF BALLOTS GOING OUT -- >> YOU DO A SOLICITED BALLOT -- >> KNOW, I KNOW YOUR COMPLAINT. I'M ASKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE -- >> YOU GO AND VOTE. YOU GO AND VOTE. LIKE THE USE, 2 IN THE OLD -- YOU EITHER DO, CHRIS, A SALUTED BALLOT, WHERE YOU ARE SENDING IT IN, SENDING A BACK, AND YOU SEND IT. THEY HAVE MAILMEN LOTS OF -- DID YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON? TAKE A LOOK AT WEST VIRGINIA. MAILMAN SELLING THE BALLOTS. THEY ARE BEING SOLD, THEY ARE BEING DUMPED IN RIVERS. THIS IS A HORRIBLE THING FOR OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS NOT GOING TO END WELL. THIS IS NOT GOING -- >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN -- >> FOR THE LAST DECADE OR MORE. 5, INCLUDING 2 REPUBLICAN STATES. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SALUTE THE BALLOTS. IT'S UNTIL YOU. IT SENT YOUR HOME. WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS, THEY ARE SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE A POSTMARK BY THE TIME, BY ELECTION DAY, IF IT DOESN'T GET IN UNTIL THE 7TH, 8TH, 9TH -- IT STILL SHOULD BE COUNTED. HE'S JUST AFRAID OF COUNTING THE VOTES BECAUSE -- >> YOU ARE WRONG, YOU ARE WRONG. >> I WANT TO CONTINUE WITH YOU, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN. >> CHRIS, HE IS SO WRONG -- >> EXCUSE ME. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, IN FACT, OVER THE YEAR IS WITH MAIL-IN VOTING. IT HAS NOT BEEN FRAUD HISTORICALLY, IT HAS BEEN THAT SIZEABLE NUMBERS, SOMETIMES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLS ARE THROWN OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY FILLED BOUT OR THERE IS SOME OTHER IRREGULARITY OR THEY MISSED THE DEADLINE. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE SUPREME COURT WITH THE JUSTICE SPARED WILL SETTLE ANY DISPUTE? >> I AM CONCERNED THAT ANY COURT WOULD SETTLE THIS, BECAUSE HERE'S THE DEAL. WHEN YOU FILE, WHEN YOU GET A BALLOT, AND YOU FILL IT OUT, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU HAVE SOMEONE SAY THAT THIS IS ME. YOU SHOULD BE BILL TO, IF IN FACT, YOU CAN VERIFY THAT, SEE WHEN THE BEFORE THE BALLOT IS THROWN OUT, THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO PEOPLE TO COUNT THE BALLOTS BECAUSE SOMEONE MADE A MISTAKE, AND NOT DOTTING THE CORRECT ONE. FOR THE VOTED FOR, TESTIFY, SAY WHO THEY VOTED FOR, SO IT'S YOU, THAT IS TOTALLY LEGITIMATE. >> ALL RIGHT. NO, NO -- GENTLEMEN, I HAVE A FINAL QUESTION. >> YOU KNOW IT CAN'T BE DONE. YOU KNOW IT CAN, AND AT ALREADY, THERE IS BEEN FRAUD -- >> WAIT A MINUTE, GENTLEMEN -- THE FINAL QUESTION -- IN 8 STATES -- WE CAN KEEP TALKING. IN 8 STATES, ELECTION WORKERS ARE PROHIBITED CURRENTLY BYLAW, IN 8 STATES, FROM EVEN BEGINNING TO PROCESS BALLOTS. EVEN TAKE THEM OUT OF THE ENVELOPES, AND FLATTEN THEM UNTIL ELECTION DAY. THAT MEANS THAT IT IS LIKELY BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A HUGE INCREASE IN MAIL-IN BALLOTING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW ON ELECTION NIGHT WHO THE WINNER IS, THAT IT COULD BE DAYS, IT COULD BE WEEKS, IT COULD BE MONTHS UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHO THE PRESIDENT IS. SO, FIRST, FOR YOU, SIR, FINALLY, FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT, AND I HOPE NEITHER OF YOU WILL INTERRUPT THE OTHER, WILL YOU URGE YOUR SUPPORTERS TO STAY CALM DURING THIS EXTENDED PERIOD, NOT TO ENGAGE IN ANY CIVIL UNREST, AND WILL YOU PLEDGE, TONIGHT, THAT YOU WILL NOT DECLARE VICTORY UNTIL THE ELECTION HAS BEEN INDEPENDENTLY CERTIFIED? PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU GO FIRST. >> I AM URGING MY SUPPORTERS TO GO INTO THE POLLS AND WATCH VERY CAREFULLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. I AM URGING THEM TO DO IT. AS YOU KNOW, TODAY, THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM. IN PHILADELPHIA, THEY WANTED TO WATCH. THEY ARE CALLED POLL WATCHERS, VERY SAFE, VERY NICE THING. THEY WERE THROWN OUT, THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO WATCH. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE BAD THINGS HAPPEN IN PHILADELPHIA. BAD THINGS. AND I AM URGING, I AM URGING MY PEOPLE. I HOPE IT'S GOING TO BE A FAIR ELECTION. IF IT'S A FAIR ELECTION, I AM 100% ON BOARD. BUT IF I SEE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS BEING MANIPULATED, I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH THAT, AND I WILL TELL -- YOU >> DOES THAT MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO -- >> IMMEDIATE A FRAUDULENT ELECTION. YOU ARE SENDING OUT 80 MILLION BALLOTS. THEY ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO -- THESE PEOPLE AREN'T EQUIPPED TO HANDLE IT. NUMBER ONE, NUMBER 2, THEY CHEAT. THEY CHEAT. HEY, THEY FOUND BALLOTS IN A WASTE PAPER BASKET 3 DAYS AGO, AND THEY ALL HAVE THE NAME MILITARY BALLOTS. THEY WERE MILITARY. THEY ALL HAD THE NAME TRUMP ON THE. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN -- >> YOU THINK THAT'S GOOD? >> FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU. WILL YOU URGE YOUR SUPPORTERS TO STAY CALM WHILE THE VOTE IS COUNTED, AND WILL YOU PLEDGE NOT TO DECLARE VICTORY UNTIL THE ELECTIONS INDEPENDENTLY CERTIFIED? >> YES, AND HERE'S THE DEAL. THEY COUNT THE BALLOTS, AS YOU POINTED OUT. SOME OF THESE BALLOTS IN SOME STATES CAN'T EVEN BE OPENED UNTIL ELECTION DAY. IF THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS, IT'LL TAKE TIME TO DO IT. BY THE WAY, OUR MILITARY, THEY HAVE BEEN VOTING BY BALLOTS SINCE THE END OF THE CIVIL WAR, IN EFFECT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WHY WAS IT NOT -- WHY IS IT FOR THEM, SOMEHOW, NOT FRAUDULENT? IT'S THE SAME PROCESS. IT'S HONEST, NO ONE HAS ESTABLISHED AT ALL THAT THERE IS FRAUD RELATED TO MAIL-IN BALLOTS. THAT SOMEHOW IS A FRAUDULENT PROCESS. >> IT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED. TAKE A LOOK AT CAROLYN MALONEY'S RACE. >> YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. GO AHEAD. >> THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED. >> PRESIDENT, BIDEN GO AHEAD. >> HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. HERE IS THE DEAL, THE FACT IS, I WILL ACCEPTED, HE WILL TOO, YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE ONCE THE WINNER IS DECLARED AFTER ALL THE BALLOTS COUNTED, AFTER ALL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED, THAT WOULD BE THE END OF IT. THAT WILL BE THE END OF IT. AND IF IT'S ME, IN FACT, FINE. IF IT'S NOT ME? I WILL SUPPORT THE OUTCOME, AND I WILL BE A PRESIDENT, NOT JUST FOR THE DEMOCRATS, I WILL BE A PRESIDENT FOR DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, AND THIS GUY -- >> WITH GENTLEMEN. THAT'S THE END OF IT. THIS IS THE END OF THIS DEBATE. >> AN HONEST BALLOT COUNT. WE >> WILL LEAVE IT THERE TO BE CONTINUED, IN MORE DEBATES, AS WE GO ON. PRESIDENT TRUMP, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING HOUR AND A HALF. I WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE FIRST OF 3 DEBATES YOU HAVE AGREED TO ENGAGE IN. WE WANT TO THANK CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY, AND THE CLINIC FOR HOSTING THIS EVENT. THE NEXT DEBATE, SPONSORED BY THE COMMISSION OF PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES, WILL BE ONE WEEK FROM TOMORROW. OCTOBER 7TH, AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH, IN SALT LAKE CITY. THE 2 VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES, VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE AND SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS WILL DEBATE AT 9 AM EASTERN, AND THAT NIGHT, WE HOPE YOU WATCH. UNTIL THEN, THANK YOU, AND GOODNIGHT. >> THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE) >> AND THUS THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF 2020 CONCLUDES A NIGHT OF CHAOS AND INTERRUPTION, WHERE THE -- >> BULLYING. >> THE BULLYING, THE FORMER úVI STATES, SAID THE PRESIDENT, YOU ARE THE WORST PRESIDENT AMERICA HAS EVER HAD. BIDEN APPEARED TO BECOME PREPARED FOR TONIGHT. TRUMP SEEMED PERTURBED, SO TRUMP'S STRATEGY TONIGHT WAS TO INTERRUPT, TO TRY AND STEAM ROLL, NOT ONLY HIS OPPONENT, BUT ALSO THE MODERATOR, WHO WAS UNABLE TO KEEP CONTROL OF THE 2 CANDIDATES. I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ARE ALL ASKING TONIGHT, IS CAN WE REALLY HAVE TO MORE OF THESE DEBATES WITH THE TYPE OF BEHAVIOR THAT WAS DISPLAYED TONIGHT? >> I WAS THINKING, NORAH, I WAS THINKING THE ALL PROBABLY WANT TO DRINK AFTER THIS, BUT ALL FOR VERY DIFFERENT REASONS. I FOUND IT, AT TIMES, PAINFUL TO WATCH, AND VERY DIFFICULT TO WATCH. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ENGAGING IN SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, AND IT WASN'T THAT IT WAS SWEARING, OR CURSING, IT WAS JUST -- I AM LOOKING FOR THE DECORUM AND PARTICULAR LEVEL. XPECT AT THIS AND IT WAS VERY HARD TO GET A TONIGHT. >> AND WE SHOULD REMEMBER, WITH THE STAKES ARE. THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN HIGHER WHILE A DEBATE IS GOING ON. WE HAVE 2000 DEAD FROM COVID. WE HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT IS CRATERING, AND WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT ONGOING RACIAL UNREST OVER THE INJUSTICES IN THE AMERICAN SYSTEM. AND WHEN THE STAKES FOR THAT HIGH, THE DEBATE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LOWER, AND IT WAS NOT AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EXPERIENCE. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO HAS A DUTY AND STEWARDSHIP ROLE AND CARING FOR THOSE 3 THINGS WAS, BY FAR, RESPONSIBLE FOR A GREATER SHARE OF THE JACKET IS UP TONIGHT AT A TIME WHEN AMERICA DOES NOT NEED JACKET. AMERICA IS EXPERIENCING JACKET, AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO THESE 2 GENTLEMEN TO TAKE THE COUNTRY OVER IN THE MIDST OF THIS PERIOD OF JAGGEDNESS. AND THE PRESIDENT CAME THE SOUGHT TO. >> WE WILL HAVE A POLL TONIGHT ABOUT WHO WANT, WE WILL FAST- TRACK TONIGHT, WE WILL HAVE MORE ANALYSIS, WE WILL TALK TO KAMALA HARRIS, SO THERE IS STILL A LOT AHEAD IN THIS HOUR. I WANT TO BRING IN NOW CBS MAJOR GARRETT WHO WAS FACT SHUCKING SOME OF THE CLAIMS TONIGHT. MAJOR? >> NOT ALL THE CLAIMS, NOR, AND IF THE AUDIENCE WOULD'VE ASK ITSELF, WAS CROSSED TOP ONSTAGE NEXT? YES. WE WILL BREAK THAT IS TRUE. NOW, TO SOME OF THE CONVENTIONS MAJOR IN THE DEBATE. OUR FIRST FACT CHECK IT, IS THIS CAME EARLY IN THE DEBATE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID THAT 100 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. WE RATE THAT AS PARTIALLY TRUE, AND HERE IS WHY. IN 2017, THIS WOULD BE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES WHO DULY RELEASED STUDY, FOUND 23% TO 51% OF NON ELDERLY AMERICANS, BENEATH THOSE UNDER THE AGE OF 65, OR 61 MILLION, TO 133 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. THAT'S WHY WE WRITE THAT CLAIM AS PARTIALLY TRUE. ALSO, DURING THE DEBATE, WHEN IT WAS FOCUSED ON COVID-19, THE PRESIDENT SAID, YOUNGER PEOPLE AREN'T VULNERABLE ABOUT THIS. MEANING, VULNERABLE IN EXPOSURE TO COVID-19. THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS HAS SAID, YES, IN FACT, INCIDENCE RATE IS ROW, HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS ARE LOW, BUT THERE STILL INCIDENT RATES, TRANSMISSIBILITY HAS BEEN CONFIRMED, AND SO WE READ THAT AS MISLEADING. THAT THE PRESIDENT CONTENDING THAT CHILDREN SIMPLY AREN'T VULNERABLE TO THE VIRUS, MISLEADING. THE 3RD ONE WE HAVE, NORAH, AND TEAM, IT IS THE PRESIDENT DESERTED THAT DURING THE OBAMA BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, IT PRESIDED OVER THE SOURCED ECONOMIC RECOVERY SINCE 1921. WE WRITE THAT IS FALSE. THE COLUMNIST WILL DIFFERENT ALL SORTS OF THINGS, WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC NUMBERS, BUT IT IS CLEAR TO SAY THAT THE SLOWEST RECOVERY FROM A RECESSION WAS AFTER THE 2001 .COM BUBBLE BURST. AND THAT THE RECOVERY FROM THE GREAT RECESSION, WHILE SLOW, AND BY HISTORIC STANDARDS, NOT NEARLY AS GREAT AS RECOVERIES FROM DEEP RECESSIONS, IT WAS NOT THE SLOWEST RECOVERY SINCE 1929, WHICH IS WHY WE READ IT AS FALSE. >> MAJOR, I HAVE TO ALSO, AFTER ALL THAT FAST-TRACKING, GET YOUR TAKE ON WHAT JUST HAPPENED TONIGHT. >> SO, TO YOUR POINT, NORAH, THE PRESIDENT CLEARLY WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING HE COULD TO GET JOE BIDEN, THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, EITHER OFF HIS GAME, OR DISTRACTED BY HIS MERE PRESENCE. AND I WAS IN CONTACT WITH BIDEN, DEBATE PREP, SPECIALISTS, AND THEY SAID THE BIG CHALLENGE FOR THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT WAS TO NOT TAKE THAT, WAS TO STAY ON POINT. HE TRIED THE BEST HE COULD, BUT HE ALSO GOT PERSONAL IN WAYS THAT I THINK HE PREFERRED HE NOT. >> ALL RIGHT, MAJOR GARRETT, THANK, YOU WE ARE JOINED NOW BY THE PRESIDENT SON, DONALD TRUMP FROM THE DEBATE HALL. DON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FROM JOINING US. WE HAVE WITNESSED THOUGH NATIONAL POLLS FULLEST SEVERAL MONTHS WITH JOE BIDEN AHEAD BY DOUBLE DIGITS, WE SEE IN OHIO NOW THAT JOE BIDEN CLOSING IN ON THE STATE THAT YOUR FATHER WON, HANDLING. WAS THAT PART OFTHE NERVOUSNESS THAT YOU THINK HAPPENED WITH THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT? IS THAT WHAT HE KEPT INTERRUPTING JOE BIDEN, AND ALSO TRYING TO STEAM ROLL THE MODERATOR? >> NO, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS A FIGHTER. HE'S HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HE HAS TAKEN HEAT AND HITS. I MEAN, I KNOW PERSONALLY, RIGHT? YOU KNOW WELL THAT I DID 30 HOURS OF TESTIMONY FOR DOING A FRACTION OF WHAT, LET'S SAY, HUNDRED BIDEN. NOW, THERE'S AN ACTUAL LINK TO RUSSIA. THERE'S ACTUAL LINK TO VLADIMIR PUTIN, TO THE MONEY FROM THE BIDEN FAMILY. >> DON, WHY NOT TALK ABOUT THE POLICIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? PEOPLE ARE HURTING BECAUSE OF CORONAVIRUS, BECAUSE THEIR KIDS AREN'T IN SCHOOL. WE >> WHY WOULD IT HAPPEN TO ONE, SIDE BUT IT'S TOTALLY IGNORED BY THE OTHER? I THINK IT'LL PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE. DONALD TRUMP, YOU TALK ABOUT RACISM, TONIGHT, DOES A BIG TOPIC, DONALD TRUMP DID PRISON REFORM. DONALD TRUMP CREATED OPPORTUNITIES, OWNS DONALD TRUMP TO THE FIRST STEP, BACK WHY DIDN'T JOE BIDEN DOING? I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT IF HE REALLY CARED ABOUT THE ISSUE, THAT AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT, HE WOULD HAVE DONE. IT BUT HE WON'T, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO PANDER. AND HE HAS. 2 AND THAT'S THE REALITY. WHEN I LOOK AT MY, FATHER HE TAKES THAT STANCE BECAUSE HE HASN'T BEEN TREATED FAIRLY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCES ON SIMILAR ISSUES, THE WAY IT'S HANDLED, JOE BIDEN CAN GET AWAY WITH MURDER BECAUSE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA -- >> DON, -- >> THEY HAVE BECOME A MARKETING ARM FOR THE DNC. >> PROUD BOYS IS CONSIDERED A HATE GROUP. YOUR FATHER TOLD THEM TONIGHT THIS, STAND DOWN AND STAND BY. HE DIDN'T JUST CONDEMN WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS, AND WHAT DOES HE MEAN BY STANDBY? >> HE SAID TO STAND DOWN. HE SAID HE'S MORE THAN HAPPY TO CAN THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A MISSPEAK, BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING THEM STAND. DOWN HE IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONDEMN THAT. JOE BIDEN IS ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE CHARLOTTESVILLE, HOAX TAKE A FRAGMENT OF A, QUOTE THE MEDIA RUNS WITH IT AS THOUGH IT'S THE GOSPEL, AND PRETENDS IT'S TRUE. ANYONE WHO'S REASONABLE, ANYONE WHO WATCHES THE ENTIRE THING UNDERSTANDS THAT. >> ARE YOU PROUD OF YOUR DAD'S PERFORMANCE TONIGHT, DON? DON JR.? >> HE IS FIGHTING HARD FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THAT'S WHY HE'S GOTTEN PEACE DEALS DOWN IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THE HOLY GRAIL OF GEOPOLITICAL POLITICS. EVERYONE TALKS, ABOUT IT NO ONE'S DONE IT FOR TRUMP. THAT'S WHY HE'S BEEN ABLE TO PULL US OUT OF ENDLESS WARS. HE DOESN'T JUST GET STEAM ROLLED BY EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIM. THAT'S WHY BIDEN HAS A 47 YEAR RECORD IN D.C. WHERE YOU CAN'T NAME AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. IF JOE BIDEN COULD HAVE FIXED ANYTHING, HE WOULD'VE DONE IT BY NOW. HE WOULD HAVE DONE. IT YOU DON'T WAIT 50 YEARS TO START. WHEN YOU HAVE A MAINSTREAM MEDIA THAT WILL BE YOUR BOOSTERS AND YOUR -- >> WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT POLICIES THAT AFFECT AMERICANS, AND TRUMP JR., THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US. WE WILL HAVE A POLL COMING, UP PLEASE STAY WITH US IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK ONE THIS DEBATE. ALSO IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS, THE REPUBLICAN SIDE PROVIDED DONALD TRUMP JR.. THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE PROVIDED THE DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, KAMALA HARRIS. WE WILL SPEAK WITH HER, RIGHT AFTER THE BREAK. >> WELL, I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE AN ABILITY TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE CANDIDATES, AND I THINK -- TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE CANDIDATES, AND I THINK TONIGHT PROVIDED A CLEAR CONTRAST. ON THE ONE HAND, YOU HAD JOE BIDEN, WHO LOOKED INTO THE CAMERA, WHO SPOKE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CONTINUOUSLY, WHO UNDERSTOOD WHO WAS IMPORTANT ON THAT STAGE, WHICH IS AMERICAN FAMILIES, AND THEN YOU HAD DONALD TRUMP, WHO REALLY, I THINK DENIGRATED THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, MUCH AS HE HAS DONE OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 4 YEARS. >> SENATOR, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT LOOKING RIGHT INTO THE CAMERA. BUT HIS ANSWER ON COURT PACKING, ADDING MORE JUSTICES TO THE, COURT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A STRAIGHT-UP DODGE. WHY WON'T HE TALK ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AND WHAT HE THINKS SHOULD HAPPEN? >> I THINK HE IS VERY, CLEAR JOHN, WHICH IS THAT HE IS FOCUSED, AS WE ALL SHOULD, BE ON THE NEXT 35 DAYS. AND HE IS FOCUSED ON THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE ARE EVEN HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. WE ALL JUST HONORED, AND I WAS THERE WHILE THE GREAT RUTH BADER GINSBURG WAS LYING IN STATE, THE FIRST WOMAN EVER. AND NOW, WE SEE THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER ARE PUSHING THROUGH A NOMINEE WHILE AMERICANS ARE VOTING. WE ARE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT A DEBATE, AS HAS OCCURRED IN THE PAST, ABOUT ELECTION YEARS. WE ARE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT DRING AN ELECTION, ALMOST 1 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE VOTED. THEY ARE TRYING TO RAM THIS NOMINEE THROUGH. IT'S CLEARLY FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES. I THINK JOE WAS RIGHT TO REQUIRE THE DISCUSSION TO BE FOCUSED ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND THE UNFAIRNESS AND HYPOCRISY OF IT. >> SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS, WE ARE OUT OF TIME, BUT THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING WITH YOU AGAIN. COMING UP NEXT, WHO WON THE DEBATE? WE WILL HAVE THE RESULTS FROM OUR CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL. S WE'VE GOT SOME INSTANT ANALYSIS, SO LET'S BRING IN ANTHONY SALVANTO, OUR ELECTIONS AND SURVEYS DIRECTOR. ANTHONY, THE MOMENT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR. WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED? >> HEY, NORAH. INSTANT POLL VIEWERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, LOOK AT THIS BIG NUMBER. THE TONE OF THE DEBATE, 83% THOUGHT IT WAS NEGATIVE. AS FOR WHO WON, WE ASK THAT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE VOTE COMING, IN 48 TO 41 IN FAVOR OF JOE BIDEN. THAT'S BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE CAME AND HAVING ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS. LOOK AT THIS, NORAH. HOW DID THE DEBATE MAKE YOU FEEL? 69% ANNOYED, WAY OUTPACING THE 17% WHO SAID IT MADE THEM FEEL INFORMED. NORAH? >> ANTHONY, THANK YOU. MANY PEOPLE WERE WATCHING THIS DEBATE WITH A PIT IN THEIR STOMACH. AT 2 TIMES I THINK VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN CALLED THE PRESIDENT TO CLOWN INSTEAD OF YOU JUST SHUT UP. DID THIS REALLY, I ASKED THIS QUESTION, SERVE THE VOTER IN TERMS OF A REAL POLICY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ISSUES, AND WHO DID IT ULTIMATELY BENEFIT? >> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK IT SERVED THE VOTERS IN THE SENSE THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS CONSTANTLY INTERRUPTING, AND THEN IT GOT INTO A BIGGER FEST. THE 17% WHO SAID THEY FELT INFORMED ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC, BECAUSE I'M SURPRISED THE NUMBERS THAT HIGH. PART OF THE JOB OF THE PRESIDENT IS TO EXPLAIN COMPLICATED THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND WHY AMERICANS SHOULD FOLLOW THEM AND WHY THERE IS HOPE FOR THE FUTURE. WE DIDN'T GET THAT. >> BUT GAYLE, DID BIDEN COME MORE PREPARED IN SOME WAYS? HE SAID THIS IS NOT ABOUT MY FAMILY OR HIS FAMILY, IT'S ABOUT YOUR FAMILY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> I THOUGHT HE WAS VERY EFFECTIVE SPEAKING INTO THE CAMERA. HE TRIED TO KEEP THINGS ON, TRACKS SAY WHAT HE WANTED TO SAY. I THOUGHT HE MADE A CONNECTION WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> YOUR POINT EARLIER, TO THE EXTENT THERE IS A LONG FIGHT ABOUT HEALTH CARE, THAT BENEFITS JOE BIDEN. >> OUR COVERAGE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WILL ONTINUE ON CBSN AND THERE WILL BE MORE ON YOUR LOCAL NEWS ON THIS CBS STATION AND TOMORROW ON CBS NEWS THIS MORNING. I AM NORAH O'DONNELL FOR CBS NEWS, WASHINGTON. >> HI EVERYONE, I'M ELAINE QUIJANO. THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST 2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN FACED OFF IN CLEVELAND, TUESDAY NIGHT, FOR NEARLY AN HOUR AND A HALF. THE CANDIDATES DID NOT HOLD BACK. FIRST QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE PRESIDENTS SUPREME COURT NOMINEE, BUT THE CONVERSATION QUICKLY TURNED TO A NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES INCLUDING HEALTH CARE, A PORTION, AND BERNIE SANDERS. THOSE IN THE FIRST 10 MINUTES. IF YOU TUNE IN, CROSS TOP MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE MAIN TAKEAWAY. MODERATOR AND FOX NEWS HOST CHRIS WALLACE STOPPED MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THE DEBATE TO REMIND THE CANDIDATES OF THE RULES, SAYING AT ONE POINT, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD BENEFIT FROM UNINTERRUPTED ANSWERS. THE CANDIDATES WERE ASKED ABOUT A RANGE OF CRITICAL ISSUES IMPACTING THE COUNTRY. THAT INCLUDED THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC, THE STRUGGLING ECONOMY, CLIMATE CHANGE, AND RACIAL INJUSTICE. ON THAT NOTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED IF HE WOULD CONDEMN WHITE SUPREMACISTS. INSTEAD, HE DIRECTLY ADDRESSED THE FAR-RIGHT GROUP, THE PROUD BOYS, TELLING THEM TO QUOTE, STAND BACK, AND STAND BY. THAT, ANOTHER MOMENT ARE SURE TO MAKE HEADLINES. HERE'S SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE MISSED. >> WE WON ELECTION, AND THEREFORE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE HER, AND VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOWINGLY WOULD SAY OTHERWISE. >> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY IN WHO THE SUPREME COURT NOMINEE IS. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT CHANCE NOW BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION ALREADY. >> IT'S CHINA'S FAULT, THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. THEY STOPPED FROM GOING IN, BUT IT WAS CHINA'S FAULT. >> YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF YOUR BUNKER, AND GET OUT OF THE SAND TRAP, AND GET OUT OF YOUR GOLF COURSE, AND GO TO THE OVAL OFFICE, AND FREE TO GET THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND FUN WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW TO SAVE LIVES. >> HE WILL SHUT IT DOWN AGAIN. YOU WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING, SOME OF YOUR DEMOCRAT RUNS STATES, WHERE THEY HAD THESE TOUGH SHUTDOWNS, AND I AM TELLING YOU, IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO OPEN IT. >> MISTER PRESIDENT? I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION. WILL YOU TELL US HOW MUCH YOU PAID IN FEDERAL INCOME TAXES IN 2016 AND 2017? >> MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> YOU PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS -- >> MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND IT WILL GET TO SEE IT. AND YOU WILL GET TO SEE IT. >> WHEN? HE TALKS ABOUT THESE GREAT TRADE DEALS. YOU KNOW, HE TALKED ABOUT THE ART OF THE DEAL, CHINA'S MADE, PERFECTED THE ART OF THE STEEL. >> CHINA 8 YOUR LUNCH, JOE, I KNOW ONE, OR YOUR SON GOES IN, AND HE TAKES OUT -- HE TAKES OUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> NONE OF THAT IS TRUE. >> MISTER PRESIDENT -- MISTER PRESIDENT, PLEASE. >> NOT TRUE, NOT TRUE. >> GENTLEMEN! I HATE TO RAISE MY VOICE -- >> REMEMBER THIS WILL LOOK LIKE, COMING OUT OF THE FIELD, CARRYING TORCHES, THEIR VEINS BULGING, SPEWING, JUST SPEWING ANTISEMITIC BILE, AND THEY ASKED THE PRESIDENT HE THOUGHT, THEY SAID THEY WERE VERY FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY THE WORD ON ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE IF YOU SAY THOSE WORDS, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE ALL OF YOUR RADICAL OF SUPPORTERS. >> LOOK, WHAT I SUPPORT IS THE POLICE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS THEY FACE. AND I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO DEFUNDING THE POLICE OFFICERS. >> ARE YOU WILLING, TONIGHT, TO CONDEMN WHITE SUREMACISTS AND MILITIA GROUPS? >> SURE, I WOULD SAY ALMOST OVER THE ICE HE IS FROM THE LEFT WING, NOT FROM THE RIGHT WING. >> WHAT ARE YOU SAYING -- >> I AM WILLING TO DO ANYTHING -- I WANT TO SEE PEACE! >> WELL, THEN DO IT, SIR. >> DO IT, SAY IT. >> DO YOU WANT TO CALL -- THEM WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL THEM? GIVE ME A NAME, GO AHEAD. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CONDEMN. >> PROUD BOYS. >> PROUD VOICE, STAND BACK AND STAND BY. >> WE PLEDGE TONIGHT YOU WILL NOT DECLARE VICTORY UNTIL THE ELECTION HAS BEEN INDEPENDENTLY CERTIFIED? >> I AM URGING MY SUPPORTERS TO GO INTO THE POLLS AND WATCH VERY CAREFULLY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. >> HERE'S THE DEAL, THE FACT IS, I WILL ACCEPT, AND HE WILL TO. YOU KNOW I? BECAUSE ONCE THE WINNER IS DECLARED AFTER ALL THE BALLOTS ARE COUNTED, ALL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED, THAT WILL BE THE END OF IT. >> PERFECT. OKAY. FOR MORE, I AM JOINED BY CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS, NIKOLE KILLION, AND MAJOR GARRETT. CAITLIN IS CBSN POLITICAL REPORTER, AND JOINS US FROM CLEVELAND. NICOLE IS A CBS NEWS WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, AND MAJOR IS CBS NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT. THEY BOTH JOIN US FROM WASHINGTON. ALL RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE WE CAN EXHALE NOW. SO, LET ME START WITH YOU, CAITLIN, BECAUSE YOU ARE THERE IN CLEVELAND. WHAT WERE SOME OF THE BIGGEST THING THAT VOTERS WERE LOOKING FOR FROM BOTH CANDIDATES TONIGHT? WE >> WELL, HEADING INTO TONIGHT, WE KNOW FROM OUR CBS NEWS BATTLEGROUND TRACKER, THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE MADE UP THEIR MINDS, AND WE'RE REALLY TUNING IN, 73%, TUNING IN TO SEE THEIR PREFERRED CANDIDATE. ONLY 6% WERE TUNING IN TO HAVE THEIR VOTE BE PERSUADED, THAT WERE PERSUASIVE VOTERS. I CAN SAY THAT AFTER GOING THROUGH TEXT CHAINS WITH VARIOUS GROUPS OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY, THE CONSENSUS WAS IF WE CAN TALK IN EMOJIS, THE FACE FOR MODI, OR THE KIND OF COURAGE FACE EMOJIS, I THINK BY AND LARGE A LOT OF PEOPLE TUNING IN TONIGHT WERE JUST DISGUSTED BY THE WHOLE PROCESS, COULDN'T HEAR THE CANDIDATES. I DON'T KNOW WHICH VOTERS ARE SERVED BY WHAT WE SAW TONIGHT, AND IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS ABOUT WHO WON THIS DEBATE, OR WHO BENEFITED, I THINK PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE TUNED IT OFF OR TURNED IT OFF EARLY MAY HAVE BEEN THE WINNERS OF TONIGHT. >> YOU KNOW, MAJOR, I WANT TO TURN TO YOU NEXT BECAUSE FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AWARE, YOU HAVE STUDIED DONALD TRUMP, THE CANDIDATE, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO HAS ATTENDED NUMEROUS RALLIES, COUNTLESS RALLIES. YOU ARE ALSO FAMILIAR, OF COURSE, WITH JOE BIDEN. COVERING HIM DURING HIS TIME IN THE SENATE, AS WELL AS IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. SO, BASED ON YOUR OBSERVATIONS, AND YOUR EXPERIENCE COVERING BOTH OF THESE CANDIDATES, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ACTUALLY SAW FROM BOTH MEN ON THAT STAGE TONIGHT? >> SO, FOR THE PRESIDENT, HE DID NOT DO A LOT OF FORMAL DEBATE PREP. IN THE SENSE OF PREPARING FOR ISSUES, AND THEN HAVING REJOINDER. SO HE DID PREPARE FOR, WAS TO TRY TO FORCE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WOULD PREFER NOT TO ANSWER. WHAT SHE MEANT ON ISSUES LIKE, DO YOU SUPPORT THE POLICE? WHO IS BACKING YOU AMONG POLICE? WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT THE OPPOSITION OF THE SUPREME COURT, OR THE FUTURE OF THE FILIBUSTER? THE KRIS WALSH ASKED THAT QUESTION, PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED TO TRY AND FORCE JOE BIDEN TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND ALSO, SECONDARILY, CONSTANTLY TRYING TO KNOCK FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN OFF HIS GAME, BY INTERJECTING REPEATEDLY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A WAY TO MAKE POINTS BUT IT'S A WAY TO KNOCK HER OPPONENT OFF OF HIS GAME. WHAT I SAW FROM VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS SOMETHING THAT IS FAMILIAR IN THE INNER CIRCLE OF PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR JOE BIDEN FOR 3 DECADES OR MORE. IF YOU ALLOW ME, ELAIE, LET ME TELL YOU A QUICK STORY BUT ISN'T RACE IN 1990. IT MATTERS IN THIS CONTEXT. IT WASN'T A CLOSE RACE, BUT IT INITIALLY LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT BE. JANE BRADY WAS A REPUBLICAN RUN AGAINST JOE BIDEN. SHE LATER BECAME ATTORNEY GENERAL IN DELAWARE, AND SIT ON THE BENCH THERE AFTER THAT SUCCESSFUL RUN AS ATTORNEY GENERAL. SHE WAS A NEWCOMER, AND THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WAS SOMEWHAT AFRAID OF DEBATING HER, THINKING SHE MIGHT GET SOME TRACTION. 1990, AFTER JOE BIDEN RAN FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION, 1988, HOW THE WHOLE PLAGIARISM SCANDAL. THERE WERE THINGS TO PICK, AT AND THEY WERE AFRAID OF THAT. SO, THE PREPARATION FOR THAT DEBATE WAS DON'T DEAL WITH HER. THERE IS A LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE, WE OUT ROSEN BOMB. WHAT DID JOE BIDEN DO? HE TALKED ONLY TO THAT LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE, AND THE MODERATOR. HE TRIED HIS LEVEL BEST TO IGNORE WITH THE AGITATOR, THE REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER. I THOUGHT I SAW SOME OF THAT TONIGHT WHERE WE SAW JOE BIDEN TALK TO CHRIS WALLACE, AND TALKED TO CAMERA. TRY AS BEST AS HE COULD NOT TO LET THE PRESIDENT GET IN HIS HEAD, OR NOT COME OFF HIS GAME. SOMETIMES, HE WASN'T SUCCESSFUL AT THAT. BUT I KNOW FROM THE BIDEN DEBATE PREP, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. WE CREATE THAT MOMENT IN 1990 WHERE HE DIDN'T TAKE THE BAIT, HE WAS KNOCKED OFF HIS GAME, AND HE TRIED TO SAY AS CLOSE TO HIS AGENDA ITEMS, AND HIS APPROACH AS HE POSSIBLY COULD. >> NIKOLE, LET ME TURN TO YOU. THIS DEBATE, OF COURSE, TOOK PLACE AGAINST THE BACKDROP, IN THE MIDST OF THIS CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC, WHICH HAS CLAIMED THE LIVES OF MORE THAN 200,000 PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES. I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF SOUND FROM FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF THE PANDEMIC. LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LISTEN. WITH >> WHAT HE WAS PRESENT WITH THAT NUMBER, HE SAID IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE. TAT'S WHY IT IS. THE PRESIDENT HAS NO PLAN. HE HASN'T LAID OUT ANYTHING. HE KNEW ALL THE WAY BACK IN FEBRUARY HOW SERIOUS THIS CRISIS WAS. HE KNEW IT WAS A DEADLY DISEASE. WHAT DID HE DO? HE'S ON TAPE, ACKNOWLEDGING HE KNEW IT. HE SAID HE DIDN'T TELL US OR GIVE PEOPLE A WARNING OF IT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO PANIC THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOU DON'T PANIC, HE PANICKED. I LAID OUT BACK IN MARCH EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. I LAID OUT AGAIN IN JULY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING ALL THE PROTECTIVE GEAR POSSIBLE. WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING THE MONEY THE HOUSE HAS PASSED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND GET PEOPLE TO HELP THE NEED THEY -- OPEN SCHOOLS, THAT COST A LOT OF MONEY. YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF YOUR BUNKER, AND GET OUT OF THE CENTER, UP AND GET IN YOUR GOLF COURSE, AND GO TO THE OVAL OFFICE, AND BRING TOGETHER EVERYONE AND FUN NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW TO SAVE LIVES. >> NICOLE, HOW DID WE SEE PRESIDENT TRUMP DEFEND HIS RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC, AND HOW DOES THAT FIT IN WITH WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT OVER THE COURSE OF THE PANDEMIC? >> WELL, FOR ONE, WE SAW HIM PULL UP HIS MASK, WHICH HE HAS GOTTEN QUESTIONS ABOUT A LOT AS FAR AS HOLDING THESE CAMPAIGN EVENTS WITHOUT BRINGING ALL THESE SUPPORTERS TOGETHER WITHOUT TAKING THE NECESSARY PROTOCOL, AND HE DEFENDED THAT BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FINE, AND YOU KNOW, NO ONE WILL COME TO SEE JOE BIDEN. THEY ARE JUST COMING TO HEAR ME. BUT AS FAR AS THE PANDEMIC RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THE PRESIDENT MAKE AN OFFENSE HE HAS RE-TIME AND AGAIN THAT HE DID ACT, HE DID, YOU KNOW, GET MASKS, AND HE GOT THE GOWNS, AND THEY ARE WORKING ON THERAPEUTICS, AND YOU KNOW HE PRETTY MUCH USED THE MEDIA AS AN OUT, LOOMING MEDIA COVERAGE AS FAR AS THE ONE AREA WHERE HE TELLS THE THINGS HAVE GONE AWRY. BUT YOU KNOW, JOE BIDEN CERTAINLY, FOR A WHILE NOW, HUSBAND ARGUING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS FAILED WHEN IT COMES TO THE PANDEMIC, AND YOU SAW HIM KIND OF LIKE THOSE ARGUMENTS AGAIN IN THAT SOUNDBITE. I THOUGHT PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE PARTS WAS WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN AN EMPTY CHAIR IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD? BECAUSE WE HAVE LOST SOME OF THE COVID. TRYING TO PUT IT IN REAL TERMS, THAT THIS DISEASE IS REAL, AND THAT HE FEELS THE PRESIDENT IS NOT TAKING IT SERIOUSLY. SO, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IN, OUT TO MAJOR'S POINT, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THAT DEBATE PREP, YOU SAW SOME OF THAT COMING INTO PLAY, AS FAR AS HIS RESPONSE, AND KIND OF HAVING THOSE LINES READY TO GO. BUT LOOK, AS FAR AS THE TONE, ALL I CAN SAY IS MY NOTES JUST HAD GUNS BLAZING. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE ARE 5 WEEKS AWAY. THERE'S A LOT ON THE, LINE AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU SAW, YOU KNOW, SUCH AN AGGRESSIVE TONE BY BOTH CANDIDATES TONIGHT. SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME LEFT. WE >> MAJOR, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO IN A FEW MINUTES, SO I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS NEXT QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO. SO, THIS DEBATE CAME DAYS AFTER THIS NEW YORK TIMES REPORT THAT ALLEGES THE PRESIDENT PAID NO INCOME TAX FOR 11 OUT OF 18 YEARS THAT THEY REVIEWED. HOW DID WE SEE -- LET'S GO AHEAD, CONTROL, AND FIRST OF ALL, PLAY THE CLIP WE HAVE ALREADY HERE, BECAUSE THIS WAS A POINT IN THE DEBATE FOR THE PRESIDENTS ASKED DIRECTLY ABOUT HOW MUCH HE HAS PAID IN FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. LET'S LISTEN TO THAT. WE >> NO, MISTER PRESIDENT, I AM ASKING YOU A QUESTION. WILL YOU TELL US HOW MUCH YOU PAID IN FEDERAL INCOME TAXES IN 2016 AND 2017? >> MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> YOU PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? >> MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> NOT 750? >> IT WILL GET TO SEE IT. YOU WILL GET TO SEE. IT >> WHEN? >> CHRIS, LET ME JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING, IT WAS THE TAX LAWS. I DON'T PAY TAX. BEFORE I CAME HERE, I WAS A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, I WAS A PRIVATE BUSINESS PEOPLE. LIKE EVERY OTHER PRIVATE PERSON, UNLESS THEY ARE STUPID, THEY GO THROUGH THE LAWS, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT >> MAJOR, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT ANSWER, AND ALSO THIS STORY? AT THIS, POINT AS WE'VE SAID, OVER AND OVER, PEOPLE HAVE -- A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE THEIR MINDS MADE UP AT THIS POINT. WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF HIS ANSWER, AND WHAT HAVE YOU MADE OF HIS RESPONSE TO THAT STORY? >> THE ANSWER, I PAID MILLIONS IN TAXES HAS A RING OF TRUTH TO IT IN THE SENSE THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION PAID MILLIONS OF FEDERAL TAXES FOR THINGS RELATED TO ITS BUSINESS EFFORTS. YOU PAY PAYROLL TAXES, AND OTHER THINGS. WHAT THE QUESTION WAS TRYING TO DRIVE OUT WAS, WHAT WAS THE PERSONAL TAX PAYMENT FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP. WHEN HE SAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, HE WAS REFERRING TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, NOT TO HIMSELF PERSONALLY. THAT'S THE WAY THAT HIS CAMPAIGN AND THOSE WHO SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF FINANCIALLY HAVE TRIED TO CHARACTERIZE THIS. THE PRESIDENT HAS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE THE NEW YORK TIMES TO BE COMPLETELY WRONG. HE CALLED IT FAKE NEWS ON TWITTER. PROVE IT, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? BY RELEASING THE TAX DOCUMENTS AND SAYING, SEE? YOU MUST READ EVERYTHING. ALL OF THIS IS FALSE, BUT HE WON'T DO THAT. HE KEEPS PROMISING HE WILL, OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY KNOWN AND COME TO KNOW THAT THAT PROMISE CONTINUES AND HAS CONTINUED SINCE 2016, WHEN HE TOLD HILLARY CLINTON, I WILL RELEASE MY TAXES AGAINST THE WILL AND ADVICE OF MY LAWYERS. NEVER HAS DONE THAT. SO, THAT IS HIS RESPONSE ON THE SPECIFIC QUESTION. THE ONE ASPECT OF THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTING, AT THE CBS NEWS HASN'T SEEN THE TAX DOCUMENTS, WE HAVEN'T VERIFIED, IT WE ARE GOING OFF THE ASSERTIONS MADE BY THE NEW YORK TIMES, IS THAT THE STORY OF DONALD TRUMP IS ONE EXTENSIVE BUSINESS EXAGGERATION THAT ONE OF THE REASONS HE DID NOT PAY A LARGE AMOUNT IN PERSONAL TAXES IS BECAUSE HE WAS CONSTANTLY ASSERTING THROUGH TAX DOCUMENTS THAT WERE VERIFIED, APPARENTLY, THAT HE LOST SO MUCH MONEY, HE DIDN'T HAVE A TAX LIABILITY. WHICH MEANS HE IS A TURNING LOSER IN BUSINESS, NOT A TURNING WINNER. FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT MISTAKE IS IMPORTANT TO THEIR SUPPORT FOR DONALD TRUMP, THAT COULD BE SOMEWHAT DESTABILIZING. DO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A WAVE TYPE PROCESS FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS? I DO NOT. I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE BOUGHT INTO THIS, HAVE CONTINUED TO BUY INTO IT, AND ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THEIR CUES FROM THE INVESTIGATIVE TEAM OF THE NEW YORK TIMES. AND WHEN WE HEAR THE PRESIDENT SAY, I PAID GLANCE OF TAXES, THEY SAY, HE PROBABLY DID, AND IF HE DIDN'T, JUST AS HE SAID IN 2016, HE WAS SMART NOT TO. WHAT I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, IS TO SAY, LOOK, THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS SAID I'M VICTORIES ALL THESE TALKS. AS YOU KNOW IT? I AM GLITTERY TAXES ON PEOPLE WHO ARE WEALTHY, AND I'M GLAD HE IS OPPORTUNITY TO REWRITE THE TEXACO TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THESE PROVISIONS THAT ARE UNNECESSARILY, AND UNFAIRLY GENEROUS TO THOSE OF THE UPPER INCOME. HE COULD'VE EASILY SAID THAT, AND MADE A NICE PIVOT OFF OF HIS TAX PLAN, BUT HE DID NOT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WITH. >> ALL RIGHT, MAJOR GATE, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US AT THIS LATE HOUR. CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS, ON TURN BACK TO YOU THERE, IN CLEVELAND. REMIND US OF THE BACKDROP, WE BECAUSE WE SPOKE TO MANY MONTHS AGO ABOUT WHAT DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR IN A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE. IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS VERY MOMENT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU HEARD OVER AND OVER FROM THEM ABOUT THE KINDS OF QUALITIES THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR AS THEY WERE ASSESSING THE CANDIDATES? BECAUSE I KNOW, WE HAVE TALKED WITH US A LOT IN THE PAST, THIS MOMENT AND THESE KINDS OF MOMENTS WERE PRECISELY WHAT PEOPLE WERE FACTORING INTO THEIR ASSESSMENT. >> WE ABSOLUTELY. ONE PRIMARY VOTERS WERE SIZING UP ALL THE CANDIDATES WAY BACK IN 2019, AND THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE PRIMARY, THEY WERE IMAGINING A NIGHT LIKE TONIGHT, WHERE THE CANDIDATE THAT THEY WOULD CHOOSE WOULD HAVE THE CHANCE TO GO TOE TO TOE WITH DONALD TRUMP. BUT WE ALSO HEARD OVER THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN, AND I WANT TO LOTS AND LOTS OF BIDEN EVENTS, FOLLOWED HIM CLOSELY THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF HIS PRIMARY CAMPAIGN, HE HAD THESE MOMENTS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. THEY WERE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN, BUT HE HAD THESE MOMENTS WHERE HE WAS ASKED A QUESTION AND DIDN'T LET THE QUESTION BY A VOTER, AND TOOK THAT VOTER ON. THERE WAS A MOMENT IN IOWA, WHERE I WAS AT A SMALL TOWN HALL, WHEN A VOTER STOOD UP, AND STARTED TO MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HUNTER BIDEN, AND THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT GOT REALLY DEFENSIVE, AND REALLY STARED HIM DOWN. AND WHEN I TALK TO VOTERS AFTER THAT EVENT, AND THAT SUBSEQUENT EVENTS AROUND THE STATE ON THAT SHIP, THEY SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THAT'S THE KIND OF BIDEN THEY WANTED TO SEE, THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE THIS FIGHTER, THAT THEY WANT TO SEE SOMEONE WHO COULD REALLY GO ON THE OFFENSE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. NOW, YOU CAN ARGUE THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT WE ARE SLIMMER THAN YOU MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED, BECAUSE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH PRESIDENT TRUMP CONTINUED AND WAITED A STRATEGY TO CONTINUE TO INTERRUPT, AND KIND OF FLOOD THE ZONE WITH HIS OWN TOP. BUT I THINK THERE WERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT TO REALLY PUNCH BACK, AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE STRATEGY FOR A 2ND DEBATE, IF THERE IS, ONE AFTER ALL OF THIS, THE CANDIDATES, OF COURSE, HAVE AGREED TO 3 DEBATES. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM DEMOCRATS. THEY WANT TO SEE BIDEN PUNCH BACK STRONGER. SO, THAT'S KIND OF -- YOU SOUGHT MOMENTS ABOUT FROM BIDEN TONIGHT. YOU SAW SOME EVIDENCE OF INTENSE PREPARATION. HE DELIVERED LINES THAT YOU CAN TELL WERE INTENDED TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE AUDIENCE AT HOME. IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING WATCHING THE BODY LANGUAGE OF THE 2 CANDIDATES, ONE TRUMP WAS MOSTLY DIRECTING HIS COMMENTS TO THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT. BIDEN WAS DIRECTING HIS COMES DIRECTLY TO THE CAMERA, AND TO VIEWERS AT HOME. THE QUESTION IS, IF THEY STUCK AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THE WHOLE THING. BUT WHAT THESE CAMPAIGNS WANT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IS CLIPS OF THIS THAT ARE DISSEMINATED ACROSS SOCIAL MEDIA, AND INTERNALIZED IN THESE BY SIZED MOMENTS, AND THAT IS CERTAINLY A STRATEGY BY BOTH CAMPAIGNS. >> WE SO, SPEAKING OF CLIPS, CONTROL ROOM, I WANT TO GET READY, IF WE HAVE IT. WE AND ASK NIKOLE ABOUT IT. THIS QUESTION THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKED, NIKOLE, AT ONE POINT, IF YOU WOULD CONDEMN WHITE SUPREMACISTS, AND THE ANSWER CERTAINLY REVERBERATED ON SOCIAL MEDIA WE AS HE SAID. LET'S GO AHEAD AND PLAY NOW, RESPONSE WAS. >> WE I AM WILLING TO DO ANYTHING. OUT TO SEA PACE -- >> THAN DO IT, SIR. >> SAY IT. >> DO YOU WANT TO CALL THEM -- WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL? I'M GIVING HIM, GIVE ME AN. >> WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND -- AUNT RIGHT WHITE PRIDE MILITIA.3 >> STAND BACK, AND STAND BY. BUT I'LL TELL YOU, WHAT I TELL YOU WHAT. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ANTIFA AND THE LEFT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A RIGHT-WING PROBLEM -- >> SO, NICOLE, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS COVERED AND COVERS THE PRESIDENT, WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THAT RESPONSE? BECAUSE, WE COULD HEAR THE PRESIDENT THERE BRING UP THE NAME OF THE PROUD BOYS, WHICH IS AN EXTREMIST -- CONSIDERED AN EXTREMIST ORGANIZATION. >> WELL, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT BEFORE WE HAD THE SHOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD SOME DEBATE ANALYSIS ON OUR BROADER NETWORK, AND I KNOW WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK DONALD TRUMP JR. ABOUT IT, I BELIEVE, NORAH O'DONNELL AND JOHN DICKERSON DID. SO, WHAT HE SEEMED TO SUGGEST WAS THAT HIS FATHER MAY HAVE MISSPOKE, OR HE WASN'T EXACTLY SURE WHAT HIS FATHER MEANT. SO, REALLY, I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW WHAT HE MEANT IS TO ASK HIM DIRECTLY WHICH I'M SURE HE WILL BE ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF NOT TONIGHT, CERTAINLY TOMORROW. BUT THAT BEING SAID, IT DOES GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PREMISE OF HOW THAT SEGMENT AND CONVERSATION STARTED, WHICH WENT BACK TO CHARLOTTESVILLE, AND THAT MOMENT WHERE THE PRESIDENT SAID THEY WERE VERY FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. SO, YOU KNOW, JOE BIDEN WENT BACK TO WHAT HE SAID TIME IT AGAIN AS FAR AS THAT WAS A REASON WHY HE GOT INTO THIS RACE, AND REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, NO PRESIDENT WOULD SAY THEY ARE FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES, WHEN HE HAD A WHITE SUPREMACIST AT, YOU KNOW, IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING BACK SOME OF THOSE IMAGES THAT WERE VERY DIFFICULT TO WATCH AT THE TIME. SO, IT GOES BACK TO HIS ARGUMENT THAT HE BELIEVES THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO SEND THESE DOG WHISTLES TO VARIOUS GROUPS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AGAIN, YOU, KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS A DIRECT APPEAL. AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT'S ON THE WOULD HAVE TO PUT TO THE PRESIDENT AND PUT TO THE WHITE HOUSE, AND PUT TO THE CAMPAIGN. AS I, MENTIONED AS FAR AS THE PRESIDENT'S SONS RESPONSE TO THIS TONIGHT, HE SEEMED TO SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS THE PRESIDENT MISSPOKE. >> ALL RIGHT. KILLING HUEY-BURNS, AND NIKOLE KILLION. A LOT TO SORT THROUGH TONIGHT. THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR HELPING US GET THROUGH AT LEAST SOME OF IT. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND THE LATEST CBS NEWS BATTLEGROUND TRACKER POLL SHOWS HOW AMERICANS ARE RESPONDING TO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. CBS NEWS ELECTIONS AND SURVEYS DIRECTOR AT LEAST SALVANTO JOINS ME NOW. HI THERE, ANTHONY. GOOD TO SEE YOU. ACCORDING TO THE VIEWERS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH, WHAT DO THEY THINK IN TERMS OF WHO WON THIS FIRST DEBATE? >> I WILL SHOW YOU THIS FIRST BIG NUMBER THAT JUMPED OUT AT ALL OF US, ELAINE. WE ASKED ABOUT THE TONE OF THE DEBATE, AND LOOK AT THIS, 83% FELT THE TONE WAS NEGATIVE. OKAY? THAT'S WHAT REALLY CAME ACROSS, AND THEN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHO WON? WE FOLLOWED THAT UP IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THE VOTE, 48, 41, JOE BIDEN, YOU KNOW. WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING HERE IS THAT WE KNEW THAT PEOPLE WERE COMING IN, HAVING ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS. WE KNEW WHEN WE TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE IN ADVANCE OF THE DEBATE, THAT THEY WERE WATCHING TO SEE HOW WELL THEIR CANDIDATES DID, AND IT WAS IN A RULING SENSE, SO YOU'RE NOT A SURPRISE, BUT THEN IT BREAKS ABOUT THE WAY THE NATIONAL VOTE DOES, BUT IT'S REALLY THAT EFFECT THAT STRUCK ME. I MEAN, LOOK AT THIS, HOW DID THE DEBATE MAKE YOU FEEL? AND 69% SAID ANNOYED. WAY MORE SAID ENTERTAIN, AND LOOK DOWN HERE, THIS NUMBER 4 INFORMED, IF OSTENSIBLY THE DEBATES ARE SUPPOSED TO TEACH US ABOUT THE CANDIDATES. OH, ONLY 70% SAID THAT IT DID THAT. >> I THINK IT WAS JOHN DICKERSON THAT SAID, DURING THE NETWORK COVERAGE, THAT SEEM TIED TO HIM. >> RIGHT, I WILL HAVE SOME -- AND SEE WHO THAT IS. >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS MORE CLOSELY. DID THE DEBATE MAKE WATCHERS MORE LIKELY TO CONSIDER ONE CANDIDATE OVER THE OTHER, ANTHONY? >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THIS MOVE THINGS, OR SHOULD I SAY, HOW IT DID MOVE USE OF THE CANDIDATES. CANDIDATE QUALITIES FOR DONALD TRUMP, LOOK AT THIS. PREET ABATE, THAT HE CARES ABOUT PEOPLE ACUTE, 46, AND AFTERWARDS, 46. RIGHT? TO MOVE MUCH. WE KNOW MOVEMENT ON WHETHER PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WAS HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY. REALLY NOW MOVEMENT ON WHETHER PEOPLE THOUGHT HE HAD THE STAMINA FOR THE JOB. ALL THINGS WE ASKED ABOUT, WAITING FOR A MOVEMENT, SOMETIMES IN DEBATES, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MOVE, PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR OPINIONS OF THE CHARACTERISTICS, OF THE CANDIDATE, NOT SO MUCH HERE, AND I DO THE SAME THING FOR YOU WITH JOE BIDEN. JESSICA ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU? WELL, 30% SUGGEST COMING IN, 55, NOT MUCH MOVEMENT, AND SAME DEAL ON HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY AND SOUND OVER THE JOB. ALL IN ALL, VERY LOCKED IN, PEOPLE NOT FEELING LIKE THEY GOT A LOT OUT OF IT, AND NOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT ON BECAUSE OF THE CANDIDATES. 2 MORE. SO, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> VERY QUICKLY, BEFORE YOU GO, NUMBERS SO QUICKLY FOLLOWING THE DEBATE? WHAT IS THE PROCESS? >> GREAT QUESTION. SO, WE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE IN OUR POLLING, AND WE ASKED THEM IF THEY ARE PLANNING TO WATCH THE DEBATE. IF THEY ARE, THEN WE TELL THEM, OKAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A SURVEY RIGHT AFTER THE DEBATE, AND WE DO THAT WITH A NATIONALLY REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF WATCHERS. SO IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE PEOPLE NATIONWIDE WHO ARE PLANNING TO WATCH THE DEBATE. AND THEN WE INSTANTLY CONTACT THEM RIGHT AFTER IT'S DONE, AND THEY CAN DO IT ELECTRONICALLY, THEY CAN BE SENT ME, NOW THEY GET REMINDED TO TAKE IT, AND THAT WE PROCESS THAT VERY QUICKLY, AND TRY TO PUT IT OUT AS AN INSTANT REACTION BY 11 O'CLOCK. IT TAKES A VICTIM OF PEOPLE, OUR PARTNERS AT YOU HAVE WHO WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS TO PUT IT TOGETHER. >> ALL RIGHT, WELL, ANNOYED, THAT'S MY TAKEAWAY. (LAUGHS) ANTHONY SALVANTO, IT IS NEVER ANNOYING TO HAVE YOU, THE. THANK YOU SO, MUCH I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> AND A REMINDER, OUR GREAT COVERAGE WILL CONTINUE ON WEDNESDAY STARTING AT 9 AM RIGHT HERE ON CBSN. AND IF YOU MISSED THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, OR AN EPISODE OF RED AND BLUE, YOU CAN CATCH UP AND STREAM ANY OF OUR EARLIER CLIPS ON CBS NEWS WEBSITE, JUST HAD TO CBSNEWS.COM, SLASH RED AND BLUE. AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. BUT WE'VE GOT THE REST OF YOUR DAY'S NEWS AHEAD. 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Almost as racist as Elizabeth Warren claiming to be Native American to advance her career...almost.
I loved Biden in this debate, but Trump calling her Pocahantas is as much of a joke as her claiming she is 1% Native American and bragging about it.
As an Indigenous person it is far more offensive to pretend to be Native American like Elizabeth Warren did. So yeah your “racist nickname” concern isn’t working. Sorry!
I noticed this during the debate, but didn't quite comprehend the reference. Good catch. What a pig.
The only thing to take from this is that trump is a racist. And he proved it that night.